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Shannon Green and Dewayne Bell Pt. One · The Path Went Chilly

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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to our latest series of episodes of The
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Speaker 2: Path Went Chilly, and per usual, I'm going to be
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Speaker 2: sharing the details about a case with Jules, and she
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Speaker 2: will be giving off her reaction and analysis. So Jules,
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Speaker 2: have you ever heard about the 1986 disappearances of Shannon
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Speaker 2: Green and Dwayne Bell?
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Speaker 1: Are the two disappearances connected?
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Speaker 2: They are, yes. They took place in Owensboro, Kentucky within
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Speaker 2: five days.
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Speaker 3: Of each other.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard of these cases. I always
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Speaker 1: find it fascinating when there's cases that are linked like
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Speaker 1: the Bardstown cases.
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Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting about this one is they're both young
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Speaker 2: people because Shannon Green was only 16 years old and
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Speaker 2: Dwayne Bell was only 18. But there's been speculation that
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Speaker 2: Dwayne may have been personally responsible or involved in Shannon's
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Speaker 2: disappearance before he himself went missing. So there's been a
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Speaker 2: lot of debate about whether he was a victim. or
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Speaker 2: a willing participant. And this turns into a very convoluted
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Speaker 2: story because there are some very shady characters. There's a
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Speaker 2: guy named John Rainier who claimed that he heard Dwayne
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Speaker 2: confess to Shannon's disappearance before he went missing, but there's
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Speaker 2: been speculation that maybe Rainier made up this story because
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Speaker 2: he killed Shannon Dwayne and was trying to pass the
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Speaker 2: blame onto Dwayne. And Dwayne's father, David Lee Bell, was
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Speaker 2: a pretty shady character, so there's been speculation that maybe
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Speaker 2: if Dwayne killed Shannon, that David helped him disappear, or
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Speaker 2: perhaps even killed him. And if this wasn't convoluted enough,
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Speaker 2: there was another woman named Angie Dickens who was murdered
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Speaker 2: in Owensboro during the same time period, and her murder
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Speaker 2: is still unsolved. So people are wondering if that case
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Speaker 2: is connected, if maybe Dwayne or his father or maybe
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Speaker 2: someone else killed her, and all these three unsolved cold
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Speaker 2: cases are linked together.
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Speaker 1: Well, the fact that this is in Kentucky and I
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Speaker 1: brought up Bardstown, it's sounding almost as convoluted and confusing
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Speaker 1: as those cases. And as we attempt to either link
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Speaker 1: them together or dismiss that, dismiss any suggestions that they
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Speaker 1: could be linked together, I'm really interested to hear all
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Speaker 1: of the details, especially since it seems like there's no
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Speaker 1: shortage of suspects here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a major rabbit hole. I had not
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Speaker 2: heard of this case, and it was suggested to me
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Speaker 2: by a listener, and I covered it on The Trail
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Speaker 2: Went Cold just over five years ago, and once I
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Speaker 2: started digging deeper, it just never ended, and so I
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Speaker 2: honestly can say I have no idea what happened in
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Speaker 2: this particular case. There are just any number of potential scenarios.
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Speaker 2: So like I just said, it took place in Owensboro,
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Speaker 2: Kentucky in 1986, and Shannon Green was 16 years old
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Speaker 2: at the time, living with her family, and on July
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Speaker 2: the 6th, Shannon left her residence and told her mother,
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Speaker 2: Lois Green, that she was going to babysit for a
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Speaker 2: family friend named John Rainier, who was 39 years old
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Speaker 2: at the time and lived two miles away. But Shannon
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Speaker 2: never returned home that day, and when she failed to
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Speaker 2: resurface by the following afternoon, her mother contacted the police
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Speaker 2: to report her missing. A few days later, Lois then
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Speaker 2: received a phone call from a young man calling himself Dwayne,
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Speaker 2: who told her that he and Shannon had run away
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Speaker 2: together in order to get married, before he abruptly hung up.
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Speaker 2: And of course, this being the 1980s, the police pretty
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Speaker 2: much took this like gospel, and thought that, well, if
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Speaker 2: he said that they ran away, that must be what happened,
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Speaker 2: and I don't think they really took her disappearance all
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Speaker 2: that seriously. But needless to say, Shannon's family did not
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Speaker 2: believe she ran away, because she left all her personal
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Speaker 2: belongings behind, and even though she had a steady boyfriend
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Speaker 2: at the time, his name was not Dwayne, and they
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Speaker 2: had no idea who this person could be.
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Speaker 1: So we're supposed to believe that she has, what, like
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Speaker 1: a secret boyfriend that not even one of her friends
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Speaker 1: knew about? And he's so secret that she's going to
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Speaker 1: run away with him and she's not going to take
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Speaker 1: any of her belongings. And it just so happens that
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Speaker 1: the time that she chooses to leave or slash run
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Speaker 1: away is just after babysitting for the Rainier family. It
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Speaker 1: feels like if you're going to run away with this
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Speaker 1: secret lover... then perhaps you would do it on a
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Speaker 1: day where you've got time to get your ducks in
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Speaker 1: a row. It doesn't sound like babysitting and then just
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Speaker 1: running away would be the plan for most people.
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Speaker 2: Well, as we're going to talk about, she never did
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Speaker 2: show up to do any babysitting that day, so it
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Speaker 2: sounds like this probably was a cover story, regardless of
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Speaker 2: what she was actually planning to do, but no one
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Speaker 2: really believed that she just suddenly decided to get married
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Speaker 2: at age 16 to this person that her family didn't
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Speaker 2: know about and disappear. But of course, once you put
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Speaker 2: that ID into the police's head, they're going to use
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Speaker 2: that as an excuse not to do anything.
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Speaker 1: And refresh my memory, what year is this again?
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Speaker 2: 1986.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that is why. It's like in 1986,
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Speaker 1: if somebody called in and said, this is what happened,
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Speaker 1: they took it like gospel, especially with any disappearances. But
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Speaker 1: with a child, a 16-year-old, you're not going to look
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Speaker 1: into this. You're just going to go, okay, oh, yep.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem weird at all that she already has
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Speaker 1: a steady boyfriend and that nobody knows about this guy
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Speaker 1: that she's going to go get married to. It all
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Speaker 1: seems very unbelievable. And the fact that law enforcement, who
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Speaker 1: you'd think would be trained to detect deception, seems unwilling
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Speaker 1: or unable, or maybe they just wrote off most disappearances
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Speaker 1: and this was the easy way out rather than investigating.
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Speaker 1: But it's shocking and it's so disappointing when we hear
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Speaker 1: that these aren't investigated properly and that something is taken
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Speaker 1: at face value that seems so absurd.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in retrospect, it seems obvious that whoever made
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Speaker 2: that phone call was trying to orchestrate a false cover
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Speaker 2: story to make it look like Shannon disappeared voluntarily. But
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Speaker 2: whoever made the call was likely involved in what happened
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Speaker 2: to her. But it did turn out that she was
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Speaker 2: acquainted with an 18-year-old young man named David DeWayne Bell,
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Speaker 2: who went by his middle name DeWayne. It doesn't sound
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Speaker 2: like they were close friends, but they were kind of
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Speaker 2: casual acquaintances, and had apparently been seen together at a
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Speaker 2: mutual friend's home the night before Shannon went missing. But
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Speaker 2: what made the story grow even stranger is that on
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Speaker 2: July the 11th, just five days after Shannon went missing,
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Speaker 2: DeWayne also went missing.
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Speaker 3: Um.
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Speaker 2: The details of how he disappeared are very vague, all
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Speaker 2: they just say is that on July the 11th, his
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Speaker 2: abandoned bicycle was found resting against a fence at his
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Speaker 2: sister's house, but no one really knows the circumstances of
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Speaker 2: how he went missing. But of course, everyone who knew
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Speaker 2: Dwayne was pretty concerned because he was known for taking
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Speaker 2: very good care of his bike and would never leave
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Speaker 2: it unattended like that. But it was actually over a
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Speaker 2: week before Dwayne's mother contacted the police to officially report
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Speaker 2: him missing because she was divorced from Dwayne's father, David Liebel.
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Speaker 2: And instead of David contacting the police, he abruptly decided
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Speaker 2: to move to Tucson, Arizona with his new girlfriend. So
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Speaker 2: investigators initially wondered if perhaps Dwayne had gone to Tucson
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Speaker 2: with his father, but when they finally questioned David, he
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Speaker 2: confirmed that he had not actually seen his son since
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Speaker 2: July the 11th. But right away you can see some
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Speaker 2: red flags here that David, even though his son has
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Speaker 2: just disappeared without explanation, he just decides to permanently move
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Speaker 2: out of town to an entirely different state.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if there was no plans prior to the move,
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Speaker 1: and that he just kind of out of the blue
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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Tucson, that seems like a good idea.
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Speaker 1: It does look pretty sketchy. All of this is very odd.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all you can say about it, is that
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Speaker 2: the circumstances are very odd. So to recap, Shannon went
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Speaker 2: missing on July the 6th, and the last time Dwayne
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Speaker 2: was confirmed to be alive was July the 11th, but unfortunately...
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Speaker 2: In all the sources I found during my research, I
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Speaker 2: could not find out the exact date that this phone
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Speaker 2: call took place to Shannon's mother, Lois, from the person
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Speaker 2: who claimed that he was Dwayne and that he had
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Speaker 2: run off with Shannon and got married. Because if it
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Speaker 2: took place between July the 6th and the 11th, then
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Speaker 2: it's possible that Dwayne himself could have made the phone call,
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Speaker 2: especially if he was involved in Shannon's disappearance. But if
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Speaker 2: it took place after July the 11th, after Dwayne went missing,
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Speaker 2: then it's possible it was someone else impersonating him. And
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Speaker 2: I don't believe Lois had ever met Dwayne personally, so
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Speaker 2: she couldn't tell if it was his voice on the phone.
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Speaker 2: She was unable to recognize it.
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Speaker 1: Is Dwayne's body ever recovered, or does he simply just
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Speaker 1: vanish into the ethers?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just vanishes without a trace. He has not
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Speaker 2: been found to this day.
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Speaker 1: So, there is a possibility that.
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Speaker 1: So Shannon goes missing, and then what, four or five
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Speaker 1: days later, then Duane goes missing?
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Speaker 2: Yes, and we don't know when this phone call took place,
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Speaker 2: if it took place before or after Duane went missing,
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Speaker 2: because if it took place during that five-day window, it
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Speaker 2: could have been Duane who made the phone call.
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Speaker 1: So it's possible that he could have kidnapped Shannon, she
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Speaker 1: might have gone of her own free will or not,
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Speaker 1: and she could have been being held somewhere or hiding somewhere,
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Speaker 1: and then the two of them decided to leave together?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like possibly, or Dwayne was the one who killed Shannon,
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Speaker 2: and he was just trying to throw off her mother
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Speaker 2: by trying to say that she ran away voluntarily if
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Speaker 2: he was directly responsible.
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Speaker 1: And if that was the case, do you think that
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Speaker 1: Dwayne then tried to stage his own disappearance and make
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Speaker 1: it look like somebody might have done something to him
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Speaker 1: in order to make it look like, okay, we better
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Speaker 1: not go. looking for him. Someone's done something to him.
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Speaker 1: He can't be the one who's responsible for what happened
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Speaker 1: to Shannon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think Dwayne is sophisticated enough
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Speaker 2: to stage his own disappearance because he was such a
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Speaker 2: young man, but there has been speculation, though, that if
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Speaker 2: Dwayne is completely innocent, that someone killed him in order
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Speaker 2: to make it look like he ran away with Shannon
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Speaker 2: and put all the blame on him. And as we're
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Speaker 2: going to talk about, this family friend John Rainier is
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Speaker 2: going to be looked at as a potential suspect. Some
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Speaker 2: people think that he was the one who made the
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Speaker 2: phone call and impersonated Dwayne. But the issue with that
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Speaker 2: is that he was acquainted with Shannon's mother, Lois. So
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Speaker 2: if he had been the one making the phone call,
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Speaker 2: it's possible that Lois would have recognized his voice.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so she told people that she was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be babysitting for the Rainiers. And do we have anybody's
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Speaker 1: word except for John Rainier after the fact, who's saying
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Speaker 1: that she didn't show up for babysitting or there was
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Speaker 1: no babysitting?
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Speaker 2: Actually, Rainier would say that he never planned to have
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Speaker 2: her come over there to go babysitting. So we don't
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Speaker 2: really know if that was ever planned, that if Shannon
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Speaker 2: was lying because she had something else planned, or maybe
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Speaker 2: if Rainier was responsible, he told her to come to
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Speaker 2: his house to babysit and then used it as an
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Speaker 2: opportunity to do something to her.
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Speaker 1: But if you were Rainier and the authorities are asking you,
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Speaker 1: I think the right answer probably would be, I never
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Speaker 1: had plans for Shannon to come over and babysit. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's pretty much what he does say. So
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Speaker 2: I'll go into his background now. He was actually acquainted
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Speaker 2: with Dwayne and David Bell because he worked at the
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Speaker 2: same construction company as David. And I know that Dwayne
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Speaker 2: often spent quite a bit of time hanging out with Rainier.
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Speaker 2: But the issue is that Rainier was known as a guy,
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Speaker 2: a cool dad type of person who would let young
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Speaker 2: people come to his house to party. So that might
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Speaker 2: have been the cover story for babysitting. She just thought
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Speaker 2: she was going to go over there to like drink
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Speaker 2: or smoke grass or something like that. And Rainier said
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Speaker 2: that he acknowledged that he did speak to Shannon on
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Speaker 2: the phone on the morning of July the 6th, right
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Speaker 2: before she went missing. But he maintained that there was
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Speaker 2: no babysitting involved and that he never showed up at
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Speaker 2: her residence again. He said that when he spoke to
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Speaker 2: Shannon on the phone, he told her that he was
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Speaker 2: going to a barbecue at his mother's place and would
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Speaker 2: not be at his home, and Shannon just told him
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Speaker 2: that she might come by or call back later that night,
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Speaker 2: but for now, she was just going to go hang
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Speaker 2: out for a while. and possibly go over to Duane's place.
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Speaker 2: But of course, we only have Rhaenyra's word that this
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Speaker 2: is exactly what she said, and we don't know what
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Speaker 2: actually happened to Shannon, but it seems clear to me
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Speaker 2: that no matter what happened, I do think that this
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Speaker 2: babysitting story was a cover, and that Shannon only told
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Speaker 2: her mother she was going to go over there, even
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Speaker 2: though she had plans to do something else.
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Speaker 1: That's really interesting, but I also find Can we please
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Speaker 1: acknowledge that you said smoke grass?
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Does anyone use the word grass anymore?
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Speaker 1: You gagged me with that one.
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Speaker 2: Did they use that in the 80s still or is
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Speaker 2: that just a 70s thing?
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Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have not heard that except
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Speaker 1: maybe as like a relic of days gone by in movies.
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Speaker 1: But I love that you said that rather than calling
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Speaker 1: it weed or marijuana or whatever. But this whole story
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Speaker 1: is so difficult to digest because... Rainier, we know so
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Speaker 1: little about right now. And he's a family friend. Like
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Speaker 1: you said, the cool dad. I always think of like
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Speaker 1: the cool mom on Mean Girls where she's like, I'm
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Speaker 1: not like other moms. I'm a cool mom. And they
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Speaker 1: asked for margaritas and Katie Herring is like, is there
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Speaker 1: alcohol in there? She's like, oh no, do you want some?
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Speaker 1: So I think of that when I think of like
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Speaker 1: the phrase like cool mom or cool dad. And if
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Speaker 1: you're having teenagers over to drink at your house, You
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Speaker 1: have to wonder the motivation. Is there a Mrs. Rainier
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Speaker 1: in the picture?
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Speaker 2: I actually don't know. Like, I'm assuming that he had kids,
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Speaker 2: but I don't have any information whatsoever about his family.
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Speaker 2: So I have no idea if he was still married
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Speaker 2: to his wife at that point. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And like, if your kids are so young that they're
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Speaker 1: being babysat, it does seem a little bit odd that like,
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Speaker 1: you're not just the cool dad, but like you're allowing
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Speaker 1: teenagers to come over and and partake in illegal substances,
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a red flag for me.
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Speaker 1: It's like that movie Ma, right? Like it's just, if
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Speaker 1: your kids were the same age, it would be a
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Speaker 1: different story. But if you're just inviting teenagers over, it
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Speaker 1: strikes me as a little bit strange.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to go into more details about John
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Speaker 2: Rainier's background, and some major alarm bells are going to
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Speaker 2: go off over your head once you find out what
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Speaker 2: type of guy this was, because surprise, surprise, he actually
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Speaker 2: spent quite a bit of time in prison in the past.
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Speaker 2: His first offense took place in 1966 when he was
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Speaker 2: convicted of armed robbery. He served 19 months in prison
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Speaker 2: before he was paroled. But then in November of 1971,
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Speaker 2: both he and accomplice were charged with the shooting death
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Speaker 2: of a man named John Brainerd, and Rainier wound up
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Speaker 2: being convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and received a
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Speaker 2: sentence of life imprisonment. In July of 1976, Rainier escaped
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Speaker 2: from the Kentucky State Penitentiary after taking a prison employee
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Speaker 2: hostage at night point, though he was recaptured within 24 hours,
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Speaker 2: but you would think that a man who was serving
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Speaker 2: a sentence for life imprisonment and attempted to escape... by
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Speaker 2: taking an employee hostage, would never get out of prison,
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Speaker 2: but it appears that at some point over the next
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Speaker 2: 10 years, Rainier actually got paroled for whatever reason. He
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Speaker 2: got off with a really life sentence, and I have
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Speaker 2: no idea if Shannon and her family were aware of
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Speaker 2: Rainier's criminal history when they became friends, or if this
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Speaker 2: was a secret that did not come out until after
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Speaker 2: Shannon went missing, but obviously this is not a guy
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Speaker 2: that you want to send your teenage girl to to babysit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think the vetting process for people who
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Speaker 1: are going to hire your children to babysit wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: the same in the 1980s. I think that the panic
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Speaker 1: over people doing things to your children and there being
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Speaker 1: people out there who could murder or essay your children
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Speaker 1: or do any number of horrible things, the attitude wasn't
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Speaker 1: quite as prevalent as it is today because we just
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Speaker 1: have the access to the information now and Everything is
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Speaker 1: true crime related, every TV show and documentary, and we
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Speaker 1: are inundated with this information. And so I feel like
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Speaker 1: it creates this culture of caution, especially with regards to children.
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Speaker 1: You're not going to allow your kid to go over
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Speaker 1: to someone's house that you don't know. And if you
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Speaker 1: don't know Rainier, you're going to be asking around. And
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Speaker 1: if you find out that this person spent time in prison,
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Speaker 1: I would think that most parents would not allow their
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Speaker 1: children to go over there. Depending on what the charges are,
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Speaker 1: I mean, if it was like white collar crime or something,
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Speaker 1: I think most parents would look past it. But if
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Speaker 1: it's something that is violent or a felony, then I
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Speaker 1: think that most responsible parents would think twice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have Rainier's actual parole date, but I
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Speaker 2: have to think that once he was released from prison,
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Speaker 2: he must have done a successful job of reinventing himself
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Speaker 2: and establishing himself in the community. And he obviously had
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Speaker 2: kids at some point if Shannon was going over to
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Speaker 2: babysit for him. So I'm guessing that the Green family
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Speaker 2: just knew nothing about his backstory, and he probably had
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Speaker 2: the reputation for being the cool dad in the neighborhood,
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Speaker 2: and that none of them were aware that he'd actually
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Speaker 2: spent time in prison for murder. But if that wasn't
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Speaker 2: bad enough, it turned out that at the time Shannon
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Speaker 2: went missing, Rainier was actually awaiting trial for another crime,
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Speaker 2: because back in 1985, he was indicted on the charges
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Speaker 2: of first-degree sodomy after a woman accused him of sexual assault.
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Speaker 2: And he was on bond, and I honestly don't know
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Speaker 2: if Shannon and her family was aware of that, that
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Speaker 2: he was actually awaiting trial on a sexual assault charge.
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Speaker 2: And only a month after Shannon went missing, Rainier finally
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Speaker 2: went on trial, and he did wind up being acquitted.
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Speaker 2: But obviously, since he had such an extensive criminal history,
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Speaker 2: investigators started looking at him as the strongest suspect and
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Speaker 2: wondered if he might have been capable of not only
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Speaker 2: harming Shannon, but harming Dwayne as well, because we knew
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Speaker 2: he was acquainted with Dwayne and his family.
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Speaker 1: Well, those charges are really disturbing. And Rainier is starting
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Speaker 1: to be, in my eyes, the guy holding up all
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Speaker 1: the red flags. Like you said, the information that you
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Speaker 1: are about to share and the information you just shared
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Speaker 1: is definitely triggering alarm bells for me. And if he's
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Speaker 1: not the one who did it, then by golly, he
18:30
Speaker 1: certainly has some bad luck with all the charges in
18:33
Speaker 1: his past. And then this just happens to be the
18:36
Speaker 1: place that A girl who disappears who's 16 ends up
18:40
Speaker 1: saying that she's going for her alibi while doing something else.
18:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is what's crazy about the story
18:47
Speaker 2: is that when I started researching it and hearing all
18:50
Speaker 2: these backgrounds about Rainier, I kept thinking, yeah, he has
18:52
Speaker 2: to be responsible for what happened to these two kids.
18:56
Speaker 2: But as we go along, there are going to be
18:58
Speaker 2: so many twists and turns that I'm honestly not sure
19:00
Speaker 2: what to think. But what further complicated this whole situation
19:04
Speaker 2: is that less than a month before Shannon went missing
19:07
Speaker 2: on June the 17th, a 23-year-old woman named Mary Ethel Dickens,
19:12
Speaker 2: who went by the name Angie, also had gone missing.
19:15
Speaker 2: She had been out at a bar with a pair
19:17
Speaker 2: of friends, and at the time, Angie, I don't think,
19:20
Speaker 2: had a permanent residence. She was staying at a motel
19:23
Speaker 2: called the Owensboro Motor Inn. but her two friends took
19:27
Speaker 2: her back to the motel and said that as they
19:29
Speaker 2: were leaving, they saw Angie speaking with two unidentified men
19:32
Speaker 2: in an older model car, but this was the last
19:35
Speaker 2: time she was confirmed to be alive. And because Angie
19:38
Speaker 2: didn't live with anyone, and it wasn't uncommon for her
19:41
Speaker 2: to take off for days at a time because she
19:43
Speaker 2: kind of had a transient lifestyle, she was not actually
19:45
Speaker 2: reported missing by her sister until July the 8th. In
19:49
Speaker 2: between the time that Shannon and Dwayne went missing. But
19:53
Speaker 2: three and a half months later, on October the 2nd,
19:56
Speaker 2: Angie was finally found two miles outside of Owensboro by
19:59
Speaker 2: a hunter in a cornfield on Lower River Road near
20:03
Speaker 2: the Little Hurricane boat ramp. By that point, her body
20:06
Speaker 2: was so decomposed that investigators were unable to determine her
20:09
Speaker 2: exact cause of death, but they definitely believed that she
20:12
Speaker 2: was the victim of a homicide, and of course, they
20:14
Speaker 2: started wondering, could her death have been connected to the
20:18
Speaker 2: disappearances of Shannon and Duane?
20:21
Speaker 1: So, what is the population of this place in Kentucky?
20:24
Speaker 2: Let me just look it up. Owensboro. It's actually the
20:28
Speaker 2: fourth most populous city in Kentucky, and had a population
20:32
Speaker 2: at that time of... Around 53,000.
20:37
Speaker 1: And what were the typical murder rates per year? Yeah,
20:41
Speaker 1: just say through the 1980s.
20:42
Speaker 2: Okay, see if I can find information about that. There's
20:47
Speaker 2: actually a decent amount of cold cases. Like you would
20:49
Speaker 2: get maybe like one murder every two years because I
20:53
Speaker 2: know there was a homicide in 1980, 1982, 1984. So
20:57
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it had a plethora of violent crime,
21:00
Speaker 2: but we would still get one. But I don't think
21:03
Speaker 2: there were any other time periods during the 1980s where
21:06
Speaker 2: they had one person get murdered and two people go
21:08
Speaker 2: missing within the window of less than one month.
21:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a bit of a cluster. It seems like
21:15
Speaker 1: it would be something that would be incredibly atypical or
21:19
Speaker 1: like aberrant because if we're looking at one murder a
21:22
Speaker 1: year and we can maybe make the assumption or the
21:26
Speaker 1: jump that like we didn't have two people disappear here
21:30
Speaker 1: and go and start a new life. Did something happen
21:34
Speaker 1: to them? Just because we haven't discovered the bodies doesn't
21:37
Speaker 1: mean that they are not deceased because they were never
21:40
Speaker 1: heard from again and there was no sightings of them
21:43
Speaker 1: to speak of, was there?
21:44
Speaker 2: No, there haven't been, as far as I can tell.
21:48
Speaker 2: But yeah, even though Angie Dickens didn't have any personal connection,
21:51
Speaker 2: as far as I could tell, with Shannon and Dwayne,
21:54
Speaker 2: of course it kind of raised flags that maybe there's
21:56
Speaker 2: a serial killer in town who was just preying upon
21:58
Speaker 2: random victims. And whoever did this originally did not intend
22:02
Speaker 2: for Angie to be found, because she was missing for
22:05
Speaker 2: three and a half months before she was discovered. So
22:08
Speaker 2: maybe they just got very, if the same person did this,
22:10
Speaker 2: they just got very sloppy when they tried to dispose
22:13
Speaker 2: of Angie's body, but did a much more effective job
22:15
Speaker 2: of Shannon and Dwayne's bodies, which is why they haven't
22:18
Speaker 2: been found in 40 years.
22:20
Speaker 1: But doesn't it seem strange? Like, okay, so you're a
22:22
Speaker 1: serial killer and you're going to pick victims at random.
22:26
Speaker 1: There's a connection between Shannon and Dwayne. Like, they are connected.
22:32
Speaker 1: So I think it would increase your probability of getting
22:35
Speaker 1: caught if you are going to kill someone within a
22:38
Speaker 1: friend group versus picking completely random victims that you have
22:42
Speaker 1: zero connection to.
22:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing with Angie is because she
22:46
Speaker 2: lived a transient lifestyle and didn't reside with anyone, it
22:50
Speaker 2: took a while for anyone to even notice she was missing,
22:52
Speaker 2: whereas Shannon and Dwayne had families who obviously would notice
22:56
Speaker 2: they disappeared. So it definitely seems like a completely different MO.
23:02
Speaker 2: So the investigation into all three of these cases would
23:04
Speaker 2: pretty much hit a standstill, but surprise, surprise, John Rainier
23:08
Speaker 2: would get into more trouble with the law, because it
23:10
Speaker 2: was just over one year later. when another woman accused
23:13
Speaker 2: him of sexual assault, and he was once again charged
23:16
Speaker 2: with first-degree sodomy. And this time, when he went on trial,
23:20
Speaker 2: he was found guilty of the charge, as well as
23:22
Speaker 2: the charge of being a first-degree persistent felony offender, and
23:26
Speaker 2: he wound up receiving a sentence of life imprisonment. But
23:28
Speaker 2: yet again, he wound up only serving 13 and a
23:31
Speaker 2: half years, and he got paroled. So that seems to
23:34
Speaker 2: be a consistent pattern for this guy. He keeps going
23:36
Speaker 2: to prison for horrible crimes, getting a life sentence, yet
23:40
Speaker 2: winds up getting parole. So, He must be one of
23:42
Speaker 2: those model inmates who does a very good job at
23:45
Speaker 2: being charming and convincing people he's reformed and then convincing
23:49
Speaker 2: them to like give him parole.
23:51
Speaker 1: I truly hate that, especially when it's someone who's going
23:54
Speaker 1: to prison for crimes against women, whether it be violence
23:57
Speaker 1: or it be sexual assault or rape. And then they
24:01
Speaker 1: go into prison and surprise, surprise, they're surrounded by a
24:05
Speaker 1: bunch of men and they're all of a sudden this
24:07
Speaker 1: ideal prisoner. It's like, of course, because their ideal victim,
24:12
Speaker 1: isn't behind prison walls. So I think it's a lot
24:15
Speaker 1: easier to behave when there's nobody that you want to
24:18
Speaker 1: victimize within the vicinity.
24:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty much the thing. I see this a
24:22
Speaker 2: constant pattern on shows like Unsolved Mysteries, where you hear
24:26
Speaker 2: about wanted fugitives who got these heavy prison sentences and
24:29
Speaker 2: then were released after only serving a couple years, and
24:31
Speaker 2: then they interview the warden and the guards saying, oh,
24:33
Speaker 2: he was such a model inmate, we thought he had
24:35
Speaker 2: truly reformed. And then, of course, when they get released,
24:38
Speaker 2: they go on to commit more crimes. Now, to be fair,
24:41
Speaker 2: it sounds like John Rainier has kept his nose clean
24:44
Speaker 2: since he was paroled in 2001. He has never been
24:46
Speaker 2: charged with any more crimes. And I think he tried
24:49
Speaker 2: to present himself an image of being a reformed criminal
24:52
Speaker 2: because in 2003, he would make the news after he
24:56
Speaker 2: was caught protesting an adult business where he started taking
25:00
Speaker 2: photos of all the customers as they entered and exited
25:03
Speaker 2: the establishment. And then he would subsequently post their photos
25:06
Speaker 2: on a website for a watchdog group called Warline, which
25:10
Speaker 2: pushed forward the message that adult businesses and pornography degrade
25:14
Speaker 2: women and encourage sex offenders. And he seemed to be
25:17
Speaker 2: implying that it was porn and adult entertainment that drove
25:21
Speaker 2: him to commit his previous sexual offenses, so now he
25:24
Speaker 2: was going out of his way to try to prevent
25:26
Speaker 2: people from doing the same thing, which is kind of
25:29
Speaker 2: the opposite of taking responsibility for your own actions. It's
25:32
Speaker 2: kind of like he's blaming the fact that, oh, I
25:34
Speaker 2: watched a lot of porn when I was younger, I
25:36
Speaker 2: went to adult entertainment establishments, and that drove me to
25:39
Speaker 2: rape and sodomize these women.
25:41
Speaker 1: Ugh, I hate this. It reminds me of the video
25:45
Speaker 1: games made me do it type of defense when it
25:48
Speaker 1: comes to violence. They've done studies on this, and people
25:51
Speaker 1: that play video games actually commit less violent offenses. And
25:54
Speaker 1: I don't know what the statistics are for porn and
25:57
Speaker 1: sexual assault, if people are more inclined to commit those
26:02
Speaker 1: types of crimes. But at the end of the day,
26:05
Speaker 1: it might be something that could serve as a catalyst,
26:07
Speaker 1: but you already have that desire or capability within you.
26:10
Speaker 1: Because plenty of people watch porn, and they don't go
26:13
Speaker 1: on to commit crimes like that. And like you said,
26:16
Speaker 1: it's just a way for somebody to point the finger
26:18
Speaker 1: outward rather than pointing the finger back at themselves and saying,
26:22
Speaker 1: how did I contribute to this? How did my actions
26:25
Speaker 1: or my choices get me to where I am? It's
26:28
Speaker 1: easier to be like, they did it. It's their fault.
26:31
Speaker 1: I'm going to stand outside this adult business and take
26:34
Speaker 1: photos of people and be on my sanctimonious high horse.
26:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It really sounds like he's projecting rather than
26:41
Speaker 2: taking responsibility of his own actions, because he's painting himself
26:44
Speaker 2: as a guy who's exposing sex offenders, but people who
26:47
Speaker 2: frequent adult stores and rent pornography are not sex offenders.
26:51
Speaker 2: It's people who, like, harm people. Like, they're just trying
26:54
Speaker 2: to view their own entertainment, so it's not quite the
26:56
Speaker 2: same thing as taking photographs of someone who's trying to
26:59
Speaker 2: abduct a child or something like that. But of course,
27:03
Speaker 2: since Rainier was making the news again, a new team
27:05
Speaker 2: of cold case investigators decided to reopen the case into
27:10
Speaker 2: David and Shannon's disappearances, and they brought in Rainier to
27:14
Speaker 2: be re-interviewed, and suddenly he shared a very shocking story,
27:18
Speaker 2: which he did not reveal way back in 1986. Rainier
27:22
Speaker 2: claimed that on July the 9th, 1986, three days after
27:25
Speaker 2: Shannon went missing, Dwayne suddenly phoned him up and told
27:28
Speaker 2: him that they needed to have a private conversation. So
27:31
Speaker 2: by this point, Rainier was being looked at as a
27:33
Speaker 2: possible suspect in Shannon's disappearance, so Heath said that he
27:37
Speaker 2: thought that Dwayne might have been wired by the police
27:40
Speaker 2: in order to collect evidence against him, so to cover
27:43
Speaker 2: his bases, Rainier decided to wire himself and secretly record
27:47
Speaker 2: his conversation with Dwayne. And according to Rainier, Dwayne asked
27:51
Speaker 2: if he could borrow some money because he needed to
27:54
Speaker 2: get out of town after quote-unquote... hurting some girls. And
27:58
Speaker 2: as they continued speaking, Duane gradually admitted that he'd actually
28:01
Speaker 2: killed a couple people and buried their bodies in a cornfield.
28:06
Speaker 2: Duane never provided any specific details about this crime, so
28:09
Speaker 2: the following day, Rainier finally confronted him and demanded that
28:12
Speaker 2: he show him the location of the bodies, and that night,
28:15
Speaker 2: Rainier claimed that Duane took him to a remote cornfield
28:18
Speaker 2: located across from the railroad tracks on Griffith Station Road
28:22
Speaker 2: near Kentucky Route 279, And that's when he proceeded to
28:25
Speaker 2: dig up the body of Shannon Green.
28:29
Speaker 1: This sounds like a really wild story. I don't know
28:31
Speaker 1: how much truth there is in it. If it is true,
28:35
Speaker 1: then it's absolutely off the charts. It's insanity that you
28:40
Speaker 1: would go and then show somebody else the evidence of
28:44
Speaker 1: your crime by digging up the body. It doesn't really
28:49
Speaker 1: ring true to me. What do you think?
28:52
Speaker 2: Well, when I first started researching this case, I said, no,
28:54
Speaker 2: this does not ring true to me at all. It
28:56
Speaker 2: almost sounds like he's overcompensating, that Rainier was personally responsible
29:00
Speaker 2: for Shannon's disappearance, and he's trying to put all this
29:03
Speaker 2: blame on Dwayne. But, spoiler alert, as we get along,
29:07
Speaker 2: we're going to find out some details which show that
29:09
Speaker 2: even if Rainier isn't telling the complete truth, maybe there
29:12
Speaker 2: are elements of truth to this story, which is why
29:14
Speaker 2: this story is so weird. According to Rainier, the story
29:18
Speaker 2: that Dwayne told him is that Shannon had come over
29:20
Speaker 2: to his residence to hang out with him on the
29:23
Speaker 2: day she went missing, but they wound up getting into
29:25
Speaker 2: a heated argument, and Dwayne got rough with her. So
29:28
Speaker 2: when Shannon decided to fight back, she started screaming and
29:32
Speaker 2: told Dwayne that she would tell Rainier about what happened,
29:35
Speaker 2: and made an attempt to get away, but Dwayne's father
29:39
Speaker 2: David intervened, pinned Shannon's arms to the ground while Dwayne
29:43
Speaker 2: choked her, and Dwayne told Rainier that his father kept
29:46
Speaker 2: telling him to choke harder until he finally strangled her
29:49
Speaker 2: to death, and afterwards it was David who helped Dwayne
29:52
Speaker 2: bury Shannon's body in the cornfield.
29:55
Speaker 1: These guys are disgusting. Like, what is wrong with them?
29:58
Speaker 1: Your dad's there cheering you on, telling you to choke harder.
30:02
Speaker 1: And what type of disagreement would you have gotten into
30:06
Speaker 1: with Shannon? I, I, I'm having a hard time understanding, like,
30:11
Speaker 1: what would have been the impetus for him wrapping his
30:15
Speaker 1: hands around her neck? Like, they didn't know each other
30:18
Speaker 1: that well. Like, what could she have done to anger
30:21
Speaker 1: him to that level? Like, how he would explain that?
30:25
Speaker 1: No woman or man can do anything that would ever
30:28
Speaker 1: justify wrapping hands around the throat. But I'm just wondering
30:31
Speaker 1: what Dwayne is saying that Shannon did that made him
30:35
Speaker 1: so angry.
30:36
Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem with this story, is that it's
30:38
Speaker 2: only third-hand, so we still can't be certain if it's true.
30:41
Speaker 2: But as we go along, like, Rainier is gonna tell
30:44
Speaker 2: these stories about Dwayne that paint him as, like, this
30:46
Speaker 2: complete psychopath, even though he was only 18 years old
30:49
Speaker 2: at the time, but he's trying to paint him as
30:51
Speaker 2: someone who might have become one of the worst serial
30:54
Speaker 2: killers of all time if he had not gone missing. So,
30:57
Speaker 2: here's what else Rainier said happened. He claimed that after
31:00
Speaker 2: Dwayne dug up Shannon's body... He took him to another
31:04
Speaker 2: cornfield located two miles away from the spot Shan was
31:07
Speaker 2: buried and showed him the body of Angie Dickens, the
31:10
Speaker 2: other woman who had gotten murdered back in 1986. Dwayne
31:14
Speaker 2: apparently told him that he and Angie had gone to
31:16
Speaker 2: the cornfield in order to fool around, but things got
31:19
Speaker 2: out of hand and he killed her. Because there is
31:22
Speaker 2: so little evidence to go on in Angie's case, I
31:25
Speaker 2: really don't know how much veracity there is to this story,
31:28
Speaker 2: but I do know that when her friends dropped her
31:30
Speaker 2: off at the motel, they said that they last saw
31:33
Speaker 2: her speaking with two men in an older model car.
31:36
Speaker 2: And you might recall that when Dwayne went missing, the
31:39
Speaker 2: one detail they shared is that his bicycle was found
31:42
Speaker 2: propped up against a wall, so I don't have any
31:45
Speaker 2: idea if Dwayne drove at that time or even had
31:48
Speaker 2: access to a vehicle, But now that I'm hearing that David,
31:52
Speaker 2: his father, supposedly helped him cover up Shannon's murder, I'm
31:55
Speaker 2: starting wondering, could these witnesses have seen David and Dwayne
31:59
Speaker 2: in a car together and they proceeded to kill Angie together?
32:03
Speaker 2: But then again, we don't even know if the sighting
32:05
Speaker 2: of the two men in the car is significant. It
32:07
Speaker 2: might be two innocent bystanders who have no, like, involvement
32:10
Speaker 2: at all in Angie's murder. But because there are so
32:13
Speaker 2: few details available about the circumstances of how she was killed,
32:17
Speaker 2: I don't know whether to put any veracity into Raniere's story.
32:20
Speaker 2: But he's making it sound like this 18-year-old kid has
32:23
Speaker 2: killed two women.
32:25
Speaker 1: I mean, you weren't kidding when you said that this
32:27
Speaker 1: was an incredibly convoluted case. I have a hard time
32:31
Speaker 1: believing that, like, You said this 18-year-old kid with no
32:37
Speaker 1: prior incidents involving violence against women that we're aware of.
32:42
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they didn't happen. It just means
32:44
Speaker 1: that we aren't aware. There isn't any evidence to suggest that.
32:48
Speaker 1: We're supposed to believe that he decides to... How many
32:52
Speaker 1: days apart was Shannon and Angie?
32:56
Speaker 2: Less than a month. I think it was something like
32:58
Speaker 2: four weeks.
32:59
Speaker 1: So we're supposed to believe that he escalated? If he
33:04
Speaker 1: chose Shannon as his first victim, then that would have
33:07
Speaker 1: been a higher risk for him because she has a
33:11
Speaker 1: lot more familial connections and connections with friends, whereas Angie
33:16
Speaker 1: would have been a lot lower of a risk for
33:18
Speaker 1: him because she didn't have those connections or a permanent residence.
33:22
Speaker 1: And like you said, she lived more of a transient lifestyle.
33:25
Speaker 1: So the victimology is very different. But also, if he
33:30
Speaker 1: was an 18-year-old kid who was out there killing women,
33:32
Speaker 1: then Maybe he hadn't yet discovered his MO and he
33:36
Speaker 1: was evolving as a killer. But it seems a little
33:39
Speaker 1: bit far-fetched and it's easy to slot this car with
33:44
Speaker 1: two men in it and go, okay, yeah, this makes sense.
33:46
Speaker 1: It's like Dwayne and his dad. But at the end
33:49
Speaker 1: of the day, we've got no evidence to support that.
33:51
Speaker 1: And eyewitness testimony, we know how problematic that can be.
33:56
Speaker 1: So as convenient as it is, I'm really having a
33:59
Speaker 1: hard time swallowing this 18-year-old being a killer of two
34:02
Speaker 1: women within a one-month period.
34:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you look up Dwayne's photo online on
34:08
Speaker 2: websites like the Charlie Project, even though he's described as
34:10
Speaker 2: being 18 years old, he looks like he's 12 years
34:13
Speaker 2: old in the photo. And I don't know if maybe
34:15
Speaker 2: that's because they didn't have any newer photos that were
34:18
Speaker 2: of him older than the age of 12 or 13.
34:21
Speaker 2: But he looks like a kid. You just can't visualize
34:23
Speaker 2: this guy like killing all these women. But believe it
34:26
Speaker 2: or not, this story gets even crazier because according to Rainier,
34:30
Speaker 2: while he was conversing with Dwayne in the cornfield, Dwayne
34:33
Speaker 2: also made mention of killing a quote-unquote girl and a
34:36
Speaker 2: kid from Tennessee. And while he provided no details about
34:40
Speaker 2: this particular crime, Dwayne apparently pointed towards a ditch that
34:43
Speaker 2: was near Angie's body and said that the girl and
34:46
Speaker 2: the kid were buried there. We never do learn any
34:49
Speaker 2: more details about the so-called crime, but I do know
34:52
Speaker 2: that when I researched my Trail and Cold episode, I
34:54
Speaker 2: looked through missing persons cases and tried to see if
34:56
Speaker 2: there were any documented cases of like a woman and
35:00
Speaker 2: her child going missing together from Tennessee. right around 1986,
35:04
Speaker 2: but I couldn't find anything. But theoretically, if Dwayne was
35:07
Speaker 2: telling the truth, this is four people he's killed, including
35:10
Speaker 2: a child, so, like I said, John Rainier is painting
35:13
Speaker 2: him up as one of the worst serial killers of
35:15
Speaker 2: all time, who has already murdered four people that we
35:18
Speaker 2: know of by the age of 18.
35:20
Speaker 1: And one of them being an actual kid. It seems
35:24
Speaker 1: improbable to me, given what we know. It just would
35:27
Speaker 1: take a level of sophistication to be able to get
35:30
Speaker 1: away with that, and it doesn't strike me that an
35:32
Speaker 1: 18-year-old would have that. But again, we also have police
35:36
Speaker 1: investigating who are taking the word of somebody calling about
35:39
Speaker 1: Shannon's disappearance, that she ran off to get married with
35:41
Speaker 1: some random guy, and they're believing it. So if those
35:44
Speaker 1: are the same people that are investigating murders, then I
35:47
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have the greatest amount of confidence. in their
35:51
Speaker 1: ability to be able to follow the evidence where it
35:54
Speaker 1: leads them. That's not to say that all investigators at
35:56
Speaker 1: the time were bad, just based on what we know,
35:59
Speaker 1: it's a little bit worrisome. And I don't know, it's
36:03
Speaker 1: like Rainier, are you just like doubling down at this
36:06
Speaker 1: point and you're trying to make him into the big bad?
36:10
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
36:10
Speaker 1: Like you're adding these details. It seems very specific, but
36:14
Speaker 1: it's sort of like, oh, well, Maybe he's going to
36:17
Speaker 1: sound worse if I add that he also killed another
36:19
Speaker 1: woman and a kid. And so it couldn't be me.
36:23
Speaker 1: And then he's not around to defend himself. So I
36:26
Speaker 1: don't know. This is just one of the weirdest cases.
36:31
Speaker 2: It is definitely.
36:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
36:33
Speaker 2: And a spoiler alert. They do like did an excavation
36:36
Speaker 2: of this area just to try to check out Rainier's story,
36:38
Speaker 2: but they never found a body of a girl and
36:40
Speaker 2: her kids. So, We still don't know if this story
36:43
Speaker 2: is true, but I know that we have specific details
36:46
Speaker 2: for the so-called murders of Angie and Shannon, where Dwayne supposedly,
36:50
Speaker 2: he said they were fooling around, but then things escalated
36:53
Speaker 2: out of control and he killed them. But it's like,
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Speaker 2: what makes you drive to the point where this 18-year-old
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Speaker 2: decides to murder a young kid? So it just seems
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Speaker 2: like an over-the-top detail that Rainier just decided to throw
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Speaker 2: in there. So that about brings an end to part
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Speaker 2: one of our series about the disappearances of Shannon Green
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Speaker 2: and Dwayne Bell. Join us next week as we continue
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Speaker 2: our discussion in Part 2.
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Speaker 3: Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit
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Speaker 3: about the Trail Went Cold Patreon?
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Speaker 2: Yes, the Trail Went Cold Patreon has been around for
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Speaker 2: three years now, and we offer the standard... bonus features
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Speaker 2: like early ad-free episodes, and I also send out stickers
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Speaker 2: Tier 2, we also offer monthly bonus episodes in which
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Speaker 2: I talk about cases which are not featured on the
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Speaker 2: And if you join our highest tier, tier three, the
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Speaker 2: $ 10 tier, one of the features we offer is a
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Speaker 2: and play it with my audio commentary playing in the background,
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Speaker 2: where I just provide trivia and factoids about the cases
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Speaker 2: featured in this episode. And incidentally, the very first episode
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Speaker 2: that I did a commentary track over was the episode
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Speaker 3: So I want to let you know a little bit
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Speaker 3: about the Jewels and Ashley Patreon. So there's early ad-free
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Speaker 3: Went Chilly minis, which are always over an hour. So
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Speaker 3: they're not very mini, but they're just too short to
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Speaker 3: So We hope you'll check out those Patreons. We'll link
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Speaker 2: So I want to thank you all for listening and
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Speaker 1: Music by Paul Rich from the podcast Cold Callers Comedy.