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- 0:00Host 1: Um, so the governor of the Bank of Portugal takes home nearly what,
- 0:03Host 1: 20,000 euros a month?
- 0:05Host 2: Yeah, just about. Almost 20 grand.
- 0:08Host 1: Right. But uh, if you were to look at his financial declarations today,
- 0:11Host 1: like spread across his three bank accounts, you would only find 1,166 euros.
- 0:15Host 2: I mean it's, it's completely wild.
- 0:18Host 1: It is. Anyway, welcome to today's deep dive.
- 0:20Host 1: It is May 5, 2026, and our mission today for you listening,
- 0:24Host 1: is to look at a pretty massive stack of front pages
- 0:27Host 1: from four major Portuguese newspapers.
- 0:30Host 2: Right, so we're looking at Público, Diário de Notícias,
- 0:34Host 2: Correio da Manhã, and Jornal de Notícias.
- 0:37Host 1: Exactly. And we're going to extract the real story hiding behind all that ink.
- 0:41Host 1: Because, you know, when you put these sources together,
- 0:44Host 1: that bizarre banking detail I just mentioned,
- 0:47Host 1: it's really just one tiny piece of a much larger global puzzle.
- 0:51Host 2: It really is. What we are looking at today is, honestly,
- 0:55Host 2: a masterclass in systemic pressure.
- 0:58Host 2: If you step back and look at the broader picture these publications are painting right now,
- 1:02Host 2: you see a world where these macro geopolitical tremors are immediately cracking our domestic foundations.
- 1:07Host 1: Right. Like, we're going to trace how foreign policy playing out literally thousands of miles away
- 1:12Host 1: is actively dictating the capacity of your local hospital.
- 1:15Host 2: Or, you know, the reading curriculum in a first-grade classroom.
- 1:19Host 1: Yeah, or even just the price of the ticket for your next vacation.
- 1:23Host 2: Exactly. I was thinking about it like, um... it's like the transmission in a car is completely blown.
- 1:27Host 1: Oh, that's a good way to put it.
- 1:30Host 2: Right, like the global supply chains and international alliances are the engine.
- 1:34Host 2: And right now that engine is just redlining, spinning faster and faster.
- 1:38Host 1: But the wheels on the ground aren't moving.
- 1:42Host 2: Exactly. The wheels, our hospitals, our schools, our daily lives, are barely inching forward.
- 1:46Host 2: And to understand why those wheels are stuck,
- 1:50Host 2: we have to look at how that engine is running on the global chessboard.
- 1:54Host 1: Well, spoiler alert: it's not running well.
- 1:57Host 1: The post-war security and trade architectures are fracturing all at once.
- 2:02Host 1: Take the Middle East for example.
- 2:04Host 1: Diário de Notícias is reporting today that Iran is actively attacking ships,
- 2:09Host 1: and the United Arab Emirates.
- 2:11Host 2: Okay wait, and this is a response to the US stuff, right?
- 2:15Host 1: Yeah, it's a direct response to the US Project Freedom,
- 2:19Host 1: which is basically this military mission Washington launched to force open the Strait of Hormuz.
- 2:24Host 2: Okay, so I'm looking at this Strait of Hormuz mission, and I have to be honest,
- 2:28Host 2: I am struggling to see how, like, localized naval maneuvers
- 2:32Host 2: translate to an immediate global crisis for the average person?
- 2:36Host 1: You mean like how it hits the listener's wallet?
- 2:39Host 2: Yeah exactly. I mean it's a narrow waterway between the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman.
- 2:44Host 2: How fast does a bottleneck there actually hit the broader market?
- 2:48Host 1: Oh, the impact is almost instantaneous.
- 2:51Host 2: Really? That fast?
- 2:53Host 1: Yeah, because of the futures market.
- 2:56Host 1: A massive percentage of the world's oil passes through that specific strait.
- 3:00Host 1: So when you have warships maneuvering and active retaliation from Iran...
- 3:04Host 2: People panic.
- 3:06Host 1: Exactly. Commodity traders don't wait for a tanker to actually sink to raise prices.
- 3:10Host 1: They price in the anxiety immediately.
- 3:13Host 2: Right. Global oil prices spike the literal second the threat is credible.
- 3:18Host 1: Wow. Okay, so that's the energy squeeze.
- 3:22Host 1: But the Middle East is just one pressure point, right?
- 3:25Host 2: Right. The geopolitical map of Europe is also being completely rewired as we speak.
- 3:30Host 1: Yeah, I saw that Jornal de Notícias has a massive story today
- 3:34Host 1: about the US pulling troops out of Germany.
- 3:37Host 2: Which is huge. It's a historic pivot.
- 3:40Host 2: I mean, Germany has been the anchor of American military presence in Europe since, what, the Cold War?
- 3:45Host 1: Yeah, essentially. And Washington pulling troops out of Germany
- 3:49Host 1: forces this brutal reality check on European nations.
- 3:52Host 2: Because they have to pay for their own defense now.
- 3:55Host 1: Exactly. For decades, Europe has essentially outsourced a massive portion
- 4:00Host 1: of its security blanket to the United States.
- 4:03Host 1: And that allowed domestic budgets to focus heavily on social programs rather than defense.
- 4:08Host 2: Right, but a US withdrawal creates an immediate security vacuum.
- 4:12Host 1: A huge one. And European nations are now scrambling
- 4:16Host 1: to reinforce their own defense capabilities.
- 4:19Host 1: And the timing couldn't be more volatile.
- 4:23Host 2: Because of Russia?
- 4:25Host 1: Yes. Público is reporting that Ukrainian attacks deep inside Russian territory
- 4:30Host 1: are increasingly haunting Vladimir Putin.
- 4:33Host 1: The entire European theater is basically shifting from a state of managed tension
- 4:38Host 1: to active, unpredictable conflict.
- 4:41Host 2: Okay, so if that wasn't enough pressure on the car transmission,
- 4:44Host 2: we have the economic front too.
- 4:47Host 1: Oh yeah. The trade wars.
- 4:50Host 2: Right. Diário de Notícias highlights that Beijing is issuing unusually aggressive threats
- 4:55Host 2: of retaliation against Brussels.
- 4:58Host 1: Pushing back against those new European laws.
- 5:01Host 2: Exactly. China is pushing back hard against laws designed to block Chinese companies
- 5:05Host 2: from accessing critical European sectors.
- 5:09Host 2: So, just to recap for you listening, we have energy blockades in the Middle East.
- 5:14Host 1: A security vacuum in Europe.
- 5:16Host 2: Right. And a looming trade war with the world's manufacturing superpower.
- 5:21Host 1: It's like Europe is caught in a geopolitical vise.
- 5:24Host 1: The US is pivoting away, demanding Europe step up and fund its own defense.
- 5:29Host 1: And meanwhile, adversarial or competitive states, like Russia, Iran, and China,
- 5:34Host 1: are actively testing the boundaries of this new multipolar reality.
- 5:38Host 2: But I have to ask though, looking at all this together,
- 5:43Host 2: doesn't this feel less like isolated regional incidents
- 5:46Host 2: and more like a coordinated squeeze on Europe's entire supply chain and security umbrella?
- 5:50Host 2: Like, it feels highly orchestrated.
- 5:53Host 1: Well, whether it's explicitly coordinated in some backroom or it's just opportunistic alignment,
- 5:58Host 1: I mean, the result is the same.
- 6:01Host 2: The pressure is there.
- 6:03Host 1: Right. These are interconnected notes, and if you are listening to this deep dive right now
- 6:08Host 1: on your commute, and you're paying more for your gas or your groceries today,
- 6:13Host 1: you are actively feeling the friction of these global policies.
- 6:17Host 2: Yeah.
- 6:19Host 1: When those macro architectures fracture, the cost is immediately passed down the chain to you.
- 6:23Host 2: The transition from the macro to the micro is just brutal.
- 6:28Host 2: And we can actually see the exact trickle-down costs right on the front page of Público today.
- 6:33Host 1: The airline story.
- 6:35Host 2: Yes. They are directly citing the Iranian offensives and that US mission in the Strait of Hormuz
- 6:40Host 2: as the primary reason why airlines like TAP, KLM, the British Airways and Iberia group
- 6:45Host 2: are dramatically hiking ticket prices.
- 6:48Host 1: Well, jet fuel prices are incredibly volatile right now because of the Gulf tensions,
- 6:53Host 1: which naturally impacts baseline operating costs for aviation.
- 6:57Host 2: Right, but I noticed it's not just base fares.
- 7:01Host 1: What do you mean?
- 7:03Host 2: Like, the low-cost carriers are hiking the prices for seat selection and basic baggage.
- 7:08Host 2: So I kind of have to question the corporate psychology here.
- 7:12Host 1: Oh, I see where you're going.
- 7:15Host 2: Yeah, I mean it feels highly opportunistic for a low-cost airline
- 7:19Host 2: to charge me an extra 40 euros for my carry-on bag
- 7:23Host 2: and blame it on naval maneuvers in the Strait of Hormuz.
- 7:27Host 1: Oh totally. You're pointing to the exact mechanics of crisis pricing.
- 7:31Host 1: Global fuel uncertainty provides this incredibly convenient cover
- 7:35Host 1: for corporate price hikes across the board.
- 7:38Host 2: So they just use the news cycle.
- 7:41Host 1: Exactly. Companies use media-driven anxiety about geopolitical instability
- 7:45Host 1: to normalize higher baseline fees.
- 7:49Host 1: And the kicker is, even when oil prices eventually stabilize or drop...
- 7:53Host 2: Let me guess, the fees stay.
- 7:56Host 1: You guessed it. Those new, higher fees for ancillary things like your carry-on bag,
- 8:00Host 1: often just remain permanent.
- 8:03Host 1: It's an environment where companies can expand their profit margins
- 8:07Host 1: under this broad, undeniable umbrella of, quote unquote, geopolitical tension.
- 8:12Host 2: Okay, so the airlines leverage the crisis to pad their margins.
- 8:16Host 2: Meanwhile, other domestic systems are dealing with literal life or death resource scarcity,
- 8:21Host 2: and are just buckling under the pressure.
- 8:24Host 1: The healthcare system.
- 8:27Host 2: Yeah. Público reports a genuinely terrifying healthcare statistic today.
- 8:31Host 2: Half, literally 50%, of the intensive care services in Portugal
- 8:36Host 2: are being forced to close beds.
- 8:39Host 1: And we should clarify, it's not for a lack of physical equipment.
- 8:43Host 2: Right, it is entirely due to a severe lack of staff.
- 8:47Host 1: That staffing collapse is a symptom of systemic exhaustion.
- 8:50Host 1: You are looking at the compounding effects of post-pandemic burnout,
- 8:54Host 1: wage stagnation in the public sector, and people just leaving for better pay.
- 8:58Host 2: Exactly. Aggressive poaching by private hospitals or foreign medical systems.
- 9:03Host 2: When you hollow out the workforce, a physical bed is just a piece of furniture.
- 9:07Host 2: It can't save a life.
- 9:10Host 1: Which leaves the public incredibly vulnerable.
- 9:13Host 1: Diário de Notícias actually reports today that a thousand people are dying every year
- 9:18Host 1: in Portugal from resistant superbugs.
- 9:21Host 2: A thousand? That's a massive number.
- 9:24Host 1: Right. And the official guidance from the Directorate-General of Health, the DGS,
- 9:28Host 1: is literally reminding citizens that, quote, washing hands saves lives.
- 9:32Host 2: I mean, when systemic buffers fail, like when your ICUs are operating at half capacity,
- 9:37Host 2: the responsibility for public health gets pushed entirely onto the individual.
- 9:41Host 1: Wow, yeah. Washing your hands is the absolute baseline of hygiene, obviously.
- 9:46Host 1: But it's being presented as a primary defense right now
- 9:50Host 1: because the medical infrastructure behind it is just so fragile.
- 9:54Host 2: And that fragility is everywhere.
- 9:57Host 2: Correio da Manhã has a story about people facing criminal charges right now
- 10:02Host 2: for spreading COVID-19 in an outbreak that killed 18 people.
- 10:06Host 1: Oh wow.
- 10:08Host 2: Yeah. And at the same time, a Portuguese worker is currently trapped on a cruise ship
- 10:13Host 2: that's been attacked by a deadly unnamed virus that has already left three dead.
- 10:18Host 2: It feels like every anomaly becomes an existential threat
- 10:22Host 2: when the system is already at the breaking point.
- 10:25Host 1: That's exactly the point. A well-resourced system can absorb a localized outbreak
- 10:30Host 1: or a novel virus on a cruise ship.
- 10:33Host 1: A system that is closing 50% of its ICU beds? It simply cannot.
- 10:37Host 2: Yeah. And uh, if the hospitals are redlining and the economy is in survival mode,
- 10:41Host 2: we really have to look at how the state is preparing the next generation to handle all of this.
- 10:46Host 1: Oh, the education data.
- 10:49Host 2: Yeah. The education statistics in Público today are genuinely shocking.
- 10:53Host 2: At the end of the first grade, a quarter of all students in Portugal
- 10:57Host 2: cannot read 21 words per minute.
- 11:00Host 1: One in four children falling behind at the very starting line of literacy.
- 11:05Host 1: It's devastating.
- 11:07Host 2: It really is. And this isn't just a minor academic dip.
- 11:11Host 2: This is a structural failure driven by a combination of underfunded schools,
- 11:15Host 2: lingering developmental lags from the pandemic, and honestly,
- 11:19Host 2: probably the massive influx of screen time.
- 11:22Host 1: Right. Without basic literacy, these children are completely locked out
- 11:26Host 1: of participating in a complex modern economy.
- 11:30Host 2: And while the education system struggles to literally teach kids how to read,
- 11:34Host 2: the political solutions being proposed for youth engagement
- 11:38Host 2: feel completely disconnected from that reality.
- 11:42Host 1: You're talking about the military recruitment push.
- 11:45Host 2: Yeah. So the center-right AD coalition, which is currently in power,
- 11:49Host 2: is trying to attract young people to the military or civic service
- 11:53Host 2: by offering them 439 euros and a free driver's license.
- 11:56Host 1: Right, because they are looking at a demographic cliff
- 12:00Host 1: and a severe recruitment crisis in the armed forces.
- 12:03Host 2: Sure, but instead of offering a compelling ideological vision or structural career stability,
- 12:08Host 2: they are attempting to gamify civic service.
- 12:11Host 1: It is entirely transactional.
- 12:13Host 2: Exactly. Is a monthly stipend of 439 euros and a driver's license
- 12:17Host 2: really going to solve a generational recruitment crisis
- 12:21Host 2: for a demographic where a quarter of them are struggling with basic literacy?
- 12:25Host 1: It's a Band-Aid.
- 12:27Host 2: Right. It just feels like the state doesn't actually understand the people it's trying to govern.
- 12:32Host 1: And that disconnect is largely due to a lack of political renewal.
- 12:36Host 1: Jornal de Notícias published a fascinating study today on term limits.
- 12:40Host 2: Oh, this was wild to read.
- 12:43Host 1: Right, because the theoretical purpose of a term limit
- 12:46Host 1: is to force political renewal and inject fresh perspectives.
- 12:50Host 1: But the problem is, when a political class merely recycles itself,
- 12:54Host 1: it tends to recycle the exact same stagnant solutions
- 12:57Host 1: for modern, evolving crises.
- 13:00Host 2: The focus shifts to self-preservation.
- 13:03Host 1: Right, rather than actual public service.
- 13:06Host 1: And we are seeing severe friction across the political spectrum because of this stagnation.
- 13:10Host 1: And just to be completely clear to you listening, we aren't taking any political sides here.
- 13:15Host 2: No, not at all.
- 13:17Host 1: We are simply analyzing the reality as these sources present it.
- 13:21Host 1: But Público notes today that the left wing is expressing deep frustration
- 13:25Host 1: and disappointment right now.
- 13:28Host 2: With Seguro.
- 13:30Host 1: Right. Yeah. They are heavily criticizing António José Seguro,
- 13:34Host 1: a historic figure within the Socialist Party,
- 13:37Host 1: and condemning what they're calling a quote "cruel law" regarding nationality.
- 13:42Host 2: Which is a controversial shift in the criteria for citizenship.
- 13:45Host 1: Exactly. The mechanics of the frustration are super clear.
- 13:49Host 1: There is widespread ideological dissatisfaction on all sides.
- 13:53Host 2: And that friction inevitably erodes trust in the state.
- 13:57Host 2: And occasionally, the system produces a story so deeply bizarre
- 14:00Host 2: that it shatters whatever institutional trust is left.
- 14:04Host 1: Yes. Which brings us back to the exclusive from Correio da Manhã
- 14:08Host 1: that I mentioned at the very beginning of the show.
- 14:11Host 2: The governor of the Bank of Portugal.
- 14:14Host 1: Álvaro Santos Pereira. The man makes almost 20 grand a month,
- 14:17Host 1: yet his required financial declarations reveal he has less than 1200 euros
- 14:22Host 1: in liquid cash across his accounts.
- 14:25Host 2: It's staggering.
- 14:27Host 1: There is a profound irony in the man overseeing the nation's monetary policy
- 14:32Host 1: seemingly having no liquid capital of his own.
- 14:35Host 1: How does the public process that kind of optics during a severe cost-of-living crisis?
- 14:40Host 2: Well, they process it with deep cynicism.
- 14:43Host 1: Yeah. They are already calling him the quote "governor without savings."
- 14:47Host 2: I mean, logically it's either an incredibly aggressive investment strategy
- 14:51Host 2: or wealth tied up in obscure assets.
- 14:54Host 1: Or a truly bizarre financial reality.
- 14:57Host 1: But regardless of the mechanics, the optics are disastrous.
- 15:01Host 2: Oh totally. At a time when everyday people are being squeezed by airline fees,
- 15:05Host 2: failing hospitals, and a struggling education system,
- 15:09Host 2: the man in charge of the banking system either doesn't use it
- 15:13Host 2: or is shielding his wealth from public view.
- 15:16Host 1: Right. And when the state apparatus fails to offer a reliable vision for the future,
- 15:20Host 1: and when these macro systems like politics, healthcare, and finance feel deeply untrustworthy,
- 15:25Host 1: you see citizens taking matters into their own hands.
- 15:29Host 2: Yeah, they have to. They are forced to seek resolution and justice
- 15:33Host 2: on a micro, deeply personal level.
- 15:36Host 1: And Jornal de Notícias actually highlights a deeply emotional example of this today.
- 15:41Host 2: Oh.
- 15:43Host 1: A Portuguese court officially refused to hand over the children
- 15:48Host 1: of a Ukrainian refugee to her Russian ex-husband.
- 15:51Host 2: She fled Moscow with the kids right after the war started, right?
- 15:55Host 1: Exactly. It's just a breathtaking story.
- 15:58Host 1: The massive geopolitical war we discussed earlier,
- 16:02Host 1: like all those shifting borders and military tensions,
- 16:06Host 1: is suddenly distilled down into the fate of two kids in a Portuguese courtroom.
- 16:10Host 2: It really grounds the abstract geopolitical stuff.
- 16:14Host 1: Yeah. The macro fails, so the Portuguese justice system steps in
- 16:18Host 1: to offer micro-level protection for this mother.
- 16:21Host 2: And people are demanding micro-justice everywhere right now.
- 16:25Host 2: Especially when the state infrastructure feels like it's crumbling.
- 16:29Host 2: Diário de Notícias reports that prison inmates in Lisbon are threatening a massive hunger strike
- 16:34Host 2: over their living conditions.
- 16:37Host 1: Wow.
- 16:39Host 2: It's a desperate physical plea for basic human dignity
- 16:43Host 2: from inside a completely forgotten system.
- 16:46Host 2: The government is actually now actively reviewing its crime-fighting strategies
- 16:51Host 2: across Lisbon, Porto, and the Algarve because of all this pressure.
- 16:55Host 1: And the demand for accountability is just palpable in the crime stories today.
- 16:59Host 1: Like, Correio da Manhã reports a government minister directly stepping in
- 17:04Host 1: to expel a police officer who was convicted of raping a 16-year-old girl.
- 17:08Host 2: Which is a heavy, heavy story.
- 17:11Host 1: Very heavy. And there's also a high-profile case of the so-called hairdresser of the famous,
- 17:15Host 1: and her daughter, being convicted for tax fraud.
- 17:19Host 2: Right. Citizens are demanding that the rules apply to everyone.
- 17:23Host 1: From corrupt officers to wealthy tax evaders.
- 17:26Host 2: Yet, amidst all this heavy demand for justice and survival,
- 17:30Host 2: society still insists on finding joy.
- 17:33Host 1: Yes. Human resilience is just incredibly stubborn.
- 17:36Host 2: It really is. Correio da Manhã and Jornal de Notícias both splash
- 17:41Host 2: this massive cultural release across their pages today.
- 17:44Host 2: Sporting won 5-1 against V. Guimarães.
- 17:48Host 1: But we need to give some context too.
- 17:51Host 2: For sure, context matters here. Sporting is still in third place.
- 17:55Host 2: They are out of the Champions League. Like, this is not a championship-winning game.
- 17:59Host 1: Right. The stakes weren't objectively that high.
- 18:03Host 2: But the sheer, unadulterated joy of that 5-1 victory
- 18:06Host 2: caused the families, wives, and children of the players
- 18:10Host 2: to joyously invade the pitch to celebrate.
- 18:13Host 1: I saw the photos, it was amazing.
- 18:16Host 1: That pitch invasion is the pure catharsis of sports.
- 18:20Host 1: It's a localized, immediate release of pressure for a community
- 18:24Host 1: that is otherwise constantly bombarded by systemic dread.
- 18:28Host 2: Yeah, and we see that community building in the culture sector too.
- 18:32Host 2: Público highlights that the classic film Dead Poets Society
- 18:36Host 2: has been adapted for the stage at the Teatro da Trindade in Lisbon.
- 18:40Host 1: Oh, I heard about this.
- 18:42Host 2: Yeah. And the original screenwriter, Tom Schulman, actually flew in for it.
- 18:47Host 2: Plus, parents in Porto are spending their free time helping their kids build parade cars
- 18:51Host 2: for the traditional Queima das Fitas festival.
- 18:54Host 1: That's so great. And even on a structural level, there's a push for a greener future.
- 18:59Host 1: Renewable energy licensing is being fast-tracked across 7% of the national territory.
- 19:03Host 2: You know, taking the time to build a parade float with your child
- 19:08Host 2: isn't just a fun weekend activity.
- 19:11Host 2: It is a literal rejection of isolation.
- 19:14Host 1: Mhm.
- 19:15Host 2: Going to a theater to watch a play about seizing the day, like Dead Poets Society,
- 19:19Host 2: is a philosophical counterweight to the anxiety of the daily news cycle.
- 19:24Host 1: Exactly. And pushing for renewable energy is just a defiant act of believing
- 19:28Host 1: there will actually be a future worth powering.
- 19:32Host 1: This is how society insists on pushing forward and finding meaning.
- 19:36Host 2: So let's just look at the incredible journey we've taken through today's papers.
- 19:40Host 1: It's been a lot.
- 19:42Host 2: It has. We started by unpacking the mechanisms of the global chessboard,
- 19:46Host 2: how naval maneuvers in the Strait of Hormuz and US troop movements in Germany
- 19:50Host 2: literally dictate the baseline of our global economy.
- 19:53Host 1: Right. We looked at how those macro pressures create corporate opportunism
- 19:57Host 1: in airline pricing, and how they hollow out our domestic systems,
- 20:01Host 1: leaving 50% of ICUs without staff and first graders struggling to read.
- 20:05Host 2: We exposed the political musical chairs that prevent real solutions from taking hold.
- 20:10Host 1: And finally, we saw how citizens are fighting back, demanding micro-justice in the courts,
- 20:14Host 1: and actively building community through culture and sports.
- 20:18Host 2: Which brings us to a crucial final thought for you to mull over today.
- 20:23Host 1: Yeah. It's really about the concept of institutional trust.
- 20:26Host 1: We've seen undeniable cracks in global supply chains, local healthcare capacity, and political systems.
- 20:31Host 1: So, moving forward, where do you place your trust?
- 20:34Host 2: That is the big question.
- 20:36Host 1: Do you expend your mental energy waiting for the macro systems,
- 20:40Host 1: the global markets, the military alliances, the political parties, to magically fix themselves?
- 20:45Host 1: Or, do you shift your focus entirely to the micro?
- 20:48Host 2: I mean, in an age of extreme systemic pressure, maybe the most radical act of trust
- 20:53Host 2: is investing strictly in the things you can actually control.
- 20:56Host 1: Exactly. Like fighting for justice in your local community,
- 21:00Host 1: or diligently washing your hands to protect your neighbors.
- 21:03Host 2: Or simply dedicating your weekend to helping your kids build a parade float.
- 21:07Host 2: Do we trust the macro, or do we double down on the micro?
- 21:10Host 1: It's a lot to think about. It really is.
- 21:14Host 1: Today's front pages proved to be an incredibly volatile societal heart rate monitor.
- 21:18Host 1: And we are so glad you joined us to check the pulse.
- 21:22Host 1: Thank you so much for coming along on this deep dive. We will see you next time.