Latest / Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast / PODCAST: Episode 769 - Gus Rios (Cold Slither) Talks About Their G.I. Joe-Inspired Metal Debut
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- 0:00I wanted to write a record that people are going to want to
- 0:02listen to again. I think that's really, if I
- 0:06could articulate it as clearly as possible, it's that I wanted
- 0:09to make a record that you may come across and be like, oh, let
- 0:12me check that out. And then upon listening to it,
- 0:16think, damn, this is actually pretty cool stuff.
- 0:18I would like to listen to this again.
- 0:20That's my goal. What's up everybody?
- 0:29It's Keithy guscoltmag.com. I got puns.
- 0:32Midweek puns for Gus Rios. You know his work best.
- 0:36From Gruesome and Left to Die and Now Cold Slither.
- 0:40How you doing, Bell? A man of many hats, I guess.
- 0:43A man of many hats, guitar, drums, producing, writing, All
- 0:47the things. All the things.
- 0:50I mean, you know, that's, that's what you got to do these days to
- 0:53stay afloat. Ain't that something?
- 0:56The whole world has changed. It's not even just the music
- 0:58business. Or, as I was joking, the music
- 1:00business becomes the music industry, but it's not the music
- 1:04friendship luck lucky if you can get through, but we're here to
- 1:08take today to talk about cold Slither.
- 1:10You have a whole bunch of stuff come doing this summer, but cold
- 1:12Slither is amazing. Shout out to raining Phoenix
- 1:15music for organizing this with you and the guys.
- 1:18I mean, it's a who's who players is an incredible subject.
- 1:22IPI know I don't want to sound so clinical and say content or
- 1:25IP but GI Joe and Hasbro. Is my.
- 1:29Childhood, man, it's our childhoods, right?
- 1:32So Cold Slither is based on GI Joe and let me just have you
- 1:36tell us how this project came to because I'm so stoked for people
- 1:40to know. So many, many, many moons ago, I
- 1:44played in a band called Malevolent Creation.
- 1:46And at the time we were assigned to Nuclear Blast and Gerardo
- 1:51Martinez, now head of Rainy Phoenix, was a label manager at
- 1:57Nuclear Blast. And the first day I met him in
- 2:01person, I guess, you know, malevolent Malevolent was
- 2:05probably playing Los Angeles. He came out to the show and he
- 2:09had AGI Joe shirt on. And then obviously we had a
- 2:12conversation and you know, we're we both turn out to be these big
- 2:15giant GI Joe fans, you know, and so him and I had this friendship
- 2:19outside of the work relationship.
- 2:22And, you know, years later he starts raining Phoenix.
- 2:25But even before that, like 10 years ago, he had this idea, you
- 2:30know, label guy. He made a contact at Hasbro and
- 2:35you know, kind of had this. He had the idea of like make
- 2:39let's make a real cold slither record.
- 2:40And but at the time, unfortunately, Hasbro just sort
- 2:45of dropped GI Joe or put it on hiatus or whatever.
- 2:51And now all these years later, the success of the Classified
- 2:56series, which I have spent a lot of money on, you know, they're
- 3:03really nailing the figures. So they're, you know, thankfully
- 3:05they're selling really well. GI Joe was like kind of top of
- 3:09the heap of, you know, it's like pop culture, you know, at least,
- 3:13you know, it seems like their toys are selling as well as like
- 3:15anything, you know, Transformers, which is usually
- 3:19like the bigwig. And so apparently behind the
- 3:22scenes, you know, at some point Gerardo was in contact with him
- 3:27again. And the, you know, the the idea
- 3:30was to do a cold slither box set of classified series figures.
- 3:35And I would imagine at that point, of course, Gerardo, you
- 3:37know, I was like, hey, I have this crazy idea.
- 3:40And, you know, I think he made it really attractive to Hasbro
- 3:44because he was like, listen, I am a record company.
- 3:47I will get the music made. I will manufacture the music.
- 3:51You know, all you guys literally have to do is just basically sit
- 3:53back and collect checks and let us have fun with us.
- 3:56And you know, and I think that's it.
- 3:58You know, Gerardo's a legitimate GI Joe fan.
- 4:01He reached out to me because he knows that I'm a legitimate GI
- 4:05Joe fan. And also I could write and
- 4:09record all the music just by myself.
- 4:11Like, you know, which kind of when you're dealing with Hasbro,
- 4:16they they have to vet everybody involved.
- 4:19So to just keep it till one person at first was just
- 4:22attractive. So, you know, I was like the one
- 4:25stop shop and I, you know, I got it all done.
- 4:28That's so amazing and and shout out to Gerardo, who was really,
- 4:32you know, building a new legend over at reigning Phoenix man,
- 4:35Opeth and Meshuga so many other killer bands and I can't believe
- 4:40there's gonna be like a Colts liver record and like to hold
- 4:45and to hear. I've been lucky enough to hear
- 4:48the promo. Shout out to the PR team in
- 4:50rainy Phoenix. Do you know C square music and
- 4:53Curtis Stewart? But yeah, man, like I'm such AGI
- 4:57Joe nerd from when my my first toys were the 11 inch GI Joe
- 5:01dolls I inherited from my older brother and the action figures
- 5:05of the 80s. And obviously, you know, the
- 5:08comic book and then the cartoon series and movies.
- 5:10And I do feel like, yeah, toys are huge right now.
- 5:13My one of my childhood best friends was a huge toy collector
- 5:16well into his adulthood with a whole room of toys.
- 5:20You can relate. And you know, it's just insane
- 5:25to me, you know, take take us back in time when you know, like
- 5:29cold slither. This is so wild.
- 5:31You know what? What was your first awareness of
- 5:33GI Joe? What were your first GI Joe
- 5:34toys? I mean my, you know, I think for
- 5:38me the cartoon came first, like many 80s kids, I think.
- 5:43And you know, at the time GI Joe came out, it just something
- 5:49about it resonated with me. I really just liked the
- 5:52characters. I wrote an article for for
- 5:56Decibel kind of outlining some of the stuff and my childhood
- 5:59wasn't the best. And you know, it's having so
- 6:03many characters to really kind of latch onto and, you know,
- 6:08kind of identify with and, you know, ultimately look up to and
- 6:13you know, that it it played just such a role in my upbringing.
- 6:17You know, I kind of say it all the time.
- 6:18Like I learned that the, you know, the do's and don'ts from
- 6:21like the likes of Duke and Optimus Prime and, and then do
- 6:25you know, the toys? I mean, you're not going to get
- 6:29better than this dude. I mean, this is just, you know,
- 6:32this is an original 1985. God damn, this is 40 years old.
- 6:36This toy, this isn't my original.
- 6:39Like, I, I started acquiring all this stuff from eBay when eBay
- 6:42was the thing. And that's kind of how Gerardo
- 6:45and I started really chatting because he, he has all this
- 6:48stuff too. And, you know, we both just were
- 6:51buying up GI Joes, all kinds of, you know, when the stuff would
- 6:54come out. And yeah, I mean, it's just a,
- 6:58it's GGI Joe. It means a lot to me.
- 7:02GI Joe transformer. I mean, you know, got an
- 7:04optimist prime tattoo here. I got the cobra tattoo here.
- 7:07Like, you know, and I got these well before I was involved in
- 7:11any of this. So you know what, what's the,
- 7:13what's the commercial? I'm not only a the CEO, I'm a
- 7:16member or whatever. Like I'm in the club, dude.
- 7:19We're all in the club, man. So so for the uninitiated, who
- 7:24just gonna find this randomly in the music media, in the heavy
- 7:28music media, light goes called Colts.
- 7:30Litter is a band founded by Cobra to, you know, infiltrate
- 7:35the youth of America, led by Zartan, the master of disguise
- 7:39and and and a pretty unhinged character based on his dossier
- 7:43and and his henchman the Dreadnoks, who are, you know,
- 7:47basically if Lynyrd Skynyrd never played music and killed
- 7:50people, that would be the Dreadnoks except inefficiently
- 7:53kill people. Is that a?
- 7:56Fair assessment. Yeah, they weren't particularly
- 7:58good at it. They were bad at it's like Storm
- 8:00for brain. They were particularly bad at it
- 8:02actually bungling. You could say bungling idiots,
- 8:05but Zartan at least was a strategist.
- 8:07He was out of control, but he had like a mind for crime.
- 8:10Not the, you know, the other guys are criminally, you know,
- 8:13inspired but maybe not good at crime.
- 8:16Get better at crime. You guys give GI Joe a a hard
- 8:19workout. So this music is the band called
- 8:22Slither making basically thrash and heavy metal, which is
- 8:26wonderful with a little bit of cock rock in there.
- 8:28And you get to sing and play guitar and be the front man of
- 8:32this as Zarkan, which is insane. It's insane that we're having
- 8:35this conversation. Therapy's not till tomorrow.
- 8:39She said, I mean, it's, you know, I mean, it's just the fact
- 8:43that, you know, there, there was a live stream, whatever, when
- 8:48that, when the song called Slither was going to 1st be
- 8:50released and a Hasbro official live stream that I've, you know,
- 8:55I'm sitting on my couch watching in real time and they, they play
- 8:58like a little snippet of the song, you know, and, and I got
- 9:02emotional because like I'm hearing my voice and, you know,
- 9:08my guitar and drums and all the stuff on an official Hasbro
- 9:12thing. And this record is going to be
- 9:15sold officially through Hasbro and RPM.
- 9:18Just the fact that something I made has going to have that
- 9:23Hasbro logo on it. I mean, it's, it's, you know,
- 9:27you know, the, the, the, the 8 year old kid watching that
- 9:30cartoon wouldn't, would not believe it, you know, he would
- 9:33just, it would just seem unreal. So I'm, I'm just really
- 9:36grateful. The marketing nerd in me is very
- 9:39jealous also because to work with Hasbro must be amazing.
- 9:42And they really were partners in this, right?
- 9:44Like not only it's not just their logo and IP they're
- 9:47allowing to do this, which is amazing.
- 9:50It's also like there there are samples on the record.
- 9:53I want spoil it because you know, a couple singles will be
- 9:55out by the time this runs in time for San Diego Comic Con at
- 9:59the end of July. But man, like it must have been
- 10:03wild to have them help and, and you know, they, they allowed you
- 10:06guys to have the samples and all this other stuff like it's wild
- 10:09to me. Yeah, I mean, I had to, you
- 10:11know, you have to work around the parameters.
- 10:13Like, you know, it's it, they're big giant corporation.
- 10:17But they really weren't, you know, they weren't Big Brother
- 10:20about it so much. I had to.
- 10:22I had to write all the song titles that I thought of and
- 10:26submit those for approval. They sent them back, approved,
- 10:29you know, all of them, and then have some ideas of their own.
- 10:32And then I wrote lyrics based on the song title, submitted all
- 10:36the lyrics to make sure they're cool.
- 10:37And you know, the thing about the lyrics, you know, I felt
- 10:42like I wanted to straddle this line of, you know, it's got to
- 10:46be based about GI Joe and the Dreadnocks and the the, the the
- 10:50Canon involved in that. But I didn't want it to be
- 10:53stupid either. I don't want it to just be like,
- 10:55you know, Cobra is awesome and GI Joe socks.
- 10:59Like I wanted to, I wanted to write kind of like mature adult
- 11:04lyrics because I mean, also everybody that's going to
- 11:07connect with this is kind of our age.
- 11:10So you don't want to hear like, you know, something super, you
- 11:14know, you're not going to it's it.
- 11:15You're going to be like, OK, well, this is cool.
- 11:17It's a cult to the record, but I'm never going to listen to
- 11:19this again. I wanted to write a record that
- 11:21people are going to want to listen to again.
- 11:24I think that's really, if I could articulated as clearly as
- 11:27possible, it's that I wanted to make a record that you may come
- 11:32across and be like, oh, let me check that out.
- 11:34And then upon listening to it, think, damn, this is actually
- 11:37pretty cool stuff. I would like to listen to this
- 11:40again. That's my goal.
- 11:41That's amazing. I think, like I said, most
- 11:44people know your more popular work and and you got a brand new
- 11:48gruesome album out as we discussed this, which I had a
- 11:51long interview with Matt about. But you know, you, this is
- 11:54you're no stranger to this world.
- 11:55So you are kind of the ideal person to come in and helm this.
- 11:58You know that I'm a huge fan of the original Liquid Death
- 12:01greatest hates record, which you did and was phenomenal, But I
- 12:04think it's very over. It was overlooked because of
- 12:06everything that year. You know, we were affiliate,
- 12:09early affiliates of Liquid Death.
- 12:11So much appreciation over here for how they do their branding.
- 12:14They're selling cans of Ozzie Sipped Liquid Death for $500.
- 12:19I mean they are. We are in the.
- 12:20Wrong business. Marketing geniuses, man.
- 12:23Glasco, man, that Blasco is a genius.
- 12:25That's right. That's part of that, yeah, but
- 12:28amazing it. But so like I think that did
- 12:30that experience pay off, you know, in a new.
- 12:33I think I think it, you know, it was a huge part of it to be
- 12:38honest, because I think when hat when Gerardo approached Hasbro,
- 12:42you know that anybody, again, anybody involved with this had
- 12:45to be vetted. So the fact that I had already
- 12:47made an problem for another large corporation really kind of
- 12:50fared well for me because they're like, OK, well, this guy
- 12:53clearly is a professional. You know, I don't know what
- 12:57corporations think about musicians, but, you know, maybe
- 12:59they're worried I'm just going to take their money and like run
- 13:01or whatever. You know, I'm just Lynn,
- 13:05luckily, you know, and I even got the liquid death thing
- 13:07through Gerardo. Gerardo doesn't want to hook me
- 13:09up with that whole thing. So, you know, I, I, I sort of, I
- 13:13guess was this guy that was looked at as I'm efficient,
- 13:17professional and punctual. So like, hey, we need this done
- 13:20by this day, you know, and I'll get it done and you know, it'll
- 13:25be quality work because I mean, that's the one thing I'll I'll
- 13:27say is the ones running line of everything I've ever done.
- 13:31I won't do it if it's bullshit, you know what I mean?
- 13:34Like it's got to be honest and it's got to come from a real
- 13:36place. And you know, even those liquid
- 13:38Death songs, I thought two were killer fun songs and I really
- 13:42worked on fitting their, you know, their hate mail in a
- 13:45creative way into the songs. Like I didn't just oh, I don't
- 13:49care. Like I I guess I care about
- 13:51everything I do. And obviously then you take
- 13:54something like GI Joe, which means the world to me beyond
- 13:58this. And it's just this like, you
- 14:00know, it's like kind of the gruesome thing, you know, you,
- 14:02you, you, you have this thing, these death records that shape
- 14:06your life and they mean the world to you, man.
- 14:08You're going to handle it with a lot of care and sincerity.
- 14:11And that's just how I approach this, you know, I guess that's
- 14:14how I approach everything. But it's interesting.
- 14:16The last couple of things that I did have fared this, this huge
- 14:19weight that I had this like, Oh my God, I can't screw this up.
- 14:23I can't screw this up. That's a good, you know, that's
- 14:26a good feeling to be respected and regarded.
- 14:29But obviously I understand the personal pressure you might put
- 14:31on yourself. You did great, by the way.
- 14:34Great job. So, yeah, man, Colts with the
- 14:37record, I know you know, again, Matt and the toymaster himself,
- 14:42Doctor Ross Sewage very well personally.
- 14:45But Andy is a new factor here. I think he's one of the more
- 14:48underappreciated drummers. As a drummer.
- 14:50You can, I'm sure you can back me on that.
- 14:52One of the more underrated drummers in the world of our
- 14:55music. What's it like?
- 14:56What was it like? You know, you guys connected I
- 14:58think a while back. And then, you know, Andy was
- 15:01clearly. He's a great drummer.
- 15:05He's, you know, World Travel, decades of touring experience,
- 15:11you know, so he had all, he checked off a lot of boxes.
- 15:15The guy's one of my better friends here locally since we
- 15:18live near each other. We agree on so many things.
- 15:23But to be completely honest, he literally is a dreadnock.
- 15:27I mean, you know, he's from London, England.
- 15:30Sounds just like a dreadnock. He's got a Mohawk.
- 15:33So as soon as I saw the toy, I was like, Oh my God, dude, come
- 15:37on. I sent him a picture of the toy
- 15:38and he was just like, well, I guess I don't really have to do
- 15:41much, huh? So like, he's just a legit
- 15:45dreadnought, you know, And he's a great drummer, super easy to
- 15:48get along with. And, you know, and I know Matt
- 15:51married to a British chick. So you know, it's a little he,
- 15:54he's all he. You know, he know, he knows the
- 15:55vibe. Right.
- 15:58He knows all the the the steps. He knows what to do.
- 16:01Yeah, well, it's funny because we always bust each other's
- 16:03balls about like England versus America.
- 16:06And it's like, you know, he'll be like, well, you know, we got
- 16:08Judas Priest and Black Sabbath and Pesh mode and Duran Duran
- 16:12and all. And I'm like, well, we got
- 16:13metallic and Slayer and the King.
- 16:15He's like, but we have The Beatles and I'm like, shit.
- 16:19Well, I mean, you know, Brian Wilson just passed away.
- 16:22There was a period of time, not the whole time.
- 16:24But there's a period of time. Where Beatles and Beach Boys
- 16:26were neck and neck. Highly recommend.
- 16:29Go see that Hulu documentary and get an appreciation for The
- 16:33Beach Boys and how their dads screwed them out of 1,000,000.
- 16:37Sorry, can't help my cynicism sometimes, but yeah man.
- 16:41And then the musically, right? Aside from obviously just having
- 16:44your mate in the band that he's amazing on drums, obviously you
- 16:48got to do these amazing guitar, this amazing guitar work with
- 16:51Matt, right? These amazing songs.
- 16:54You know, again, I love how heavy it is and how fun it is
- 16:57because I think we need some fun stuff right now.
- 16:59Not just that Colt Slither is fun inherently, but just like we
- 17:02need fun rock and metal right now.
- 17:05So the world is on fire. Hey, man, you know, I think
- 17:10yeah, you know, and I found it's just again, it's, it's very
- 17:13interesting how sort of there's there's a lot of similarities
- 17:15between this and gruesome. Like, you know, at the end of
- 17:17the day, what Gruesome does is create music to just enjoy,
- 17:23relive something, feel something that you haven't felt in a while
- 17:27and, you know, and not get all punched up and whether we should
- 17:32or shouldn't be doing this. And I think there's going to be
- 17:34a lot of that, what's called Slither, there's going to be
- 17:36people like, no, you know, the original was better and we
- 17:39should never have made an album. What's just, you know, fair
- 17:41enough. Everybody's entitled to their
- 17:43opinion, but I would invite everyone to just enjoy it for
- 17:46what it is, man. Like if you listen to these
- 17:49records and you have fun with it and you're just like, man, these
- 17:53are cool tunes. Like, that's it.
- 17:55It doesn't really need to go much further than that.
- 17:57These are just cool tunes. And, you know, I think we as
- 18:01people right now, everybody's sworn edge all the time.
- 18:05Yeah, man, everybody could just sort of like take it down a
- 18:08couple notches and just like, enjoy music.
- 18:11Well said. I'm going to record that.
- 18:14It's already being recorded. I'm going to re record that and
- 18:16play it on a loop for people so we can get them in the fold.
- 18:20Yeah, amazing record. You know, some absolute bangers
- 18:23and fun stuff on guitar. I know you guys did the Harmony
- 18:27solos together. Yeah.
- 18:30And and Matt gets to just kind of fly also, which is amazing.
- 18:33Yeah, it's good. I I imagine it's going to be fun
- 18:36for him. I even kind of mentioned it to
- 18:38him, Like, you're going to just be a guitar player, you know
- 18:40what I mean? Like, he doesn't have to front
- 18:41the band. He can just play guitar and have
- 18:44fun. And, you know, he sent us a
- 18:46picture the other day, his beard's growing in, and that was
- 18:49like, oh, look at that. Almost 50 years old and you're
- 18:52just now becoming a man. Yeah.
- 18:55So everyone's, everybody's having fun with it.
- 18:58And I, you know, and I think that at the end of the day, you
- 19:02know, I got to have this stuff out.
- 19:04Let me do an interview. Like I got the yellow pants, I
- 19:08got the red wig here, you know what I mean?
- 19:11Like, it's, it's fun, you know, it's, it's fun.
- 19:16But the music was definitely, you know, I took it very
- 19:18seriously. You know, Matt helped me write a
- 19:21couple of the tunes, but I kind of felt the weight of it all on
- 19:25my shoulder. So I was like, can't screw the
- 19:27same thing. It's like with cruising, like, I
- 19:29can't screw this up. I can't screw this up.
- 19:31So, you know, that's at the end of the day.
- 19:33I hope people realize that. A yeah, you know, we live in
- 19:37real cynical times. People could tend to think, oh,
- 19:40this is a corporation. They probably just hired anybody
- 19:43to just make this record. And no, man, like everybody
- 19:46involved with this, in particular, me and Gerardo,
- 19:48dude, this cold slither came out of our genuine love of GI Joe
- 19:52and heavy metal. So you know, it's, it's a, it's
- 19:55a fun record, but you know, it came from here, man.
- 19:57It's honest. Yeah, I can't wait.
- 19:59You absolutely did not screw up the gruesome record we already
- 20:02had. Kind of a Gus Rios loving Matt
- 20:06and I, but yeah, man, you just did a marvelous job.
- 20:09You know, in a sentence or two, an amazing idea, wonderful
- 20:13tribute to Sean. I know what Sean meant to you.
- 20:16He was super nice to me. He was very supportive of us.
- 20:19We when he reunited with with Paul, at one point we had done a
- 20:24big interview with the band and a feature on them when we had a
- 20:27magazine and it was really important to me.
- 20:31And just still very sad, you know, Obviously we just had the
- 20:35anniversary of Chuck pass by again.
- 20:37But yeah, specifically, yeah. Sean, what what a loss to the
- 20:40world. And you did an absolute banger
- 20:42job on that record. I hope everybody goes in and
- 20:44checks out that gruesome record. Thank you.
- 20:46Appreciate that. Yeah, man, Sean, I think Sean,
- 20:50both Sean's actually Sean Malone also just, you know, a huge
- 20:54impact on me and the world of metal.
- 20:57So very good there. And you know, glad I got to let
- 21:00you know as we wind this down, I want to give you back your time.
- 21:03You have so much going on. This is going to drop in time
- 21:06for Comic Con, which is going to be absolutely insane.
- 21:09Tour is coming, like other things you have in the works.
- 21:12Just a pretty busy year, but I feel like that's every time we
- 21:15talk. Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I'm,
- 21:18I'm just, I, I can't over overstate the the level of
- 21:23gratitude I have for the positions that I'm in musically
- 21:26right now. Like on one hand, I play songs
- 21:29that emulate my favorite band and then I get to play the
- 21:33actual songs with some of the original dudes.
- 21:36So it's like, you know, 14 year old means living a dream and
- 21:40then the 8 year old means living out this new dream that I didn't
- 21:43think was a thing. So, you know, I'm just in this,
- 21:46you know, a position of deep gratitude and appreciation and,
- 21:50and, you know, sincere reverence and in humility, man, I'm just
- 21:54happy to be here. I do really sincerely help
- 21:57people like this. Cults of the record I hope grow
- 22:00some legs, I hope it sells and I hope people want a tour and
- 22:04another album and turns it into a real band.
- 22:06That would be the dream and it would be I would love to see it
- 22:09happen. I wish you the best.
- 22:10As always I end these with the wild card question.
- 22:13So of course got to be GI Joe theme today.
- 22:16What is you know, do you have a favorite moment or in of GI Joe
- 22:20lore comic book? The the more modern movies, The
- 22:23cartoon? Probably not the movies, but do
- 22:26you have a favorite GI Joe moment?
- 22:28Yeah, that's super hard to pinpoint.
- 22:34I guess I'll, I'll say like some episodes that I love.
- 22:36I love the Ghost Brigade episode where they, you know, Cobra gets
- 22:40ghosts to fight GI Joe. I love the hole in the second
- 22:45season, the DNA mind Bender serpent or thing where they go
- 22:50to like, you know, they go to the tombs of like flat the
- 22:52impaler and Rasputin, all kinds of cool stuff.
- 22:57And then man, I love this one episode where spirit and and
- 23:02storm shadow have a fight. But there's you could tell
- 23:05there's deep mutual respect for each other.
- 23:08And I remember even as a kid, something about that really
- 23:11resonated with me. Like, even if you disagree with
- 23:13somebody, you, you can find something to respect them for.
- 23:18You know what I mean? You can, you can, you can find
- 23:20something to, to make peace. And that was my, you know, it's
- 23:24funny, like all these years later, that's kind of, you know,
- 23:27man, I, you know, the more, you know, now, you know, and that's
- 23:31half the battle. And and I've gotten through life
- 23:33knowing half the battle. Boy, if we only had 1/4.
- 23:37No Joe, we would be all good if we even knew 1/4 quarter of the
- 23:40battle and learned our lessons from it.
- 23:43Gus Rios, always a pleasure man. Thank you for chopping it up on
- 23:45us and talking GI Joe Cold Slither self title album once
- 23:49again, Pinch Me I'm Dreaming is coming out July 25th from
- 23:53Raining Phoenix Music, right in time for Comic Con, the biggest
- 23:56geek event in the world in the whole fandom of fans.
- 24:01Gus, we'll see you next time, buddy.
- 24:03Hopefully on the road with the face makeup, all right.
- 24:05Brother, good talking to you man.
- 24:07Peace.