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Brawls all around baseball! Big start for Dustin May? Jordan Walker... · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
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Speaker 1: wrapped up a road trip where they finished five hundred
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Speaker 1: but we wanted to talk some brawl first, Lance, if
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Speaker 1: that's okay. Everyone saw the video of the Braves and
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Speaker 1: Angels brawling. Apparently, Ah, Jorge Solaire hits uh Raynaldo Lopez
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Speaker 1: really really well.
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Speaker 2: Then Tuesday night he hits a Homer and his neck's
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Speaker 2: that bad.
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Speaker 1: He got plunked, and then Lopez comes in and high
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Speaker 1: on another pitch and there's some talking. Next thing you know,
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Speaker 1: punches are being thrown. Not sure if any landed. Both
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Speaker 1: guys got suspended. They're appealing. One guy had his suspension
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Speaker 1: shortened already. But my question is, lance, as I watched
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Speaker 1: this video and I know you did, is where's the catcher?
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Speaker 2: Him?
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Speaker 3: The catcher?
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Speaker 2: Right now?
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Speaker 1: We're so we're we're we're used to seeing YACHTI running
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Speaker 1: the show, right, But if you're you're a former major
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Speaker 1: league pitcher and Solayer is a big man, he's a
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Speaker 1: giant guy, you could probably do some damage.
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Speaker 2: And this was my question watching it.
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Speaker 1: The catcher is supposed to get in between you and
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Speaker 1: the guy who's trying to hurt you if you're the
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Speaker 1: starting pitcher, and not be pushing from behind. So my
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Speaker 1: question is what should the role of a good catcher
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Speaker 1: be when a batter wants to beat up your pitcher?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's that one's It was a weird
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Speaker 4: h the way it went down. It wasn't directly like hey,
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Speaker 4: after the ball you know went over his head or
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Speaker 4: you know, went high and tight that it went down.
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Speaker 4: It took a minute to get going. So the catcher
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Speaker 4: I think wasn't quite ready for it. You know, obviously
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Speaker 4: every you know, every catcher is their their goal is
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Speaker 4: to get in between them, make sure hold them back
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Speaker 4: or whatever.
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Speaker 3: The way it went down, it was hard to you know,
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Speaker 3: you just didn't see it coming.
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Speaker 4: I guess, you know, they started chirping and then so
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Speaker 4: Laia was already gone before he could even get get
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Speaker 4: to him or get from behind the plate. So I'll
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Speaker 4: give him, I'll give him some grace on this one.
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Speaker 4: So Laria was out ahead of him, he's bigger than him,
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Speaker 4: and he was on a mission to get a hold
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Speaker 4: of Lopez. So that was that was a hard one
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Speaker 4: to get around and get in front of somebody. You know,
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Speaker 4: if somebody gets plunked and and there's the plays dead
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Speaker 4: and things like that, then you expected catcher to kind
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Speaker 4: of like, yeah, he was always great at coming out
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Speaker 4: and he would always get like out in front of
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Speaker 4: the home plate on the grass and stuff like that
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Speaker 4: and just make sure. But that one wasn't how that
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Speaker 4: one went down, So I'll give the catcher some grace there.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, those two go way back.
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Speaker 4: I mean they've been and they were in the same
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Speaker 4: division for a while a couple of different times. So
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Speaker 4: you know, as you said, he hits Ronaldo well, and
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Speaker 4: I know although as a teammate he doesn't like being
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Speaker 4: hit well. So he was trying to, you know, make
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Speaker 4: him uncomfortable. And that's usually what happens when when both
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Speaker 4: sides want to make sure the other one knows who's
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Speaker 4: in charge.
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Speaker 1: So Lopez keeps the ball in his hand, which is
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Speaker 1: an option. There's a weapon, I yes, and never really
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Speaker 1: seen that, but you've I don't know if you've had
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Speaker 1: guys charge them at them, but from a picture standpoint,
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Speaker 1: I've seen it go.
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Speaker 2: You throw a glove at him.
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Speaker 1: Some guys, you see the picture, let the batter's momentum
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Speaker 1: take you know, and kind of sidestep and take them
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Speaker 1: out that way. What's the best option for a picture
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Speaker 1: when they know they're about to be.
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Speaker 3: Charged, You know, it just depends on what you are.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: Usually usually if you are a fighter, you're probably gonna
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Speaker 4: meet him halfway and be ready for it.
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Speaker 3: There's ones that want no part of it.
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Speaker 4: They usually are a backpedal and make sure the catcher
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Speaker 4: or third basement first baseman like get there before to
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Speaker 4: make sure, no one gets to them. So it's all
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Speaker 4: about what what's your what your intentions are, and what
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Speaker 4: you're trying to do. So you know, for me, my
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Speaker 4: favorite one I think I ever saw was, well you
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Speaker 4: have like the back of the day going Ryan with
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Speaker 4: venture just headlocking him, going for it. If that would
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Speaker 4: be what I would go for, walking to him and
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Speaker 4: being like, all right, let's do this, and then wrapping
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Speaker 4: him up.
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Speaker 3: And go down.
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Speaker 4: And then Farnsworth what Farnsworth like just decleted somebody chasing
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Speaker 4: like coming at him one time too, So those are
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Speaker 4: probably my favorite two. The way that the pitchers go
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Speaker 4: so no helmets, snow bats, no gloves, snowballs, That's the.
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Speaker 3: Way I would go about it.
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Speaker 4: It's you versus me, if we're going to do this,
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Speaker 4: and then we'll we'll figure out how to get get
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Speaker 4: it get it from there.
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Speaker 1: See that's me. I'm just hoping that catch your intervenes quickly.
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Speaker 3: The other thing, you're the backs to the back of
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Speaker 3: the mound.
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Speaker 4: Catcher grabs them, third baseman, first baseman, you guys, you
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Speaker 4: guys got it.
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Speaker 3: And then are you that guy that like runs and
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Speaker 3: jumps in at the end when they got him down?
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Speaker 2: What I would do is once the guy's secure ustance.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, once the guy's secured, then I pretend I really
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Speaker 1: wanted a piece of them, you see, and I see
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Speaker 1: a lot of pictures doing that.
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Speaker 3: Has your chance, Yeah, I like So.
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Speaker 4: One of my favorite ones too is Joe Kelly and
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Speaker 4: I think it was awesome from the Yankees back in
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Speaker 4: the day when he met him and that boy was
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Speaker 4: that boy was bigger than Joe and Joe they stood
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Speaker 4: up and they did it right there.
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Speaker 3: So respect to Joe for that one. He was like, Hey,
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Speaker 3: let's do this, Let's do it.
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Speaker 1: And Joe Kelly's Fight Club was born right there, still
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Speaker 1: selling T shirts for that. How about that Wilson Contreras
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Speaker 1: h we know him as a Cardinals now with the
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Speaker 1: Red Sox. We'll see him this weekend. We'll talk more
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Speaker 1: about that in a minute. But Wilson is a fiery
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Speaker 1: guy and they're Red Socks are facing the Brewers, and
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Speaker 1: the Brewers have a history of plunking Wilson Coon Treer's
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Speaker 1: twenty four times they've done it. He got hit by
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Speaker 1: Woodruff six time.
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Speaker 2: That guy has hit him. So this is what Wilson's that's.
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Speaker 1: After the game, he said next time they hit me,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take one of them out. That's the message.
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Speaker 1: You know Wilson pretty well. He's a scary guy, isn't he.
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Speaker 4: If he said it a minute, I'm gonna say that, yes,
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Speaker 4: if he if he gets hit again, he's not going
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Speaker 4: to let those words not be true.
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Speaker 3: So it's gonna be interesting.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think they'll face each other again
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Speaker 4: this year, so that's good for him in the league
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Speaker 4: and all that in case it does go down. But yeah,
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think in his career he's been hit
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Speaker 4: by Milwaukee pitching more than any team by a lot.
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Speaker 3: And then so yeah, he's just over it.
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Speaker 4: When you play in that division that long as he has,
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Speaker 4: you're gonna have beef. And Milwaukee's his team that he'd
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Speaker 4: bet swiss. And it's kind of crazy because his brother's
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Speaker 4: the catcher, So who's he taking out? Usually you go
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Speaker 4: after the catcher, you know, so you know, as you
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Speaker 4: get to try to whoop his little brother's ass when
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Speaker 4: he gets hit again. I don't really know how it's
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Speaker 4: going to go down, but somebody, I mean, you saw
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Speaker 4: him on the slide in a second like that's Hey,
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Speaker 4: you got to keep hitting me, I'm going to get somebody.
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Speaker 4: And he got the you know, the you know, the
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Speaker 4: infielder at second, so he means what he says. And yes,
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Speaker 4: when you get hit that many times, you can take
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Speaker 4: it personal, like it's Woodroff is a good enough picture
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Speaker 4: where you you shouldn't be hitting someone that much. So
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Speaker 4: I think John Lackett used to say, it's like, is
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Speaker 4: it not on purpose? It might not be, but you
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Speaker 4: know you're good enough not to hit me, So you're
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Speaker 4: just coming in there carelessly because you don't care if
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Speaker 4: you hit me. And there's so that's kind of where
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Speaker 4: he's at. It's like, okay, if you don't care if
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Speaker 4: you hit me, and you do hit me, I don't
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Speaker 4: care if I hurt one of your guys. And he
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Speaker 4: let everybody know that, and you understand that because he's
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Speaker 4: been hitting the hand and miss time and this all
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Speaker 4: that like you're taking you know, food off his table
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Speaker 4: by keep plunking him to and he's tired of it.
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Speaker 2: Now there's a time and place for retribution.
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Speaker 1: I remember when Wilson was with the Cardinals, he seemed
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Speaker 1: to intimate that some of the pictures should have taken
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Speaker 1: care of him and answered back when he gets plunked. Now,
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Speaker 1: I know for a fact, because I know a lot
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Speaker 1: of guys that don't play anymore who have told me
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Speaker 1: they're not going to tell tales. But managers we all
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Speaker 1: know have instructed them plunked this guy. They don't come
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Speaker 1: and they don't say in so many words, but that
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Speaker 1: direction is pretty clear.
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Speaker 2: Have you do you had you ever been told to
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Speaker 2: do that?
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Speaker 1: Or is that something that Lanceln would do because he
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Speaker 1: knows it's the right thing to.
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Speaker 4: Do when you're When you're younger, you get instructed on
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Speaker 4: how to navigate a ballgame the way that you should,
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Speaker 4: and then you get older you learn to do what
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Speaker 4: you think is right when you need to do it
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Speaker 4: at certain times. So I had it both ways in
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Speaker 4: my career where I was able to be taught how
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Speaker 4: to navigate a ballgame in a series and a situation,
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Speaker 4: and then was able to learn from that and take
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Speaker 4: care of the ballgame and situations on my own as
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Speaker 4: I got older.
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Speaker 3: In my in my career.
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Speaker 4: So you know the nice words that you say, you know,
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Speaker 4: is this, hey, let's make this guy feel this, or
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Speaker 4: you know that was said to me one time and
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Speaker 4: then another one was uh, I want you to put
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Speaker 4: a hole through this motherfucker. So you know, it's it
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Speaker 4: is what it is. So that's that's how it kind
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Speaker 4: of goes down.
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Speaker 1: As I say, that's baseball. But we all know sometimes
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Speaker 1: the direction comes down from the manager, and the manager
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Speaker 1: will deny it and deny it and deny it, but
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Speaker 1: it happens and it's part of baseball. Did you have
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Speaker 1: a player in particular in your career that you didn't
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Speaker 1: get along with that there might have been a little
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Speaker 1: of that brushback or accidental meaning that that happened more
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Speaker 1: than on one occasion.
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Speaker 4: No, I never, like, like, there wasn't a guy where
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Speaker 4: it's like, hey, I'm going to hit him because he's
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Speaker 4: hitting me. Like that was never my mindset. If you're
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Speaker 4: like own me in a sense, hey, that's that's on
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Speaker 4: me to get you out. So I'm not gonna You know,
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Speaker 4: there's guys that I wanted to make feel uncomfortable inside,
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Speaker 4: but I'm not throwing it in there to hit him
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Speaker 4: on purpose or anything like that, because they you know,
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Speaker 4: if you leave it out over, they do you damage.
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Speaker 4: So I've never plunked anyone. I think the only person
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Speaker 4: I ever really got just pissed off.
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Speaker 2: At was uh.
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Speaker 3: Para. He was with what Diamondbacks for a long time.
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Speaker 3: Then he got me.
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Speaker 4: He got me in Colorado, like one road deep in Colorado,
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Speaker 4: and I was like, man, I'm over this guy. That
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Speaker 4: was the only guy I was like, I think I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna hit him next time. Never did, but I was like,
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Speaker 4: I just he just deserves one in the kneecap.
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Speaker 3: I don't really know what.
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Speaker 4: Else to do, but I didn't because I was like,
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Speaker 4: you know, what if that's how you're gonna get him out,
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Speaker 4: or you know if that's what you got.
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Speaker 3: To do, because you can't get him out, that's bullshit.
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Speaker 3: So I didn't do it. But that was my mic.
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Speaker 4: This guy just made I just needed to make him
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Speaker 4: feel something because he just finds the barrel with my
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Speaker 4: pitch whatever I throw, but never hit him.
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Speaker 1: But the biggest beef I think from from hitters. Even
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Speaker 1: if you plunk them intentionally, most of them understand that's
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Speaker 1: the game. They just don't want it in the in
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Speaker 1: the danger era, as you mentioned something that could sideline
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Speaker 1: them and take food off their table, that's when you
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Speaker 1: get the reaction.
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Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, I see, I think I got I
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Speaker 4: got justin up in one year in Texas in the
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Speaker 4: hand when I was literally I was trying to throw
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Speaker 4: a fastball like up and away for you know, swing through,
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Speaker 4: and I had the shooter that armside that ran into
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Speaker 4: his hand. I was like, after the game, I saw
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Speaker 4: him a botto of Don Julio and told him, my bad.
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Speaker 4: You know, if you hurt a guy on a hand
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Speaker 4: or something like that, it's like, hey, my bad. You
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Speaker 4: know it wasn't on purpose, but you know I got
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Speaker 4: to be better than that. So you definitely want to
12:45
Speaker 4: don't want to go up top. You want to say
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Speaker 4: away from hands and head. That's that's that's what I
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Speaker 4: was told from me. It was always aim at the
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Speaker 4: hip because if it rides a little high, you get
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Speaker 4: the ribs you did real good. And if it goes
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Speaker 4: a little low, you get meat of the you know,
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Speaker 4: you get meat of the leg. Which you know, if
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Speaker 4: you get them good and get a nice little Charlie
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Speaker 4: worse in the leg, and you know they both they
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Speaker 4: both are felt the same. A little hitchhot doesn't feel
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Speaker 4: good either.
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Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. All right.
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Speaker 1: Well, the Cardinals just finished up a road trip. They
13:14
Speaker 1: played very well on that road Trip. There's still two
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Speaker 1: games over five hundred, I think, exceeding a lot of
13:19
Speaker 1: expectations because they always seem to battle back. They got
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox this week and we're gonna talk more
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Speaker 1: Cardinals back home to face the Red Sox this weekend,
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Speaker 1: starting tomorrow. In the opener, it's a commonly early going
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Speaker 1: for the Socks. Dustin May goes for the Cards. It'll
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Speaker 1: be his third start as a Cardinal. First two lance
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Speaker 1: have not been good for May. Now, this guy's a veteran.
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Speaker 1: Doubles some injuries, but we know when he's healthy, the
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Speaker 1: guy can pitch. But now he's coming back from me.
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Speaker 1: That was kind of so so looking to it. Reinvent
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Speaker 1: himself had an outstanding spring and the first two starts
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Speaker 1: not good. You're a guy who's been around pitching a
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Speaker 1: long time, even a sort of veteran like May. Is
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Speaker 1: he feeling pressure now? That is this a because I
15:16
Speaker 1: heard someone say this is a big start for dust
15:18
Speaker 1: to May. It's early in the season, rebuilding year. I'm
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Speaker 1: not so sure it's a big start, or is it?
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Speaker 1: Am I do I have it wrong.
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Speaker 4: It's it's not it's not a big start, but it's
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Speaker 4: a it's a feel good start.
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Speaker 3: You need one of those. You know, you don't want
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Speaker 3: to have three bad ones in a row.
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Speaker 4: You don't want to you know, you look up and
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Speaker 4: April's behind you with a with just just trash right,
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Speaker 4: like just no feel no no confidence and all that.
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Speaker 4: So you know, it's not a make or break start,
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Speaker 4: it's a hey, we need it. We need to have
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Speaker 4: some positive like if he can get if we can
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Speaker 4: get him through five into the sixth inning, you know,
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Speaker 4: don't don't push him that extra inning today or you know,
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Speaker 4: like don't push him in an extra anything. This start
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Speaker 4: where it feels good to move on to the next one.
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Speaker 4: So it's like a it's a building block start, I guess,
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Speaker 4: and kind of forget.
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Speaker 3: The last two. Let's get back to what we do,
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Speaker 3: what you know how to do.
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Speaker 4: And you know it's hey, it's like you say veterans stuff,
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Speaker 4: but you know, I had he has only had one
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Speaker 4: year over he has a career year last year in
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Speaker 4: innings pitch at one hundred and thirty, so he's he's
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Speaker 4: still got a lot of you know, he's had some success, yes,
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Speaker 4: and had some playoff success and stuff like that, but
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Speaker 4: I putting it together over a full season is what
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Speaker 4: he's trying to prove right now. So it's a it's
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Speaker 4: a feel good start to start building that block, to
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Speaker 4: show him like, hey, I can make thirty starts, I
16:35
Speaker 4: can throw one hundred and sixty to one hundred and
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Speaker 4: eighty innings and you know, I'll be thirty years old
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Speaker 4: and really like show people that I can be a
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Speaker 4: really good major league pitcher and be accountable and be
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Speaker 4: and be on the mound and you know, and and
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Speaker 4: be active. That's what he's trying to prove this year.
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Speaker 4: So I would say it's a we'll call it. We'll
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Speaker 4: call it a building We need a building block. Feel
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Speaker 4: good start coming up, all right?
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Speaker 2: I like that.
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Speaker 1: I like that Crumby start for the Red Sox, but
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Speaker 1: a really good start for the Cardinals. And Jordan Walker
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Speaker 1: who's good in the homestand continues it. He's homeward in
17:09
Speaker 1: Ford of his last five games. He's got five homers
17:11
Speaker 1: on the season. And this is a guy who had
17:14
Speaker 1: six homers all of last year. This is a guy
17:16
Speaker 1: who was up and down last year trying to find
17:19
Speaker 1: that stroke. They simplified it, as Bran Brown said, they've
17:23
Speaker 1: reached a great agreement on how to get Jordan back
17:27
Speaker 1: where they're letting him do a lot of the stuff
17:29
Speaker 1: that he wanted to do, what he's comfortable doing. But
17:33
Speaker 1: they've also changed his body stance a little bit based
17:36
Speaker 1: on data. To me, lance, he just looks like a
17:40
Speaker 1: more confident guy. We knew he could hit because we
17:42
Speaker 1: saw it in his first year in the big leagues,
17:45
Speaker 1: but to me, he looks like a completely different hitter.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
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Speaker 4: Confidence is huge in baseball. I mean, this is one
17:52
Speaker 4: of the most negative games you can ever play.
17:54
Speaker 3: Right.
17:54
Speaker 4: You can go, you know, you can get out seven
17:56
Speaker 4: out of ten times and you're like, man, what a
17:58
Speaker 4: great what a great ten at that stretch that he had,
18:01
Speaker 4: because you were had three hits, But you're like, you
18:03
Speaker 4: got out seven of the other other times. So it
18:05
Speaker 4: can be negative at all times. So I love what
18:09
Speaker 4: they're doing in the sense of, hey, what are you
18:12
Speaker 4: comfortable with and how can we integrate what we think
18:15
Speaker 4: can help you and what you're comfortable with together. And
18:18
Speaker 4: I think that's been the thing that's really been kind
18:20
Speaker 4: of holding him back his first year. He had success,
18:23
Speaker 4: they wanted more home runs in the ball in the air.
18:25
Speaker 4: So now it's like change everything, and then you get
18:28
Speaker 4: lost in this game.
18:29
Speaker 3: You can get lost quick.
18:30
Speaker 4: So they're giving the building blocks and then you slowly
18:33
Speaker 4: build on the top of it. And then also, when
18:35
Speaker 4: you're comfortable, you can worry about what the pitcher's trying
18:38
Speaker 4: to do and actually incorporate an approach. When you're uncomfortable
18:42
Speaker 4: and searching, you can't have an approach. You're trying to
18:44
Speaker 4: figure out how what feels good to stand in the box?
18:46
Speaker 4: Where's my hands, where's my when's my land leg hit?
18:50
Speaker 3: Where where's my batpath? You have to be?
18:52
Speaker 4: And you're like, by the time you're done with it,
18:54
Speaker 4: the ball's by you and you're in the dugout going
18:57
Speaker 4: like what just happened? And that's where you've been in
19:00
Speaker 4: the last two years, to be honest with you, because
19:02
Speaker 4: he's been.
19:02
Speaker 3: Searching for everything that everybody wants him to do.
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Speaker 4: Figure out the player you are, and then you figure
19:09
Speaker 4: out how to build on top of that. And I
19:10
Speaker 4: think that's what he's finally done. And when you have
19:13
Speaker 4: the lack of success he's had the last two years
19:15
Speaker 4: at the major league level, you can learn a lot,
19:17
Speaker 4: and I think he has. And then now it's like,
19:19
Speaker 4: all right, I'm going to be me, but also figure
19:21
Speaker 4: out all these things that they're trying to do, and
19:22
Speaker 4: I can integrate a little bit. Hey, maybe he found
19:25
Speaker 4: some things that didn't work for him, so now I
19:26
Speaker 4: will never try him again, and that could be a
19:28
Speaker 4: good building buck moving forward to him too.
19:30
Speaker 3: So I like George's a good kid.
19:34
Speaker 4: It was one of those things where everybody thought that
19:37
Speaker 4: he should be a forty home run guy because he's big, right,
19:39
Speaker 4: But he was twenty one years old and the big
19:42
Speaker 4: leagues or even younger when he first came up. It's like,
19:44
Speaker 4: you don't expect those guys to hit thirty home runs
19:47
Speaker 4: and what at nineteen home runs his rookie year. If
19:50
Speaker 4: he just stayed the same, that would have been twenty five, right,
19:52
Speaker 4: just because he got bigger and more experience and all that.
19:54
Speaker 4: But they've changed everything and then he just digressed because
19:57
Speaker 4: of it. So hopefully this is a huge pine, you know,
20:01
Speaker 4: the comfort or the comfort of building everything together and
20:04
Speaker 4: having someone that he trust and be like, hey, this
20:06
Speaker 4: is what I like to do. Now tell me how
20:08
Speaker 4: to integrate the things you like with what I like
20:10
Speaker 4: to do, and then he'll become a good player.
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Speaker 1: That guy's Casey Chennan with who was a double A
20:15
Speaker 1: hitting coach you Jordan liked a lot, and now he's
20:17
Speaker 1: with the big league club. So that's certainly a support
20:20
Speaker 1: system built in for Jordan. One of the things we've
20:23
Speaker 1: seen outside Jordan is that this team battles back. And
20:27
Speaker 1: you know they talk about starting pitchers when there's no
20:29
Speaker 1: offense kind of maybe get a little tight, knowing one mistake.
20:34
Speaker 2: Will cost him.
20:34
Speaker 1: When you know that your team could come back from
20:38
Speaker 1: a four run deficit, which we've seen the Cardinals do.
20:40
Speaker 2: What does that do for a starting pitcher? Uh?
20:44
Speaker 4: You know, for me as a starter, I never worried about,
20:47
Speaker 4: uh what the offense was doing. You know, if you're
20:49
Speaker 4: worrying about them, then you're you're not doing what you
20:51
Speaker 4: need to do. But yes, when you know that, hey,
20:55
Speaker 4: even if I get down, these boys aren't gonna quit
20:57
Speaker 4: on me. They're gonna stay with me. They're gonna do
20:59
Speaker 4: everything they can, and they got a lot of fight.
21:00
Speaker 4: They're young and hungry man, and young and hungry baseball
21:04
Speaker 4: players are are fun to watch and they and they
21:07
Speaker 4: and you can't count them out. And that's what you're
21:09
Speaker 4: that's what you're seeing early on is they've got guys
21:12
Speaker 4: that are trying to show everyone that they're major leaguers.
21:14
Speaker 4: They're trying to you know, get their career rolling, doing
21:19
Speaker 4: the things they need to do. They're buying in. So
21:21
Speaker 4: it's fun when you see young and hungry baseball players
21:24
Speaker 4: play because there's no there's no you know, there's no
21:27
Speaker 4: give up.
21:27
Speaker 3: And that's the beauty. And when I mean when i'll
21:30
Speaker 3: he'se your manager.
21:30
Speaker 4: You're not going to have any get up, give up
21:32
Speaker 4: because he's not going to allow you to have give up.
21:34
Speaker 3: So I'm loving what I'm seeing. The energy. They're never
21:37
Speaker 3: out of it.
21:38
Speaker 4: You know, even when they get you know, slapped in
21:40
Speaker 4: the face late in the game, they bounce back the
21:42
Speaker 4: next game or the same game at some point.
21:44
Speaker 3: And maybe even that the bottom half of that inning.
21:46
Speaker 4: So there's no there's no whate was me games over
21:50
Speaker 4: right away just because we gave up four or five.
21:52
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, watch this. So that's fun.
21:55
Speaker 1: In the bullpen, which you know, had taken its lumps
21:59
Speaker 1: in some of the games that they didn't win, seems
22:02
Speaker 1: to have corrected course to me. Swanson is a really
22:06
Speaker 1: good pitcher. He was excellent last year. He's one of
22:08
Speaker 1: those guys that had been a bullpen guy in the minors,
22:11
Speaker 1: so he knows how to do it. But he got
22:13
Speaker 1: hit around a lot we saw in his last outing.
22:16
Speaker 1: Good and that seems still solidify the bullpen because now Ali,
22:20
Speaker 1: you know, based on usage, can spread things out and
22:23
Speaker 1: use guys where he thinks he'll have the most success.
22:26
Speaker 2: And that's a good sign, isn't it.
22:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the flow of the season is going to
22:30
Speaker 4: dictate the things that you need to Early on in
22:32
Speaker 4: the year, you're trying to fill guys out, feel what
22:34
Speaker 4: they can handle, especially when you have a young bullpen.
22:36
Speaker 3: Right.
22:37
Speaker 4: He had some success last year, but this is his
22:39
Speaker 4: first full year. First opening week, you know, first everything
22:42
Speaker 4: for real, and when you come up you're kind of
22:45
Speaker 4: just piecing it together and figuring out how to how
22:48
Speaker 4: to stay there. Now, when you make the opening day roster,
22:51
Speaker 4: it's like, hey, there's a different expectation you put on yourself,
22:55
Speaker 4: which might be unnecessary. You seem to kind of go
22:57
Speaker 4: do what you did before. So hopefully this first week
23:00
Speaker 4: everybody finds the rhythm. Alli finds the rhythm how he
23:03
Speaker 4: wants to use guys. He can kind of pick their
23:05
Speaker 4: brain a little bit, what makes them feel good when
23:06
Speaker 4: they win, to bring them in if they're the start
23:09
Speaker 4: of the inning guy, or if they are a guy
23:11
Speaker 4: that can come in and get you out of an inning.
23:13
Speaker 4: You know, you just find how those guys tick. And
23:15
Speaker 4: it takes a minute. It's not spring training is like
23:18
Speaker 4: all everyone's like, oh, they should already know that. It's like, no,
23:20
Speaker 4: in spring training, you get clean innings. You know you
23:23
Speaker 4: already when you show up that day, you know you're
23:25
Speaker 4: scheduled to pitch the fourth, fifth, sixth inning in a
23:28
Speaker 4: big league game, it's you know, hey, you're going to be,
23:30
Speaker 4: you know, a bridge guy.
23:31
Speaker 3: Are you're going to be this today? And then you're
23:33
Speaker 3: going to find those guys out.
23:34
Speaker 4: Let them have a little success, and then you can
23:35
Speaker 4: figure out who you's going to be your fireman and
23:37
Speaker 4: if we got to get out of a six and
23:38
Speaker 4: then can he come back out for the seventh. And
23:41
Speaker 4: these young guys are trying to figure that out at
23:42
Speaker 4: the big league level, always trying to figure them out
23:44
Speaker 4: to see how they tick and what they can handle.
23:46
Speaker 4: And they also are going to have to push them
23:48
Speaker 4: a little bit to see what they're capable of. And
23:50
Speaker 4: that's going to be the fun thing that happens this year.
23:53
Speaker 4: It's going to have some lumps. Like you said, there's
23:55
Speaker 4: gonna be more lumps, but that's what you happen when
23:58
Speaker 4: you have a young team that's trying to.
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Speaker 3: Show what they're capable of it. There's gonna be.
24:02
Speaker 4: Things you're like, oh that was that worked out? Great,
24:04
Speaker 4: he's found his rhythm. But then you try a little
24:06
Speaker 4: something else, give him more of a leverage situation. It
24:08
Speaker 4: might not go well, but you got to do it
24:10
Speaker 4: again because you gotta see if you can handle it
24:11
Speaker 4: and see if he can be somebody for you, especially
24:13
Speaker 4: down the stretch or maybe even next year when you're
24:15
Speaker 4: trying to you know, win the division and things like that.
24:17
Speaker 3: You got to help build them up. So it's gonna
24:19
Speaker 3: be a fun little ride. But there's gonna be some mumps.
24:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's bumps, But if you have a young team
24:24
Speaker 1: that's gonna always try to punch back, I think fans
24:27
Speaker 1: will get on board. Hopefully we see some decent crowds.
24:30
Speaker 1: Lance we started our program with some baseball talk. We
24:33
Speaker 1: circled nicely back to the Cardinals, and that's gonna do
24:36
Speaker 1: it for us. Great job, Lance, and that's gonna do
24:39
Speaker 1: it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you
24:42
Speaker 1: next time for the next episode, and hopefully that one
24:44
Speaker 1: won't suck.