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Midday Missing - Manuael Molina _Tino_ · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: special guest. Today. Our special guest is Carrie during Midwey.
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  Speaker 1: She is the mother of Manuel Valentino, Frank Molina who
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  Speaker 1: goes by Tino, which I love that named Tino. And
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  Speaker 1: Carrie Santino went missing in April twenty eighteen in Catalina, Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: and Carrie is going to share with us more about
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  Speaker 1: Tino and his disappearance. So I am going to welcome
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  Speaker 1: Carrie to the stage. Hi Carrie, Hi, how are you?
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  Speaker 1: I am good? How are you today?
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  Speaker 2: Good? Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: No, I want to say thank you for coming on
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  Speaker 1: today and sharing Tino's story because we've had the pleasure
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  Speaker 1: of talking a couple of times, and I know you've
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  Speaker 1: talked with Amy what you have gone through. I will
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  Speaker 1: be honest. I thought I had heard all of the
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  Speaker 1: bonker bunny boiler crazy stuff that can go on with
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  Speaker 1: a missing person case or true crime in general. But
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  Speaker 1: I have to tell you Tino's gets right up there.
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  Speaker 1: There's some crazy people involved who need to step up,
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  Speaker 1: take accountability and do some talking right right, they do,
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  Speaker 1: they do too well. I want to first let you
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  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about Tino, what he was
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  Speaker 1: like growing up. And I am going to share the
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  Speaker 1: picture that you shared with me of you and Tino
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  Speaker 1: because I have to tell you it is absolutely adorable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The snapchat one so okay, that one when we
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  Speaker 2: lived in Catalina that we were moving to Willcox. So
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  Speaker 2: the night before our move Tina was going to stay
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  Speaker 2: in Catalina with his girlfriend and her family because they
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  Speaker 2: were having a baby. So we were moving to Willcox
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  Speaker 2: and we decided to have family barbecue and stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: the kids were showing me Snapchat. I kinda was familiar,
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  Speaker 2: but not really, and they were showing me all these
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  Speaker 2: crazy things and that one you remember, the dog wanted
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  Speaker 2: to put the ears on and then you like, you're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to stick your tongue out. At first I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know that, so I'm just opening my mouth and Tina,
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  Speaker 2: someone know, you stick your tongue out. Mom you So
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  Speaker 2: we were sticking our tongues out and then and doing it.
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  Speaker 2: It was just it was having to show me crazy
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  Speaker 2: little things on the computer, telephones, xboxes. He was all
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  Speaker 2: the kids helped me. But yeah, that was one of
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  Speaker 2: the last photos when we lived in Catalina with him.
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  Speaker 2: Not the last photo with him, but the last one
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  Speaker 2: in Catalina before we moved to Wilcox.
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  Speaker 1: So I will say Snapchat has so many adorable filters.
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  Speaker 1: I do them with my granddaughter. Sadly, there is a
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  Speaker 1: dark side to Snapchat that I've learned since covering true
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  Speaker 1: crime that I did not know about. Snapchat, but I
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  Speaker 1: still think it has some very cute aspects of it,
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  Speaker 1: and this is one of them. The little dog is
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  Speaker 1: just adorable to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He always had to like. So there's
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  Speaker 2: our kids. We have four of them, and they all
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  Speaker 2: had their own Xboxes and TVs in their room, and
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  Speaker 2: me and my husband had ours too, and we'd all
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  Speaker 2: wear those turtle beaches and we had the remotes and
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  Speaker 2: we would play Xbox game. It's like Call of Duty
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  Speaker 2: or whatever where you're you're all on your on a
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  Speaker 2: team together. And the the kids name, our name was
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  Speaker 2: the chum Clan, so we were the chump. Used to
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  Speaker 2: go in and you know those games and you just
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  Speaker 2: like you battle the other guys or whatever. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a military and you have the little guns
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. And I'm not very good. And Tino and
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  Speaker 2: the kids they were great.
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  Speaker 1: They could and it's shocking how they have adapted to
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  Speaker 1: technology and we're still trying to hunt and pack and
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  Speaker 1: figure it.
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  Speaker 2: Out looking up or looking down and I'm running. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't get it. Tino and his little character would
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  Speaker 2: always have to come over and save me, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't even blink my eyes would be water and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, Tino, I can't do this. He's like blink, mom, blink.
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  Speaker 2: You know. He was always they had to save my
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  Speaker 2: character more times than any I think I may have
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  Speaker 2: hindered them, but I was still part of their chunk plan,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: So, so tell us about some other favorite memories you
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  Speaker 1: have of Tino growing up.
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  Speaker 2: Growing up, Like when he was little, he was oh man,
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  Speaker 2: he was a daredevil. He had no fear for nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And my sister's son, Jeremy was in BMX, so Tinox.
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  Speaker 2: So Tino is like five, okay, and here's the little guy,
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  Speaker 2: and Jeremy's in BMX, and they wanted to go just
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  Speaker 2: ride the bike down the street to the end of
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  Speaker 2: the street and then they're supposed to come right back,
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  Speaker 2: and Tino's Jeremy's riding it, and Tino's on the back,
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  Speaker 2: standing on the pegs and holding on to his cousin,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And they go riding and instead of going straight,
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  Speaker 2: they veered to the left and they went down the
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  Speaker 2: other street. And my sister and are like, oh, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna walk down there. And see. So we're walking
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  Speaker 2: and we're like, man, it's taking them awhile, like what
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  Speaker 2: are they doing? Maybe Tino fell off or you know,
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  Speaker 2: something happened. And we get almost to where we could
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  Speaker 2: get the turn and see them, and here comes Jeremy pedaling, pedaling,
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  Speaker 2: but you don't see Tino's head anymore. You see his
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  Speaker 2: So they had stopped and Tino went upside down with
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  Speaker 2: his feet so he's standing like a handsad.
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  Speaker 1: With his hands on those pegs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like daredevil biking or whatever you wanted
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  Speaker 2: to call it.
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  Speaker 1: And there the crowd fel did you not have heart
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  Speaker 1: failure right then? Because I have two boys and I
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  Speaker 1: would have come on clue to see that.
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  Speaker 2: No, and you get you want to get mad, but
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  Speaker 2: they were so professional about it.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's like you don't want a dull as
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  Speaker 1: JT would say, they're sparkle, but.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, did you see me? Mom? And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I did, I did see you? But he was you know,
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  Speaker 2: we were all very close. We were a very close family,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, we were always doing things with my
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  Speaker 2: sister and our cousins and and everything. And then so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he was a dilla daredevil. And then one time after
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  Speaker 2: we moved here to Wilcox and Tino. Tino came to
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  Speaker 2: visit us to you know, check out the new house
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  Speaker 2: whatever and visit because it was our first time ever
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  Speaker 2: away from him, and so, uh they he came out.
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  Speaker 2: It was just him at that time, and there was
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  Speaker 2: this old, runny, beat it up picnic table out in
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  Speaker 2: the yard, and so the boys decided that they were
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  Speaker 2: going to paint it for me because there was a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of sitting out. I mean that old paint like
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  Speaker 2: rust probably had some lead, I don't know, but they
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  Speaker 2: took the paint and they they painted this picnic table
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  Speaker 2: and it was very pretty. I don't know if I
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  Speaker 2: send you that.
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  Speaker 1: Picture six hag you did, it was blurry when it
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  Speaker 1: came in on my end. I'm trying to see if
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  Speaker 1: I can get it while you're talking, because I wondered
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  Speaker 1: what that table was. I'm like, what is this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they painted that. So then they're painting it, and
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  Speaker 2: they even engraved it like their names and the dayt
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. And then afterwards I don't honestly, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think I started it, but I could have gotten a
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  Speaker 2: paint fight war, and we started flinging paint on each
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  Speaker 2: other and hitting each other with this very old paint
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  Speaker 2: and I think I sent you that.
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  Speaker 1: You did it small, but there it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have that table, I do. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of more faded. Arizona sun is not kind. But that
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  Speaker 2: we got in a paint fight over that during that
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  Speaker 2: and we had paint everywhere. We had it on ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: We got it on my mom's camper, her brand camper.
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  Speaker 2: She was not very happy, but she was okay with it.
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  Speaker 1: But but y'all had a great time right were.
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  Speaker 2: When I shouldn't say we, I should say me. I'm
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  Speaker 2: covered head to toe and paint. Tino, I think is
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  Speaker 2: the winner because if you look, he's got like three
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  Speaker 2: splatches of paint on him. But obviously he was better
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  Speaker 2: at than But we we had it all over and
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  Speaker 2: it was in our my mouth and it was it
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  Speaker 2: was fun. We had a total a good time that day.
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  Speaker 2: It was awesome. On a start.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to share the picture of I believe this is
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  Speaker 1: the photo with the paint all over them. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of small too, but uh, I'm like, they definitely got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of paint on themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, other can you see if you can see he
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  Speaker 2: got like two splotches where I got him.
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  Speaker 1: And that's it, and.
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  Speaker 2: Those are my favorite paints and everything. But I didn't care.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like, those are some memories that you
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  Speaker 2: have with your kids that you'll never forget, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And just I.
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  Speaker 1: Will say, looking at grandma's trailer with all that paint,
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  Speaker 1: I really hope that paint came off.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the mild side of her trailer. But
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  Speaker 2: she we did get it off the windows for her.
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  Speaker 1: We did, yeah, because I'm like, uh, that could be
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  Speaker 1: I could see some people being not real thrilled with
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  Speaker 1: that one, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well she was used to. She's been used to
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  Speaker 2: all the fun activities like that that we've had with
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  Speaker 2: the kids when growing up. Like we would do when
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  Speaker 2: we lived in Catalina and we had the yard in
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  Speaker 2: the house, we would have air sophomores with each other
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  Speaker 2: and would pick a team. It would be me on
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  Speaker 2: one team and Ed on the other. So there's an
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  Speaker 2: adult and my mom. She always lived with us, like
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  Speaker 2: in our own trailer on the same property, and she
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  Speaker 2: was the reloader, so she'd sit on the porch and
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  Speaker 2: everybody knew you can't shoot Grandma. They called her GiMA.
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  Speaker 2: Can't you just hand her your empty cartridges or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and she'll reload them. And so Tina and Ed always
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  Speaker 2: always on the same team, and me and the other
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  Speaker 2: three kids were on a team. And even though we
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  Speaker 2: had the numbers, we could never beat them because they
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  Speaker 2: they went in the house and made it like they
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  Speaker 2: literally would pull the sofa and tip it up and
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  Speaker 2: barricade the doors, barricade the sun roofs like, and one
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  Speaker 2: of them you could come in like, you could come
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  Speaker 2: down and come in the house and they would barricade everything.
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  Speaker 2: We had no chance. Me and the other three had
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  Speaker 2: no food chain to outwit, you know. And ever he was.
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  Speaker 2: They were good. But so my mom was used to.
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  Speaker 1: She was used to that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because we were, you know, a family. We
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  Speaker 2: always played together. They were our kids were like our besties,
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  Speaker 2: our best friends.
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  Speaker 1: Say. The only thing we ever did is my husband
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  Speaker 1: made marshmallow guns out of PBC pipes and we had
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  Speaker 1: marshmallow contests. You would put them in it and you
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  Speaker 1: would blow on it and you would shoot the marshmallows
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  Speaker 1: out at each other.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't think, wen, we didn't think.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't do pay. We did marshmallows because I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to have to clean up a big mess. The
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  Speaker 1: marshmallows weren't enough for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that.
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  Speaker 1: So now I know. You know, Tina went missing in
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  Speaker 1: April twenty eighteen. What was his life like like right
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  Speaker 1: before he went missing? Was there anything unusual going on
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  Speaker 1: or in anything in his life that he was concerned
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  Speaker 1: about or that you were concerned about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, see, he was. He wanted he wanted to move.
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  Speaker 2: He was planning on moving here to Willcox with us.
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  Speaker 2: He at the time of his disappearance, he had a
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  Speaker 2: girlfriend that he was on again off again with, not
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  Speaker 2: the same one that he has a child with. They
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  Speaker 2: had the one he had a child with. They had
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  Speaker 2: split up and he wanted to get back with her
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  Speaker 2: and work and make things right with her. And he
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  Speaker 2: knew the only way to do that was to leave Catalina.
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  Speaker 2: There was just too much going on out there. But
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  Speaker 2: he had gotten with this other girl, Kayla, and had
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  Speaker 2: been staying with her and her mother and her little brother.
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  Speaker 2: And he he told me, you know, we had been
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  Speaker 2: talking for months about him coming to Willcox and living
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  Speaker 2: with us, and you know, we'd build an apartment or
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  Speaker 2: something on the property in him and he wanted to
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  Speaker 2: make it right with you know, her son and his
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  Speaker 2: son's mother. And he said that, you know, he just
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  Speaker 2: he had court in April, so he said it would
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  Speaker 2: have to wait until after court to see how that
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  Speaker 2: would go, and that he wanted to permanently leave Calea
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  Speaker 2: and get away. They'd been on again, off again. She
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  Speaker 2: was she was kind of I don't know. She had
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  Speaker 2: a lot of drama with her and her mom, who
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  Speaker 2: he would tell me that they were just between the
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  Speaker 2: two of them, they weren't. It wasn't happening. Really. They're
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  Speaker 2: very crazy to him, and he wanted out, but he
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  Speaker 2: had felt bad if he left because of the little
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  Speaker 2: brother who was like thirteen at the time, thirteen maybe fourteen,
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  Speaker 2: her little brother, Jesse, because he felt like he would
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  Speaker 2: be leaving him in this household of these narcissistic women
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  Speaker 2: who you know, are just in his word, they were crazy.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, mom, they're crazy, like you don't even understand,
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  Speaker 2: like they make.
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  Speaker 1: He cared enough about that little boy to want that.
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  Speaker 1: That says a lot about his personality and who he
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  Speaker 1: was as a person. In my opinion, that says a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Because and you know, I I did tell him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I get that you know, you feel bad, but he's
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  Speaker 2: he's not your responsibility to you know, your responsibility is
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  Speaker 2: you and your child and making it right with you know,
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  Speaker 2: your child's mom, and you know that's what it's going
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  Speaker 2: to have to be. Sometimes you have to leave situations
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  Speaker 2: that are bad like that. And so he had said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, after court in April, we would discuss things
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  Speaker 2: and get him brought here. And so I was okay
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  Speaker 2: with that, knowing that, Okay, at least we have a
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  Speaker 2: date because we knew when his court date was in April,
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  Speaker 2: So prior to the court date, you know, we would text.
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  Speaker 2: We probably wouldn't talk. We wouldn't talk every day, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It just sometimes it doesn't work out where you get
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  Speaker 2: to physically on the phone, but you you know, you
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  Speaker 2: communicate and all that. And sometimes because I knew some
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  Speaker 2: of the people from living out there weren't the greatest
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  Speaker 2: of people to be involved with or have friends with,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, like all those kids in Catalina, like
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  Speaker 2: my kids grew up with them kids, and some of
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  Speaker 2: them goose to go to the wrong path of life,
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  Speaker 2: and t you know, didn't want to go that route.
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  Speaker 2: Some of it he had gotten into. But he wanted out,
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  Speaker 2: and so I told him, you know, just the needed
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  Speaker 2: to come and court. He had gotten in trouble and
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  Speaker 2: that's why he had court and he knew he had
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  Speaker 2: done wrong and was gonna do what the court said.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought court was on April fourth. So April fourth,
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  Speaker 2: I called him and I was like, how did court go?
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, it wasn't today. It's on Friday. And
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  Speaker 2: I said, okay, I thought it. I thought it was today,
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  Speaker 2: and I would. I was trying to have a conversation.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, mama network and I was like, oh okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'll let you go. I don't want to get you
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  Speaker 2: in trouble. He's like okay. I was like, call me
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  Speaker 2: after court on Friday, and so he's like okay, love you,
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  Speaker 2: love you too. And then Friday rolls around and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't hear from him, and I thought, well, maybe he's
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: still at court. I don't know how long court's going
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: to be. And then I didn't hear all day, so
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I messaged him and I asked, you know, house court
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: and he said good, that he was at work and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: he would and for me to call him the next day,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: but not early because he would be working late, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I had a tendency to call them very early morning,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: you know, and you know, need to sleep in because
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: he works late. So that that was the last like
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: actual time that I physically talked to him was the fourth,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: but then the sixth and then ah yeah, and then
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: after that it was just text messages and things went
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: a little sideways from there. So I would I would
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: call and message him, and he really wasn't giving, like
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: like how is normal, you know, you learn the patterns
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: in the way that people, so it really didn't seem
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: quite like him. But I figured maybe he's stressed because
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: a court. Maybe he doesn't want to tell me something.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being too pushy about you know, okay courts
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: over come, move get away from those people.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Let's shirt life, you know, and you were doing what
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a mom does.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And he wouldn't respond, right, And then I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: just figured maybe that's him. And then I got a
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: weird snapchat from which was weird because we normally didn't
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: send messages through snap to each other. We would just text.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And I got a snapchat from him, and it was
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: a bad snap Like at the time, I did not
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I thought it. I thought it was Tino. At the time,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I now know that I don't. I don't believe at
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: all that that text on that snap was Tino. It
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: came across and it said some bad things, and I
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: was like, what the heck? And so I didn't send
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: a response on snap I went and I responded on
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the regular message and I was like, call me, like now, like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: what is going on? Why would you send me that?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: And I'm telling him call me, text me whatever. No response,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: no response. So I go and I talked to Ed
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't I don't understand what is this,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Like why would he do that? Like what is this?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: And his dad was like, Ed was like, just talk
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: to him and find out what he's doing. Why is
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: he posting that on Snapchat? So I hate and I'm
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: getting nothing, nothing, And then then I started getting sick,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: not necessarily from that, but I got sick and I
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: ended up in the hospital, and so I'm not doing
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of texting at that point because I'm I'm
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: look for the text because I thought it was, you know.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: And then I'm sick and now I'm in the hospital
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: here in Wilcox and they're running tests to see what's wrong.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: With me. So I'm like, okay, I got to take
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: a minute and just figure out what's wrong with me
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: so I can get better. And they do in all
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: these tests, and I'm in the hospital room and the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: doctors leave and my phone rings, and so I answer it. Now,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: mind you. I can't barely move. I can't even walk. Really,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I'm in a lot of pain, and they're trying to
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: figure out what's wrong. And I get this all and
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: its Tino's friend, Venise, this woman that he would go
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and stay with when things got too heated between him
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and Kayla. He would go to his house. That way
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: it would be calm, you know, right. She calls me
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and she's not so calm. She's in hysterics and she's like,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: where is Tino? What have you done with Tino? Like
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: where is he? And I'm like, wait, what what are
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you talking about? He's probably at work and she's like no,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: like I can't find him. He's not responding to my messages,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: he won't text me back. And I'm like, you know what,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I'm having the same problem with him, Like he's not
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: responding back to me. I explained to her about the
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: text that I got on the snapchat and like that
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: wasn't that didn't even remotely seem like him, Like I
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: don't know. I haven't been able to talk to him either,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and I said, and he won't return any of my
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: text messages and she's so then she she starts going
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: in hysterics and she's like he's missing, he's gone, he's gone,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: he's gone. And I'm like, look, Benise, I'm in the hospital.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go check out. I'm going to go home.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get ed and we're going to figure this out.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Like just give me a minute to get out of
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: his hospital. So I'm getting dressed and the doctors come
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: in and they're like, what are you doing. You need
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to be in bed. This is what we found. This
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: is what we need to do. And I was like, look,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I just got a phone call. My son is missing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I gotta go. I gotta real fast. Then I will
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: come back like I promised. I will come back as
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: soon as I get this handled. So I go home
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: and I tell ed and I'm like, the niece called me,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: this is what she's saying. I call her back. She
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: explains to me that there was some issues with some
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: of the people out there. So I start calling everybody
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: on his phone list because I had control. I wouldn't
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: say control. I had access to his phone because we
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: paid the cellphone right a year and a half earlier,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: when his child was born. I's how we got me
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to get him a brand new phone. He was like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: want better pictures of the baby, bumy. I bought a
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: really good phone at that time, the newest ones that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: they had, right, And so I had access to it
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: to him and all the kids, like I could see
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: their last location or who they texted, who they called,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you know, with Apple. And so I'm calling, I'm calling
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: people from his contact list, and I'm and I'm calling,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and everyone's just like, yeah, he's missing. This happened, This happened.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And I and I'm like, I don't understand, Like, I
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: don't understand what you mean. There was like a falling
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: out between him and Kayla. There was a falling out
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: between him and Cody Shape and all these other people,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: and it was just kind of a blur at that point.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And so I thought, you know what, I'm gonna call Kayla.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna call Kayla and find out what is going on.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So I call her and I say Hey, Kayla, how's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: it going. How are you a good? I'm good? Okay.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: How are you and Tino doing? You know, because I
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: knew that they always were fighting, so I'm playing, how
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: are you and Tino doing? She's like good. I said,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: where's Tino by the way, like where's the apt She's like, oh,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: he's not here right now. And that's when I lost
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: it and I said, I know he's not there. He's missing.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Everybody's calling me, everybody's telling me he's not missing. Where
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: is he? And then she starts, oh, I don't know.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I couldn't. I don't know. I tried to find him.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I've been looking for me and my mom and we
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: can't find him. And I said, what do you mean
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: you can't find him? Like what are you saying? And
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: she just start saying I didn't mean for this to happen.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean for this to happen. And I said,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: didn't mean for what? What are you talking about, Kayla?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: If something happened, why wouldn't you call me immediately? You
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: have call me and be like, hey, something happened. You
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: need to get to Catalina. Nothing. So then she starts
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: crying and I can hear people in the background, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I couldn't understand their words, you know. So she just
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: starts crying and saying, I didn't mean for this to happen.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean for this to happen. And I don't
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: know where he is. Hangs up on me. So I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: call her back like three times, no answer. So I'm like,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you know what, something something happened. That's when that that
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: feeling sinks in and you're like, something's off right now.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: One he's not responded to. The crazy girlfriend is now
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: saying she didn't mean for something to happen.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: She won't tell me what, and she told you everything
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: was fine in the beginning. She I mean saying, right.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Why would you say that right off the.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Bat we're fine? I would have been like, he's visit
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: week I you know, I would have been a blubbering mess.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Right, you would think that. So Ed and I decide,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: you know what, we're gonna go. We're gonna go to
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Catalina and we're going to talk to people. But before
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: we do that, I'm going to call the police because
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I need to get the police involved. There. Something happened.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what. All I know at this point
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: is that he's missing and he has no communication with anybody,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: although his phone was still on. So I'm trying to
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: find out like how to track the location, try to
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: do all that. So call the police. I'm in will Cox.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I call the police and they said that that I
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: couldn't do a missing person report. I could do like
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a well visit check up or whatever. He did an address.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, so I don't have the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: physical address, like, oh, their addresses one one, one whatever.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I just knew exactly where to go, the streets and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: where to go cat me. We're all, oh, I'm going
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: to house. Okay, I know where that's at, you know
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: what I mean. So I couldn't give an address to
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Kayla's house, but I mentioned Cody's shape because everybody kept
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: saying him and Tino had a falling out, there was something.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Kayla had also had said that her mom had taken
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Tino to Cody's house, but she couldn't couldn't give me
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the date either. She just said, my mom dropped him
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: off at Cody's house. So I'm talking to the police
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: on the phone and I'm like, you know, they're saying
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: that he was at Cody went to Cody's house, Cody
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Shave's house, and I say the name, and the cop
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: knew the new He knew who Cody Shave was, and
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: he knew who his mom, Pam was, and he knew
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: where that house was. So he said, I'll go over there,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I'll do a well check up, see if Tino's there,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and I'll get back to you. So I and I
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: are packing. We're packing fast because we're going to go
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: to Catalina. Right the police officer he calls me back
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: and he says he went over to the residence. The
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: gate was locked, it didn't look like anybody was home,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: but he called Cody's mom, Pam, and talked to her,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: and she had told him that Cody wasn't home right now,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: he hadn't been home for a couple of days, and
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: that she was no longer in Catalina, that she'd gone
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to California, and that she had no idea who Tino was.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: And I told him that's a lie. Like our kids
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: were up together like a lot. She knows who Cody
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: is or Tino is Cody either. They were friends growing up.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: You know, Cody was a couple of years younger than
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Tino and Tino. Cody would get picked on and Tino
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: would defend him, And I mean.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: She knew who you.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Growing up with there. All your kids know each other
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: out there, right, and so I mean they might not
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: know our names. Like they called me, you know's mom?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: That was my name? Right? So I knew that was
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: a lie, and I thought, all right, fine, something something's
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: really bad. We go to Catalina. First thing we do
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: is we go over to cody shaveshouse. We go over
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: there and it is like the officer said it was.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: The gate was locked. There was some stuff in the yard,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: but there wasn't anybody wasn't home and it was locked.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And so we were leaving and we're going to go
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: start going to Kayla's. We're going to start go and
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: talk to all these people again in person now. And
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: this guy comes up in a in a truck and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: an older guy, and I've never seen him before, and
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: he asked what we were doing over there, and I said,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for Cody to ask him where my son is.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Do you know Cody? And at that time that guy
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: said that he was a friend of Cody's mother and
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: he was going over to check on him. Because he
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: heard some things were going on and he wanted to
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: talk to him. And I said, well, I'm trying to
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: find Cody, to find my son because something happened. And
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the guy, it's the weirdest thing. The guy hands me
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: a little Bible and he says that he'll pray for me,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: and I need to pray for what's going on. And
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't watch your Bible. What are
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: you talking about? You're gonna I should pray about what's
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: going on? Like, what do you know that you're I know?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, why is he telling you you need to pray?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: What does he know?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Right? So I was like, I don't want your bible.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't take it. And we leave and he follows us,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and so we go to the gas station and then
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that's when he kind of leaves, so he stops following us,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: and I was like, that is really weird. Later we
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: find that guy is Yeah, so later we did. We
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: did find out, so, but before that we have no clue.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: We're just like, it's crazy. I go when I talk
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: to Kayla, I'm talking to everybody there. Kayla's telling me.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Now I'm at her house right and I'm talking to her,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and she's she won't she won't give me really much
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of anything other than that her mom took Tino at
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: about one thirty in the morning over to Cody's shaves
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and dropped him off because Cody would not stop calling
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Valentino's phone, blowing it up or whatever, telling him that
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: he needed to come and fix whatever happened between them happened.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And I said, well, what were you guys doing? And
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: she's like, we were just laying down together, relaxing and
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: having a night. And I said, why would he Why
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: would he decide to get up from you guys are
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: having a good time or whatever, get leave you at
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: one thirty in the morning and go over and handle
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: this at one thirty in the morning. And if and
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: if he was fighting with Cody, why might take him
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: over there and just drop him off? Why would you
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: do that? And and she was like, I don't, I
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: don't know, You'll have to ask my mom. Well, cool
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Cosey comes her mother, and her mother pushes Kayla back
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: into the house and kind of shoves me out, and
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, you're gonna You're gonna talk to me,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: like where where's Tino? Like what is going on shuts.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: The door wouldn't even answer after that, so they closed
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: it off to me right off the bat.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: So then we start that's not suspicious at all, is
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: it not at all?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: No? So then we go up and we start talking
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: to other people, and then they start telling me a story,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a story about Cody and Tino had this falling out,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: and somehow Cody is driving Cody's car and he hits Tino.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Tino didn't have a car. He hits Tino, Tino lived,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: put Tino in the car and took him out to
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the desert and buried him, killed him whatever. The story
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: story carries from person to person, whether he was hit
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: with the car or hit with the truck, the truck
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: being that truck that we went and saw over at
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Cody's property. That so then I asked, well, who's the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: guy let's go talk to him again. He offered me
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: a bible. Maybe he'll be a good person. Right, No,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that's Cody's dad, Arthur's shave No.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Oh shebang ben yeh he okay, hold on, let me
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: just make sure I understand this. So Cody's dad is
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the one who offered you a bible when you said
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you were looking for Cody and your son Tino. He
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: didn't volunteer and say, oh, Cody's my son, Tino and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: him No, I thing. He just offered you a Bible
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and to pray. Okay.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: He didn't even tell me his dad. He told me
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: he was a friend of Cody's mother.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Why would he just lie for Cody too?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Something happened with our kids, right, Nothing? Not that. So
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: we're talking to people and I'm still trying to get
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the police to get involved.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I said, say, have they fouled anything at this point?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: No, No, they wouldn't. So I'm calling and still calling,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: being like, look, I'm getting this information and I'm telling
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: them and they they they tell me someone will be
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: in touch. No one ever got in touch. It took
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: me finding Cody's car before the police would actually get involved.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And I found the car because one of his friends
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: or they're all interconnected, was like, yeah, his car broke
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: down after whatever happened, and he got it to the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Valero gas station and it's parked out there. So I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: went to the gas station. It's evening time on like
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the second day of us being up there, and I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: see the car and I walk up to the car
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: and the windshield had a hole in the center of
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the windshield. And so I'm telling it, I'm like, does
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: that look like maybe.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe the show like a head hit it or something.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It doesn't look I don't. Honestly, I can't tell you
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: what it looks like when a body car because I've
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: never seen that. But there was a hole in the
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: center of the of the windshield and it was pushing inward,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: like the glass wasn't coming out, it was like pushing in.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: So somebody from outside the car hit it to push
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: in or.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Something, because it was only a hole like this, So
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: maybe like either a baseball bat or something or something,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: because I kind of assumed if it was a body,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: it would have been more of a body imprint versus
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a hole.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: And so I call the police again and I'm like, look,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: this is what they're telling me. I have the car,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: this is where the car is. Okay, they say they're
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: going to send somebody. So we're waiting and waiting and waiting,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and then we notice the police officer pull in and
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: so we're waiting and I'm like, I'll just let him
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: get out and sang or whatever. Pully never gets out,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: so I tell it I'm going to go over there
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: and just let him know, like, hey, we're the ones
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: who've been calling, this is the car, this is what
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: we've been told. So I go over there and his
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: windows up, so I knock on his window, almost like
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: if a cop would knock on your window, right on
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: his window, and he rolls it down like this, and
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: he's like, how can I help you? And I said, well,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm Carrie. I'm the one who's been calling about
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: my son being missing and the car that you hit
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: him or whatever. And he didn't know anything about it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: He was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what do you mean, Like you
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: don't know what I'm talking about, Like I've been calling
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the police for several days now, trying to get someone
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: to come and talk to me and help me find
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: my son. And he didn't know. So he tells me,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: go back to your car. I'll call it in and
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: find out what's going on. And I'm like, this is weird,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Like I don't understand this. And then a couple more
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: police officers show up and show up and I'm like, okay,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: now they they've heard something something's happening car. They're gonna
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: tape it off. They're gonna do something because here's a
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: vehicle that possibly could have been used as a weapon.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Right right, I mean that makes sense to me. That
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: is a crime potential crime scene. And you want to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: write cordon off not letting him by touch it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Hey, Nope, they never They look at the car and
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: then they don't do anything else. So I walk over
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: there because I'm getna, I'm getting a little mad, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what's going I'm Carrie, I'm I'm Valentino's mother,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: you know what's going on. And they tell me go
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: back to your car and just wait, we'll be over
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: to talk to you. And they're kind of talking me
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: to me, and I'm like, all right, whatever. So I
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: go back there, and about twenty minutes later, one of
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the officers come over and he hands me a pamphlet
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and there's an incident number on it and on the
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: inside it has a phone number and he tells me,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: tomorrow morning call this number. We're gonna get someone assigned,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: you know, to talk with you, to the case or whatever.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And I said the case, Like, what do you mean
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: if there's an incident what is this? What can someone
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: explain to me? And right, that's all I can tell
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you is, you know you should leave. Go And I
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm not leaving. What are you gonna do
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: with the car? Like? What if someone comes and takes
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the car? We wait there, and that officer goes back
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: when we're waiting, and they're all just like they're not
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: even like doing detective work. They're just all standing over
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: there like visiting shit chatting. Yeah, so I go back
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: over there again. I'm like, Okay, what's going on? And
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I'm getting kind of mad, and I'm like, if someone
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: needs to explain to me, I don't understand. I have
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: an incident number. I need to know what's going on,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Like who am I calling this number in the morn
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: learning to an officer. One of the officers tells me
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: that I needed to calm down or I would be
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: arrested that I should It's just better if I just
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: leave the situation right now and just go back home.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, why would you get arrested for just asking questions?
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was because I had said, like in a
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: sharper tone. I was like, you know, I need to
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: know what's going on. But I mean I didn't curse
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: or anything.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Your child's missing. I mean, who wouldn't. I mean, I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: have to tell you I probably would have been arrested
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: then because I would have been just as bad, if
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: probably not crazier.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, thank god for my husband because he brings
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: me down.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you've got your I've got my double h
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: and he would he would bring me back to reality.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So did they take the car.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: No, they never did. So we did leave, but we
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: left and we parked up on the hill and we
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: watched the whole night in the truck to make sure
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: who was going to come and go to that car.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I can tell you to people come and go for
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: that car. You know, we watched people. I wrote it
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: down everything, but none of them were Cody. And then
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the next morning I called the number and they said
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: they were going to assign it to a detective and
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: that a detective would be in touch with me. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I told, you know, I had explained them. I said,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I'm in Catalina. We live in Willcox. I have my
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: other three kids at home. They weren't home alone there
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: with my mother. And he said, go home, check on
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: your kids, get everything, you know, whatever, and this new
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: detective will be in touch with you. Okay. I felt
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: a little better because I was like, all.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Right, fine, they're doing something.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Somebody's going to do something. And we did. It had
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: been like three days. We needed to get back home.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: So we go to the gas station to get gassed,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: and you know who pulls in Cody and.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: His dad or you know, friend of the mom, the
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: mother's So.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: They pull in and we're sitting in the truck because
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: we just filled up, and we're just watching him, and
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell? And they're trying to hook
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: up Cody's car because it's not running to his dad's
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: little truck to tow it away it away truck, and
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what this We're gonna end this.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: We're gonna We're gonna end this right now. I'm gonna
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: go talk to Cody. So I get out and I say,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I have my hands for All I said was Hey, Cody,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: where's Tino. He freaks, He jumps goes over. He my
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: husband had walked over too, and he bumped in into
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: my husband and all my husband said was hey, where's Tino?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Like that was it. He was really nice about it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Cody freaks. He starts yelling. His dad starts yelling at me,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: what are you doing to my son? I was like,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I just want to know where my kid is, Like,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: where's my son? And then he starts screaming.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Call the police, Call the police.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: She's gonna hurt my kid. And I was like, I
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: just want to know where my kid is. Your kid
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: hurt my kid? Like what are you talking about? And
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: then D's like carry stop. Look and we look and
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the whole gas station is full of people and they're
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: all looking somewhere on their phones, and I'm like, oh
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: my god, the cops are going to come and it's
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: going to be a bad thing. So it's like, you
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: know what, you need to tell me where Tino is.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And that's it. Like, that's it, it's all.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I need to know. Tell me where he is, and
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: you can go about your life.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: So he gets his son and is truck and they
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: leave and then they come back and they're trying to
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: get the car, and that was a big ordeal. But
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Ed is like, we got to go. We're going to
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: do with the police on the phone told us, and
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: we're going to take the proper steps to do this. Okay, Fine,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: we do that, we go home, we check on our kids.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: We're having to explain to them, you know, something happened
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: with your brother. We haven't you know. My one son
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: was like, well did you find him? Did you bring
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: him home yet? Like he was going to move. So
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: we're having to deal with a lot of their emotions too.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: And then finally the detective that got assigned the case
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: was a homicide detective for the Pema County. I guess
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: they Pema County, I guess doesn't have like a missing
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: person's division.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: A lot of counties don't.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they should, because we have a sitting
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: people like I didn't so big until my own son
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: went missing, Like you.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Don't and most people don't. I I have goosebumps now
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: because then numbers are astonishing, and it's.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Every day more and more. It's horrible. They should have
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: their own assigned because you're going on a missing person case.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: You're hoping that it doesn't turn into a homicide. But
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: you have the homicide detectives now working your missing person's case,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: which seems strange to me. So we go back to
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Catalina because I got to meet with the detective and
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: there was two detectives, and we met with him and
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: her and then she she said that he he was
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: going to be the detective on the case. Kirk Dap
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: was going to be the detective on the case, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: that's who I would deal with. And I told he asked,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you know, are you going to be in town? And
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I said, yes, you know, I don't live here. I
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: live in Wilcox, but we're going to stay this time.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: We got a hotel room instead of sleeping in the truck.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: We're like, we got a hotel room. This is where
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: we're at. We're still going to be doing you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: we're going to set up flyers. We're going to all
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: that and try to look for them. And so I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: meet with Kurt Dab at their like little substation that
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: they have out there, and we go over things and
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I give him all the information from you know, the
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: previous five days and everything prior to that, basically for
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the whole month of April now, and so this is
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: like April twenty first, mind you, Okay, so it's been
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. Yeah, So I'm giving him everything
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: that I have. I wish I would have kept copies
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: for myself, because.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Well, you were trusting that they would do I would.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: So I'm giving him everything and I'm like, look and
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I'm telling them we can go and do this, like
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: you can go and talk to to Kyle because you
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: shut the door on my face. She won't talk to me.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: She can't shut the door on you. You're an officer, right,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: So that was another mistake. So he he calls me
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: back on the twenty first, and when we're talking in
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: after we talk, that's when he calls me back and
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: he's like, we're gonna make Tino an official missing person
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: And I said, oh great, and he's like, we're going
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to do it from the seventeenth, So they're going to
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: go like backdated to when that was the day. And
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I found that very weird because the seventeenth is when
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: we had initially gone to Catalina, when when they told
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: me they would arrest me that night that that was
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the seventeenth yea, So.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: They didn't backdate it till the last time someone saw him.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: That someone kept pushing and pushing the police. Yeah, so
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: we I felt like a little bit better. I was like,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: all right, the detectives have everything that I mean, we've
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: got a file, everything, they're gonna they're gonna work it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: We're gonna go home, We're going to start. I'm going
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: to start going there. You know, people are in my
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: town talks didn't know Tino because we had we were
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: so but I did feel that flyers needed to be
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: posted in the vicinity where Tino was, where the people knew.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: So makes sense to go back like every weekend and
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: post flyers. And I would still talk to more and
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: more people, and I would gather up more and more information.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: In the meantime, people would call me on my phone
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: and this is that they would tell me in different
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: ways killed Tina, different ways, you know, Oh he was
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: he was with Kayla at this party and they got
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: an argument and some guy who liked Kayla shot him
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: in the chest, shot him in the bag, be death,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: all these different things, and I was like, this is disgusting,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Like and I would tell the I would call it
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: and tell the detective. And it got to the point
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: where I was like, you know what, I know, the
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: detectives don't believe me.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I recorded the conversations. Anyone that called my phone, you
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: were being reported.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: That's legitimate my view, right.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: And so I'm recording having all these calls reported, and
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: and this whole time, Kayla's still not wanting to talk
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Cody Shave, did she talk to the police.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she did, she did, and she That's that's how
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I learned. Months later, Kayla was bragging two people, Cody Shave,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: to other people out there that the detective on the
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: case was helping her and her mom, Fine Tino, and
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: doing everything he could for them, and he was just
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: this great, wonderful help to them.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: And I said, she didn't report him missing, That's what
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I said.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I said, And why would this detective be doing that
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: for you? Why for you? And that's when she tells
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: me because years prior, years prior, like she's a little
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: kid at this time, years prior, like ten, twelve years prior,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: her mom was married to this guy who took Kayla
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: and her little brother, Jesse and did some really bad
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: things to them, beat them and other things, and the
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: police got involved, and it just so happened that the
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: officer that responded twelve years later now is the detective
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: of theation working my son's case. So he had you
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: could call it relations or whatever, that's a connection.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: That's I mean, in most places you would have to
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: remove yourself because that could be a conflict of interest
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: in my view. Now, did Kayla and Cody know each
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: other well?
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Very well?
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: So they all knew each other. They were all friends,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: so it was like a group of friends.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: The only new players on the board after doing our
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: investigation and talking to people, some new people that we
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: didn't really know of, was a girl named Jamie Lynn.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: And Jamie Lynn and Kayla knew each other. They hated
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: each other because I guess Tino was dating one and
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: the other.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: He's can call emails, I mean he's he was what
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: twenty something, I mean, yeah, And that's just what they do.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just what they That's just what they do. Now,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: you said, Cody talk to you. What did Cody say
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: to you?
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Cody said, called me a few names and told me
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I needed to back off. And I said, back off what, Cody?
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: But what am I backing off of? I needed to
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: stop trying to find Tino and I needed to leave
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Kayla the bleep bleep alone and stop harassing her. And
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: was saying things like that. So then I'm getting mad.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, oh, I'm done done.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: So why if you know what was his thought, Why
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: would a man stop looking for their child just because
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: he said so he thought you should get out of
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: his way.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he called me a few choice names and
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: like telephone tough guy, like oh, when I see you, I'm.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Gonna sounds like his dad needs to pray for him.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I think so. I think I actually probably mentioned that
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: a couple of times to him. But and I told him,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not gonna ever back down. I said,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: the only way that I will ever back down from
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: you or from anybody is if I have my son back.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: That is the only way I'm you all along. So
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: he didn't like that. And I mean pictures of conversations
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: him and Kayla had on the text. He would send
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: them to me, and I didn't know. I didn't understand why.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I still don't. It would just be her basically saying, Cody,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. I'm so sad. You
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: know's mom is blaming me. She says, what does it
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: have to do with anything? Just tell me where he was,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: tell me what happened to Tino, Tell me where we
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: At this point, even the detective did have some communication
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: with me, and he he was like Carrie we know
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: something bad happened. That is why they put his disappearance
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: as suspicious circumstances.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Now, was Cody going out and putting flyers up? Was
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Kayla out putting flyers up trying to help?
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: No? None of them, nobody, none of them.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna say once again, guys, it makes them
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: look even more suspicious because I'm a firm believer if
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you had nothing to do with it, you are going
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: to be helping. And why be confrontational, because just like
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: when a wife goes missing, everybody knows the first person
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you're going to look at is the husband or the boyfriend,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: and they're going to grill you. They are going to
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: put you through hell so that they can eliminate you. Right,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Why does Cody and Kayla not understand? You're just asking questions? Yeah,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: and want to know now, And I shouldn't say this
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: is good news, but I am going to say it's
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: good news in my book. Cody is currently not a
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: free person. Right.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: No, it's not not not because of not because of Tino.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Not because of Tino.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: No, but I I still, like I said, I can't
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: say that I'm always a great person, but I believe
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: he should be. Now what is he in jail for
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: this time?
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Uh? Huh? This one I believe is aggravated, do you
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I okay? And things like that. This is actually the second.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Did you say this time? So he's he's a repeat offender.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So eight months before Tino went missing, he and
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: these two other guys. I don't know if I should
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: do my live stater so.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I w I wouldn't say their names just they don't
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: have anything.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Everyone out there knows, well, those three took this young
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: boy who was sixteen or seventeen out to the desert,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: pistol whipped him, stripped him naked, and left him thinking
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: he was dead. Why the boy didn't die, thank God?
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: And he ends up walking down the road of you know,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: no clothes on because they took his clothes and gets.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: So why was Cody not in jail for that?
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: He ended up going to jail about Oh so he
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: was out. Yeah, eight months after, you know, goes missing
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: and you know, he gets arrested with his dad at
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: a golf course. They're playing putt putt or whatever, and
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the cops arrest him there for this charge on this
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: young boy. And he goes to prison for like a
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: year and a half on that one, he gets out,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: and then he's been in prison on this second charge
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: for aggravated DUI high intoxication something like that, and he's
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: currently locked up again until December.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: So he only got a year and a half for
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: pistol whipping a minor, stripping him of his clothes, thinking
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: he's dead, and leaving him in the desert, and he
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: got a year and a half.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And so I've always thought, well, that was
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: his first time doing something disgusting to another human being,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: and then obviously with Tino, maybe something along those lines
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: happened him and these friends or other friends or Kayla
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: and whoever they got. I don't like to say it,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: but they got smarter, like we just won't let the
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: body be able to walk down or and so that
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: kind of bothered me a lot because but I'm glad
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: that that other kid his family isn't going through, but
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I wish that my son would have been able to
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: come out of the desert, you know.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Right, No, I and I'm not gonna share it because
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't download it because I was a run out
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: of time. But you were doing something that I think
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: is very admirable. And I can tell you if my child,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: my grandchildren ever go missing or someone I love. I
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: love what you're doing and I am going to share
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: with everybody and I will put it in the comments.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: You are mailing Cody while he's in prison. You're mailing
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: him a flyer I am. And what does that flyer say?
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: It just lets him know that I haven't forgotten and
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: that it has Tino's picture, and and it just tells him,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: you know, you can still do the right thing. I'm
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: sure here. And it just tells them. It doesn't have anything,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: it's not threatening. It just says you can still let
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: us know where his body is. You can make an
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: anonymous tip with the Week can bring you Hope agency,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: and it has their phone number. And then I say
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: on it that it's never too late to do the
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: right thing. All we have ever wanted was Tin back.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: That's it. And you know, maybe he just needs a
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: few reminders, I'm hoping.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: And if you do Cody have children.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Supposedly, yeah, what about Kaylee? Well, all a lot of
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: them do, Kayla does, Jesse does a lot.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Of them, and they can't put their self in that
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: position that what if this was your child?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: They they don't. They don't for them. I think in
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: cases like this, it's easy for the guilty because they
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: don't have every day, you know what I mean, They
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: don't have to pick up every day and wonder.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I just put in the comments the address for Cody
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: in prison, and I am going to share when we finish,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I am going to share the exact flyer that you
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: sent me that you're sending to Cody, and I want
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: to challenge any of our you know, listeners, viewers because
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I will be doing it. I'm going to also print
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it off and probably print off a couple of copies
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: and also drop them in the mail to him, and
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: maybe if everybody sends him a copy, just maybe it'll
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: get through his thick skull that you need to do
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the right thing. Now, you mentioned the organization Hope. Tell
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: me about that organization. That is not one I had
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: heard of.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: So I you broke up? I'm sorry.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Is it Hope? Is that the name of the foundation.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: We can bring you Hope? Agents, we can.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Bring you Hope. How did you find them?
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: They found me And when it very first went when
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: all this was going down, they contacted I didn't know
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: agentsies like the existed, and they contacted me and someone
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: had contacted them, I guess, and told them that I
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: could use help in finding And I don't even I
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: don't even remember who gave them that. I just know
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: that right from the very beginning they have been with me.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: They're the ones when we would go hang up flyers.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: They're the ones who make the flyers. You'll see it
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: like on my Facebook and stuff. They're they're the ones
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: who helped make the they make them, and they have
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: their information. And because a lot of the people say,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: you know why, I'm not going to drop my name.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say my name. Okay, Well they
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: have an anonymous tip line. You don't have to give
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: your name. Nobody you by Dakody and Detail and all them.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: You could be literally the one who ended his life
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: and you go say, hey, this is where Tino is buried,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: or this is where his body is. You don't even
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: ever have to tell me who you are. You just
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: have to tell us that that's it, right, you know.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: And what I'm learning is that a lot of times
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: they don't want to do that because they're learning that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: they probably left evidence behind. But I also hope they
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: realize that evidence isn't going to go away. It's going
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: to stay there. So even if his remains aren't found
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: for a while, it's still going to be there. So
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: they could either step up and do the right thing
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: and beg for mercy on the court, or they can
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: wait and it's going to be ten times it's worse
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: for them.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Is there any updates from law enforcement on Tino's case?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: No, Actually that's quite They are inactive to his case.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: The detective or no, he retired.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Probably good for him. Yeah, get out of there.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: And it got moved to other detectives, and I would
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: be in contact with them, and there's just a lot
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: of blunders on their end.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: So I mean, they've let the car go, You've got
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: tips saying he was hit by it. Okay, I have
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: to be careful because I get so infuriated. You know,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I've got a family that's you know, family members that
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: are in law enforcement and in the legal thing, and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I can't help but tell you how often I have
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: to stop myself from getting mad and just saying, what
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: in God's creation were they thinking? You've got people telling
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: this missing person's mom that this person hit them with
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: this car. You find that car and they don't take
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: the car. They don't look in the car. What if
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: the evidence was on that car, that would have given
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: them the answers to solve this case.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: I forget it now. The Cody and his friends when
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: they moved it, destroyed the car and then left it
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: in a church parking lot to be donated. They'll never
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: get the car back. And I told the police. When
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I got the call that they donated the car to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: the church. I called the police. I called the church.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Nobody would listen to me. I tried to get the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: car so I would have it, and I.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Was like, so you get you could put it in
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: a storage unit, put saran wrap or whatever that big
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: wrap stuff's called that you use for moving furnitures. That
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: what has been the hardest part of this journey for you,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: outside of missing your son, obviously.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Is the they that nobody would help, like these people
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: that claimed to be his friend and the girlfriend whatever
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: you know. You claim that you loved him, then help
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: me hang a fly or help me find him. Don't lie.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, if that's how you love someone, I hope
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: she doesn't love her child. I mean, I hate to
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: say it that way, but if that's how you love someone.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I really hope her own child she doesn't love because maybe.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: That that awful. And then like the other these other
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: girls you know, like Jamie Lynne and Emily and all
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: them girls who claim to have loved my son and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: wanted nothing but to be with him. Where are you now?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Where are you now? Are you? You obviously knew something then,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: and we're too scared to tell me. It's six six
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: years now, and it's a long time. Cody again. If
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: you all are so afraid of Cody, which he's not
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: a don't be afraid.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: He's in prison right now. And people may not know this.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: And this is something I just learned this weekend. Even
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: if the FBI is not looking into a missing person case,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: you can still anonymously go to FBI dot gov slash
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: tips and do an anonymous tip, even if it's a
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: case they don't have. If you tell them the person's
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: name in the city, they will get that information over
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: to local law enforcement. I did not know that. I
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: thought they would just say, oh, we don't have a
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: case about this and move on. They don't because they
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: cannot go into that city and work on a case
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: unless they're invited, but if they get a tip, they
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: can share that tip. And I was told if the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: tip is valuable and they think that there is some
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: substance to it, they can do something with that tip.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Even if local law enforcement doesn't invite them in, they
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: can follow up on a tip that comes into FBI
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: dot gov. So I want to encourage anyone if you're
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: scared of local law enforcement, because my husband and I
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: just watched the show on TV last night. This was
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: the most crooked law enforcement agency. It was the sheriff
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: down that was crooked in a small town of Louisiana.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, if you're scared of local law enforcement
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: or you think they have connections to family or whoever,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: go to FBI dot gov because that's one way to
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: get them involved, right, so that they can do that. Now,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I will tell you I was surprised at the lack
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: of media coverage.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: There's a reason over this case. Why there was coverage. Well,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: you know you think the police do that initial.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: That initial right, Okay, So they did that.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: And then about I don't know, a year. The first
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: two years is only when they the first year is
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: really they only worked the case that them not us.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: We've worked it every day since then. But there was
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: other like podcast and places that wanted sure to you know, story,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: and I was like, great, let's do it, let's do it.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: And then they would ask me is it still an
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: open case? Like is there detectives on the case, And
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, here's their name. You know. They'll
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: they go, oh, yeah, they're out. They're gonna be like, yeah,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: let's get a space out there. Oh no, they shut
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: it down. Boom, No, you cannot, No, you cannot. We're
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: not giving any comment. We're not doing that.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: It's an open investigation. You'll mess up the investigation. What
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: are you talking about. We're trying to get a space
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: out here. Let me do the all these other podcasts,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: all these other shows. Let me do that.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Let me get to the detectives told you not to
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: talk to media in the podcasts because it was an
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: open case. Now I can I will be on this.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I can understand that if they had given you information
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: and they were scared you were going to share information
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that was sensitive to the case. But it doesn't sound
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: like they've done that.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: They never gave me any information until recently, So.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Then what would it have hurt.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, because yes, there's a relationship somewhere with
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: that whole family, that the Sarah family, but I don't know,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: so he wouldn't. And then now that it's an inactive case,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: I think they can't stop me. They I don't know.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Well, they couldn't stop you before. So just so you know,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: and any other family that has to go through this,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: law enforcement cannot stop a family member from talking to
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: the media because there's freedom of speech. And I am
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: going to if it's okay with you, Carrie, JT and
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: I just recently went to the Big Podcast Festival in
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Denver and we met a lot of different true crime podcasters.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: If it's okay with you, I want to send them
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: the notes that our assistant producer pulled on Tino's case
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: and share it with them. Maybe we can get a
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: couple more to cover it and get it out there,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: because somebody knows something. And I think about it this way.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: If you catch your four year old stealing cookies out
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: of the cookie jar, he's not going to fess up
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: until he's backed into a corner and he knows he
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: has to tell the truth right until it's coming from
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Always is the little kid going to finally go Okay,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: I took it. Maybe if everybody starts sending Cody Flyers
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: and these other podcasts can start covering it, maybe somebody
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: will do the right thing.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Right. That's what I'm hoping. I'm really hoping that finally,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: after all these years, you know, there have been people
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: who who were involved in some way or another who,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: over the years, I guess, did feel really guilty and
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: would have certain of their family members come and contact
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: me and tell me, hey, this is this is what
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: so and so said. They feel really guilty about what
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: happened and what their part in it was, and they
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: want to do the right thing. What can we do?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: And I always tell them have them talked to me? Well,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to talk to you. He's afraid to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: talk to you. Okay, fine, all I All I want
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: is to know where Valentino's body is so I can
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: bring him home. Just if he could give me that
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: information and she would say, you know, yeah, she would
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: talk to him and she would be back. Unfortunately, some
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: of the people that did have an ounce of guilt
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: in their heart and wanted to do the right thing,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: some of them have ended up debt, not I'm not
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: saying murdered space, but for other things related and or
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: have taken their own lives and that information from that person,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry that that person's no longer with us.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: But in the same token, I just want my son back.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's been six years. You all could have
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: done it back then, and now you have, you have
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: have an opportunity to do it again every day again again,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: And all I want is to know where he's at.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: I just want to bring him home. He didn't he
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: didn't deserve to die at all, and he didn't deserve
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: to die in any of the ways that any of
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: you have ever told me. He died. And he doesn't
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: deserve to be out in the desert, and he doesn't
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: by himself. He doesn't deserve that and want and.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: We won't get into it. But Tino does have a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: young child, So I hope people will stop and think
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: it's not just a mom and brothers and dad who
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: need closure. There is a young child who goes to
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: bed every night and doesn't know. So I would hope
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: even the most cold hearted person would stop and think
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: about a child who has to go to bed and
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: wants to know where they're doing is yeah.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: I mean these people claim that they were Tino's friend. Well,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: if he's.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you something I've learned about us
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: investigating that one case that we're doing. I now say
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: friends with little quotation marks, because I can tell you
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I have never been that kind of friend. I mean,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: something like this happened to my friend, I would be
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: right there with her family and I you wouldn't get
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: rid of me.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: No, no, I haven't.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: So they're not friends they I mean, you cannot call
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: yourself a friend if they are not they're supporting Tino's family,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: if they're not supporting you, and if they're calling you
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: names right then and telling you to stop looking for
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: your son, well just tell me where he is and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: I'll stop looking. I mean, it's that easy. You want
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: me to stop, tell me where he is and I'll stop.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: You'll never hear from me again, like ever.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: And I try to tell people that you know, yes,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: there comes a point where you want justice, okay, and
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: you don't know what that looks like until you can
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: get your son home. Then maybe you can think about that.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: But what would closure look like for you and your family?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: I think the startup closure. Would want to have him
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: and to be able to go through the true grief process,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: you know, because we can't right now, it's we have
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: to we just can't grieve. I guess the way that
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: people can grieve my mom. This is how my mom
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: set it to us. My mom lost a daughter, my sister,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: years ago when I was sixteen, my daughter, my sister
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: was eighteen, and my mom told us when this happened
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: and we were confirmed basically that he was dead, she
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: said to me and ed that it never gets easier
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: to lose a child. You'll never get over it. The
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: only thing that will happen is you will get better
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: at hiding it. And so like hiding your emotions and
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: hiding you know, go out there and work and be
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: there for your kids. And you know, because we still
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: have our kids, you still have to be there for them.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: But you have to be really strong for them, even
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: though you want to break down. So I think if
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: we could have his body and start the grieving process,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: that would.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Be I'd be a step in the right direction. Well,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: have y'all had any tips and I just thought about this.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Have y'all had any tips or anyone tell you that
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: he is still alive any somewhere else or has everything
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: been that he was killed?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: From everybody out there, they have all different stories key
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: three points one that he was killed. Cody was involved,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Taylor was involved, Jamie was involved, all those but they
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: they said that those those are the key ones. None
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: of them have ever said that, Oh, no, he just
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: decided to go for a walk in the desert. No.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: The only one that they ever said that that they
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: did not physically kill him was on the recording when
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: they called. It was like three in the morning, and
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: they called me and told me that technically Cody couldn't
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: get in trouble for murder because they didn't murder Tino
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: because instead they hit him with the car and beat
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: him unconscious and buried him in the ground alive upside
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: down so he wouldn't be able to dig his way
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: out and left him there for dead. So, I mean,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I guess it.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: How is that I I'm trying not to cry.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: No, that's those are what we.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: How First of all, why would anyone pick up the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: phone and call the mother and tell them this if
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: they're not going to give the exact proof wow of this,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Because to me, that seems cruel Call the police and
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: tell the police. You don't need a phone call at
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning telling you that, in my opinion, we.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Did go there where they said it will happened.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Oh so they told you when you went and looked,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: always tell us.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: Ever since it has happened, we've dug twenty three holes
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: in the desert looking for it.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Have the police done any digging or searching?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: They claim they did one time on that one on
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: the one where said they burned him alive, and they
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: said that they didn't find anything but a cow. So
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't I know. We didn't find police.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Ever look into Cody or get Cody's phone records, see
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: where his location? Have they done anything?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Well the phone records. See, that's a weird thing because
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: the last I remember, I had control of the phone.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Well I don't want to say control, because I didn't
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: have control.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I Well, you had you had control because you had
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: family plan. You could go in and see where they were,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: who they talked to. That's the control of the data.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: We'll say that.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: But I couldn't pay as Kayla to her family took
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: over that. I don't know. She had Tino's passwords. But
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: we did find that the last five calls text and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: all that the last five we're all from Kayla and
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Kayla's family to Tino's.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Phone and to have police searched Kayla's home or Cody's home.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Wrote her off is fine, She's not a suspect, she
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: never was a suspect.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: She could have information. She doesn't have to be the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: person who did it to have inform. Oh my god, please.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: I Tino's belonging back. She said she needed them to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: hold on to her memories.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: She's not out looking for him or helping you or
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: consoling you or the family, but she wants to keep
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: his belongings for memories. No, because they're evidence and there's
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: probably some Oh, Kyla, Kayla, Kayla, you're she's not looking
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: like a good person. In my opinion, I got to
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: remember to always say that, in my opinion, Kayla's not
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: looking so good. Kayla's not looking so good. Well, I
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: am so sorry that you are having to go through this.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I can't help but wonder if the homicide because they
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: didn't have a missing person's unit. In most cases, we
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: always hear a lot of families want a homicide detective
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: on it because they do things different than a missing
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: person detective does. But it doesn't sound like in your
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: case or Tino's case, that having a homicide detective on
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: it really did any good for you.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Are they basically saying there's no body, so there's nothing
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: we're going to do.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Their exact words to me in twenty nineteen was carry nobody,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: no crime. Well that's what they said.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: That's not true anymore. People. I want to tell you
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of states prosecute people for no bodies. Yea,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: But I guess they have to say that if they
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: didn't take Cody's car, they didn't get any evidence, so
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: they couldn't find any blood. They didn't search his house,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: they didn't search Kyla's. They literally didn't investigate, so they
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: would have to have a body because all of the
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: other evidence they didn't do their job to get it.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: It sounds like no, no, I I am speechless. I'm
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: sposed having you keep going every day? How do you function.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Well? Like my mom said, it was true, you get
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: better at putting on like a a face for the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: world to see. You know, you gotta gotta go to work,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: you gotta take care of your kids, you gotta you
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: gotta do all the things an adult it does. And
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: I do that, and then it's those nights, those those
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: private moments when you're at home and you break down.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: You make sure no one else sees that because you
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: don't want them to think that I don't know what
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't care what they think. Actually, I
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: mean I do. It's hard. I don't. I think there's
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: more nights than not that I break down.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: You know, and people, I'm going to tell you you
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: have the right to break down as much as you
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: want it. It sounds like your husband, though, is a really
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: good support system.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: He breaks down too. He is a really strong man mentally, emotionally, physically,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: He's but it is this has been very hard, and
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: we we were I was I'm the biggest warrior. I'll
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: worry over worrying about worrying, and I was worried that
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: it would cause a risk in us, and we both
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: we needed to stay strong with one another so we
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: could find Tino. Because we're not together, we're just like
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: the police and the rest of those people who just
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: don't care, you know, Oh whatever, then Tina will never
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: be found. So we have stayed strong together so we
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: can find Tino.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: And I personally believe that's going to help you find
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: him because so many times I'm learning with covering missing
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: person cases or true crime in general, if there's not
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: a strong family unit and it fractures, Yep, it's going
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: to be even worse and take longer to do it. Well.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Parent is going through the same thing. You know, I'm
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: hurting because he's hurting. But they for our kids, you know,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, they.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Lost a brother, and people I don't think realize that.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing, like people who do these things,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: they only think about the one person. They're not thinking
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: of the broader it's the family, it's the extended family,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: it's the community, it is people out there. I mean,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I worry about missing person cases when I see them
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: and I read the tragic stories. I don't know them.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: I still have a heavy heart just thinking about the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: extended family. I mean, Tino's child asked to.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Grow up not knowing who he is, so little when
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: it happened. Yeah, my mom, my mom, she's a She
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: was actually the one who cut Tino's cord from me.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: She was the person to hold him, because, like I said,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: my mom has been there my entire life. She was
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: a nice face with Tina when he was born. I
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: was so tired I couldn't so she helped at him
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: and everything.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: So she lost a daughter, anna grandson.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very hard for her too. And they don't
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: my sister, they don't these people who are involved or
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: who even have vital information. If you could just step
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: out and see for one brief moment that Tino had
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: a family he has still does, a family that absolutely
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: loves him, and we don't we don't care. Yeah, everybody
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: makes mistakes, everybody can be a jerk to somebody, or safety, whatever,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: whatever reason. You have, to not put that aside for
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: one minute and just see that we are his family
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: and we are going through the worst that any family
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: could go through. You have.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. People that
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: I despise, I would not wish on them the pain
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: that a family and I can't understand it. I can
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: try to understand it, but I am learning until it
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: actually happens in your family. But if it breaks my
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: heart like this, it's got there's got to be if
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: they are twenty percent a decent human. They should be
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: able to see what it's doing beyond Tino, right.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: And you know a lot of people say, well, they
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: feel bad, they didn't want to come forward. They feel bad.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: They're still don't.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Don't, don't, don't think about yourself.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: There's a tip line. It's it's it's it's completely anonymous.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Even now I am begging, just that's all we want.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Just tell us if you know, even if you're even
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: if you're Cody Shave, or you're his family, or you're
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: Kayla and her family, or you're of these other people
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: who I didn't mention your names, but you know who
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: you are. Art, just tell us that's you can do
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: the right thing and in your heart you'll know and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: then you don't yourself have to live with the guilt.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: Right. And that's I'm going to tell anybody who's watching
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: this or sees this, definitely called. They have an anonymous
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: tip line. It is seven two four four six six
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: four six seven three. And I can tell you with
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: another person I'm talking to who's called in tips on
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: another case, he told me that it was eating him
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: up inside, that he knew information and he didn't realize
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: how much it was eating him up and how much
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: it had changed him till he decided to call us
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: with the tip on a case that you know we've
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: been looking into. And like I told him, I don't
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: even know his name talk to him. Don't know his name.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: I don't need to know his name. I don't care.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: But he called and gave him for and what people
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: don't realize every little bit of information, even if you
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: think it's a rumor, there's a lot of truth and rumors, right,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: So call and tell and so Tino deserves the respect.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: And if you truly were his friend, or if you're
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: a decent human, call right in.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Tell well, their mother and father were having to go
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: through this over them because of maybe poor decisions or
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: because you got in with the wrong crowd or whatever.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Like look at your own mom and dad and be like, hey,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have a mom and dad like that.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: You don't. That's what I'm saying to think about. I mean,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: I know some pretty horrible people out there in the world.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: I still wouldn't want their family to suffer. No, no, wow,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: I want to say thank you. Now, do you have
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: a Facebook page for Valentino.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: I did create one on off of mine. I'm honestly Facebook.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: I was talking with my husband the other dare about
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: it and saying, you know what, I should probably get
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: on there and get with our daughter who's really good
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: on Facebook, and do an actual, like a new one
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: that's focused different than how it was, because I had
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: done the one off of mine back when this all
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: began and I was in a different headspace than now
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: from now, and I think one that can just be
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: a little different, And I don't know. I don't Facebook
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Because it helps tremendously, So I will tell you if
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: you get one going, be sure to send it to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: either me or Amos who you've talked to, because you
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: would not believe the amount that it gets out there
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: and it helps. And we have some people on our
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: team that are really great with Facebook pages. So if
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: you make one and you have any questions, feel free
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: to reach out. I figure between me and them, we
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: can help you get that going, because it's amazing how
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: social media helps today. And I'm a firm believer the
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: more these people who know information see it, they're going
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: to realize it's not just going to go away. They're
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: hoping you'll just go away and you'll quite asking questions.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: And I think once they realize you're not, and they
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: start seeing it more and more and it's thrown in
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: their face, they're going to be like, Okay, I need
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: this to just stop and go away.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Hopefully, once I have Tino, I will stop.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I want to thank you for joining me
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: today and for taking time to talk. I can't imagine
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: it's easy, and I do hope that real soon we
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: can do an update because you have Valentino.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: I hope so.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to ask everybody. We will be posting
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: the new flyer for everyone to share. I will also
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: post the flyer that if anybody fills the urge to
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: want to print it and descend it to Cody. I
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: will also post Cody's address on our Facebook page along
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: with that flyer, because guys, I believe you know, if
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: you start breaking down someone's conscience, maybe they will do
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: the right thing. So I do thank you. Is there
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: anything you would like to say before we say goodbye?
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: No, thank you for helping me get Tino's story out
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: there again and getting a space out there so no
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: one forgets. I will never.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Forget no, we will keep sharing it and today is
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Missing Poster Monday for those people who are not aware.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: So if you do share the missing person flyer on Mondays,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: always do the hashtag missing Poster Monday because there are
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: groups that pick it up and reshare it the other
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: days of the week. I have found, so let's just
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: keep getting it out there. But I thank you so
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: much for coming on and if there's ever anything that
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: I can help with or anybody on the team, just
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: always reach out to us. I will thank you, Okay,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: thank you, and I want to say thank you to
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: everybody for joining us today. I will see you all
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: again on Wednesday for our next episode of Midday Missing
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: and until then, and as always, stay safe, watch out
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: for crime, and enjoy your onetime
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: That that