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Warned About Chemical ‘Runaway’ Dangers | The Race Mayor of Los Angeles · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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  Speaker 1: six forty five.
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  Speaker 2: AM, six forty candle here on a Wednesday morning, May
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven. Last night, Ken Paxson won the primary against
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  Speaker 2: John Cornyan the Senate for the Senate seat corner him
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  Speaker 2: in in office for what twenty four years something along
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  Speaker 2: those lines, and he lost. Cornan lost, the endorsement of
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  Speaker 2: President Trump put him put Paxson over the edge. Now
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  Speaker 2: with Paxston have won anyway, yeah, maybe, but this was
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  Speaker 2: a slaughter. This was two to one, once again proving
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  Speaker 2: the power of President Trump with Republican voters. It is
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  Speaker 2: absolutely extraordinary. Okay, moving over to what happened with that
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  Speaker 2: chemical industry and that runaway, the thermal runaway reaction that
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  Speaker 2: forced to fifty thousand people from their homes, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to explain a little bit about what this is.
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  Speaker 2: Looking into it, it's kind of interesting to see how
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  Speaker 2: this could have just been a disaster the way authorities
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  Speaker 2: were calling this a near catastrophic incident. About fifteen percent
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  Speaker 2: of incidents in the US involving uncontrolled chemical reactions between
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty and two thousand and one where these thermal
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  Speaker 2: runaway incidents and they have led to deaths globally, and
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  Speaker 2: experts are saying the industry has struggled to improve safety
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  Speaker 2: and has not done a very good job. And this
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  Speaker 2: crisis was sparked by thousands of gallons of a very
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  Speaker 2: highly toxic chemical in a failing pressurized chemical tank that
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  Speaker 2: was heating up in Garden Grove and an aerospace firm.
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  Speaker 2: Fifty thousand people were evacuated and there was a potential
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  Speaker 2: a fire or a flash fire over city blocks, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them, I mean dozens of homes and businesses
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  Speaker 2: and elementary school were in the blast zone. And the
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  Speaker 2: worst case scenario was averted over the weekend. But a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of questions still remain. And here is what happened.
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  Speaker 2: This is what this is about. Authorities suspect that the
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  Speaker 2: cooling system was responsible, that was responsible for maintaining the
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  Speaker 2: temperature of this tank that was filled with this hazardous chemical.
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  Speaker 2: It failed, leading to the crisis at the facility, and
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  Speaker 2: this likely led up to a build up of heat
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  Speaker 2: in this pressurized tank filled with seven thousand gallons of
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  Speaker 2: this liquid chemical MMA, which is used to make plexiglass
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  Speaker 2: household goods, that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know why, but it stopped.
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  Speaker 2: Cooling, one of the experts said, And it has to
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  Speaker 2: be cooled, because what happens when it isn't cooled when
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  Speaker 2: the temperature starts righting, Man, it gets crazy. So fire
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  Speaker 2: officials and experts had a no win situation. Either a
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  Speaker 2: boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion and I mean an explosion
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  Speaker 2: of catastrophic levels and that's widespread damage and toxic material
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  Speaker 2: in the air, or a potential chemical spill that would
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  Speaker 2: foul up waterways in the ocean just environmentally, be a
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  Speaker 2: mess and inhaling mma it's not fun.
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  Speaker 3: It can be.
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  Speaker 2: And in many cases is absolutely fatal. So here is
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  Speaker 2: what happened is this chemical has to be kept in
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  Speaker 2: vapor form or in liquid form. It's like liquid natural gas,
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  Speaker 2: natural LNG, and it has to be cooled because if
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  Speaker 2: it isn't cooled on its own reacting, if there's a
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  Speaker 2: leak and it starts reacting to either water or reacting
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  Speaker 2: to the air, it forms into a solid material that
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  Speaker 2: then can explode. Now this one's weird because this side
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  Speaker 2: it formed into a solid material and that was the
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  Speaker 2: problem because the cooling system failed and they couldn't get
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  Speaker 2: to it because one of the things that it does
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  Speaker 2: is as it starts reacting, it becomes solid. It becomes
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  Speaker 2: a solid in form and then starts going nuts. Well,
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  Speaker 2: how come they couldn't get to it, well, because the
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  Speaker 2: valves were clogged because it became solid and the heat
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  Speaker 2: was going up and up, and it was going pretty high.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't take much to get this stuff off, so
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  Speaker 2: there has to be massive cooling systems involved, and they
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  Speaker 2: failed straight out. And when the liquid is exposed to
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  Speaker 2: heat or light, it starts a chain reaction. It solidifies,
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  Speaker 2: it produced heat, and then it further's a chain reaction
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  Speaker 2: keeps on going and going and boom, you've got a
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  Speaker 2: thermal runaway.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So it started its transformation from a liquid to that solid,
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  Speaker 2: producing much heat, and eventually it can result in something
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  Speaker 2: called believe bl eve. That's when the liquid is rapidly
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  Speaker 2: depressurized calling I'm going to quote here, causing nearly instant
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  Speaker 2: instantaneous transition from liquid to vapor and a release of energy.
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  Speaker 2: So it either goes to vapor or it goes to
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  Speaker 2: this blockage. One of the two. Either one is a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: And we're talking about a fireball. I's the thing exploded,
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  Speaker 2: a fireball going across just hundreds of meters, hundreds of yards,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean fifty thousand people evacuated. That's no joke.
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  Speaker 2: And so they've been looking at this stuff for a
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  Speaker 2: long time. There was a report from the US Chemical
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  Speaker 2: Safety and Hazard Board issued in two thousand and two
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  Speaker 2: called on the need to improve and prove the management
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  Speaker 2: of reactive hazards. There were two accidents in the nineties
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  Speaker 2: in New Jersey, one of which killed five workers. And
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line is that the experts are saying we're
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  Speaker 2: not doing nearly enough. I'll tell you when we're going
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  Speaker 2: to do plenty is when one of these explosions happened
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  Speaker 2: in a very populated area like Garden Grove and a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of people die. And as always, what ends up
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  Speaker 2: happening at these major corporations. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: this company met all the standards, and the runaway leak
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  Speaker 2: that happened just happens, and they had done everything reasonable
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  Speaker 2: because things do happen, But boy are they going to
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  Speaker 2: try to figure out if there was negligence involved. A
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  Speaker 2: major catastrophe has been averted, and you saw the water
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  Speaker 2: being poured onto this tank with I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: many fire companies taking their hoses and just this they
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  Speaker 2: were drowning this tank to cool it down.
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  Speaker 3: And it worked. It worked. Okay. Now I talk about.
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  Speaker 2: The economy and how weird it is, I mean really strange.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw some figures at you, and what's going on,
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, no one knows what's happening. So you
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  Speaker 2: have a US economy, this gargantuan machine, and a growing
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  Speaker 2: number of Americans whose labor and spending are reaching financial
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  Speaker 2: breaking points. Notwithstanding the fact that it looks like the
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  Speaker 2: economy is doing great, we have five plus years of
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  Speaker 2: high inflation and now we all of us contending with
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  Speaker 2: a war driven cost crunch. Now there was optimism the
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  Speaker 2: economy I was going to grow this year. Clouds of
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  Speaker 2: uncertainty would part. It is going to be better hiring
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  Speaker 2: and consumer convenances. We're going to go up. Tax refunds
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  Speaker 2: would provide a cushion, Inflation would ease, will have lower
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  Speaker 2: interest rates, and life would be copacetic. But what we
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  Speaker 2: have is an unpopular war. Oil supply really squeezed gas
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  Speaker 2: prices through the roof greater risk of inflation. So this
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  Speaker 2: month and I talked about this yesterday. There's a gauge
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  Speaker 2: of consumer sentiment that's done at the University of Wisconsin
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  Speaker 2: and it fell to an all time low. Now here's
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  Speaker 2: one that just stunned me. Americans are feeling worse about
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  Speaker 2: the economy than they did during the Vietnam War, than
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  Speaker 2: they did during a nineteen seventies oil crisis, then at
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  Speaker 2: nine to eleven, then the Great Recession, then the pandemic,
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  Speaker 2: the inflation that have to happen after the pandemic. We're
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  Speaker 2: actually feeling worse than we did through any of that. However,
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  Speaker 2: let's look at the data. It points to a picture
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  Speaker 2: of a resilient economy. And if you go by the
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  Speaker 2: stock market, which is at record highs, and keep in
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  Speaker 2: mind that the stock market is not the economy, it
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  Speaker 2: looks like we have a golden age.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: At the same time golden age bankruptcy filings have increased
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  Speaker 2: for the past three years, debt levels have grown, delinquency
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  Speaker 2: rates have moved higher. Personal savings it's at lowest in
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  Speaker 2: more than three years. I mean, go figure, all the
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  Speaker 2: data shows were doing great. Yet what is going on?
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  Speaker 2: Why do we think that our sentiment for the future
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  Speaker 2: is so low. Now it's normal for prices to increase.
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  Speaker 2: You've got inflation, normal inflation. But since twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: everyday goods and services are up twenty five five percent.
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  Speaker 2: That's double the pace during a comparable period pre tamment pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: Lower income households are disproportionately impacted, and we know that
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  Speaker 2: because a larger share of earning goes towards basic needs
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  Speaker 2: like groceries and gas. But even higher income shoppers where
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  Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter, are trading down from premium brands
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  Speaker 2: the cheaper alternative alternatives. Dollar stores are reporting that the
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  Speaker 2: number of one hundred thousand dollars a year plus income
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  Speaker 2: earners are going there and growing like crazy. So what
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  Speaker 2: is it all about, Well, the K economy, that's really
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  Speaker 2: what it is. The K economy. The wealth are getting
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  Speaker 2: the rich are getting wealthier, the poor are getting poorer.
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  Speaker 2: And if you look at various stores, if you look
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  Speaker 2: at Coach or Product, they are doing great because you've
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  Speaker 2: got people that have a ton of money and then
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  Speaker 2: you have an economy that looks great. And for those
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  Speaker 2: of you that are looking at gas prices and looking
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  Speaker 2: at rents and looking at credit card bills and looking
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  Speaker 2: at the cost of gas and groceries. And I tell you,
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  Speaker 2: the economy is doing great. Unemployment is way down. So
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  Speaker 2: everybody has a job, don't you. AI hasn't affected you
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  Speaker 2: at all, you know, going to the computer business. As
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  Speaker 2: I've said over and over again, my daughter has a
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  Speaker 2: degree in computer engineering and she's very happy with her
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  Speaker 2: job at a bakery making muffins, making muffins and cookies,
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  Speaker 2: and is pleased to have a job. It's weird. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it is weird. So it's I can't explain it now.
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  Speaker 2: The tax refunds health. One of the things about President
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  Speaker 2: Trump is he pushed through a tax refund that helped
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  Speaker 2: enormously for one year, the stimulus money from the pandemic,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden's stimulus plan and trillions of dollars where worth
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  Speaker 2: of checks were written.
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  Speaker 3: That's all gone.
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  Speaker 2: The tax refund benefits are disappearing because they were for
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  Speaker 2: one year. You've got the oil crisis and the tariffs.
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  Speaker 2: The tariffs have just killed businesses and they're still in
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  Speaker 2: place all day. They go up and down by the month,
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  Speaker 2: by the week, you know, by the day, No, by
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  Speaker 2: the hour.
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  Speaker 3: Is the way tariffs go up. And down China.
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  Speaker 2: Trump goes, has a great dinner with President g in
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  Speaker 2: China and all of a sudden, tariffs disappear with Chinese goods.
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  Speaker 3: Why because it was a good dinner, That's why.
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  Speaker 2: And Brazil because he liked Bolsonnaro, who's in jail, the
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  Speaker 2: president of Brazil. And because bol scenario is a Trump
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  Speaker 2: is Okay, We're gonna punish you because what you did
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  Speaker 2: to my buddy Bolsceonnaro. How about fifty percent tariffs on
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  Speaker 2: everything coming from Brazil. I mean, it's crazy. None of
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  Speaker 2: this makes sense. And we've done an AI and we've
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  Speaker 2: got to put together another segment of an AI segment
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  Speaker 2: on this show. We did it once and it sounded
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  Speaker 2: pretty good, but I think it's better now. AI technology
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  Speaker 2: is better now than it was. And will show no
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  Speaker 2: do I want to do it? Yeah? What the hell?
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  Speaker 2: I will proof to you that we don't need anybody here.
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  Speaker 2: We can do a news broadcast, so we can certainly
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  Speaker 2: do a weather broadcast in traffic with Will Coono.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure we can automate Cono with AI. How would
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  Speaker 3: automate me? I literally have to hit all of these buttons.
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  Speaker 2: Well, tell me AI can't figure out buttons. Okay, coz job.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a physical job, except when you press buttons,
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  Speaker 2: what are you pressing? Hold on a minute, what are
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  Speaker 2: you You're pressing a button that does what? Multiple It
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  Speaker 2: makes a connection and I can figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: do it quick defensive.
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  Speaker 3: Kno, we'd probably have to use AI.
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  Speaker 1: And a monkey.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, So let's put one together and I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you why I don't care. I have a contract
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  Speaker 2: and the best thing would happened to me is that. Okay, Bill,
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  Speaker 2: you're off the air. Okay, you can just send the
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  Speaker 2: check to the riviera where I'm going to hang out
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  Speaker 2: for the next couple of years. All right, So let
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  Speaker 2: me tell you what's going on. We have the Olympics
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  Speaker 2: coming in here in twenty twenty eight. I mean as
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  Speaker 2: far as the World Cup. You know, they're here, and
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  Speaker 2: whatever problems we have, the World Cup folks are here.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll talk more over the next few days about
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  Speaker 2: what we are doing, what they are doing. The big
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  Speaker 2: one is going to be the Olympics in twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to be a big one. And what happens
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  Speaker 2: with cities and the Olympics is that the attention of
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  Speaker 2: the entire world is on the cities, not only the athletes,
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  Speaker 2: which of course are ninety percent of it all, but
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  Speaker 2: the environment around the athletes, which means the cities the venues.
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  Speaker 2: So what's in real trouble Well, and this is no surprise,
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  Speaker 2: but it's gotten worse. Downtown LA business owners say crime
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  Speaker 2: neglect are driving away customers big time, and it's gotten worse.
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  Speaker 2: We've said this before, Man, I'm going to throw some
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  Speaker 2: numbers at you that are kind of stunning. The June
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  Speaker 2: primary looms, and these business owners are demanding that the
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  Speaker 2: candidates prioritize the region's problems, which are once bustling. And
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  Speaker 2: financial center, for example, really doesn't isn't doing very well.
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  Speaker 2: Matter of fact, you go to the financial center on
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  Speaker 2: weekends in downtown LA and you go to, for example,
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  Speaker 2: at night, when everybody piles out of these financial the
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  Speaker 2: big buildings, the office buildings, and they're going into the streets.
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  Speaker 2: You've got little Guatemala. You've got El Salvador down in
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  Speaker 2: those areas. And this is not an area. And that's
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  Speaker 2: not to say L Salvadorians and Guatemalans aren't wonderful people,
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  Speaker 2: but the ones down there.
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  Speaker 3: Don't have any money, I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 2: And if you look at the stores, Wow, you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to find any stores. You're not going to find
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  Speaker 2: any Gucci stores down there.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: A thousand businesses have left downtown in twenty twenty four. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: in one year, a thousand businesses have bailed out. The
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  Speaker 2: office buildings are almost forty percent empty. And if you
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  Speaker 2: look at storefronts that have shut down, they stretch across
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  Speaker 2: key districts, which means not only is it a miserable
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  Speaker 2: place unfortunately it has to be really has to be
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  Speaker 2: straightened out, but the tax base disappears, which exacerbates the problem, homelessness,
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure failures, remote work which empties streets, and the business leaders,
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  Speaker 2: especially downtown, are saying we need much tougher public safety
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  Speaker 2: and cleaner sidewalks, especially as La ready's.
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  Speaker 3: For the twenty twenty eight Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: The story in the La Times about this guy, Simmel Klick,
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  Speaker 2: who owns this gift shop in downtown. So this month,
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  Speaker 2: two men come up to him, put a gun to
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  Speaker 2: his head and threaten to kill him if he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: give up the gold chain hanging around his neck. And
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  Speaker 2: he said they grabbed the chain and disappeared. Now South Broadway,
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  Speaker 2: so he called the cops. I mean a gun to
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  Speaker 2: my head. Took forty five minutes for the police to arrive.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't help, he says, that's what downtown is all about.
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  Speaker 3: Who's going to come here?
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  Speaker 2: So mayoral elections are company coming, and business owners are
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  Speaker 2: begging the officials to address the problems in this area.
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  Speaker 2: More police presence, better amenities, including easier parking, parking options,
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  Speaker 2: public restrooms. Oh that helps. Public restrooms. Get what a
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  Speaker 2: lot goes on there. If you want to get drugs
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  Speaker 2: and a hooker simultaneously, you use a public restroom. The
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  Speaker 2: only thing you don't use them for is to go
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  Speaker 2: to the restroom that you go outside in The bushes
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  Speaker 2: are on the sidewalk, even when there is a public
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  Speaker 2: restroom there. So here it is six years since COVID
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  Speaker 2: hit downtown, and businesses in this part of LA say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, we need a mayor. We need a
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  Speaker 2: mayor who can make the streets safer and cleaner, bring
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  Speaker 2: shoppers and workers back to the sidewalks and skyscrapers. And
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  Speaker 2: how do you do that? Because this crisis, and it
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  Speaker 2: is a crisis is crushing the spirit of this urban enclave,
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  Speaker 2: the most urban enclave we have driv away businesses and
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  Speaker 2: visitors despite here's the historic seat of government and finance
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  Speaker 2: and arts and sports, and without intervention the state of downtown.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think is going to do to the
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  Speaker 2: reputation of LA when the twenty twenty eight Olympics hit.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lull from twenty eight twenty one to
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and the number of businesses reporting they
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  Speaker 2: left downtown shot up over the last two years. Over
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  Speaker 2: the last five years, Downtown pardon me has accounted for
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  Speaker 2: an even larger share of businesses exiting exiting the city,
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  Speaker 2: So downtown zip codes have reported the highest number of closures.
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  Speaker 2: Many large companies have shrunked their offices or just left downtown,
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  Speaker 2: including some big ones Deloitte, KMPG, Financial Services, WEBBSH Securities
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  Speaker 2: move from one of the big office towers to Pasadena.
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  Speaker 2: So here is the stat I want to share with you.
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  Speaker 2: Forty percent of office space in the financial district is empty,
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  Speaker 2: thirty percent of retail space for stores and restaurant vacant
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  Speaker 2: average attendance, and office buildings around forty eight percent. And
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  Speaker 2: so downtown businesses are saying, here are the issues at
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  Speaker 2: the core of this mayoral race, crime, homelessness, dilapidated infrastructure,
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  Speaker 2: and city and county officials are not doing enough to
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  Speaker 2: make downtown safe and promises and prosperous. We need more policing,
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  Speaker 2: We need to end outdoor drug use, homelessness, We need clean,
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  Speaker 2: well lighted streets, incentive programs.
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  Speaker 3: What we need is billions of dollars to make it work.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the problem decades of Downtown really falling apart. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there was a time when there was Bunker Hill if
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  Speaker 2: you look, that was a revitalization.
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  Speaker 3: They brought some.
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  Speaker 2: Residences up there, some high end condos, but that disappeared
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  Speaker 2: because downtown never came back after that. Now, the only
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  Speaker 2: place that really worked, if you remember, Hollywood, Hollywood Boulevard
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  Speaker 2: Sunset was a god awful mess. It really was. It
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  Speaker 2: had deteriorated big time. And it doesn't matter. The Chamber
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  Speaker 2: of Commerce were absolutely crazy to do what they could
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  Speaker 2: and it was almost insurmountable. And then a guy by
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  Speaker 2: the name Michael Eisner who had this little company called Disney,
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  Speaker 2: and he bought the Capitol Theater. Disney did brought it
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  Speaker 2: back to its magnificent. This was an old movie theater
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  Speaker 2: that was built in the twenties and that started the
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  Speaker 2: re vitalization of Hollywood. And that I give a lot
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  Speaker 2: of credit. Now you go to Hollywood and it's kind
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: of a neat place to go, great restaurants.
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  Speaker 4: It's changing again, it's going downhill lot, Yeah, for the better.
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  Speaker 4: And I will give I will say that the Chamber
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  Speaker 4: of Commerce buds busts their hump to do everything they can.
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  Speaker 3: But you can't fight against bad leadership in city hall.
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  Speaker 3: You just can't.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll buy that, And I'm just giving I'm just
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: giving kudos because I just love the way Hollywood works
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and always did. It's the movie capital of the work.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Hollywood and Vine the most famous street corner where there
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: isn't a studio within fifty miles of that street corner,
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  Speaker 2: and no one has any idea why that became the center.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: The point is is that just tons of money has
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: to be spent and it's not happening. And the mayoral race,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, Karen Bass is saying she's spending money. Those
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: that are running are saying we have to spend money,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: but there isn't any where do you get it? It's
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: almost insurmountable. And I don't know the answer. I really don't.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Neil lives pretty close to downtown, and Neil gets he
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: gets robbed on a regular basis.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: No, thank god, not so much. Why not? Okay, your
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: neighbors get robbed on a regular basis? Not sure that's true? Okay,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: well all right, I mean none of my neighbors get robbed.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: You can't get in there.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: That's true. They can't get in there. That makes life
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: much easier. We're done.
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