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Prayer Unfiltered: Is Praying Out Loud More Powerful? · The Father's Business Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: So, Elizabeth, another element of praying out loud, sometimes it seems to be more powerful in the realm of spiritual warfare.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that true?
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for throwing me the softball questions, Kimberly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do I believe that a spiritual warfare prayer prayed silently is not as strong as one out loud?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I have no basis for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the same time, when we find ourselves in a place of spiritual warfare, sometimes we need to hear ourselves say it out loud.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey friends, I'm Kimberly.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Elizabeth, and this is the Father's Business Podcast, born out of Sylvia Gunter's heart for people to know who God is and who they are in him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So wherever you're listening from today, we pray that you will sense his nearness and know that you are his beloved sons and daughters.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're really glad you're here with us today.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, welcome everybody to this week's podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're continuing our series, Prayers Unfiltered, where Kimberly and I are having a conversation about some of the questions that you've suggested us.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: And today's question, it might be a little bit of a part two from last week, but it was asked.
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  SPEAKER_00: Last week was Does God hear silent prayer?
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  SPEAKER_00: We also have received a few questions about is praying out loud better?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it more powerful?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why do we pray out loud?
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  SPEAKER_00: So this week we're going to be talking about praying out loud.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: And if you need to go back and listen to last week's episode, in that episode, we talked about how God does hear our silent prayers, that he knows our thoughts and our hearts, that he's with us.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: We looked at some examples from the Old Testament and the New Testament about how people did not pray out loud and God did answer them and how Jesus read the thoughts of the Pharisees and the disciples.
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  SPEAKER_00: So go back to last week if you missed out on the first part of this conversation.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: There is one more example in the Old Testament that we did not talk about last week that I that I thought about, which is in Nehemiah.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: And it's very quick, it's like half a sentence, but in Nehemiah 2, the king said to Nehemiah, What are you requesting?
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is Nehemiah's writing this.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it says, The king said to me, What are you requesting?
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  SPEAKER_00: And then he said, So I prayed to the God of heaven and I answered him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's that just quick beat of, I don't think Nehemiah stopped, and it's not recorded in scripture that he stopped and prayed a prayer out loud.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he took a beat, he asked God, What do I need to ask the king?
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  SPEAKER_00: And then he gave a response to the king.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I call those knock-knock Jesus prayers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those are the prayers you pray when you're in a moment and you don't have time to think through and formulate whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like knock knock Jesus, I need some help here.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there are times when we spend minutes, hours, moments with God in prayer and set time away for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's other times when you're just in a moment like Nehemiah was, where all of a sudden something's coming at you and you need God to give you guidance and you pray silently, never saying it out loud, and God will still be with you in those moments as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we've talked a lot last week about silent prayer and the power of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But Kimberly, does the Bible tell us to pray out loud?
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  SPEAKER_00: And also why do we pray out loud?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think the Bible is clear that we should pray.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: As we mentioned last week, there's not a lot of verses that say pray silently.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there is go in your closet and pray, but it didn't say pray silently.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: It said go in your closet and pray in secret, right?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: There are scriptures over and over again that said pray, call out to me, come to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: But do we pray out loud?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: Do we pray silently?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: The answer is yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the reasons that I think praying out loud is really important is well, there's a couple of reasons that come to mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: One, I think we need to hear it.
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  SPEAKER_01: If a friend calls you and says, Will you pray for me?
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  SPEAKER_01: We need to pray out loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're calling us to say, pray for me, pray with me.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, they need it.
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  SPEAKER_01: We need it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It binds us together, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the reasons we pray out loud is because corporately there is power in praying out loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, there's there is still power when we, if if my church were to say, hey, come to an evening and gather of prayer, and someone were to lead us in a time of prayer and then give us the opportunity to pray silently, that is just as powerful.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not, like, we don't have to all pray out loud for that to be powerful, just to distinguish what I mean here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yet, the power of praying together is not more powerful, but it is just powerful because we're together and it does something for us as a body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I think this is where the silent prayer versus the out loud prayer is not necessarily moving God in greater ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's moving us in greater ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of my favorite passages in Acts is in Acts 2, toward the end of that chapter in Acts 2.42, it says that they, being the early church, they had devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, to fellowship, to the breaking of bread, to prayer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs that were performed.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so they continued to meet together, to pray and to fellowship together, praising God and enjoying the things that He had given to them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And many were being saved daily.
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  SPEAKER_01: That passage to me shows the importance of gathering together and the power of how it brought the early church together, the things that they had seen God do.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a couple of passages in Acts where we see the early church praying together and for one another.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of those passages is in Acts 4.
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  SPEAKER_01: Peter and John, their friends have been praying for them, and then they come back because they've been on trial, and the chief priests and the elders have been saying, Stop doing what you're doing, stop preaching the gospel.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they come back to report to their friends what have happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: Their friends have been praying, and even then when they tell their friends, their friends continue to pray.
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  SPEAKER_01: The early church gathered continues to pray.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in Acts 4, verse 31, it says, And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: They were concerned for their friends, but they knew that there was importance in that moment of praying together for their friends, and God responded to their corporate prayers together.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not that silent prayer is weaker and that that corporate prayer was more powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the fact that that corporate prayer emboldened their faith because together they were unified.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were coming together in agreement for something, which gave them a sense of communal bodily power, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And the other passage that I like is in Acts 14, where we see that Peter was in jail and he was released from prison miraculously.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so he goes to the house of Mary, the mother of John, and they were already praying there.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's where the servant girl Rhoda came to the door.
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  SPEAKER_01: She recognized Peter's voice, but instead of opening the door, she ran back to tell the people that she would that he was standing at the gate.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they said to her, Rhoda, you're out of your mind, basically.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, No, there's no way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Peter kept knocking though, and they saw him, and then they were amazed.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he motioned to them with his hand to be silent, and he described how the Lord had brought him out of prison.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said, Go and tell these things to James and his brothers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he went on and departed.
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  SPEAKER_01: But at that time, what was so great about that is they were praying together.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were gathered together praying for him, and they got to witness the miracle together, which again, what we see in Acts is all about the early church growing and establishing itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so what we see there is this power, not again, of the prayer being more important, but what it did for the early church.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Kimberly, we talked about that briefly on a previous podcast in this episode about how when we share our burdens with each other and we pray for one another corporately, then all of our faiths are built stronger when we see God come through.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, you and I had a friend just in the last couple of weeks who was going through something and there was a very specific request that was on her heart that she needed God to move.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: And she could have not told us about that and the rest of our group, our team that that helps out when we do conferences together.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: But we were able to share the burden of that with her.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then we all got to be so excited when we saw God move and something shifted so that what needed to happen actually came to fruition.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm cracking up at Rhoda, of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, she's just so excited about it, she forgets to open the door.
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  SPEAKER_00: But how much more rich that community is when we celebrate what God is doing in our lives together and also show up when when when we're scared for one another.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: And as you said, sometimes when we're in crisis, what we need to hear is someone else praying out loud the truth that we know.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know God is with us, we know he cares for us, we know he holds us, and that if it matters to us, it matters to him.
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  SPEAKER_00: But sometimes you just need to hear it out loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the power of hearing it out loud makes a difference for me and for us together.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Elizabeth, another element of praying out loud, sometimes it seems to be more powerful in the realm of spiritual warfare.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that true?
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for throwing me the softball questions, Kimberly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do I believe that a spiritual warfare prayer prayed silently is not as strong as one out loud?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I have no basis for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the same time, when we find ourselves in a place of spiritual warfare, sometimes we need to hear ourselves say it out loud.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you're stepping into spiritual warfare prayers, praying against something that the enemy is trying to attack you or a loved one with, it can feel stronger if we say it out loud.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: I can go down two avenues here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Part of that is simply think about a very famous verse, we all quote it all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: When David says to himself, Why are you so downcast, oh my soul, push your hope in God.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is David talking to himself.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no one else there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes when we pray prayers, declaring who God is, that he is stronger, that he is bigger, that he is more powerful than what's coming against us, that nothing comes to us except through his fingers and his protection, that the enemy has already lost, that we're on the winning side.
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  SPEAKER_00: When we declare those types of things out loud, there is a shift that happens in me because it's not just my mind praying or my spirit praying that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like more of me, more of my spirit, soul, and body are all involved in that process when I'm praying it out loud.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think that is one of the ways because it strengthens our own faith because we're kind of preaching to ourselves when we're when we're praying that way.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: But I also do believe, and we we have talked about this a lot.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: We do podcasts on spiritual warfare.
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  SPEAKER_00: I bring it up a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are living in the middle of a war.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the victory is sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know who wins in the end.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: God's got us, and the enemy is going to try to do whatever he can to cause as much damage along the way.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: And this is where we get into a kind of a murky theological conversation, Kimberly, that you, I'm gonna invite you into as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And do we have to pray out loud spiritual warfare prayers?
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because the enemy is not God, he's not Jesus who can read our every thought.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have to pray it out loud for it to work?
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now, here we go.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go jump in the deep end of the pool for a little bit.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see scripture that backs that.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: It is tradition that we we believe Satan is a created being, he's a fallen angel, therefore he does not have the same omnisciousness of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's not all-knowing, he didn't create us, he's not as powerful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so there are people that believe that you have to say it out loud in order for him to hear it.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: But I put a little bit of a different twist on that.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Kimberly, you know me, you've been around me.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's plenty of times that it's like, okay, it's on.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I start declaring the truth of who God is, and that the enemy has to, anything that's not of God has to be pushed back to give the person that I'm praying for the room, the grace to breathe, what you know, whatever it is.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: So if it's not of God, it has to go.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: We have been in many a place where I have said that about a building, a person, a thing.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: I do believe that is legit.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, my goodness, an entire section of prayer portions and living in his presence are dedicated to warfare prayers.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: I believe in warfare prayer.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the same time, we got to be real careful about there's a whole nother vein of people.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: I have probably have been guilty of this as well, of feeling like we need to address him, the enemy, and speak to him, and in some ways even taunt him or like the focus gets off of who God is, it gets onto what the enemy is and what he's up to.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I don't land there.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And all of that comes down to the principle that's taught in Jude 8, 9, and 10, with Jude 9 being the key verse here.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: In Jude 8, they're describing people who, as they say at the end of Jude 8, heap abuse on celestial beings.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they're talking about people who are to pray that kind of taunting types of prayers.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: And Jude is saying, but even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander, but said, The Lord rebuke you.
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  SPEAKER_00: If he archangel, I think, has a bit of a clue about how to pray and how to deal with spiritual warfare.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a little more tuned in into what's going on in the spiritual realm than we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: If he himself did not address the enemy directly, but instead said, The Lord rebuke you, how much more so do we need just to stand in the authority of who God is, who we are in him, and to whatever may be coming against us, say the Lord rebuke you?
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because verse 10 of Jude goes on to say, yet these people slander whatever they do not understand.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: And the very thing they do understand by instinct, as irrational animals do, it will destroy them.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that I think is a very key point to put in here.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: There is backlash in the spirit.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about this on our spiritual warfare podcast, our audio podcast when we had my my mom on here with us and we were talking about there is an order to things.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: And when we step over the boundaries of what's ours, going back to what we talked about, God, what's my part, we can open ourselves up to spiritual backlash.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I I've experienced that in my younger years of faith, and I've seen other people do it.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think it's very safe.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: The two phrases I use most often, praying out loud when it comes to spiritual warfare are the Lord rebuke you or God push back, cut off anything that's not you.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't try to define what that is.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: God knows, whatever that is, he's gonna take care of it.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: But Kimberly, there's times I've said those phrases silently and it's worked just as well.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes I say it out loud, sometimes I say it silently.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do I understand in the greater theological schemes of how the entire spiritual world works, what that means?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't want people believing that my prayer's not powerful unless I speak it out loud.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Elizabeth, what you're saying there, I think is a key reminder to us of being cautious and humble.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: James 4, 7 says, Submit yourselves therefore to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: You just talked about order, order matters.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Submitting yourself to God is first, then resisting the devil.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I think like you were saying, sometimes people want to go after the enemy, and there's a can be a good intention in that to fight the fight, fight the battle.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: And yet we have to be cautious because the principalities within spiritual warfare have power that we don't often understand.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes it's not about us fighting that battle, it's about us calling on God to fight that battle.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: So we submit ourselves to God, we walk in humility and caution, and we stand in the authority of Christ.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I think is really key in what you're talking about here.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: That it's great to say the Lord rebuke you.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's great to fight.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: We are called to stand firm and fight that battle.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: But we're actually, when I look at scripture, even if we look at Ephesians, which I'll I'll address in just a second, to put on the spiritual armor, we are called over and over again to pray the prayers of pushback, to do the act of standing firm, to pray the prayer of the Lord rebuke you.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of that involves little of us.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what it does involve is us calling on our Almighty God.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what we have to remember.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: So in Ephesians 6, the verse about putting on the armor, our commands are be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might, put on the whole armor so that you can stand against the schemes of the devil, for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Paul says there, it's big.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're wrestling against big things, and you need to know that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you need to take up the whole armor of God so that you can withstand.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: And having done all that, stand firm.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Over and over, stand firm, stand firm, stand therefore, having fastened the belt of truth, so it's his truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, who we are in Christ, his righteousness, and the shoes for your feet, the readiness of the gospel of peace.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: In all circumstances, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one, and the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the spirit with all prayer and supplication, to that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got to be careful.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: We've got to recognize that spiritual warfare is rooted in the strength of the Lord.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: And at the same time, I hear the pushback because that there's also the truth that Jesus spoke directly to demons and cast them out and put them in pigs.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Paul spoke directly to evil spirits and cast the evil spirit out of the girl that was the fortune teller that was giving all the true prophecies, and they wanted to kill them because she was making them money.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: So there are places in scripture where people were speaking directly to dark things.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: The first one, I'm like, that was Jesus.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's at a different level of authority than we are.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: And even Paul, just as you're talking about, Paul himself, as Paul, did not speak to the demon.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: It says that Paul spoke directly to an evil spirit in the name of Jesus.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so again, it's all about positioning.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I come down so hard on this idea in Jude 9, because I've seen a whole lot of stuff that it's easy to get carried away in it, get wrapped up in it, and start praying things that are beyond the authority of what God has given you to do.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you clearly hear from the Lord, you're asking God, what is my part?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Okay, let's go.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna pray.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: In the name of Jesus, I speak that anything that is coming against my friend Kimberly.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: There there are times that you may need to proclaim something.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I guess just out of protection for everybody, I much rather us err on the side of caution, it feels in some ways, but actually it's more authority.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: How much more powerful is it for me to pray the Lord rebuke you or push back everything?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know everything that's coming against a situation or a person.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: God does.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: And if I start trying to name it all, I believe the enemy's like, oh, well, you named one, two, three, four, and five, but you didn't name six, seven, and eight, so I can keep doing these every year.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, he's he's he twists things.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: You see that from beginning in the garden, even with Job.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, God had to put the parameter in place.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: You can do anything you want to them, except for you can't kill them.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's this bigger, much bigger chess game going on in the spirit realm than we can understand.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think we approach with confidence, as you were just reading in Ephesians 6, and I think we show up prepared.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because speaking to myself now, oftentimes I forget the step of putting on the whole armor of God every day.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I have it now taped on my mirror in my bathroom where I get ready.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: So as I'm putting on my makeup and doing my hair, I also remember to get spiritually dressed because there's times when you forget to do that, and then all of a sudden you're in a battle and you're like, whoopsie, don't have my armor on.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, you know, I'm I'm joking about that, but not.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not in the mindset to be ready and aligned with Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for this battle that's in front of me.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so I it is, it's about belting on the truth and holding the shield of faith and picking up a sword, and and all of the pieces are important.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it's about us continually staying prepared for whatever situation we may find ourselves in.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: So what about the idea?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Let me throw out another question here.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: These two are kind of linked together for me.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: What about the idea that we we want to pray silent warfare prayers so that Satan doesn't know what we're praying?
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then also, what about does Satan even hear us?
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Can he read our minds?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Can he understand what we're thinking if we're just thinking?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: The Lord rebuke you.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's two two two questions, but like thank you, Kimberly, for asking me the simple questions.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Just setting you a little pickleball today, that's all.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Back over the net to me.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't believe Satan can read our mind simply because he's not the one who created us.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't get that level of access.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I do believe that he is an excellent student of human behavior.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he knows things that would tempt me, like donuts, that hot donuts now sign coming on in front of the Krispy Kreme, ice cream, judgment, and bitterness.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, we we can go down the list of all my my weaknesses if we want to on this podcast.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: That'll be fun.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: When I am struggling or in temptation, those are the things that come at me.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I never get tempted to exercise too much.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna happen because I don't like, I mean, some some people listen to this podcast, they love running.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I have had this conversation more than once.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, oh, I mean, I have to watch that I don't run too much.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, that will never be a problem for me.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: So the enemy doesn't tempt me in that area because you know it does, it doesn't work.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I think he's an excellent student.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, he's been around since the beginning.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: He's had a lot of humans to watch.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: So he's watched human behavior and he's kind of learned what works and doesn't work.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: But I do not think he reads my mind.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: Answering the question, do I think saying the Lord rebuke you works silently?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think it does because my prayers are also going up to the throne of God.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so whatever I'm praying, whether silently or out loud, is me joining in with what Jesus and the Holy Spirit are already interceding and praying before the throne of God.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so somehow in a mystery of otherness and holiness, I don't understand, I may need to say it out loud sometimes.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I'm in a position, have you, I mean, I've been in it, Kimberly, where you're in a conversation that's getting slimy and the person is hurling accusations at you.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: There's no time, kind of like the Nehemiah verse I mentioned at the beginning, there's no time to stop and have an out loud prayer about the Lord rebuke you.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because if I say that to the person who's talking to me at the moment, they think I'm talking about them.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's not that's not gonna go well.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: I have been in those positions where I will silently say, I'm a covenant daughter of God most high.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm on kingdom business and the Lord rebuke any of this that is not of him coming against me.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it's all internal, and it's my spirit standing up on the inside and going, We're not doing this.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I've seen it shift.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: So do I have a verse to back up any of what I'm saying right now about praying internally and it impacting the enemy?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, but I have experiential knowledge, and I also know that anything I pray does reach God's ear and he moves on my behalf.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: It gets at the truth that God is other, he is bigger than us, he wants us to be a part of something, he invites us into something bigger than ourselves, and yet he is in charge.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: He is the one in authority.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like in the very beginning, we were talking about why pray.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: We don't pray to manipulate God or control God.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: We pray to ask God to move.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: And we trust and we work to trust, not striving.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: We try to not strive to trust, but we try to have faith to trust and grow in our trust that he will move in ways that are wise and best and in his providence and in his sovereignty.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: We've talked about that the last few months.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I think in all of this, it comes down to God is the one who wrestles the enemy.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: He in time at times he invites us into that with him, but like you said, it's about our position.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's key to remember, it's about our position.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: We're not the one fighting.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we have to be careful to not give Satan more credit than he's due.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's really important.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: We we too often do that.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: There can be an enemy behind every bush, and yet there is an enemy.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: He is at work, he is real, and sometimes I'm making a bad choice.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I gotta be wise enough to know the difference, wise enough to ask the questions, wise enough to discern.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: I do a lot of work with human relationships and people.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: Humans are quite uh, they're pretty easy to read.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Patterns are pretty easy to read.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: And at times I'm going, well, if I can do that, surely Satan can do that too, right?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so and we have our patterns that Satan's gonna take advantage of.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: The enemy's gonna take advantage of that.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes it's just my bad pattern getting in the way and knowing when am I giving too much credit and power over to Satan?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: And when do I need to realize maybe God's directing me in a different way?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's a whole other question and topic.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: But but what I want to be clear in this conversation to say is let's remember Satan is not the omnipotent, omniscient one.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: He he is contained and it may not feel like it, but God is the sovereign one in control.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it may not feel like it, but he is.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: And we stand on that truth and we cry out to him.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and I like what you said earlier, the way I'm framing what you said earlier is we declare the truth.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: We declare the truth that I am a covenant blood bought daughter, I'm a covenant blood-bought son, whoever we are of the most high God, and the Lord rebuke you.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: You have no authority here, you have no power here, and the Lord is going to rebuke you.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm declaring in this moment that I'm aware that He that you need to be rebuked, right?
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm standing in the authority of my position in Christ, which all of this takes me back to why do we do what we do so that you can know the heart of God and know who you are in Christ.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: The question is, are prayers prayed out loud more powerful?
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's our question.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the answer is no, they're not more powerful.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: No prayer holds more power than another.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there's even more questions that we're getting in regard to that.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: But we have to remember that God hears our prayers.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: He asks us to pray to him, commands us to call out to him.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: And in all of that, we know who he is, and we stand firm in our faith of who he is, and we stand firm in who he's made us to be and in that position.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: And we hold that tension real carefully, real carefully.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: And there's so much more teaching about warfare prayer and just even declaring who God is.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: And it if you buy prayer portions or living in his presence, volumes one and two, and you look through the warfare section, you're gonna see a lot of it is not about the enemy.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's about declaring who God is in the midst of that fight.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe some of you are feeling like, well, I don't know how to do that.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: This is new to me.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: I've never done that before.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'd really encourage you either to buy for the family, which is an excerpt from Prayer Portions, or by Prairie Portions and Living in His Presence, one and two, because those books were birthed out of my mom Sylvia teaching groups to pray together, to pray by themselves, to pray in in different seasons and different things.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: And and a lot of what we've learned about learning to stand in our authority, learning to stand in who God is, learning to stand in the truth of that are things that are in those books.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so that may be a place to start for some of you today who are kind of questioning, well, wow, that sounds really big and scary, and I don't I don't want to screw it up, but I don't know where to start.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to encourage you that that's why we release resources that we do, because we we get it.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, how many times, Kimberly, are one of us in a position and you can't figure out sometimes on your own that you're even in a fight?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's just coming at you, and then a friend, the body of Christ, comes around you and says, Hey, there's more to this story than just you, and we're here for you, and we're gonna pray together with you about this thing until we see a breakthrough or an outcome.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: So this has been an interesting conversation today that I'm guessing is going to send more questions our way.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to say two things.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: One, if we've said something and you it doesn't quite sit right with you, please reach out to us and and give us another question so we can clarify what we said to make sure you're really hearing what our hearts were.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: And also, I want to challenge all of you.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: Kimberly and I are not the end all be all of theology, are we, Kimberly?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, we are not.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: No, we are not.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, we we have studied the Bible a lot.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: We've spent a lot of time studying the Bible, but we don't know it all.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so I want to encourage each of us in any of these podcasts that you're listening to, get in the word, get with God, ask him to reveal to you what is true about what you're hearing.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: And don't just take it because Elizabeth and Kimberly said it on a podcast.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: We really want you to have your own personal relationship with God and to seek him in his word until you get the answers to your questions.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: We try to be really careful to not say we have the answers to these questions.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: We've tried to be clear about that, that we're having a conversation and a dialogue around these questions to give insight as to how we're reading scripture and we're understanding things based on a lot of your mom's work and the history of our work.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so take that and put it in its place with God's word and what he has to say to you.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: And please continue to bring your questions to us.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: You can find us on our website.
• 29:41
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• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: So we look forward to being with you again and addressing and wrestling through other hard questions about prayer.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see you next time.
• 29:50
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• 29:59
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