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Nutrition, Hydration & Strength: Men’s Health Takeover Ep. 4 – Beyond the Pouch · Beyond the Pouch

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_04: The stoma, I skip, I walk, I run, I've done press-ups, I've run marathons.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_04: Well marathon, I'll I'll be training for others, but I run all the time, I weightlift at gym, I've never had an issue.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: The stoma, I can't handle any spice whatsoever.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: That is just liquid.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's different, everybody's body's different.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: And certainly people with Crohn's.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: What I can eat, someone else with Crohn's can't.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: So again, it's just take things steady.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Just eat little bits of things to try it.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: But there is absolutely nothing that having a stalmer will stop you doing.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's you that's stopping you doing it, not the stalmer.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_04: Right, welcome back to episode four of Beyond the Pouch Podcast, Men's Health Taking Over.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_04: Today we're going to be talking about nutrition, exercise, and diet, hydration and everything in between when it comes to stomas, stoma surgeries, and having a bag.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_04: So obviously, welcome back.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome back.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: Great to be back.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_04: Keith, Chris, Mo, how are we all doing?
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_04: Good, thank you.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_04: Very well.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_04: Feeling fit, feeling fresh as we go into this podcast?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, loving it.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: Hydrated.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: We're on the last and the fourth and the last one.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_04: Definitely hydrated.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_04: Cheers, everyone.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:17
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_04: So what I want to chat to you all about today, or we can go through this face like, yeah.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_04: Tell us a bit about your you know, your style of life with exercise, food, hydration, alcohol, beer reviews, things like this.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_04: So you also kick it off?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'll kick it off.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: Where do I start?
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: At the beginning.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay then.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: So um obviously, guys, I'm the oldest in the room.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: No, 64.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: 64 year old.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, not speed.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: What's your skincare routine, please?
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's natural, it's just water and soap.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: So um not only have I got um a stoma, but a few years ago I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes as well.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Which there's it's not really a downside.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: I've always possibly guessed I was gonna get type 2 diabetes because of my eating habits.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are shocking sometimes.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm a born snacker, I will eat crisps, sweets, chocolates, cake.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love cake.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um and inevitably I ended up with type 2 diabetes.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm a bus driver, so a lot of my job is sitting down.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I did read that um you could actually bring down the levels with a type 2 diabetes and get yourself back pre-diabetic.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: So I thought there's a challenge in itself.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I started eating more sensibly sensibly, sorry.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: Eating more sensibly, um, keeping myself fit.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: I walk a lot for charity anyway, and I'm doing loud, haven't you?
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: I have done since 2016.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: I've always been out walking or skipping or running now.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a runner.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_02: And um eating sensibly, like if I had a Sunday dinner, um I would have uh roast potatoes, boiled potatoes, do fumoirs.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: Loads of you know, um love that.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: But I would just have plates full.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just about eating in moderation, you know.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just one potato.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and uh and I've also learnt to um my my shifts are very awkward sometimes, you know, the time ins, but I do try and not eat after 6 pm at night.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh which is a lot easier for the diabetes because it otherwise it just stays with you.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: So let's go to the exercise.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um summer just gone.
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  SPEAKER_02: I decided to challenge myself to do couch to 5k.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Whoop whoop whoop whoop.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_06: That's a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the second time I've done it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I did it in 2019 and I completed the course, and after that I did one run.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I did one 5k run for Race for Life, raise some money.
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  SPEAKER_02: But after that, I just went back to walking.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I thought it's gonna be a lot harder this time.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what crazy?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't, it was a lot easier.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't get out of breath, I didn't hurt.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: I completed the nine-week course, and then last week, not not last week, the week before, I ran my first park run.
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  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations 38 minutes.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I was absolutely chuffed about that.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: You say, Well, that's what I say.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, with uh with keeping yourself fit, eating correctly, I honestly feel the fittest, healthiest I've ever been in my life.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: Love that, love that when you when you feel like that, it it just it lifts you up anyway.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: 100%, 100%.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: Love that.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I was gonna say, like, with food, you actually start to talk about shift work there, and that's quite interesting because you do shift work as well.
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  SPEAKER_04: So, what's your diet and food and food life like with a with a stomach and doing shifts?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh dreadful.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just is that just because of what you're eating in sweets, if you will, and custody sweets and stuff like that?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've always had issues with food though.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: I I would kind of say I wouldn't say I necessarily had an eating disorder, but I I certainly had issues with food.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of foods would have upset my stomach.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: To the point where I think, what's the point of eating?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: All it does is make me ill.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I I really kind of fell out of love with food.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I could go two, three days without eating anything.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Quite comfortably.
• 5:42
  unknown: Wow.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I'd drink a lot of water.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: But I would, I would go days, but then I'd gorge.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd like to do that.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: I need food, and then I would just eat loads and then be unwell.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was eating loads, and I hadn't eaten for three, two, three days.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: So of course that's your body's gonna be like, well, what's going on here?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: We've had nothing, now you're filling it up.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: So that would just put me off eating even more.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd just eat little bits and just kind of graze, if you like, rather than having proper meals.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: So and that still goes on now, really.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: I and I don't like eating in front of people, generally.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: That makes me feel really uncomfortable because I've got an issue in here where it gets stuck.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes the only way I can get rid of it is to make myself sick.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_04: I had no idea.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: So and it it'd be really bad.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd be sitting there having a conversation with someone, having dinner next minute and I'd I'm kind of choking on it because it's it's wedged.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is that to do with your phones and bits and bits?
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my esophagus is quite damaged.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right, okay.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because things get stuck in there, or in the tube going down there.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd have to excuse myself whilst choking, and or I'd drink water and think that'll flush it down, that wouldn't, it would come back out.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: So you sat at a table with people and all of a sudden you're spewing water everywhere because you're trying to be discreet and trying to unblock it, but the water's coming straight back out again.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: So then you're going off to the toilet to make yourself sick, and then you come back, your eyes are streaming from being sick, and I just thought it's just easier not to eat in front of people.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I do eat in front of people now.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: I've got better at it, but I'm always conscious of it.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: Always think in a minute now, something's gonna get stuck.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I've always had it to Alton.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I kind of have a like I love hate with food.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: I love cooking.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I love cooking.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: I do amazing barbecues.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh for my 50th this year, I did a huge chicken schwarm rotisserie on my barbecue.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like an invite, yeah.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: It was amazing.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it should have been.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Homemade burgers, I always make my own burgers.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I I love making food, but then on that day of the barbecue, that chicken schwama took four hours to cook because it was so big.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it everyone loved it.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so I get the enjoyment from food that way.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't eat that day, I didn't eat until 11 o'clock in the evening.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: I just didn't eat all day long.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: But what I got was enjoyment from seeing other people food eat.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: And eventually, once it got to 11 o'clock, and by this point, I'd had a few beers now.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: I thought, I'll have some food.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've I've done my cooking, I've done my bit, I I'll sit back and and relax.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: But in terms of everyday diet, I I'm rubbish.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: I really am.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: And working shifts, I sometimes I do make really nice lunches, and it work can be really busy, and I don't always get time to eat it.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally understandable, yeah.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it goes home and goes in the fridge, and then it ends up going in the bin.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: But then on nights, when I work night shifts, I'll make myself a nice dinner and we'll have a busy start to the shift, and it gets to sort of two o'clock in the morning.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of plateaus.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think we've got a quiet time now, but then I don't want it.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's two o'clock in the morning.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're right.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that lovely meal I've made would have been great at six o'clock in the evening, but two o'clock in the morning, it doesn't look so appetizing.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: So then I won't eat, or I just eat crisps.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's my weak areas, crisps.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_04: Do you find that doing shift work that like also impacts your output?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_04: So like it's not as regular.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_04: So like I'll eat I'll try and eat as regular cadence as I can, but like travelling recently, I've noticed being on planes eating at 1, 2, 3 am in the morning, you can't.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: Mine is um mine's pretty regular.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I have routines where I get up in the morning, um, I will go to the loo, I get to work, I would go to the loo, and then constantly I'm driving a bus, so every s every um terminus, which is about probably an hour away, is always a toilet.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm always using the toilet.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: So my bag is constantly empty and not about to cause me any problem.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just sticking to that all the time.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't find output any different any time of day.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't my problem is I don't have output as such, because I've also have slow bowel transit syndrome, which is what I'm waiting for surgery for.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: I can go, I can wear the same bag for six, seven days.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I will barely half fill it.
• 9:58
  unknown: Wow.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: Blame you.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I've tried all the the multitude of diets.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: I've tried them all, and nothing changes that.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: I've this slow bow transit, nothing improves that.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: So now I just get the hump and I'll just eat rubbish.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'd think, well, I've eaten all this healthy stuff, I've been eating it for months and it's not doing anything.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going back to a dirty kebab.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: But it's it we spoke about mental health and how that affects your diet as well.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: For me, I was just gorging on kebabs, crisp, on all this unhealthy stuff, which for for years I had removed it all from my diet.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: Even sugar, getting rid of all that.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: But now I'm in this state where I just don't care anymore.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just going at it hell for leather.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a crisp packet big enough.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um completely agree, my maybe we could get this podcast sponsored by a bacteria of some sort.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the the other day I was I was out with Leah and I said to Leah, do us a favour, we're in Sains with you.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: I said, pop down the crisp aisle, give me a six-pack of um Monster Munch, pick one on your monster munch.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Love Monster Munch.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: The crisp varieties every single one.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: They certainly are.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: So then we got back in my van and uh I said, pass is a packet of crisps.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: She said, A packet?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Yeah.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: She said, Oh, I'd I've got you the jumbo bag.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: She said, I thought you meant the big jumbo bag of Monster Munch.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was literally that big.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: I ate that by the time we got home.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Or just a menace with crisps.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and terrible.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I appreciate that you know, there are lots of different types of shoes.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: They're foods that you avoid.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_04: You're like, I can't have that because of my stoma, or that's going to cause me issues.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: So where before, you know, growing up Pakistani household, we're used to chili, it's in every dish that we make.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um but then once I had the stoma, I can't handle any spice whatsoever.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because the output is just liquid and it's just and it pretty much fruit to mouth.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: I've gone the other way.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've got to be.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: But before Stalman surgery, I couldn't even eat curried beans without sweating.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: And now I just love spice.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: I will have spice in anything.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: And I was never like that before.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: Pre-surgery, I'd I'd have spicy stuff and I was like, well, I know I'm gonna pay for this later.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: Like, this is gonna come out UC wise, really bad.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_04: Now I'm like, give me the hottest curry I have because I don't have a ring of fire anymore, so it couldn't be happy.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody is posting a lot more cocking uh videos as well.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm loving your cocking videos.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_04: Loving them.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_04: But it's just like the biggest thing for me with surgery was I said to my consultants, Am I still gonna be able to eat and exercise as I have done before?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_04: Because exercise is really important to me.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_04: Like, love the gym, run fitness, running, whatever.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_04: But eating is what I really enjoy doing.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_04: And they were like, You shouldn't have any issues.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_04: Just avoid some like things like whole mushrooms.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I've had blockages where I've eaten mushroom tagmiatelli, which tasted beautiful, and then it's stuck.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, cool, right?
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: Try and flush it.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_04: It still comes out whole.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: But there's like there's like some trigger foods where you're like, corn won't touch.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_04: A little bit nervous about that.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_04: Even when I got to like we were in um uh Barley on Honeyon the other day, we went to this beautiful restaurant, and they gave us this whatever dish it was with ingredients I've never heard of.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I was eating it going, this is rock hard, this is going to cause a big blockage.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_04: So I'll eat little bits and just politely give it to my wife.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: So can you finish that?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_04: Because I feel really bad that they've spent hours doing it.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_04: But that was always the trigger bit for me having surgery was that I may not have it if I can't eat or exercise the way I currently have.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'll be like, right, just give me more drugs then, and I'll then carry on and I'll just lump, I'll just live and bear with it.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_04: So, what's it been like with if we go to like more of the exercise side of things or fitness health side of things, how has having a bag impacted your life that day?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's impacted yours in a positive sense.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um like I say, with a stormer, I skip, I walk, I run, I've done press-ups.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: I usually hurt myself when I do everything.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: You said you're injured earlier and your wife did laugh.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, she's used to it.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: But it doesn't actually stop you doing anything.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I've um two of my mates took me up um Pennavan, something I would never have done before.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Gone a Pennyvan.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: Did you in less than an hour, not showing off or nothing, but did you in less than an hour, absolutely loved it.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but there is absolutely nothing that having a stormer will stop you doing.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's you that's stopping you doing it, not the stormer.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Just take it easy.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh like I say, it um being fit and healthy is so important to everybody.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: If you can't go out and run 5k or walk 5k, open your back door, go to the end of the garden and come back.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: Do that a couple of times a day.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: You're keeping your body moving.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the most important thing.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: Keep your body moving.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: Were you giving any advice post-surgery then?
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_04: Like here's here's your I've got to be honest, I was don't.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_04: Here's your pamphlet, and I hated it.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: Pick a cat blood, that's supposed to be a little bit more.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like too heavy.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_04: Don't do this, don't do this, but all the pamphlets I got were of very elderly people.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_04: And I looked at it going, that's not me though, is it?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_04: Like I I can understand why they may not like that person, he looks like he's going to break.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like me turning the page is gonna break.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_04: So, like, what advice were you giving from your stoma nurses and care practitioners?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think I was.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't remember.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, I really don't think I was given any advice on on exercise.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I just carried on living, really.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: I just got got a life back.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_04: Because for your obviously for your work, you've probably well uh now you've you're in a a different area with your work, you probably were still running around after people stuff like that.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_04: You need a level of physical fitness to restrain people and stuff like that.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, I I still have to try and keep fit to a degree.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: And every year we have to reclass classify and I have to do the bleep test every year.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Which I always get through, and that's a mental thing is I'm getting through this bleep test because I like my job, yeah, and there's youngsters near me that I'm not gonna let beat me, so I'm running against them, and I'm a sergeant.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, give them a quick trip.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And they're you know, they're PCs, and I'm a sergeant, and I think I can't not do this, this will not look good.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I will push through because I do have you're right in what you're saying, Keith.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: A stoma doesn't stop you.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: You can do everything you want and you can absolutely achieve everything.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: But I I just sound like a walking nightmare, don't I?
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: I also have fibromyalgia and I have arthritis.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I can't run.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: I like running.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I used to love running as a kid, I used to love long distance running, but I can't do it anymore.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: I tried recently, but my knees and my spine are in agony.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: I said, but I can walk, but I can't walk long distances because I'm in agony.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: So those things that I used to enjoy, those I can't do, but that's not because of the stomach, it's because of other issues.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now, some of those issues might have been caused by the Crohn's disease, because it's well renowned with Crohn's disease, you can end up with arthritis and joint problems.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I was still at work, I do walk around the custody suite a lot if we're busy, going backwards and forwards down to cells and what have you.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I try.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Pause for the cameras when 24 hours in police custody are filming.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I do try, but there are times when I I can't.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I was discussing this with Mo outside where I just cannot walk.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And if we go on holiday, there were times when it was so bad I had a walker that I'd use and I'd have to stop and sit down.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Rachel's always like, We're going here, it's gonna be a bit of walk-in.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Let's take all the painkillers we've got just to try and get me through that so I could enjoy it with the family.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, in terms of exercise, that exercise is painful, it hurts.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't do it, but I kind of stay active in other ways.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I understand.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I certainly try and keep the mind active, and where I can I will walk.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I said to Mo when we were chatting outside, I work a four-on-four off shift button, and when I finish that four days on or four twelve hour shifts, my first rest day, I'm in bed all day because my body really is.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_04: But also twelve hours on working, that's not a normal shift button.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_04: That's tiring generally.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_04: If you don't have four days, like that's so understandable.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: Plus hard.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_04: Plus all your you know, your your current health ailments and stuff like that.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_04: You're gonna be exhausted, right?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: You go morning to night.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: So we do two day shifts.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: So my day shifts are half six in the morning till half six in the evening.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then my day shift my night shifts are half six in the evening till half six in the morning.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: So two days, two nights.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Throws your body clogged up as well, yeah.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it does.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: And going back to the eating, it it just wrecks your eating habits, you know, because y we don't have breaks.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're supposed to, but sometimes we just don't have time.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and like I say, if I've had a like a busy first six, seven hours, and then I get that kind of lull period in the night, I just don't want to eat.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, I just think I can't be bothered to eat.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you go past it, which is wrong, but I can't force myself to eat.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I've tried that and I'm eating it thinking, I just want to get rid of this, and it it it goes in the bin.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I take home so many dinners that I don't eat, and then that has a knock-on effect for them on rest days.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I like, like I say, I love cooking.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: I do the majority of cooking at home, but I like seeing other people eat.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I kind of like I say I've with the slow bowel transit, I've done tried to eat all the healthy stuff, doesn't work.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: I eat the unhealthy stuff, doesn't work.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I just think what's what's the point?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's that's kind of my story with nutrition and exercise, really.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_04: I mean I was gonna say with with yourself, mate, you said um in the last podcast like about your your leg and all those sorts of things.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um and obviously you've had like surgery with your stomach.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_04: Here been things that have been harder for you after after those surgeries with with exercise and getting around?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, exercise was important before surgery.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um and when I came out of surgery, having been told you could just walk this off, so I was like, okay, let's go with it.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was I thought that's the same as you, you know, feel the pain, that's part of progressing.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: No pain, no gains, or anything, yeah.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: Very much so.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I loved yoga more than anything else.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I really enjoyed, and I thought that's what I'll lean into.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: I remember going to yoga sessions and my back was just so sore, I was in more pain than I was in before.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I kept going and I kept going, and my wife was just saying, You need to stop this.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's causing more issues, you're in more pain, more discomfort.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um so then basically when I went into Queen's Hospital, they said you've got nerve damage.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so I was like, Right, let's see how far I can take this.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Start walking, I start much like you, ten minutes or and then I just wouldn't be able to walk anymore.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: To the point now where I'm in a wheelchair to get me round long distances.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's hard, it's hard accepting that because the exercise you do it fuels you with the dopamine you get that feel good factor, yeah.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I what Keith says you kind of do what you can uh to bridge that gap.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: But I would I would love to be able to do that.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: And go back.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Back to doing yoga, cycling, and all the rest of it.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: But it's just not possible anymore.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm still kind of finding my way around this as too.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because unfortunately, as years have gone by, my mobility has worsened, the pain that I'm in has increased.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I then need to kind of factor in, right, what can I do, what can't I do?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: Where are those quick wins?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I it it it changes on the time.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: Wake up in the morning, I feel fine, I could probably walk to shops and back.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: And there's other days where I'm just laid up in bed, I'm in so much pain.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um I just can't get out of bed and roll over or anything.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Mine's mine's more of a neurology issue rather than the the the stoma itself.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, no, it makes sense.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_04: Again, thank you for letting us know with that, because again, uh we've talked about mental health stuff, but even that must be really quite challenging as well, right?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it it is it it I d worst off, I don't want my family to see me in pain.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: So y you you when I need to be in bed, I'll just be in bed with a cover over my head and just shut off the world.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's other days where I can go out with them, and it might be in the wheelchair just to take them to the park or run into town, walk the dog, um but you just find ways around it.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_04: And we were we you shared a story about travelling down to to podcasts today and and and going through.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: And it was something that we left our hotel room and we came over here, and Chris and I were both like with my Mo's in his his mobility chair, and we sat there going, I've never experienced the world in through this lens because I was like, This is the way we're gonna go, and we both were going, Well, there's an immediate obstacle, we've got to do this, we've got to do that.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_04: And there were so many bits where as we were walking through, I was feeling for Mo like, I've got to we don't have to cross the road because that car's parked in the wrong place.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_04: We you've got to step on something because you can't go over that.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, mission it was totally different.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, honestly, and then your story about the train journey.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just coming up here was just an absolute nightmare.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because you I think when you're traveling through public transport, you're reliant on someone else.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, the the gap between the platform.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was in Paddington, I was supposed to have someone there that will take me off the train, um give a ramp, so they could bridge that gap between the train and the platform, and they weren't there.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to get off at the next stop, which wasn't wheelchair friendly, but I could get over it.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I have to find my way back to Paddington, but I still faced the same obstacles I was before, and it added all in all these these issues that kept arising, a lift was broken, so I had to wait to find a way around that.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um all of these I missed my train because of all of those factors, like now I've got to go to the ticket office, explain that to them, then go back to Great Western, explain it to them.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um and it added about two hours onto my journey.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: Just waiting around as well.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_04: You were waiting for people, like literally, can you go get the ramps too?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: I was taken from a point from Paddington to there was a cost of coffee, and I was told, right, wait here, someone from Great Western will come and see you.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Twenty minutes go by, nothing.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm looking, I'm looking, and I go, do I go that way to where that lady went and asked for help again?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: But that means going down to the platform and they might miss me.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Or do I go towards what I think is where I need to be, but I'm not entirely sure.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: So you you you had your bets, I decide to stick, chapters come eventually, told him I've missed my train, they've gone, you need a new ticket.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: I've gone, okay, fine, I'm not sure.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we appreciate that.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I was talking to my wife last night, and it almost brought me to tears because I was thinking, why does it have to be so difficult?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Just to get from A to B.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_04: And it's not it like it's just crazy.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_04: Like, transport companies sort it out.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_04: Like, really simply sort it out.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_04: There was a a saving race though.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_04: There was someone uh in the wells side of things who actually got the train driver to be able to do it.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're amazing.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: They managed to do that.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_04: He couldn't do enough for you, so yeah.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: He was fantastic.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: There are lots of I know there are lots of people on social media who use wheelchairs who are campaigning for better things to happen with trains, you know, and assistance to be there when they need it.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: Well, even just not on the transport thing.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_04: The whole point of why we're doing this is physical disabilities or more more sort of seen disabilities, etc.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: Having a stone bag is invisible, so still like advocating for like disabilities, all those sorts of things is really important because again, access just generally to toilets, stuff like that, especially when I've been running or if I've gone or I'm eating something and I get a blockage or whatever it might be, I need to use an accessible toilet.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not men's toilets are not the cleanest of cases, let's be honest.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was in the Millennium's uh centre last night, and um yeah.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know?
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Even after all these years, I still use the the accessible toilet, but then like I went in and I came out, it was the interval, and it's like a massive coup of people waiting for the other toilets, and you just feel like everybody's just looking at you too.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: They're not looking at you, we just feel everybody's looking at you, you know.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's um I still use it, yeah, I wouldn't stop using it.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um I need to explain to anyone.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, not at all.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: Not at all.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: They are called accessible toilets for all reasons, they're accessible to everyone.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: But some people still have that mindset of why are they in there, you know?
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_04: Well, look, like I mean, it it this sort of links or sort of segues into sort of the next point.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: We're talking about hydration, going to the toilet, all those sorts of things.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: Again, he picks up his glass at the perfect opportune moment.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_04: How have you found managing your hydration post-surgery?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_04: Because I will be really honest, I was so naive to this, right?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, duh, dumb.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you haven't got colon anymore, Ran.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_04: It does.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it doesn't matter.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: And I was just going about everything as normal, and it's only really the last two years where I've really started to notice like when my hydration levels drop, like I get really depleted of energy, and I'm like, whoa, I'm getting a bit lightheaded.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_04: I've not drunk enough water.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: I learned the hard way.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I was working a shift, driving my bus, and it was a 10-hour shift, and it was very early in my um ostomy journey, and I remember my bag started um just watery output.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: So obviously I had a blockage somewhere, and I didn't really understand about blockages.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: If you've got a blockage in your stoma, it will just let the fluid pass the blockage.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: So you're having a bag full of fluid, right?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: And this started happening, so every chance I got I pulled in somewhere whenever I could and used the toilet, emptied the bag.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: Now this went on for 10 hours.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: I got back to the depot, I pulled on to the fueling station, and I said to the guy that was there, I said, Do you know what?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: I I really don't feel well.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, guys, he just laughed.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: I drove, I parked the bus up, I walked a short distance to the paying in room, and I collapsed on the floor, totally dehydrated.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: Luckily, one of my colleagues came out of the toilet, found me on the floor, phoned an ambulance, and I spent the next six hours in the ambulance outside the hospital, just emptying my bag constantly into one of these trays.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, wow.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then I got inside, the the doctor uh they put a drip on me, and the doctor's talking to me now, and he's squeezing the bag.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: I said, What are you doing?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: He said, I gotta get these fluids into you so dehydrated.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: So I learned a lesson from that, and the lesson was if I wake up in the morning to go to work and my bag is watery, I stay home.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, simple as that.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: I phone in sick, I stay home, and as much fluid as coming out, I put back in, obviously, with um solutions and how to get the salts back in me.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: But them don't go running off to surgery like I um sorry, uh e like I used to, because all they're gonna do is rehydrate you and send you back home.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just about replenishing that you know, what you're losing.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_04: I had a similar experience when I came back from skiing.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um I think I got noravirus because we I went to KFC and stupidly, we shouldn't do this anyway.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_04: I'm eating there are other there are other fast food things available.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_04: I was eating some uh fried chicken and uh it fell on the table and I just picked it up off a table and ate it in a service station.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, Well that's not gonna make me very well, is it?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: And my wife was like, What are you doing?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, I'm just so hungry, I don't care.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: Then I got really ill and similar thing, went to AE.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_04: I was passing loads and loads of water out of my stoma, I had a blockage, went in, and the doctor was like, You've got acute kidney failure, we need to get you like hydrated ASAP.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, What?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_04: No, I've been drinking water.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's like you're you're gonna like that, mate.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you're not drinking it, or you're not sipping it, you're just shoving it down, hoping that's gonna hydrate.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's like that's gonna have the opposite effect.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_04: You need to sip and drink this and have this.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, Oh.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh right, okay, fair enough.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's why it's not working.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: You learn the lessons the hard percent, but these are the lessons.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean hydration is so key.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it is key.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_04: And now I'm gonna talk about dehydration, because we have a beer connoisseur in our myth.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_04: Do we?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_04: We do.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_04: We have an individual who is who is very keen on beer and alcohol.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_04: And I I say that in a sense, he's he's not like an alcoholic.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: He's not a new project.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_04: He enjoys it, he does some fantastic beer reviews.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_04: You haven't done it, shameless plug into your channel.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_04: But obviously, having stoma, alcohol.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_04: How have you found it?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what are the challenges you see?
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well when it comes to hydration, I'm that's something I'm really good at.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and I've always been good at it.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm now gonna drink.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: You have some water while I talk.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I've always drunk lots of fluids right from a kid.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: I've my grandmother used to say, God help us when he can drink beer, how quick he drinks.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I've always been a fan of fluids.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: So water i is not an issue.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: I d I do drink uh easily two litres of water a day.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's not a problem.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I like really like fizzy water.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I've always got at work three or four bottles of fizzy water, and I get through those, and then I'll drink more water when I get home.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: Always take a bottle of water to bed.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I have to get up in the night to go for a pee a couple of times a night.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when you do the bag anyway, you have to enter your bag in the night.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I always have a drink.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like why why am I getting up in the middle of the night?
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's weird, isn't it?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: It just happens, isn't it?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's just weird.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden we'd become old and have to get up and go for a wee in the night.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: So when I get up to go for a wee, I'll drink water.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so yeah, I I have no issues with that.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and I think that whilst I have slow bow transit, I think if I didn't drink as much fluid as I did, it that would be a whole lot worse.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it'd probably slow even more.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it would.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: It would slow right well, it would just stop, really.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I have no issues with hydration.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I like I like drinking.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and I like a beer.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: I like a beer.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: So yes, uh I review beers on YouTube.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: Chris's beer reviews.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: I can my favourite beer at the moment, my favourite beer was last night at Beer Wii, because I was with good company.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, stop it.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_04: Stop it.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'll buy him another beer, it's fine.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to bottom me up on a podcast.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's always my best beer.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm having a good time, if some if I'm having a good time and I'm having a beer, that's the best beer.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, look, it was just the anti-tautal side of that.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but yeah, I I do drink beer uh and I review beer on YouTube, as as we've said, and there's so many beers out there, there's millions.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I I just like sharing that with people.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: I've got this beer from this country or wherever, whatever brewery.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the I got onto that journey because I used to drink m what we call mainstream beers.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Years ago, I used to drink things like Stella.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: And Rachel always said to me, Those beers are not helping your stomach.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd deny it.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: I thought, no, no, no, no.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: And in the end, I thought, you know what?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: She could be right.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I stopped drinking them and things did improve.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: But then I thought, I can't give up beer.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't make it clear, I'm not an alcoholic.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to do it.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to review it.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I looked at what the ingredients are in these mass-produced beers, and it's bad news.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I went on this journey of finding quality-made beers and found there's amazing beers out there that taste incredible, that are far better than this rubbish that we get mainstream.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's what led to me doing the beer review channel.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I now need to share these beers with everybody else.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I I do drink beer.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't drink to get drunk, I drink because I like beer, I like to review it.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the pleasure and sitting with friends having a beer, you know, you can sit with friends and drink water and still have a great time.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely you can.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: But if I you know, if I've been out for the evening and I've had a few, then I really make sure that I'm drinking lots of water when I get home.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: And as soon as I get up in the morning, I'm drinking a lot more water again just to flush that, flush that through.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, especially like anyone who's who's got like stomachs or necessarily IBD as well, it's all about the rehydration side of things, and that's like, you know, I love a good beer, I love a good glass of wine.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_04: I I love it, sit back, winter's here now.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't got a fire, but if I want to put one on, I'll have some red wine, just oh kick back, mate.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: Couldn't be happier.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: But then I've got a screensaver.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's not as warm though, do you know what I mean?
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_04: Still see their freeze.
• 36:17
  unknown: Yeah.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_04: Cup of tea.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but exactly.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's then that side of going, right, rehydrate.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's really important, and especially for someone who who hasn't had stoma surgery yet or is thinking about stoma surgery, you can still go out and have a great time.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: You will still get hangover.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: A stoma will not solve that.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_04: But it's about the rehydration side of things.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_04: And like you've got to be really quite careful with it, which I I have known to my own.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Anyone tried those effescent tabs that you put in the room?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: Loads and loads of tablets and things.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_04: There's loads on the market.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_04: There's there's so many.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Some are better than others.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: I like the um St.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: Mark solution.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: You can make it.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: So when you make yourself, yeah, Jane tends to make it from you and put it in the fridge, it's lush.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: And it really works, you know.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: So just Google it.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's load there's there's loads of St.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_04: Mark solution.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: The bottom line is if you've got a stoma a bit of closetomy or an eolostomy, you've got to stay hydrated.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Or it's bad news.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: Hydration is so important.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Lemon water.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, lemon water.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_04: Definitely nice one.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's I like how we've got a full circle.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_04: What's your favourite beer at the moment?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, lemon water.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's an old drinking glass water.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, anti-total as well.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, anti-total and I watch his beer reboot.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, does that work?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's for the person.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just watch a new Chris.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Just watch it.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_04: Lucky when you're doing it, and you're like, I've already drank half of it, sorry.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_04: I'll taste it again for you, everyone.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_06: Where's it all gone?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_04: If you were um like uh I'd just just I'd like to ask a question in terms of like if you're returning to exercise after surgery.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_04: Like all of you have done like different things, you've obviously gone on five couch to five couch to K, that doesn't matter.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_04: Couch to five K, thank you.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'll put my teeth back in.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yours at your journey's been slightly different, but like if someone has had surgery and they were like, right, I want to get back to exercise, I want to either get back into running or weightlifting, that's quite key.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like, don't lift the kettle or what advice would you give someone in that space?
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think it goes back to what we said earlier when we you know when you talk about the intimacy podcast we did, take your time, yeah.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: Everything slow time, take your time, build things up, make sure you're recovered before you start anything.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um don't don't overdo it, don't push yourself.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: Don't set yourself targets that you're gonna be stupid to try and achieve.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: Support, if you've got a stoma, support your stoma area, and I mean this the area behind your stoma.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_04: So like getting a hernia support belt sort of thing.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: 100%, yeah.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because I was all I was ever told when I left hospital was don't this was 13 years ago, don't lift anything heavier than a kettle.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: A few weeks later I started sneezing, coughing, didn't hold my stoma area and supported, and I've got a hernia.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: The only good thing is that I found a fantastic belt that keeps it at bay, and with the help of this belt over the last 12-13 years, I've avoided more surgery.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe later in life I may have to have more surgery, but whatever you're doing, any type of exercise, support your stomach.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: Because once you get um a hernia, it is bad news, trust me.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's interesting because I've had sort of very similar and the opposite, where I've had surgeons say to me, You need a support belt straight away.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: And I've had other surgeons go, No, you've you're actually quite strong.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_04: You build up your strength, like you may not need it.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I think really the key is like finding out what's gonna work for you.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_04: If you need if you feel like you need to get a belt, get one.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_04: But see what's available, see what's available through prescription.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I'd really recommend if you're gonna get one.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_04: Get measured.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_04: Like the ones you can buy off the shelf or buy off Amazon or wherever, like they're not gonna be necessarily tailored to your needs.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: The ones they I don't know what brand it is, but they'll come to your home.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: They're through the stomach.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: So they'll come to your home, they'll measure it, they'll tailor it.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um your little curves and where it kind of might dig in takes about six weeks.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: And you could get I think you get two every year.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_04: I've I've got I've got a belt company that that do this and they'll come and measure me, and they're quite good.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_04: They'll ring and just say, like, still working, everything all right, you need to change and those sorts of things.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's like everything else.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: There's so much out there.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's a main field.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: If you find a if you find a product that works for you, fantastic, stick to it.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: But it is like a main field.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: But if you can get stuff through the NHS, stone nurses are there to signpost you.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um do it, there's no harm in it.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: And if it doesn't work, then you don't use it.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_04: I think as well, it it we'll go we we a lot of this really is mind games, right?
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_04: And how you mentally see things.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_04: So we talked about it with intimacy, we've talked about it with mental health, we talked about it with newly diagnosed.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_04: When you're exercising, a lot of that actually, the first mental barrier is gonna be the hardest thing to overcome.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_04: Like the first run you do, the first time you do weightlifting.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because you're gonna be worried, oh hang on, is that gonna feel right?
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_04: Does that feel right?
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_04: Is that a new lump or is that an outcome of it?
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's uh that'll be the biggest thing.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_04: Because it's I I've said it to a couple of people that have asked me, like, are you always going to the gym, man?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what did you do after surgery?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, start slowly, like lift what you feel like you can and just listen to your body.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like it doesn't really change, even if you have a bag or not have a bag.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's what's going to work for you at this moment in time.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_04: And if it works, great.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_04: If you want to increase your weights, do it.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_04: But you have to find out for yourself.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_04: 100% simple.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_04: And that's harder for some than others, obviously.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes I forget my stomach's there.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: The other day, I went into the shed and I had to pick up this quite large pressure washer, but I had to lift it over something.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: And as I lifted it, I thought, oh, that hurt.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, if I'll just give myself a hernia or put that back down, got my son to come again.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Too easy to forget.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just completely forget it's there sometimes.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, is it as easy as that just to get a hernia?
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: It can be.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: It can be.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: I I didn't realise confidence sneezing.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's all that did it for me.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: And the hernia started, but it luckily I found um a hernia support belt that worked for me online.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I have two of them on prescription every year, and they are absolutely fantastic.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I swear by them.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Just check out my channels, they're on there.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_04: To l to alleviate fears of people listening to us, like, oh my god, if I have stoma surgery, I'm automatically gonna get hernia.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_04: The answer is no.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_04: I've not had a hernia.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_04: My dad had a hernia, he doesn't have a stoma, he's had a hernia from coffee and sneezing.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_04: So it's all like what how your body is, but because you've had abdominal surgery, that's where the increased risk is.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_04: And that's where you just got to be that little bit careful.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_04: Like, um, I've run marathons, well, marathon, I'll I'll be training for others, but I run all the time, I weightlift, I gym, I've never had an issue.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_04: And touch wood without ruining the the microphones.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_04: I will that'll hopefully continue.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_04: But it's about learning what works for you.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but as Keith said, it's being sensible, isn't it?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_04: Got to be sensible.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_04: Because you're not gonna go straight out of surgery and then do something like tear your stitches.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no, you might actually.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's another podcast.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, is there anything else that you would give as advice to people that are thinking about food, thinking about hydration?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_04: I think the problem with food is chew everything.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, don't eat like a duck and go like that.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_04: Because that that won't work.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: And um I kept a food diary which you know to save people's blushes about Bringing food over and why I couldn't m eat it.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: I just shared it amongst the family and just said, you know, these are the foods that I can eat, these are the foods that I can't.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Trial and error, things will move around.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: And that's just allowed us as a household to probably sp waste less.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um so the kids might have their food extra spicy and I might just choose to have it mild.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: Or you know, aunties and uncles that bring food over.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be like, right, you could have that, I'll have this.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_04: I think if you're nervous as well in this space, like again for for for for listeners and watchers, like have a talk with your stoma nurses because they'll give you hopefully because mine did, mine gave me quite a detailed plan of don't you can have coleslaw, but if there's hard bits of cabbage, avoid.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_04: Like mushrooms again, avoid.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like if you're having things where you've got like tough exterior fibrous skins on things, like just think about it.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like if you want it, mush it up or blitz it or do something, but go and get the expert advice from them.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's probably the key bit, and you'll then a lot of it then becomes trial and error.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_04: And you may get a blockage.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's happened to me a couple of times.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: It does happen.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_04: And I've had food all the time where I shouldn't get a blockage, but I just haven't really eaten it properly, and I've just shoved it in and hope for the best, and I've gone, oh, that's going to cause me problems later.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_04: Which does happen, but as part of life, right?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: But on the positive side, I love food.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, he doesn't.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_04: I really love food.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_04: It's something that honestly, um Saturdays and Sundays, I'll go, right, I'll go to the butcher, I'll go get some meat or something, or I'll find a recipe like, right, that's what I want to do.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: I want to cook.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_04: Love it.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_04: I just want to sit there a couple of hours, make something, and just oh, just love it.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_04: I might have to do, I might have to start a channel, I might have to start doing it.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_04: Keep those videos coming, mate, because I've been watching them.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_04: Well my mate, my mate said to me the other day, he was like, it's really interesting watching you cook, because I can't see any food.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, You're standing there doing this, and he's like, Where's the food?
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, yeah, good point.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_04: Good point.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna have to probably get a you know, get a GoPro cram or something or something to actually film it, it's do a different setup.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_04: Before we wrap it up, favourite food?
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, lasagna.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, good choice.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Mrs.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_04: does a bang and lasagna.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_04: Excellent.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll be over later.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to his for a barbecue.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, it's a bit windy and cold today, so I'd do barbecues all the time.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_04: Do an indoors?
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Set of fire alarms on.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Cheer, you one?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I I difficult to say a favourite food.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I haven't got one.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Should we go barbecue for now?
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I'm pretty good at I like my barbecue food.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: What's your favourite barbecue thing to cook then?
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: The the rotisserie chicken schwam is epic.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: My pulled pork is epic.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_04: However, I'm salivating too much made a bit.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Beer canned chicken's really good.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's fantastic off a barbecue.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but one of my favourites that I do is a low and slow shoulder of lamb with garlic, anchovies, capers.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: You should have put this in the intimacy podcast.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Herbs.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: Cover it with like a nice garlic butter.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: And those anchovies and the capers melt into the meat.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Chris will put all of the links to the recipes in the comments.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Can I change my answer to that?
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_04: And it is fantastic.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: What about flavour?
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you follow that?
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: Chips?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: Chips.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: Chips.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: Chips.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'd have chips with everything.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'd have chips for breakfast, so you're not that good.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: No, I absolutely love chips.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: Excellent.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: You'd love chips, Gifts.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love chips.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I I I do like meat.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: I I like lamb, chicken, pork, beef.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: I like them all.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: But I love chips.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: Chips.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so we leave it there, chips.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_04: It's gotta be it's gotta be anything that's What's yours?
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_04: Oh like love seafood.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_04: Do you like seafood?
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_04: But then all the stuff you just said, anything low and slow, lamb, like meat, like oh like I I think at the weekend I did a lamb shank a couple of weeks ago.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_04: Last few hours in the oven.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_04: Just beautiful.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_04: Love seafood.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_04: Should we wrap up and get some food?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_04: We think so.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_04: That's good.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you very much, everyone, all of you for listening.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's gonna end our small series from Beyond the Pound from Men's Takeover, Men's Health Takeover.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you all for joining.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, everybody, for listening.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's been an absolute pleasure.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's been world class, hasn't it?
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's been great fun.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_02: If I could sit with you guys just once a week and just chill.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we'll just do a teams, shall we?
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: It would be absolutely fantastic.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: Who doesn't like Teams?
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uh lots of people, because I love my yeah, Zoom or other things.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_04: Teams always go wrong with you.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: You need your uh tech advisor with you.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe we should add another podcast, tech advisor.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think so.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, guys, thank you so much.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_04: And most importantly, get talking men because we want to see more people out there talking about this domain, IBD mental health, everything.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_04: This is what this is all about.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_04: Getting men talking.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_04: Please talk.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_04: So there you go.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_04: Right, until next time.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much, everybody.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_04: Take care.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: See you soon.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.