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Cory Bowman - Building a Safer Cincinnati: Community and Crime · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Seven o seven here if you about Karsite talk Station.
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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Brion Thomas right here. I always enjoy talking
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Speaker 1: to a friend that I made during the campaign last year,
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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman. He was running from mayor. I represented a
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Speaker 1: different way of going, not continuing down the same path,
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Speaker 1: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a
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Speaker 1: different result as the definition of stupidity. And yet in
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Speaker 1: spite of the fact that a lot of people registered
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Speaker 1: to vote, one in four registered voters showed up to vote,
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Speaker 1: and of course, basically across the board, with a couple
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Speaker 1: noticable exceptions like California and Riverside and Sailor Park, everybody
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Speaker 1: went with Mary have to have Purvall and the current
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Speaker 1: cast characters we have representing the city of Cincinnati to
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Speaker 1: the extent they are Welcome back, Corey Bowman. Man, It's
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Speaker 1: great to have you on the morning show and a
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Speaker 1: happy Friday to you.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Good morning, Brian, Happy Friday, thanks for.
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Speaker 1: Having me, Happy to do it, and happy to mention
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Speaker 1: your church, the River Church. That's where Corey's pastor over
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Speaker 1: the West End. He's got some stuff to talk about.
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Speaker 1: What's going on the West End. Of course, subject matter
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Speaker 1: of a lot of discussion considering the young people who've
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Speaker 1: gotten their lives take from them just by hanging out
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Speaker 1: in a public park in regular hours. River Church is
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Speaker 1: where you go to see Corey Bowman preside over the congregation.
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Speaker 1: Maybe get you right with the Lord. Don't know King's
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Speaker 1: Arms Coffee Roasters as well. Yes, a free plug for
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Speaker 1: your coffee company too. I understand a couple of cops
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Speaker 1: went in there and heard me mention in King's Arms
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Speaker 1: Coffee Roasters. So at least you got a couple of
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Speaker 1: cups of coffee out of me for the last time
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Speaker 1: you're on Corey. Happy to do it man, Hey, I.
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Speaker 2: Really appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah, we started the church five
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Speaker 2: years ago and you know, when we started actually in
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Speaker 2: Queensgate West End area, fell in love with community and
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Speaker 2: throughout all that we've been able to distribute groceries and meals,
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Speaker 2: been able to lead people the Lord. But also, you know,
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Speaker 2: we also see not only the spiritual aspect, that there
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Speaker 2: has to be an economic impact for this as well,
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Speaker 2: So we started the coffee shop right in the downtown
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Speaker 2: West End area as well, and yeah, we've been able
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Speaker 2: to see major progress with that.
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Speaker 1: That's congratulations and keep up the great work in the community.
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Speaker 1: I know it's a community you really have a deep
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Speaker 1: concern over. You made a lot of friends there. You'd
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Speaker 1: like to see it a better place. And you've also
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Speaker 1: witnessed the struggles that some developers have had trying to
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Speaker 1: make the area a better place, with the City of
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Stan standing in the way of development in the
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Speaker 1: name of oh I don't know, connected communities or something. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: impediments to development are impediments to the neighborhood improving, and
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Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons I know you ran
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Speaker 1: for for mayor. We'll maybe give it another shot. Thank
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Speaker 1: you very much, Corey Bowman for attaching are you On
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Speaker 1: your Facebook page? Yesterday you posted a link to the
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Speaker 1: city council meeting that took place yesterday and their agenda,
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Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you about this because I've
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Speaker 1: never seen an agenda before, never bothered looking, but right
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Speaker 1: there in the meeting caliber all of these action items,
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Speaker 1: and there are Cheeze Louise sixty of them. A lot
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Speaker 1: of them have to do with appointments, and what I
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Speaker 1: found really weird and I think really personally troubling. I'm
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Speaker 1: entitled to my own opinion is that when you're talking
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Speaker 1: about appointments, So for example, appointments submitted by a mayor,
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Speaker 1: I have to have purval I hear by appoint Anita
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Speaker 1: Albi to the City Planning Commission as a member of
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Speaker 1: sincinn City Council. Appointment submitted city Council. So they're gonna
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Speaker 1: vote on that.
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Speaker 2: I guess.
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Speaker 1: But in every appointment, whether it's to that panel or
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Speaker 1: the Southwest Ohio Regional Transit Board appointment, or any other
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Speaker 1: appointment to any advisory board like Housing Advisory Board, there's
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Speaker 1: a parenthetical which tells you the sex of the individual
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Speaker 1: and the color of their skin. So in so far
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Speaker 1: as Anita Albi's concerned, perenn female slash white. And it
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Speaker 1: comes to appointing David Roberts, the Housing advisor word perenn
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Speaker 1: male slash white. And then you, of course, I also
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Speaker 1: have others female aa. I don't know what that means.
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Speaker 1: Male AI. Then they got their gender pronouns put in there.
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Speaker 1: The reappointment at Parvoll for keyback, whoever that person is, perenn,
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Speaker 1: they slash them slash. I guess that's African American. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. There's a reference to a transgender person on
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Speaker 1: here bottom line, does that information have any bearing on
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Speaker 1: their qualifications to act and capacity of whatever appointment or
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Speaker 1: reappointment they're up for.
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Speaker 2: Corey, Well, you know when you mentioned this, this is
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Speaker 2: something that it's a very fine line to kind of,
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Speaker 2: you know, tiptoe around in some aspects. It's a very
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Speaker 2: heated issue. You know, it is important to recognize certain
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Speaker 2: aspects of the community when it comes to race and
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Speaker 2: gender because we've come so far in our country when
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Speaker 2: it comes to you civil rights, when it comes to
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Speaker 2: women's rights, when it comes to voting, but we've kind
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Speaker 2: of crossed over into this realm to where it's no
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Speaker 2: longer about creating equal opportunity for everybody. It's about check
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Speaker 2: marking all of these different categories just to make sure
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Speaker 2: we meet a quota right. And I think that that's
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Speaker 2: taken out the aspect of the true value of people
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Speaker 2: when it comes to their skill sets, when it comes
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Speaker 2: to what their opinions are, what comes to their background is.
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Speaker 2: And I believe that that's something that really hurts when
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Speaker 2: it comes to not only city government, when it comes
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Speaker 2: to businesses, when it comes to careers, we have to
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Speaker 2: be able to look at this as you know, not
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Speaker 2: everything needs to be a race issue or gender issue.
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Speaker 2: While it's important to recognize those things when it's appropriate,
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Speaker 2: this line that we're towing right now is creating more
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Speaker 2: division than unity.
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Speaker 1: Well that's was my take on it. And also, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm one that still believes in the idea of meritocracy.
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Speaker 1: So if here's another one, Van Lee Solivan was appointed
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Speaker 1: to the Environmental Advisory Advisory Board for a three year appointment.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who this person is. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if they're qualified for the job. That's what really matters.
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Speaker 1: What have they done to make them qualify to sit
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Speaker 1: on the Environmental Advisory Board. I don't care that Van
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Speaker 1: Lee solve so and it happens to be according to
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Speaker 1: parenthetical here anyway, trans non binary slash white. What does
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Speaker 1: that those aspects of his being have to do with
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Speaker 1: competence to perform a job on the Environmental Advisory Board.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose that's something since it was submitted
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Speaker 1: by Scheryl Long as city manager, that she might have
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Speaker 1: looked into. But you know, kind of a lot of
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Speaker 1: people losing trust in Cheryl Long's ability to make rational
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Speaker 1: decisions anyway, so did Cheryl Long look at his resume?
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Speaker 1: Did Sharyl Long know whether or not he knows anything
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Speaker 1: about being on the Environmental Advisory Board? None of which
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Speaker 1: I know, but I know that's not information that was
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Speaker 1: provided to council. Council was just provided what sex the
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Speaker 1: person is, what color skin they are, and I don't
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Speaker 1: think that's appropriate.
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Speaker 2: Well I will say this though, too, because what I've
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Speaker 2: seen is that they have this checkmark policy when it
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Speaker 2: comes to this. But when those appointees or when those
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Speaker 2: people that are in those positions don't necessarily agree with
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Speaker 2: their policies or agree to play, you know, play ball
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Speaker 2: with the head administration, they get Ouston. What comes to mind,
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Speaker 2: you know, with me is Michael Washington. Michael Washington was
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Speaker 2: a man that grew up in downtown Cincinnati. He played
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Speaker 2: basketball at Station five Fire Department. He worked his way
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Speaker 2: up to being the Cincinnati fire chief. And this is
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Speaker 2: a black man that is in the city of Cincinnati.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, you can check mark that, you know, he
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Speaker 2: met the diversity roles. But this man was qualified. This
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Speaker 2: man had a heart for the city of Cincinnati. And
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Speaker 2: when I talked to him, and when I talked to
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Speaker 2: the firefighters, nobody thinks that there is anybody that loves
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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Fire Department and wants to see it succeed
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Speaker 2: more than Michael Washington, Right. So then, but then he
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Speaker 2: didn't play ball when it comes to the administration, and
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Speaker 2: so he gets wrongly fired let go by the city manager. Well,
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Speaker 2: now the city's paying for that because the city is
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Speaker 2: now facing the settlement of his lawsuit, and that's costing
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Speaker 2: taxpayers money. And so what I would say is that
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Speaker 2: why don't we start right off the bat with people
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Speaker 2: that love the community, with people that love Cincinnati, that
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Speaker 2: want to protect and serve or want to fulfill these
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Speaker 2: duties properly, And then what you'll find is that the
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Speaker 2: diversity will already be there, because Cincinnati is a diverse city, right,
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Speaker 2: But if you base it on the qualifications, you're going
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Speaker 2: to get a lot better outcome because of it.
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Speaker 1: That's my sole point. And if Michael Washington's name was
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Speaker 1: on here part of the part of the time when
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Speaker 1: they appointed him to be the fire chief, if it
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Speaker 1: said paren male slash black, I would make the same argument.
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Speaker 1: He has demonstrably qualified for the job. He's been around
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Speaker 1: fire department work his entire life. He embraces the fire department.
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Speaker 1: He has worked hard, he's walked, worked himself up through
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Speaker 1: the ranks, eminently qualified based upon his merit. Anybody could
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Speaker 1: fill that role, regardless of skin color, regardless of sexuality.
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Speaker 1: The point being can they fill the role competently? And
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Speaker 1: isn't that the only thing that we should be vetting
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Speaker 1: them over anyhow, Just a little eye opening for me
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Speaker 1: on that one.
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Speaker 2: Talk station.
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Speaker 1: And thinking about KERRCV talk station Happy Friday, the former
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Speaker 1: mayor old candidate still passed her and still businessman Corey
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Speaker 1: Bowman resident in the West End area in the neighborhood
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Speaker 1: that he cares a great deal about trying to make
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Speaker 1: it a better place. We go back to twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 1: eleven year old Dominic Davis got killed in a park
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Speaker 1: right down the street from your church. And then sadly
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Speaker 1: earlier this year because a couple of weeks ago, we
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Speaker 1: had another eleven year old killed there. Queen i Ree
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Speaker 1: was her young girl's name read he was her last name.
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Speaker 1: And after the initial shooting of that young the eleven
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Speaker 1: year old Dominic Davis, the West End was promised some
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Speaker 1: cameras not going to always, you know, prevent crime but
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Speaker 1: certainly it deturns to crime. You were promised cameras will
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Speaker 1: being installed in the neighborhood and apparently that never happened
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Speaker 1: until we had the second eleven year old murdered in
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Speaker 1: the same part and then we get some action from council.
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Speaker 1: What is actually going on now on the ground in
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Speaker 1: the West End as far as law enforcement activities and
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Speaker 1: efforts to prevent crime from happening.
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Speaker 2: Corey Bowman, Yeah, so I know that you know there's
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Speaker 2: a big emphasis on the cameras in the West End
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Speaker 2: right now. I know that you know they've the officers
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Speaker 2: specifically CPD and all the organizations that are involved in
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Speaker 2: this have called business owners in the West End because
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Speaker 2: you've got to get permission from like business owners or
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Speaker 2: property owners to put cameras up in certain places. So
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Speaker 2: that's something that shows us that they are being they
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Speaker 2: are actively pursuing installing these cameras in certain areas, so.
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Speaker 1: They'ret least asking now, do you get any sense from
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood business and property owners whether they're for it
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Speaker 1: or against it? Do you think generally speaking that would
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Speaker 1: be embraced or have you heard some people complain about
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Speaker 1: the idea of a camera being mounted on their property
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Speaker 1: as being bad.
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Speaker 2: I think when it comes to what we seen in
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Speaker 2: like these public parks and these areas, because where the
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Speaker 2: shooting happened was at Laurel Park, and when you look
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Speaker 2: throughout the city, these parks have actually turned into these
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Speaker 2: areas that are targeted by gangs in the area, whether
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Speaker 2: it be individuals that you know are just over for
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Speaker 2: turf or whatever that might be. And so when this happens,
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Speaker 2: a lot of times there's just no camera footage, there's
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Speaker 2: no deterrence, there's no anything that's going on. You know. Specifically,
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Speaker 2: when when I think of certain parks, I think a
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Speaker 2: Laurel Park, Grant Park, Fairview Park. These are areas where
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Speaker 2: we've seen instances before, and the cameras do deter now,
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, from a constitutional rising from when
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Speaker 2: it comes to monitoring somebody's privacy, you know, there's certain
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Speaker 2: areas when it comes to private property that you don't
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Speaker 2: necessarily want to see it there. But then you know,
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Speaker 2: for me, we have a business uh in the west
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Speaker 2: in the West End, and we have cam that are
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Speaker 2: on our building for our security purposes, and that's been
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Speaker 2: a huge deterrent for us as well. So I think
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Speaker 2: it's gotta be a collaborative effort of people working together
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Speaker 2: on that. But from what we can tell, there is
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Speaker 2: some initiative being taken for installing these cameras, but it's
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Speaker 2: not just a camera issue. There are certain other things
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Speaker 2: that we've got to put in place for this.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's pause, since rub it a break. What
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Speaker 1: are those specific things? I'm gonna ask Corey Bowman that
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Speaker 1: as we come back from break, and that will be
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Speaker 1: after these first words for plumb type plumbing always plumbing down.
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Speaker 1: Thirty eight figure out, KARSITI Talk Station, Brian Thomas, wish
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Speaker 1: and everyone a very happy Friday. Then extra special return
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Speaker 1: to Corey Bowman. He's got his fingers on the pulse
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Speaker 1: of what's going on in downtown Cincinnati, notably his area
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Speaker 1: of the West End's got a real prime problem. We've
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Speaker 1: been dealing with this for years. Corey knows more about
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Speaker 1: it anybody since he lives there, and of course he
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Speaker 1: has a business in a church in the area. Going
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Speaker 1: back to the couple of shootings in the park down
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Speaker 1: the street from your church and business, the cameras are
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Speaker 1: apparently at least coming I understand your point about installation
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Speaker 1: to get property owners approval. I do believe in the
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Speaker 1: concept of private property, and I think it'd be a
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Speaker 1: good thing if the neighborhood would agree that. Yes, cameras
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Speaker 1: would be a good thing because our neighborhood has a
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Speaker 1: crime problem and that would help moving over. Now, that
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Speaker 1: may act as a deterrence, not one hundred percent, but
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Speaker 1: it acts as a deterrence certainly an evidence gathering element
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Speaker 1: because you got videotape anyway, But what you were getting
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Speaker 1: ready to talk about? What else you're hoping comes to
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Speaker 1: the West End or maybe any other neighborhood in the
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Speaker 1: city that's struggling with crime. Corey Bauman, what are you
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Speaker 1: looking for?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I go back to the night where Queen
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Speaker 2: Irie was shot that night in the West End. Because
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Speaker 2: many people might not know this, but the grandmother of
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Speaker 2: the eleven year old girl that was shot several weeks
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Speaker 2: ago was a church member of mine, and so I
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Speaker 2: was at the hospital right when it happened and was
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Speaker 2: with the family. And then we came back to the
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Speaker 2: place where she was shot at Laurel Park because grandmother
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Speaker 2: lives right across the street from it, and the specific
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Speaker 2: thing I think about was that that night, it's almost
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Speaker 2: past midnight, We're sitting there, and the community itself all
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Speaker 2: comes out to grieve, to mourn, to offer condolences, and
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Speaker 2: I'm sitting there with the family. We're all outside, and
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Speaker 2: a couple of things happened. Number One, I was hearing
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Speaker 2: people constantly talk about where the cameras. Where the cameras.
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Speaker 2: They were like, we've got two hundred and fifty million
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Speaker 2: dollar stadium right there, talking about TQL Stadium, they said,
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Speaker 2: where are the cameras at? Where the cameras at? They
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Speaker 2: promised that after dom and so the community cares about
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Speaker 2: this also. Whenever they would talk. Then what would happen
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Speaker 2: was is that these cars would be driven by very slowly.
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Speaker 2: And when all these cars were drive by very slowly
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Speaker 2: with sense of windows, everybody had knee jerk reaction. They
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Speaker 2: didn't know what was going to happen, whether another incident
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Speaker 2: was going to happen with a shooting. So I just
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Speaker 2: made a call and we got some cruisers to be
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Speaker 2: able to come to the park for the protection of
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Speaker 2: the f and everybody outside. Well, when those cruisers pulled up,
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Speaker 2: the initial response was they were a lot of people
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Speaker 2: were freaking out because they thought the cruisers were there
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Speaker 2: to clear them out, and I just said, no, these
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Speaker 2: cruisers are here to help you, to protect you. And
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Speaker 2: that kind of kind of bridge this gap and put
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Speaker 2: down these walls. And a lot of people don't see
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Speaker 2: it this way, but that there is a huge gap
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Speaker 2: between the community of Cincinnatis, between the community of downtown
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Speaker 2: and the police officers who want to protect and serve.
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Speaker 2: And I believe that the elected officials have to do
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Speaker 2: everything they can to bridge that gap to show that
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Speaker 2: these officers are on the side of the community. And
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Speaker 2: then on top of that, you know, you ask what
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Speaker 2: are some practical things that we can do to fight
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Speaker 2: this crime? You know, the number one thing right now
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Speaker 2: is that we're twenty percent understaffed. We are twenty percent
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Speaker 2: understaffed when it comes to these officers. So no matter what,
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Speaker 2: they're just trying to show up to the worst case
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Speaker 2: scenarios because they're understaff They're trying to get a handle
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Speaker 2: on everything. And you look through we saw I believe
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Speaker 2: it was five point four million dollars appropriate toward public
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Speaker 2: safety over this year. And I'm looking at the efforts
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Speaker 2: and there was one hundred thousand of that that was
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Speaker 2: put toward recruitment efforts. We are at a point with
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Speaker 2: CPD right now to where if we don't get a
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Speaker 2: handle on properly recruiting and getting people through lateral hiring,
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Speaker 2: and we're in trouble because you've got some people, and
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Speaker 2: I'll say this based on what I've heard, is that
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Speaker 2: you've got anywhere between sixty to eighty officers even more
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Speaker 2: than that that this year or next year they enter
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Speaker 2: into what's called the drop or possible retirement, and many
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Speaker 2: of them might actually take that retirement and not actually
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Speaker 2: continue on. So then you're talking about possibly going from
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Speaker 2: twenty to thirty percent understaffs. We have to back our
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Speaker 2: police officers. We have to back our law enforcement, but
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Speaker 2: we have to bridge that gap between them and the
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Speaker 2: communities they serve. Those are just practical things that I
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Speaker 2: believe has to be at the forefront if we want
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Speaker 2: to fight this crime. Because you can put money into initiatives,
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Speaker 2: you can put money into I mean, out of those
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Speaker 2: appropriate funds, I believe it is eight hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: thousand went toward three CDC's expanded Ambassador program and a
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Speaker 2: lot of these expanded ambassador programs involves like picking up
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Speaker 2: trash and trying to better the community. In that way,
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Speaker 2: we've neglected the fact that our police are there to
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Speaker 2: protect and serve, not from a militant standpoint, but from
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Speaker 2: a community involvement standpoint. We've got to bring that back well.
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Speaker 1: In Stability and safety in any given community will lure investment.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's going to invest in a community where there's a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of crime going on in a city that's
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Speaker 1: not responsive to it. I want to address your lateral
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Speaker 1: higher point here in the allocation you've mentioned one hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. This is needs to be a full scale,
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Speaker 1: reimagined Cincinnati marketing approach to rehabilitate the good name of
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Speaker 1: the police department. Otherwise you're not going to get anybody.
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Speaker 1: I don't care how much money you hang out there.
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Speaker 1: Please Chair FLP President Ken Kober told me about sad figures.
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Speaker 1: They had thirty open spots. If nobody shows up, you
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Speaker 1: can't do lateral hires. Don't go away. Corey Bowman continues
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Speaker 1: seven thirty five five kr CD talk station od O
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Speaker 1: r XIT. That's west and resident business owner and pastor
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Speaker 1: in the West End and the church, I get pivoting over.
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Speaker 1: Of course, yes, more police officers are needed. I don't
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Speaker 1: think anybody, even the most ardent person who hates the police,
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Speaker 1: except for maybe Iris Roley, doesn't realize we are low
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Speaker 1: on officers therese you know how many hundreds thousand people
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Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati within the limits fifty two neighborhoods,
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Speaker 1: and we only have enough officers that, you know, maybe
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Speaker 1: when seconds counts, perhaps twenty thirty minutes later, there might
18:46
Speaker 1: be one there. You got to allocate reasonable. The resources's
18:49
Speaker 1: got to go to the worst calls first, meaning some
18:52
Speaker 1: people who may very well be in a jam, you know,
18:55
Speaker 1: aren't going to see a cop come by because they're short.
18:57
Speaker 1: So obvious thing. Let's get more officers on the job. Now.
19:01
Speaker 1: We can't start with recruits and brand new classes. They
19:03
Speaker 1: need to be trained to take six months or more
19:05
Speaker 1: to get them out on the street. So even if
19:06
Speaker 1: you get people to sign up to be a police officer,
19:08
Speaker 1: that's going to take a while. How about hiring away
19:11
Speaker 1: police officers from other police departments. Great idea. There's a
19:16
Speaker 1: lot of folks out there, maybe in New York City,
19:18
Speaker 1: for example, and you may have a wortitude on that.
19:21
Speaker 1: But you know, we have a better life here. You
19:24
Speaker 1: and I could argue about it all day long. We
19:26
Speaker 1: can engage in a marketing campaign to explain how much
19:28
Speaker 1: better the city of Cincinnati is in spite of its warts,
19:31
Speaker 1: than a lot of other cities in this country. But
19:35
Speaker 1: you still can't get a cop to come over and
19:36
Speaker 1: sign up for the job knowing that the political structure
19:40
Speaker 1: is against them and at minimum won't even stand up
19:45
Speaker 1: for police officers or go out and advocate for them
19:48
Speaker 1: like we all know that they need. They need the
19:50
Speaker 1: support of the mayor, the city manager, the supportive council,
19:54
Speaker 1: regular out loud support. Stop criticizing the police department. We've
19:59
Speaker 1: made massive of improvements in policing in the city Cincinnati,
20:02
Speaker 1: going all the way back to the Collaborative Agreement and
20:04
Speaker 1: all the way to this day, things just kept getting better.
20:07
Speaker 1: They're not out to hurt you, They're out to help you.
20:09
Speaker 1: They're out to make your neighborhood a crime free place.
20:11
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with policing. You're going to have to
20:14
Speaker 1: have a marketing campaign to rehabilitate counsel and the Mayor's
20:17
Speaker 1: office onto the side of us believing that they actually
20:21
Speaker 1: care about the police. Otherwise, you're going to open thirty
20:24
Speaker 1: spots up for lateral hires and you're going to get
20:27
Speaker 1: I think it was seven applicants at least, that's what
20:30
Speaker 1: Ken Kober told me when he was on the program.
20:32
Speaker 1: It just doesn't work saying you're going to do lateral hires. Corey.
20:37
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know one thing that a lot of
20:39
Speaker 2: people might not you know, understand why it comes to
20:42
Speaker 2: police officers as well, is that there are accreditation programs,
20:47
Speaker 2: and there are accreditation organizations that basically qualify or not qualify,
20:53
Speaker 2: but they basically allow the standards to be enforced. If
20:58
Speaker 2: you come underneath that covering, it's kind of like, you know,
21:00
Speaker 2: if you go to any university, are they accredited? You know,
21:03
Speaker 2: is there accreditation that justifies that they are qualified to
21:07
Speaker 2: be able to offer those types of services. So, in
21:10
Speaker 2: the state of Ohio, we have something called the Ohio
21:14
Speaker 2: Collaborative Law Enforcement Accreditation Program OCLAP. Now, this is something
21:20
Speaker 2: that's offered state wide. It's voluntary, but this ensures that
21:24
Speaker 2: certain standards are met with the police department and with
21:29
Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies, and many agencies all throughout the state
21:34
Speaker 2: go into this program, And not only because of the standards,
21:39
Speaker 2: but because with lateral hiring. This helps because then people
21:44
Speaker 2: throughout the whole state can recognize that this department is
21:49
Speaker 2: actually accredited under them, we can trust the standards of it,
21:52
Speaker 2: and then we want to work for them. Then there's
21:55
Speaker 2: actually a national accreditation called kalia LA. That's and what
22:03
Speaker 2: that offers is national standards. Now here's the thing with
22:07
Speaker 2: these accreditations, right it offers standards for accountability, for transparency
22:14
Speaker 2: with the officers, you know, body cams, making sure that
22:18
Speaker 2: there are no racial issues, no profiling, know anything, but
22:21
Speaker 2: also that the training for the officers is up to
22:24
Speaker 2: par And right now, the Cincinnatial Police Department is not
22:28
Speaker 2: under any of those accreditation programs. And we do have
22:33
Speaker 2: something called the Collaborative Agreement, which is an agreement that
22:36
Speaker 2: was needed at the time and it is something that
22:39
Speaker 2: enforces these standards. But this is what we got to
22:41
Speaker 2: realize is that Cincinnati cannot be an island unto itself.
22:45
Speaker 2: I've talked with the public safety sector of the state
22:48
Speaker 2: when we talk about accepting the packages for public safety
22:52
Speaker 2: from Ohio State Patrol and getting people on the ground
22:55
Speaker 2: to up our complement levels and They say that with Cleveland,
23:00
Speaker 2: with Columbus, with all these other cities, they make a
23:04
Speaker 2: massive progress when it comes to helping, but when it
23:07
Speaker 2: comes to Cincinnati, they have to jump through a lot
23:10
Speaker 2: of hoops because Cincinnati operates by like its own standards.
23:14
Speaker 2: And that might seem like, oh, yeah, we we have
23:16
Speaker 2: higher standards. No, it's that we are an island unto ourselves.
23:21
Speaker 2: We don't operate underneath KALIA. We don't operate under the
23:24
Speaker 2: Ohio state accreditation, and that really hinders us, not only
23:28
Speaker 2: when it comes to accepting help from the state, but
23:31
Speaker 2: when it comes to things like lateral hiring. If we're
23:34
Speaker 2: underneath KALIA accreditation, you would get some of the best
23:38
Speaker 2: of the best from NYPD, from Chicago PD, from LAPD,
23:42
Speaker 2: you get some of the best of the best from
23:44
Speaker 2: all over the nation. Say hey, Cincinnati, there's a lower
23:48
Speaker 2: cost of living, it's a great city. We've got all
23:51
Speaker 2: these great things that could go for us and raising
23:53
Speaker 2: our family there. And they are underneath that Koalia that
23:57
Speaker 2: National recognize accreditation to where the standard they're going to
24:00
Speaker 2: be there and the recruitment would actually go up. But
24:03
Speaker 2: CINCINNTI doesn't operate under that, right now, and that's something
24:06
Speaker 2: I think we need to change.
24:07
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like it's a simple fix, Corey. I mean,
24:11
Speaker 1: is anything that our police officers here in the city
24:13
Speaker 1: are taught pursuing to the collaborator, reeman or their training
24:15
Speaker 1: that is inconsistent or flies in the face of what
24:18
Speaker 1: they are being taught under those larger, broader, widely accepted
24:21
Speaker 1: accreditation programs.
24:23
Speaker 3: No.
24:23
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is that, you know, even though
24:26
Speaker 2: the standards underneath these accreditation would still match, Cincinnati just
24:32
Speaker 2: kind of fails to work together with state or federal
24:35
Speaker 2: when it comes to that. You know, I talked with
24:37
Speaker 2: SWAT officers and I would ask them how things going.
24:40
Speaker 2: They would say, oh, well, we can't even get funding
24:42
Speaker 2: for night vision right now. So that's when you know, like,
24:46
Speaker 2: even if money is being thrown at public safety, it's
24:48
Speaker 2: not going toward where it needs to go. This is
24:51
Speaker 2: Cincinnati SUAD, this is a local law enforcement that it's
24:55
Speaker 2: in their name that they need tactical gear and they
24:58
Speaker 2: can't even get money for a night vision That's so
25:00
Speaker 2: this is something. But then when I asked him, hey,
25:03
Speaker 2: couldn't we work with the state or federal to try
25:05
Speaker 2: to get more funding for this, he said, no, Cincinnati's
25:09
Speaker 2: and Island under himself. They don't want to work with
25:12
Speaker 2: the state or federal just because of the politics of everything.
25:15
Speaker 1: Let's pause, we ring quarterback for one more. We'll first
25:17
Speaker 1: catch ourselves a crime stopper, bad Guy the Week, Tivity,
25:19
Speaker 1: Green Officer, Greens whaitting in the wings. We'll get her first.
25:21
Speaker 1: Then we'll finish with Corey and learn about his podcast,
25:23
Speaker 1: among other things Some forty seven. Right now, if you
25:25
Speaker 1: have KC the talk station, mortgagees now, would you send
25:28
Speaker 1: your kid to the wrong person? Can and good lucky
25:31
Speaker 1: into where you're going Corey Bowman, I understand you have
25:33
Speaker 1: a new podcasts, Yes, sir, Yeah.
25:37
Speaker 2: We've been you know, kind of had it in the
25:40
Speaker 2: works for a while, just kind of working with Joe.
25:43
Speaker 2: And I want to thank Joe Schrecker for all the
25:45
Speaker 2: work that he does for just not only you know
25:48
Speaker 2: y'all show, but for everything that he's got his hand into.
25:51
Speaker 2: But yeah, I believe that it's all going to.
25:53
Speaker 3: Be lenks, provided that we'll be sharing weekly and just
25:58
Speaker 3: keeping our voice out there because you know a lot
26:01
Speaker 3: of people see it as hey, you know, is there
26:03
Speaker 3: another race or you know, all.
26:05
Speaker 2: This is just kind of a one off, but the
26:07
Speaker 2: key aspect of last year and continues on this year,
26:10
Speaker 2: is that we have to keep our voices loud when
26:13
Speaker 2: it comes to what's going on in our city if
26:15
Speaker 2: we want to see real change.
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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, you're the man for the job. You're concerned
26:20
Speaker 1: for the city comes through in your passion and in
26:23
Speaker 1: your voice and in your day to day actions working
26:26
Speaker 1: hard to make the West End a better community for everyone.
26:30
Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, I love having you on the show and
26:31
Speaker 1: I will encourage my listeners to find the Corey Bowman
26:34
Speaker 1: podcast or whether they get their podcast, yes, produced by
26:37
Speaker 1: my executive producer Jo Strecker, who will be happy to
26:40
Speaker 1: produce anybody's podcast. Just get in touch with him.
26:43
Speaker 3: He does that.
26:44
Speaker 1: It's a thing. Corey Bowman. Have a great weekend. Be
26:46
Speaker 1: careful with the snow, and I hope people don't ditch
26:48
Speaker 1: church because we've got some snow on Sunday.
26:52
Speaker 2: Hey, no matter what, we're going to be open. You know,
26:55
Speaker 2: we encourage safety with everybody, but you know we'll always
26:58
Speaker 2: remain open. And yeah, we're excited for a great weekend.
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Speaker 1: Sure you are, have one and best of health and
27:05
Speaker 1: love to you and your entire family. Corey, we'll talk
27:07
Speaker 1: again real soon, I'm sure, coming up at the top
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