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Birthrate low? Reject men, embrace welfare! · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: And we are alive. Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey
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  Speaker 1: Badger Radio. My name is Brian. I'm here with Allison
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  Speaker 1: and this is maintaining frame birth rate, low reject men
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  Speaker 1: embrace welfare. We are going to be continuing our cave
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  Speaker 1: diving expedition into this article about essentially men no longer needed,
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  Speaker 1: women most affected something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Is that kind of like well, essentially is the state
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  Speaker 2: of the art with the most pressing problem of our age,
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  Speaker 2: which is how to get the pandace to breed I
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  Speaker 2: mean the humans. Yeah, because we're no longer doing that
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  Speaker 2: and increasing numbers and unfortunately for the UN's population projections. Essentially,
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  Speaker 2: the UN's population projections were based on an assumption that
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  Speaker 2: societies would get down to like one point five births
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  Speaker 2: per women per woman and then just sort of rebound
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  Speaker 2: for no apparent reason they based it on. I think
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  Speaker 2: Scandinavia had a brief rebound in the early twenty tens,
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  Speaker 2: and then they looked at that and they said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: everybody's going to do that. Newsplash, They're not Scandinavia. Scandinavia
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  Speaker 2: is now going down again, substantially lower than one point
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  Speaker 2: five I believe, or at least it's substantially lower than
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  Speaker 2: one point seven, whatever number that they arbitrary number that
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  Speaker 2: they pulled out of their ass and said, no, once
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  Speaker 2: we hit there, we're going to rebound back a top
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  Speaker 2: to two point one for sure. So all of the projections,
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  Speaker 2: all of the projections about birth rate based on the
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  Speaker 2: UN's research I'm using the term research very loosely, are
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  Speaker 2: wrong because we are not rebounding at one point seven,
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  Speaker 2: we are not rebounding at one point five, we are
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  Speaker 2: not bounding at one, we're not rebounding at point seven.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact, new projection suggests that once a population
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  Speaker 2: gets over or under one point three, it doesn't come back.
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  Speaker 2: So we're all going down to zero. That is, no
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  Speaker 2: baby's born. And unfortunately, if our society's sort of crater,
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  Speaker 2: it will probably take the Amish with us, because they
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  Speaker 2: still do rely somewhat on modern technology. And also once
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  Speaker 2: the infrastructure breaks, they're going to be dealing with millions
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  Speaker 2: of hungry, very uncomfortable humans flooding everywhere. If okay, Argentina,
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  Speaker 2: they even ate zoo animals when the supply chain broke,
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  Speaker 2: So you imagine that when everything isn't working, that last
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  Speaker 2: generation of old people waddling into the forest to try
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  Speaker 2: to eat animals to keep themselves alive. That's our future.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be horrendous, and we may end up
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  Speaker 2: completely denuding parts of the uh what's remaining of our
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  Speaker 2: wildlife of actual animals anyway, that is, that's probably what's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen to us at some point if we
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  Speaker 2: don't reverse this. So this is the most pressing problem
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  Speaker 2: of our age. There's nothing more important than this. And
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  Speaker 2: I've said before in the past that the one nation
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  Speaker 2: that figures out this problem is going to lead the future.
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  Speaker 2: And that is the problem of where will the human
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  Speaker 2: babies come from? How to get that happening again? Get
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  Speaker 2: how to get births started again? Okay, So this is
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  Speaker 2: a really critical problem, and what we are looking at
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  Speaker 2: is the state of the art. The state of the
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  Speaker 2: art in terms of thinking about it. And if you
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  Speaker 2: haven't been tuning in for our little series on this
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  Speaker 2: superlative product of exceptional minds, it is an argument by
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  Speaker 2: I guess you could probably safely assume that they are
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  Speaker 2: on the left, and the argument is basically, well, we
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  Speaker 2: made men unnecessary by taking the products of their labor
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  Speaker 2: and giving it to a government bureaucracy to redistribute to
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  Speaker 2: women at the point of a gun. And now that
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  Speaker 2: we've done that, let's do it more because what that
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  Speaker 2: resulted from that was cratering in our birth rates. So
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  Speaker 2: surely if we put more gasoline on the fire, that
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  Speaker 2: will put it out. Like this, this is the level
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  Speaker 2: of intellect we're dealing with. This is the level. It
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  Speaker 2: is astounding. Actually, Brian, do you want to at some
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  Speaker 2: point can we play that video that I sent you?
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  Speaker 1: I have it up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Wow, you you're starting to like figure out
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  Speaker 2: what I'm up to even before I am. That's okay.
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  Speaker 1: I just grabbed it because you sent it through. So
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  Speaker 1: let me share my screen so you can see it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, please don't crash, Please don't crash.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's happening.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, discord, discord, Yeah, I don't discord. Was being
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  Speaker 1: a dick. Okay, So go ahead and join my ball
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  Speaker 1: and I'll share it and I will I will. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Let me make sure that the people watching can hear this.
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  Speaker 2: So all right, I'm going to join your call. I
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  Speaker 2: need to.
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  Speaker 1: Ok, all right, let me go Wait, what the hell
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  Speaker 1: is this?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, what is this? Illness?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's okay, it's it's it. I didn't I didn't
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  Speaker 1: change the video.
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  Speaker 3: This is no you see, like literally, I just went
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  Speaker 3: back and okay whatever, I just need to yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: just need to.
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  Speaker 1: Check to make sure that the sound is coming out
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  Speaker 1: of the right lace. So I just need one one
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  Speaker 1: section here browser. Okay, let's see if this works. No, okay,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, I'm gonna go back. I saw this clip
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago. It's kind of yeah, it's an
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  Speaker 1: old clip. I saw it a long time ago, but.
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  Speaker 2: It encapsulates everything, especially the Is it good to go?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm just checking. I just gotta just give me
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  Speaker 1: a second. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry guys.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, it's fine. I'm old. Yeah. Now it's working. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna lower it a little because it's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit loud. All right, here we go.
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  Speaker 4: I'm thirty years old. Not one of my my friends
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  Speaker 4: has children. Zero, no one. No one's having kids. Do
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  Speaker 4: you know how hard you need to abuse a mammal
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  Speaker 4: to make them not have children? Like for real, let's
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  Speaker 4: let's let's step your back a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Look, GDP goes up. People have a lot of have
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  Speaker 4: enough food, you know, and whatever. No one's having kids.
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  Speaker 1: And this is.
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  Speaker 4: Across the world. This is a crossbook the West, the East,
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  Speaker 4: you know, everywhere it's happening. So there's the thing that happens,
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  Speaker 4: especially with younger like even younger than me, Like the
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  Speaker 4: kids are like eighteen today, there's a huge wrong where
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  Speaker 4: they don't dance. No one dances. They go to clubs
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  Speaker 4: and they don't dance. Why is this because you get recorded? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: if you're an eighteen year old kid, you go to
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  Speaker 4: a club, you get recorded. If you approach a girl
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  Speaker 4: and you mess it up, you get recorded. Everything is
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  Speaker 4: the panopticon now. So if you had to ask me why,
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  Speaker 4: my answer is technology, My answer is social media. My
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  Speaker 4: answer is AI. My answer is algorithms. Do you know
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  Speaker 4: what dating act algorithms do? Do you know how they optimized?
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  Speaker 4: They don't optimize you to meet your love of your life,
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  Speaker 4: The optimized to keep coming back to the app.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that was the video. Did you hear it? Did
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  Speaker 1: you see it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, okay, yes I did. I did hear it?
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  Speaker 2: And still not ready to name name the ideology that
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  Speaker 2: explicitly said it was going to destroy pair bonding.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that's ready to do that. Let's blame
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  Speaker 1: technology and apps and algorithms, because you know, everything was
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  Speaker 1: so much better before that. We weren't already like trending
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  Speaker 1: in that direction.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm exactly. And that's another thing. That's another point
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  Speaker 2: that people seem to to miss about all of this
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  Speaker 2: is that this is not a problem that started with smartphones.
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  Speaker 2: It's a problem that started decades before then with the
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  Speaker 2: increase in single women. And so this is something that's
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  Speaker 2: been building and building, and building and dating have just
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  Speaker 2: made it worse.
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  Speaker 1: And they only work because they capitalize on like human nature.
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  Speaker 1: So if the nature is already there, dating apps are
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  Speaker 1: just using that. That's not it's not causing it. It's
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  Speaker 1: not creating that problem, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's get into the get into the paper.
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  Speaker 2: And it's remarkable that we are still not able to
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  Speaker 2: name the actual problem. Literally the ideology that says it
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  Speaker 2: was going to destroy marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, saw the saw the family as oppressive. Okay, our
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  Speaker 1: emotions do not work for us, but our genes. Another
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  Speaker 1: possibly relevant aspect is that, from the perspective of our genes,
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  Speaker 1: pair bonding is not necessarily the best option for reproduction.
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  Speaker 1: A benefit of short term mating is that most women
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  Speaker 1: can gain access to higher quality genes then through pair
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  Speaker 1: bonding with a man of matching mate value. As makes
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  Speaker 1: no sense, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This makes no sense because the thing is that it
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  Speaker 2: assumes that a man who invests in his offspring is
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  Speaker 2: not reproductively fit. And in fact, when you're dealing with
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  Speaker 2: a pair bonding species, of course that's part of the
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  Speaker 2: reproductive fitness. That's why it was selected for, and that's
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  Speaker 2: why it's the predominant trait of human males is to
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  Speaker 2: pair bond, because the investment of paternal investment was critical
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  Speaker 2: to the survival of the species. So what these individuals
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  Speaker 2: are saying is that a trait that is one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent survival of the fittest for humans, because it's been
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  Speaker 2: selected for generation after generation after generation for millions of years,
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  Speaker 2: are millions of years now is somehow irrelevant. We could
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  Speaker 2: just breed it out by having all women have sex
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  Speaker 2: with high status sociopaths. And incidentally, high status sociopaths are
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  Speaker 2: not reproductively fit. They can only exist in a culture
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  Speaker 2: where their behavior is normalized and incentivized. And that isn't
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  Speaker 2: a culture, isn't that? That isn't how we evolve, right,
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  Speaker 2: These these these individuals are parasitic. They're parasitic on how
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  Speaker 2: we reproduce, and they're parasitic on how we as a
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  Speaker 2: species create resources. The men that this paper is suggesting
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  Speaker 2: women breed with are the men who will end up
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  Speaker 2: like their children would inherit a smoking crater. They would
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  Speaker 2: make the smoking crater. Yeah, okay, keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Also, well, just also want to point out again I
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  Speaker 1: said this last time, but because it's been a week,
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  Speaker 1: it also assumes that women are just entitled to higher
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  Speaker 1: quality genes through then through pair bonding with a man
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  Speaker 1: of matching made value. Like how do they determine what's
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  Speaker 1: a match for a woman when the woman is already
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  Speaker 1: another delusional under the delusion that she deserves like the
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  Speaker 1: top five percent, top two percent whatever. So it's it's
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  Speaker 1: already it's operating from a false premise, is what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, or at least an unaddressed one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an unaddressed one. Yes, why do we assume
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  Speaker 2: that women deserve the top five percent of men? But
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  Speaker 2: the other thing is that what are we defining as
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  Speaker 2: the top five percent? No?
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  Speaker 1: I got that part, because that's what you already talked about,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm also adding to that to say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not only are we not defining this well, but we're
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  Speaker 1: also just presuming that women know what that is and
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  Speaker 1: that it's automatically good. That's what it's assuming that women's
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  Speaker 1: choices are always right. So what women want is good
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  Speaker 1: because women chose it. That's why I'm saying, how do
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  Speaker 1: we know this is even a right? Because those women
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  Speaker 1: think so. So anyway, our long term strategies evolve because
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  Speaker 1: more demanding offspring make biparental care increasingly beneficial, but short
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  Speaker 1: term mating remained an alternative, conditional strategy even after our
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  Speaker 1: ancestors evolved the capacity for romantic love. If a woman
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  Speaker 1: experience that no available partner offers sufficient benefit, her emotions
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  Speaker 1: could motivate her to offer a higher value man unwilling
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  Speaker 1: to bond. Their offspring's mortality risk could increase some, but
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  Speaker 1: contributions from kin, especially maternal grandmothers, could help make single
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  Speaker 1: motherhood the better option, at least from the perspective of
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  Speaker 1: her genes. No, so this is basically it takes a village,
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  Speaker 1: is what the argument is here.
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  Speaker 2: No, I've walked through the logic here. The only way
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  Speaker 2: that the grandmother hypothesis works is if a child is
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  Speaker 2: already provisioned adequately by the father. Right, So, the grandmother
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  Speaker 2: only offers a marginal benefit. I'm not saying like it's
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  Speaker 2: a insignificant, but it's marginal. What that means is it's
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  Speaker 2: not essential to the core resources required for offspring survival.
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  Speaker 2: What it does is it enables her daughter to reproduce
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  Speaker 2: more often. Right, so that the whole theory is that
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  Speaker 2: women go through menopause in order to increase or to
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  Speaker 2: assist their daughters in reproduction. Well, yes, but you in
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  Speaker 2: order for that to even play out, the children have
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  Speaker 2: to be have to have to have the resources already,
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  Speaker 2: so they have to be able to survive without the
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  Speaker 2: grandmother for that marginal benefit to even pan out as
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  Speaker 2: something that we evolved, And again it's not. The benefit
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  Speaker 2: is not that the offspring are more likely to be
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  Speaker 2: have more resources, which is something they do. But the
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  Speaker 2: real benefit is that it increases the rate at which
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  Speaker 2: the daughter can reproduce. But again, increasing the rate assumes
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  Speaker 2: that each of those children are provisioned adequately to be
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  Speaker 2: for it to be a benefit, because if you increase
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  Speaker 2: the rate of killing, you know, having a dead grand grandchildren,
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  Speaker 2: that's not a benefit. And the other thing is that
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  Speaker 2: let's just walk through this logically. Let's walk through how
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  Speaker 2: we evolved. All right, Would a pregnant woman want to
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  Speaker 2: have the resources of an adult male human or the
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  Speaker 2: resources of a be an elder female in terms of
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  Speaker 2: which which is more likely to result in surviving offspring?
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  Speaker 2: And the answer is, of course in adult male. Once
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  Speaker 2: you get to the point where resources are essential, like
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  Speaker 2: more than the mother's resources are essential, the most likely
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  Speaker 2: counter party is going to be the father because he
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  Speaker 2: has the most direct investment. And also, adult males by definition,
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  Speaker 2: produce way more resources than elderly females. Okay, so this
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  Speaker 2: is on multiple levels that this is just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other thing is that every a lot there.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot of evolved traits that suggest monogamy.
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  Speaker 2: For example, if we were promiscuous breeders like chimpanzees, male
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  Speaker 2: humans would look like vampires in terms of their canine size.
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  Speaker 2: The difference between a male human and a female humans
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  Speaker 2: canine size is in millimeters average, Right, we would they
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  Speaker 2: You would literally have orc tusks. Hey, guys, we don't
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  Speaker 2: have that it's because the the competition between men has decreased,
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  Speaker 2: which suggests monogamy. It could also maybe suggest polygamy, but
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  Speaker 2: now actually because you still have the competition between the alpha,
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  Speaker 2: like the alpha the silver backs, so it suggests monogamy,
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  Speaker 2: and this has been a feature of our species for
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  Speaker 2: a long time. And then there's also the dimorphism. It's
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  Speaker 2: not that big. I mean, yes, men are significantly stronger
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  Speaker 2: than women, but in terms of size, again, if it
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  Speaker 2: was a polygonus species, you'd be looking at like a
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  Speaker 2: three times like women would be one hundred and twenty pounds,
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  Speaker 2: men would be three hundred and sixty right with giant
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  Speaker 2: orc tusks like it. We don't look like that. We
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  Speaker 2: are not like that. We have a similar dimorphism as wolves,
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  Speaker 2: and wolves also show a kind of sex differential in
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  Speaker 2: their their behavior. So for example, male wolves will specialize
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  Speaker 2: in larger prey and territory defense, whereas female wolves specialize
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  Speaker 2: in finding the den wearing puppies, very young puppies, and
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  Speaker 2: smaller prey that requires more agility. So you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like we are entirely consistent, and there's a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: I could say. The other big thing, which is probably
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  Speaker 2: might be actually unique to humans, is paternal transition. This
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  Speaker 2: is something that they've started to look into. They've realized
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  Speaker 2: is a thing that happens to male humans during the
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  Speaker 2: pregnancy of their mate. They go through a transitional period
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  Speaker 2: where they're hormones, the testosterone and vast oppressing reduce and
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  Speaker 2: they become more They get more oxytocin and prolactin, both
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  Speaker 2: of which sort of facilitate the particular form of uh
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  Speaker 2: parental care that infants require. So men are literally primed
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  Speaker 2: for infant care when they become fathers. So that it's
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  Speaker 2: the idea that not only would we we create children
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  Speaker 2: that can't be provisioned adequately without as you know, like
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  Speaker 2: an adult male involved in the process, but that we
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  Speaker 2: would also that that nature would or we would evolve
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  Speaker 2: this paternal transition for no reason that actually makes them
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  Speaker 2: like when you go through when men go through this,
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  Speaker 2: they lose a lot of their fitness, They lose their
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  Speaker 2: competitive like a competitive edge, They lose a certain amount
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  Speaker 2: of agility, they lose they become more vulnerable to illnesses
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  Speaker 2: like this isn't This isn't this is a cost. This
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  Speaker 2: is a survival cost that's imposed on men, and there's
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  Speaker 2: no reason for us to evolved. It have evolved it
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  Speaker 2: if it wasn't necessary. Paternal care of infants and children
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  Speaker 2: wasn't absolutely necessary to our continuation of the species. So
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  Speaker 2: this is wrong, and this is actually really disturbing because
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  Speaker 2: again the uh so, I'm just checking out my dog again,
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  Speaker 2: the idea that the extractive sociopaths on the top of
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  Speaker 2: the ladder right now. And they're on the top of
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  Speaker 2: the ladder not because they produce anything. That's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: These extractive sociopaths that I don't know, monopolize mating opportunities.
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  Speaker 2: They don't make any resources, they don't take care of
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  Speaker 2: their kids, and they don't take care of anything else.
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  Speaker 2: They just take. They take women, they take from the
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  Speaker 2: industries that they gain control over. And in fact, when
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  Speaker 2: you look at the statistics around these individuals, this type
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  Speaker 2: of man, when he's in a position of leadership, the
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  Speaker 2: industry declines in its productivity. These guys are useless. The
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  Speaker 2: only skill that these men have is being able to
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  Speaker 2: extract what they want out of people. A society of
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  Speaker 2: their bond is a crater, is a fricking crater. They
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  Speaker 2: need something to extract from so they are only functional
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  Speaker 2: when they have a host to parasitize on. And these
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  Speaker 2: are the men. We're saying, oh, this is the top
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  Speaker 2: five percent. Bullshit, this is the top five percent. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Danny DeVito, who takes care of his kids, is in
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  Speaker 2: the top one percent compared to these men. So nobody
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  Speaker 2: should be encouraging this behavior and women, and then think
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  Speaker 2: about what they're saying with this this entire paper. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they're saying that women, women should be sexually available to
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  Speaker 2: these sociopaths who don't invest in anything, who don't provide resources,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: who don't take care of their kids, all right, who
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: are actually evolutionary maybe throwbacks, probably duds for our species,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: that we that they should be encouraging women to mate
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: with the evolutionary the bottom of the barrel. And also
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: that they that women should just accept this situation like that,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that that women that women will be happy to do this.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: What is the motive behind this, because I can tell
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: you women aren't happy with this situation. They are trying
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to make these men, who will never like their category
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: it categor Warkley, incapable of committing to anything. They're trying
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: to make these men commit they're never going to do it,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and they're not happy. And then they have feminism telling
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: them that their unhappiness with this situation is them not
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: being independent enough, strong and independent enough, Like what what
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: what is this paper trying to argue? And then again,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: all of its interventions aren't going to do a damn
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: thing for the birth rates, because they're the same problems
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that God us in this situation in the first place.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm done, my rent.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, should I keep reading? I mean, I got a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: super rumble rant.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Uh sure, O.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Gives us two dollars and says shout out to rumble bros.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Shout out to you guys. Okay, all right, so back
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to this. They're offspring's mortality risk would increase some, but
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: contributions from kin, especially with grandmothers, could help make single
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: motherhood the better option, at least from the perspective of
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: her genes.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Shit, oh god, I'm sorry. I know we're just reading
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: this again and it's pissing me off again. Yeah, it's
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, yeah, ladies, go breed with the like
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the bottom of the gene pool, Go breed with the parasites.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: That'll surely that will make the world better.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so Dawkins twenty sixteen stated a bit hyperbolically
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that quote, we are survival machines robot vehicles blindly programmed
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to preserve the selfish molecules known as genes end quote.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: In other words, our genes have programmed into us emotions
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: that do not work for us but for the genes themselves.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: A woman would have made value in the sixtieth percentile
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: may desperately long for a partner, but if the biochemical
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: algorithm that governs her mating strategies in response to her
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: maternally abundant environ will not release love inducing hormones unless
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a potential potential partner scores above the ninetieth percentile, pair
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: bonding becomes less likely. Similarly, our female ancestors may not
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: intentionally have wanted to become a single mom, yet still
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: have been emotionally motivated to behave in a way that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: mix their genes with those of a higher value man.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Depending on individual circumstances and the environments mating morality, such
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: pregnancies could also result in a pair bond one the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: man otherwise might have declined. So I guess we'll keep going.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: These examples are those examples.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: The staper is just really badly written. Yeah, yeah, I'm
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: finding it difficult to pars sometimes.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Well, they're basically, i mean, this last paragraph is basically
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: rating other things. First of all, they're treating attraction as
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: purely biological and genetic. So they're like really like, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: breaking it down into its core components, and they're saying,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: since it is biological, it's impossible to resist. So this
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: is like, actually, it's kind of the reverse of what
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: we're accustomed to, which is, you know that we're accustomed
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to responding to content that makes the claim that everything
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: is socialized. Everything is cultural, and especially when it comes
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to men and their and their nature, they don't have
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a nature. Everything is socialized. But when it comes to this,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: everything is genetic. Now, oh, it's just your genes just
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: doing what they do. You know, it's nobody's fault that
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you want the top one percent of guys. We're just
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: gonna have to get you access to that top one
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: percent guy, and he doesn't have to stick around and
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: pay for anything, but we'll make sure to charge the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: ninety percent of men you know that that are not
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: getting any We're gonna use taxation to basically like get
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and the redistribute money to you so you can raise
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that child and will also conscript the entire family or
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the entire community to help with that. Hence you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: grandma's or whatever.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that works so well with the black community.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's actually literally was in the Black Lives
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Matter Charter, right, we disrupt the nuclear family and the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: patriarchal norms and roles in favor of using a village
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: to raise a child with involving mothers, grandmothers, and parents,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: not fathers, not men. Parents doesn't means not men basically.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: So it's basically just taking that and then expanding it
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: out to everybody. So this is like the plan for everybody.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's usually how you know what the plan is.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: You just look at what's happening in the black population
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and you basically extrapolate that, Oh yeah, they're gonna do
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that to us. That's what they want for all of us.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: So anyway, though, these examples illustrate how short and long
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: term mating strategies should not be viewed as entirely separate
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: pathways facilitating either promiscuity or pair bonding, but as interacting
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: in a complex ways to optimize reproductive outcomes. It can
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: therefore be imprecise to interpret female dating at behavior, for instance,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: as a conscious shift from long to short term mating.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: A more accurate framing could be that as many men's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: utility as long term partners diminish, women's increasingly shift increasingly
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: a women increasingly shift from assortitative to hypergamous mate choice,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: pursuing higher percentile men rather than similar percentile ones.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: So as we extract money from men and give it
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to women, the average men becomes less attractive.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, and that's something that's completely like, again, nothing we
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: can do it. We're like, this is what the paper
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: is claiming that nothing can be done. This is pure genetics.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Like the economy is genetic, guys, It's a genetic economy.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and also we're not going to look at
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the fact that most social production is harnessing men's desire
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: to take care of their kids. Yes, and now that's gone.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: And guess what the society. Societies that are embracing this
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: are seeing lower and lower declines and productivity. I mean,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: it's across the board. Everybody's dealing with this now. But yeah,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: like that's ah, that's essentially what they're saying, So let's
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: do more of it. Let's let's extract more from an
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: increasingly smaller group of motivated men. So the successful single
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: men and the the husbands and fathers, let's extract from them.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And they're getting smaller and smaller. Right, this is a
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: this is a shrinking pool. Single mothers are a net drain,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and you have a sink, a very increasing pool, like
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: a shrinking pool. Because there's a lot of single men
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: now who are like, well, I don't even need to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I don't even need to get on the treadmill. Why bother? Right,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I can just have a very very low paid job
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and just do what I want with my life. I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: don't have to be stressed about it. Or there's also
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: there's also another school school of thought that a guy
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: will work for however long in the highest paid job
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: he can then just retire. Right, So there's a lot
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: of single men who are just opting out. So what
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: remains are the fewer and fewer and fewer fathers who
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: work in order to support their families. And now they
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: are expected not just to support their families, and there's
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: less and less and less of them. They are expected
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: to support the children of single mothers. But also, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: actually single mothers aren't really having children, so that doesn't
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: work either. So we'll just get we will just create
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: more of the population that produces nothing materially and no
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: children from the population that produces children and material goods.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Makes sense, I mean, it does make sense until you
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: have there's no population left to extract from.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: M hmm.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe you could hit up those sociopaths that that are
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: supposedly the top one percent of the human race.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it's a death cult, Alison. It's a death cult.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know how else to describe it. It's a
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: genocidal death cult, all right, but at.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Least in terms of its behavior.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Okay, So I got another rumble rant
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: from OIC and he gives us a dollar and says,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: this paper, ignore your intelligence. Also ignore that your genes
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: coded for intelligence only hormones and fields. All right, thank
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you for that. And we got people in the vertical
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: chat that are confused. I guess you guys weren't ready
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: for this conversation.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: So no, not a lot of people are the conversation
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that needs to be had, but nobody's prepared for except us.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: We've been prepared for like fifteen years. Yep, we've been
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: preparing for this call, this very conversation. We're like the
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: like the guy who's been working out his pinky finger
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: for fifteen years just for the single moment when it'll
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: be useful. So yeah, that's a if you guys are confused. Essentially,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: we're talking about the fact that everybody's waking up to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the birth rate crisis and we have the sacred ancient wisdom,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: and that sacred ancient wisdom is that the ideology that
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: said it was going to destroy human marriage, marriage and
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: human pair bonding is responsible for destroying marriage and human
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: pair bonding. I know that is that that's just gonna
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: blow everyone's minds. Eh, Yeah, Like I know you're hearing.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: This fhoals are being accomplished.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably hearing this first here. But we lay
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the blame for the destruction of the birth rate on
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: the feet of the people who openly said that they
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: were going to destroy marriage and human pair bonding. Because again,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: children are downstream of men and women getting together and
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: forming relationships. This is something that we forgot as a
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I guess as a culture, and now we are remembering it,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: or at least we're trying to avoid remembering it, which
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: is almost like remembering it. Okay, do you want to
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: read some more?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay. This perspective also clari contemporary women's heided emphasis
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: on good genes indicators. Uh, why does it Why? It
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: does not mean a widespread preference for lifelong casual sex
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: or family over family formation. Instead, as individual women have
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: raised their minimum standards for long term partners, the aggregated
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: threshold threshold for acceptable mate value now exceeds what men
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: can collectively offer, creating a structural mismatch that leaves a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: family formation increasingly unattainable. Women's short term shift is mostly
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: not a promiscuous strategy. Rather, it represents hypergamus filtering, an
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: effort to secure a long term partner who meets economically
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: independent women's increasingly stringent requirements for genetic and overall make quality.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So again they're saying this is women's fault, but they're
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: not calling it women's fault. They're saying, well, looks like
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the guys are not stepping up enough, and now women
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: just want like supermen. And you know the fact that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: we've essentially done everything we could to like take value
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: away from men's ability to compete in this market. That's irrelevant.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Let's just say it's just the way the chips fall,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: bro you know. And the other thing too. Again, this
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: is still making this claim that somehow women deserve any
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of this, Like they're like, it just says they've raised
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: their standards. Well maybe they shouldn't, Like, why are their
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: standards so high? Like it's really like, what do they
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: bring into the relationship, tens of thousands of dollars of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: college debt, credit card debt, probably like all kinds of
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: daddy issues and whatnot. How are they in any position
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: to negotiate for like the highest possible quality guy, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that this paper doesn't even recognize that as a potential factor.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: They're just like, well, looks like women are just asking
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: for more and there's nothing about what men are asking for.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: That's not even on the table. It's not even a question.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well but and also, okay, men are women are
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: asking for more? Okay, they're not getting it, right. You
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: can ask for whatever you want. I could ask for
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a unicorn. I'm probably not going to get it, Okay,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: So sure women can ask for the top five percent
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of men, but nobody gets them. Then, right, you either,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: if you're a man who's in the top five percent,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: you either marry young or you end up being fought
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: over by ninety five percent of women or night one
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: hundred percent of women. And I don't want to say
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: you have no reason to settle down, but it becomes
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: very difficult, especially when the dating landscape is slanted in
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: such a way that the minute even a five a
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: top five percent man settles down, he loses the ability
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: to command the interest of his email partner because once
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: he becomes available to her, he's available to her, and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: that he loses that ability to induce fear of missing out.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: All right, So once he settles with her, her her
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: girlfriends are no longer jealous, and she's that there's that
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: no longer that sense of potential loss that she thinks
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is actually love. This is the other thing that I've
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: noticed about women. They mistake uncertainty for connection. So once
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the man settles, let's see, you'll say he's totally one
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: hundred five top five percent, he settles for a woman,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: he immediately drops into the bottom thirty because he's no
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: longer no longer unobtainable. Right, So this this entire situation
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: sorts against any kind of stable pair bond formation. So
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: we have not only this, not only the problem with
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the women's expectations are not linear. They're always the top
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: five percent, the top ten percent, whatever you want to
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: call it, the top twenty percent, sally's the top of
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the population, because they want to make their girlfriends jealous, right,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: and they want that feeling that they might that they
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: of uncertainty which they've mistaken for actual attraction or connection.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: And once they get it right, once the men are
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: they get a man like that. The instant he settles
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: for them, that disappears and he's no longer worth having.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: So we have str they have a bunch of structural problems.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: The first is all men can't be in the top
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: five percent. That is a mathematical truth that is inescapable, right,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: because as soon as all men get over the bar
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: of whatever the top five percent represents, women will then
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: choose the top five percent of the new population of men.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: So when they say that men, what did they say
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that men?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: N As individual women have raised their minimum standards for
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: long term partners, the aggregated threshold for acceptable mate value
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: now exceeds what men can collectively offer, creating a structural mismatch,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: mismatch that leaves family formation increasingly unattainable.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so if men go up over that bar,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the bar raises because it's always the top whatever percent.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: But here's the other problem which makes it's a compounding
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: structural problem. Even a man in the top five percent
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: loses his value as soon as he commits, right, so
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: you have it's always the top five percent of men,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: and any even a man in the top five percent
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: isn't in the top five percent. As soon as he commits,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: he loses his value. You Because the way that women
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: look at relationships now, and this is what I'm judging
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: from from these the women how they talk about it
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: is they misunderstand what love and companionship is. They mistake
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: it for fear of missing out and uncertainty and also
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: possibly love bombing by sociopaths and the emotional whiplash of
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: being in a relationship with a sociopath. That this is
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: this is what they think love is, This is what
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: they think a relationship is. And this is why I
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: bok and saying that women have raised their standards. I
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: don't I won't look at that and see a raised standard.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I look at that and see a massively devaluated human being. Right,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: because what is the benefit. What is the benefit of
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: being on a roster of a sociopaths rolodex? What's then
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: to fit to you? And I could see how women
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: are bending over backwards to tolerate this, and feminism gets
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: them to metabolize it as being strong and independent. But
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: all they are is some jackasses booty call. No man
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: is going to show up for them. No man shows
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: up for them. They don't want the men who would
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: show up for them. They don't want the men who
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: would actually choose them as a life partner. To me,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: that smacks of insecurity. The smacks of lowering your sense
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: of self, lowering what you expect. Okay, shall we continue?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. This perspective also clarifies contemporary women's heightened
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: emphasis on good genes indicators. Oh I already read that part,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: didn't I? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Similarly, in our pre contraceptive
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: pill past, women's sex with higher value men was often
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: best understood as a high risk, long term strategy. If pregnant,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: he led to pair bonding, that was the optimal outcome.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: But even if the woman was left to care for
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the child with only kid support that could still be
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: conditionally adaptive. Such an offspring, especially in environments where women's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: place high value on gene quality, could have greater reproductive
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: success than an offspring with two parents but lower mate value.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: No, keep going, finishing.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: The fact that a single mother might struggle more without
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the support of a partner would not be of primary
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: importance to her genes.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Of course, Well it's and it's not. It doesn't even
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: make sense on its face.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: The only reason why we would be structured this way
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: way is if men were essential for the men's resources
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: were essential for the raising of their offspring. And this
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: is this is ridiculous. Even if the woman was left
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: to care for the child with the only kind support,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: that could still be conditionally adaptive. That's a lot of ifs,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Like they're literally looking. And the other thing is, if
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: this was the case, then we would have selected for
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: against paternal provisioning. Okay, like we would have selected against it,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Like women would be able to provision their offspring and
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: they're not. Like a woman in the wild with an
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: infant is dead. Both are dead. I mean, hell, it's
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: hard enough for a man with a woman in an
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: infant to survive. Right, It's hard enough for a family
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to survive. And now they're saying, oh, yeah, she can
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: just wander to the savannah with a squalling infant. Yeah,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: she can be taken care of by the lions pretty quick.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: And this is ridiculous. You just have to walk it
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: through logically. Anyway.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got aow.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't even do the things. I didn't even do
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: the things.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: No, you kind of launched them to a massive rant.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: But let me read it out first. Okay, great and
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Doris gave us five dollars and said the late doctor
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Jane Goodall would be overjoyed at this news of falling
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: human populace. After all, doctor Goodall identified human population growth
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: of one of the three foundational threats of PLANETARYUS survival.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: She advocates for tackling overpopulation entirely through them non coercive measures,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: emphasizing that empowering women and improving female education are the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: most effective ways to lower birth rates globally. Well, she
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't wrong about their effectiveness. But it is strange how
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: in hindsight they don't credit they don't credit any credit
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: for it. I guess you mean, don't give her any
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: credit for it? All too eager to point instead of
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: instead to social media, AI, smartphones, androids. Perhaps, Donna Haroway
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: feminists are always too humble about their real world achievements,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: don't you agree. I think that a lot of it
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that most people uh
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: buy into some baseline ideas that would have to be questioned, like,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: you know, like what is like whether or not education
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: for women was a mistake or at least in the
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: way that it was done. All that stuff that you
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: just said about doctor Goodall and what you know she
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: promoted which happened and is having this effect right now.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: A lot of people like the guy that that video
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that we showed at the beginning of the show, But
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of people would be like, well, I'm not
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: going to go there, because again, they don't want to
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: be seen as sexist towards women or going backwards or something.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: And again, it doesn't we don't have to do any
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: of that. We could just be asking the question, but
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: they don't want to have to ask the question. It's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: too it's too scary for people.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: So it's it's a scary question. Yeah, all right, let's
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: read it. Oh wait, okay, I.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Got another one. Uh roboto one two, three, four, five
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: sixty seven. And Rumble gave us a dollar and said,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: is there ever an end to female competition as marriage
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to end it? Blaming dating sites that put
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the advantage in the female sphere not against it. Third,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you seem to have a solid marriage. Okay, well, I
• 46:18
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• 46:21
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• 46:26
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• 46:31
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• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Of course, genes do not perform agentic calculations. We must
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: not take Dawkins's metaphor literally Ball twenty twenty three. Yet
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the genes eyeview helps explain why are evolved mating emotions
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: often fail to align with the outcomes we consciously desire.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: This tension is captured in folk wisdom as quote you
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: don't get to choose who you fall in love with
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: end quote, or as Emily Dickinson put it, quote the
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: heart wants what it wants end quote. What's curios is
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: this like the natural consequence of sort of like buying
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: into the ginocentric romantic model or romantic model of chivalry,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: because that whole idea, the heart wants what it wants,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I wonder if that is impulse
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: chivalry because in the old days, and when I say
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the old days, I mean like centuries before, we didn't
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: we just we didn't pair bond because out of like
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I guess something involving luxury. We did it out of necessity.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: And so and people learned to love each other like
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: they grew to love each other, and not to say
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: they didn't at first, but it was more more often
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: than not, it was a matter of proximity. I lived
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: in the village and I'm I, you know, I work
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: on the farm, and the daughter of the blacksmith, like
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: you know, our families are close. I'm going to marry her,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and that was it. It wasn't like, well, am I rising
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: her up correctly? Do I do I get her thinking
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: about me, like in the middle of the night or whatever.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like that. I think that's that's a modern invention.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I wonder about that because it seems like it's getting
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: to the point now where they're like, well, since love,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: which you know, most people don't seem to be able
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: to define it anyways, especially the people who wrote this
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: article or this paper, since love is something that we
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: can't really define, and it just sort of happens. And
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: it just so happens that women looking for mates are
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: not even selecting for love per se. They're just like, well,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: that guy makes good money, or that guy can make
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: me feel safe or whatever, and so or he fuck
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: yeah or he dicked me down good. And they'll just
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: be like, well, that's love then, and you deserve that
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: and you should get that instead of thinking what you know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: like the like, it's just it's still doing this. It's
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: it's completely kinocentric, is what I'm saying. It's completely different, different,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: in complete difference deference to women's approval. Like the whole
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: thing is written like, well, whatever the woman wants, she gets.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: What the heart wants it wants, right, that doesn't apply
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: to men in this there's no that doesn't apply to
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: men though, in any of this stuff, because if it did,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: and then they would have to address the overwhelming majority
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: of men that this article or this paper is recognizing
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: will get left behind. They're they're recognizing the overwhelming majority
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: of men are not going to reproduce. So apparently the
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: heart wants what it wants, but not when it's men.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Because most men, most people want a pair bond, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: this paper assumes that women don't. They want to be
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: able to just you know, have a fling if they
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: want to, and if they are gonna pair bond, they
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: deserve the highest quality man they can get, and men,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: well they just get what they get, like nobody cares.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, well I have I would have maybe something
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: to say that would be different. I think that there
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: was like I think there is a place for romantic love. However,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: the kind that I'm talking about is more like the
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Christian the way that Christians arranged their core. And it
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't a situation where it's just a it's
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: just a mating market free for all, right. The family
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't involved, But the ultimate decision was the two people
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: and who were because that's the that's the way the
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Church saw the relationship. It was was not produced by
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: the marriage. It was consecrated or consecrated or recognized by
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: the marriage, and it had to be a situation where
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: the two people consented to it. So I mean, okay,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if we necessarily have to get
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: rid of that idea or even Christian courtship, because that's
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: really what the argument is, that no, we can't. We
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: have to go back to cousin marriage and everything is
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: arranged by families and lineage and that kind of thing.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure we want to necessarily go back
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: to that because that comes with some some traveling baggage
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: that that I'm not sure we want because generally, generally
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: those societies tend to be very tribal. They tend not
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: to have this kind of advanced infrastructure and stuff like that. So,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: you know, if it all possible, it'd be nice to
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: to just find a nice medium between and I don't
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: even know if it's romantic love. Is does manifestel represent
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: romantic love? Does it represent a relationship in which people
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: two people care for each other and you know, just
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: stay together to deal with the you know, the the
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: trivial travels of life, right, because there's there's a difference
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: between what's happening now and a relationship. So for example,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: you're in a you're in a village or a small
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: town or town, medieval town. Two people you meet, you
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: have your courtship. It is sort of, uh, the structure
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: of it is arranged by your families. You end up
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: getting married, and that is of love based marriage, and
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: it starts with love, but it doesn't start with sex.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And you don't get to freaking leave your relationship right,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: get that, you get your chance, you solidify your chance,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: and that's it. There you go, right. I mean, that's
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: a lot different than what we're seeing with the dating marriage.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: The dating situation now, and love doesn't even seem to
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: come into it with a lot of these women. It's
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: entirely transactional. And that's a big problem with it. Like
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: if you're going to say we should go back to
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: relationships marriages being entirely transactional, while we're there. Marriages today
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: are entirely transactional. In many cases. You think any man
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: marrying manifestella is going to get a romance and there's
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: all like women are exactly like that. Right now, they
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: are approaching relationships entirely transactionally. They they are not approaching
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: them in terms of any kind of love. So we're there,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: We're maximally there with the transactional thing. Women are no
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: longer interested in too, having to hold through sickness and
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: in health for richer or for poorer. They're entirely interested in,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: can you pay off my student debt? Right? Will you
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: tolerate me?
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Slipping out on Friday night to the guy who do
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: he fuck good? Right? Like this kind of stuff. It's
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: entirely transactional now, So I don't know, like it's if
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: you're gonna say that romantic love is the problem. The
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: problem that I see is that it's entirely transaction transactional.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: In fact, it's not even transactional. It's one way. It's parasitic,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: but it's it's coarse and callously parasitic on the part
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: of women. They no longer want or believe that that
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: love is a good thing now. They want they want
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: his bag and her bag too. Okay, do you geet
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Like, I feel like I feel like
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: there's a middle ground here between saying that loving your
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: partner is the problem, and between regarding romantic love to
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: being the problem and middle ground between cousin marriage, romantic
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: love and what we're seeing now, which is purely transactional
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: and everything excused by what women supposedly want. Except again,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I'm going to point out that when they say the
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: heart wants what it wants, they're encouraging women to live
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: in cold wars, in a cold war state with a
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: sociopath orbiting a sociopath, which is that's not love. It is.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: It is transactional, but he's the one extracting, and it's
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: not marriage. It's just it's just a species whose birth
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: rate is cratering. That's what it is. But anyway, I'm like,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm like really thinking that there has to be
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: a happy medium between everything is arranged by the family
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: and we can do the Christian type courtship thing right,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: And then also what we have now is not actually
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: romantic love. There's nothing romantic about what these women are doing.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: There's no sense that they are offering anything loving, and
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: there's no sense that they even care about being loved
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: by a man. I mean, there is a sense that
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: they care about being loved by a man, but not
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: sufficient to actually challenge whatever is keeping them in orbit
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: around a sociopath rather than finding a man who will
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: commit to them. I don't know, maybe I'm just confused.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Just put that out there. Maybe people can figure it out. Okay,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: all right, maybe you can figure it out.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Ran I got a rumble rant. No, I mean, like
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: like a third way. Yeah, well, I mean I think
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: that there's I think that the way we been doing things,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: not with the dating apps and stuff, but the way
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: we were doing things before, we should just like go
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: with what works, is all I'm saying, Like, and it's
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: and look, there are people who still make it work.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: There are people who get married and stay married, like
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: like you and me. And I wouldn't consider my situation
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: to be particularly like you know, ultra traad orthodox or anything,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: but like it works, but I do. But the problem
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: is is that it's not even entertained right now by
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: like the people who are writing these papers, by our
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: intellectual betters, by the anointed. You know, they're based, like
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: they know what's happening. Look, I don't think these people
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: are dumb. I think they know what they're doing. They're
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: doing it on purpose. And now that we're at this point.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: They're basically just saying, well, we're already halfway to the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: end of everything. Let's just keep going. We will just
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: we'll make robots that will raise your kids or something.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: We have a plan. Someone will rise, something will happen,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: it will work out. We will get to the end
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: of history and they'll be like a real truth that
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: is unfolded. But right now, we just got to power
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: through it. And there's gonna be some pain and suffering,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: you know, there's gonna be some people are not gonna
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: make it, but it's a sacrifice that we are willing
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: to make. And that's I think that's what's going on.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Like they're tanking the population, probably because they think that
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: the earth is more important than the people who live
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: on it as well, not them, but other people, you
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: you know. Mm hmm.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: So okay, I have a I think I have another
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: way of pointing at I think this dismissal of and again,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: we'd really have to pin down what is defined by
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: romantic love. My definition I'm using is just the bond
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: between a man and woman, you know, the desire like
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: basically a pair bond, right, so, and a freely chosen
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: terrbon so in other words, the two choose it, it's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: not necessarily chosen for them, which is the big innovation,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: the big Christian innovation, although there were probably societies like
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Rome that did it before them, but it was there
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: that making that kind of a part of the sacrament,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: that the man and the woman have to consent to it.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: So that would be what I would term romantic love.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: But there were expectations placed, like you got your chance,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: you got your courtship, you found your partner, and then
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: that was it. Right you didn't you didn't you didn't
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: shop at least outside of the courtship phase, which could
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: be protracted. But you know, once you settle down, that
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: was it. Now you are married the end, and that
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: was a critical part of it. There was no like
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: divorce unless there was something extreme going on. You got
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: your chance, you settled with it, and you moved on
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: with your life. So that would be the way that
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I would carry I don't know if that's carried. Is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: that carre characterized as romantic love, but just basically the
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: idea that it's the church that consecrates the relationship, it
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't create it.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't think of it like that. I think
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: that that's like a different kind of love, like romantic love.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I think that it's easier to summarize as simple infatuation
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: that with like a real love is not that? Like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: what this is the thing what this article is referring
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: to in terms of female mating preferences is simply like
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: what makes them tangled in the nether regions? What is
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: an infatuation? And they're not calling it that? And so
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: what that's why, like the magic goes away because they're
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: getting involved with a guy, you know, base for for
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: very base, primal reasons, lustful reasons to be To be honest,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's I mean, that's what we
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: call romantic love now, but I don't think it is love.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's just infatuation. It's lust, you know, in
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: the moment. And what this paper is trying to do
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: is say, well, lust is basically love. It's it's just
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the genes, it's just the genes, it's just biology happening
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: and anything that may come as an unfortunate side effect
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: of acting on your lustful impulses because you saw someone
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: that looked good to you in the moment. Yeah, when
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: they say oh, if that resulted in a pregnancy, then
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, maybe the guy doesn't stick around. Maybe
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: he does. If he doesn't, then you know you have
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: like your family, it'll be okay, Like it's very and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: it's you know, somebody in the vertical chat. I think
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: it was in the vertical chat, uh said, I'm gonna
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: read it because it's exactly what we've been saying. Let
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: me see where was it it? Where was it? It
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: was something about about the well.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: You find it. I can just get in here.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I just saw it a second ago. Go ahead, all right.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, so we'd have to sort of
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: qualify our terms. What is romantic love is Is it
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: lust versus you know, philia plus desire? I mean, because
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: there's a certain amount of sexual desire with with male
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and female humans that you're going to get rid of.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: But is it based on the relationship. Because I remember
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: listening to a priest talk about this or pastor, and
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: for a long time I didn't quite understand what he
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: was getting at, but he was talked about the difference
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: between desire based on lust and desire based on love.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: So there's desire based on lust, which is about the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: physical features the technique, the fomo, you know, the novelty,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: and it's really about using your partner as a source
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: of sexual pleasure. And then there's desire based on the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: relationship itself, so it comes out of your affection and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: your loyalty and your sense of shared purpose with your partner. Right,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: So there's like this this separation between using a sexual
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: partner as a sexual convenience versus the desire coming out
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: of a relationship. And they taught this guy talked about,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: you know how when people just lead with sex, they're
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: leading with using the person as a sexual like a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: sex toy, Like they just become about how they can
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: get extract sexual pleasure out of the person. Whereas if
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: you go through this process of this courtship, you're actually
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: creating the relationship, you're deepening the relationship, and then the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: passion comes out of your connection with another person on
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: a level on an emotional level, you know, on a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: spiritual level, and a level of shared purpose. And he
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: was talking about all this, and when I would listening
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: to it, I was trying to sort of understand it
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: because it took me a while to really differentiate between
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: sharing an intimacy with another person and using another person
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: as a sexual convenience, right, And that was I think
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: that's what's different, right, So with the Christian courtship, and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going to use that because that's the model, right,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: that is the original model. That is probably a big
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: part of what sold Christianity to everybody in Europe and
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: around the world is that Christian courtship. Right. It's about
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: having the relationship and then the desire emerging out of
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: that connection between two people on unemotional and a spiritual
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: And yeah, they're probably were physically attracted to each other,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: but they waited for the rest of the things to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: sort of build up before something happened, before they had
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: their honeymoon, right, So they gave it time for it
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to mature into something. And that whole thing, you know,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: is not about what this person is talking when she
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: says the heart knows what it knows. No, it doesn't. Right,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: you're talking about lust, like you were saying, Brian, You're
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: not talking about love. And the thing is that how
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: did that become synonymous with romantic love or whatever you
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: want to call the Christian courtship model, right, So allowing
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: the relationship to deepen on multiple dimensions before you introduce
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: the sexual element, because this isn't what that is. What
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: we're doing now in our society is not that. It's
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: like the exact opposite of that. And so how can
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: you call both of those things romantic love? Or what
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: do we refer to these things as? I don't know.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Anyway, all Right, I got a bunch of super chats
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Someone to read them? Well, rumble rants mostly okay.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Nova Fan twenty one gave it and said, for some reason,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I doubt the article acknowledges the women that gradually fall
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: in love with a man despite initially being repulsed by him. Well,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: it has no interest in those women. And I don't
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: even think those women are actually initially repulsed. They were
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: probably just uncertain, they didn't feel safe around him. That's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: usually what it starts off as. But uh okay. Roboto
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: gives another dollar and says, when did marriage stop being transactional?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Has marriage ever been not transactional? This seems like a
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: set up to a skit with no punchline. Do you
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: want to answer to that? Allison? Allison? Are you there?
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Did you meet yourself? Did you drop out?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Yes? I reverse muted. Damn it. I was, Yes, I
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: wanted to get in on this, of course I do,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: And I think it actually clarifies what I was getting at.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: When you have that kind of do we want to
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: call it romantic love? Donald godly love? What? What do
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: you call that? Spiritual?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: If it's like a love between it's not romantic, it's
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's deeper than that. That's all. That's all
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I can say for now. It's deeper than that. I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: think romantic love is like it's like a love, it's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: not even love, it's it's an infatuation. That is, you're
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: responding to someone who is essentially performing gestures. The romantic
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: model is men do things like put their jackets on
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: the puddle, and they bring flowers and they get down
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: on one knee and those things, those gestures are gestures
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: of romantic love. The woman doesn't really have anything to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: do except accept or reject. And that's that model that
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: we have all in sort of like adapted to right
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: now or just sort of like considered normally. But a marriage, yeah,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: but but a marriage like when you get into a
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: relationship with someone, uh, and you're married, whether that's in
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: a church or or not. That's not the same kind
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: of love because obviously, if you're with someone in a while,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: the man gonna stop getting your chocolates everything, you know,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: every Valentine's Day and like buy you stuff because now
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: you're building a life together, now you're committing to something,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: you're raising children. So it's not gonna be romantic in
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: that sense. That's why I'm saying I know what you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: mean by I think what you're trying to say when
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: you're talking about romantic love and you want to keep
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: it is this is this the the is the commitment
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: part of it is like the you know, there is
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: obviously gonna be a physical attraction. That's that's necessary. That's
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be sexual attraction's gonna be uh. But there's also
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: like a commitment. There's like a partnership, there's an investment.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: You are now you you are you know in the church,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: you both become one flesh because you are basically joined together.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: You are part of a clan. The clan is you
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: and your wife and maybe your pets and your children
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: and your and your extended family. So that that's the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: purpose of those things. But those are not necessarily romantic.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: So and I think that when people think of romance,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: especially today, they think of those those uh, those gestures,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: and everyone everybody internalizes it. Like it's not just like
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: you know, leftists that that claim to hate that stuff,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: but because they don't. Actually feminist women want that too.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: They just they just want to feel like they're in control,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: so they like create all this other stuff. They're rhetoric,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: and of course we know the trad cons do it,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: but like that that none of this is it's all
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: it's kind of artificial. It's it's superficial. Because again, if
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: you lived in you know, even like you don't have
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: to go back in time, you just live in a
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: rural part of you know, of America. If you live
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: in rural America and you're like on a farm, you're
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: and maybe you're not using the internet all the time,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: you're probably gonna meet someone in the in your vicinity,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: in your proximity that shares you know, your customs, your culture,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: your language, and by that I mean not just English,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: but like you know, if you're from the South, for example,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: you probably have a certain way of speaking and you
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: go to the same places you go, you know, and
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: so when you when you get married to someone like
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: that there's a recognition that this isn't about you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: like oh he gives me butterflies in my stomach or whatever.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: You know, you know what it is. It's a ginocentric
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: courtship versus more of an arduous courtship. Yeah, if that
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: makes sense, Like.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: The way that courtship is arranged in I don't even
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: want to say more traditional societies because to be frank,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the Christian courtship is actually something that's quite new, but
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: the way that they arrange is is quite arduous. Like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: it's an extended amount of time you have to avoid
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: a certain behave for someone who you are developing a
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: deeper sexual attraction to, you know. So it's it's a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: shared hardship in a way. It's not the man giving
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stuff to the woman. It's a
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: shared hard it's more like, like I said, arduous courtship
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: versus gynocentric courtship. And and you getting through it is
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: like the first thing that you do as as partners,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: and you have to get through the necessity of patience
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: and discipline, right, you have to get through the social expectations.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: So you're starting the relationship with a shared project, which
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: is the courtship. And I guess you're right that probably
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: isn't necessarily romantic, although ironically a lot of romance novels,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: like the best selling romance novels, share that model. I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: don't I know that this sounds strange, but it's they
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: share them model of the arduous courtship, the courtship that
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: demands something from you, that expects something from you, expects
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: discipline and patience, right as opposed to what we have now,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: which is this kind of empty, fatuous, gynocentric signaling where
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: men provide stuff for women. And I want to I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: wanted to say something about chivalry. I think we've forgotten
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: why that exists. Chivalry is like a ritualized set of
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: gestures that sort of evoke the fact that in many ways,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: women move through the world under the protection of men. Yeah,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't seem like it in this world,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: But once you go to a situation where the environment
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: isn't calibrated to women, it's actually more calibrated to what
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: the environment actually is, then you realize that women do
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: move under the protection of men. Like so I'll use
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: an example.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: They still do. Yeah, for sure, go ahead.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just invisible because or invisible to them because
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: they it's police.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: We made it. We made it so safe that they
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: take it for granted. It's we've given them everything they want.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: It's power steering, it's toilets, public toilets, right, it's air conditioning.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: All of these things allow women to move through the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: environment comfortably in a way that that has never been
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: in the past. But the example I want to use,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: I know this is going to go in a weird direction,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: is actually naval warships because they have this big drive
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: to get women into warships in the West. This isn't
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: just the US, it's across the West. There was this
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: big drive to go from like to get women on warships.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: It started it started actually years and years ago, in
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: like the eighties, and they got it up to nine percent,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: and then in about two thousand and eight they wanted
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: to increase it to twenty five percent. They got it
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: up to about twenty percent eighteen twenty one. And what
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: ended up happening, and I've talked I think I've talked
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: about this before, is they quadrupled the pregnancy rate. And
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons why is because it's
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: returning men and women to that kind of primal situation
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: where the environment can't be navigate, Like a woman can't
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: navigate the environment without a man on a naval warship
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: because it's made for men and a lot of the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: activities on a naval ship a woman isn't actually capable
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: of doing for herself, right. So one of the I
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: was talking to Tildeer about this and they changed their
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: physical standards from like a bunch of CrossFit stuff to
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: actually being able to heave like fifty pounds in different ways,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: and that that is actually a strength that really separates
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: men and women because it's one thing to just move
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: something on one axis with yourself braced and in the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: correct position and using all the it's another thing to
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: lift things on weird angles and with with the with
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: the floor moving. You know, that's something that women really
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: struggle with. So every woman who's aboard a naval warship
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: has to has to make peace with the fact that
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: she's navigating the environment because men are helping her, and
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: that is more like the primal situation. And I think
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: that's contributing to the high rate of pregnancy because it's
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: returning us. You know, it's returned to monkey kind of thing.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: It's returned to patriarchy, and that's I think what courtship
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: is supposed to emulate. But it becomes this kind of,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: this kind of hollow thing because it feels like service
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: when it's not necessary, if that makes sense, right, Yeah,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: it feels like you're a servant rather than a necessary
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: component of a woman being even being able to navigate
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: her environment. Like there's a difference there. One is a
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: bit more submission and the other is a bit more
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: submission on the part of a woman versus service on
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: the part of a man, even though it's both really
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: and yeah, so I just wanted to point that out,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Like I think, and again there's kind of an arduousness
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: to the naval warship lifestyle, shall we say that that
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: I think evokes the more primal situation that men and
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: women would have been in. And I think that I
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: honestly think that men are quite happy to occupy that role,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: like it's more satisfying for them. Yeah, to occupy the
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: role of protector and provider. I know that might be sacrilegious,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: but when it's acknowledged, you know, when that reality is
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: acknowledged that a woman's ability to navigate the landscape or
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: her environment is contingent on a man's strength. I think
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: there is a certain amount of satisfaction for both parties,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: if I may be so bold.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I got another. I got more Superchow's
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: or super chats or whatever. Rumble. Rant Nova Fan twenty
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: one gives a dollar and says, I'm still laughing at
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: the article's false psychotomy of reducing women's freedoms to regain
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: a stable society. Guys will enjoy aii fus to the
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: quote unquote in cells still be winning against feminists. I
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: don't think they're going to be reducing women's freedoms, at
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: least the goal is not that, because that's the thing
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: that they're the primary impetus for writing this article is
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: that they want to basically, we have to do anything
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: except women getting married, because that's oppression. So they're trying
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: to liberate with it, or even even more by basically
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: having women, let allowing them to be part of a harem,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: which they're fine with. Probably no they're not.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Well, no, they're not fine with it. That's the funny thing.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: They're trying to make them fine with it. They're trying
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: to say, well, being part of an harem is being
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: strong and independent, and these women are not happy with it, because,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: let's be I'm going to be frank, this is completely unnatural.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: If you require an entire like space age pharmacy in
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: order to not have to deal with the consequences of
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: your of your actions, and you need an entire freaking
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: advanced bureaucracy to fund your lifestyle, that ain't a natural lifestyle. Okay,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Like if you need surgical interventions periodically to make your
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: lifestyle live, that isn't natural. Nothing about the way women
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: are living right now is natural, is normal, and their
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: behavior is completely dysfunctional with success that they're not happy
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: with it either, So to stay oh yeah, they're happy
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: with this harem. This is what they're trying to do.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: They're trying to say women are it's what their hearts want.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: That's bullshit. It's not. The problem here is again the
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: underselling of men as partners, like the destruction of the
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: mate value of the average male. Right, we like take
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: away that take away a trillion dollar industry telling when
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: women like warm tongue whispering in women's ear about the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: evils of men and how awful they are and how
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: it's the worst thing ever to commit to one. Right
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: you get rid of that, maybe we'll see some different
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: behaviors from women and then also maybe put them through
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: like the metal girl girl God it's female initiation, puberty
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: or whatever to get that v one a cross activation
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: going on, and then then we'll see a different a
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: different type of woman. So I don't think they're happy
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: with it. If they were, they wouldn't be putting themselves
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: into pretzels trying to trying to hope with their reality.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Nor would they be gobbling SSRIs like nobody's business like
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: that's the thing. You need pharmacy to keep yourself from
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: getting pregnant, You need abortion if you do get pregnant,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: you need an entire advanced bureaucracy to fund your lifestyle,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: and you need ssriyes to deal with the latent misery
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: of everything you're doing to yourself. That's not an animal
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: that's happy, and not just that the rate of births
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: among single women is in free fall, so it's not
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: even like they're having children, right, So this is an
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: unhappy animal, an extremely unhappy animal. And if you judged
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: by birth rates, The happiest female animal in the West
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: is apparently a technician on a naval warship pregnant with
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: a menshipman's child. That's the happiest animal on the plant
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: in the West. Now, female animal, like that's just bizarre,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: but it is predicted, is actually predictable because you got
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: everything going. You've got a situation where the men are
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: actually that like the the situation leans towards how men
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: signal their fitness. The situation leans towards that d one
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: a cross activation in women. It leans against the meat
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: market signaling right everything. It's like they've they've recreated the
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: primordial hair bonding pressure cooker in a naval warship. I'm
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: not sure why they I'm not sure if that's what
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: they intended, but that's what they've done. And uh and
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: it works. Like literally, if we imported that into civilian life,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: we would have a baby boom bigger than the fifties.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: We would not be having a problem right now. We'd
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: be having like something like four or five children per woman.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: They all had the Navy, the America, the US or
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: the Western Navy, not just the US Navy, but just
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: generally the Navy in Western countries has solved the birthrate crisis.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: There you go, they've solved it. I don't know if
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: we're ready to adopt their solution, but they have solved it.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: But anyway, but that that is not like, this is
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: not a happy animal, right. If you need advanced pharmacy
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: pharmaceuticals to even get through the day, you're not a
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: happy animal. These women are not happy. They are not happy.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: And the other thing I wanted to point out is
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: that maybe actually if we look back how Christians do
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: and how they structured their societies in the past, this
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: actually I think gave well. I mean, there's two options here, right,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: you have more of the cousin marriage more like the
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Southeast Asian kind of style where almost everybody gets married,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: or even like the Mediterranean. Basically it's there's two different
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: like social styles going on. You have Northern Europeans and
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: everybody else, and everybody else sort of did the cousin
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: marriage thing. The lineage the arranged marriage not so important
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: that the two parties consent to it, and they had
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: near universal marriage. But within marriages the birth rate was
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: rather low. So ninety percent of people would get married,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: but they would be having far fewer children like three
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: or four, whereas in Europe less people got married overall.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: And also there was a whole bunch of institutions that
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: made single them not that painful. Right, So with Northern
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Europeans you could be uh monks, nuns, you could just
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: pursue your own thing. It wasn't as as maybe socially
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: uh suicide to just be signal single. But at the
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: same time, the people who did get married had a
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: lot of children, like they're they're pushing up six eight children,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: so that's why they have they kept the same level
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: of population growth as ease date like the other countries.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: But again it was that companion at marriage. And I
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: wonder if that whole suite. So you have a situation
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: where you have lots of fraternal organizations. Fraternal organizations, you
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: have religious orders, you have guilds, so men who don't
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: get married actually have a place in the community, right,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: so they don't they're not shunted often in Nowheersville. And
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: then you also have this more companionate, arduous courtship model,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: which means that people who go through it are very
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: very much motivated to be husband and wife. I don't
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: know how to say that politely, and and they're producing
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of children. And it's a system that works.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: But it also and again also the women who are single,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: because if you have single men, you have single women.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: They can be nuns and spinsters and contribute to the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: producer the producing of their you know, the the raising
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: of their children, their sister's children. If that is not
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: also a way of managing, do they call them undesirable men?
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't. It seems like it makes more men
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: desirable when you produce this kind of when you when
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: you focus on this kind of companionate relationship, a man
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: who commits you becomes more important. That makes sense. It
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: becomes more godly, becomes more a part of what you
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: want in your life as a woman. Does that make sense? Like, yeah,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: it sells it more right. You want a husband, you
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: want to you know, be the church and he can
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: be Christ kind of thing. Well, that sells the whole concept.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: When you're getting married, you're not just you're not just
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: two people. You're also part of a wider community. So
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: that's like you're work. You're you're working to improve the
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: lives of not just the person you're marrying, not just
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: the children. You might have not just whatever land you're
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: going to live on, but also all the people that
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: you are connected through. So I mean, that's what I
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: think all of it's really about. So yeah, and of
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: course they want to remove the family and just skip
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: ahead to the community part. But I think you need
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: you need to follow the steps, you have to like
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: go through a certain pathway so that you can have
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: functional people, because when you don't, when you have broken families,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: you have broken communities, which we can look at like
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: observably around us at parts of the country that have
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: broken families and therefore broken communities where no one talks
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: with anybody, there's high crime, there's no trust because the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: foundation was destroyed, so like you can't build anything on
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: nothing anyway.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, to just extend, because I'm going to
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: take what you said and just finish my thought. We'll go,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: We'll take this for as long as it needs, Brian,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: don't worry about that, however long it takes to get
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: through this article, because I think it's really critical because
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: they just come up with constant stream of bullshit. But
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: to take what you said and sort of include in
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: what I said. When they gave this ability like this choice, right,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: this companionate relationship, it is Christian companion relationship, which was
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: the revolution, and they gave men and women the choice.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: They didn't just like create a situation where men and
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: women who didn't pair up were abandoned. Do you see
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Yeah, right, So it was became more
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: of a communal thing, right, it's it's it is. It's
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: not something where somebody who doesn't get a marriage has
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: absolutely nothing in their life. They still do, They're still
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: expect to be for in the case of women, they're
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: expected to be taken care of by family. In the
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: case of men, they have all of the other old
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: boy what we called the old boys network, which we
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: don't have either now because feminism destroyed that. Right, So
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: you had all the like the Freemasons, the and it
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be necessarily Freemasons, but like the fraternal orders, the
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: religious orders, the uh, the guilds and everything. So there
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: was a place and that, yeah, that allowed this emphasis
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: on choice to not be toxic. And I think what
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: we've done now is we have we've we've elevated women's
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: choice to this kind of central pillar of everything. So
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: everything has to serve women's choice. Yeah, and it's there.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: So there's absolutely no place where men can land, like
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: have a safe landing if they're not chosen. Okay, so
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: and they we're making this worse and worse and worse.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: So we get rid of all of the fraternal organizations
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: that men would have had a place in because that's
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: feminists won't allow that. And then we don't even allow
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: men who aren't too chosen to even feel like they're
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: they're human, we call them in selves, right, So we're
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: just progressively shitting all over men because they haven't been
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: chosen by women. Now, that's completely different than than an
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: emphasis on a companionate marriage with attendant social structures that
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: give men who aren't chosen a place to be. Do
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying? Like you still have social
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: value right to still feel like they contribute to a
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: community anyway, it's it's it is a clusterfuck. Let's continue
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: with the article, which is also a clusterfuck.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Oh, I got more super chan I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: should read the rest of these and then we'll get
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: to it. It's just two more so a super chat
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: from Mario Trujillo, who gives us ten dollars. Thank you, Mario,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Good news.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Everyone says from childhood. Women are told on both sides
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: they are the special ones. For left, it's the strong
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: woman narrative, while right it has a self deleting chivalry mentality.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: It sucks, but that's what I've seen. No, that's true, Yeah,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And they base they both they they everybody.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. Like, it's not even that
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: the right says something different. They they also tell women
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: that they're strong because to some degree, everyone has internalized
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: the feminist narrative about women, everybody just about so it's
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: not even I'm not going to go there. But all
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: I'll say is that everyone in the modern world is
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: a little feminist, okay, and they all go along with
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: the strong woman thing, which is okay.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: Which is funny because they don't really lionize what I
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: would consider strong women. They lionize dysregulated women, right, women
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: who are villainous and evil, Like I would say that
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: it would be fine to lionize strong women. That's probably
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: why we're still there.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: They should actually be strong women, Yeah.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: They should actually be strong women.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Just every woman.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they should be held to a standard
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: of behavior. They should have an external code, right, They
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: should be strong, not just dysregulated and violent and aggressive.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Like they mistake strong for capable of harm, and that's
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: really that's not good. Like feminist mistake mistake strong for
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: capable of harm, and that's a that's fundamentally I think
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: that's a real bad place to go, right, And I
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: think we should want strong women Proverbs thirty one. That's
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: a strong woman, right, Like the women I talk about
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: Mary Kiri taking her her X ray machine to the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: front in World War One. That's a strong woman. The
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: women who were part of the of the you know,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: settling the West. There you go, right, These are women
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: who served their families and codes of honor and expectation
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: beyond themselves. That's something worthy of respect, not what feminists
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: put forward as respect. And then the other thing is
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: that the real problem with feminism is again it's condemnation
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: of men. It says that heterosexuality is the source or
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: the site of women's oppression, that men use rape and
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: beatings to uphold patriarchy. This is sourced directly from feminism.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: These are foundational pillars of feminism. And I don't care
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: if you're like a copy shop feminist who thinks that
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: feminism is just I don't know, being able to have
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: a credit card, which women have always had, or have
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: your own house, which women have also always had. Like
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: these this is what feminism says it's responsible for, and
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: it's not. And it says it's responsible for that so
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: it can sell the awful stuff that it says, the
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: awful stuff it says about men, and even that it's like, no,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: women have credit cards and houses because men built those things,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: and whenever those things became you know, viable, they were
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: offered to women. It's not because of feminism. Feminism just
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: takes credit for that and then sells you on a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: horrible story about men. Anyway, I just wanted to point
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: that out and let's let's keep.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Going, all right, and then I got let's see another
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: rumble ran from Roboto. He says, it would seem that
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: what needs to return is courtship and ritual, not more
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: church regulations. How did the courtship ritual become standard in
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: the first place. I mean, like you could say that
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: church regulations could include like courtship rituals as well as
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: other like coming of age things. I think that the
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: ancient in ancient times, people did do that. When I say,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think church regulations what we're talking about, because
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: they don't make rules per se, but they do they do,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: let's say, sanctify marriage. And this is actually something that
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Paul had talked about too, where you know, I had
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: lunch with Paul, like not long ago, and we both
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: you know, we both are married. I married Lindsay through
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: the courts because she's an immigrant, so I had to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: bring her here through the normal channels. But we were
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: talking about how you know, there you should not. You
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: don't have to get the government involved in marriage at all.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: And if a church marries you, that's not the same
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: because the church is not associated with the government. But
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: even then you don't have to do it. And Paul
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: has talked about this on his channel. So I guess like,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: when you say church regulations, it seems like you're suggesting
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: that you think the church is too involved in marriage
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: as it is. Maybe I'm wrong it just the way
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: you phrased the question. But I would argue it's the
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: state that's the problem, not the church. It's the state's
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: involvement in marriage that causes you know, all the divorces
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: and all these other things that in women's attitude towards
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: marriage as being like this kind of disposable, for frivolous thing,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: which you know, if you treat it like what it is,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: which is a sacrament, then people who get married will
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: take that marriage seriously. But marriage has to mean something,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: and no law is going to make it mean something.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: It's got to be something that the people getting involved,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: you know, feel passionately about. So all right, So yeah,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: that was the last rumble rant. Let's get into the
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Can I get in?
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: Can I just respond to how this became? I think it,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: I think honestly, and I don't know if this hypothesis
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: has ever been advanced. I think there might be something
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: to how the church changed the way people court and
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: the idea of relationships that might have had a big
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: part to why it spread. Because it it's it is,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: It is of quite a departure from what preceded it, right,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: and it's it is. It does have its benefits. Yeah,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: and maybe that's part of what sold Christianity people. And
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: that's why in a lot of places, like especially in
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Northern Europe, where the way that Christianity moved was was
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: different or interesting, But that might have been a big
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: part of why that was why that so like why
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Christianity was sold in these community and communities, as it
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: just provided a better model for human courtship, something that
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: people responded to better. But anyway, we can continue, Okay.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: So back to the article. Uh, let's see whether women
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: consciously desired it or not. Short term mating strategies gained
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: greater influence after the Third Sexual Revolution created an environment
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: in which women became far less dependent on male provisioning,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: thereby elevating their returns to men's genetic genetic quality into
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: indicators over long term resource potential men's make preference.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: So you see, you keep themselves over and over again.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they do. You see how they just say, well,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: we had the Third Sexual Revolution and here's what happened. Again,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: no one is saying, was that actually a good idea?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Should we have had that happen? I don't know what
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: they even mean by this Third Sexual Revolution. They just
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: act like and they treat it like it was just
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: this event that changed humanity in a way that can
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: never be undone. So we're just gonna go with that.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: So after that happened, you know, here's here we are.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: That's you know, it's I don't know, it's just dismissive
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: without stopping to think, well, what exactly do you mean
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: by what happened during or after the Third Sexual Revolution?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: How did it create this environment? Is that a good thing?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Is it a good thing? Because
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: it's here? It created an environment in which women became
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: far less dependent on male provisioning, provisioning thereby elevating their
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: attraction to men's genetic quality indicators over long term resource
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: potential genetic quality indicators. What do you mean this is
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: like just entertaining their their their infatuations, their lust, right.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also again this assumes that these factors, Like
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: here's the thing, if these factors were so important for
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: human reproductions, they would be more common. Okay, yeah, Like
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: and and the idea that we have privileged the type
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: of man and we refer to him as genetically fit
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous. Like if you're going to say that a
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: parasite is genetically that's not it's not like what we
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: term alpha or what women are revolving around. They're not
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: genetically fit. Like literally, these men have problems genetic problems
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: that lead them to not have the full complement of
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: male hormones. Like the sociopaths that women are attracted to.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: They're attractive because they don't have vas oppressing so they
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: have full access, Like they don't have the custodial monitoring
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: that vasappressant creates, so they have full access to women's
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: suite of verbal fluency. Like these men are half women,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: and we're saying, oh, these are the alpha men. They're not,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: and this is why, like I'm not kidding, like they
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: have a deficiency when it comes to their they're male
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: bonding hormones. Right, they're deficient. Right, They're not fully male.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: They haven't kicked, Like they're just some kind of weird
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: intersex kind of thing. And we're looking at these intersects
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: individuals and we're saying these are the alphas because women
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: are attracted to them because they're capable of generating a
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: super stimulus, which is probably why they persist generation after generation.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: And in fact, it's probably not the males or the
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: faux male, like the kind of because I don't really
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: want to call a male because they don't have the
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: full suite of what a man is. So they're more
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: like I don't want to say trans but they're like
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: an intersex almost and they are able to emulate certain
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: ways that men do that gains them more sexual access.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: But it may not be the uh, the ones with
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: the external genitals that are the ones that are breeding.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: It's the ones with the internal genitals and that particular
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: mental configuration. The females, the female sociopaths. The male sociopaths
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: don't really produce much of anything because they're freaking sociopaths.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: They don't produce things. They only consume. Right, and again,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: like the reason why I say they're deficient is because
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: if you give them vast suppression, suddenly the appropriate male
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: bonding starts to kick in. So that kind of not
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: necessarily empathy, but that ability to recognize individuality, to recognize
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: the subjectivity of other people that starts to kick in.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: They start to act like men as opposed to whatever,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: this this kind of non man thing that they are,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: and we're like, we're at our society is like, oh, yes,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: this intersex condition, these are the outbuts. I'm like, what what.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Hello?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: It's like we're all like freaking worshiping the unix as
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: the alpha males like, how did we get here? This
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: is we took a very very sudden left turn somewhere here.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: We're no longer in Albuquerque, somewhere else. And and it's
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: just because again, these guys can create can create a superstimulus.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: And the reason why they can create a superstimulus is
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: because they lack male parts, and that means they can
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: look more like women. But there, you know, Okay, there's
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: these types of fish, right, There's a type of fish.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Karen used to use this example, and there is a
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: male version of that fish that can look like a
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: woman or female version. That's what these so called natural
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: alphas are. They look like women because they lack parts
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: of being a man, so they can emulate female behaviors,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: which to women becomes a sexual superstimulus. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: that's not we don't. We are a society that has
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: called the sneaky fuckers that emulate female traits, we have
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: elevated them to alpha hood. I reject that on its face.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: I think this is incorrect. There is no way some
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: a guy who at half of his brain is female
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: is an alpha male. No way. Yeah, sure he can
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: fuck a bunch of women because he's a sneaky fucker,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: and he emulates female behavior and that women get sucked
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: in by that. There is no way I'm going to concede.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: That is the top of the freaking hierarchy for men.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: The most reproductively fit man. That guy is not the
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: most reproductively fit. If he was, he would be the majority.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: The most reproductively fit men are ones with functional vasuppressant
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: who are capable of forming coalitional bonds with other men,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: who are capable of pair bonding with a woman, who
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: are capable of raising their children. Those are the functional men.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: Those are the top men. And because we are in
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: a completely artificial situation where women no longer have to
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: consider the long term effects of their sexual choices, they're
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: now going after the steminied sneaky buggers and lifting them
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: up as the prize men. Does he fuck? Good? Right? Okay,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: good lord? But again, that's not even female choice. That's
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: female choice in an advanced bureaucracy that can underwrite her
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: decisions about her life by scalping from the male from
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: men right, scalping taxes from men, and advanced medical system
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: that can prevent her from living out the consequences of
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: her sexual choices, and not just pregnancy, but also STDs
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: and A. Again, going back to the pharmac the advanced
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: pharmac pharma pharmacutical pharmaceutical industry can also medicate the misery
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: that going against her nature is and inculcating in her.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: So it's like you're taking the most extreme, unnatural version
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: of female life cycle and saying their decisions about what
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: men should be are good. No, no, they're not even
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: choosing men. Yeah, I want where if these guys smell different,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: that's why they're so repulsive to me. Oh anyway, all.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Right, Uh, getting a little little short on time here.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: We got a look ten minutes, but I'll read some more.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Men's mate preferences shifted somewhat as well, but there is
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: scant evidence that male mating psychology underwent a comparably consequential
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: transformation in response to these environmental changes. Their main challenge
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: has always been to gain access to female sexuality, which
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: continues to pose essentially the same formidable barrier for most
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: men today as it did throughout hominin history. Huh, what
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: changed men haven't changed is what you're saying. Men have
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: not changed. Women shift from long to short term tactics
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: noted Penke at all are much more dependent on ecological
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: factors than what is the case for men, as only
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: the highest value men can expect to succeed with short
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: term strategies. The environmental cues are those that indicate the
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: current relative importance of biparental care compared to good genes
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: for reproductive success. How women use and process such environmental
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: cues in order to reach adaptive mating tactic decisions is
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: largely unknown, and as such remains an interesting area for
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: future research. Interesting area. Okay, all right, let me finish
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: this as a hypothesis. I think this last paragraph will
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: do it. Thus, we hypothesize that our eras increasing singletom
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: primarily stems from women's greater emphasis on short term mate
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: preferences due to novel environmental factors that disfavor biparental care
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: for reproductive success. So they're just saying, the environmental factors
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: have done this, and women are wise to it, and
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: they're catching onto it, and men they haven't caught up
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: with this reality yet, so they're using environments to make
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: the argument. Okay, so this is related to the thing
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: that Randon Doors put out there. But anyway, having well
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: paying jobs, as well as generous welfare puts families or
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: puts females not families, heaven forbid, puts females in a
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: position evocative of what they had in our great ape
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: ancestors' promiscuous mating regimes. They can take care of children
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: without the father's help.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, but here's the thing. The only reason why they
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: have this situation is because men engage in biparental care.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: We don't have an advanced society without that, right, we
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: just don't. Because men are not going to ete. Chimps
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: don't do this stuff. They don't. They don't actually form
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: coalitional bonds like human males do, right, Like human chimps
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: are not going to do something like storm a machine
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: gun nest to save they're fellow soldiers, are you kidding me?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: And chimps are not going to tolerate a fellow chimp.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: A male chimp is not going to tolerate a male
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: chimp that's injured, right, They're not going to take care
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: of him, right that you are. It's an end. Chimps
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: constantly have dominance contests. Male chimps constant dominance contests. Human
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: men are characterized by having very stable hierarchies based on competence,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: and also a lot of altruistic behavior in their coalitional
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: bonds that isn't seen anywhere else, not based on kin
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: selection either, because you can you can put you can
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: smash together a whole bunch of men from all kinds
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: of different places, and you put give them a shared
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: threat or a shared goal, and they will work together.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: That is unheard of in the animal kingdom. That needs
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: an explanation. And one of the explanations is paternal instinct. Okay,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: like that is that is a foundational part of it.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: So we have paternal instinct is the oldest instinct for
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: custodial care, older than maternal instinct. And then on top
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: of that you have pair bonding, which is enough for men,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: is another custodial instinct. It's a combination of custodial and
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: sexual drive. And then you have coalition bonding on top
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: of that, which is sort of like a pair bond,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: but you know, not with the reproductive component and it's distributed.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: So men form these coalitional bonds that are very powerful,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: very reciprocal, and involve a lot of altruism, and that
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: needs an explanation, right, And you can't get there without
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: pair bonding, and you can't get to pair bonding without
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: paternal investment. Right, So it's all stacked. It's it is
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: a stacked skill tree, and men have it all. So
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: this is absolutely and the end. The only reason we
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: have a bureaucracy extracting from women to give to men
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: is because of the coalition. And this is like, so
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: you're like, you're you're saying, all right, so we are
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: going to have a situation where women in perpetuity are
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: able to act like chimps and men continue to act
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: like human beings. No, that's not sustainable. That's not gonna
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: last long because eventually men are going to figure out
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: that they don't get anything from it. All they do
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: get is a bunch of women who fling shit. That's
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: their only that's literally their only skill set. It's flinging
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: their feces at people who the hell wants to sacrifice
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: for that, who the hell wants to build for that
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: wants to pay taxes for thatop fleeing apes? Ye okay, continue,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: Most, that's all right. Most women may not consciously want
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: to solo parent, but it could still increase their fitness.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: This hypothesized mating equilibrium shift away from pair bonding could
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: partly account for observed dating app patterns, as it would
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: motivate women to allocate more of their mating effort towards
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: the most desirable women or the most desirable men. So,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: oh man, here's the table. It looks like a lot
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: A line of modern pressures may influence women to well not.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: Leave the table, leave the table alone. Let's not even
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: touch that. That will be oh good lord, Like this
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: is like the leftist meme. Left can't mean No, it
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: is the left can't create tables. Guys.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: Look, it takes me, It takes a lot. It takes
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: a long time to say anything in old wokesh. So
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: you don't say anything unless it's worth taking a long
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: time to say. So it takes a long time to
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: cast a spell, is what I'm saying, and then requires
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of words. And that's what they're Yeah, like,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: What this is. Let me let me, let me, let
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: me bring it down to brass tacks. They want men
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: to continue to act like an advanced species while women
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: go backwards on the evolutionary ladder. No, that's not how
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: it works right now, No, you don't get to just
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: start to sending. I don't even know if it can
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: be considered going backwards, because female chimps still have offspring,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know where. It's just this, so
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: women get to speed run backwards into an atavistic lifestyle
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: entirely structured around their worst impulses, their most self destructive impulses.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: They're not even gonna be happy, so everybody has to
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: arrange themselves around this new lionized form of women's misery.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: Can you still hear me?
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like we've deified this form of women's misery.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: So nobody's happy. Men aren't happy, women aren't happy. But
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: we're just all in this project of destroying the human species,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: just destroying the birth rate, just destroying pair bonding in
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: the birth rate. We're just all part of it. Everybody's miserable,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: nobody's happy, and we're all just not gonna have children, right,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: And it is in order to lionize this particular form
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: of women's misery. You know, maybe we could go back
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: to since everybody says women were miserable when they were
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: wives and mothers, like a hundred years ago, even though
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: they weren't. Why don't we lionize that form of misery?
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: At least it was functional? Why do we have to
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: lionize this form of misery? Like, why why do we
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: have to range our society along the lines of the
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: looney Ben? Like you you see what I'm saying. If
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: misery is a constant, maybe it could be a functional misery,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: like because this is I think these these these people
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: are like, oh, we're we're advocating for women's choice to
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: be miserable, to be the most miserable they've ever been
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: and throughout human history, right that that's their choice. Maybe
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't have a choice. Maybe Ben should be like,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be happy. Uh, you're gonna listen to me,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna be happy, and then the women will
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: be like, you know what, maybe I will Maybe that
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: will make me happier Jesus, because right now it's it.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I don't think sacrificing
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: all of society so the women could be more miserable
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: than they've ever been in all of human history history,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's not a good bargain. I don't
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: know about you.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Brian, No, I don't I feel like, you're right, I
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: feel like that's not really the great a great deal.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: Let's let's sacrifice human the human potential in our future
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: on this planet for what well, to make women more,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: to allow women to be more miserable than they've ever been.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: That's okay, that's our that's our new project. Everybody isn't
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: it isn't it just racing and inspiring? Okay? Oh man,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: this this entire article is incoherent. Yeah, and again, like,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: maybe we could just start by getting rid of the
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: trillion dollar industry that undercuts men's values, partners, Let's just
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: start there. Maybe that might help little steps, oh man.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: Or we could just throw more gasoline on the fire.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: See if that helps. Okay, unless you have something you
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: want to stay, I'll do.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's well, you pick it up, as do
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: the rest of these. We'll do the rest of this.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's yeah.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just chip through it. If you guys have
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: any like, if you want to add to this, you
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: want to tell me that you actually are stoked about
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: the project to end human civilization in order to make
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: women as miserable as fucking possible, Like just just like
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: where this is our goal in life. All of us.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: We are we are arranged to construct the most miserable
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: group of women in all of human history, and we
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: are going to sacrifice everything to do it. If you
• 2:00:09
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• 2:00:13
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