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- Jessielee Sittig: Hello and welcome to the Twin Mom Life podcast. I'm your host, Jess. I created this podcast to help build community, connection, and most importantly, friendships among moms of multiples. Being a twin mom can be amazing and magical. That twin bond is unlike anything I've ever witnessed, but it can also be isolating and overwhelming. I'll be chatting with other twin moms, diving deep into the twin experience. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy twin mom life to listen along. I hope this podcast shed some light on a topic that's been on your heart and gave you more confidence as a twin mama. If you know a twin mom, please send this her way. If you like what you heard today, please subscribe to the podcast and leave a review. Check out the show notes to be connected with today's guest and get discount codes for brands I love. See you next Thursday. Until then. giving advice on what works for us so you don't have to learn the hard way. Juggling two babies at the same time is challenging, but I'm confident we can learn from each other and figure out how to raise these babies together. You are made for this. Welcome to the podcast. So today we have Mira. How are you doing? ⁓ Mira: I am so good, I don't know the last time I was this excited. I cannot wait. Jessielee Sittig: Well, I'm so happy. I wish we were in person. Maybe next time we can figure out a way to be in person because we're both Texas girlies. Yeah. Mira: I know. You know how I love Austin. So anytime I will be down there with my baby strapped to my back. Jessielee Sittig: Let's do it. I know your baby's just turned one, so maybe we'll give it a little bit more time and then plan an episode two in person. Mira: Maybe every birthday because they just turned one on Tuesday. So we'll just do a little checkup every year for is Mira okay. Jessielee Sittig: Ooh, okay, so schedule like market in your planner for next April. It's happening. Yeah. Well, perfect. Well, before we jump into it, I'd love to know how you filled your own cup today. Mira: will do. Don't think smooth. ⁓ if I'm being honest, if someone could see how this morning went on a TV screen, if somebody was watching me, they would turn it off very quickly. was, I spilt every drink I poured. I messed up their breakfast, overcooked their eggs. I spilt out some snacks, crumbs went everywhere. It's just been, and I still haven't cleaned up from their birthday party. It's just been one of those mornings. But when I tell you, I opened the doors and I opened the windows because I was like, kind of smells in here. I just need to air the house out. And that alone, just sitting in the floor with my two babies, trying to get them not to crawl out the back door or the front door. It just, changed everything, the whole atmosphere. So I think fresh air really turned my morning around and filled my cup. Jessielee Sittig: You Hmm. Well, what a way to turn the morning around. And man, is that the truth. I feel like some mornings are just kind of chaotic and that's just part of twin mom life, you know? Mira: Yes, and you have to take it as it comes because if the one little inconvenience in the morning sets your whole day and makes you derail your thoughts and then you're thinking down on yourself, you're not being the best mom, not being the best wife or friend, it can happen really quickly and it happens to all of us. So I'm not trying to say I always open the doors and let the fresh air in, but this morning it just happened to be one of those mornings when I knew I needed to turn it around and it really did. Jessielee Sittig: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mira: There's something about the sunlight and I'm so glad that we're in springtime. I cannot wait for the summer. It's been a long winter and that really does, it really turns perspectives around and it helps the kids. I find fresh air really helps my kids. Jessielee Sittig: Mmm, yeah. I feel like when everyone's crying, I'm like everyone outside like we're all going into the backyard like get some grass on your feet and some dirt on your hands and it always helps definitely. Well, I love that way to to shake it off and turn the morning around. And okay, let's see for me on either Tuesday or Thursday. I don't get to go both days. But one of those days I try to go to yoga. So tonight I have a mat polities class and I'm so excited. Yeah. Mira: Yeah, go. Yeah. ⁓ my goodness. Jessielee Sittig: Looking forward to that. And it's at seven, so I get to miss bedtime. Mira: ⁓ wow, and that's a life hack. And that's a life hack. You have to be like, husband, thank you for coming home from work. I'm gonna go work out now. I'll see you later. And you don't have to see the chaos of it all. I actually just recently joined a gym and I did, I haven't done one of the Pilates classes because I have not been brave enough, but I did sign up for hot yoga thinking it would be like an easy intro. Just, did that thinking it would be an easy intro. Jessielee Sittig: Yes. Mira: And when I tell you, I don't know what I was thinking. I was with my girlfriend who is in very good shape and we were pregnant together. So she's the same amount of postpartum as me, one baby, but still pregnancy, right? But she is lost all of the way. And I was like, girl, I need to get on what you're on. And she took me to this hot yoga class. When I tell you my mat was wet, like I had dipped it in a river and like sat it on the floor. It was wet. I'm never going back again. Jessielee Sittig: Not hot yoga! Mira: But I will do a yoga Pilates class with you on a mat as long as the heat in the room is normal, because I'm not going back to that. Jessielee Sittig: Yes. I feel you on that. feel like, I mean, maybe I'm in perimenopause. And I can't, I cannot. Even if the room is like, it's not hot yoga, but the room is warm. I'm like, can we turn on the AC in here? I just can't. Mm-hmm, a fan. Yes, yeah. Agreed. This is not hot Pilates. It is just regular air conditioned Pilates. Mira: Mm-hmm. Yes. I need something hitting my face. I can't do like this stale room. Exactly. Exactly. Erin, this is AC, the lines. Sign me up for that class. No, you have to live and learn. But I will say, I mean, it's so inspiring to see other moms making the time to work out because it is so something you can just put on the back burner and say, that's the one thing I can cut out of my day. But what I'm learning, it's been two months of consistent working out. It is so life changing and mindset changing. Jessielee Sittig: Thank goodness. Mira: So I'm just obsessed right now. I go every single day. Jessielee Sittig: ⁓ that's great. I feel like it really is a mood booster. Like, I don't think anyone ever says like, ⁓ I wish I didn't work out today. You know? Mira: ⁓ exactly. You never regret it. In the days you don't get to go, of course, it's not sustainable to go seven days a week every single week. But the days that you don't go, you really notice like I haven't spent any time for myself. I haven't got my sweat in. Even sitting in the sauna for me is it just clears my mind. It gives me time to calm down. And going to the gym has given me time to work on my phone and do other things that I need to do. So I am just that's my current obsession right now. Jessielee Sittig: Sure, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mira: and I hope I can stick with it. If not, you need to call me. Jessielee Sittig: Love it. Does your gym have, we'll check in, we'll check in in a month and see how it's going and then schedule our year post follow up episode. Mira: Yes. My gym does have childcare. Yes, they do. Oh my goodness, but it costs a pretty penny. I go to lifetime. I go to lifetime. And the only reason that my husband and I decided this was a wise financial decision is one, I, it's really not about weight. I have been all different weights. I have been 50 pounds heavier than I am now. Before I was pregnant, I've been 40 pounds lighter. Jessielee Sittig: Does your gym have childcare? I'm so jealous. Okay, okay. Mira: there's just something about the way I was raised. And I'm so, thankful for this. I've been confident at every weight. Like when I was my heaviest at my wedding and I remember thinking I am the most beautiful bride that has ever walked down an aisle. So it's really not about weight. It's more so I was in so much pain after pregnancy in my hips and my joints. So I was like, I just need to get some relief. So I wanted to sign up just to just be more comfortable in my body in a pain sense. And we pay $400 a month just being so transparent, but you get two and a half hours of childcare every single day. And when your kids are over three years old, you get three hours every Friday and Saturday night to drop your kids off for date night every single weekend. It is so worth it. And when your kids get older, they get to do karate and ballet and like jujitsu and they do all of that through the gym. So it really Jessielee Sittig: That's so worth it then. Mira: If you use it, it can be super worth it. Jessielee Sittig: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I wish there was a life gym closer to me or what's it called? Lifetime? Where? I'll have to look. I bet it's probably in Austin, which is like, okay, I have some homework after this because that's the hardest thing. Sometimes the yoga studio I go to, which I love, will be like, we're having, ⁓ you know, like not a competition. We're having like a, how many times can you go to yoga in? Mira: Lifetime. I'm sure there has to be. We need to look into this. Yeah, probably. Jessielee Sittig: this period and I'm like, it's still once a week for me. I was like, can't do that because I go when my husband's off of work. And that's the other hack, right? We were talking about like go at 7 PM and then you get to skip bed and bath time. And back Mira: Yum. Yeah. Yes. You do a little passing ships in the night with your husband like, good luck. They're in the worst mood you've ever seen. They're both dirty diapers. I'll see you. Partnership. Jessielee Sittig: Exactly. Like love you. See you later. That's awesome. And to go. Yes, yes. And to go back to what you're saying. I totally agree. I just want to feel strong. And I want to feel good. And I want to be able to play with my kids and have the strength mobility to do those things. You know what I mean? Mira: Mm-hmm. Yes. And it takes work. A lot of times we see mothers on, my litmus test is always on TV or celebrities. see these moms who just look like they've never had a baby in their life and they have all of these kids and they probably have personal trainers. They have people making their food. It doesn't come without real dedication. Nobody just naturally bounces back and like mentally, physically, all of those things. Jessielee Sittig: Sure. Yeah. Mira: I don't think that the Lord would bless one person with all of those abilities to naturally bounce back. So it's something that we all have to fight for, not only for our kids, obviously, we want to be the best moms that we can for our kids. But it starts with us. Like, how am I showing up for myself in the morning? Do I feel good and confident about myself? Or is 25 % of my brain constantly thinking about, ⁓ I shouldn't eat this because that's not going to be good for me or that's going to make me fat or that's going to make me gain those two pounds I worked so hard to lose. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mira: It's so important to have a clear mind and a clear mentality so that we can show up for ourselves first and foremost. Jessielee Sittig: Oh, 100%. That's why I try, I think I have every episode I try to lead with, how did you fill your own cup today? Because I just truly believe that as moms that we cannot be the best moms if we are not working on filling our own cup as well. So, okay, so your baby's just turned one. Oh my goodness. Mira: Yes. I truly, I mean, I have a split mind with this. Half of me, I can't believe it. Of course, I'm feeling all of the classic emotions of denial. How did we get here so fast? How did this happen? But there's another part of me that if I'm being honest, yeah, it feels like it's been a year. It feels like it has been 12 months of two babies needing me and changing me and just totally transforming who I am. feels honestly longer than that and not in a negative sense, but I don't remember life before then. can think on, like I loved my high school, college years, we were married for almost three years, my husband and I before we had the girls. I have a lot of life to pull from, but I just think on that fondly, but I'm like, this is where I wanna be, you know? So I can't even think about a time before then. It has been, I know. Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. love that. So sweet. Mira: It has been the most. It's been the most amazing year. Of course, there's there's moments of heart, but overall, one, think that I was just blessed with the most amazing angel babies who have been very easy on me and very kind to me. They've been sleeping through the night since they were five months old. They eat well. We had a little bit of a breastfeeding journey, which we can talk about, but overall it has just been. Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. Mira: ease after ease and it's felt so natural and it's been like by far the best year of my life. Jessielee Sittig: ⁓ that makes me so happy. And I will say this is so cliche. But in motherhood, it has been so unbelievably true that the days are long, but the years are short. So like, yeah, you're like, it does feel like it's been forever. But when you look back at it, you're like, Whoa, it, how are we here? How did we how did we get here? So how did we get here? Okay, so what would you say? Mira: How did we get here? Jessielee Sittig: Like you kind of already summarized this, but like what were your highs and your lows of the first year of twin motherhood? Mira: Yeah. ⁓ man. ⁓ I would say, I would say, that's a loaded question. I have an easy answer. The high, the highest of the high is my marriage blossomed. ⁓ Parker and my husband has always been my best friend. I love him. We have always, it was my dream to marry my best friend and the Lord gave me that. Like he is, he's just phenomenal. He's my rock. But. Jessielee Sittig: A little loaded question. Mm. Mira: Since having kids, I know him in such a deeper way and being able to see him interact with them and see him love them and prioritize them, really prioritize them. That's not something that I saw a lot of fathers do growing up. I had an amazing dad, but just looking around me, it was always the mom kind of doing everything, especially the older generations like my grandparents and the the boomer generation. It's always the women and the children. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mira: but to see him say like, this is who I am. I am a dad first. I'm a dad before I'm an employee. I'm a dad before I'm a friend to anyone. Like this is who I want to be. It's just been amazing. And that's made me so comfortable to go all in on motherhood, but still have time to be myself. I can say maybe the highest of the highest, from having so many mom friends, I can say I never felt like I lost myself. because I had a partner that wouldn't let that happen. And I am so blessed because I didn't struggle with any postpartum anxiety or depression. And I know that that's not always something we can control, but to have such an amazing support system in my husband and the rest of my family, that's been the hype. I guess I should have said something about the kids. The girls are great too. They are phenomenal. But my husband's my best friend. I'm still getting to know them. Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. No, this is- But that's special. takes, I feel like that takes a very special relationship for the first year of parenthood in general. And then for it to be twins and for you to say that your marriage really blossomed through it, because I don't know. I mean, I didn't have twins first. had a singleton first. And I will tell you that we struggled through that year. There was a lot going on. It was COVID. It was a weird time. Mira: Mm-hmm. Jessielee Sittig: but I would not look back at that first year and be like, wow, our marriage really blossomed. So that's special. That's very special. And like I said, and with twins, so very special. Mira: And I would say the low point, I did not, I was not able to breastfeed in the way that I wanted or for how long I wanted to. So my girls, ⁓ I think that's such a common thing and you can prepare yourself. I really tried to say, if I can, I want to. And even if I can't produce all of the ounces that they need. Jessielee Sittig: Me too. Mira: to survive if I have to supplement with formula, if I have to supplement with donor breast milk, that's okay. And I really tried to psych myself up, but you really, you still have to grieve the experience of motherhood that you wanted versus the one that you're handed, because it really is something that's handed. You can take all of the sunflower lechton that you want. Sometimes you just don't produce enough. So I started off, my two girls, names are Rosie and Nora. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. You sure. Mira: And Nora was my first born, she was breeched, so I had a C-section. And with that, I've heard there different studies that say C-section, it's harder for the milk supply to come in, your body doesn't quite know what's happening as well as a vaginal birth. I didn't have a choice though, because she was breeched. So we had a C-section, she was six pounds, two ounces, and Rosie was four pounds, five ounces. So the hospital staff, were very worried about her. Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. score. ⁓ Okay. Mira: So immediately they latched them onto me right when I was off of the operating table pretty much. And they both latched beautifully. I was like, I'm like Mother Teresa or something. Like I'm feeling one with the earth. I'm just gonna walk around with these babies like attached to my boobs for the next 20 years. It's gonna be great. ⁓ It was amazing. And I'm so glad I had that experience. They both latched very well, Jessielee Sittig: Yeah, twin mom goddess. That's fantastic. Mira: The next few days came and I really just wasn't producing enough. I was maybe making two ounces a session. And for one baby, that would be amazing, but there were two babies staring at me. So ⁓ time went on, I did end up having to supplement with donor milk. I was at an amazing hospital that gave it to us for free and also sent us home with some. I know ⁓ was just a fantastic experience. ⁓ Jessielee Sittig: Wow. Mira: I had so many amazing nurses. Like I could go on and on about the type of woman it takes to be a labor and delivery nurse and caring for mothers after they come. My sister's a nurse. She's actually a cardio nurse. So she's really hardcore. But the kind of nurses that go into like the caring for mothers, that's a whole other thing. We'll do it. We'll do that on their third birthday. But I... Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. taking notes over here. Mira: Yes, yes, we're gonna keep it organized. But it was a beautiful experience, I just wasn't producing enough. And I had to transition after going home. I was at the hospital for five days. And then I went home and I had to start using the formula. And they were having trouble. My littlest girl, Rosie, she was having stomach issues, a lot of trapped gas. We had to use just a lot of different things, a lot of tummy drops, and the freedom mom, Wendy, just constantly with her, because she was so uncomfortable with... the formula, but then we finally got goat milk formula. And all of this to say, it was a journey that could have been easier. And I hope for my future children, whenever I have more kids, God willing, I want so many kids, by the way, whenever I have more children, I hope that I can have that experience of breastfeeding to 12 months, but I had to stop pumping at four months. So I'm still very proud. that I made it that long and they were getting breast milk. But I did have to stop at four months. Also, ⁓ my goodness, ⁓ didn't gain any weight in my pregnancy because I couldn't eat. I was barely eating. I wasn't throwing up every day, but I just wasn't feeling good. I called them my natural ozempic because I just couldn't, ⁓ is so horrible, ⁓ ⁓ just couldn't eat. But then I gave birth and I gained 30 pounds in three months. Jessielee Sittig: Mmm. hilarious. Mira: and I really didn't change my eating habits. I just hacked on. Jessielee Sittig: breastfeeding, was starving when I was breastfeeding, like next level. I've never experienced that level of hunger even with my pregnancy with the twins. It was breastfeeding or I pumped also. So it was like producing breast milk was you need a lot of calories. Mira: Yes. Yeah, well, if you don't mind, you breastfeed with your first And then how was it compared to your twins? Jessielee Sittig: Sure. Yes, okay, absolutely. So my daughter and I had a very different journey. I breastfed her for 15 months. And I don't think I pumped ever like maybe I pumped. I'm quoting this I pumped for fun, because it's not fun. I pumped for fun with her maybe like three times just to like try it. but the beginning difficult. So the beginning she had tongue ties. And I just thought I've never breastfed before like this is Mira: Wow. Jessielee Sittig: pretty painful, but I kind of thought it was normal. And she also was born with an inflamed salivary gland under her tongue. And I, I saw it immediately. She was like crying and she had like a bubble under her tongue. It's so weird. Like it looked like a little, yeah, like a little bubble. So we showed the pediatrician. He's like, ⁓ that's not a big deal. If it's, you know, affecting breastfeeding, let us know. Mira: Hmm. Jessielee Sittig: So we got the tongue ties, released and the salivary gland issue fixed. And then we had like a pretty beautiful breastfeeding journey. also, when that was happening, I also had mastitis. So I had like quite a bit of issues with her in the beginning. So I kind of had like that redemption where I'm like, ⁓ now we can, it just, yeah, it was great after all of that was fixed. So with the boys, I went into it and I'm like, I'm going to tandem nurse them. I have the experience with my daughter. Like I was very confident about it. And I will tell you that I feel like as a twin mom, you have to get really good at pivoting. I was pretty proud of myself for how quickly I did because when I was struggling with my daughter through mastitis and everything, my husband was like, let's just try formula. And I, looking back, I wish that I wouldn't have done this, but I was so stubborn that I was almost like, how dare you suggest that? Which nothing is wrong with formula. We gave the boys formula very early on because it was, it was necessary. So the hospital, ⁓ I tandem breastfed my boys right when they were born. ⁓ Mira: Mm-hmm. Jessielee Sittig: Hilarious. It took me, my husband holding a baby and the nurse holding another baby. They were so small. I made it to 37 weeks, but they were 4'14 and 4'13. So they were tiny, tiny guys. So I was like, this is harder than I thought. They have no neck control and they're so tiny. we never had NICU time, but their glucose was always borderline where it was like a almost like every hour conversation. Like if their glucose doesn't get up, they're going to the NICU. So how do you get their glucose up? You got to give them milk. So I started pumping actually in the hospital, which was They gave me like a medical grade pump and everything. And so that's kind of where my pumping journey began. ⁓ And I pumped for seven months. My goal was a year. So I didn't make it to my goal, but I'm still proud of my seven months. And I was just like, totally nodding my head when you were talking about one of your girls being like very gassy and then having to switch to goat formula. Initially, I had a pretty good supply. And then around three months, it just really dropped. Like I could not produce enough for the both of them anymore. So we started supplementing with formula. I was still pumping and I felt like good with that decision. Like I said, you got to pivot as a twin mom. And then they just started, you know, like getting a very fussy and we were like, it's probably the formula. My son, Waylon, like it got really bad. He had blood in his stool. He lost weight and they ended up having a cow's milk protein allergy. Mira: Yeah. Jessielee Sittig: So we had to go on to a prescription based formula and then we actually ended up switching to goat milk and it was So we had kind of ups and downs with their journey as well and we did a little bit of everything, a little bit of, a little, kind of a little bit of breastfeeding, very, very minimally pumping formula. So yeah, all of that, very different from my experience with my daughter for sure. ⁓ Mira: And I think that's so, I love how you said we have to pivot as any, any mom has to learn how to pivot. And especially as a twin mom, because you're having to factor in your wellbeing and the wellbeing of two completely different children. And I know your boys are identical, right? My girls are fraternal. So I didn't like just understanding that you're dealing, even if your kids are identical, you are dealing with two completely different kids. Jessielee Sittig: Yes. Mira: and also yourself. And if you get caught up and let yourself really get upset over one thing, then you're gonna miss one, all of the amazing things that are happening. And you're gonna hold yourself and your whole family back, just being bitter over things we can't change. So what can I change? I can go to the doctor. I can figure out, like with your daughter, you figured out what was happening. You got the tongue-ties fixed. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mira: you got the salivary gland and I've never heard of that. I'm going to have to look into that. Like I have never heard of that, but that actually makes a lot of sense and she must have been in so much pain. So like being proactive and saying, I can control this. I cannot control that my supply just drops at three months. So I'm going to pivot and I'm going to figure out how do I move past this quickly and effectively and mourn, like we said, mourn the loss of what I Jessielee Sittig: like what? Me neither. Mira: thought it would look like and then accept what it's going to look like and make the best of that. You have a lot of grit to be able to just adapt to different circumstances. And I think that is one of the main things you need. If you're pregnant right now with twins, if you're wondering, it could go a million different ways. But the point is, as long as your babies are healthy, Jessielee Sittig: Yeah. Mira: any one of those million ways is a good way, you know? Jessielee Sittig: Absolutely. And I feel like going into it, like you said, if you are pregnant right now or you're twins or newborns just having that open, flexible you will be so much happier. With my daughter, postpartum was honestly a pretty bad experience. Like I always say that my postpartum with the boys was really like redemptive, which isn't like your typical story. Mira: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Bye. Jessielee Sittig: I just had so much more support. I was so much more flexible, like, okay, I'm not going to be able to breastfeed and, and maybe I could have tried again, but it just like, got into ⁓ pumping routine and that's what we did. And you just have to be flexible. And I really was a lot happier being able to like pivot when needed. And I didn't do that with my daughter. Like I'm way more type B now than I ever was. And I'm thankful. Like I think I'm a better mom now that I have twins. Which is kind of crazy. Mira: Yes. I love that perspective. Well, I don't know about you, but whenever I found out I was pregnant with twins, everyone has opinions and everyone who have never had twins want to tell you how hard it's gonna be and ⁓ my goodness, are you okay? Are you gonna be okay? But the reality is it's all about mindset and it's all about thank you Lord. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mira: for blessing me with two babies. I was just listening to the podcast episode you released with, I believe her name was Tabitha, and y'all were talking about ⁓ being pregnant after a loss. So ⁓ experienced ⁓ mis-miscarriage for my very first pregnancy, ⁓ it was one baby, ⁓ ⁓ believe, I believe it was a boy. He was eight weeks, and he just stopped growing. So we went in thinking there would be a heartbeat, and there just wasn't a heartbeat. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mmm, I'm so sorry. Mira: ⁓ And that was devastating. It took me a long time to walk through that. And we ended up getting pregnant with the girls pretty much nine months to the day of when he would have been born. And it was such a blessing. wasn't expected, but it was really redemptive. And I always think back to the verse that the Lord will give you a double portion blessing. And they really are my double portion rainbow babies. But I think of course miscarriage, child loss, there's really nothing like it. Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. Aww. Mira: It's devastating, earth shattering. It can make you question yourself, your body, just everything around you. But I think the blessing that comes with that is this very deep appreciation for the hard with kids. And when you're looking at your children, it doesn't mean, man, like this is really difficult having two babies crying and I'm the only one here. I only have two hands. How am I going to get through the next five hours? That can be true, but it can also be true. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mira: that you realize how blessed am I that I got to bring two babies earth side, that I got to bring two beautiful little girls and now they're here and I get to love them. Like it just, really changes mindset. So that's something I was just boohoo crying listening to that episode. It was so good. ⁓ And I think it's so poignant, like having perspective and I'm not saying you have to. Jessielee Sittig: awww Mira: have walked through loss in order to appreciate your children. But that can be a really comforting sentiment for someone who maybe is struggling with infertility, struggling with miscarriage, walking through that right now. There is redemption on the other side. Jessielee Sittig: Mm hmm. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why, you know, this week I've leaned in a bit to like sharing my losses and you know, I had my miscarriages eight years ago, which is crazy. And it's still emotional for me. you know, it's, it will always be like a little, it will always hurt my heart a little bit that like that was our experience, but I absolutely agree that like Mira: Mm-hmm. Jessielee Sittig: shifting your mindset is so important. And I love everything that you just said because I think a lot of times when you talk about twins in general or someone finds out they're pregnant with twins, it can be like a negative reaction. And don't get me wrong, I get like the shock and surprise of it all, but it really is something that like we're so lucky and blessed to have. And I think that's been one of my favorite things about the podcast in general is. Mira: Yes. Jessielee Sittig: Of course there are moms who I'm like, ⁓ man, we struggled through this and you know, X, Y, Z, but the overall like agreeing, like the overall census is that all twin moms feel so lucky to have been chosen to have twins. And I feel that way too. And you know, one thing I was talking about with my losses is I had two miscarriages. So when I found out I had twins, I was just like, wow, what an amazing. What an amazing way for God to say, like, it's all going to work out in the end. Like, not that I got those two back, but it was kind of a nudge to the babies that I did lose. So, yeah, it's hard and beautiful and so thankful that I got two at the same time. Mira: And I'm so glad that we're here to experience the hard, you know, because that without the hard, without the sad, we don't get the grace and we don't get the hope. So and what is more beautiful than having children? I feel like today in this day and age, mothers and children are so ostracized from society or society is trying to ostracize them. There's a very negative connotation. So I'm 26. Jessielee Sittig: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yes. Mira: and I hang out with lot of people my age. Most of my friends are in their late 30s, just because that's most of my friends. That's why I love you so much, Jess. And then I also mentor a lot of 18, 19-year-olds. I, in my, not my past life, but years ago I was an esthetician and I managed spas. So I employed all 17, 18, 19-year-old girls. Jessielee Sittig: Hey girl, that's me. ⁓ cool. Mira: And I just, love them. I'm actually going on a Bachelorette trip with one of them tonight. So like beautiful relationships that I built, but hanging out with all different age groups, you can really tell in the younger generations how much negativity there is around motherhood and how much, oh, you're only 24 and you're pregnant. Like yikes, your life is over or. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mm. Hmm. Mira: Well, I just want to know. I don't want to get pregnant until I'm well into my 30s so that I can really live my life and be selfish. And I think you can have a desire to wait to have children. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think what is so hurtful to a lot of young women who are trying to have children at a young age or. And I think it's totally normal, like 25 to 35 is a very normal time to have kids or even like waiting later. Everyone has their own journey and children are a blessing. They're not a burden. They're a blessing. And it just breaks my heart to see the negativity around child rearing. Do you know what I'm talking about? Just on social media and everything. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think one of the, I don't know, unhinged meanest comments I've ever received from someone was like, Oh, you have twins better you than me. And I'm like, well, yeah, thank God. Like, I wouldn't want you to if that's your reaction, then like, what an awful thing to say. And yeah, I, I hear what you're saying. And I agree. It's like it's motherhood is what's given my life purpose. Mira: you Jessielee Sittig: And is it hard sometimes? Yes, but it's also the most rewarding chapter of my life that I've ever experienced. Mira: And I think the key is in mentoring younger women who are praying about having kids, when should we start? We just got married. My key when I knew I was ready to have kids was it was like a light switch went off. And I think some people experience that and some people it's more of a slow burn. But for a while I was like, no, I just want to be married. I want to enjoy my husband. And then a light switch went off and I realized, what am I doing here? Like, ⁓ what am I spending my time doing? There's nothing wrong ordering your DoorDash and going to work and spending money on Target clothes, because that's what I was doing. But I started to think, what are we building here? What are we building for us and for Legacy and for the Kingdom, honestly? And kids are such a huge part of that for my journey. So I always encourage young adults. It is not a rush to have children. Jessielee Sittig: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mira: But understand that when you have children, in a way, your life is just beginning. ⁓ It really, you bloom into a new person and everyone, I just want to emphasize again, everyone has their own journey and not all people are called to have the desire to have children. And some, exactly. But there is a, there's a special, there's a special personhood that you walk into when you create a baby. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Sure, and that's fine. Mira: or you adopt a child, you have a child come into your home and you're the parent, your life is beginning in a new and special way. And it's such a good thing. It's nothing but good. And I just like scream that from the rooftops, like, do not listen to the negativity. Do not believe that your life is over because it's really just starting. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I love how you were talking about earlier is like you don't really remember your life before your girls because it's so much more purposeful and meaningful. Now, I just think that's really special. So I know you're kind of mentioning earlier, like your very supportive relationship and your family. How do you think I don't want to use the word survive? How do you think you managed through the first year of having twins? Mira: ⁓ man, grace and yes, but I love it. And I think if we don't take time to think deeply after we pass through good and bad and hard things, ⁓ then we lose the wisdom. Like we lose it to the wind and like there, there's something so valuable about sitting down with like a cup of tea with a friend and really hashing out something that just happened. You know what I mean? So I love it. I love. Jessielee Sittig: All the loaded questions. Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Mira: thinking way too deeply about things. I would say number one, of course the Lord just leaning on him and finding shelter and knowing that I don't have to know everything because I will never know everything. And I was created for this and this is good. My instincts will kick in. But on that same note, I don't want to go off too much of a tangent. I was told so many times that, you'll just know what to do. No, sometimes you have to ask your doctor. Please ask your doctor. Sometimes you don't just know what to do. Sometimes you should seek counsel. Jessielee Sittig: Mm. Yes. Mira: in a professional or other mothers, you're not just gonna naturally know what every single cry means. ⁓ So I actually did end up feeling a lot of shame and guilt for needing to use Google and needing to like reach out to other mothers, but your instincts come in through experience and wisdom. It doesn't just happen all the time. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. You you should have no shame. Like ⁓ no knows what they're doing. ⁓ We all figuring it out as we go. And I absolutely lean ⁓ on friends of like, what did you do in this scenario? Like, let's like brainstorm here. I think that's so beautiful. Like we, don't know everything we have to learn from others experiences and maybe something. Mira: Mm-hmm. Jessielee Sittig: will intuitively come like, I'm going to try this. And then if that doesn't work, you have to pivot. And it's great to be able to talk to family, friends who have experienced or on a similar road that you are. You've got to talk it out. That's, yeah. Mira: My mom group chat is full of pictures of different poops and diapers, colors of spit up, like report cards, everything. We just all kind of convene and say, so collectively, how are we gonna handle this? And I think to answer your question, how do you get through a year of, for me, it was my first pregnancy that made it full term and... Jessielee Sittig: ⁓ Mira: bringing two babies into the world for the first time, not knowing what I was doing. And by the way, I was the baby of my family. I had never, I never changed a diaper until I gave birth and it was five days after because I had a C-section. So my very first diaper that I ever changed was my baby, Nora. So I truly didn't know what I was doing. Like it was another level of being oblivious to how to wipe a butt. But I think getting through the first year, the biggest thing was the Lord, also my support system. I already gave my husband a spotlight. So like, you're good. My mom and my sister are my best friends. And they were there from the moment I gave birth. And still my sister's here watching my girls right now. They have been... Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. Aww. Mira: the most supportive and my dad has a very demanding job. But when I tell you we were in the hospital for seven days, he came at three in the morning, every morning before he went to work to help me for two hours with the girls. And he would just show up, you know, and just in all of the discomfort of a lot of stuff was going on in that room. I always make the joke that every time somebody would walk in the room, I'd be like, my boobs are just going to be out. Okay, like I'm trying to breastfeed. Jessielee Sittig: That's so sweet. Yeah. Mira: This is just like par for the course, but family members and friends would just come at all hours of the day and help us. And then after we brought the girls home, I mean, the support just didn't stop. It's so important to have and be a village. And I see this on online, a lot of women, ⁓ it's all about the village. Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. Yes. Mira: That really is what kept me together and I'm so thankful for the people that I had. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. I couldn't agree more. I'm also very close with my parents. My mom is my best friend. She was so helpful. My husband's family lives out of state, but my mother-in-law took, she's also a nurse and took off, you know, three weeks of work and basically lived with us. And she's a night nurse. So we were like, you know what you're doing. It was so, yes, it was so helpful. Mira: You got it. Jessielee Sittig: And like our neighbors and friends did like meal trains and we just felt so supported. And this was no one's fault with my daughter, but we did not have that support and that community help with my daughter like whatsoever. So having that with the boys was just such a huge difference. And I love that you mentioned your dad. So, you know, when you think like postpartum, you're like, how much can dads really help or how much do you want their help? I will never forget. So I mentioned like my plan, like I'm tanned and breastfeeding. That's what we're doing. So I had a pump, but I didn't like plug it in to make sure it was working. I didn't do anything. So I get home and I'm like, I need to pump immediately. And that I cannot find like the charger portion for the plug. Like I can't plug it in. I'm freaking out. I'm literally like, I was, I was like hysterical. Mira: This isn't, I'm sweating. Jessielee Sittig: I was hyperventilating, crying. I'm like, ⁓ my gosh, what do I do? So I call my dad. My daughter was with my mom. So when we were in the hospital with the boys, my daughter got croup. Like this is the worst possible time ever. So our pediatrician was like, try to keep them separate as long as possible because they're like four pound, you five day old babies, wild. So my mom is like. Mira: Yeah. Jessielee Sittig: away with my daughter. So I call my dad and I'm like, can you please go to Target and get me a breast pump? And he did. Like, thank you. Thank you so much, dad. Never forget. Yes. Yeah. Mira: What a man. Pour one out for dad. What a man. I mean, that's just like the epitome of fatherhood. It doesn't stop. Motherhood doesn't stop. And I think so. What I just want to send like honor to the parents who never stop showing up for their children because I'm sure I know I have, but I'm sure you walking through life with other friends, not this is not everyone's story. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Yeah, not yet. Mm-hmm. Mira: Not everyone has the phenomenal, relentless loving parents that we have. And I know that just with some of my closest friends, it can be really hard to step into motherhood without a mom to mom you. When nobody else is mothering you and you're trying to now mother this baby or these babies, it can be really emotional and difficult. So. ⁓ Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mira: I mean, just such a blessing if you have those family members or those friends who have become family. It really is. It changes. It changes everything. ⁓ Jessielee Sittig: Yeah. And I feel like that's been a huge topic of like the village that people come in that's come up on other podcasts too. And, you know, we're so lucky to have supportive parents. I hope that a lot of people do, but for those who don't, like there's community in your church, in your neighborhood, in your friends. I had someone on recently where she doesn't live by any family and you know, her friends are working full time and they have children. So she had support when her family would like fly out and visit. And then she wasn't really getting support. And they hired a nanny, even when she was on maternity leave, because she was like, I need a couple hours a week to take a shower without, you know, making sure my two babies are safe or go to the gym or just like having someone to help me. So I just thought, yes, like your village doesn't have to just like, it's not this small box of people. Mira: Mm-hmm. Jessielee Sittig: you can get very creative with your village. And if you have the means, then you can also like, like there's nothing wrong with hiring help also, you know? Mira: There's nothing wrong with outsourcing help. I think that, yes, well, I got you. There, I mean, and what a blessing if you can do that. What a blessing if you can afford something like that. I know we talked a little bit about it, but it has been life-changing for me to have two hours of care a day for my girls, for me to go and work out. And sometimes I just drop them off and I go and I sit in the sauna and then I take a shower. Jessielee Sittig: Yes, yeah, that's the word I was looking for. Mm-hmm. Mira: and I blow out my hair and there is a spa like they just open a nail salon so I'm going to be able to go and get my nails done. These are things know, I know. They do hot stone massages, they have like hair treatment, you can get your hair cut, it's amazing. But when I tell you when we first had our babies, I went from having a full time, I was managing two spas in the DFW area Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. What? Mira: I'm so blessed to be making great money. And then my husband and I decided it was best for me to stay home at least for a while because two babies is, it's a lot of babies, you know, they're here. There's a lot of kids and we decided it was best to stay home. And he really just picked up the mantle and he worked so hard and we were making it for sure. He, he is a phenomenal provider, but things were tight. And that's when I did some ⁓ Jessielee Sittig: Mm hmm. Yes. Mira: and I picked up user generated content. So I just make videos for brands and all of that to say having a little bit of extra income to then pour back into my family and say, this is good for the girls because they're getting to interact with other babies and they're getting to learn boundaries and work with other adults. Like that's so good for them. And it's so good for me because I get a little bit of breathing room every day and it's okay to spend money for yourself. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mira: And for peace of mind, it's okay to hire a babysitter just to go for you to go and walk around Target. It's okay to do those things. And sometimes it's even needed, I would argue. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm Oh, yeah, I absolutely agree. It like all goes back to making sure that you can fill your own cup to be the best mom that you can be. Like I can tell like I I try to plan things before burnout happens, which I did not do with my daughter. So I'm trying to be more mindful of that What can I do preventively so that I feel like my cup is getting filled consistently? Mira: Mm-hmm. Jessielee Sittig: And I don't get to that burnout point where then I'm getting snappy, resentful, mean. That isn't the kind of mom that I want to be, but it's very hard to always be positive and a happy, calm mom if you are not also making sure that your own cup is filled. that's, yeah, I just completely agree with, with all of that. It's so important. Mira: It is so important. And it's also important to hold the other mothers in your life accountable and to have that kind of open relationship with your friends when you see, you know what it looks like when somebody's coming unraveled. You know when you're passing your girlfriend at church, like, have you slept in the last two months? How are you doing? And keeping those people accountable. And if you want a village, then you have to be a village for others. And it's ⁓ also important to the other mothers in your life accountable and to have that kind of open relationship with your friends when you see, you know what it looks like when somebody's coming unraveled. You know ⁓ when you're passing girlfriend at church, like, have you slept in the last two months? ⁓ How are you And keeping those people accountable. And if you want a village, then you have to be a village for others. Jessielee Sittig: sure. sure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mira: and that means you sign up for the food trains, you show up for the birthday parties, you don't... Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mira: you have to care for others in the way that is the best that you can do. And you're not gonna be able to be the super mom, super friend in all seasons, obviously. But if you're hungry for a village, for friendships, I know so many women, just from what I see online in communities, they don't have those family members, they don't have friends, maybe they just moved to a new city, they're a young mom, they have... toddlers or children and it's so hard to make friends, I guarantee you if you start caring for others and you start prioritizing and saying, let me take you out to coffee, let me pick your brain and listen to your life story, I wanna care for you, I wanna pour into you, that's a village and that's building that support system. Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. Mm hmm. And getting out of your comfort zone. feel like I'm pretty extroverted. So it isn't out of my comfort zone to like meet a mom at the park and ask for her number. But I know, like, don't get me wrong. I still am like, I don't know how they're gonna react. Like, are they gonna be like, ⁓ yeah, Charlotte's hang out? Or they can be like, No, you weirdo. Like, you never know. But I would encourage moms to do that. Like, if people are going to a community park. Mira: Mm. Jessielee Sittig: or they're going to the library or somewhere in public, they're most likely doing that to get out of the house and to meet people, build community. Like they're out for a reason. So if you don't have a village, then you can build one. And I love that you were saying like you have to pour into people too. I make it a point like for me and for my kids to see like if there is a new baby that is welcome, if a family is sick or going through hardships. we're doing a meal train and we're bringing food to you and my kid, I want my kids to be involved in that because I just have seen how it has blessed our family and I want them to learn and for us to be able to bless other families by even something simple of like double the meal that you're making that night and like boom, you've just blessed a family with dinner. Mira: Mm-hmm. Yes, and it takes sacrifice. And I think that that is something, if you feel like it's a burden to go out of your way for people, then you're right. You're right. It takes extra thought. It takes extra intentionality to say, I am so bogged down. I'm tired. My kids have homework and I have basketball practice and my husband's out of town on a work trip, but I am not going to cancel on my girlfriend tonight. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mira: if at all possible, I am going to show up for her. I'm going to be there for her. And it really, does take sacrifice, but that used to be, I mean, think about 40, 50 years ago, that was just the normal thing in society. I don't know if I my timelines wrong. I always, in my mind, I think it's 2008. Like that's the year that my mind is stuck in, but it's 2026. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Me too. I'm like, I'm not close to 40. This no, I'm in my 20s. What are you talking about? Mira: What? So maybe 70 or 80 years ago. That used to be the norm. Friendships, relationships, family, that was everything. And everything is taught and developed. Nothing just happens. So I love that you brought up, you include your children in it. No matter how little they are, they are going to see mommy and daddy loving their community and caring for people because that is either learned Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mira: or it's not learned. And I mean, they're just so blessed to have you and your intentionality because yeah, it's easier to put the toddlers in front of the TV and let them watch something while you bake cookies for the next door neighbor. But it's so much more life-giving to get their hands a little bit messy, get flour all over the kitchen so they know I'm helping out my friends in need because that is going to come out in their personalities. It's going to come out in their habits and the way that they care for people for the rest of their lives. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mm hmm. So true. And I'm like, giggling because it's so chaotic. We so my daughter is six and my boys will be three in June. And last week, we all made muffins together like the four of us. Oh, man, my daughter, we've been baking together for a long time. Like she's got it down. She could probably do it almost by herself. You know, at this point, my boys are like, let me crack an egg like oh, eggshells everywhere. Like, let me pour the flour. Whoo. So um, Mira: ⁓ my gosh, it's a nightmare. Jessielee Sittig: Is it a little harder? Yes. Is it fun and messy? Also, yes. So, yeah, so. Mira: How different is it having boys versus having a first born daughter? Jessielee Sittig: ⁓ wow. They just always are hurt. They are ⁓ destructive and it's mainly towards themselves. I always am like, are you trying to hurt yourself? We have not had an ER visit. I'm knocking on wood. We have had goose eggs, bloody lips, bloody noses. And you know, my daughter is like high energy also. ⁓ but we like, she just has had a very minimal injuries. Like she's never had a goose egg before and both boys had goose eggs before they turned one. So it's. I obviously never had twin girls, so I don't know like that interaction, but having like a singleton girl to twin boys. That's all high energy, but the energy that's different is like the hurting. Mira: Yeah. Jessielee Sittig: destructive. I don't know, I guess it's the testosterone. Mira: Yeah. I mean, I... I am so happy for you because my sister-in-law has four boys. None of them are twins, but they're all under 11. And her house is the most fun place on the planet. Like if I have to put a pin somewhere, they, I mean, her and her husband just do it right. They're one of those parents that just, they are the super parents that need to be on a milk carton somewhere. Jessielee Sittig: Yeah. Mira: They are so loving for those boys and they teach them how to be kind and embrace the chaos and say, you know what, if you want to wrestle, as long as we're not going to the ER, go at it. Like this is how you learn. This is how you learn boundaries. And if it gets too serious or intense, we can talk about that. But as long as everybody's having fun and nobody's crying, go for it. I think that having boys is Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mira: so magical and I pray that one day I get to experience that. But I will tell you twin girls, they are sweet and kind and sassy and loud and chaotic, but they are very gentle, I would say like super gentle with each other. just kind of want to Rosie, she uses her pointer finger and she just kind of points at everything. She'll point at my nose and my cheek and at Nora. She's just like a little. Jessielee Sittig: Mm. Hmm. Mira: gentle butterfly and Nora's a little bit more, you know, she kind of tumbles all over the place, but I love it. Twin A and she still is bigger. So Nora's about four pounds bigger than Rosie and they've stayed pretty consistently. At first it was two pounds and it's kind of grown a little bit over time, but they both grew super healthily and I'm very, very thankful for that. But Nora's a little bit bigger, but they're just, I mean, Jessielee Sittig: of speed. Which is Nora, Twin A or Twin B? Okay. ⁓ wow, okay. Mira: I love women and I love girls so when I found out I was having two girls I was like yeah that checks out. I have one sister and she's my only sibling and having a sister is... I think everyone needs a sister and if you don't have a sister you need to find a friend that's like a sister because you just need women in your life. So I was just so excited when I found out I was having two little girls. But I have a feeling I'm gonna have twins again. I just have like a little, and I want them, ⁓ my goodness, I would love to have twins again. Maybe some boys, I would love that. I would love that. Jessielee Sittig: Mm. Mm-hmm. Gosh, maybe a set of boys? I love that you're manifesting like a second set of twins. are so many women who have two sets of twins. Like I haven't, it's what? Mira: ⁓ yeah, I want to do this again. It was amazing. Yeah, it's one in 12. After you have your first set of twins, I believe the statistic is now you have a one in 12 chance for the rest of your pregnancies. Jessielee Sittig: ⁓ that's high. I knew it was high. I didn't realize that's, I mean, the odds are in your favor, girl. Mira: Okay. Yeah, it's like dire high, like super high. If I was hoping to not have another set of twins, I know there's a lot of twin moms out there that are like, I have my set and I'm happy with these. So I know there's a lot of people who may not want a second set. Just know your chances are high. ⁓ are high, girl. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah. Well, and I'm almost 37, and I just was like, you know, we weren't planning to have three. We're happy with three. We're not going from three to five. So my husband got snipped, and our family is complete. But I love a second set of twins for you. Mira: Mm-hmm. Yes. I will keep you updated. mean, I just, sometimes I have like little premonitions and sometimes they're wrong. I'm not saying that like God has told me anything, but I will say when I was first pregnant with my girls and it was before I even knew ⁓ they were twins, every time I would pray over them and I would pray over the pregnancy, because obviously I had a lot of anxiety from my miscarriage, I would just pray, Lord, protect these babies. And I kept having to. ⁓ Jessielee Sittig: you Mm-hmm. Mira: myself because I would say babies instead of baby. So there was a part of me that really knew that I was going to have twins and I just feel like I think this is my prediction. We'll check in in a few years like we've said. But I think I have these two girls and then I'm going to have a boy and then I'm going to have another set of girl boy twins. But I would be very happy with boy boy twins. Jessielee Sittig: Mm-hmm. Mmm! That's well, I can't wait to see what happens. And this isn't something that I normally ask women, but you said earlier that you want like all the babies. So like, what's your timeline for that? Mira: Yes. Well, let me just say, I want to wait a little while. I want the girls to be at least three, and then I want to boom, boom, boom. I always patronize my husband. He wants four. ⁓ And I say, ⁓ that's cute. We'll see. ⁓ I want to have so many kids that I have to drive a vehicle that people look at it and say, ⁓ they have a lot of kids. Like Sprinter Van vibes, you know? Jessielee Sittig: Ha ha. hilarious. Yeah, like I was gonna say like I have a minivan but you want like a sprinter van. Mira: ⁓ yeah. I have a six seater right now and I love it. When I gave birth, I had a Tesla. Just when I tell you, I loved my Tesla and I cried when I had to, I had to turn it in and get a bigger car, but we just needed this space. So I have a six seater right now and he wants us that to be our forever car. And I want to go a little bit more than that. I mean, God willing, we'll see what happens, but I want a Sprinter van to where I'm having like, stand at the door like, go, go, go. Jessielee Sittig: Aww. Mira: like a SWAT team with all of the kids. Jessielee Sittig: cannot wait to see that. Mira: We'll see. mean, maybe I'll have my next one and be like, this is good. This is good. But I'm happy with what I have now. Jessielee Sittig: Well, it's good to have. Yes. Well, I'm excited to see, to see what the future holds and you're manifesting it. So, and you know, it's interesting. I feel like a lot of twin moms I've talked to, like just kind of had a feeling. Of course the shock is real. Like I had a feeling that it was twins and I was still unbelievably shocked at my first ultrasound, but it is interesting that like some moms just have that intuition. So I think that's, that's really cool. Mira: Yes. Man, like you said, I feel like I could talk about my kids and I could talk to you for hours and hours. And it's just such a blessing. ⁓ I just appreciate you inviting me on. Podcasts my thing. I love podcasts. It's my primary source of entertainment. So to be able to be on one and just talk about my normal life, I hope that there were... Jessielee Sittig: Same. Mira: some encouraging moments. hope that people, whether you're expecting twins or you're in the throes of the newborn, or you're looking back and kind of reflecting on your twins being a few years old now, like you are so living life with the huge community of women who understand the things that you are walking through and have walked through, and it is possible to get to the other side and it's beautiful in between. So I'm just so, so thankful to you. Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. Hmm. Mira: for inviting me on. Like this was one of the highlights, one of the highlights of this year so far by far. Jessielee Sittig: Aww, yay, that's so sweet. Well, I'm so happy to have you. And if there was any advice you would give to a twin mom, or if you could have a heart-to-heart with a twin mom, what would you tell her? Mira: I would say this is no accident and you were chosen on purpose for this. There are no mistakes in the kingdom and you have been equipped. always say people like to use the sentiment the Lord will never give you more than you can bear and that's misleading because there are moments where you cannot bear what's happening in your life. But that's why we need him. And if you are if you have been chosen to be a twin mom, congratulations. Welcome to the club. Jessielee Sittig: Hmm. Mira: It is the best club to be a part of. Jessielee Sittig: Mm hmm. Yes, it absolutely is. ⁓ it's so true. It's like you can you can have fear and be scared, but it's going to be so good. And in the moments that are hard, like just wait because it like in a good way, I don't like that. Just wait until they're having tantrum. I'm like, no, no, just wait until you see their amazing bond. Just wait until you see them hug each other for the first time. Mira: Mm-hmm. Jessielee Sittig: Just wait until one goes to the pantry and get snacks for them and for their brother. It is like the sweetest thing. Absolutely love it. Well, Mira, thank you so much for coming on today. It's been so fun to chat all the things. feel like we, isn't it crazy what you could talk about in an hour? Mira: I can't wait. You know, I could go for three more. It has been my honor. Jessielee Sittig: Yes. Well, thank you so much. I really, really appreciate it. It was so fun to have you on today. Mira: Thanks, Jess.