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Speaker 1: And what's so, guys.
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Speaker 2: This is Dante Hall akad X Factor, aka the Human Joystick,
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Speaker 2: And this is the NFL Report. Yes, we are here
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Speaker 2: at the NFL Report. We know who is going to
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Speaker 2: be in the Super Bowl. James Palmer, it will be
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs, it will be the forty nine ers. And
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Speaker 2: we have a loaded show today. We have Omar Ruiz,
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Speaker 2: who will be at the Niners facility. He was at
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Speaker 2: the NFC Championship. Sherry Burris, who was with you in
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Speaker 2: Baltimore for the AFC Championship. She'll be here Mark Ross
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Speaker 2: talking to some big picture stuff. But before we get
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Speaker 2: to any of that, JP, you had the viral moment
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Speaker 2: of the weekend. Let's take a look at this video.
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Speaker 2: And then you were gonna tell us all the deats
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Speaker 2: behind it.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Steve, this was pregame here at M and T
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Speaker 3: Bank Stadium. And listen, this is Travis Kelcey telling maybe
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Speaker 3: the greatest kicker of all time, justin Tucker, I don't
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Speaker 3: want you to be one up around my quarterback Patrick Mahomes. Now,
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Speaker 3: some people say that this was playful. I was there
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Speaker 3: to witness this, and I talked to a number of
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Speaker 3: people afterwards that were involved. There was nothing playful about this.
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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey was lit Steve. He was angry at Justin Tucker.
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Speaker 3: Same with Patrick Mahomes. Him and Tucker actually had words.
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Speaker 3: And this is what I was told by people that
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Speaker 3: have played on other teams that have faced the Ravens
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Speaker 3: this year. Tucker does this to get under the skin,
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Speaker 3: warming up in the end zone of the opposing team
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Speaker 3: and then warming up in their way in a sense,
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Speaker 3: to play maybe a head game, I was told. I
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Speaker 3: was told Steve, they asked him to move and to
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Speaker 3: just be a you know what, Justin Tucker moved his
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Speaker 3: ball over quote one inch to the left. That was it,
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Speaker 3: and that set this team off even further. And I
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Speaker 3: was told in the Chiefs postgame locker room they poked
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Speaker 3: the bear pregame and we knew he had an advantage
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Speaker 3: prior to the start of this game. It was it
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Speaker 3: was something to see.
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Speaker 4: Who knew.
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Speaker 2: Everyone thought there was some playful little stuff here, but
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Speaker 2: Justin Tucker played the goon and poked the bear.
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Speaker 4: Jp'na. We're gonna talk about more about that later. We're
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Speaker 4: gonna get to the ANFC Championship later.
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Speaker 2: But let's get to this NFC Championship game that we
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Speaker 2: saw in the evening game. And let's get to the
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Speaker 2: bigger news segment of the forty nine ers victory. Was
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Speaker 2: it really a rally for the forty nine ers JP
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Speaker 2: or was it a lion's epic collapse.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it was a rally, and I'm saying
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Speaker 3: this is the bigger news because we saw two things happen. One,
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Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan was able to get over the hump in
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Speaker 3: terms of everybody bringing up these fourth quarter stats.
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Speaker 1: He's now done it two weeks in a row.
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Speaker 3: It was what oh to thirty in his career going
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Speaker 3: into the fourth quarter down seven, at least he was
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Speaker 3: one and thirty after last week, they go and do
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Speaker 3: this this week, coming back and scoring twenty seven unanswered.
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Speaker 3: The second part of it is that man, right there,
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Speaker 3: brock Perdy really just eliminating in an NFC Championship game
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Speaker 3: in his second NFL season. Steve, I am not a
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Speaker 3: game manager. I remember going back to his rookie year
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Speaker 3: having a lengthy conversation with Kyle Uschek, who told me,
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Speaker 3: this is a better athlete than people think, This is
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Speaker 3: a better competitor than people think.
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Speaker 1: And you saw both of those things happen in this
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Let's just say it. He won this game,
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Speaker 1: Steve with his legs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, multiple times he saw his first read maybe second
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Speaker 3: read gone and took off with the football. And Uschek
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Speaker 3: told me he is faster and more athletic than people think.
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Speaker 3: It's probably another one of those things to where people
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Speaker 3: are just assuming, they're assuming he's the game manager until
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Speaker 3: they play against him, Uschek told me, And then you
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Speaker 3: realize he's a little more elusive, a little bit quicker,
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Speaker 3: and his mind is so good. He plays angles, he
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Speaker 3: knows where he's going. We saw him take his game
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Speaker 3: to another level one hundred and forty quarterback rating in
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Speaker 3: the third quarter. He was electric in the second half.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's your guy, Steve H.
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Speaker 2: I feel so much better today about my guy, the
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Speaker 2: real MVP, Real MVP rock Perty. Let's recast the vote
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Speaker 2: the real MVP.
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Speaker 4: Look, here's here's why. I mean.
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Speaker 2: As great as Rock Party was in as many points
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Speaker 2: as the Niners were able to rally from behind, they
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Speaker 2: were down by seventeen, they came back to win. They
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Speaker 2: did it JP because of their defense. They denied the
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Speaker 2: Lions in the second half until the waning moments and
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Speaker 2: the way that they played and look at some of this.
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Speaker 2: In the first half, we saw Detroit rush for one
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty eight yards. It finished with one hundred
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Speaker 2: and eighty two. They stopped the run game. They shut
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Speaker 2: it down aman Ros Saint Brown, who was carving him
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Speaker 2: up in the first half to count of two second
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Speaker 2: half catches. If it weren't the player of their defense,
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Speaker 2: Tayshawn Gibson stripping the ball from Jamior Gibbs who does
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Speaker 2: not fumble up deep in Alliance territory, which set up
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Speaker 2: the touchdown for CMC to tie this game. It was
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Speaker 2: the defense to me that really rallied to get the
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Speaker 2: Niners back and give the ball back to the real MVPGP.
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Speaker 1: I love that. See, we have to real quick.
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Speaker 3: Let's I want your take on the Lion's side of
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Speaker 3: things before we move on to the AFC Championship game.
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Speaker 3: What did you think about what transpired in the second half.
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Speaker 3: Obviously everybody's talking about the two fourth down that were
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Speaker 3: not converted by Dan Campbell.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was annoyed by the second one.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they played it safe to position
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Speaker 2: themselves to remain in field goal position, right Jared Goff
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Speaker 2: on the third down, check it down underneath it was
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Speaker 2: like fourth and four, very manageable field goal distance. And
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Speaker 2: that's where you have to get the points to try
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Speaker 2: or at least try to get the points to tie
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Speaker 2: it because your team is reeling. I mean, that stadium
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Speaker 2: has all the energy in the Niners way. If you
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Speaker 2: level the playing field, you get it to twenty seven
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Speaker 2: twenty seven, then all of a sudden, your team you
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Speaker 2: can come to the side and say, okay, we're all
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Speaker 2: at zero's. It is a new start. But you know,
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Speaker 2: here's the other thing we could complain about the Dan
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Speaker 2: Campbell not going for the field goal, but a couple
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Speaker 2: of players make some of the plays, like you intercept
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Speaker 2: the ball that brock perty through, that bombsed off the
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Speaker 2: DB's hand, that Brandon Iu catches. We're gonna talk to
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Speaker 2: Omar Ruiz about this later. That you know that cheange
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Speaker 2: is the game, there's a couple of things that players
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Speaker 2: could have done too. So as much as we're banging
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Speaker 2: on Dan Campbell and I am banging on him for
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Speaker 2: not trying that field goal, make a couple of plays
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Speaker 2: and't you wouldn't be in that situation.
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Speaker 1: You're exactly right, Steve.
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Speaker 3: If Reynolds catches the first fourth down attempt, they're probably
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Speaker 3: not going for it on that second one that you
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Speaker 3: talked about being upset with if they would have converted
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Speaker 3: the first and maybe we're looking at Dan Campbell completely different.
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Speaker 1: On this day. We overanalyze everything.
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Speaker 3: And then the second part is they went an NFL
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Speaker 3: high twenty three times for it on fourth down with
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Speaker 3: two or three yards over the last two seasons. Heading
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Speaker 3: into this game, they had a seventy percent completion or
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Speaker 3: percentage essentially to convert that well between forty five and
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Speaker 3: fifty yards at Levi Stadium over the last five seasons,
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Speaker 3: it's about a seventy three percent chance you're gonna convert
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Speaker 3: that kick.
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Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of faith in their kicker.
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Speaker 3: It's almost a wash, and you stick with maybe what
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Speaker 3: you've been doing over the last two seasons. I'm not
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Speaker 3: upset with Dan Campbell really when I look at the
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Speaker 3: analytics of it, Steve, I really am not.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this is a dupe team are scared of.
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Speaker 3: The scared of the elements out there. Maybe at Levi
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Speaker 3: don't I don't know. Let's get to the AFC Title
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Speaker 3: Game and I had a chance to catch up with
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Speaker 3: the man who's just building a legacy that is unlike
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Speaker 3: any other. Patrick Mahomes after he won in his sixth
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Speaker 3: attempt at the AFC Championship Game, I was told by
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Speaker 3: multiple people in your building, you or a man possessed
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Speaker 3: this week.
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Speaker 1: What is it like going to win this game on
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Speaker 1: the road this time? Yeah?
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Speaker 5: No, it was.
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Speaker 6: It was unreal.
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Speaker 5: I mean that's a great football team every single aspect,
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Speaker 5: and our guy stepped up to the challenge. A fun year,
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Speaker 5: I mean, a lot of adversity we've battled through. We're
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Speaker 5: not done yet. You know we're gonna We're gonna carry
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Speaker 5: this momentuments to this super Bowl and try to go
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Speaker 5: win that thing.
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Speaker 3: You've been through a lot this year, but it was
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Speaker 3: old Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes today.
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Speaker 1: What works so well between the two years.
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Speaker 5: Yeah no, I mean I know he's gonna show up.
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Speaker 3: He always does.
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Speaker 5: When the light skined brighter, he plays better. So I'm
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Speaker 5: gonna trust him at all times and we'll throw it
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Speaker 5: to him.
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Speaker 1: Went on one matchups and he make plays happen. All right,
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Speaker 1: Go join this.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you Brough, good job talking to Patrick Mahomes
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Speaker 2: who's going to his fourth super Bowl in the past
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Speaker 2: five years.
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Speaker 4: JP. That's insane, So bigger news.
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Speaker 2: Let's get here, the Kansas City Chiefs doing what they
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Speaker 2: do and getting to the super Bowl, or the Baltimore
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Speaker 2: Ravens blowing this opportunity being the top seed.
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Speaker 3: Steve, It's the Kansas City Chiefs because what Patrick Mahoons
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Speaker 3: is doing is he is joining rarefied air.
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Speaker 1: Here.
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Speaker 3: He is putting himself in the Tom Brady conversation as
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Speaker 3: the greatest of all time and.
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Speaker 1: He's twenty eight years old.
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Speaker 3: I think that's why this is a bigger deal because
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Speaker 3: he is doing something we just have never seen before
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Speaker 3: outside of Tom Brady. And what we saw was a season,
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Speaker 3: as you heard him say there, it didn't go the
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Speaker 3: way that they planned. And this is kind of Steve,
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Speaker 3: I'm making that comparison because how many times did we
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Speaker 3: hear during the regular season this Patriots team just isn't it,
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Speaker 3: This isn't it. And then once again the postseason hits
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Speaker 3: and there goes Brady, there goes Gronk, there goes that group,
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Speaker 3: and now once again, here goes Patrick Mahomes, Here goes
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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey. I had a chance to stand there right
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Speaker 3: next to Jason and Travis Kelcey as they embraced and
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Speaker 3: Travis got emotional Steve on the field, as Jason told him,
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Speaker 3: I know how hard this year was for you.
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Speaker 1: I know how much of a battle it was for you.
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Speaker 3: Because if you ask anyone in the NFL, Travis Kelcey
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Speaker 3: has lost a step at thirty four. He is not
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Speaker 3: getting open as frequently as he does in the past.
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Speaker 3: He is a surefire Hall of Famer. But what have
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Speaker 3: we seen these last three games? It has been Travis
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Speaker 3: kelce of old. He has dug deep. The competitive nature
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Speaker 3: of both of those guys to will this team into
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Speaker 3: a super Bowl is the bigger news.
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Speaker 4: Yea, Look and look, let's get some credits to that defense.
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Speaker 4: I mean, hell, the Ravens are ten points, stone.
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Speaker 2: Cold Jawings and George car Laftis were insane, and Lagerius
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Speaker 2: Sneed remains the best player that we continue not to
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Speaker 2: talk about. But the bigger, bigger news is the Baltimore
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Speaker 2: Ravens taking the LJP. I'm giving all due respect to
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs. I mean, they all due respect, but this
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Speaker 2: was the number one seed. This was a team that
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Speaker 2: was kicking the holy hell out of every team they played.
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Speaker 2: They were winning bout eighteen points a game since December,
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Speaker 2: and they got the Yips. There's no other way to
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Speaker 2: put Lamar Jackson did not play Yips. The Yips in
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Speaker 2: the big moment. They did not make the plays. Lamar Jackson.
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Speaker 2: We talked about brock perty pulling it down and running
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Speaker 2: with it. There were so many opportunities for Lamar to
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Speaker 2: do that in the second half of that game, when
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs were dropping seven or eight, only rushing three
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Speaker 2: or four, run the ball be Lamar, But instead he
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Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I'm just gonna sit here and I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna play quarterback. I'm gonna hey man, sometimes this is it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is one and done. You have to play.
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Speaker 2: You had the bad interception in the end zone and
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Speaker 2: the z A Flowers play. This is one where as
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Speaker 2: much as people are putting on Jay Flowers, Lugerius Sneed
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Speaker 2: made the play of the weekend.
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Speaker 4: If you want to believe play of this.
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Speaker 2: He comes from eight yards away off of a block
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Speaker 2: to get there and punch that ball out in the
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Speaker 2: end zone. Those are some game changing plays right there.
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Speaker 2: But the fact that the Baltimore Ravens, and we're gonna
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Speaker 2: talk to Mark Ross about this later, dominated the way
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Speaker 2: that they did changed the offense to be more efficient,
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Speaker 2: and it was and they still didn't get over the
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Speaker 2: Now it's a huge up the Kansas City Chiefs, who.
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Speaker 4: Showed to be the man. You gotta beat the man,
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Speaker 4: and you couldn't beat the man.
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Speaker 2: We're left with the Ravens not being the man and
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Speaker 2: the rest of the AFC looks like it's gonna be
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Speaker 2: getting better.
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Speaker 4: So a blown opportunity. JP, Hey, JP, you know what.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk a little bit more about the real
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Speaker 2: MVP coming up shortly.
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Speaker 4: Omar Ruiz he is still in Santa Clara as go
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Speaker 4: big party. He isn't irrelevant anymore.
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Speaker 2: Omar is next after the break on the NFL Report
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Speaker 2: to chat up the NFC chance.
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Speaker 6: Play after play after play in the second half.
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Speaker 4: You delivered with your arm, you delivered with your legs.
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Speaker 7: How would you describe what happened there?
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Speaker 8: And they come back man down seventeen and a half. Uh,
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Speaker 8: you know, our whole team is just you gotta find
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Speaker 8: a way, you know, our seasons online. Obviously, the first
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Speaker 8: halt performance was tough, and so we were like, you
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Speaker 8: know what, backs against the wall, Let's just go. Let's
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Speaker 8: try to get some momento role and get some points
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Speaker 8: up on the board. So we're able to find a way.
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Speaker 1: That's our own.
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Speaker 3: Omar Ruiz with Brock Purty, Steve's MVP of the season,
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Speaker 3: and now Omar joins us still in Santa Clara. He's
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Speaker 3: declaring residency there in that area. He's been with the
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Speaker 3: Niners for so long. Oh thanks for joining us. And
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Speaker 3: we have to start with the man, Steve's guy right there,
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Speaker 3: Brock party right out of the jump. Outside of what
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Speaker 3: we just saw there, what did we hear from his teammates,
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Speaker 3: his head coach about what he did in the second
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Speaker 3: half and maybe a stigma that was just eliminated, possibly
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Speaker 3: as he heads to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think it matched the conviction that they have
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Speaker 7: spoken with about Brock Purty all year long, that he
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Speaker 7: is a playmaker, that he is a game changer, that
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Speaker 7: he can ad lib plays and make the off scripted plays,
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Speaker 7: and he did it on the biggest stage that he
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Speaker 7: has ever been on, in this NFC Championship game. He
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Speaker 7: did it when they were down twenty four to seven
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Speaker 7: and help lead this forty nine Er comeback.
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Speaker 1: Now, the forty nine.
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Speaker 7: Ers teammates in the locker room about brock Purty, they've
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Speaker 7: been tired of having that conversation for weeks now about
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Speaker 7: brock Purty. But I think they had expressed Trent Williams
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Speaker 7: earlier in the week Juwan Jennings to me after the game,
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Speaker 7: how proud they were of brock Purdy because he puts
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Speaker 7: his head down, he works. They expected him to deliver
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Speaker 7: in this way after that subpart performance against the Packers,
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Speaker 7: and he did that. So it validated all the positivity,
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Speaker 7: all the belief that they've had in him for him
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Speaker 7: to deliver again with his legs those two twenty one
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Speaker 7: yard runs and the game changing fifty one yard deflection
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Speaker 7: to Brandon Ayuk. Sometimes you have to get good bounces.
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Speaker 7: Sometimes you create your own good fortune. The forty nine
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Speaker 7: ers did that pretty certainly did that in the second half.
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Speaker 1: They're leading that comeback. Ye Omar.
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Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of talking about some quarterbacks.
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Speaker 2: I mean Ben Roethlisberger, and I'm not comparing party to
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Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger, but who may not play well in a half,
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Speaker 2: and they come back and they deliver when they have to.
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Speaker 2: And that's what Rock Party has done two straight weeks. Okay,
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Speaker 2: you just talked about that deflected pass that Party threw
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Speaker 2: up and that Brandon Ayuk caught at about the three
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Speaker 2: yard line on the tip. They eventually go win the
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Speaker 2: score to Pool within seven. That was the play of
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Speaker 2: the game offensively for them.
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Speaker 4: Wilmar, What was the.
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Speaker 2: Discussion in the Niners locker room about that play and
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Speaker 2: how important that was in getting them this dub.
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Speaker 7: It was all about the momentum that they took from
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Speaker 7: that and several players talked about the momentum not just
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Speaker 7: from that play, but then the next possession for the Lions,
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Speaker 7: the foam bole that they recovered that would help set
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Speaker 7: up the game tying score. But it was that IU
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Speaker 7: play that was just so remarkable. And you talk about
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Speaker 7: the bounces that the forty nine ers were not getting
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Speaker 7: in the first half, Well, that started to turn the.
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Speaker 1: Tide with that IU play. What else turned the tide?
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Speaker 7: How about that defense coming with the physicality, the aggressiveness.
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Speaker 7: In talking to Steve Wilks after the game, I asked
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Speaker 7: him what changed for your group and he said it
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Speaker 7: was nothing miraculous. He said, they played a little bit
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Speaker 7: more man there in the second half, but that defensive
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Speaker 7: line started to play up front to their reputation, and
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Speaker 7: that allowed the linebackers like Fred Warner and Drake Greenlaw
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Speaker 7: to get downhill and really attack that run and stop
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Speaker 7: them in a way that they couldn't in the first half.
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Speaker 7: And I even asked Fred Warner because they knew coming
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Speaker 7: into this game, and there was a discussion that we
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Speaker 7: had last week. It was a very subtle thing in
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Speaker 7: hearing the forty nine ers players speak about the Detroit Lions.
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Speaker 7: They were saying that they were going to have to
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Speaker 7: match the physicality and aggressiveness of those Lions. So they
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Speaker 7: had the respect, they had the attention of the Lions
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Speaker 7: did of the forty nine ers, But you had always
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Speaker 7: heard the forty nine ers say, Okay, teams are going
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Speaker 7: to have to come in here and match our physicality.
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Speaker 1: So it was just a subtle little thing that I heard.
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Speaker 7: So they knew that Detroit was going to come in
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Speaker 7: here and try to play smash mouth, and they did so.
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Speaker 7: Getting back to the conversation with Fred Warner, he said,
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Speaker 7: I don't know why it took for the second half
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Speaker 7: to deliver. They said there was no raw, raw discussions
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Speaker 7: in the locker room at halftime, but Chase Young told
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Speaker 7: me that they were just shouting out, Okay, what do
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Speaker 7: we need to fix and some of the things that
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Speaker 7: came up where you got to run to the football
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Speaker 7: when the play comes to you got to make it.
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Speaker 7: Everybody has to finish at the football. And so that
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Speaker 7: style of aggressiveness, the physicality that they had been known
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Speaker 7: for finally started to show up and that helped turn
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Speaker 7: the tide as well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're talking about it ollmore with that defensive line.
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Speaker 3: Let's just talk about where those guys were drafted, what
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Speaker 3: some of them been paid over the last couple of years,
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Speaker 3: and we've been kind of wondering if they were going
17:04
Speaker 3: to play up to those type of reputations.
17:07
Speaker 1: As you mentioned it, Let's go to the.
17:09
Speaker 3: Physicality aspect of it that you brought up, because what
17:12
Speaker 3: I thought really stood out to me guys in this
17:14
Speaker 3: game is that even when the run game wasn't working
17:17
Speaker 3: and you were seeing Christian McCaffrey fighting for two three
17:21
Speaker 3: yards at times, that Kyle Shanahan omar stuck with the
17:25
Speaker 3: run and that he still tried to remain as balanced
17:28
Speaker 3: as he could while they were down in the second half.
17:30
Speaker 3: Steem's very happy about it, apparently that they were able
17:32
Speaker 3: to make sure they didn't abandon the run because there's
17:34
Speaker 3: still were the opportunities and you saw it where then
17:37
Speaker 3: they'd pop one once in a while. And the persistence
17:40
Speaker 3: of that in the second half. What did you hear
17:43
Speaker 3: in the locker room about them being able to try
17:45
Speaker 3: to still remain balanced in the second half and the
17:47
Speaker 3: importance of that, especially as you're heading into the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 7: Well, that's the hallmark of the Kyle Shanahan offense, the
17:54
Speaker 7: persistence to stay on the ground and how that opens
17:58
Speaker 7: everything up in the offense, in the miss direction and
18:03
Speaker 7: the motion and all of that because of the success
18:05
Speaker 7: that they have on the ground game and sticking to it.
18:07
Speaker 7: But I think, you know, when they're down seventeen points
18:10
Speaker 7: at the half, you start to think, Okay, they're going
18:12
Speaker 7: to open it up and they're going to you know,
18:13
Speaker 7: try to get in a shootout here. But that wasn't
18:15
Speaker 7: the case. And I think that speaks to the bigger
18:17
Speaker 7: picture about how this forty nine Ers team just didn't
18:19
Speaker 7: panic that they're Like again, there were no raw ross
18:22
Speaker 7: speeches in the locker room. It was just a committed
18:25
Speaker 7: decision to play more physically and to stick to who
18:28
Speaker 7: they are, to what they are and to what got
18:30
Speaker 7: them here, and to not abandon the run and to
18:33
Speaker 7: play that physical style of football and follow Christian McCaffrey
18:36
Speaker 7: and Trent Williams and Deebo Samuel and the rest in
18:39
Speaker 7: that second half. So is this a commitment, a reaffirmation
18:42
Speaker 7: of who they are, of what they've built here and
18:45
Speaker 7: they delivered when they needed it at most. And I
18:47
Speaker 7: think that's where maybe the experience showed up of being
18:51
Speaker 7: in their fourth NFC Championship game in five years, to
18:54
Speaker 7: have that conviction to still play their style of football.
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Speaker 1: And not to abandon what got them here.
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Speaker 7: And I think it speaks to what they've said all
19:03
Speaker 7: year long in that they felt that they needed you
19:07
Speaker 7: know that number one. See, they wanted to play the
19:09
Speaker 7: NFC Championship game at home. They felt that last year
19:12
Speaker 7: in Philadelphia, had they had brock Prudy, they you know,
19:15
Speaker 7: the outcome might have been different.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we saw.
19:17
Speaker 7: Brock Prudy was the difference maker there in the second
19:20
Speaker 7: half that Levi Stadium crowd was rocking to help rally
19:23
Speaker 7: that team in the second half, and and here we
19:25
Speaker 7: are again another Chiefs forty nine Ers Super Bowl four
19:28
Speaker 7: years later.
19:29
Speaker 2: Quickly, Omar, were there people in the niners locker room
19:32
Speaker 2: trying to get Dan Campbell's address to mail him a
19:35
Speaker 2: Christmas card for not kicking the field goal and going
19:38
Speaker 2: forward on fourth down as many times as he did.
19:42
Speaker 7: If you guys remember last yeah, last week against green Bay,
19:47
Speaker 7: green Bay went for an on fourth and one, and
19:49
Speaker 7: the forty nine Ers defense came up with the stop.
19:51
Speaker 7: But then it was up to the forty nine Ers
19:52
Speaker 7: defense then offense to go eighty six yards the other
19:55
Speaker 7: way and capitalize on that momentum and to play complimentary football,
20:00
Speaker 7: and they scored a touchdown in green Bay, and that
20:02
Speaker 7: kind of helped turn the tide from that early momentum
20:04
Speaker 7: the Packers had delivered. And it was the same thing
20:07
Speaker 7: here on the fourth and two stop. It's not just
20:09
Speaker 7: that they stopped the Lions offense in an absolutely time
20:15
Speaker 7: of a game that they needed it, but it was
20:17
Speaker 7: the fact that then they went seventy plus the other
20:20
Speaker 7: way to score the touchdown, to capitalize on the momentum
20:24
Speaker 7: and really ship the dynamics of the game.
20:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, Omar, the second one, Steve Wilkes Jared Goff thinks
20:31
Speaker 3: they're in man and then changes it up when he
20:34
Speaker 3: starts rolling out and they drop it into his zone
20:36
Speaker 3: and there was just no place to go with the football.
20:39
Speaker 4: You know.
20:39
Speaker 3: It was just a brilliant call in ate, a late
20:42
Speaker 3: adjustment right by a lot of those guys. It was
20:43
Speaker 3: part of his unit with the San Francisco forty nine ers,
20:46
Speaker 3: A great, great wrinkle there at a key, key moment.
20:48
Speaker 1: Omar, you saw a brilliant one.
20:50
Speaker 3: Finally get home to that family, you know, leave Santa
20:52
Speaker 3: Clara at some jabo today.
20:54
Speaker 1: Please, Okay, good to see it. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,
20:56
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get home. Rest up. I'll see
20:58
Speaker 1: you guys in Vegas. Sounds good, buddy, appreciate it.
21:01
Speaker 3: You know who's going to be in Vegas, the Kansas
21:03
Speaker 3: City Chiefs. You know who won't be the Baltimore Ravens.
21:06
Speaker 3: This was a shippy one back and forth between these
21:09
Speaker 3: two teams. Crowd didn't like that call, I don't know why,
21:12
Speaker 3: which was completely insane. Sherry Burris joins us next to
21:15
Speaker 3: talk about what's next for the loser of the AFC
21:17
Speaker 3: Championship Game, the Baltimore Ravens.
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21:50
Speaker 3: The Kansas City Chiefs heading to the Super Bowl for
21:53
Speaker 3: the fourth time in five seasons, this time in the
21:56
Speaker 3: AFC Championship Game. They do it on the road against
21:59
Speaker 3: the team and that many around the country believe was
22:02
Speaker 3: the best team in the NFL. And they slowed down
22:06
Speaker 3: the perennium potentially MVP Lamar Jackson.
22:10
Speaker 1: And that was done by safety Justin Reid. Here he
22:12
Speaker 1: is with Sherry Burris.
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Speaker 9: It's never easy. It took a team effort. We caught hard,
22:17
Speaker 9: tooth and nail. Nobody gave us a chance born half
22:20
Speaker 9: point underdogs, but we got all we need, not locked room,
22:22
Speaker 9: and we believe in each other. We believe in the coaches.
22:25
Speaker 9: The coaches believe in us, and we go out there
22:27
Speaker 9: and scute the way that we escute today, We're gonna
22:29
Speaker 9: be a hard turn to be.
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Speaker 4: So we excited about the opportunity.
22:31
Speaker 10: Just what is the limit for you guys, as you
22:33
Speaker 10: do have one more game left this season?
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Speaker 9: I think we could keep stacking it. We know what
22:37
Speaker 9: the prize is, you know what the ultimate goal is.
22:39
Speaker 9: Are we gonna go chase it with everything in our soul?
22:42
Speaker 9: We all want it so bad we're gonna go.
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Speaker 1: Back to bed now. He made up these shirts justin
22:48
Speaker 1: Reid and Spags. We trust.
22:50
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing, Steve Spags did not like
22:53
Speaker 3: the shirts. You sound them rather embarrassing, But if you
22:56
Speaker 3: know Steve Spagnola, that's.
22:57
Speaker 1: Par for the course. But his players and his defense
23:00
Speaker 1: absolutely think the world of their defensive coordinator and he
23:04
Speaker 1: had another brilliant game plan once again in the postseason.
23:08
Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely, I mean they shut down that Ravens offense.
23:10
Speaker 2: And speaking of the Ravens, are bringing in our own
23:12
Speaker 2: Sherry Burr. Sherry, great job with that interview, Great job
23:15
Speaker 2: all week, and you have been with the Ravens for
23:17
Speaker 2: much of this season. They were the most dominant team
23:20
Speaker 2: in the NFL. But Lamar Jackson did not change the narrative.
23:23
Speaker 4: He is not going to the super Bowl.
23:25
Speaker 2: What is being said about his inability if you will,
23:29
Speaker 2: to elevate his team the way that Patrick Mahomes did.
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Speaker 10: It's a pregame yesterday and he was saying that you
23:38
Speaker 10: can build a legacy. There will be a legacy making
23:41
Speaker 10: play in this game. And he said, never count out
23:43
Speaker 10: Patrick Mahomes, but the same rate, never count out Lamar Jackson.
23:47
Speaker 10: But his point was if Lamar Jackson could go in
23:50
Speaker 10: there and beat Patrick Mahomes, beat this Kansas City defense,
23:54
Speaker 10: this Kansas City dynasty, even at that, that would take
23:57
Speaker 10: Lamar to the next level. But again we saw them
24:00
Speaker 10: fall short and James, we were sitting there next to
24:02
Speaker 10: each other in the press box just kind of scratching
24:05
Speaker 10: our heads at what this Ravens offense was doing, Like
24:08
Speaker 10: it didn't seem like they were really clicking on all
24:11
Speaker 10: cylinders like we were used to seeing my notes, I
24:13
Speaker 10: literally wrote halftime observations looking like expected but offense not
24:18
Speaker 10: finding their rhythm. And even after the game, Lamar said,
24:21
Speaker 10: you know they're frustrated, but this was I think an
24:23
Speaker 10: important step in the fact that they do obviously have
24:26
Speaker 10: plans and aspirations to make to a Super Bowl, they
24:28
Speaker 10: still need that experience to kind of get over that hump.
24:32
Speaker 10: Zay Flowers, you know, a big key of this. Also,
24:35
Speaker 10: he was such a big piece offensively, and I know
24:37
Speaker 10: there's a now, you know, a knock on them for
24:39
Speaker 10: that play at the goal line, also that taunting penalty.
24:42
Speaker 10: But like a man as a rookie, he stood up
24:44
Speaker 10: in front of the media in that locker room addressing us,
24:48
Speaker 10: which in a moment I'd have to assume is the
24:50
Speaker 10: hardest moment in his football career. And he just talked
24:53
Speaker 10: about the brotherhood in this locker room, not just for himself,
24:56
Speaker 10: but everyone being able to keep themselves I think optimistic
25:00
Speaker 10: and positive despite falling so short of getting to such
25:04
Speaker 10: a big game and their goals of making it back
25:06
Speaker 10: to the Super Bowl.
25:08
Speaker 3: Jery, we're seeing the play right here of Lagarius Need,
25:10
Speaker 3: one of the best corners in all of football, punching
25:12
Speaker 3: that football out prior to the goal line from Zay Flowers.
25:16
Speaker 3: And you mentioned the taunting called Joe Burrow by the way, says,
25:19
Speaker 3: let them taunt. I want to see everybody taunt everybody,
25:21
Speaker 3: which was great by Joe Cool out there on the
25:24
Speaker 3: Twitter world. But that play in particular, what did John
25:27
Speaker 3: Harbaugh company have to say about him? Because this is
25:29
Speaker 3: a rookie that has played at a remarkable level. But
25:32
Speaker 3: that's the type of play at a goal line that
25:35
Speaker 3: is preached repeatedly throughout a season. What was said about
25:40
Speaker 3: that game changing play from the other side of things,
25:42
Speaker 3: because we've heard it from the chief side.
25:45
Speaker 10: Yeah, so head coach John Harbaugh said, we teach them
25:48
Speaker 10: for at the goal line, two hands on the ball
25:51
Speaker 10: if you're going to reach. If we see that play again,
25:54
Speaker 10: that's exactly what Zay did. Two hands on the ball.
25:57
Speaker 10: We see it right here. I think he I'm not
26:00
Speaker 10: mad at Zay for trying. I think it'd be more
26:02
Speaker 10: upsetting if he didn't try to go for the goal line. Personally,
26:06
Speaker 10: I guess hindsight is twenty twenty. But that is exactly
26:10
Speaker 10: as head coach John Harbass said, they teach that play.
26:13
Speaker 10: I'm just saying, this is kind of one of those
26:15
Speaker 10: games where the ball sometimes it just doesn't roll your
26:17
Speaker 10: way or you know what.
26:18
Speaker 11: Hey, the defense they get paid just.
26:20
Speaker 10: Like the offense to go out there and make plays,
26:22
Speaker 10: and that's exactly what we saw happen.
26:25
Speaker 2: Sure, you know, we talked about how dominant the Ravens
26:27
Speaker 2: have been, like how much was a blown opportunity?
26:30
Speaker 4: How much was a blown opportunity?
26:31
Speaker 2: Was this because the saying is and the windows open,
26:34
Speaker 2: you got to run through it and they didn't.
26:38
Speaker 10: Yeah, So I don't know if this is just the
26:40
Speaker 10: emotional side and like the human side of it, but
26:42
Speaker 10: being in that locker room after the game, there is
26:45
Speaker 10: nothing more disheartening seeing those men in there hugging each
26:50
Speaker 10: other knowing that this probably was the last time they
26:52
Speaker 10: will ever.
26:52
Speaker 11: Have this team together.
26:54
Speaker 10: So you do feel for them and the fact that
26:56
Speaker 10: they wanted to win the Super Bowl now because of
27:00
Speaker 10: the pieces they had.
27:01
Speaker 11: Now they have so many free agents.
27:03
Speaker 10: We don't even know if defensive cornator Mike McDonald is
27:06
Speaker 10: still going to be their offensive coordinator Todd Bunkin even
27:09
Speaker 10: now this is his first season as OC.
27:11
Speaker 11: They're both getting head coach interviews. So they wanted to.
27:14
Speaker 10: Win now for the urgency, so steep to your point,
27:17
Speaker 10: I mean that was a driving factor, and you know,
27:19
Speaker 10: we don't know if you ever get back to this
27:22
Speaker 10: point again. They hadn't been to the Super Bowl in
27:24
Speaker 10: twelve years. They haven't had an AFC Championship game in
27:27
Speaker 10: Baltimore in fifty three years, So, you know, I think
27:31
Speaker 10: they understand that there was a sense of urgency to
27:33
Speaker 10: get it done now. But like I said, I think
27:36
Speaker 10: there is some optimism looking at the young pieces that
27:38
Speaker 10: they do have.
27:39
Speaker 11: Like we talked about as a Flowers, We're talking about
27:42
Speaker 11: Kyle Hamilton and Roquan Smith.
27:43
Speaker 10: They have a lot of young, really strong pieces, Lamar
27:47
Speaker 10: signing his contract this spring. They feel like they are
27:50
Speaker 10: building towards their ultimate goal, even though they still fell
27:52
Speaker 10: short just yesterday.
27:54
Speaker 3: And sure there are some key for Aden Packrick Queen
27:56
Speaker 3: who plays there right next to Roquand's with Smith justin
28:00
Speaker 3: like a lot of guys on that group, Guno Stone
28:04
Speaker 3: who played a big role in the secondary filling in
28:07
Speaker 3: at times and had a monster season honestly a variety
28:11
Speaker 3: against Gendevion Clowney, some of the Kyle van Noy, the
28:14
Speaker 3: older guys that they brought in to fill certain pieces
28:16
Speaker 3: and make this team work. We know how good this Yeah,
28:19
Speaker 3: Odell's Odell's as well as going to be a free
28:22
Speaker 3: agent OPJ so real quickly, what do you see them
28:25
Speaker 3: doing moving forward, because we know this is a team
28:28
Speaker 3: that is very good in the draft usually year in
28:30
Speaker 3: and year out. Where do you see talking to people
28:33
Speaker 3: in Baltimore? Is maybe a spot they need to take
28:36
Speaker 3: a step up? Is it still receiver even after they
28:38
Speaker 3: maybe took Zay this past year and had six success
28:41
Speaker 3: with the rookie.
28:43
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think so. But I also I think yes.
28:45
Speaker 10: So to answer your question wide receiver, yes, consider we
28:47
Speaker 10: talked about some of those free agent moves.
28:49
Speaker 11: Some of those guys are more on the veterans side.
28:51
Speaker 10: They could maybe use some that firepower bring in a
28:53
Speaker 10: different kind of juice. But also I think it's interesting, James.
28:57
Speaker 10: I don't know if we talked about this.
28:58
Speaker 11: During the game yesterday, but it seemed like they completely
29:01
Speaker 11: abandoned the run.
29:02
Speaker 10: Now, I'm not gonna question Todd Munkin because he gets
29:04
Speaker 10: paid way.
29:05
Speaker 11: More than I do and knows way more about this
29:07
Speaker 11: game than I do.
29:08
Speaker 10: But I found it so interesting that the number one
29:11
Speaker 10: rush offense really didn't run the ball. So I'm wondering
29:15
Speaker 10: if maybe they need to add some more juice to
29:17
Speaker 10: that position. Obviously, Gus Edwards is their workhorse. Justice Hill
29:21
Speaker 10: has done a really good job in that spot. But
29:23
Speaker 10: you know, once they lost JK. Dobbins, which you know,
29:26
Speaker 10: how can we forget that he was a key piece
29:28
Speaker 10: at he Tore's you know Achilles Earlier this season they
29:30
Speaker 10: kind of filtered in Melvin Gordon there, they brought in
29:32
Speaker 10: Delvin Cook. So I'm wondering if maybe that is the
29:35
Speaker 10: position group besides wide receiver that they could try to
29:38
Speaker 10: maybe bring some oomph to this offense and get Lamar
29:41
Speaker 10: a little bit more help too.
29:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I got to watch what happened yesterday
29:44
Speaker 2: in a couple of times this year too, especially with injuries.
29:46
Speaker 2: They have to address their offensive line as well, because
29:49
Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs bold lines of scrimmage yesterday.
29:54
Speaker 4: That was the key to this game.
29:56
Speaker 2: The Ravens had not been handled up front like they
29:58
Speaker 2: were handled by the Chiefs offensive line. Again, with some
30:01
Speaker 2: of the injuries in the age, as you mentioned, JP,
30:03
Speaker 2: that's where we could see some change as well. Sherry,
30:06
Speaker 2: great job, well done. We will see you in Las
30:08
Speaker 2: Vegas for the.
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl coming up next.
30:12
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, it doesn't look like he's gonna get a
30:15
Speaker 2: job this year.
30:17
Speaker 4: What maybe not next year?
30:19
Speaker 6: Is he done?
30:20
Speaker 2: Our Mark Ross is going to talk about Belichick and
30:23
Speaker 2: a whole lot more.
30:25
Speaker 4: Beyond these conference championship games. We come back on the
30:28
Speaker 4: NFL Report.
30:36
Speaker 2: We are back at the NFL Report, and look at this,
30:39
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes six years as a starter, four trips to
30:43
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I think you can say that's great.
30:48
Speaker 2: I think Antony Chiefs they found their franchise quarterback. You
30:50
Speaker 2: know what, we found our franchise knowledge guy. Right here
30:55
Speaker 2: in this segment we have Mark Ross joining us. James
30:58
Speaker 2: Palmer and Mark we talked about it. This right here
31:00
Speaker 2: is going to be a Tomahawk steak segment because we
31:02
Speaker 2: have a lot of food on this platter. But first
31:05
Speaker 2: of before we get going, just just your thoughts on
31:08
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl matchup.
31:09
Speaker 12: Well, this is going to be fascinating and so much fun.
31:12
Speaker 12: Of course, the rematch of a few years ago, and
31:15
Speaker 12: with Mahomes back, Hey, look, how was the greatest quarterback
31:18
Speaker 12: of all time? And underdog yesterday and going into it
31:21
Speaker 12: and despite all odds, just give me anybody to play with,
31:24
Speaker 12: just like Brady used to it.
31:25
Speaker 6: I'll find a way to get there.
31:27
Speaker 12: Of course, Andy Reid's importance and my man Steve Spagnola,
31:31
Speaker 12: the decordinator doing it once again. I'm sure we'll talk
31:34
Speaker 12: about him a little bit later. And then on the
31:36
Speaker 12: other side, the forty nine ers, we know the ups
31:38
Speaker 12: and downs that they've had in the doubt in the
31:40
Speaker 12: middle of the season, rock Party, can he do it
31:43
Speaker 12: or can he not do it? Stepping up with huge
31:45
Speaker 12: plays yesterday showing that Yeah, I'm a playmaker too, I
31:49
Speaker 12: got this. So it's going to be a lot of
31:51
Speaker 12: fun once again to match with great coaching, great talent,
31:55
Speaker 12: great players, a lot of storylines. Of course, we're not
31:57
Speaker 12: even talking about Taylor and that situation, so it's going
32:00
Speaker 12: to be a lot of fun.
32:01
Speaker 1: Guys. Yeah, I've had two jobs this postseason. Mark.
32:04
Speaker 3: It's been covering of the NFL following the Chiefs, and
32:08
Speaker 3: two like can I get a shot of Taylor Swift
32:11
Speaker 3: for everybody that needs one via social media?
32:14
Speaker 1: I've been pretty successful. I'm not gonna lie for a
32:15
Speaker 1: few of these games.
32:17
Speaker 3: We will get as Mark ts to these two teams
32:20
Speaker 3: more in depth, Chiefs and Niners. But let's talk about
32:22
Speaker 3: whose seasons just came to a close on Sunday, first,
32:25
Speaker 3: Mark and how they move on moving forward. We know
32:29
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson is a hot hot name, and obviously the
32:32
Speaker 3: connection to DC and the Commanders is one that we're
32:35
Speaker 3: all kind of following. If he does depart Detroit, how
32:39
Speaker 3: does a team And we just saw this with Philadelphia
32:41
Speaker 3: and the massive step that they took back after losing
32:45
Speaker 3: both of their coordinators. What do you have to I
32:48
Speaker 3: guess what boxes do you have to check if you
32:51
Speaker 3: lose a coordinator that's as important as Ben Johnson is
32:54
Speaker 3: to the Lions to make sure that doesn't happen to
32:57
Speaker 3: your organization. What do the Lions need to do to
33:00
Speaker 3: make sure they keep moving forward if they lose Ben Johnson?
33:04
Speaker 12: Yeah, look, everyone assumes, look, you just keep it rolling.
33:06
Speaker 12: But as soon as your team is done their season,
33:09
Speaker 12: it's a different team. And you mentioned the Eagles, but
33:12
Speaker 12: any team, even when you win the Super Bowl, you
33:15
Speaker 12: know it's a different team that next year. And for
33:18
Speaker 12: the Lions, for Ben Johnson, I mean, is this guy
33:21
Speaker 12: the best coordinator in the league? So to say, well,
33:23
Speaker 12: let's just find another guy. We've got this young talent
33:26
Speaker 12: keep it rolling.
33:27
Speaker 6: That's not easy. You know, that's hard, and I'll like
33:30
Speaker 6: in it too.
33:31
Speaker 12: When we had Steve Spagnolo, since we're going to talk
33:33
Speaker 12: about him, with the Giants and we won the Super Bowl,
33:36
Speaker 12: you know seven, masterful job by Spags. We were able
33:40
Speaker 12: to keep him another year, and then he left to
33:43
Speaker 12: become the Rams, you know, head coach there, and it's like, well,
33:45
Speaker 12: let's just fill in another guy. Well, no, there's only
33:48
Speaker 12: one Steve Spagnolo. The importance of a great coordinator cannot
33:51
Speaker 12: be undersold and underestimated. So the Lions, someone's number one,
33:56
Speaker 12: find a capable coordinator. Of course they won't be Ben
33:58
Speaker 12: Johnson because he's one of the but all, okay, all
34:01
Speaker 12: this young talent that we have, they have to take
34:04
Speaker 12: a step.
34:04
Speaker 6: They have to get better. You know, Brad.
34:06
Speaker 12: Holmes the gym, we got to get more talent in
34:08
Speaker 12: here to help overcome that as well. Jared Goff, is
34:11
Speaker 12: he going to be better next year? And then Dan
34:13
Speaker 12: Campbell the head coach, He's got to get better as well.
34:16
Speaker 12: So it's everyone really has to step up and overcome
34:19
Speaker 12: and get better in the absence of Ben Johnson because
34:22
Speaker 12: what he did there is special and deservedly so he's
34:25
Speaker 12: going to get ahead job somewhere else because of how
34:27
Speaker 12: special he was. But it's going to take an entire
34:30
Speaker 12: organizational effort to get back to where they were or better,
34:33
Speaker 12: or they may not be as good or prolific next
34:36
Speaker 12: year as they were this year.
34:38
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said that, Mark, because you talked
34:39
Speaker 2: to defensive coaches in this league and they will tell
34:41
Speaker 2: you Ben Johnson is different.
34:43
Speaker 4: He is different with what he does.
34:44
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about another coordinator, and that's McDaniel there
34:48
Speaker 2: at Baltimore.
34:50
Speaker 4: He could be gone, but I'm McDonald. I'm sorry, but I.
34:53
Speaker 6: Want to get more.
34:54
Speaker 4: I wanted more about this with the Ravens.
34:55
Speaker 2: They changed their offense, they played at such a high level,
34:59
Speaker 2: and they still.
35:00
Speaker 4: Didn't break through. Mark. I mean what they need to
35:02
Speaker 4: do moving forward to get over the home?
35:04
Speaker 12: Yeah, right, to be the man, you got to beat
35:06
Speaker 12: the man, and I think everyone in Baltimore knew that,
35:09
Speaker 12: and then they just couldn't do it.
35:11
Speaker 6: Just like last week we were talking about Josh Allen
35:13
Speaker 6: and the Bills. They couldn't do it.
35:14
Speaker 12: The Ravens had everything going for them, crushing teams with
35:19
Speaker 12: playoff teams all season long. Last week, okay, let's just
35:23
Speaker 12: you crush the young up and coming Texans. We're ready,
35:26
Speaker 12: We're at home. Lamar's flying high and of course there's
35:29
Speaker 12: a lot of reasons why they lost that game yesterday
35:32
Speaker 12: and moving forward, you know, I think a lot of
35:35
Speaker 12: the things that went right for them during the year
35:37
Speaker 12: didn't come through. Let's just talk about we talked about
35:40
Speaker 12: Lamar's receiving cor our gear, Well, yesterday didn't step up.
35:43
Speaker 12: The young rookies A Flowers who've been so dynamic make
35:46
Speaker 12: some dynamic plays, and then he had some you know,
35:49
Speaker 12: ill advised things that he did yesterday. Odell didn't step up,
35:52
Speaker 12: where was Bateman? Likely didn't make any big plays. Mark
35:56
Speaker 12: Andrews will give him a little pass coming off the injury,
35:59
Speaker 12: you know, Nelson Ageler drops another pass as usual. So
36:02
Speaker 12: I think all of that infrastructure for Lamar let him
36:05
Speaker 12: down and he didn't play well. No, that's the number
36:08
Speaker 12: one thing. He's got to get better. As he's going
36:11
Speaker 12: to win the MVP this year. He was amazing, He's outstanding.
36:14
Speaker 12: But here we are again talking about can Lamar get
36:16
Speaker 12: it done in the playoffs, And that's the number one
36:18
Speaker 12: thing fellas that has to get done. Lamar's got to
36:21
Speaker 12: play better. I'm sure he'll watch the tape and he'll
36:23
Speaker 12: admittedly say, yeah.
36:24
Speaker 6: I got to do it too.
36:25
Speaker 12: And I'm sure he's keat off right now about how
36:28
Speaker 12: he played. That's the number one thing for me. Until
36:31
Speaker 12: Lamar does it, we're going to keep talking about Lamar
36:33
Speaker 12: can't do it, and he's just really got to go
36:35
Speaker 12: out there and do it.
36:36
Speaker 4: Yep.
36:38
Speaker 3: I love that you put it that way, Mark, because
36:39
Speaker 3: being on the sideline pregame and talking to coaches on
36:42
Speaker 3: both sides, between the Ravens and the Chiefs, that was
36:44
Speaker 3: one of the most talked about topics before that game
36:48
Speaker 3: kicked off with both sides. It was the chief saying,
36:51
Speaker 3: we're hoping Lamar tries to do too much, he turns
36:55
Speaker 3: the ball over maybe a couple of times. We're banking on.
36:58
Speaker 3: We've been there a bunch with our quarterback. Lamar hasn't
37:01
Speaker 3: done it yet. That was also the Ravens concern that
37:04
Speaker 3: Lamar might try to do too much early, might try
37:07
Speaker 3: to do too much and end up making a mistake
37:09
Speaker 3: or two, and that's the hump you have to get
37:11
Speaker 3: over in the postseason. The Chiefs have been there year
37:14
Speaker 3: in and year out, and I think that's why you
37:15
Speaker 3: see sometimes fewer mistakes by teams that get there repeatedly,
37:20
Speaker 3: and that brings me to Steve Spagnola in his defense,
37:23
Speaker 3: their ability to go out there and create turnovers, which
37:26
Speaker 3: is something actually they didn't do really much here in
37:28
Speaker 3: the regular season, even though they were a brilliant defense,
37:30
Speaker 3: but they created some turnovers and they played discipline against
37:34
Speaker 3: a dynamic quarterback. And it's a lot because of their
37:37
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator you brought you brought up in Steve Spagnola.
37:40
Speaker 3: You were with him not only in New York but
37:43
Speaker 3: also in Philadelphia. How has he grown as a defensive
37:47
Speaker 3: coordinator in what you see him do now compared to
37:50
Speaker 3: your time with him in the past.
37:52
Speaker 12: I mean, Spags is just incredible. You talk about the
37:55
Speaker 12: mistakes and teams that they stepped up to the moment.
37:58
Speaker 12: The chief stepped up to the moment when they needed to.
38:00
Speaker 12: The forty nine ers stepped up to the moment when
38:02
Speaker 12: they needed to. The Ravens did not mistake out their mistake,
38:05
Speaker 12: the Lions did not mistake got their mistake. And that's
38:07
Speaker 12: the difference between championship teams and our two Super Bowl runs.
38:11
Speaker 12: We stepped up to the moment, well we needed to.
38:13
Speaker 12: Was it pretty all the time?
38:14
Speaker 1: No?
38:15
Speaker 6: You get some lucky bounces here and there, yes, But
38:17
Speaker 6: you have to step up to the moment.
38:19
Speaker 12: And with Spags, Yes, way back in the day, back
38:22
Speaker 12: in ninety nine, two thousand, Andy Reids first staff, he
38:24
Speaker 12: was our linebacker coach. We had Leslie Fraser, round Rebet,
38:27
Speaker 12: we had all kinds of guys there. But then in
38:29
Speaker 12: New York of course the mastermind of the defense there
38:33
Speaker 12: and Spags just really number one. His connection to players
38:37
Speaker 12: and staff is incredible. I mean just the personality that
38:40
Speaker 12: he has, the belief that those guys have in him,
38:43
Speaker 12: the way he can connect besides the x's and those
38:46
Speaker 12: that goes a long way with players. When a player
38:48
Speaker 12: steps in a room or on the side, like he's
38:50
Speaker 12: going to call up the right stuff for us, and
38:52
Speaker 12: we believe in this guy, and he believes in us,
38:54
Speaker 12: we're going to get it done. He always kind of
38:56
Speaker 12: just had that special gravitas about him and still does.
39:00
Speaker 12: You can kind of see it with him and then
39:02
Speaker 12: just dialing it up. You're talking about stepping up to
39:04
Speaker 12: the moment. He just dials up the right stuff in
39:06
Speaker 12: the right moment. And all decordinators we're talking about Ben
39:08
Speaker 12: Johnson the offensive side aren't made the same. All coordinators
39:12
Speaker 12: aren't the same. You get in pressure packed situations, are
39:15
Speaker 12: you going to panic or are you going to come
39:17
Speaker 12: through and do the right things? Just like players do,
39:20
Speaker 12: coordinators the same things, and Spags just really has just
39:24
Speaker 12: an innate feel for dialing up the right stuff at
39:27
Speaker 12: the right time and knowing how to put his players
39:30
Speaker 12: in position to make plays at the right time. He
39:33
Speaker 12: did it with us in New York. He's done it
39:35
Speaker 12: now with KC. And it's really just I mean, can
39:37
Speaker 12: we have a Hall of Fame for a coordinator?
39:39
Speaker 1: You know?
39:40
Speaker 12: And I mean this is incredible the runs he gets
39:44
Speaker 12: on and the way he's just able to take his
39:46
Speaker 12: game to another level in these pressure packed situations.
39:50
Speaker 2: Super quick, mark because I want to get to Belichick.
39:52
Speaker 2: But how come Spags doesn't even get head coaching interviews?
39:55
Speaker 4: Man?
39:56
Speaker 1: Oh, you know how it is that?
39:58
Speaker 6: You know how it is Davids on.
40:00
Speaker 12: To the next the new, the hot, the young up
40:03
Speaker 12: and coming up a coordinators. That's kind of what the
40:06
Speaker 12: trend is out of the NFL. And of course what
40:09
Speaker 12: he's done, he should get another shot at it. He's
40:11
Speaker 12: been a head coach, he's learned from that. That was
40:13
Speaker 12: a big thing when he came back to New York
40:14
Speaker 12: with us where he said he learned so much more
40:17
Speaker 12: when he was a head coach. Of course it didn't
40:18
Speaker 12: end the way he wanted to with the Rams, but
40:20
Speaker 12: he came out of that a better coach for that experience.
40:24
Speaker 12: And you see that right now. But yeah, he definitely
40:26
Speaker 12: deserves it. But you know how the nature of the
40:28
Speaker 12: NFL is in the hiring cycle, it's here, let's just
40:31
Speaker 12: go go this route. Here a young offensive mine and
40:34
Speaker 12: so you know he does earn it. He does deserve it.
40:37
Speaker 1: Them, Yeah, he does. And I know he wants another crack.
40:39
Speaker 1: We'll see if he gets another one.
40:40
Speaker 3: But I know he's happy doing what he's doing in
40:42
Speaker 3: the success Thor Avenue, Kansas City.
40:44
Speaker 1: How about Bill Belichick.
40:46
Speaker 3: It looks right now like we're going to have a
40:49
Speaker 3: year without Bill Belichick in twenty twenty four. So Mark,
40:53
Speaker 3: is this the end for Bill Belichick? Or is this
40:58
Speaker 3: just a one year vacancy?
41:00
Speaker 12: You know, guys, I think this is probably it. If
41:03
Speaker 12: this wasn't he didn't get it now, there's no need,
41:06
Speaker 12: no reason to think next year another year removed from
41:10
Speaker 12: the game. I think a lot of the negativity or
41:13
Speaker 12: the reasons why it's like, Okay, he's not the young
41:16
Speaker 12: up and comer, the way he does conducts business and
41:20
Speaker 12: runs his organization, runs his program. A lot of owners
41:23
Speaker 12: just aren't looking for that style anymore. And despite of
41:27
Speaker 12: course the rings and the accolades, it's okay, they're talking
41:31
Speaker 12: about he doesn't have Tom Brady anymore. He didn't do
41:34
Speaker 12: it without Tom Brady, and they're talking about that as well.
41:37
Speaker 12: So I think right now would have been the really
41:40
Speaker 12: only one teams and it wasn't even a lot of
41:43
Speaker 12: teams brought him into interview. They didn't even bother with him.
41:46
Speaker 12: So the outside looking in it was we don't even
41:49
Speaker 12: want to deal with this. And then also, well, if
41:51
Speaker 12: you're hiring Bill Belichick, is he bringing in all his guys,
41:54
Speaker 12: and whoever hires him, you're getting rid of them in
41:56
Speaker 12: the building.
41:57
Speaker 6: I don't want to bring that guy in coming in
41:58
Speaker 6: and bring everybody to take my bad job.
42:00
Speaker 12: So a lot of that got taken into account when
42:03
Speaker 12: they talked to Belichick. So you can never take away
42:06
Speaker 12: what the man has done. But that was in and
42:08
Speaker 12: moving forward. Teams looking for that aggressive, forward looking program
42:14
Speaker 12: and not the old school approach.
42:15
Speaker 2: Yeah to the greatest, who ever did it didn't get
42:18
Speaker 2: additional opportunities. I'm talking about Don Shule and Tom Landry.
42:21
Speaker 2: So you know that that's part of real quick because
42:23
Speaker 2: you only have about a minute and a half left.
42:25
Speaker 2: It's not just Belichick. Mike Vrabel, who we all know
42:28
Speaker 2: is a damn good coach.
42:32
Speaker 4: As well. He is not seventy. He could be on
42:34
Speaker 4: the sidelines as well.
42:35
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a look, there's a lot of good
42:37
Speaker 2: coaches who aren't getting in there. But Mike Vrabel's track
42:40
Speaker 2: record kind of speaks for itself. How surprising is it.
42:42
Speaker 2: The teams weren't as sweet on him as we thought
42:44
Speaker 2: maybe they should be.
42:45
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought they would be.
42:46
Speaker 12: As you mentioned, a younger guy and what he'd over
42:50
Speaker 12: overachieved a lot for most of the time there with
42:52
Speaker 12: it And if you were looking for okay, well we
42:55
Speaker 12: want to established coach who's show him the way to win.
42:58
Speaker 6: Let's let's get him in here.
42:59
Speaker 12: But again, and it's all about trying to find your
43:02
Speaker 12: own and not trying to rely on well recycled guys.
43:06
Speaker 12: And you know, for hit for Vrable, teams are kind
43:09
Speaker 12: of looking at well, we needed the offense again that
43:11
Speaker 12: that trend of the offensive. Young offensive coaches are still
43:15
Speaker 12: sort of playing out, and especially with those teams who
43:18
Speaker 12: either are about that draft of QB or you know,
43:21
Speaker 12: picking up high. There's a couple of those cakencies. There
43:23
Speaker 12: are still Washington here you are and h Or trying
43:26
Speaker 12: to develop a young guy that you have and unfortunately
43:29
Speaker 12: that that he just didn't fit into that box. But
43:31
Speaker 12: obviously he has been a successful head coach. But look,
43:34
Speaker 12: ownership goes a certain route and that's just been a
43:38
Speaker 12: copycat trend with the NFL hiring cycle.
43:41
Speaker 2: Mark Ross, not leaving anything on the bone of that
43:44
Speaker 2: Tomahawk stake segment.
43:46
Speaker 4: Well done, man, we got with it.
43:47
Speaker 6: We got the sides coup. We just hate the steak.
43:49
Speaker 12: Now, where's the mass.
43:54
Speaker 1: Take a fully load of baked potato.
43:55
Speaker 2: Please save a little one for Thursday. You know, we
43:58
Speaker 2: maybe maybe got to bring you back then. If not,
44:00
Speaker 2: come back next week, you guys. We've got the Senior
44:01
Speaker 2: Bowl coming up and a couple of these All Star
44:03
Speaker 2: games as well.
44:04
Speaker 4: All right, great stuff, Mark Ross.
44:06
Speaker 2: Well you heard that Mike Vrabel wasn't the up and
44:07
Speaker 2: coming offensive guy.
44:09
Speaker 4: Well neither's this guy. He's an up andcoming defensive guy.
44:12
Speaker 4: Rahiem Morris gets the job.
44:13
Speaker 2: He's a everywhere guy Atlanta.
44:15
Speaker 6: He's that dude.
44:16
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44:18
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44:24
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44:27
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44:57
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the NFL Report. As we close things out,
45:00
Speaker 1: James Palmer, Steve Whitch with you.
45:02
Speaker 3: We have two Steve openings left in the NFL and
45:05
Speaker 3: they should be filled rather quickly. They could be filled
45:08
Speaker 3: while we're talking about this right now, but we don't
45:10
Speaker 3: think on a Monday it's getting filled. But the Washington
45:12
Speaker 3: Commanders and the Seattle Seahawks, let's start with Washington. What's
45:16
Speaker 3: your take on what we're going to be seeing in
45:19
Speaker 3: Washington now that Adam Peters is in place, and it's
45:22
Speaker 3: essentially from my understanding, kind of his call.
45:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Adam Peters, you know is there. We've
45:27
Speaker 2: got Bob Myers also coming in. There's been talk for
45:31
Speaker 2: weeks that Ben Johnson, of the offensive coordinator for the
45:35
Speaker 2: Detroit Lions, who is now available to interview in person,
45:38
Speaker 2: is the favorite there and he will be interviewing with
45:40
Speaker 2: the commanders. But look, there's a team that needs a quarterback.
45:44
Speaker 2: But everyone has seen what he's done in the past
45:45
Speaker 2: two years in Detroit.
45:47
Speaker 4: He is a leader. You hear everyone speak highly of him.
45:49
Speaker 2: Defensive coordinators talk about how much of a nightmare is
45:52
Speaker 2: playing against him. But is he the guy to start
45:55
Speaker 2: with a team that he's a new quarterback because we
45:58
Speaker 2: know Washington has talent there. But this is a frame
46:00
Speaker 2: and transition, so maybe he's the guy. But we'll also
46:03
Speaker 2: see Mike McDonald, the defensive coordinator for the Ravens, someone
46:07
Speaker 2: who's nearby, someone who a lot of folks at this
46:09
Speaker 2: organization have seen up closing center. He's in the mix
46:12
Speaker 2: as well. But JP, it looks like those two in Washington,
46:15
Speaker 2: and as you said, both of them are available to
46:17
Speaker 2: interview in person by virtue of losing in their conference
46:20
Speaker 2: championship games.
46:21
Speaker 3: And I like you brought up Mike McDonald because that's
46:23
Speaker 3: an organization that the commanders have spent a lot of
46:25
Speaker 3: time looking at in terms of how we want to
46:28
Speaker 3: build this new look, in terms of culture, in terms
46:32
Speaker 3: of how we draft, in terms of how we go
46:34
Speaker 3: through the entire process. So obviously talking to Mike is
46:37
Speaker 3: a big part of this, but also what they want
46:39
Speaker 3: to establish.
46:40
Speaker 1: You mentioned the quarterback spot.
46:41
Speaker 3: Remember they picked second overall in this draft coming up,
46:45
Speaker 3: and that's a big, big, probably talking point with anybody
46:48
Speaker 3: they interview in terms of what's your plan at the
46:50
Speaker 3: quarterback spot? A completely different situation all the way across
46:54
Speaker 3: the country. Steve in Seattle, what's your make of what's
46:59
Speaker 3: going on there, because, as I mentioned, that is a
47:01
Speaker 3: completely different setup and circumstance compared to Washington.
47:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, p Carroll's moved upstairs. We don't know if it's again.
47:08
Speaker 2: An advisor role, much like Bruce arians has in Tampa.
47:11
Speaker 2: Are much more heavy handed, like we saw Tom Kaughlin
47:14
Speaker 2: do when he went to Jacksonville. But it looks like
47:16
Speaker 2: it's between Dan quinn and Mike McDonald. Looks like they're
47:19
Speaker 2: going to go with the defensive guy. Again, that's the
47:21
Speaker 2: nature of the leadership of this organization, which didn't change.
47:24
Speaker 2: So we'll see, probably by the end of the week
47:26
Speaker 2: if it's Quinn the Cowboys defensive coordinator going back to
47:29
Speaker 2: where he made a lot of good memories as a
47:31
Speaker 2: DC in Seattle, or McDonald JP. I also want to
47:35
Speaker 2: get to what's happened in Atlanta. Raheem Morris gets the
47:38
Speaker 2: job early on. I am told from this one some
47:41
Speaker 2: very close people. It was Bill Belichick's job. Arthur Blank
47:44
Speaker 2: wanted him, other people in the building really liked him.
47:47
Speaker 2: But then the more they got through this process and
47:48
Speaker 2: interviewed candidates, Raheem Morris, the defensive coordinator for the Rams,
47:52
Speaker 2: who had coached there before as a wide receivers coach
47:56
Speaker 2: and as a secondary coach, and who had remained and
47:59
Speaker 2: retained great relationships in that building, he gets the job. Like,
48:03
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts about this? Because a lot of
48:05
Speaker 2: people like, oh, he's already had a head coaching job.
48:07
Speaker 2: Why are we going with a defensive coach when we
48:09
Speaker 2: have a good defense and we need a quarterback.
48:12
Speaker 1: I love this, Steve, I actually I love this.
48:14
Speaker 3: We've talked culture at the start of this segment and
48:16
Speaker 3: what you want to build throughout your entire organization. I
48:19
Speaker 3: think Raheem builds that in his ability that he's coached
48:22
Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball. I think him makes
48:24
Speaker 3: him a unique candidate. And also everything he learned and
48:28
Speaker 3: from my understanding, how open he was with the staffs
48:31
Speaker 3: that he was a part of in between these head
48:34
Speaker 3: coaching opportunities, about what.
48:36
Speaker 1: He learned the first time around and.
48:38
Speaker 3: What he would do differently, I think really held a
48:41
Speaker 3: lot of water for a lot of people in Atlanta.
48:44
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated that nobody wants to rent Bill Belichick for
48:46
Speaker 3: a couple of years. I know, we won't be your
48:48
Speaker 3: coach for ten years, but the Tampa Bay Bucks rented
48:50
Speaker 3: Tom Brady and they got a Super Bowl out of it.
48:53
Speaker 3: Nobody really wants to do that, I guess with Bill Belichick.
48:55
Speaker 3: Quickly Philadelphia two new coordinators Vic Fangio and Kellen Moore.
49:01
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts real quick?
49:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, Vic FANGIOE it was not working in Miami.
49:04
Speaker 2: You heard people talking about the relationship just wasn't really
49:07
Speaker 2: great with a lot of people. So him going to Philadelphia,
49:10
Speaker 2: he can fix that team. There's talent, but they've got
49:12
Speaker 2: to add significant depth, especially at the position he thrives on,
49:16
Speaker 2: and that's at the safety spots.
49:17
Speaker 4: I've got to add some talent right there.
49:19
Speaker 2: I think Kellen Moore going to the offense very intrigued
49:23
Speaker 2: by this one because he has not coached a mobile
49:25
Speaker 2: quarterback and Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert like he's gonna
49:30
Speaker 2: have in Jalen Hurt.
49:31
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be interesting to see if he can
49:32
Speaker 4: get that passing game and.
49:34
Speaker 2: Everything else going on Mondays and Thursday, JP, you can
49:37
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49:40
Speaker 2: Were available on Roku too, be Pluto, Peacock, anywhere you
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Speaker 2: get your free streaming apps.
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Speaker 4: ME and JP here on the NFL repoard