Latest / Gone Cold - Texas True Crime / The Murder of Leon Laureles in Brown County, Texas Part 2
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Gone Call.
- 0:02Speaker 2: Podcasts may contain violent or graphics subject matter.
- 0:05Speaker 3: Listener discretion is advised. This is part two of two
- 0:11Speaker 3: of the murder of Leon Laurels in Brown County, Texas.
- 0:14Speaker 3: If you haven't listened to part one, it would be
- 0:17Speaker 3: a good idea to do that before going any further
- 0:20Speaker 3: into this episode. Here's a brief rundown of what we've
- 0:23Speaker 3: already covered. One Leon Lorellis, who went by his middle name,
- 0:29Speaker 3: was described to us as a gentle giant. He was
- 0:32Speaker 3: tall and stout, but his physicality was dwarfed by his
- 0:36Speaker 3: kindness and compassion. That's what made his violent death unfathomable.
- 0:42Speaker 3: At around twelve thirty am on Friday, May tenth, nineteen
- 0:46Speaker 3: ninety six, shortly after Leon was due to work as
- 0:49Speaker 3: shift at the Kroger grocery store in Brownwood, Texas, his
- 0:53Speaker 3: nineteen eighty eight black Ford thunderbird was found burning on
- 0:56Speaker 3: a narrow road next to an outdoor shooting range off
- 1:00Speaker 3: Farmed Market Road twenty one, twenty six, just a little
- 1:04Speaker 3: east of Brownwood in a rural area. The body of
- 1:08Speaker 3: thirty year old Leon Lorells was found near the blaze.
- 1:12Speaker 3: He'd been shot in the back of his head while kneeling,
- 1:15Speaker 3: described as execution style by authorities. Leon's car was seen
- 1:21Speaker 3: by a witness parked in the Kroger parking lot sometime
- 1:24Speaker 3: after eleven thirty pm, presumably shortly after arriving to work
- 1:28Speaker 3: his shift. Another vehicle was seen next to his and
- 1:32Speaker 3: both drove off. This was highly out of character for Leon,
- 1:37Speaker 3: who'd never even been late for a shift, let alone
- 1:40Speaker 3: skipped out on one without telling any of his co workers.
- 1:44Speaker 3: He was most likely forced somehow. Leon, it appears, might
- 1:50Speaker 3: have been in a relationship with a man from his
- 1:52Speaker 3: hometown of Brady, Texas, a teacher or coach at his
- 1:56Speaker 3: alma mater, Brady High School. Un expressed to a man
- 2:01Speaker 3: named Steve Harris that he was frustrated because the man
- 2:05Speaker 3: he was seeing preferred to keep the relationship a secret,
- 2:08Speaker 3: while Leon was tired of hiding it. Since a faculty
- 2:13Speaker 3: member of a small Texas town high school in nineteen
- 2:16Speaker 3: ninety six would likely have lost his job if it
- 2:19Speaker 3: became known that he was gay or worse, it could
- 2:22Speaker 3: be considered a plausible motive to kill Leon, but there
- 2:27Speaker 3: are other theories in the case, one of which just
- 2:30Speaker 3: as plausible, if not more. One theory concerning the execution
- 2:35Speaker 3: style murder of Leon Lorells is that the act was
- 2:39Speaker 3: a hate crime.
- 3:01Speaker 4: And he was always there for me, He was there
- 3:04Speaker 4: for everyone. So the fact that somebody could do this
- 3:08Speaker 4: to him, I just don't understand. And it's just left
- 3:12Speaker 4: a big old hole in my heart.
- 3:15Speaker 2: You know, it's not going to change anything if we
- 3:17Speaker 2: find who did this, but I feel like he deserves just.
- 3:22Speaker 3: As Leon Lorells didn't hate anything or anyone, but perhaps
- 3:45Speaker 3: there were those who hated who he was. The city
- 3:49Speaker 3: of Brownwood had a history of folks terrorizing gay and
- 3:52Speaker 3: lesbian residents, among others, because of their skin color or
- 3:57Speaker 3: religious beliefs. In fact, Howard pain University in Brownwood is
- 4:02Speaker 3: consistently ranked among a handful of the absolute worst colleges
- 4:06Speaker 3: for LGBTQ plus students in Texas. Colleges that discriminate against
- 4:13Speaker 3: LGBTQ plus students once lost federal funds by doing so,
- 4:18Speaker 3: But according to a twenty sixteen Dallas Morning News article,
- 4:22Speaker 3: Howard Paine University is among nine colleges in Texas that
- 4:27Speaker 3: continually filed for exemptions based on religious beliefs. But it
- 4:32Speaker 3: gets much darker when you hear what others have been
- 4:36Speaker 3: through in Brownwood and Brown County. The theory that the
- 4:39Speaker 3: slang of Leon Loreles was a hate crime is incredibly plausible.
- 4:44Speaker 3: A Brownwood High school student was harassed and once sexually
- 4:48Speaker 3: assaulted while at school because he was gay. A Brownwood
- 4:52Speaker 3: woman was raped by a man because she was a lesbian.
- 4:56Speaker 3: I'll show you what it's like to have a man,
- 4:59Speaker 3: the rapist told her. As far as Leon's murder is concerned,
- 5:04Speaker 3: an Arson investigator that worked the case in recent years
- 5:08Speaker 3: said he'd been told that Leon had propositioned a man
- 5:11Speaker 3: who was straight and that that person wanted to get even.
- 5:15Speaker 3: According to this theory, the angry man told others who
- 5:19Speaker 3: then took it upon themselves to get back at Leon
- 5:22Speaker 3: or helped the man. Late local businessman Steve Harris fought
- 5:27Speaker 3: against harassment and attempts to run him. His partner also
- 5:32Speaker 3: named Steve and their business out of town for years.
- 5:37Speaker 3: Not long after Leon's murder, Steve and Steve, inspired by
- 5:41Speaker 3: Anthony and johna Latino's coffee shop I spoke of on
- 5:45Speaker 3: Part one, opened up a deli in Brownwood like mister
- 5:49Speaker 3: Anthony's Holy Grounds, Steve's Market and Delhi was a place
- 5:53Speaker 3: where anyone was welcomed, no matter who they were, so
- 5:56Speaker 3: long as they were not driven by hate. Steve even
- 6:00Speaker 3: Steve saw their fair share of hateful obstacles while growing
- 6:04Speaker 3: their business. But they are not folks who tuck their
- 6:07Speaker 3: tails and run. Steve Harris in two thousand and one
- 6:11Speaker 3: went after a local radio host and councilman who used
- 6:14Speaker 3: hateful language against gay folks on air. When the radio
- 6:18Speaker 3: station received complaints, they apologized for using the language, but
- 6:24Speaker 3: city councilman Ed McMillan, who regularly called into the show,
- 6:28Speaker 3: offered a six pack of beer if the radio talk
- 6:31Speaker 3: show host said the derogatory word again on the air.
- 6:36Speaker 3: Steve told me a little bit about the attitude in Brownwood.
- 6:40Speaker 1: I was born in Brownwood, but I was not raised here,
- 6:43Speaker 1: and that's why I can see it for what it is.
- 6:46Speaker 1: I believe I don't see it when rose collar classes.
- 6:49Speaker 1: I came here frequently growing up during the summer because
- 6:53Speaker 1: my mother's parents lived here. This town has had a
- 6:57Speaker 1: history of intolerance and hatefulness, not only from political leaders
- 7:02Speaker 1: radio talk show hosts. You know, there were gay and
- 7:05Speaker 1: lesbian brothers and sisters and family members that were literally
- 7:08Speaker 1: being attacked, and no one was lifting a finger to
- 7:11Speaker 1: help them. No one was speaking out on their behalf.
- 7:14Speaker 1: If anybody was doing anything, it was all closeted because
- 7:17Speaker 1: there was no one speaking out against the hate radio
- 7:20Speaker 1: and hate speech. And that radio station had all the
- 7:23Speaker 1: major players advertising on it, you know, so it was
- 7:26Speaker 1: community supported hate radio, is what I called it. It
- 7:30Speaker 1: helped create an environment of intolerance. And there's good bad,
- 7:35Speaker 1: and there's ugly everywhere, but in rural, small town America,
- 7:39Speaker 1: it's very personal because you know typically the players involved.
- 7:44Speaker 1: You know who your judge is, you know who your
- 7:46Speaker 1: county attorney is, you know who your sheriff is, you
- 7:49Speaker 1: know who your police chief bills, you know who your
- 7:51Speaker 1: police officers are, you know community members, and so you
- 7:56Speaker 1: take it much more personal when you have all the
- 8:00Speaker 1: hate around you.
- 8:02Speaker 3: He went on to say that there are some of
- 8:04Speaker 3: the best people he's ever met in Brownwood too, and
- 8:07Speaker 3: there's no doubt that's true. But there are further examples
- 8:11Speaker 3: of bigotry. In twenty seventeen, two young Brownwood men, when
- 8:16Speaker 3: on a vandalism spree in nearby early on homes and vehicles.
- 8:22Speaker 3: Twenty one year old Matthew Allen Keith and twenty two
- 8:25Speaker 3: year old Jesse Rodriguez spray painted racial and homophobic slurs
- 8:30Speaker 3: on homes and vehicles.
- 8:31Speaker 4: There.
- 8:32Speaker 3: They blamed alcohol, and some local news outlets declined to
- 8:36Speaker 3: mention the bigoted nature of the graffiti in their news
- 8:39Speaker 3: stories about the incident. The bigotry displayed by Councilman McMillan
- 8:45Speaker 3: wasn't the only example of such behavior by city officials.
- 8:49Speaker 3: Other disturbing incidents of intolerance were reported upon as recently
- 8:54Speaker 3: as twenty twenty two. At ten thirty am on April
- 9:09Speaker 3: twenty eighth, twenty twenty two, the Pride of Texas Filmfest
- 9:14Speaker 3: director Brock Cravy entered the Brown County slash City of
- 9:18Speaker 3: Brownwood Law Enforcement Center. The Pride of Texas Film Festival
- 9:23Speaker 3: was a planned LGBTQ plus film festival set to take
- 9:27Speaker 3: place in Brownwood, which was to be the smallest town
- 9:31Speaker 3: in Texas to host a Pride event. Cravey was to
- 9:35Speaker 3: meet with Chief of Police Educating to discuss safety measures
- 9:39Speaker 3: for the upcoming event, which was going to be that June.
- 9:43Speaker 3: After introducing himself at the visitor's window and having a seat,
- 9:47Speaker 3: Cravey said he overheard the folks behind the counter saying
- 9:51Speaker 3: in loud voices some disturbing things. We will not accept them.
- 9:57Speaker 3: Cravey heard, and where does he think he is? According
- 10:01Speaker 3: to Cravy, after one woman attempted to quell her coworker's
- 10:05Speaker 3: bigoted statements by saying we aren't to judge them, another
- 10:10Speaker 3: woman replied, it's our job as Christians to correct them.
- 10:14Speaker 3: They must be corrected. She apparently repeated this several times.
- 10:20Speaker 3: The Dallas Voice reported that Cravey's statement included the following quote.
- 10:25Speaker 3: A public servant, a member of law enforcement made a
- 10:29Speaker 3: statement about me that implied that killing me and hurting
- 10:33Speaker 3: me was an option. I've never been more frightened in
- 10:36Speaker 3: my life. End quote. The Brown County Sheriff's office is
- 10:42Speaker 3: reluctant to call leon Lorellis's murder a hate crime. Their theory,
- 10:47Speaker 3: at least the theory they seemed to be selling the public,
- 10:51Speaker 3: is one that we've been told they often turned to.
- 10:54Speaker 3: Some said that leon Lorellis had begun hanging around a
- 10:57Speaker 3: group of guys known around Brownwood and Brown County as
- 11:01Speaker 3: the Northeast or sometimes called the North Side Posse or
- 11:05Speaker 3: the Brownwood Mafia. There were three families consistently involved in
- 11:10Speaker 3: this group, though we will not be disclosing the names.
- 11:14Speaker 3: First off, it's unlikely Leon was hanging around these guys.
- 11:19Speaker 3: This group of men, we were told, wreaked havoc on
- 11:22Speaker 3: the city of Brownwood in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties.
- 11:27Speaker 3: Their pleasure apparently was inflicting pain and fear on others
- 11:32Speaker 3: whoever they chose on a given night to terrorize. They'd
- 11:36Speaker 3: corner off the city's main drag where folks cruised on
- 11:39Speaker 3: weekend nights. It's said the Northeast would box in someone
- 11:44Speaker 3: in their vehicle, pull them out, and beat them. No
- 11:48Speaker 3: one we were told, ever, really knew why they'd show
- 11:52Speaker 3: up at house parties slinging around guns, and when the
- 11:55Speaker 3: police were called, somehow avoided consequence. We are told. That's
- 12:01Speaker 3: about the extent of the information we could gather on
- 12:04Speaker 3: these guys as far as their activities are concerned. We
- 12:09Speaker 3: reached out to many folks hoping to get more, but
- 12:12Speaker 3: apparently the Northeast still inspire enough fear in the hearts
- 12:16Speaker 3: of the residents of Brownwood to keep them from talking. Now,
- 12:20Speaker 3: if Leon was indeed hanging around these individuals, it doesn't
- 12:25Speaker 3: make a lot of sense given his character, unless somehow
- 12:29Speaker 3: he was not aware of their violent activity. According to
- 12:33Speaker 3: everyone who knew him well, Leon did not lead a
- 12:36Speaker 3: high risk lifestyle. The Brown County Sheriff's Department seems to
- 12:41Speaker 3: lean toward the theory that Leon Lorellis saw some sort
- 12:44Speaker 3: of criminal activity he shouldn't have and was silenced as
- 12:48Speaker 3: a result. There was at least one incident days before
- 12:52Speaker 3: Leon was slain that potentially backs up that theory.
- 12:57Speaker 4: I know that two days before this happened, he told
- 12:59Speaker 4: his sister that there were some people that were mad
- 13:02Speaker 4: at him and wanted to hurt him, but he didn't
- 13:05Speaker 4: know why. But you know, she didn't really ask him
- 13:10Speaker 4: anything further than that, so he I think he was
- 13:14Speaker 4: aware that, you know, somebody was after him or something.
- 13:19Speaker 3: Then again, that could back up many theories. There's another
- 13:24Speaker 3: concerning the northeast. A coworker said they'd been going into
- 13:28Speaker 3: the Kroger where Leon worked and stealing merchandise. One night.
- 13:33Speaker 3: According to the coworker, Leon stood up to them and
- 13:36Speaker 3: told them he'd call the cops if they continued to steal.
- 13:40Speaker 3: A petty reason to commit a murder, but perhaps it
- 13:43Speaker 3: was just fuel for the already burning fire. Yet another
- 13:48Speaker 3: theory involving the Northeast exists, one that backs up the
- 13:53Speaker 3: notion that Leon's murder was the result of a hate crime.
- 13:57Speaker 3: Arlene has received multiple calls and email from folks saying
- 14:01Speaker 3: they heard one member of this group bragg at parties
- 14:04Speaker 3: about killing Leon, saying that he killed Leon because Leon
- 14:09Speaker 3: was quote fucking my brother. The people who reported this
- 14:14Speaker 3: to Arlene also said they reported it to the Brown
- 14:16Speaker 3: County Sheriff's office, but never received a follow up call.
- 14:23Speaker 3: Days before the release of our original part one, in
- 14:26Speaker 3: May of twenty twenty one, Arlene's cousin came to her
- 14:30Speaker 3: with something she'd never heard before.
- 14:33Speaker 2: I did have an interesting call the other day from
- 14:36Speaker 2: a cousin, my mom's second cousins and my third cousin
- 14:40Speaker 2: that was about the same age as Leon, and I mean,
- 14:45Speaker 2: I haven't seen him like in twenty years or whateverybody
- 14:48Speaker 2: called me and said that he had some information for
- 14:51Speaker 2: me that he's tried to tell the police, but nobody
- 14:55Speaker 2: ever listens to him. And he said that he had
- 14:59Speaker 2: just gotten out of jail and he was at a
- 15:01Speaker 2: halfway house in Brownwood, like sixty days prior to this happened,
- 15:05Speaker 2: so him and Leon would hang out. Sometimes Leon would
- 15:08Speaker 2: go visit him at the halfway house. And one day
- 15:10Speaker 2: he was driving down past Kroger where Leon worked and
- 15:13Speaker 2: saw Leon's car across the street, so he pulled into
- 15:17Speaker 2: the parking lot. He said, he thought it was like
- 15:19Speaker 2: a hasting store at the time, but we're not sure.
- 15:22Speaker 2: But he asked Leon, what are you doing? And Leon said, well,
- 15:25Speaker 2: I'm waiting for my girlfriend to come out of work. Girlfriend,
- 15:29Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe just a friend. I'm not sure anyway,
- 15:32Speaker 2: So my cousin asked him, why are you parked out here?
- 15:35Speaker 2: Why aren't you parked at Kroger? He said because the
- 15:39Speaker 2: girl's dad is a highway patrol man and he doesn't
- 15:43Speaker 2: like Leon, and he told them he would kill him
- 15:46Speaker 2: if he ever saw him with his daughter. I was
- 15:50Speaker 2: like done, and like, why have I never heard this?
- 15:53Speaker 2: Why haven't you told anybody? And he said that two
- 15:58Speaker 2: investigators went to behalf of White House a day or
- 16:01Speaker 2: two after Leon was murdered and questioned him, and so
- 16:06Speaker 2: he told him about this, and they kind of just
- 16:10Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, okay, sure whatever. He's like,
- 16:14Speaker 2: I don't even know how they knew I was there
- 16:17Speaker 2: or why they were questioning me or anything. And I'm like,
- 16:22Speaker 2: who were they? He said, I don't know. They just
- 16:24Speaker 2: said they were investigators. They're not police. Like, it's not
- 16:28Speaker 2: the police that was investigating, because it was, you know,
- 16:32Speaker 2: out of city limits. It was the sheriffs and the
- 16:34Speaker 2: Texas Rangers that were doing the investigation on this. Well,
- 16:38Speaker 2: he doesn't know who they were. But a couple of
- 16:41Speaker 2: days before Leon was killed, he was driving again, because
- 16:45Speaker 2: you know, that's just what we do in small towns.
- 16:49Speaker 2: He saw Leon at the park talking to a man
- 16:52Speaker 2: in a red car, So you had to go a
- 16:56Speaker 2: little bit distanced in order to turn around because he
- 16:59Speaker 2: was going to go see Leon at the park. And
- 17:01Speaker 2: when he did that, the guy in the red car
- 17:05Speaker 2: was at the stop sign directly across the street from
- 17:08Speaker 2: where he was. At the stop sign, he said, he
- 17:11Speaker 2: pointed at the guy just to let him know, I know,
- 17:13Speaker 2: I see you, and you know, so they had to
- 17:17Speaker 2: go on. He drove forward, and again he had to
- 17:20Speaker 2: go a little ways in order to turn around. He said.
- 17:22Speaker 2: By the time he turned around because he was going
- 17:24Speaker 2: to follow the guy in the red car, that those
- 17:27Speaker 2: two investigators stopped him, but they only spoke to him
- 17:30Speaker 2: for a few minutes and let him go. So he
- 17:34Speaker 2: went back to the park and asked, then, who is
- 17:36Speaker 2: that guy? And Leon said, Oh, he's a doctor. He's
- 17:39Speaker 2: a friend of mine. He works at the hospital here.
- 17:43Speaker 2: He doesn't remember her name, though, so he said. He
- 17:47Speaker 2: tried to call the investigators many, many, many times. They
- 17:51Speaker 2: would not answer him. He would leave messages to have
- 17:54Speaker 2: them call him back, and they never returned his call.
- 17:57Speaker 3: There is a belief that because Leon wasn't completely out
- 18:01Speaker 3: of the closet, he used the term girlfriend instead of boyfriend,
- 18:06Speaker 3: and perhaps Arlene's cousin was mistaken about the friend being
- 18:10Speaker 3: the offspring of highway patrol. According to Texas Ranger Jason Say,
- 18:15Speaker 3: the main suspect in Leon's murder died by suicide years ago.
- 18:20Speaker 3: In twenty fourteen. The son of the man who was
- 18:23Speaker 3: sheriff at the time of Leon's death took his own life.
- 18:28Speaker 3: Ranger Say also suggested there were known witnesses, but said
- 18:33Speaker 3: they were intoxicated and could not remember anything. The theories
- 18:38Speaker 3: that can be reached from what Arlene's cousin told her
- 18:40Speaker 3: are numerous, and perhaps a big piece of the puzzle,
- 18:44Speaker 3: but apparently authorities did not seem receptive to the information.
- 18:49Speaker 3: Speaking of puzzles, that the cases a jigsaw puzzle with
- 18:53Speaker 3: multiple pieces. Is the Brown County Sheriff's department go to
- 18:57Speaker 3: line when speaking to the press about the murder of
- 18:59Speaker 3: life Leon Lorellis. That's what former Texas Ranger turned Brown
- 19:04Speaker 3: County Sheriff Bobby Grubbs called the case. In May of
- 19:07Speaker 3: two thousand and seven when he told the Brownwood Bulletin
- 19:10Speaker 3: that they had several persons of interest that they wanted
- 19:13Speaker 3: to either eliminate or move forward with investigating more closely.
- 19:19Speaker 3: They set all of that again in two thousand and eight.
- 19:22Speaker 3: Again we were told the motive the Brown County Sheriff's
- 19:25Speaker 3: Department likes the most is the Leon saw something he
- 19:29Speaker 3: shouldn't have and had to be silenced as a result. Motive.
- 19:34Speaker 3: We were also told that that particular motive, as well
- 19:37Speaker 3: as motives involving drug deals gone bad, are favorites of
- 19:41Speaker 3: area law enforcement, particularly when dealing with unsolved crimes. After
- 19:47Speaker 3: his autopsy and the subsequent reports were released, Leon's toxicology
- 19:52Speaker 3: screening came back clean, But then Texas Ranger Bobby Grubbs
- 19:57Speaker 3: had jumped the gun. Unclear why, but Leon's coworkers reported
- 20:03Speaker 3: that Ranger Grubbs came into the Kroger store in the
- 20:05Speaker 3: early morning hours after Leon was killed. As he questioned them.
- 20:10Speaker 3: He pushed the coworkers hard to corroborate some sort of
- 20:14Speaker 3: drug involvement in the crime, though again, no evidence that
- 20:18Speaker 3: proves or even suggests Leon was involved with drugs exists.
- 20:34Speaker 3: If there has been any progress made in the investigation
- 20:38Speaker 3: of the murder of Leon Larellis, the cops are keeping
- 20:41Speaker 3: it close to the chest, as they have kept virtually
- 20:44Speaker 3: every detail of the case from the get go. It's
- 20:48Speaker 3: unknown what happened to Leon's nineteen eighty eight black Ford
- 20:52Speaker 3: Thunderbird Arlene told us the question of the driver's seat
- 20:56Speaker 3: position is particularly relevant since Leon was a large man,
- 21:01Speaker 3: he drove with the seat all the way back and reclined.
- 21:05Speaker 3: Family does not know if the seat was in that
- 21:08Speaker 3: position after it was found burning, nor did they know
- 21:11Speaker 3: if the police took note of that, but the detail
- 21:14Speaker 3: is a crucial one. While it is unknown if Leon
- 21:18Speaker 3: drove his own car to his own slaying, it seems
- 21:21Speaker 3: perfectly clear that he was forced or tricked since he
- 21:25Speaker 3: didn't go into work at Kroger to tell them he
- 21:28Speaker 3: had something to do, and he'd either be late or
- 21:31Speaker 3: needed to skip his shift entirely. There is an incredibly
- 21:35Speaker 3: unfortunate belief by some members of Leon's family, as well
- 21:39Speaker 3: as Brown County locals, concerning the police's investigation. One of
- 21:44Speaker 3: Leon's relatives told us they disagreed with other family members
- 21:49Speaker 3: that Leon's murder has been covered up. He chalked up
- 21:52Speaker 3: the failure to solve the case as law enforcement's general
- 21:56Speaker 3: attitude toward it. The Brown County Sheriff's office was hesitant
- 22:00Speaker 3: to pursue the case aggressively, this family member said, perhaps
- 22:04Speaker 3: due to the notion that Leon's slang was a hate crime.
- 22:09Speaker 3: The fact that Leon was gay, this relative believes, was
- 22:13Speaker 3: enough for the Sheriff's office to work the case less
- 22:16Speaker 3: than diligently. Late Brownwood business owner and activist Steve Harris
- 22:21Speaker 3: believes that local law enforcement dropped the ball in Leon's
- 22:25Speaker 3: case and in other crimes in Brownwood and Brown County.
- 22:31Speaker 1: You'd almost have to be crazy to think that these
- 22:33Speaker 1: people would get justice. I mean, seriously, the only time
- 22:38Speaker 1: I've ever seen justice happen is when people rise up
- 22:41Speaker 1: and demand that bad apples be called out of the system.
- 22:46Speaker 1: And I spoke with the police lieutenant police chiefs the
- 22:50Speaker 1: other day about in another situation that's going on right
- 22:54Speaker 1: now in Brownwood, and he talked about how many bad
- 22:57Speaker 1: apples they've had to get rid of out of the
- 22:59Speaker 1: police department. There have been five different sheriffs in the
- 23:04Speaker 1: sheriff's department since Leon's murder. All of them, from what
- 23:08Speaker 1: I understand, val that it was important, you know, to
- 23:11Speaker 1: solve his death. Yet nothing, And again I'll say, I
- 23:17Speaker 1: believe the only way justice is going to come for
- 23:19Speaker 1: these victims in Brownwood, Texas, in Brown County, Texas is
- 23:23Speaker 1: for outsiders. Bring in the big guns, the federal, FBI,
- 23:29Speaker 1: and what other agencies can. I believe that's the only
- 23:33Speaker 1: way these victims are in this community, actually not only
- 23:37Speaker 1: the victims, but the families and the community are going
- 23:40Speaker 1: to get justice is by outsiders. I don't believe those
- 23:44Speaker 1: who are in the system here are capable or are
- 23:47Speaker 1: willing to get the justice. And I don't know how
- 23:51Speaker 1: long you have to wait, but when you have all
- 23:54Speaker 1: these murders on the books that are insolved, that are
- 23:57Speaker 1: twenty twenty five thirty years old. How long is a
- 24:00Speaker 1: community going to have to.
- 24:01Speaker 3: Wait lending credence to the notion of some sort of
- 24:06Speaker 3: cover up. Perhaps is the experience that private investigator William C.
- 24:11Speaker 3: Deer had when Leon's family hired him to work the case.
- 24:16Speaker 3: Deer is a relatively famous fixture in Texas, if not nationally,
- 24:21Speaker 3: for his work on several high profile cases, including the
- 24:25Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven poisoning murder of wax Museum heiress Patsy Wright,
- 24:30Speaker 3: his involvement with the exhumation of Lee Harvey Oswald's body,
- 24:34Speaker 3: and his own investigation into the murder of Nicole Brown
- 24:38Speaker 3: Simpson in California. Deer apparently began working on Leon Lorellis's
- 24:44Speaker 3: murder case and instead of answers, found nothing but a
- 24:47Speaker 3: tight lipped citizenry in Brownwood and what he called corruption
- 24:52Speaker 3: in area law enforcement. He quit the case as a result.
- 24:58Speaker 3: We reached out to William C. Deer, but didn't hear back.
- 25:03Speaker 3: It is known that Leon's Bell's Department store credit card
- 25:07Speaker 3: was used after his death, but by the time Sheriff's
- 25:11Speaker 3: Office investigators went looking for surveillance footage, there was none.
- 25:16Speaker 3: Even though Leon was known for his generosity, often buying
- 25:20Speaker 3: gifts for friends and even allowing them to use his
- 25:23Speaker 3: Bell's Department store credit card if they needed something. A
- 25:27Speaker 3: robbery motive alone doesn't make sense. Leon was a working
- 25:31Speaker 3: class guy. Even those who barely knew Leon were touched
- 25:37Speaker 3: by his kindness and moved to tears by his murder,
- 25:41Speaker 3: even after all this time. Like Steve Harris, I.
- 25:45Speaker 1: Hate that Leon didn't get to experience the love and
- 25:52Speaker 1: the relationship that I have been able to experience. For
- 25:58Speaker 1: whatever reason, that he was mark as a gay man
- 26:02Speaker 1: and he wasn't able to have that joy and to
- 26:06Speaker 1: have people that loved him surround him, and that I
- 26:10Speaker 1: have never really thought about it until now. That's heartbreaking.
- 26:15Speaker 1: That he was taken so young. It is heartbreaking. I
- 26:21Speaker 1: never haven't really thought about it in that way until now.
- 26:26Speaker 1: It's tragic, will matter, But when you reflect on your
- 26:31Speaker 1: life and you know of someone who was struggling but
- 26:37Speaker 1: yet was strong and is no longer with us, and
- 26:41Speaker 1: the possibility that he's no longer with us is because
- 26:43Speaker 1: he was strong and that was a threat to someone.
- 26:47Speaker 1: That's heartbreaking.
- 26:49Speaker 3: On May fifteenth, twenty twenty one, the day before the
- 26:52Speaker 3: original recording of this episode was released, Leon's niece and
- 26:57Speaker 3: best friend, Arlene, gathered family at the site where Leon
- 27:01Speaker 3: was killed. Family members emotionally and tearfully read poems they'd
- 27:06Speaker 3: written in tribute to Leon. The memorial was streamed on
- 27:10Speaker 3: Facebook Live and was both beautiful and devastatingly heartbreaking. There
- 27:16Speaker 3: have been celebrations of Leon's life every year since. In Brownwood.
- 27:22Speaker 3: The nonprofit Season of Justice helped Arlene get a billboard
- 27:26Speaker 3: up in high traffic areas around Brownwood from September twenty
- 27:30Speaker 3: twenty two to November of twenty twenty three. It's unclear
- 27:34Speaker 3: if the billboard generated any new leads. Someone in Brown
- 27:40Speaker 3: County knows what happened to Leon Lorellis, and how that
- 27:44Speaker 3: someone can see a family member in such pain and
- 27:47Speaker 3: not speak up is unconscionable. Leon's family is still in
- 27:52Speaker 3: brutal anguish over his death twenty nine years ago at
- 27:56Speaker 3: the time of this recording, His niece, Arlene, with whom
- 28:00Speaker 3: he was close, is desperate for answers, for at least
- 28:04Speaker 3: some ability to move forward by getting justice for her
- 28:08Speaker 3: beloved uncle Leon, her best friend, the gentle Giant. She's
- 28:13Speaker 3: made her life's mission to raise awareness and though it's
- 28:16Speaker 3: difficult emotionally. Arlene continues that mission today.
- 28:21Speaker 4: I don't understand how anybody could ever be mad at him,
- 28:25Speaker 4: let alone want to kill him. He was always buying
- 28:29Speaker 4: gifts for his friends, letting them know, use his bells,
- 28:33Speaker 4: card or whatever.
- 28:35Speaker 2: Taking him out to lunch. He was just always given.
- 28:39Speaker 4: Even though he didn't even have that much money, he
- 28:41Speaker 4: would spend it on everyone else.
- 28:45Speaker 2: That is the type of person he was, is very kind,
- 28:49Speaker 2: very trusting. Basically, I want people to know just what
- 28:53Speaker 2: a wonderful person he was, that he didn't deserve this,
- 28:57Speaker 2: and I'm begging people know anything to please speak up now.
- 29:03Speaker 2: My heart's being broken for twenty five years now. I
- 29:08Speaker 2: missed him all the time. They'll be like a song
- 29:10Speaker 2: or something that reminds me, or I'll make one of
- 29:13Speaker 2: his with recipes because I don't know if I told
- 29:15Speaker 2: you that, but he was an amazing cook. So I mean,
- 29:20Speaker 2: there's things that remind me, and it just it brings
- 29:23Speaker 2: me to tears every single time because I still miss him,
- 29:25Speaker 2: because I know that he would be right here next
- 29:28Speaker 2: to me, you know, playing with my grandkids if he could,
- 29:33Speaker 2: and he was always there for me.
- 29:36Speaker 4: He was there for everyone so the fact that somebody
- 29:39Speaker 4: could do this to him, I just don't understand, and
- 29:43Speaker 4: it's just left a big old.
- 29:45Speaker 2: Hole in my heart. You know, it's not going to
- 29:48Speaker 2: change anything if we find who did this, but I
- 29:51Speaker 2: feel like he deserves justice because he was an amazing
- 29:56Speaker 2: person and what they did to him was still wrong
- 30:00Speaker 2: and I need to pay for it. Everybody was deeply
- 30:04Speaker 2: impacted by it, and I think more so for my
- 30:08Speaker 2: uncle that he was living with, because you know, he
- 30:12Speaker 2: was used to seeing him there every day. I don't
- 30:16Speaker 2: know for a fact, but I feel like I'm the
- 30:18Speaker 2: one that has been impacted the most because I was
- 30:22Speaker 2: so close to him, and our family.
- 30:25Speaker 4: Is you know, we don't talk about feelings, we don't
- 30:29Speaker 4: talk about bad stuff, so we never really did talk
- 30:32Speaker 4: about it except for when I would, you know, ask
- 30:35Speaker 4: my uncle, has he had.
- 30:36Speaker 2: Any updates, have you heard anything, you know, stuff like that.
- 30:41Speaker 2: Now he only has a one brother and one sister,
- 30:44Speaker 2: which is my mom that's left in the family. So
- 30:48Speaker 2: I'm the one that's still here fighting fighting for justice
- 30:52Speaker 2: for him.
- 30:55Speaker 3: If you are able your presence at common Grounds Coffeehouse,
- 30:59Speaker 3: located at eight zero nine Main Street in Brownwood, Texas,
- 31:03Speaker 3: on May thirty first, twenty twenty five would be much appreciated.
- 31:08Speaker 3: Leon Lorellis's Memorial Party is a three hour event that
- 31:12Speaker 3: runs from eleven am to two pm that day. If
- 31:17Speaker 3: you have any information about the murder of Juan Leon Lorellis,
- 31:22Speaker 3: please contact the Brown County Sheriff's Office at three two
- 31:26Speaker 3: five six four six five point five one zero. We'd
- 31:31Speaker 3: like to thank the incredible folks who contributed to this episode, Arlene,
- 31:36Speaker 3: Steve Harris, and John O. Latino. Also be sure to
- 31:40Speaker 3: check out the podcast box in the basement for our
- 31:43Speaker 3: Len's very personal and moving episodes about Leon. If you'd
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