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Dr. Deborah Rozman – HeartMath · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the new Voice, vox Novus, the new dimension,
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Speaker 1: vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: vox Novus, the New Voice. War, political unrest, the rise
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Speaker 1: of AI technology, job insecurity, the rising cost of living,
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Speaker 1: and information overload are taking a toll on our mental
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Speaker 1: and emotional health. Things are changing so fat that humans
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Speaker 1: internal processing systems cannot keep up, leaving people coping with
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Speaker 1: the damaging effects of chronic stress. My guest this week
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Speaker 1: on box Novus, doctor Deverah Rosmond, says the answer may
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Speaker 1: be found with Heartmath. Doctor Rosman is a behavioral psychologist,
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Speaker 1: business leader, and president and co CEO of heart Math, Incorporated,
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Speaker 1: a global organization pioneering heart brain coherence and emotional self regulation.
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Speaker 1: For more than three decades, she has helped guide the
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Speaker 1: development of Heartmath's research based tools and technologies, including heart
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Speaker 1: rate variability, biofeedback systems used in healthcare, corporate leadership, education,
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Speaker 1: the military, and professional sports environments. The website is heartmath
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Speaker 1: dot com, and she joins me this week to share
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Speaker 1: their amazing work in stress reduction. Please join me and
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Speaker 1: welcoming to Vox Novis doctor Deborah Rosmand. Welcome, Deborah.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so.
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Speaker 3: Much, Victor. I'm so happy to be here with you
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Speaker 3: in your audience.
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Speaker 1: Deborah, please share with our listeners your path and how
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Speaker 1: it led to your calling in behavioral psychology.
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, that's a long story. Let's see. Well,
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Speaker 3: when I was four years old, sitting on the back
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Speaker 3: porch of my home in Minneapolis, Minnesota, looking up at
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Speaker 3: the blue sky and the green tree leaves, I actually
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Speaker 3: said why am I here?
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Speaker 2: What am I here for?
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Speaker 3: And my own voice inside my own head and heart
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Speaker 3: said you're here to serve. I was like, okay, what
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Speaker 3: does that mean to a four year old? And I'll
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Speaker 3: tell you what. Every teacher I had after that kindergarten, Oh,
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Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be a kindergarten teacher. First grade, Oh,
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Speaker 3: I'll be a first grade teacher. And it went all
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Speaker 3: the way up until I got to junior high and
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Speaker 3: psychology became my interest because I had seven teachers known
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Speaker 3: I could really bond with in junior high. But what
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Speaker 3: makes me tick? And that's what started my journey into psychology.
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Speaker 3: I went to the University of Chicago to study attitude
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Speaker 3: change theory and it was rats and statistics. So I
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Speaker 3: moved out to California. You see, Santa Cruz was just starting,
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Speaker 3: and so was all the spiritual awakenings happening in California
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Speaker 3: in the early seventies, and ESLN was just starting. And
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Speaker 3: I had some deep experiences spiritual awakenings with a two
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Speaker 3: year old and a four year old, and I thought,
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Speaker 3: oh my goodness, I wish I'd learned how to meditate
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Speaker 3: when I was young, And so I ended up writing
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Speaker 3: my master's in doctoral thesis on child psychology and meditating
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Speaker 3: with children and behavior change. And long story short, I
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Speaker 3: began working with a number of gestalt psychologists and teaching
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Speaker 3: people to be their heads sitting on a pillow and
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Speaker 3: their heart sitting on another pillow and talking to each other,
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Speaker 3: and behavioral psychology evolved into spiritual psychologies. I realized the
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Speaker 3: heart really has wisdom and intelligence. And then when Doc Children,
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Speaker 3: the founder of heart Math, invited me to help start
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Speaker 3: the heart Math Research Lab to research how the heart, brain,
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Speaker 3: body spirit talked with each other, I jumped at it.
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Speaker 3: So I've been with heart Math ever.
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Speaker 1: Since, wonderful, just out of curiosity that experience you had
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Speaker 1: as a child, that voice that was giving you guidance.
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Speaker 1: Where do you think that voice came from.
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Speaker 3: My higher self or whatever you want to call your
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Speaker 3: larger self, from your heart's intuitive guidance. You know as
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Speaker 3: a child it's your own sound, of your own but
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Speaker 3: you knew it was something coming from something bigger. It
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Speaker 3: wasn't just mental or conceptualius. I had no idea what
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Speaker 3: service meant.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely now, prior to heart math, how did psychology and
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Speaker 1: medicine address stress and what were the treatment shortcomings?
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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great question, since so many of us
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Speaker 3: are stressed these days. At that time, positives is before
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Speaker 3: positive psychology. This was in the mid eighties when we
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Speaker 3: were pondering how to start this research. We were all
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Speaker 3: longtime meditators by that time and knew that the hearts
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Speaker 3: had something to do with releasing stress and finding happiness
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Speaker 3: and fulfillment. And we decided to research the stress response
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Speaker 3: and to see where in the human body we could
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Speaker 3: find the correlets to stress relief and how we could
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Speaker 3: practice that. Meditation did something, and we long story short again,
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Speaker 3: we saw that in the heart rhythm pattern measured by
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Speaker 3: heart rate variability. People could see when they were stress
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Speaker 3: is a feeling, when you felt angry, frustrated, impatient, stressful
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Speaker 3: emotions and tension, and when you felt love or care, compassion, kindness,
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Speaker 3: the whole different patterns showed up in the heart rate variability.
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Speaker 3: So we published that in the American Journal Cardiology. We
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Speaker 3: actually started the first heart rate variability bile feedback. We
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Speaker 3: launched the whole heart rate variability market in the late
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Speaker 3: nineteen nineties and that's the best metric for seeing when
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Speaker 3: your bodies and stress and actually have the biofeedback to
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Speaker 3: train you in heartmouth techniques to get into the coherent waveform,
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Speaker 3: which is the waveform of calm, appreciation, elevated positive emotion.
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Speaker 1: So what was the future development of heartmuth How did
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Speaker 1: that take place?
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Speaker 3: Well, Victor, our founder doctor Children had a vision in
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Speaker 3: the seventies have the heart and the intelligence of the
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Speaker 3: heart being the next level of human evolution. And it's
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Speaker 3: been talked about the wisdom of the heart since time
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Speaker 3: immemorial in ancient religions, cultures, indigenous cultures, but everybody thought
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Speaker 3: that was sort of metaphorical, and what we wanted to
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Speaker 3: do with Heartmuth was bring together psychiatrists, physicists, researchers to
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Speaker 3: start the heartmouth Research Lab to see there was something
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Speaker 3: physiological about the heart's wisdom. And that's where we discovered
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Speaker 3: the heart rate variability reflecting our emotional state. And of
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Speaker 3: course we measured zen practitioners, Buddhist meditators, monks, and when
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Speaker 3: they got into their higher states, their open hearted states,
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Speaker 3: they had a very coherent sine wave pattern in their
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Speaker 3: heart rate variability. That sine wave is a coherent waveform
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Speaker 3: in physics, so we call that heart coherence. And we
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Speaker 3: found that the heart actually sends more information through affroent
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Speaker 3: nerves to the brain then the brain sends to the heart.
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Speaker 3: And yet we have all been taught the brain controls
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Speaker 3: the heart, but it's not true. It's two ways. So
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Speaker 3: heartmath Research really spent the last thirty five years researching
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Speaker 3: the communication between our heart, brain and body, our nervous
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Speaker 3: system because stress is when your nervous systems just regulated,
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Speaker 3: and then developing tools techniques to help people reseet regulate
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Speaker 3: the nervous system and activate a clear channel between their
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Speaker 3: heart and brain, which brings in intuitive insight. Executive clarity,
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Speaker 3: mental clarity, which is so needed, and that was Doc's
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Speaker 3: vision all along, that activating this heart's intelligence, this heart's
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Speaker 3: nervous system, because it has its own intrinsic nervous system,
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Speaker 3: would really activate some of the higher qualities of the
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Speaker 3: brain and of human human beings. And so that's how
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Speaker 3: it started, and we've been on that focus ever since.
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Speaker 1: Why the name the heart meath? Where did that come from?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 3: Well, the heart again has been seen be the poetic, metaphorical,
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Speaker 3: energetic heart, and then the physical heart's been seen as
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Speaker 3: a pump. This whole heart brain dynamic, and how we
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Speaker 3: can activate it, how we can activate heart coherence is
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Speaker 3: a step by step process. So bringing heart plus the
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Speaker 3: math of the psychological math, the physiological math together helps
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Speaker 3: elevate the heart into what it truly is, an intelligence system,
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Speaker 3: an access point to our intuition to something larger. The
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Speaker 3: science and spirituality merge in the heart, and so the
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Speaker 3: heart math takes it out of just the poetry or
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Speaker 3: the philosophy.
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Speaker 1: I will share with you something that I wrote a
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Speaker 1: couple of years back when I first learned about the
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Speaker 1: connection between the brain and the heart, and I've been
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Speaker 1: writing poetry since I was a child, and a poem
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Speaker 1: for children came through me that I entitled the Brain
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Speaker 1: inside the Heart. We all know the brain inside our
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Speaker 1: head that's supposed to make us smart, but very few
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Speaker 1: know or have even read about the brain inside our heart.
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Speaker 1: The brain of the heart is very small, but it's
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Speaker 1: much smarter than the other. It's the most sensitive brain
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Speaker 1: of all. When we connect with one another, the brain
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Speaker 1: and the heart can feel things in its own very
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Speaker 1: special way. It always knows when truth rings or when
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Speaker 1: we have gone astray. If we learn to listen when
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Speaker 1: it speaks, we can make our lives the best and
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Speaker 1: navigate its valleys and peaks with love and joy and zest.
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Speaker 1: So always listen to your heart and everything that it
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Speaker 1: tells you. You'll know what to do right from the start,
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Speaker 1: and its wisdom will always bless you.
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Speaker 3: That's beautiful, that's heart math. Could you send me that
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Speaker 3: poem and would I be able to share it with others?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely would be my pleasure.
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Speaker 4: That would be great.
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Speaker 3: Did you know at that time that you wrote it
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Speaker 3: that there's an actual little brain in the heart with
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Speaker 3: forty thousand neurons that are sensory neurons that sense feel,
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Speaker 3: learn and remember, and it operates independently from the brain
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Speaker 3: in the head.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I had learned and that's what inspired
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Speaker 1: the poem.
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Speaker 3: Ah, I love it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, You're very welcome. Thank you. So after thirty
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Speaker 1: five years of research, what do we now understand about
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Speaker 1: stress that most people still misunderstand?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that stress emde is an emotion. It's you feel it.
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Speaker 3: I mean people talk about mental stress and you can
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Speaker 3: feel your mind strained, your brain fog. But it really
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Speaker 3: starts off as how we're feeling and perceiving in our
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Speaker 3: attitudes that we experience as stressful. And so we understand
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Speaker 3: how that stressful feelings or fight flight fright reactions. The
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Speaker 3: brain responds by shutting down its higher cortical functions so
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Speaker 3: we can run, freeze, flee, or just actually move into
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Speaker 3: protective mechanisms like we were being threatened by something very major,
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Speaker 3: like I used to be like a sabertoothed tiger or something.
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Speaker 3: But nowadays that stress response is happening over and over
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Speaker 3: and over, and it accumulates. That's what we know different
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Speaker 3: victors that stress accumulates in too much cortisol, an immune
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Speaker 3: system imbalances, hormonal imbalances, nervous system imbalances, which affects how
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Speaker 3: we proceed because we can't get into our higher consciousness
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Speaker 3: or higher cortical executive functions the frontal lobes. When we're
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Speaker 3: under stress, we're going more into survival mode. And that's
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Speaker 3: what we see in society today. That feeds back on
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Speaker 3: the heart, creates disease, creates loneliness, creates depression, anxiety disorders.
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Speaker 3: All the mental health issues we're seeing most of a
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Speaker 3: result of accumulated stress that's not being released. And now
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Speaker 3: what we know is that it's through the heart and
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Speaker 3: this little heart brain activating that and moving into the heart.
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Speaker 3: Great variability heart rhythm coherence that sends a different signal
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Speaker 3: of the brain and the amygdala and the thelmis and
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Speaker 3: the brain that helps us release stress as we go.
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Speaker 3: So the heart of tools and technology are all designed
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Speaker 3: as helpers to release accumulated stress so we're not building
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Speaker 3: it up and it's feeding back on our bodies. It
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Speaker 3: helps us reregulate, reset our whole internal operating system. That's
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Speaker 3: one of the things that nature design the heart to do.
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Speaker 3: You know, when we're feeling love or feeling appreciation, we're
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Speaker 3: feeling those heart qualities and values that are meaningful to us.
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Speaker 3: It releases the stress. That's why we go take a
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Speaker 3: walk in nature when we're stressed, or we go by
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Speaker 3: the ocean, we go to church wherever we can fill uplifted.
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Speaker 3: It releases those frequencies of stress and allows the heart
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Speaker 3: to open and reopen and get into that coherent rhythm.
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Speaker 1: Would you describe today's environment as a stress epidemic?
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Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness, yes, it's obvious. Victors. We hear about
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Speaker 3: the next war and the tariffs and the challenges and
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Speaker 3: all that's going on, the polarization, the social media influences.
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Speaker 3: Just watch the news. It's a stress report, the global
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Speaker 3: stress report. And this is all part of a shifting world,
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Speaker 3: shifting humanity, the acceleration of information.
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Speaker 2: And now AI.
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Speaker 3: The human emotional system can't keep up with all this,
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Speaker 3: so it tends to revert to what its biases are,
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Speaker 3: if you would, which would be how we've been brought up.
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Speaker 3: Everybody has background that has led them to stress. Many
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Speaker 3: people trauma, and that colors how we perceive life. But yes,
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Speaker 3: it's an epidemic of stress going on, and how we
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Speaker 3: handle it is the key. How we each individually manage
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Speaker 3: that stress. People in psychology used to say, let's cope
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Speaker 3: with stress. Nobody wants to cope. They want to release
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Speaker 3: the stress or accumulates in your system and ends up
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Speaker 3: as disease. As we talked about, is dysregulation which limits
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Speaker 3: our perception and colors our attitudes, and that creates more
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Speaker 3: backwash and more stress reactions. We want to break that cycle,
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Speaker 3: and that's what art math is here for.
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Speaker 1: What happens physiologically in the body when someone experiences chronic stress.
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Speaker 3: What happens in the body is the nervous system. How
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Speaker 3: the parasympathetic and sympathetic systems, the autonomic nervous system interact
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Speaker 3: become what's called dysregulated, out of balance at a whack
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Speaker 3: that sends different signals to the brain and body. For example,
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Speaker 3: five minutes of anger depletes the immune system for up
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Speaker 3: to six hours. That's what the research shows. Yet we
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Speaker 3: somehow think that outrage and anger inventing or repressing is
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Speaker 3: how we should respond to stressful situations. Too many people
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Speaker 3: think that way. But it affects our immune system, It
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Speaker 3: imbalances our hormonal system, It disrupts our sleep. So many
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Speaker 3: people have sleep issues these days. It creates brain fog
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Speaker 3: because the autonomic nervous system controls ninety percent of the
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Speaker 3: body's involuntary functions, from digestion to elimination, to sleep, to
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Speaker 3: immune response, to hormonal response, the whole package. So that's
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Speaker 3: what's going on if we accumulate stress and don't release
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Speaker 3: it as we move through life.
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Speaker 1: That's fascinating to me that if somebody has five minutes
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Speaker 1: of anger and then is exposed to some type of
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Speaker 1: a virus, that their immune system is down and potentially
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Speaker 1: they could.
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Speaker 5: Get sick very much.
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Speaker 3: I mean, when you get upset, think about your own life,
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Speaker 3: and certainly is true for how my life has been.
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Speaker 3: If I get upset and angry and I'm rehashing it
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Speaker 3: because usually it's not just five minutes. It stays with
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Speaker 3: you and how dare they and what happened? And if
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Speaker 3: that's processing and it's affecting your immune system, for me,
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Speaker 3: I would probably get a cold within a few days.
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Speaker 3: You become have you had that experience, I have, not, No,
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Speaker 3: And you become more susceptible to whatever, as well as
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Speaker 3: more susceptible to other people's upsets. You're on edge, and
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Speaker 3: five minutes, on the other hand, of shifting to your heart,
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Speaker 3: just breathing through your heart area, one of the basic
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Speaker 3: heart meth techniques that we have researched, and feeling five
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Speaker 3: minutes of care, genuine care for yourself or others, your pet,
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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter that care for something actually enhances the
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Speaker 3: immune system for six hours.
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Speaker 1: And what about gratitude expressing gratitude.
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Speaker 3: The same thing, gratitude, deep, genuine, sincere care, compassion, kindness.
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Speaker 3: Those feelings enhance the immune system. They also harmonize the
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Speaker 3: heart and brain. They also balance the autonomic nervous systems,
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Speaker 3: so you begin to come back into hormonal balance. These
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Speaker 3: are not just goody two shoes as people sometimes say,
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Speaker 3: or Pollyanna qualities or church their qualities are spirit in
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Speaker 3: every major religion, but they actually physiologically bring our system
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Speaker 3: back into balance and presence and awaken our hearts intuitive guidance,
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Speaker 3: so we gain more connection with nature, our larger self,
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Speaker 3: our soul, whatever you want to call that. Bigger energy
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Speaker 3: comes into balance as we are actually practicing love, care, kindness, compassion.
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Speaker 3: They activate the higher intelligence in the brain.
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Speaker 1: And there's ancient wisdom behind that because as I've learned
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Speaker 1: in the interfaith seminary that I attended in the nineteen nineties.
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Speaker 1: There's an iteration of the Golden rule in virtually every
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Speaker 1: faith around the world. Doing to others as you'd have
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Speaker 1: them doing to you, Love thy neighbor as thyself. If
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Speaker 1: we all did that and nothing else, what a world
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Speaker 1: this would be.
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Speaker 3: I totally agree, And that's what I'm committed to. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's what I had that vision. Doc children had the vision.
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Speaker 3: I went a different one when I was in my twenties,
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Speaker 3: and I've just been committed to that ever since. I'm
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Speaker 3: a baby boomer who never gave up.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 3: It's like, we have to create the world as we
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Speaker 3: want it, but then we have to align ourselves internally.
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Speaker 3: We have to balance our emotions and our stress. So
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Speaker 3: many people feel that somehow stress is inevitable. That means
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Speaker 3: dysregulation is inevitable, and that means that our cortical inhibition
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Speaker 3: and brain fog are inevitable.
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Speaker 5: But they're not.
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Speaker 3: We're designed to reset, to reboot, and the heart is
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Speaker 3: the key activator of that. That's the heart's wisdom in
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Speaker 3: every religion. That's the do unto others as you would
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Speaker 3: have them do unto you. That's the essence of care
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Speaker 3: and connection. So heart Meuth now is the Heartmouth Institute
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Speaker 3: is doing interconnectivity research, not just our internal coherence between heart,
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Speaker 3: brain and body, but our social coherence. How do we
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Speaker 3: connect with each other? How our earth, our human being
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Speaker 3: is going to learn to get along? What's the physiology
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Speaker 3: because we have to learn to get along if there's
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Speaker 3: a future.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, my guest doctor Deborah Rosmand, She's the president and
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Speaker 1: co CEO of Heartmath Incorporated. Deborah, please share with our
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Speaker 3: Yes, please go to heartmath dot com on your website
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Speaker 3: and you can learn all about the heartmath heart rate
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Speaker 3: and plenty of other free downloads to learn more are
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Speaker 3: available to you at www dot heartmath dot com.
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Speaker 1: Back on Box Novius. My guest this week is doctor
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Speaker 1: Deborah Rosman. We're talking about heart meth. What is heart
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Speaker 1: rate variability and how does this help us measure and
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Speaker 1: understand stress more accurately?
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Speaker 3: Great question. Heart Rate variability is a measure of the
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Speaker 3: beat to beat changes in your heart rate. I mean,
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Speaker 3: everybody knows heart rate. There's all sorts of heart rate monitors,
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Speaker 3: and you go to the doctor's office they say your
25:56
Speaker 3: heart rate is sixty five beats per minuted or whatever.
26:00
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing. That heart rate is changing
26:03
Speaker 3: every beat to beat to beat. It can be forty beats,
26:06
Speaker 3: eighty beats, fifty beats, sixty beats, and the sixty five
26:11
Speaker 3: beats per minute is the average. So all the heart
26:14
Speaker 3: rate monitors are gathering beat to beat information and giving
26:19
Speaker 3: you an average. Chinese medicine doctors they'll feel your pulse
26:24
Speaker 3: and they'll feel the beat to beat to beat changes
26:27
Speaker 3: and heart rate. So heart rate variability is taking each
26:33
Speaker 3: beat and plotting it the heart rate beat to beat,
26:37
Speaker 3: and that creates a pattern. It also shows how much
26:42
Speaker 3: heart rate shifts you have, like from forty beats to
26:46
Speaker 3: minute to sixty beats per minute is a big shift
26:50
Speaker 3: between beats, but that's a sign of health. Heart Rate
26:55
Speaker 3: variability reflects your emotional state and your physiology flexibility. You
27:02
Speaker 3: want to have a lot of that heart rate variability
27:07
Speaker 3: so that if you need to jump up and run,
27:10
Speaker 3: you can do it easily or come down and relax.
27:14
Speaker 3: When we're born, and babies have the highest heart rate
27:17
Speaker 3: variability and most of that emotional flexibilities. You know, they
27:22
Speaker 3: have no emotional management, but they have that effect well.
27:26
Speaker 3: As we get older, there's a natural age related decline
27:32
Speaker 3: in heart rate variability. What heart math has specialized in, though,
27:36
Speaker 3: is looking at the beat to beat changes as a pattern.
27:41
Speaker 3: So our breakthrough research, which was published in the American
27:45
Speaker 3: Journal of Cardiology in nineteen ninety five, showed that when
27:49
Speaker 3: we're feeling stress, tension, anger, frustration, in patience, depression, anxiety especially,
28:00
Speaker 3: we imbalance that autonomic nervous system and we're all going
28:06
Speaker 3: to have those feelings not bad, but it's what we
28:09
Speaker 3: do with them and how long we stay in them
28:12
Speaker 3: that is the problem. So when we have a stress trigger,
28:17
Speaker 3: our heart reveriability pattern gets really chaotic, disordered. Like the
28:22
Speaker 3: autonomic nervous system is fighting each other. One foot on
28:26
Speaker 3: the break, one foot on the accelerator is what you
28:29
Speaker 3: run the car and you run out of gas doing that.
28:33
Speaker 3: That's what happens. We feel our energy depleted when we're
28:36
Speaker 3: in stress. Now, that heart reveriability pattern we can see
28:41
Speaker 3: on for example, heart mass interbalance coherence technology. You can
28:46
Speaker 3: watch it and when you do a technique like shift
28:50
Speaker 3: to your heart, breathe through your heart breathe the attitude
28:55
Speaker 3: of calm or ease or gratitude, find something to really
28:59
Speaker 3: feel different and about in the moment, it actually releases
29:03
Speaker 3: that stress because you're bringing that heart rate variability pattern
29:09
Speaker 3: into a smooth rolling heels no longer jagged, but a
29:14
Speaker 3: smooth flow. And that is the flow state, which is
29:20
Speaker 3: very healthy for your system. It renews your flexibility, it
29:26
Speaker 3: gives you bigger picture thinking, and that's called heart coherence
29:32
Speaker 3: or heart rate variability coherence. And it's such the most
29:36
Speaker 3: powerful metric we've found because you can look at an EKG,
29:41
Speaker 3: you can look at the galvanic spin response, you can
29:45
Speaker 3: look at electro encephalogram EEG, all the different biometrics, but
29:51
Speaker 3: you don't see the emotional status clearly as in the
29:56
Speaker 3: heart rate variability and seeing it then give you the
30:00
Speaker 3: ability to go, wow, I can change it. I have
30:04
Speaker 3: that power in the moment, and that's really what heartmouth
30:09
Speaker 3: is dedicated to helping people do.
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Speaker 1: Have there been any studies or work done in terms
30:14
Speaker 1: of atrial fibrillation.
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Speaker 3: Yes, there have. Kaiser did a study in atrial fibrillation
30:21
Speaker 3: using Heartmouth techniques and found a huge improvement, and same
30:28
Speaker 3: with takacardias. There have been a lot of work on that.
30:33
Speaker 3: If you want to learn more about the heartmath research,
30:36
Speaker 3: you can go to heartmouth dot org and click on
30:39
Speaker 3: the research papers. There's over five hundred independent studies based
30:44
Speaker 3: upon Heartmath's research, peer reviewed for all sorts of applications
30:51
Speaker 3: like lowering blood pressure, improving hormonal response, DHA, cortisol levels.
30:58
Speaker 3: I could go on, because again, you're taking charge of
31:03
Speaker 3: the autonomic nervous system that most people thought you couldn't
31:07
Speaker 3: interact with. With heart rate variability via a feedback, you
31:12
Speaker 3: see it and you're taking charge. That's what yogis do.
31:16
Speaker 3: They're actually learning to regulate the autonomic nervous system through meditation.
31:21
Speaker 3: This gives it in everybody's hands. They get to see
31:24
Speaker 3: in real time.
31:27
Speaker 1: And people can train their nervous system actually to respond
31:30
Speaker 1: to stress even in a few minutes.
31:33
Speaker 3: That's right exactly, because you're shifting the heart rate variability
31:38
Speaker 3: or heart rhythm pattern that sends a different signal to
31:42
Speaker 3: the brain like your poem, and it changes and releases
31:47
Speaker 3: the stress response.
31:49
Speaker 1: You had mentioned the word coherence. Please tell us a
31:52
Speaker 1: little bit more about that and how it's achieved through
31:54
Speaker 1: heart math.
31:55
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.
31:57
Speaker 2: Well.
31:57
Speaker 3: I mentioned coherence because I mentioned that smooth heart reveriability
32:03
Speaker 3: pattern that happens when you're feeling genuine love or appreciation
32:09
Speaker 3: or kindness. You're synchronizing your breathing rhythm, your heart rhythm,
32:16
Speaker 3: your brain rhythm, and that synchronizes into a peak and
32:22
Speaker 3: the power spectrum when you measure it, like at zero
32:25
Speaker 3: point one hurts around that area, and that sine wave
32:31
Speaker 3: in physics is called a coherent waveform. So you're bringing
32:36
Speaker 3: your internal systems into synchronization or coherence, and coherence in
32:43
Speaker 3: most dictionaries means clarity, a coherent argument, a coherent thinking.
32:49
Speaker 3: What also means that in physiology, coherence is when everything
32:53
Speaker 3: is sort of lined up and operating with greater efficiency.
32:58
Speaker 3: And so that's why we call and we coin that
33:02
Speaker 3: expression when you're in that synchronized state heart coherence, because
33:09
Speaker 3: the heart is initiating it, helping to synchronize your breathing rhythm,
33:15
Speaker 3: your blood pressure rhythm, and your brain rhythm.
33:20
Speaker 1: And the training protects the heart during periods of mental
33:23
Speaker 1: and emotional stress.
33:26
Speaker 3: When you build up your coherence, you're changing your baseline.
33:29
Speaker 3: As you practice this and get shift, learn to shift
33:33
Speaker 3: in out of the reaction the trigger into more of
33:37
Speaker 3: that interbalanced state, that heart rhythm coherence. You begin to change.
33:43
Speaker 3: The research has shown this your baseline coherence, so that
33:48
Speaker 3: you naturally, even when you're not doing anything, have more
33:51
Speaker 3: coherence in your system between your heart, brain, and body.
33:56
Speaker 3: You're moving more naturally in a flow state, you have
34:00
Speaker 3: more access to intuition. As you go through life, your
34:04
Speaker 3: hearts intuition is guiding you to make choices and decisions,
34:09
Speaker 3: so you're in an optimal state of functioning, and that's
34:13
Speaker 3: what we want to train ourselves into. And then when
34:17
Speaker 3: things happen, you don't trigger as much because you're already
34:22
Speaker 3: more solid in that inner balanced state. So when your
34:26
Speaker 3: kid does something that when you're stressed, irritates you even more,
34:32
Speaker 3: or when you're on a sync with yourself, and you
34:35
Speaker 3: watch the news, you get more afraid of what's going on.
34:39
Speaker 3: When you're in coherence, that helps you stay and move
34:43
Speaker 3: through life in more of that balanced state, so things
34:47
Speaker 3: don't trigger you as much.
34:50
Speaker 1: And what was the frequency that you mentioned the hurts
34:53
Speaker 1: for being in coherence.
34:55
Speaker 3: It's zero point one hurts in the power spark. And
34:58
Speaker 3: if you have our technology you can see it because
35:01
Speaker 3: we have a power spectrum, you can see when you're
35:04
Speaker 3: moving more into that frequency, which happens to be nature's
35:09
Speaker 3: resonant frequency as well.
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Speaker 1: Victor, That's a really low frequency, isn't it.
35:15
Speaker 3: Well, it is, but you know, if you look at
35:19
Speaker 3: the whole spectrum of frequencies, the brain rhythm is more
35:24
Speaker 3: connected with the Schumann resonance, which is seven point eight.
35:27
Speaker 3: It's the core frequencies at the center of the earth
35:32
Speaker 3: and the Earth's geomagnetic field overlap the cardiovascular frequencies. Zero
35:40
Speaker 3: point one hurts is that, And so when you get
35:43
Speaker 3: into that heart coherence state. Coherence happens at every level
35:46
Speaker 3: of nature, from quantum coherence to macro coherence. Everything is
35:53
Speaker 3: harmony and ordered. So even though there's chaos that happens
35:59
Speaker 3: in nature, sure, it comes back into coherence and balance.
36:03
Speaker 3: That's how the human system was designed. If we operate
36:06
Speaker 3: from the heart, if we listen to the heart and
36:09
Speaker 3: lead with the heart, the whole system comes into alignment,
36:14
Speaker 3: and we come into resonance and alignment with nature at
36:18
Speaker 3: that cardiovascular frequency that overlaps the Earth's frequency.
36:24
Speaker 1: One of the practices that I've been following is what
36:27
Speaker 1: they call earthing, which is basically going outside without shoes
36:30
Speaker 1: and connecting to the earth. Is that part of this.
36:33
Speaker 3: Program, Well, we don't teach that specifically a heartmath, but
36:37
Speaker 3: everything that helps bring you into more balance and harmony
36:41
Speaker 3: and resonance with the Earth is going to help bring
36:44
Speaker 3: you into more coherence. Like you walk by the ocean
36:48
Speaker 3: and you feel uplifted, that's naturally a more coherence state.
36:52
Speaker 3: Or people go into the forest do forest breathing, or
36:56
Speaker 3: they just feel uplifted in nature, Like right now I'm
36:59
Speaker 3: looking at trees. I live in Boulder Creek, California, in
37:03
Speaker 3: the redwood forests, and you can feel the connection right away,
37:10
Speaker 3: and that helps enhance your coherence.
37:13
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I've been a tree hugger since I was a teenager.
37:19
Speaker 1: We hear the B word a lot these days burnout.
37:23
Speaker 1: Why has burnout a physiological stress pattern rather than simply
37:27
Speaker 1: an emotional state.
37:29
Speaker 3: Well, just from what we've been talking about, when stress
37:32
Speaker 3: accumulates and your energy is drained, and you know how
37:36
Speaker 3: it feels when something bothers you and you are worried
37:40
Speaker 3: and it just keeps churning, and that churning changes your
37:46
Speaker 3: hormonal response, your moon response, your inner pharmacy, and you
37:51
Speaker 3: feel drained. You know when you can't stop a stress reaction,
37:56
Speaker 3: it drains your energy, rupts your sleep, and all of
38:01
Speaker 3: that accumulates into burnout. You just are exhausted, burned out.
38:07
Speaker 3: Emotionally and physically, they're all connected.
38:12
Speaker 1: How does stress affect cognitive flexibility, clarity and decision making?
38:19
Speaker 3: That's so important nowadays. You know how many people say
38:22
Speaker 3: they have brain fog or they can't think and they
38:25
Speaker 3: can't remember things. And I'm talking about twenty year olds,
38:29
Speaker 3: not just people at seventy or eighty. Because stress accumulates
38:36
Speaker 3: hormonally immune system, in the nervous system dysregulation. Remember we
38:42
Speaker 3: initially said the stress signals the brain to go into
38:46
Speaker 3: survival mode, which is a fight flight fright response. It
38:52
Speaker 3: actually creates what's called cortical inimission, because you can't be
38:56
Speaker 3: philosophizing or thinking about beautiful things when you're angry and
39:04
Speaker 3: triggered in stress reactions or anxious in stress reactions, and
39:11
Speaker 3: that really creates the cortical shutdown, so you don't have
39:14
Speaker 3: access to your intuition, You don't even have access to
39:17
Speaker 3: your higher reasoning power because the higher cortex is inhibited
39:24
Speaker 3: so that the body can protect itself because of stress.
39:29
Speaker 3: And it's just an ancient mechanism when we did live
39:33
Speaker 3: in caves and we did need to watch out for
39:37
Speaker 3: the wolves or the saber too tigers or the threats.
39:41
Speaker 3: It's a built in survival mechanism. The stress response is
39:45
Speaker 3: and it's important to warn us of danger. But today
39:51
Speaker 3: in modern life, like I started this program as saying,
39:55
Speaker 3: our emotions can't keep up with all the change and
39:57
Speaker 3: the disruption and what we see on the news or
40:01
Speaker 3: in social media, and so we're constantly in this stress
40:05
Speaker 3: reaction trigger and that's constantly shutting down our higher brain
40:10
Speaker 3: functions and fogging us out andhibiting our memory, and that
40:16
Speaker 3: affects our mental health and our decision making. It's so
40:21
Speaker 3: important to understand that it's not bad there's no bad.
40:25
Speaker 3: It's just understanding the human operating system and knowing that
40:30
Speaker 3: we don't have to be stuck there. We can release
40:34
Speaker 3: stress as we go and not have it accumulate and
40:37
Speaker 3: build up. And if it's already built up, we can
40:40
Speaker 3: begin to use a series of heartmuth tools or other
40:43
Speaker 3: techniques to begin to release it so it doesn't coagulate
40:49
Speaker 3: or even if we've had trauma. A lot of heartmouth
40:53
Speaker 3: work is with veterans with PTSD to help release that
40:57
Speaker 3: imprint and the brain and the heart has the power
41:02
Speaker 3: and intelligence to do that.
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Speaker 1: How are heart Math's tools different from other stress tracking technologies.
41:11
Speaker 3: Well, the heartmouth technology not only tracks, like there's HRV
41:16
Speaker 3: heart revereering ability technology out there now, it's in, but
41:20
Speaker 3: it's measuring them out. It's telling how much. It's giving
41:23
Speaker 3: you a score number. It's not addressing the pattern over
41:28
Speaker 3: time of what stress looks like, which you can follow
41:32
Speaker 3: with the heart mass m wave or interbalance technology or
41:35
Speaker 3: the new heartmouth app. People can download the heartmouth app
41:40
Speaker 3: and use the camera that's in the back to get
41:45
Speaker 3: an idea of what your heart reverability is doing, and
41:51
Speaker 3: then you can get the inner balance sensor to really
41:54
Speaker 3: train with that, and we've designed everything in the apps
42:00
Speaker 3: answers to give people that power to be able not
42:03
Speaker 3: only to track what's going on an HRV or stress,
42:08
Speaker 3: but train to be able to shift it, to be
42:12
Speaker 3: able to build a new baseline of heart coherence. So
42:18
Speaker 3: what's different is heart Math tracks and trains. That's the
42:23
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Speaker 1: Back on box novis my guest this week, doctor Deborah Rosman,
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Speaker 1: the president and co CEO of heart Math in Corporated.
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Speaker 1: I understand that heart Math is used by first responders.
45:04
Speaker 1: Please tell us about that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, well, again, we have many, many prison responders, from
45:13
Speaker 3: nurses to police officers, to firemen to of course military
45:19
Speaker 3: active duty is who use the heartmath techniques. Police, even
45:26
Speaker 3: in the Netherlands, sixty thousand Dutch police were trained in heartmouth.
45:32
Speaker 3: Why because you can shift out of that stress response,
45:38
Speaker 3: which if you're a first responder and you're seeing all
45:41
Speaker 3: this accidents and people hurt, you're going to have an
45:46
Speaker 3: immediate trigger of stress and reaction. But you can shift
45:50
Speaker 3: out of it really quickly into heart rhythm coherence like
45:55
Speaker 3: we've been talking about. And so we train people and
46:00
Speaker 3: that and there's over one hundred and fifty chief nurses
46:04
Speaker 3: in Kaiser Hospital Northern California system who are certified as
46:09
Speaker 3: heartmath trainers that train other nurses and hospital personnel. There's
46:18
Speaker 3: many active duty military and all four branches of the
46:22
Speaker 3: US military that are trained in heartmath to be able
46:28
Speaker 3: to recenter right quickly after a stressful episode. So that's
46:35
Speaker 3: super important for first responders, people who are in law enforcement,
46:43
Speaker 3: people who are on fire brigades, to be able to reboot,
46:48
Speaker 3: reset quickly, be able to bring the heart rate down
46:53
Speaker 3: and get right into heart rhythm coherence so they're more
46:57
Speaker 3: present and able to make wives decisions right in the
47:00
Speaker 3: moment of need.
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Speaker 1: I read that heart math is the first behavioral intervention
47:07
Speaker 1: shown to reduce Alzheimer's related bio markers. What have the
47:11
Speaker 1: studies shown and what does this portent for brain health?
47:15
Speaker 3: Oh, that's so exciting. Well, it's there have been several
47:21
Speaker 3: studies over the last few years. First one that I
47:26
Speaker 3: know of was at University Southern California, and then a
47:30
Speaker 3: very recent study that in the pre pub copy where
47:34
Speaker 3: they've been using our technology art math HRV coherence technology
47:44
Speaker 3: to be in the heartmouth techniques that show you how
47:47
Speaker 3: to shift from incoherence to coherence and showing that it
47:56
Speaker 3: helps reduce amyloid plaque in the bloodstream and early dementia.
48:05
Speaker 3: So that gives a lot of promise for people who
48:10
Speaker 3: are afraid they could get Alzheimer's or have early Alzheimer's,
48:15
Speaker 3: because again, if you're constantly in stress, it's going to
48:20
Speaker 3: shut down the higher cognitive functions and impair memory. If
48:26
Speaker 3: you can reset your system into this harmonious flow state,
48:31
Speaker 3: synchronizing your breathing and your heart rhythm and your brain waves,
48:35
Speaker 3: it's going to help protect you against dementia, against brain fog,
48:41
Speaker 3: on against the accumulation of potentially the pathway is the
48:47
Speaker 3: accumulation of plaque. Then that's not to say that everybody
48:50
Speaker 3: gets Alzheimer's distress, but it's a key part of the
48:55
Speaker 3: intervention is to really be able to reduce the stress
49:01
Speaker 3: accumulation in the system.
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Speaker 1: And does this research point to the possibility of a
49:07
Speaker 1: future free from degenerative disease.
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Speaker 3: Possibly. I mean, it's certainly a key component. If you
49:15
Speaker 3: just imagine Victor, if you get your system in sync
49:18
Speaker 3: and you're releasing accumulated stress and you're balancing your immune system,
49:23
Speaker 3: your hormones, you're enhancing your heart. All of that is
49:27
Speaker 3: going to make you healthier mentally, emotionally, and physically. That
49:32
Speaker 3: helps protect you against neurogenerative diseases.
49:37
Speaker 1: Wonderful on an everyday basis. How will this work benefit
49:42
Speaker 1: those who experience stress in the workplace?
49:46
Speaker 3: Well, we have programs and we certify organizational development trainers.
49:52
Speaker 3: We certify workplace trainers to be able to introduce these
50:00
Speaker 3: tools in the workplace because we can get overwhelmed quickly.
50:04
Speaker 3: We can get over stressed by too much to do
50:07
Speaker 3: and not enough time to do it, or by our
50:10
Speaker 3: coworkers who we don't get along with. I mean, there's
50:13
Speaker 3: all sorts of stress inputs in the workplace. It's the
50:19
Speaker 3: same principle. You want to be able to release stress
50:22
Speaker 3: as you go, come back into inner balance and activate
50:27
Speaker 3: your higher cognitive functions, your higher creative potentials, your intuitive guidance.
50:33
Speaker 3: All this activating of your higher mental functions makes you
50:38
Speaker 3: more productive, more empowered, more intuitive. It gives you more
50:45
Speaker 3: fulfillment in the workplace as you release stress as you
50:49
Speaker 3: go and not let it build up.
50:53
Speaker 1: I circle back to where we started. Are we facing
50:56
Speaker 1: a stress epidemic because people don't understands, or because they've
51:01
Speaker 1: never been taught how to regulate their nervous system.
51:04
Speaker 3: I think both. I think we have a stress of
51:07
Speaker 3: aidemic because people feel stuck. They've never been taught how
51:13
Speaker 3: to regulate their nervous system or even how to manage
51:16
Speaker 3: their emotions. We aren't taught that in school. We're taught
51:20
Speaker 3: repress them, lead your emotions at the door, or vent
51:24
Speaker 3: them in Neither venting or repressing really releases the stress.
51:31
Speaker 3: It maybe temporarily it feels good to get angry to vent,
51:35
Speaker 3: but then dranger system for six hours, as we talked about,
51:39
Speaker 3: and has other consequences in terms of your relationships. We've
51:44
Speaker 3: never been taught any of what I've been talked about
51:48
Speaker 3: in school, and so people need to understand how the
51:54
Speaker 3: stress system works inside themselves and how it is amplifying
52:02
Speaker 3: separation polarization. I'm right, you're wrong. All of what we
52:08
Speaker 3: see playing out in society, which is the stress epidemic
52:12
Speaker 3: separating us. We're more connected than ever, but we're lonelier
52:16
Speaker 3: than ever. And the playouts in politics, in religion, in
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Speaker 3: all the social dynamics we're seeing are very impactful. So
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Speaker 3: we need to use the simple interrupter, starting with ourselves,
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Speaker 3: release the stress, get yourself back and sink in the flow,
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Speaker 3: and you'll have more mental clarity of how to respond
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Speaker 3: to your family, to life, the situations, to the news.
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Speaker 3: You'll have more intuition. Like for me, yesterday or two
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Speaker 3: days ago, and I heard about this war and watch
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Speaker 3: the news what's happening in Iran. My own heart intuition
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Speaker 3: said Debbie, you're going to get stressed if you don't
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Speaker 3: take a news fast for a day. Just step out
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Speaker 3: of it, which I did. Came back into balance because
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Speaker 3: I care and have so much compassion for the people suffering.
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Speaker 3: I did that. I came back into balance, and now
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Speaker 3: I can watch the news in balance without it accumulating stress.
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Speaker 3: That's just a personal example.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful are programs being developed for schools to practice this.
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Speaker 3: Oh yes, Heart Math Institute, the nonprofit Heart Math organization
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Speaker 3: has programs for children pre k all the way through college,
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Speaker 3: and those programs are being taught in head starts all
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Speaker 3: the way to universities and in every level of school.
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Speaker 3: They're in over a thousand in public schools, private schools,
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Speaker 3: and homeschooling programs. So yes, if you want to see
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Speaker 3: what's happening and how a parenting program how you can
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Speaker 3: use this with your children that's available on the Heartmouth
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Speaker 3: Institute website heartmouth dot org.
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Speaker 1: What message of hope would you offer to our world
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Speaker 1: at this time of great anxiety?
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Speaker 3: Oh, I would. I would say that you can get
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Speaker 3: out of it yourself first. You don't want to keep
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Speaker 3: the anxiety response building in your system. You're not designed
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Speaker 3: for that. Human beings are designed to release anxiety and
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Speaker 3: stress as they go because anxiety is information. Fear is information.
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Speaker 3: It's information so that you can have a more intelligent
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Speaker 3: response and release it. We aren't taught how to do that.
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Speaker 3: And so the message of hope i'd say is the
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Speaker 3: hope is in your heart. It's there, learn to activate it,
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Speaker 3: and Heartmouth is dedicated to helping you do that.
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Speaker 1: My guest doctor Deborah Rosman her book. I'm sorry. She's
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Speaker 1: president and CEO of heart Math Incorporated. Deborah, one more time,
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Speaker 1: please share with our listeners where they can find out
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Speaker 1: more about heart Math and this wonderful work.
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Speaker 3: Yes, please go to our website heartmath dot com. You'll
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Speaker 3: learn about heart coherence, You'll see free re resources, you'll
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Speaker 3: see how you can download the heartmuth app or get
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Speaker 3: the Inner Balance Coherence plus censor and watch your heart
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Speaker 3: rate variability change in real time as it guides you
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Speaker 3: through the shift from incoherence to coherence and clarity.
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Speaker 1: Deborah, thank you so much for joining us and sharing
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Speaker 1: this wonderful and positive information.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you Victor so much for having me. I
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Speaker 3: appreciate it and so much care. To all of your audience, thank.
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Speaker 1: You and thank you for joining us on Vox Novus.
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Speaker 1: I'm Victor the Voice Urman. Have a wonderful week.