Latest / Moser, Lombardi and Kane / 7-23-26 Hour 1 Broncos Potential 2026
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- 0:00Speaker 1: All right, can we just start here.
- 0:02Speaker 2: I was uh.
- 0:04Speaker 3: Looking at ESPN last night and they said, betting on
- 0:09Speaker 3: the Denver Broncos is the headline, betting on the Denver
- 0:11Speaker 3: Broncos regression coming to mile high question mark.
- 0:15Speaker 2: I hope not.
- 0:17Speaker 1: Well with having this just right around the corner. We
- 0:19Speaker 1: got camp coming up here.
- 0:21Speaker 3: You know, rookies have already reported, but it's in just
- 0:23Speaker 3: a couple of days. Here's what the futures have as
- 0:29Speaker 3: far as where the Broncos are at heading into this season.
- 0:33Speaker 3: The first thing is they're wins. They're over undertotal is
- 0:36Speaker 3: nine and a half. That's where they have it set.
- 0:41Speaker 4: That's stop stop, that's where Vegas has it, or that's
- 0:46Speaker 4: what the writer has, that's what they have taken.
- 0:49Speaker 3: I don't know whatever book ESPN uses. I think they
- 0:53Speaker 3: have their own book, right, but they're set at nine
- 0:55Speaker 3: and a half.
- 0:56Speaker 1: And this is Daniel Dopp. I don't know.
- 0:58Speaker 4: This is oh yeah, Danny Dupp, Danny Dopp, Danny, everybody
- 1:02Speaker 4: knows old Danny Dpp. But this was his little ride
- 1:04Speaker 4: up on this Hold on, hold on, what this is
- 1:10Speaker 4: gonna be funny?
- 1:12Speaker 1: This is no no, no, no, no, no, no not now,
- 1:14Speaker 1: not now what happens is.
- 1:20Speaker 3: Danny Dpp says, However, this roster isn't really full of
- 1:27Speaker 3: top end talent, and while the defense has its share
- 1:30Speaker 3: of quality players, the offensive side of the ball has
- 1:33Speaker 3: question marks around the maturation of bo Nicks and what
- 1:37Speaker 3: this receiving core can be following the recent investments in
- 1:40Speaker 3: Jalen Modeling Courtland Sutton. The nine and a half number
- 1:43Speaker 3: doesn't leave much margin for air. So while there's an
- 1:46Speaker 3: expectation for Denver to make the playoffs, there's no guarantee
- 1:49Speaker 3: we don't see regression in twenty twenty six, making this
- 1:52Speaker 3: a tough line to feel comfortable with.
- 1:55Speaker 4: Now I'd say this, I'd say the last part is
- 1:57Speaker 4: abundantly fair.
- 2:01Speaker 3: I if I had to put and I if you
- 2:05Speaker 3: had to make me put my mortgage on the Denver
- 2:10Speaker 3: Broncos equaling their win total from last year or going
- 2:15Speaker 3: beneath it, like if you set the number at thirteen
- 2:17Speaker 3: and a half, I would put the entire thing on
- 2:19Speaker 3: the end. I think it's going to be almost impossibly
- 2:24Speaker 3: hard to get to fourteen wins. Again, that doesn't mean
- 2:27Speaker 3: and here's what's funny, I think the Broncos can be
- 2:30Speaker 3: the same level of good correct, and have three less
- 2:33Speaker 3: wins correct. I think they can be the exact same
- 2:35Speaker 3: team with an eleven and six record as opposed to
- 2:38Speaker 3: fourteen and three.
- 2:38Speaker 2: Well, here's the way I look at it.
- 2:40Speaker 4: I look at the first six games of the season
- 2:42Speaker 4: as an incredibly difficult test.
- 2:45Speaker 1: Yeah, so I.
- 2:46Speaker 4: Think we're all thinking anything better than three and three
- 2:50Speaker 4: is pretty damn good. Then then you've got to consider, Okay,
- 2:54Speaker 4: you're done with the first six games. Now you have
- 2:56Speaker 4: to run the table just to equal what you did
- 2:58Speaker 4: last year. That sounds impossible, So I would agree. I
- 3:03Speaker 4: think the under on thirteen and a half is the
- 3:06Speaker 4: way to go. But they can be the same talent
- 3:10Speaker 4: level football team. But it's just that you're playing a
- 3:14Speaker 4: more difficult schedule. Teams are going to figure you out.
- 3:17Speaker 4: There are questions about, excuse me, if jfm's absence is
- 3:22Speaker 4: going to be even more impactful than we think. Well,
- 3:26Speaker 4: what up the addition of Jalen Waball that could be
- 3:29Speaker 4: more impactful than we think.
- 3:30Speaker 2: I mean, all these things play into it. There are
- 3:32Speaker 2: just unknowns that you can't put a a raw number on.
- 3:36Speaker 3: I think there's one tipping point heading into this year
- 3:42Speaker 3: that could change things. There were too many fifty to
- 3:47Speaker 3: fifty games that went in your favor correct last year,
- 3:51Speaker 3: and I just that's impossible to rely on again. Sean
- 3:55Speaker 3: Payton Sentiments said it himself heading into this offseason. The
- 3:59Speaker 3: quote was, I'm not naive enough to believe that some
- 4:02Speaker 3: of those games won't turn the other direction or couldn't
- 4:04Speaker 3: have turned the other director.
- 4:05Speaker 4: And what's so interesting about that is that he has
- 4:09Speaker 4: reiterated that multiple times this offseason.
- 4:12Speaker 3: Because it's smart, it's it's a smart way to look
- 4:15Speaker 3: at But I also think that that's going to be
- 4:17Speaker 3: for his team.
- 4:18Speaker 4: In addressing his team, that is going to be probably
- 4:22Speaker 4: a constant talking point that guys, we got to be
- 4:25Speaker 4: even better because we won a great deal of games
- 4:30Speaker 4: doing the fifty to fifty thing.
- 4:31Speaker 1: Here's what tips the scales.
- 4:33Speaker 2: And I agree with you.
- 4:34Speaker 5: I think it's nearly impossible to reach the levels they
- 4:38Speaker 5: reached last year.
- 4:39Speaker 2: And it doesn't even mean they'd be worse. No, it's
- 4:41Speaker 2: just you know, common sense.
- 4:44Speaker 1: Yeah, what tips the scales is this?
- 4:48Speaker 2: But what's so funny? What happened? Nothing? Go ahead? Are
- 4:51Speaker 2: you laughing because my computer's not working? I'm not. I'm
- 4:53Speaker 2: not laughing at you. I'm laughing with you. Go ahead, Brett.
- 4:56Speaker 2: The computer's just not working. I understand that. That's that's good.
- 4:59Speaker 2: Was your's working when you walk in? Total? Was yours
- 5:02Speaker 2: working when you walked in?
- 5:04Speaker 4: May?
- 5:04Speaker 3: Let me ask Jesse question, Jesse, is the computer not
- 5:07Speaker 3: working because you did not think Vic was coming in here?
- 5:10Speaker 2: That's correct.
- 5:13Speaker 4: I'm not sure anybody thought you were coming in here.
- 5:15Speaker 4: But I'm glad to have you. I think you look
- 5:17Speaker 4: a million bucks this morning. You look great, very cool.
- 5:20Speaker 4: How do you turn on the computer. It's a pretty
- 5:22Speaker 4: simple game.
- 5:23Speaker 1: We'll get it fixed in a second. What tips the
- 5:25Speaker 1: scales is this.
- 5:29Speaker 3: I think when you have a great defense, This is
- 5:31Speaker 3: tried and true every year. It doesn't matter what decade,
- 5:33Speaker 3: what era football we're talking about. If you have a
- 5:35Speaker 3: great defense, you're probably a playoff team. Like that's that's
- 5:38Speaker 3: almost been a guarantee your offense.
- 5:41Speaker 2: Like having a on your team.
- 5:42Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like if you have Jokic, you'll get to
- 5:45Speaker 3: fifty wins and you'll make the.
- 5:46Speaker 4: Playoffs if you've got If you've got a great defense,
- 5:48Speaker 4: your offense has to be so below borderline that you
- 5:54Speaker 4: might as well blow it up.
- 5:55Speaker 2: If you don't make the playoffs. That's that's my own opinion.
- 5:57Speaker 3: Now you can have an amazing offense, like ungodly great
- 6:01Speaker 3: offense with a horrible defense and missed the playoffs.
- 6:04Speaker 2: That happens all the time. It just happened to the
- 6:06Speaker 2: Cowboys last year.
- 6:07Speaker 3: Absolutely happened to the Chargers those years where they had
- 6:09Speaker 3: what was the defis's name that was in charge of
- 6:11Speaker 3: that happened?
- 6:13Speaker 1: No, No, what was the dufus name?
- 6:15Speaker 3: Uh?
- 6:17Speaker 2: The nerd Staley Brendon Staley. Jesus God, but.
- 6:23Speaker 1: He was a Dufus.
- 6:25Speaker 2: It worked here. He's a nice guy.
- 6:28Speaker 3: He did call a time out when he could have
- 6:30Speaker 3: just let the clock run out and make the playoffs.
- 6:32Speaker 1: And then he missed the playoffs.
- 6:33Speaker 2: Dude, that.
- 6:36Speaker 4: Don't all kind I know. But all they needed was
- 6:37Speaker 4: a tie. Yeah, Jesus good.
- 6:39Speaker 6: The Raiders looked at him, like, are you The Raiders
- 6:42Speaker 6: looked at it and said this good good right, exactly
- 6:44Speaker 6: good good?
- 6:45Speaker 2: No, make that.
- 6:46Speaker 4: Oh we're gonna put out. We've got good good.
- 6:52Speaker 2: No, we're gonna finish out. Okay.
- 6:54Speaker 3: So I think, no matter what, when you have a
- 6:57Speaker 3: great defense, you're gonna make You're gonna make the postseason.
- 7:01Speaker 3: The difference between I think how good the Broncos can be.
- 7:04Speaker 3: Can the Broncos be AFC championship level? Again, it all
- 7:07Speaker 3: comes down to the offense and Bonnicks. To me, that's
- 7:11Speaker 3: what happens. And yes, you need a running game and
- 7:13Speaker 3: everything else. But there were Here's what I counted, and
- 7:19Speaker 3: you guys tell me if I'm wrong here. I think
- 7:21Speaker 3: there were two games last year because I'm not going
- 7:24Speaker 3: to count the Giants because that was just weird. Two
- 7:28Speaker 3: games in which the Broncos offense carried them to a victory.
- 7:32Speaker 3: Do you know which games they are? And correct me
- 7:35Speaker 3: if you think there's more, let me know.
- 7:37Speaker 5: I mean you could argue Buffalo is one of those games,
- 7:39Speaker 5: the playoff game against Yes they did.
- 7:42Speaker 3: They gave up four hundred and fifty total yards. That
- 7:45Speaker 3: was one where the offense carried you to a victory.
- 7:47Speaker 3: I would put that in that game.
- 7:50Speaker 2: What do you say about the Giants game when they
- 7:52Speaker 2: had to.
- 7:54Speaker 1: It was too weird. It was too weird to me.
- 7:56Speaker 3: It was three it was three quarters of no offense
- 7:59Speaker 3: with well you three points in the fourth.
- 8:01Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 8:01Speaker 5: I think the Dallas game, no, what was the home
- 8:04Speaker 5: game in which I mean they put up for they
- 8:06Speaker 5: put up.
- 8:07Speaker 3: The offense played great, but it wasn't as if Dallas
- 8:10Speaker 3: was threatening them.
- 8:11Speaker 2: They're a forty four to seconds, I'd say.
- 8:12Speaker 4: The Philly game when they came back, the offense was
- 8:15Speaker 4: absolutely well, I know, but I'm talking about the offense
- 8:18Speaker 4: got it done.
- 8:19Speaker 3: The Green Bag Yeah, that was the other one. That's
- 8:21Speaker 3: where the defense didn't really have it that day. Your
- 8:23Speaker 3: offense had to show up to win.
- 8:25Speaker 4: Well, the Packers scored what where they scored in that game?
- 8:28Speaker 4: Six and you scored in the thirties, Yeah, thirty four.
- 8:32Speaker 5: You know what lost that game for Green Bays When
- 8:34Speaker 5: Jordan Love tried to attempt to get won by Patrick's
- 8:38Speaker 5: on the pick and said, nope, certain goes, I'm the
- 8:42Speaker 5: best cornerback in the league.
- 8:44Speaker 2: Well, when you that's why I'm me and you're you.
- 8:48Speaker 2: We looked back at that throw, though, which is a
- 8:50Speaker 2: beautiful throw.
- 8:52Speaker 4: Probably a hair short hair, But when you look at
- 8:56Speaker 4: the closing speed, yeah, I would argue to you that
- 9:00Speaker 4: there's maybe three corners in the league that could have
- 9:03Speaker 4: made that pick, sir Tan. The closing speed and the
- 9:07Speaker 4: leap in front was world class. Otherwise, I mean, Love
- 9:12Speaker 4: could have let them maybe a yard and a half
- 9:14Speaker 4: more sure, but otherwise that was a brilliant play by
- 9:19Speaker 4: a brilliant corner.
- 9:20Speaker 3: But I don't think that you can have another season
- 9:22Speaker 3: where I'm talking about maybe two times your offense carried
- 9:25Speaker 3: you to a win.
- 9:26Speaker 1: It's too much. And I say this all the time.
- 9:28Speaker 4: All that Washington game they squeaked it out and overtime, Okay, whatever.
- 9:33Speaker 5: The.
- 9:35Speaker 3: I talk about this all the time with the Nuggets.
- 9:38Speaker 3: This comes with the territory. If you're the greatest asset
- 9:41Speaker 3: on a team, and Jokic is the greatest asset on
- 9:44Speaker 3: the Nuggets, You're going to have to almost unfairly say, hey,
- 9:51Speaker 3: I need you to bring it like every night. There's
- 9:54Speaker 3: no off nights for you. Okay, I need a thirty
- 9:56Speaker 3: point triple double every night because you're a superstar. And
- 9:59Speaker 3: that's just that's just what we need out of you.
- 10:02Speaker 4: Are you motioning at me because you frowned my diet
- 10:06Speaker 4: Doctor Pepper? That's opens the diet Doctor Pepper. It's seven
- 10:09Speaker 4: O nine right here, dude, weird man thought of eating
- 10:16Speaker 4: drinking a soda, It's seven O nine.
- 10:18Speaker 1: That's died. It's basically built, different colored water, built different.
- 10:21Speaker 3: Good asking Yokic to do that every night seems unfair,
- 10:25Speaker 3: but it comes with the territory.
- 10:26Speaker 1: You're a superstar. Sorry, got to carry the table.
- 10:28Speaker 2: But at the same time he expects it. Though.
- 10:30Speaker 3: Now, what I do think is unfair is Jokic is
- 10:35Speaker 3: allowed to have a not good game every once in
- 10:38Speaker 3: a while where the team carries him.
- 10:40Speaker 2: And then that happened a few times.
- 10:42Speaker 3: A few times it happened, but it didn't happen enough
- 10:45Speaker 3: for me. And that's what I think the Broncos defense
- 10:48Speaker 3: is you look at him and say, hey, you're better
- 10:51Speaker 3: than the offense. You guys are gonna have to carry
- 10:53Speaker 3: the load. But there's gonna be a few weeks a
- 10:55Speaker 3: year in which the defense just doesn't do it. They
- 10:57Speaker 3: don't have it that week for whatever reason, and the
- 11:00Speaker 3: offense has got to step up. And I think that's
- 11:02Speaker 3: the next step if the Broncos want to get back
- 11:04Speaker 3: to where they were last year. That's going to be
- 11:06Speaker 3: the key to me is that you can't be like,
- 11:09Speaker 3: you need to hold this team to thirteen points through
- 11:11Speaker 3: three quarters and then we'll start to play. No.
- 11:14Speaker 5: I think the offense is going to be different simply
- 11:17Speaker 5: because there's a different play caller, and you're going to
- 11:20Speaker 5: see a difference in the cadence, in the rhythm, and
- 11:25Speaker 5: if you don't. If you don't, then it's the players.
- 11:29Speaker 5: Then it's all on the players because you change play callers.
- 11:33Speaker 5: And it says Davis web here, he has mentioned it.
- 11:35Speaker 5: He's going to do it a little differently.
- 11:37Speaker 2: We'll see.
- 11:39Speaker 5: Offensive line, Jack, Different doesn't always mean better, No, but
- 11:44Speaker 5: all right, let's just go through the offensive line. One
- 11:47Speaker 5: of the best in football. Correct, Yes, young promising quarterback. Yes,
- 11:52Speaker 5: a renewed, reinvigorated wide receiving corps. Yes, added another member
- 11:59Speaker 5: of that running back stable.
- 12:02Speaker 2: Yes, they've addressed the offense. Now go do it. Yeah.
- 12:06Speaker 1: God, I would love if you would have said night end.
- 12:11Speaker 2: Okay. So here's okay. Is today your birthday?
- 12:15Speaker 4: No?
- 12:15Speaker 1: My birthday is in December.
- 12:18Speaker 2: You want your kid?
- 12:20Speaker 1: Why did you ask that? What's going on?
- 12:23Speaker 2: Somebody on twitch that is your birthday?
- 12:25Speaker 1: That I have no idea what's happening. You'll take gifts.
- 12:29Speaker 2: You.
- 12:31Speaker 4: You want your cake and you want to eat it too.
- 12:33Speaker 4: You want listen to you. I want every position to
- 12:37Speaker 4: just be rad and I wanted to just all go.
- 12:40Speaker 2: So I don't.
- 12:41Speaker 4: I don't blame you, but every football team has a
- 12:45Speaker 4: position they'd like it better. Even the Super Bowl champion Seahawks,
- 12:51Speaker 4: I'm sure have a position where they want that position
- 12:54Speaker 4: to be better or stronger, whatever problem be. Hey, you
- 12:58Speaker 4: know what, but that's why there's a salary cap, and
- 13:00Speaker 4: that's why you spread around the wealth a little bit,
- 13:02Speaker 4: and that's why you acquire a waddle to mitigate that situation.
- 13:05Speaker 4: I completely agree with you, but it's still a dang
- 13:08Speaker 4: good team. There's no excuses for these guys go win.
- 13:12Speaker 3: How many guys in the Broncos offense would you consider
- 13:15Speaker 3: like top tier players at their position?
- 13:18Speaker 2: I mean, how many are Pro Bowl Quinn Miners, Miners
- 13:20Speaker 2: was a Pro Bowler.
- 13:21Speaker 3: They get a couple of offensive linemen. I would think
- 13:23Speaker 3: Garrett Bowles and Quinn Miners probably.
- 13:25Speaker 4: I would say that that bo Nix, is that what's
- 13:27Speaker 4: top tier?
- 13:28Speaker 2: What's your definition? Is he top five? No? His position?
- 13:33Speaker 4: No?
- 13:33Speaker 2: I think that's what he means by top tier. He's
- 13:35Speaker 2: not top.
- 13:36Speaker 3: Ten, Okay, Quinn Miners, Yeah, yeah, Miners and I think
- 13:39Speaker 3: Bulls is.
- 13:41Speaker 4: Hey, Garrett Bowles is one of the I'd say he's
- 13:44Speaker 4: one of the top eight left tackles in the league.
- 13:46Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what needs to change this year.
- 13:52Speaker 1: That's what can put you over the top.
- 13:53Speaker 3: That's what can make up for maybe some losses on
- 13:57Speaker 3: the defensive side, because I ah, I sort of beat
- 14:01Speaker 3: a dead horse on this. We're gonna go to camp
- 14:03Speaker 3: here in like a week, week and a half something
- 14:06Speaker 3: like that.
- 14:07Speaker 1: When are we going to camp?
- 14:10Speaker 2: First day there? Okay, what day of the week is that?
- 14:12Speaker 2: Is that? Next? That's Friday? Friday? When is there?
- 14:16Speaker 5: Like barbecue and all that business and a barbecue with
- 14:20Speaker 5: press comprehend hand.
- 14:21Speaker 1: Let Jesse finish his his oatmeal over there or whatever.
- 14:24Speaker 2: Jesse finished that thing, and let's answer the question here
- 14:26Speaker 2: hopefully Thursday. Okay.
- 14:30Speaker 3: But my my biggest thing that I'm going to be
- 14:32Speaker 3: looking for, everybody's going to be talking about bon Nix's ankle.
- 14:34Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about it. I think he's gonna be fine. Well,
- 14:37Speaker 1: look at Jalen model.
- 14:38Speaker 3: That'll be fun getting some new speed athleticism in the offense.
- 14:42Speaker 3: I am most concerned, slash intrigued with what's going to
- 14:48Speaker 3: be happening on the edges on defense because Cooper's not
- 14:53Speaker 3: going to be there presumably right, I don't know what's.
- 14:55Speaker 1: Happened service.
- 14:59Speaker 4: Well?
- 14:59Speaker 3: Peyton said, Now this was during OTAs he goes, He's
- 15:02Speaker 3: not going to be here until this stuff gets figured out.
- 15:05Speaker 1: So I don't know if that Well's coming to here
- 15:07Speaker 1: or not.
- 15:07Speaker 2: Here's the problem.
- 15:10Speaker 4: I think they were supposed to be in court like
- 15:13Speaker 4: right now, maybe like a speedy trial, like right now
- 15:16Speaker 4: on the first thing.
- 15:17Speaker 1: Right yeah, and then there's more stuff.
- 15:19Speaker 4: Well then it got added too, and they said, ho ho,
- 15:22Speaker 4: we've got yeah down the road. So I'm sure his lawyer, well,
- 15:26Speaker 4: you know what, I don't even not even sure you
- 15:28Speaker 4: want to really now go fast because a lot's been
- 15:31Speaker 4: added to it, and this is very concerning for him.
- 15:35Speaker 4: So if Sean Payton is correct, he ain't gonna be
- 15:37Speaker 4: in camp.
- 15:38Speaker 1: But what you've done over the last two years, your
- 15:41Speaker 1: greatest superpower is your ability to get after the quarterback.
- 15:45Speaker 1: And potentially you have lost John Franklin Myers and Jonathan Cooper,
- 15:49Speaker 1: which were pretty big parts of getting after the quarterback,
- 15:52Speaker 1: pretty big, which means it's got to come from other places,
- 15:56Speaker 1: other dudes.
- 15:57Speaker 3: And that could be Jonah Ellis, that could be Ke Robinson,
- 16:00Speaker 3: could be a number of different guys. But that's what's
- 16:01Speaker 3: gonna have my attention. And if you don't get that
- 16:04Speaker 3: same level of.
- 16:05Speaker 5: Production depth there, they have depth that if there's one
- 16:08Speaker 5: place where they could afford to lose a body for
- 16:11Speaker 5: a little bit, it's that they had it last year.
- 16:16Speaker 3: But you lost two guys that were very important, and
- 16:20Speaker 3: then you're looking your depth now is unproven.
- 16:23Speaker 2: Well, Vic, the way I look at it, I think
- 16:25Speaker 2: you're entirely correct.
- 16:28Speaker 4: But with Zach Gallen and JFM the middle, the amount
- 16:32Speaker 4: of occupation that the offensive line has to do with
- 16:36Speaker 4: those two big fatties in.
- 16:38Speaker 2: The middle, interior pressure that allows.
- 16:40Speaker 4: The guys, I mean, the guys on the outside can
- 16:43Speaker 4: get can get hungry and go do their thing. I
- 16:47Speaker 4: just I just don't know, because I don't know, because
- 16:49Speaker 4: we haven't seen it. I don't know what the absence
- 16:51Speaker 4: of JFM does two or four or against Zach Gallen
- 16:55Speaker 4: or the edge.
- 16:55Speaker 3: Yet they have they have good interior defensive linemen, but
- 16:59Speaker 3: Jan Franklin was a pass rushing interior defensive lineman. Malcolm
- 17:02Speaker 3: Roach isn't exactly that, and neither is DJ Jones, And
- 17:05Speaker 3: that's my concern and so so.
- 17:08Speaker 2: Then and then with the rookie, we have no idea correct.
- 17:10Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the same thing on the outside.
- 17:12Speaker 3: It's like Nick Benito and Jonathan Cooper is an insanely
- 17:15Speaker 3: good edge rushing duo. But if Cooper is not going
- 17:17Speaker 3: to play, then you're relying on Joan Alice has to
- 17:20Speaker 3: make a leap or Ke Robinson that we haven't seen
- 17:23Speaker 3: really any of has to make a leap or save
- 17:25Speaker 3: on Jones or whoever.
- 17:27Speaker 2: Two things? Is that my shirt?
- 17:31Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 17:32Speaker 2: I found it in.
- 17:34Speaker 1: My backpack three days ago.
- 17:36Speaker 4: That has probably been here for a year time out timeout.
- 17:40Speaker 4: That would never fit you because it fits him. That
- 17:42Speaker 4: would be like a pupp.
- 17:43Speaker 2: Tint on you. I'm wondering if I gave him.
- 17:44Speaker 4: But number two I think you did. No, we got
- 17:47Speaker 4: that from from super agent Peter Shaeffer.
- 17:49Speaker 1: That's right.
- 17:49Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you have my that's my agent
- 17:51Speaker 2: on your shirt a year last year. It can number
- 17:56Speaker 2: two sharp hat. I like your shirt thanks to.
- 18:00Speaker 1: Out at uh No.
- 18:02Speaker 3: We met uh Wes, who nicest guy.
- 18:05Speaker 2: He's great. Listen.
- 18:06Speaker 4: I need to talk to Wes Wes if you're listening texting,
- 18:09Speaker 4: because I need you.
- 18:11Speaker 3: And we told him he makes the most comfortable apparel
- 18:14Speaker 3: ever of all listened, Wes wes is does he listen
- 18:18Speaker 3: not to you?
- 18:19Speaker 2: He said, when you come on, he mutes it.
- 18:21Speaker 4: Okay, Wes Mos needs to talk to you because Brett
- 18:24Speaker 4: is right. Your stuff is the most comfortable stuff of
- 18:28Speaker 4: all time. Do you have his number? Yeah, I'm texting
- 18:31Speaker 4: him right now.
- 18:31Speaker 2: He played with.
- 18:32Speaker 5: Doc Holliday Royal Holiday that West did baseball player talked
- 18:37Speaker 5: a little bit about Doc College.
- 18:38Speaker 2: Damn, what a tragedy. That just tragedy? Was me missing
- 18:43Speaker 2: at three foot? That's a tragedy.
- 18:48Speaker 3: All right, we're here, we'll do this. I know nobody cares,
- 18:52Speaker 3: but I like to do this out loud if.
- 18:53Speaker 2: You want to, if you want to hear Vic.
- 18:56Speaker 3: Vic and his buddy were beating me and Vic's brother
- 18:59Speaker 3: so badly after no, no, no, no, so badly that Vic asked,
- 19:02Speaker 3: do you guys want to change teams? And me and
- 19:05Speaker 3: Vick's brother said hell no. And then we got to eighteen.
- 19:09Speaker 3: Vic missed three inch putt. It was a three footer
- 19:13Speaker 3: which I made ten out of ten times. After and
- 19:15Speaker 3: I said, if you can make a putt ten straight times,
- 19:18Speaker 3: then the one you missed is voided.
- 19:21Speaker 4: That's fair, right, Okay, listen on this program. We do
- 19:24Speaker 4: get on each other's bacon from time to time. If
- 19:28Speaker 4: you would like to hear Vic get busted up like
- 19:30Speaker 4: an old lawn chair, stick around, Yeah, because that's going
- 19:35Speaker 4: to happen today.
- 19:36Speaker 2: Oh you got some two You're damn right, I do.
- 19:38Speaker 2: Come at me, baby.
- 19:40Speaker 1: Jeff Flagwall is going to join us at nine o'clock.
- 19:43Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna bust you like your people.
- 19:44Speaker 5: Also, something happened today, one of the greatest days in
- 19:48Speaker 5: sports history that is going to warrant a nasty reaction
- 19:54Speaker 5: from Mark Moser.
- 19:56Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get to all that in a bit.
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- 20:00Speaker 3: you should be there for an evening filled with great wines,
- 20:02Speaker 3: live entertainment, and unforgettable experiences in the heart of downtown
- 20:06Speaker 3: Denver at Elitch Gardens. Get more information and purchase tickets
- 20:09Speaker 3: at Altitude Sports Radio dot com slash wine back after this,
- 20:13Speaker 3: all right, I got something on Lebron I want to
- 20:15Speaker 3: get to in a second, because it is I've never
- 20:18Speaker 3: seen and don't know if we ever will see, at
- 20:21Speaker 3: least for a while, A singular player in a sport
- 20:25Speaker 3: hold the power that he wields right now, But Vick,
- 20:28Speaker 3: what do you got for us?
- 20:29Speaker 2: Well, for those that have listened to this show for
- 20:31Speaker 2: an extended period, this name has come up several times,
- 20:35Speaker 2: much to the chagrin of one Mark Moser. So I'll
- 20:38Speaker 2: bring it up now because it's an historic date.
- 20:41Speaker 5: On this date in nineteen ninety six, thirty years ago,
- 20:47Speaker 5: one of the most iconic moments.
- 20:50Speaker 2: In sports history, in Olympic history.
- 20:53Speaker 5: Despite tearing ankle ligaments on our first vault, Carrie Strugg
- 20:57Speaker 5: returned for a second attempt and stuck the land to
- 21:00Speaker 5: clinch the first ever Olympic women's team all around gold
- 21:04Speaker 5: medal for the United States.
- 21:06Speaker 3: Shout out to Kerry heroic performance one of the all timers.
- 21:11Speaker 5: As we've mentioned that several times on this show, is
- 21:13Speaker 5: one of the most clutch performances of all time.
- 21:15Speaker 2: Moser. For some reason, it doesn't view it that way. Moser. Yeah, Okay,
- 21:22Speaker 2: good job Carrie.
- 21:27Speaker 4: What was she milk that friggin ankle for a long time?
- 21:31Speaker 4: And then the coach picks her up and carries her
- 21:33Speaker 4: around like a like a you know, an injury, like a.
- 21:37Speaker 2: Dog that had been hit by a car. It's just it's.
- 21:41Speaker 4: Ain't no Kirk Gibson getting to the plate with no
- 21:43Speaker 4: knees and banging a homer to win a World Series game.
- 21:48Speaker 3: It's so rich coming from the guy. The milk's every
- 21:53Speaker 3: injury that he has, every single lot.
- 21:55Speaker 4: I don't milk a damn fit. Ain't no milking, zero milking.
- 21:59Speaker 2: Are Let me explain, Let me expla.
- 22:01Speaker 3: Let me we talk about self awareness being a very
- 22:04Speaker 3: very good attribute for human beings to have.
- 22:07Speaker 2: Harry Strugg is an American hero. She is a thousand percent.
- 22:12Speaker 2: I'm not saying. I'm not saying it.
- 22:14Speaker 4: Wasn't an incredible vault. I've watched it a billion times.
- 22:16Speaker 2: In my life.
- 22:18Speaker 4: I'm not saying that she didn't battle through pain. I'm
- 22:22Speaker 4: not saying she's not an American hero. I'm saying that
- 22:25Speaker 4: got milked pretty good, dude, Like if you had if
- 22:29Speaker 4: you had a half mile string of cows, just.
- 22:34Speaker 2: That's how much milking was done. Trying to figure out
- 22:39Speaker 2: what she's up to.
- 22:40Speaker 1: Now, let's see, I mean, what's she up to? What
- 22:46Speaker 1: is she doing with her life?
- 22:47Speaker 2: You know what I mean? No, No, I don't know
- 22:49Speaker 2: what you're doing.
- 22:50Speaker 1: I don't.
- 22:51Speaker 2: I don't know what Olympians do, like Olympic career.
- 22:54Speaker 3: Yeah, like Michael Phelps doesn't have to do anything because
- 22:56Speaker 3: he's made a billion dollars in endorsements. And I'm like,
- 22:58Speaker 3: for for a normal olymp and like, what happens when
- 23:01Speaker 3: your Olympic career is over?
- 23:02Speaker 2: Well, you go and you become you know, whatever it
- 23:04Speaker 2: is you become. Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
- 23:06Speaker 2: What is the question?
- 23:07Speaker 5: Because you made your money as an Olympian, and you
- 23:09Speaker 5: made your money from endorsements, right right, So do you
- 23:12Speaker 5: go coach in your respective fields?
- 23:14Speaker 2: I think a lot of.
- 23:15Speaker 1: Them do that, Okay, So here you go.
- 23:16Speaker 3: After graduation, Strug worked as an elementary school teacher in
- 23:20Speaker 3: San Jose, California, before moving to DC. In two thousand
- 23:24Speaker 3: and three. She worked as a staff assistant with the
- 23:27Speaker 3: White House Office of Presidential Student Correspondents, moved to a
- 23:32Speaker 3: job at the General Council in the Treasury Department, and
- 23:37Speaker 3: in March of two thousand and five joined the Justice
- 23:39Speaker 3: Departments of Office of Juvenile Justice in Delinquency.
- 23:44Speaker 2: So just say it. She's a fed. Knew I knew it.
- 23:49Speaker 2: I knew it.
- 23:51Speaker 4: She milked her broken leg into being a fed. Okay,
- 23:55Speaker 4: good for her, I would too, I guess.
- 23:58Speaker 1: I need to ask you guys something, because.
- 24:03Speaker 3: We've said multiple times in this show, it feels like
- 24:05Speaker 3: the NBA offseason is being held up by the decision
- 24:08Speaker 3: of Lebron James, which is yet to come still, and
- 24:11Speaker 3: it's not just held up in a sense of like
- 24:13Speaker 3: us Nuggets fans are waiting for the Peyton Watson stuff
- 24:15Speaker 3: to get done and all these the different dominoes that
- 24:18Speaker 3: will fall after Lebron makes this decision. You know who
- 24:22Speaker 3: else he's holding up is Adam Silver, the commissioner of
- 24:27Speaker 3: the league, who said, out loud, out loud into a microphone,
- 24:31Speaker 3: we have to finish up the schedule, and where Lebron
- 24:34Speaker 3: plays affects the schedule. It will influence how we set
- 24:38Speaker 3: the schedule opening week Christmas. So I need him to
- 24:41Speaker 3: make a decision which led to Lebron. Reportedly, Lebron James
- 24:48Speaker 3: is irritated with NBA commissioner Adam Silver. And here's what's funny.
- 24:52Speaker 3: Here's what's funny. I get why Adam Silver is irritated.
- 24:56Speaker 3: He's like, I have stuff I need to do. You
- 25:00Speaker 3: making this decision affects my job, and how will I
- 25:02Speaker 3: get to do my job?
- 25:03Speaker 6: They're both right and Lebron, I'm a free agent.
- 25:07Speaker 2: I don't have to do a damn thing. I have
- 25:10Speaker 2: no responsibility to anybody. Time out, this decision, time out.
- 25:13Speaker 4: I can make this decision in September if I want.
- 25:15Speaker 2: You are correct.
- 25:16Speaker 4: But here's the thing, Lebron James No, but he probably
- 25:21Speaker 4: loves it. He probably loves the fact that nothing can happen.
- 25:24Speaker 2: Until he yeah, snaps his fingers.
- 25:27Speaker 4: He knows that Silver can't do the schedule until he
- 25:31Speaker 4: finds a place to go. He knows that, so for
- 25:35Speaker 4: him to come on, look, Silver shouldn't have said, look,
- 25:38Speaker 4: I'm waiting on Lebron. Look, because Lebron can wait until
- 25:41Speaker 4: the cows come home before he makes a decision. But
- 25:44Speaker 4: he knows damn well, and he but and and by
- 25:47Speaker 4: the way he eats it up, he knows the commissioner
- 25:49Speaker 4: is not going to do the schedule until he makes
- 25:51Speaker 4: his decision, because they're going to feature Lebron on Christmas
- 25:55Speaker 4: Day and.
- 25:55Speaker 2: Here and that and then and.
- 25:57Speaker 4: He eats that up too. So he's just he's playing
- 26:00Speaker 4: into it. He's not wrong, but he's but he knows
- 26:03Speaker 4: exactly what the heck he's.
- 26:04Speaker 2: Going to You guys, sense a tension between the NBA
- 26:07Speaker 2: commissioner and one of the best players of all time.
- 26:10Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think is the root of that tension.
- 26:15Speaker 3: That a commissioner likes to think of themselves as the
- 26:17Speaker 3: ultimate power? And I don't think this is what I
- 26:22Speaker 3: was saying, Like, I don't think for a while we
- 26:25Speaker 3: will see anybody in sports that has the power that
- 26:29Speaker 3: Lebron James has. Right now, Lebron James is going to
- 26:31Speaker 3: be forty two years old in December and he is
- 26:35Speaker 3: holding up the NBA off season with where he's Giannisnte
- 26:39Speaker 3: Tecumpo at this point is a better player than Lebron
- 26:43Speaker 3: James is he got traded to Miami. In Miami, the
- 26:47Speaker 3: biggest story of their offseason would not be traded for
- 26:49Speaker 3: Gianni's It would be signing Lebron.
- 26:51Speaker 5: He wields quite the hammer. But I believe that the
- 26:54Speaker 5: tension is deeper than that. I believe it goes to
- 26:57Speaker 5: places that nobody's talking about, Like sports, Nobody's explored it.
- 27:03Speaker 5: But I think at the end of the day, Lebron
- 27:05Speaker 5: wants to be an owner in this league. He wanted
- 27:08Speaker 5: that Vegas franchise, and I believe there are some obstacles
- 27:11Speaker 5: placed in front of him that he's not.
- 27:14Speaker 1: Fond of gotcham could be.
- 27:17Speaker 5: Do you remember the conversation that Lebron had with Nicola
- 27:21Speaker 5: Jokic's agent on that boat in Europe about NBA Europe. Yes,
- 27:26Speaker 5: and perhaps some ownership opportunities there. Well, I thought they
- 27:29Speaker 5: were trying to start their own legal could be too, Yeah,
- 27:31Speaker 5: start their own league. That could be in direct retaliation
- 27:35Speaker 5: for not being able to own you know, listen, you
- 27:38Speaker 5: can't own a team while you play in the league.
- 27:40Speaker 5: You can't, right, correct. I just sense there's more to
- 27:44Speaker 5: it there. There's there's something going on.
- 27:46Speaker 4: You know.
- 27:47Speaker 3: What's really funny to think back at. So Lebron was
- 27:50Speaker 3: on that boat with was it the Cronkys? Is that
- 27:52Speaker 3: what it was or who was it?
- 27:53Speaker 2: No, it was Nicola Jok's agent, that's right.
- 27:57Speaker 3: Remember how that when that photo first emerged, it was
- 28:01Speaker 3: every Laker fan in the world was like Lebron's trying
- 28:04Speaker 3: to get Jokic to come to the Lakers. And what
- 28:06Speaker 3: actually ended up happening was the Nuggets ended up courting
- 28:10Speaker 3: Lebron James.
- 28:11Speaker 2: And it didn't work.
- 28:13Speaker 3: But that was the more real possibility was he comes
- 28:16Speaker 3: to Denver as opposed to Jokic going to LA that
- 28:19Speaker 3: is correct because.
- 28:19Speaker 4: People don't because Lebron James is the sun and everything
- 28:28Speaker 4: orbits around him.
- 28:29Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. Give me the players
- 28:32Speaker 3: in every major sport in America.
- 28:33Speaker 4: And by the way, he said it, and he said
- 28:36Speaker 4: it in retaliation to Vic.
- 28:38Speaker 2: Remember it.
- 28:40Speaker 4: He retaliated against Vic's comment at the trade where he said,
- 28:44Speaker 4: I am the sun.
- 28:45Speaker 1: You revolve around me.
- 28:47Speaker 4: You revolve.
- 28:47Speaker 2: That's what he says to you. That was to you.
- 28:50Speaker 6: You know that right, It absolutely was to you. I
- 28:55Speaker 6: remember it.
- 28:57Speaker 4: It was in regards to the Lakers Dad, and he
- 29:00Speaker 4: came out with because I'm sure he heard it, Vic,
- 29:02Speaker 4: Lebron knows you. He came out with a tweet that said,
- 29:07Speaker 4: I'm this we talked about on the air. We talked
- 29:10Speaker 4: about it, dude, I'm dead serious there. You will never
- 29:13Speaker 4: convince me that his response that next day, because it
- 29:17Speaker 4: was the next day next you will never convince me
- 29:21Speaker 4: that he was not responding directly to what you said
- 29:25Speaker 4: at the at the parade. Hang on, let me let
- 29:27Speaker 4: me ask you guys this question. I swear to God, Vic,
- 29:29Speaker 4: if you can't see that, then your head is in
- 29:30Speaker 4: the sand like an Ostrich.
- 29:32Speaker 3: Let me ask you this question, because this is what
- 29:34Speaker 3: I want to know. How many other players in our
- 29:38Speaker 3: four major sports here in America would have the commissioner
- 29:43Speaker 3: waiting on them if they're a free agent to make
- 29:47Speaker 3: a schedule.
- 29:48Speaker 2: Let's think about that for a second. Nobody in hockey
- 29:52Speaker 2: would mcpickles. No, nobody in hockey. Well, it's because.
- 29:57Speaker 3: If David, if McDavid did didn't sign his contract extension,
- 30:01Speaker 3: he was a free agent this offseason. Would Gary Bettman,
- 30:05Speaker 3: like the schedule got released? What was it a week ago?
- 30:08Speaker 2: Would it? Would he have still been waiting if mcpickles
- 30:11Speaker 2: was not signed yet.
- 30:11Speaker 4: No, okay, that the league has a schedule release date
- 30:16Speaker 4: and they're putting it out period.
- 30:18Speaker 5: I don't think anybody in football would do that. Perhaps
- 30:20Speaker 5: sho Otani in baseball.
- 30:22Speaker 3: It's the only one I could think. They're trying to
- 30:24Speaker 3: get an international market.
- 30:26Speaker 4: This is a very unique There's no other player in
- 30:28Speaker 4: the league, in the NBA that they would do this for.
- 30:34Speaker 4: Because Lebron for twenty years has been over twenty twenty,
- 30:37Speaker 4: you know, twenty four years or whatever it is, has
- 30:40Speaker 4: been that the NBA has done a better job of
- 30:44Speaker 4: marketing individuals than any other.
- 30:46Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up because here's I believe
- 30:47Speaker 2: the biggest. So that's that's what it is.
- 30:49Speaker 1: Hay on hand on hand.
- 30:50Speaker 3: Just to finish this, would if Mahomes got into a
- 30:55Speaker 3: riffs Danny reads and it's not a chance.
- 30:57Speaker 2: You don't You.
- 30:58Speaker 1: Don't think that, Nadel.
- 30:59Speaker 3: If if Mahome this was a free agent, and let's
- 31:01Speaker 3: say the Arizona Cardinals are on the table, you don't
- 31:04Speaker 3: think you'd be like, well, the Cardinals are terrible, But
- 31:07Speaker 3: if they have Mahomes, I might put them in.
- 31:08Speaker 4: A crime because you can always flex. Remember that that's true,
- 31:12Speaker 4: you can move games.
- 31:13Speaker 2: No. Going back to your marketing point, it's come to
- 31:18Speaker 2: my attention.
- 31:19Speaker 5: After being in this business for so many years, I
- 31:22Speaker 5: have criticized the NHL for not doing enough marketing, but
- 31:25Speaker 5: I also criticized the NBA. I believe the NBA over markets.
- 31:30Speaker 5: I believe the marketing in the NBA is too much.
- 31:34Speaker 5: Sometimes you just gotta chill, just take a step back
- 31:37Speaker 5: and let the product do its thing. I think it's
- 31:40Speaker 5: the exact opposite. I don't think the NHL does enough.
- 31:43Speaker 5: The NBA does too much.
- 31:45Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys agree or disagree with
- 31:47Speaker 2: me on it.
- 31:48Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you on that. You know, I'm
- 31:51Speaker 4: not necessarily bothered by it. But it's worked. I mean, listen,
- 31:55Speaker 4: it started with David Stern, obviously. I mean when you
- 31:58Speaker 4: get products like Magic and then Bird and then Jordan,
- 32:04Speaker 4: and Jordan did a lot of it on his own.
- 32:06Speaker 2: But because the NBA marketed.
- 32:08Speaker 4: Him, here comes all the Nike and all the Gatorade
- 32:11Speaker 4: and all the everything, and then he becomes a one man,
- 32:15Speaker 4: one man company.
- 32:16Speaker 3: So it's it's Nike's fault. Nike made Air Jordan biggest
- 32:22Speaker 3: brand in the sports world, which was smart, but in
- 32:26Speaker 3: doing so created a a new realm of basketball in
- 32:33Speaker 3: which the individual was bigger than the team.
- 32:36Speaker 1: Right, I mean, could you take it?
- 32:39Speaker 2: Is that? Is that sort of ground zero?
- 32:43Speaker 4: You know?
- 32:43Speaker 5: In the NBA, a player is the team on a
- 32:45Speaker 5: lot of the kid Let's be honest, the Nuggets Nicole okicch.
- 32:50Speaker 2: Yes, but Milwaukee was y honest Milwaukee. Every time Milwaukee
- 32:53Speaker 2: was on national television or anywhere, why were they on?
- 32:56Speaker 3: But but what I'm saying is the difference that the
- 32:59Speaker 3: NBA had as than I think any other sport. And
- 33:02Speaker 3: you can find maybe a couple of exceptions to this,
- 33:05Speaker 3: but there's not many the NBA, and I do think
- 33:10Speaker 3: it started with the behemoth that was the Air Jordan
- 33:13Speaker 3: brand and everybody being a Michael Jordan uh sick aphan.
- 33:19Speaker 1: You followed, Well, that's okay, that's.
- 33:25Speaker 2: That's a derogatory term. You understand, he's the great. I mean,
- 33:28Speaker 2: he's the great.
- 33:29Speaker 3: Okay, whatever you want to call it, super fan, how
- 33:32Speaker 3: about that.
- 33:34Speaker 1: That's fine.
- 33:35Speaker 3: I'm not saying not gonna be something. I'm not saying
- 33:37Speaker 3: it in say a negative way.
- 33:39Speaker 2: We're going to have to accept the label. I'm an admirer. Okay,
- 33:42Speaker 2: there you go, worshiper whatever.
- 33:47Speaker 3: So vic As he bowed to the altar of his
- 33:49Speaker 3: false god, Michael Jordans.
- 33:52Speaker 2: So I think it all started with.
- 33:54Speaker 3: That, because then the NBA became I am a fan
- 33:57Speaker 3: of the individual, and I will be a fan of
- 34:00Speaker 3: wherever the individual plays that more than the team that
- 34:04Speaker 3: they play for.
- 34:05Speaker 2: That's why Little.
- 34:05Speaker 4: Johnny and Highland's ranchs got is Steph Curry Jersey and
- 34:08Speaker 4: so on and so forth.
- 34:09Speaker 2: Yes, so, yes, yes, there.
- 34:11Speaker 3: Were big time Carmelo fans here in Denver, and then
- 34:15Speaker 3: he went to New York and most people were still
- 34:20Speaker 3: Denver fans here, but there were people of I'm a
- 34:24Speaker 3: fan of wherever Carmelo is. I don't know any other
- 34:28Speaker 3: sport here that does that. They're plenty of Mico fans, mos,
- 34:33Speaker 3: how many of those Mico fans here?
- 34:34Speaker 1: Dallas Stars fans now, yeah.
- 34:36Speaker 2: Did they go out and buy Dallas Stars jerseys with
- 34:38Speaker 2: Ranton and on it?
- 34:39Speaker 3: No?
- 34:39Speaker 6: Even Patriots fans with Tom Brady're like, I'm not a
- 34:42Speaker 6: Bucks fan now, I'm not doing that, no way, no,
- 34:46Speaker 6: But I'm sure there are people who own Lebron's jerseys
- 34:49Speaker 6: and every team Cleveland.
- 34:51Speaker 2: When I went to a couple of years ago and
- 34:54Speaker 2: I did that story, Do you remember that story?
- 34:55Speaker 5: I did, and I came back, I said that Lakers
- 34:57Speaker 5: fans aren't so bad after all.
- 34:59Speaker 2: I interviewed a bunch of Lakers. That was that was
- 35:01Speaker 2: on the beach that one. No, No, that was Clippers fans.
- 35:03Speaker 2: This was Lakers fans.
- 35:04Speaker 5: The year after the Nuggets won the NBA title and
- 35:06Speaker 5: they went to LA and they beat the Lakers every time.
- 35:09Speaker 5: Remember when whenever Lebron was up for some award or milestone,
- 35:14Speaker 5: the Nuggets.
- 35:14Speaker 2: Would beat him. Remember that? So I did this and
- 35:18Speaker 2: the Nuggets win.
- 35:19Speaker 5: So the funny thing is, I'm in the arena, and
- 35:23Speaker 5: I would say more than half, not half, more than
- 35:26Speaker 5: half of the folks in the arena they want Lakers fans.
- 35:30Speaker 5: They were Lebron fans. They came from everywhere wearing Lebron jerseys.
- 35:34Speaker 5: And that's that's what the NBA is. The NBA is
- 35:38Speaker 5: an individual sport wrapped inside a team sport.
- 35:42Speaker 3: Texas says, this is why I hate Lebron. He thinks
- 35:44Speaker 3: he's bigger than the NBA, and the NBA caters to
- 35:46Speaker 3: that hang on hand, he is bigger than the NBA.
- 35:51Speaker 3: The commissioners admitted it like this isn't up for debate.
- 35:55Speaker 3: Lebron is bigger than the sport. When he's participating in
- 35:59Speaker 3: the sport, Lebron controls I don't think you guys quite understand.
- 36:04Speaker 3: Controlling the schedule is one thing because of your popularity.
- 36:08Speaker 2: Lebron controls the movements within the league.
- 36:12Speaker 3: His best friend owns a sports agency that has the
- 36:15Speaker 3: biggest talents in the league on it.
- 36:17Speaker 2: He owns a lot of levers that run there.
- 36:19Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, you can make the same case about a
- 36:22Speaker 5: lot of individual players on teams. Is Niccola Jokics bigger
- 36:26Speaker 5: than the Nuggets one hundred percent?
- 36:28Speaker 2: Yes. When you say bigger, define bigger.
- 36:31Speaker 3: If Nikola Jokics went to the front office and said,
- 36:33Speaker 3: you need to do this or I'm leaving, the Nuggets
- 36:35Speaker 3: would do it. It depends on what that is, I think.
- 36:40Speaker 3: But hang on, hey, I think we hesitate on that
- 36:44Speaker 3: because Jokics would never do it. If he was the
- 36:46Speaker 3: kind of guy who would, they would.
- 36:48Speaker 4: Actually, Yes, you're probably right, but there will come a
- 36:51Speaker 4: day when he's gone and the Nuggets will move on.
- 36:53Speaker 4: There's there came a day when Lebron moved on from
- 36:57Speaker 4: Cleveland twice and Miami and now La and all those
- 37:02Speaker 4: franchises still exist.
- 37:04Speaker 1: All right. How about this? Let me ask you this question, Vick.
- 37:06Speaker 5: If franchises don't fold because guys leave, they don't tire,
- 37:10Speaker 5: they don't fold, do they lose an immense amount of value?
- 37:15Speaker 3: The did the Cleveland Cavaliers become billions dollars less valuable
- 37:18Speaker 3: when Lebron left for Miami billions billions of dollars?
- 37:22Speaker 2: They did research on it. This was years ago, got
- 37:26Speaker 2: research in front of you. Oh hey, am, I I
- 37:29Speaker 2: didn't really know.
- 37:30Speaker 1: No, here, here was, here was the story and again.
- 37:35Speaker 5: Must be educated or not educating numbers.
- 37:39Speaker 3: When Dan Gilbert, who is the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers,
- 37:43Speaker 3: when Lebron James was a young twenty some year old
- 37:46Speaker 3: on the Cleveland Cavaliers, and it looked like he was
- 37:49Speaker 3: going to be a lifetime guy because he was a
- 37:50Speaker 3: hometown kid. If he wanted to sell the calves at
- 37:53Speaker 3: that time, it would have been worth x amount. When
- 37:57Speaker 3: he left and went to Miami, it was billions less
- 38:03Speaker 3: because the value of having Lebron James brings marketing up.
- 38:09Speaker 3: Of course, it brings ticket sales up, and it can
- 38:12Speaker 3: do that over the course of a decade.
- 38:13Speaker 2: You're you're absolutely correct.
- 38:15Speaker 4: I don't know if it's I guess maybe you have
- 38:17Speaker 4: some empirical data that says billion billions.
- 38:19Speaker 2: Anyway, get the break, man, Jesse. This guy's just mit
- 38:23Speaker 2: over here. Is just I don't have the way you
- 38:24Speaker 2: throw billions around like it's nothing. Ooh, look at me,
- 38:27Speaker 2: I do research.
- 38:28Speaker 5: You realize now that the Seahawks have sold for nine
- 38:31Speaker 5: point six billion, that means that there are several other
- 38:35Speaker 5: NFL franchises out there worth double digit billions.
- 38:38Speaker 1: Right now, The Cowboys might be worth twenty for all
- 38:40Speaker 1: we know, like.
- 38:41Speaker 2: The Broncos are already worth more than that.
- 38:43Speaker 5: Do you want in your stadium coming through and all
- 38:45Speaker 5: that when the Broncos build their stadium, they'll be worth
- 38:48Speaker 5: double that.
- 38:49Speaker 1: Simple yes or no? Quickly.
- 38:51Speaker 3: If Jerry Jones said the Cowboys are for sale twenty
- 38:53Speaker 3: billion dollars with somebody buy.
- 38:55Speaker 2: Them, I don't. I don't hang in that club. I
- 38:59Speaker 2: don't know who's got twenty billion dollars.
- 39:01Speaker 1: These investment firms that are buying everything.
- 39:04Speaker 3: Now, yeah, somebody would buy it probably, So three oh three,
- 39:07Speaker 3: five oh four h nine two five back after this, guys.
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- 40:20Speaker 1: All right, so I have the numbers by the way,
- 40:21Speaker 1: right right?
- 40:22Speaker 2: What down?
- 40:23Speaker 4: No?
- 40:24Speaker 1: No, no, you guys wait, I have the line I used.
- 40:27Speaker 2: That's a good line, wasn't it great line? No? I yeah,
- 40:30Speaker 2: your lines are your lines are getting better? No, what.
- 40:32Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Brett, I apologize. What I'm gonna write down.
- 40:35Speaker 4: I don't think I guess you Brett, you know Vic,
- 40:38Speaker 4: maybe you do know.
- 40:39Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 40:40Speaker 4: I'm not sure the people out there know unless they're
- 40:42Speaker 4: early birds. What it's like being on four seventy at
- 40:46Speaker 4: six thirty in the morning. I'm gonna start writing down
- 40:50Speaker 4: every day, what PA when I'm doing eighty two, what
- 40:53Speaker 4: passed me? Because today I got passed by a box truck,
- 40:58Speaker 4: and I got passed by a pickup trucking a Bobcat
- 41:01Speaker 4: and I'm doing picking to eighty three miles an hour
- 41:03Speaker 4: picking and they're like, pick up the space. I told
- 41:05Speaker 4: you I was doing like eighty four one day and
- 41:07Speaker 4: I got passed by a garbage truck.
- 41:08Speaker 2: I didn't even know that a garbage truck has that
- 41:11Speaker 2: much power in it.
- 41:12Speaker 1: Hang on hand on what I have the information?
- 41:15Speaker 4: Okay, please anyway, I'm gonna write that down every day.
- 41:18Speaker 4: We're gonna do a little moje update.
- 41:20Speaker 3: Franchise value in twenty ten, when Lebron left for the
- 41:23Speaker 3: Miami Heat, dropped one hundred and twenty one million dollars,
- 41:31Speaker 3: but judging.
- 41:32Speaker 6: For inflation, he said billions judging for inflation, billion billion
- 41:38Speaker 6: judging for inflation.
- 41:39Speaker 2: It's so bad.
- 41:40Speaker 3: It was a twenty seven percent decrease in franchise value.
- 41:45Speaker 2: I did that.
- 41:45Speaker 3: If you get it, if that happened today with what
- 41:48Speaker 3: they're worth, right, it would be close.
- 41:50Speaker 2: To a billion.
- 41:51Speaker 4: You said billion, A bill.
- 41:53Speaker 3: Yeah, billion, it would be close to a billion. Twenty
- 41:56Speaker 3: five percent decrease in franchise values.
- 41:59Speaker 4: A lot of value.
- 41:59Speaker 2: There's that was the Seahawks. That would have been two
- 42:01Speaker 2: point five billion dollars. You're right.
- 42:05Speaker 4: The thing about it is, though, is that with Lebron James,
- 42:08Speaker 4: right the second, is he forty two ye or he's
- 42:10Speaker 4: going to be forty forty okay, right this very second.
- 42:15Speaker 4: Teams want to sign him because they want him as
- 42:18Speaker 4: a player, no doubt. I mean, you know, his point
- 42:21Speaker 4: production still is over twenty so on. But they also
- 42:25Speaker 4: want to sign it because of everything that comes with it.
- 42:27Speaker 4: And listen, some teams want that camera in the locker
- 42:29Speaker 4: room every single day because they get all the money
- 42:33Speaker 4: that comes with it and all the sponsorship dollars and
- 42:36Speaker 4: all the everything.
- 42:37Speaker 2: I get that.
- 42:38Speaker 4: I totally dig it, which is why, all right, everybody's
- 42:41Speaker 4: courting him so much.
- 42:43Speaker 2: No player wielded.
- 42:45Speaker 5: As much power over the respective sports than one player
- 42:49Speaker 5: I think of right now, and that is Tiger Woods.
- 42:52Speaker 5: Heek Tiger Woods. When he was winning tournaments every other week.
- 42:57Speaker 5: He he was so influential in this to golf that
- 43:01Speaker 5: if he didn't play in your golf course, on your
- 43:03Speaker 5: in your golf tournament, he could potentially shut you down.
- 43:06Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened here.
- 43:08Speaker 4: One of the factors that led, not the factor one,
- 43:12Speaker 4: but one of the factors because they changed Brett. What
- 43:15Speaker 4: they did with the International, They changed the date on
- 43:17Speaker 4: it and I think they made it the week before
- 43:19Speaker 4: the British Open EGA Championship.
- 43:22Speaker 2: Is that what it was? Yeah?
- 43:24Speaker 4: And because of that, Tiger, who only played the International,
- 43:27Speaker 4: I think a couple of times he started to take
- 43:31Speaker 4: that week off to prepare for the PGA, to prepare
- 43:33Speaker 4: for the Major. And when Tiger Woods is not at
- 43:36Speaker 4: your tournament, dude, it sucked. I mean that, And that's
- 43:39Speaker 4: what we're talking Tiger in his heyday.
- 43:41Speaker 3: Economists estimate this accelerated growth spurred on by Tiger Woods
- 43:45Speaker 3: pumped an extra one point six billion into professional golf.
- 43:48Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it changed the sport.
- 43:49Speaker 5: It opened the door for a lot of golfers that
- 43:51Speaker 5: would never even think about playing golf. Agreed, it changes
- 43:54Speaker 5: sport like no other. I can't think of another sport.
- 43:57Speaker 5: I mean, who's that skateboarder guy to Hawk? Yeah right,
- 44:01Speaker 5: Tony Hawk did that to skateboarding. Can you give me
- 44:03Speaker 5: another sport? I don't know, give me something. Is there
- 44:07Speaker 5: another sport?
- 44:08Speaker 2: Tennis?
- 44:08Speaker 5: Tennis doesn't have a Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods was bigger
- 44:11Speaker 5: in golf than any individual in tennis.
- 44:14Speaker 2: Who's the who do you think I am? I am guy?
- 44:17Speaker 2: Did he do that for bowling? Bowling? I don't know.
- 44:19Speaker 2: I don't even know his name. Williams, Pete Williams, Pete, Pete.
- 44:23Speaker 4: Something, Pete Webber, Petee Webber. That wasn't Pete Webber, Dave Webber.
- 44:29Speaker 4: I think it's Pete Webber, Alan Weber.
- 44:30Speaker 1: Want you guys listen to Webber.
- 44:31Speaker 3: You guys will never understand this, But the popularity when
- 44:35Speaker 3: this first came out decades ago of Tony Hawk's It's
- 44:39Speaker 3: called Tony Hawk's Pro Skater is a video game. He
- 44:43Speaker 3: was offered five hundred thousand dollars flat to put his
- 44:46Speaker 3: name on the game, right, he turned it down. You
- 44:50Speaker 3: know how much that game made globally one point four
- 44:53Speaker 3: billion dollars skating game because he took a percentage instead
- 44:59Speaker 3: of a flat fe.
- 45:00Speaker 4: So it's like a guy storing in a movie or again, right, seeing,
- 45:03Speaker 4: I don't want a salary from the movie. I want
- 45:06Speaker 4: a percentage of the box office.
- 45:08Speaker 1: Correct.
- 45:09Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, there's there's only a few that can do
- 45:13Speaker 3: this stuff. Though, only a few, and it's just crazy
- 45:17Speaker 3: to me that he's one of the guys. Now, Oh,
- 45:23Speaker 3: we don't have enough time for this. Okay, we'll get
- 45:25Speaker 3: to it in just a second. In the meantime, there's
- 45:30Speaker 3: two pieces of audio from coaches, one of the college
- 45:34Speaker 3: ranks one of the pro ranks that I saw yesterday
- 45:37Speaker 3: that both had me cringing.
- 45:39Speaker 2: When did you see this? By the way, because I
- 45:40Speaker 2: was with you yesterday.
- 45:43Speaker 3: When I got home, I prepared for the show. Oh
- 45:46Speaker 3: you know, I went and saw my kids. I put
- 45:48Speaker 3: them to bed, I gave them a kiss. I said,
- 45:49Speaker 3: Daddy loves you very much. And then I went downstairs
- 45:52Speaker 3: and got the worst You know.
- 45:55Speaker 2: What I did after the show, or after we played golf.
- 45:58Speaker 1: What'd you do?
- 45:58Speaker 5: I told Chris, I said, let's have a nice sit
- 46:03Speaker 5: down dinner before we make the but you invited me to,
- 46:05Speaker 5: and I said, come on, I'm joining to, said a
- 46:07Speaker 5: nice sit down, and so Chris said, okay, let's go.
- 46:11Speaker 5: Nice sit down there. Chris Smith always like, what what
- 46:15Speaker 5: do you what do you think?
- 46:15Speaker 1: What do you think?
- 46:16Speaker 2: Like?
- 46:16Speaker 1: Not a steakhouse?
- 46:17Speaker 5: But you know when when when I know, I know Chris,
- 46:19Speaker 5: so he's thinking sit down, he's thinking.
- 46:21Speaker 2: You know, sort of bougie Dennis Den nice sit down.
- 46:27Speaker 2: Vic was seriously he was.
- 46:29Speaker 3: I said, I can't make it and get to my
- 46:31Speaker 3: kids for you go to bed, but thank you, and
- 46:33Speaker 3: Vic goes, no, I.
- 46:34Speaker 2: Want to go somewhere nice, Mario, look up somewhere nice
- 46:36Speaker 2: around here. We went the BUCkies.
- 46:41Speaker 4: Chris.
- 46:42Speaker 2: Chris is first time at BUCkies and I love BUCkies.
- 46:45Speaker 3: I mean the BUCkies around there, right, Yeah, it's unbelievable.
- 46:52Speaker 2: He had never been there. He had never been. So
- 46:55Speaker 2: he goes, what do you mean BUCkies? I go, oh, he.
- 46:57Speaker 1: Didn't even know what it was.
- 46:58Speaker 2: He didn't know it was. So we go in.
- 47:00Speaker 5: I said, dude, trust me, you'll thank me. L We
- 47:02Speaker 5: go in and he looks so out of place. He goes,
- 47:06Speaker 5: we go get our brisket burgers.
- 47:08Speaker 2: And he goes what do we do now? You eat?
- 47:11Speaker 2: He goes where in our car drive because there's no table.
- 47:19Speaker 3: You guys seen that movie The Founder about Ray Kroc
- 47:23Speaker 3: and McDonald's with Oh my god, why am I blanking on?
- 47:28Speaker 1: Michael Keaton?
- 47:28Speaker 2: Michael Keaton, correct, Yeah, it was really good.
- 47:30Speaker 3: It's a really good movie. But I never, I never,
- 47:34Speaker 3: obviously wasn't around for the drive in. Guy walks up
- 47:38Speaker 3: to your car, puts a little tray thing on the
- 47:40Speaker 3: side of your car, and that's where you eat.
- 47:42Speaker 2: We'll go to Sonic.
- 47:43Speaker 3: Sonic hasn't even they aren't even really like that.
- 47:47Speaker 2: They came out in roller skates.
- 47:48Speaker 1: I remember that.
- 47:49Speaker 2: Hey, a couple still do it.
- 47:51Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I pulled off, I said,
- 47:54Speaker 1: I said, nice.
- 47:55Speaker 2: Sit, We sat down and we ate in the car.
- 47:58Speaker 2: That BUCkies in the car. I'm gonna te for the
- 48:00Speaker 2: money I paid for all. It was on me. It
- 48:03Speaker 2: was on me. It's very nice. I took care of Chris,
- 48:05Speaker 2: my brother. Dinner was on me.
- 48:08Speaker 5: It was fifty seven dollars at BUCkies. No, but we
- 48:11Speaker 5: had multiple sandwiches.
- 48:13Speaker 2: Okay, so what was it.
- 48:14Speaker 5: I had two brisket sandwiches. I had some of those
- 48:18Speaker 5: flavored pecans.
- 48:20Speaker 2: Those are so good.
- 48:21Speaker 5: Yeah, beverage. Mario grabbed a couple of those briskets. Mario
- 48:25Speaker 5: can eat, Mario can throw down. I mean it's I say, guys, me,
- 48:30Speaker 5: don I got dinner. I got it, nice little sit down.
- 48:35Speaker 5: But and don't be above that. By the way, why
- 48:38Speaker 5: are you looking at.
- 48:38Speaker 2: Me like that?
- 48:39Speaker 3: You're looking at me like I'm I know, I'm kind
- 48:42Speaker 3: of shocked that a dinner at BUCkies cost fifty seven dollars.
- 48:46Speaker 2: I told you I spent a lot. We bought a
- 48:50Speaker 2: lot of stuff.
- 48:51Speaker 1: Oh I hear that. Now, That's what I was wondering.
- 48:53Speaker 2: But you know it's not above me. I know you would.
- 48:56Speaker 2: You would be living you kidd on the floor like
- 48:59Speaker 2: Bella Ridge.
- 49:00Speaker 1: Pretty cool course out there.
- 49:01Speaker 2: You know what I did last night?
- 49:04Speaker 4: I spent about a couple hours taking apart my robot
- 49:09Speaker 4: vacuum and cleaning it out.
- 49:11Speaker 2: That sucked well because you.
- 49:13Speaker 1: Have to do it because due.
- 49:16Speaker 2: Every axle on that thing had hair wrapped around it.
- 49:19Speaker 2: That would choke a hippo. You know what I do, I.
- 49:23Speaker 4: Could create a new dog with the amount of dog
- 49:26Speaker 4: here that was stuck inside my robot vacuum.
- 49:29Speaker 2: When my vacuum stops working, I buy another vacuum.
- 49:32Speaker 4: Yeah, well I dude, I'm not gonna blow. That's why
- 49:34Speaker 4: you can afford fifty seven dollars right anyway, you have
- 49:38Speaker 4: any moving parts are in a screws around robot did this?
- 49:42Speaker 2: It's it's insane.
- 49:44Speaker 3: I have audio that I need to play for you
- 49:46Speaker 3: because it's from a veteran coach who sounds like he's
- 49:49Speaker 3: brand new at the job and I don't get it.
- 49:51Speaker 1: We'll get to it next