Latest / Bring The Thunder Podcast / 2026 NBA All-Star selections EXPOSED 🔒 Who Got SNUBBED?
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- 0:03You're listening to the Bring the Thunder Podcast, a podcast
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- 0:12gentlemen, and welcome back to the Bring the Thunder podcast
- 0:16episode 37. Round of applause to you guys.
- 0:19We've made it through 36 episodes, 37 today.
- 0:24Really excited for this one. The All Star teams fully have
- 0:27been dropped a lot of controversy this year.
- 0:30We'll start off obviously with the starters in the Eastern
- 0:34Conference, Kate Cunningham, Jaylen Brunson, Jaylen Brown,
- 0:38Tyrese Maxi and Giannis. Originally you would think
- 0:42that's a pretty decent starting five.
- 0:44Well, the world versus USA format is just terrible this
- 0:46year, but we'll get into that. The reserves for the Eastern
- 0:50Conference, we have some good names, some some names you guys
- 0:53wanted to see, starting with Scotty Barnes.
- 0:55Jalen Dern makes it as the Pistons are the one seed.
- 0:58Jalen Johnson makes his first All Star appearance.
- 1:01I'm pretty sure Jack's pretty hype about that one.
- 1:04Donovan Mitchell, Karl Anthony Towns questionable, Pascal
- 1:09Siakam questionable and Norman Powell who's, you know, had a
- 1:13really strong case last year, but he was in the Western
- 1:16Conference last year so I'm actually kind of glad that he
- 1:18gets in there this year. He's been pretty, pretty elite
- 1:21offensively 2 years in a row here for the West, we got Curry,
- 1:24Donchette, Shea Yokich and Victor Wembinyama, the reserves,
- 1:30Deniadvia, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant and Edwards, Chet
- 1:35Holmgren, LeBron James and Jamal Murray.
- 1:39So with that being said fellas, I am going to just kick it
- 1:42straight to Gabe here to start. Gabe, we mentioned the two
- 1:46teams, the reserves and the starters.
- 1:48You got a couple guys that you think missed the cut this year
- 1:52that are deserving more than some people in there.
- 1:55Yeah. I mean, I think one of the
- 1:56biggest ones, that this isn't a unique idea just to me, this is
- 2:00one that everybody's talking about, and that's Kawhi Leonard
- 2:02not making it. Kawhi Leonard has had a very
- 2:04good season. I mean, the Clippers, I remember
- 2:08the very beginning. I know you guys will remember
- 2:09this as well, but at the very beginning of the year when the
- 2:11Clippers were, I mean, detrimentally bad, they've
- 2:15they've started to fix things, they've started to figure things
- 2:17out and Kawhi Leonard has played a a reasonable amount of games
- 2:20for normal. I mean, he's played 35 games
- 2:22this year, which for him, you know, you got to you got to give
- 2:25him credit when he plays a decent amount of games since
- 2:27that's not so common, but averaging, if you're rounding
- 2:30up, he's averaging 28 points per game.
- 2:32He's one of those guys that it just feels strange not
- 2:36mentioning him at all in this in this All Star game format like
- 2:40that. That's just something that
- 2:41surprises me. And As for who to replace him
- 2:43with, that's tough because there's several guys that I
- 2:46think you could put him over. And I mean, the first one I
- 2:50think of is Denny of Dia. I I just frankly, I just don't
- 2:53know if the stats equal up to what Kawhi Leonard has been
- 2:55doing this season. I know the Blazers have been
- 2:57really good. The Blazers have been breaking
- 2:58expectations, you know, for what everybody thought.
- 3:01But I don't know if you're asking me to pick between Kawhi
- 3:04Leonard and Denny of Diaz players, I'm gonna take Kawhi
- 3:06Leonard. I, I think Kawhi Leonard is
- 3:08genuinely just a straight up better player.
- 3:09I, I think he brings more. I think he's more dominant.
- 3:12He's more clutched. I think he's a better scorer.
- 3:14He's a better defender. Denny's got the got the size and
- 3:17the rebounding. And I mean, I'll give him credit
- 3:19for play making as well. But Kawhi Leonard's my pick
- 3:22here. So I'll, I'll open up with that.
- 3:23I mean, it doesn't have to be Denny who goes, but I just think
- 3:26that's probably the first one that I think of when I'm looking
- 3:29at that line up. And Kawhi Leonard is the one, to
- 3:32me, who absolutely deserves to get at least a mention.
- 3:35Yeah, I I'm going to agree with that one.
- 3:39I'm not going to say too much because I obviously have my own,
- 3:41but one of the things that Denny had the edge on Kawhi early was
- 3:45the record. Well, the Clippers have been the
- 3:47best team since Christmas in the NBA, and they've jumped the
- 3:51Blazers in the Western Conference standings.
- 3:54Kawhi not being on this list is insane.
- 3:56Satvir will kick it to you. One guy you think deserves it
- 3:59and one guy maybe not. Oh, man, I I guess for me out
- 4:07West, I've always been a Kevin Durant hater, will forever be a
- 4:12Kevin Durant hater. And I don't understand kind of,
- 4:17you know, putting him up this high.
- 4:20He's only had more of a recent stint of games where he's been,
- 4:23you know, carrying that rockets team.
- 4:25But overall, I think Shingoon's the best player on that Rockets
- 4:28team. If I had to, you know, flip flop
- 4:31anyone, at least on the Western Conference reserves.
- 4:35And then I'm looking out East here.
- 4:38Oh, man, this is also where it gets pretty tough if I'm going
- 4:41to take someone off. Oh, gosh, I guess Norman or
- 4:46yeah, Powell probably is the one guy that I could see getting off
- 4:50the roster or even Karl Anthony Towns is another name.
- 4:55Michael Porter Junior, I was honestly surprised he didn't
- 4:57make it. I know people are probably going
- 4:59to mention, you know, I guess the empty stats or whatnot.
- 5:03But I guess if Joel Embiid could, you know, have played a
- 5:08little bit better, he's been really good as of late.
- 5:10It's hard to argue for someone like that not to be in the
- 5:14Eastern Conference. So those are, I guess the first
- 5:17couple names that come to my mind, at least as far as also
- 5:22Kevin Durant being on the list or not Kevin Durant, LeBron
- 5:25James being on the list out West.
- 5:28Not shocking, but still. I think maybe we had the snub of
- 5:33like James Harden, who really carried this team while Kawhi
- 5:37Leonard was out and I feel like he didn't get the recognition
- 5:40for especially for his age. I mean, if a Norman Powell can
- 5:43get in there, I'm sure you can, you know, sneak James Harden in
- 5:46there as well. And have to agree with the Denny
- 5:48pick. I mean, take away the free
- 5:50throws and he pretty much is, you know, not as valuable as
- 5:55what his stats are saying. And I think me and Joe and
- 5:59anyone that's covered the Portland pre games, we've kind
- 6:02of been on him as the most overrated guy, at least on the
- 6:05team. And every time he faces us, he
- 6:08put some pretty abysmal numbers against the better opposition
- 6:11teams. He just kind of eats against,
- 6:15you know, lesser opponents. And then also, I mean the free
- 6:19throws are kind of getting out of hand, so.
- 6:22Jack will swing it to you. Yeah, before I get started, I
- 6:26just want to say two things. Jamal Murray and Jaylen Johnson
- 6:29making it is really cool, very much deserved.
- 6:32And it's it's refreshing to see players like that finally get
- 6:36respect and feels like it's not too far gone with all the snubs
- 6:40that did happen that if those guys got in, then I'm pretty
- 6:42happy with that. At least the second one is.
- 6:46Well, my, I guess my first snub is that Anthony Edwards should
- 6:49have been starting over Victor Wimbledon in the West as
- 6:52starters. If you don't agree, argue with a
- 6:55brick wall because I'm right. Anyway, going into my snubs.
- 7:01I mean, I've been thinking about this and I've kind of really
- 7:04questioning what it does mean to be an All Star.
- 7:06But then I guess popularity and how much of A highlight kind of
- 7:10player you are does affect that. So that's kind of why LeBron
- 7:13made it and some players like Kawhi didn't not maybe not my
- 7:19biggest snub because I think he might be a year away, but how
- 7:22like Norman Powell was last year.
- 7:23But Keonte George, I think the traction he got was really cool
- 7:27to see. And I mean, I wouldn't have
- 7:29minded seeing him in the All Star game.
- 7:31Obviously, I don't think it's too big of a snub, him not
- 7:34making it, but I'm happy that he did, like did at least get some
- 7:38talk. And I think he's one or two
- 7:40years away from getting it. But yeah, I have to agree,
- 7:43Denny, after you and deserves to make it for all the reasons you
- 7:47guys already said. But another two names I would
- 7:49argue is Pascal Siakam and Karl Anthony Towns in the East.
- 7:55I think both have been rather mediocre and disappointing this
- 7:58season, especially compared to them at their best.
- 8:01Katz definitely having one of the worst seasons of his career
- 8:04and Pascal's on the worst team in the NBA.
- 8:07And I just don't know how much All Star value that really has.
- 8:10They're not really putting up highlights or doing anything
- 8:13that the fan vote should sway in their way.
- 8:17So yeah, it was a bit confusing seeing that, but the East is
- 8:21pretty weak. But I think NB definitely should
- 8:23have made it over both of them. For me, I I agree with the
- 8:28Pascal and I I kind of I'm not going off topic when I say this.
- 8:32The NBA has a problem. You we shouldn't be one.
- 8:35We shouldn't be doing US Sabres world, the rosters, like I said,
- 8:38we'll get into a little bit. It's terrible.
- 8:41Like I think Jaylen Brown for the USA is the tallest guy in
- 8:43the starting lineup and for the world it's like Wembe Yokich and
- 8:49like SGA. That's just not all right.
- 8:51But with that being said, Pascal Siakam, we know he's a great
- 8:57player. He shouldn't be an All Star this
- 9:00year. His team is miserable.
- 9:02All Stars make their teams better.
- 9:03His team has been one of the worst in the league all year
- 9:06long. And I know that his, you know,
- 9:08starting point guard has been injured and they've had some
- 9:10other injuries there too. But Siakam can't get into the
- 9:13All Star game with thirteen wins.
- 9:14It just can't happen for me. I'm not a fan of the guy at all,
- 9:19but it's if you're going to let Pascal Siakam go to the All Star
- 9:23game with thirteen wins, you might as well let MPJ go to the
- 9:26All Star game. Michael Porter Junior has much
- 9:29more better stats than Siakam this year.
- 9:33Better stats, similar wins, but it's been extremely he's just
- 9:37been way better. When Porter Junior has played
- 9:40for the Nets, he's putting up crazy numbers, making eight to
- 9:4410 threes, 30 points. No matter, you know, however, he
- 9:48wants to get it and Cialkom's in a similar position.
- 9:50Like I always say. Well, MPJ won't do that on a
- 9:52contending team because he's not going to be able to shoot all
- 9:56the shots, right, because MPJ is getting like 20-5 shots up
- 9:59whenever he wants on the Nets. But Cialkom could do that on the
- 10:03patients this year. There aren't really any players
- 10:06around him. There's some decent players
- 10:09still, but he could still be taking over like MPJ does and I
- 10:12don't know, that just rubs me the wrong way that Tiaka makes
- 10:15it over. Porter junior Karl Anthony Towns
- 10:18as well. He's been pretty shitty.
- 10:21He's averaging 1911, which I guess is fine.
- 10:23The Knicks fans want him off their their team like that.
- 10:26That should just tell you this guy's not an All Star.
- 10:29And then for me, another one on the Western Conference.
- 10:31LeBron, I'm sorry, maybe it's because you know, he hasn't
- 10:36officially said it's his last year and people are speculating
- 10:39even though we all know it's going to be next year because
- 10:41he's going to win this tour, which is absolutely like he
- 10:43should. But there's a lot of better
- 10:46players. Like you guys brought up Kawhi.
- 10:49He's he's been better than LeBron all year.
- 10:52LeBron missed shit ton of games. Lucas still had them afloat.
- 10:56Kawhi's been carrying that shitty ass Clippers team on his
- 11:02back recently. I mean he's been one of the
- 11:03better scorers in the league. He leads the league in steals
- 11:07and they've been the best team since Christmas.
- 11:10So I don't know how he's left off.
- 11:12There's been speculation. There's been two things, one
- 11:15with his like money laundering thing that they don't want to
- 11:18put him in in the Jack had another good point earlier.
- 11:21It was just they want exciting players in the All Star game.
- 11:24Well, I just want the best players and I don't think LeBron
- 11:27deserves it over Kawhi. Also don't think LeBron deserves
- 11:29it over Alpern Sangoon. And I know some of you guys on
- 11:32the panel are going to disagree with me.
- 11:35I personally agree with Sapir. I think outside of the last week
- 11:38and a half stretch from Durant, I think Sangoon's been the best
- 11:41player on that team all year long.
- 11:42He's kind of there. He's kind of the guy on that
- 11:45team. Durant has the potential to
- 11:48score 36 to 40 points, but Sangoon's the probably their
- 11:53most consistent offensive player.
- 11:55He dominates the pain. He's not great defensively, but
- 11:58is anyone on that team outside Alman Thompson?
- 12:00I don't think so. Sangoon's a good shout.
- 12:03I think he's been better than LeBron this year.
- 12:04And then another guy that Jack mentioned, Keante George, he's
- 12:09been really good, right? And if we're going to put Siakam
- 12:12in there on the eastern side, why can't Keante George make it
- 12:16on the Western Conference side? I could argue that Keante George
- 12:20deserves over LeBron too. If you want to go compare their
- 12:22stats, I mean counties got better stats I guess it's the
- 12:26wins there but I I just don't enjoy that Lebrons making that
- 12:30this making it this year because he doesn't deserve it at all.
- 12:35There's another player who I wanted to shout out, but I think
- 12:39it's kind of crazy because of the team success that no one
- 12:41really saw coming. And this guy's been one of the
- 12:43big leaders on that team and that's Brandon Ingram.
- 12:46I mean, the Raptors are the four seed in the East.
- 12:47It seems crazy to me that he doesn't even get a nod.
- 12:50I mean, he's averaging over 24 points per game.
- 12:53He's I think it's over 24. Let me correct myself before I
- 12:56say something dumb. I am off 22, but still, he's
- 12:59having a very efficient season. And you want to talk about
- 13:00someone like Siakam, who he's got good stats, but his team's
- 13:03got thirteen wins. Why would why is why are we not
- 13:06giving the nod to the guy who's one of the leaders on a Raptors
- 13:09team that nobody saw being a top four team in the East when he's
- 13:12been a consistent player up for them all year?
- 13:14I mean, I know they gave Scotty Barnes the nod and you know,
- 13:17he's the leader. I'll give him that.
- 13:18But to act like Ingram isn't also a giant reason this team's
- 13:21gotten here, it's just crazy to me.
- 13:23I mean, he's been incredibly consistent.
- 13:25He's played 49 games this season.
- 13:27I mean, he's been constantly doing it, constantly helping out
- 13:30the team. And I've not heard of anybody
- 13:32even mention Brandon Ingram in in this sense.
- 13:34So that's a guy who you could easily switch, switch out Siakam
- 13:37for or Cat. It's just I I just don't get why
- 13:40no one's mentioning Ingram. Great shout, he's probably their
- 13:43best offensive player. I know Barnes is obviously their
- 13:47defensive anchor this year, but the team was shit until Ingram
- 13:50got traded there and this year we're starting to see that
- 13:53they're often flow a little better.
- 13:56Brandon Ingram definitely deserved a reserve spot in the
- 13:59East as well. You're right.
- 14:01Another one that I would make the argument for his former
- 14:04Thunder player Josh Giddy, 19, nine and 9:00.
- 14:08But then it leads me back to this, like what what are the
- 14:11conditions or the the terms to become an All Star?
- 14:14Because I feel like it's got a bit foggy now kind of drawing
- 14:17like crossing the line between a very good basketball player and
- 14:21also entertaining and like the highlight aspect because of the
- 14:24fan votes. So I think the whole All Star
- 14:27needs a whole rework. In my opinion.
- 14:29It's been pretty dismal the last couple years with the the mini
- 14:34tournament they've been running or people not trying and all
- 14:38that kind of stuff. And then like when you're
- 14:41thinking of who should make it, there's not really a set
- 14:43criteria as such. So you kind of jumble between a
- 14:46couple names and there's always going to be snubs in that sense.
- 14:50So I think they need to refigure the criteria and just go back to
- 14:53a normal game because I think they're doing too much when it
- 14:56comes to these games. And I would love to see it be
- 15:00competitive. But you got to check something
- 15:02on the line like home port advantage in the finals.
- 15:04That's been said for the last like 5 years but that's make it
- 15:08make it fun. That's the one right there.
- 15:10I mean, really quick SAP here, SAP here before I get to you.
- 15:13The MLB used to do it and their All Star game.
- 15:16It was the winner of would get home field advantage in in the
- 15:20World Series. And I mean what what's better
- 15:23than that? You want homecourt advantage in
- 15:24the NBA Finals? That's the only way they just
- 15:27got to get back to West versus east or honestly, even if you
- 15:30don't want to do that, get back to the drafting.
- 15:32You know, like when Durant and LeBron were drafting Giannis,
- 15:34LeBron, because this is terrible.
- 15:38We're we're going to watch. I mean, last year, I don't think
- 15:39it could get worse than last year's, but this year it's
- 15:44definitely going to come close to it.
- 15:45Zapper, do you have any more snubs?
- 15:47I do, I do. I have a couple here.
- 15:50I was looking through the list and I don't think Cat deserved
- 15:54it with all the names that we're mentioning out east.
- 15:56But has anyone mentioned the name Paulo Bancaro?
- 15:59Like are we forgetting this young talent out here out east?
- 16:05He's top 25 in NBA points and rebounds per game, also
- 16:08averaging about 5 assists nearly.
- 16:11And I mean his the record 25 and 3 is more indicated by his early
- 16:17misses, like of the games that he missed.
- 16:20I think otherwise he'd probably be more considered.
- 16:23But I think over a guy like Cat with the way his season has
- 16:26gone, I think he should definitely be in there.
- 16:29Mancura's a name. We could even mention Desmond
- 16:33Bain, 19 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists.
- 16:36And I feel like out east he he could at least deserve a nod for
- 16:42a magic team. I already mentioned Joel and B
- 16:44James Harden. Brandon Ingram's been mentioned
- 16:47and Kawhi, but the other name, this one's kind of peculiar that
- 16:51we're missing him. He doesn't come to mind.
- 16:53But Lori Markinen is averaging 27 points.
- 16:58I feel like, you know, he's someone that should be mentioned
- 17:03here. I think he's made All Star team
- 17:06three straight seasons since 2023 or something like that or
- 17:11up until that point. So for him to miss and us, you
- 17:15know, mentioning maybe Kiante, I think he he deserves a nod as
- 17:18well. I think a few of these reserves,
- 17:22quite frankly, like a guy like Sangoon, I don't think he made
- 17:27it because they needed more guys on the Team USA.
- 17:31Like if they had another 7 foot big to that World Team.
- 17:34And I can bring it up, I don't know.
- 17:37I mean, it's going to be for for the starters, for Team USA
- 17:43believe it's like Cade, Jalen Brunson, like Tyrese Maxi, Steph
- 17:51and and Giannis or and Jalen Brown, like they're going to get
- 17:55dominated against a team like Luka Doncic, SGA Yokich, Wenban,
- 18:03Yama and Giannis, sorry, and Giannis, Giannis is would be on
- 18:09the World Team. That's just not OK.
- 18:12That's just not OK. And I do believe that some guys
- 18:15missed a cut because of that. I also think that I'm not sure
- 18:21if Donovan Mitchell is Team USA or not.
- 18:24He's mentioned multiple times that he he won't be USA for the
- 18:27Olympics, so why would he be Team USA for the All Star game?
- 18:32That's another player that goes to the world where the reserves
- 18:37for the US team are left with like Norman Powell, Dionne Dern.
- 18:45Does anyone know if Towns is going to be Team USA because.
- 18:47He's Dominican, or. He's or.
- 18:50Bahamas or whatever he plays. For Dominican Republic, yeah.
- 18:55You're going to get like Devin Booker, even guys like Danny
- 18:59Avia, Jamal Murray, they're going to join the world.
- 19:04This is going to be a shit show. This is really going to suck.
- 19:08And it's funny because like you're seeing like, sorry, Jack,
- 19:10I'm just going to finish up with like you just saw the Team US
- 19:15take home the gold. Well, now that you're going to
- 19:18get absolutely demolished in this All Star format because. 1.
- 19:22Missing some players and two, I mean, you got Yokich and went
- 19:27Banyama on the same fucking team.
- 19:29You can't beat that. You can't beat that.
- 19:31Well, we have 5 MVPS and pretty much the starting lineup on, you
- 19:38know, out West and yeah, the Team USA pretty much had no
- 19:44chance. I guess this is what they wanted
- 19:48to see, but I think they did it a little too late.
- 19:49Maybe in the 20 tens 2000s this would have been a lot more fun
- 19:53for the US, but I think this is probably a eye opening
- 19:56experience dude. SGA, Luka, Giannis, Wenbe,
- 20:00Yokish. Against It's stupid and I just
- 20:04don't think that I think the NBA like commissioners and everyone
- 20:10is just scrambling because All Stars been such a flop recently
- 20:13and if they sat down for one second and went who's actually
- 20:16on the world and saw the potential teams, I don't think
- 20:20they would have gone with this idea.
- 20:21But I think it all just goes back to how terrible your side
- 20:25game has become and how they're just trying anything now to to
- 20:30mix it up. But this is not.
- 20:32I don't think anyone is hyped for this year's All Star.
- 20:35That's a perfect transition here.
- 20:37I do want to get off the snubs. And whoever made it made it
- 20:41already, right? So we can't even change it.
- 20:43What's one thing that all of us would do to make the All Star
- 20:47game itself good? Because clearly it's one of it's
- 20:53probably, well, the Pro Bowl fell off really bad too, but
- 20:56it's it's miserable. It's the worst thing I've ever
- 20:59seen in my life. So Gabe, I'll start with you,
- 21:02whether it's going back to the original East versus West, the
- 21:05drafting, whatever you want. What would you do to make NBA
- 21:08All Star exciting? I actually really like the idea
- 21:12of drafting and not doing E 1st West.
- 21:15I think that's fun. It provides almost like a
- 21:17playground PE type feel. You know where you got the 2
- 21:21captains and you watch as they go back and forth drafting.
- 21:23I think that's fun. But in terms of what I think
- 21:26needs to happen, I think there's several things to make All Star
- 21:29Weekend better in general. 1 the dunk contest has got to get
- 21:33better. Like we've ever since the Aaron
- 21:36Gordon Zach have been dunk contest.
- 21:37It's just been, let's get 4 random guys, some who don't even
- 21:42really dunk that well. Like they're good at dunking,
- 21:45but they're just not like like this year's dunk contest.
- 21:48I don't even know who's in it so far, but I remember seeing one
- 21:50person that I was like, why? Oh, it was, yes.
- 21:53Jackson Hayes. What, just 'cause he did one
- 21:56East Bay, he did a fast break East Bay and they're like, put
- 21:59him in the dunk contest. Come on, bro.
- 22:02So that's one thing is yeah, no, Mack will not be doing it.
- 22:06He said that. So that's one thing.
- 22:08This is not something that they Yeah.
- 22:10And Carter Bryant, this is not something that the the NBA
- 22:12necessarily can fix, but like players need to do the dunk
- 22:16contest again, I don't know why guys like Jaw and Zion aren't
- 22:19doing the dunk contest like the. NBA can fix that though.
- 22:22Give an incentive. Shit ton of money.
- 22:24Yeah, have an incentive based, but like even then they
- 22:28shouldn't have to do that as my point.
- 22:30Like it annoys me that all these guys refuse to participate in
- 22:34unless there's some kind of incentive.
- 22:36But yeah, OK, so maybe they provide an incentive that makes
- 22:39it more fun. But going back to the game
- 22:40itself, talking about doing it with, you know, drafting and
- 22:43what not, same thing we just said, start providing a damn
- 22:47incentive if that's what it takes to get them to try harder.
- 22:50Please. Start, start giving whatever
- 22:53incentive it takes because it's really on like the biggest
- 22:57stigma for people who don't watch the NBA is that they don't
- 23:00try. And then you turn on the All
- 23:01Star game and it's like, wow, this is this is what people
- 23:05think of the NBA is because there's all these guys who just
- 23:08don't care. And if you guys know anything
- 23:11about me, you know, I do not like Victor Women.
- 23:12Yeah. But I will give him so much
- 23:14credit for the way that he treats the All Star game and the
- 23:16way that he's been trying to talk about the All Star game by
- 23:18saying we need to be treating this like we want to actually
- 23:21win. And I'm I think that's the way
- 23:24it should be. I mean, they can have like,
- 23:25there's definitely fun to be had.
- 23:27I don't want him to start, you know, taking it so seriously
- 23:30that it's not fun anymore. The reason they do it is because
- 23:32you're watching the best in the world throw each other lobs and
- 23:36get big blocks and do all these crazy stuff.
- 23:38Why is there's no reason that the competitive competitiveness
- 23:41is just gone? Like there's no reason for that.
- 23:44No one wants to try that hard. They don't want to get, I don't
- 23:46know if it's an injury problem. I don't know if it's a we're not
- 23:48getting paid problem. If it isn't, we're not getting
- 23:50paid problem. That's ridiculous because
- 23:52they're some of the most rich athletes in the world.
- 23:54But ultimately, if it takes providing yet another incentive,
- 23:58do it. Because something's got to
- 24:00change. This is just not fun anymore.
- 24:01Yeah, I mean, it is the incentive, and I'll tell you
- 24:04why. It just is what it is.
- 24:06Like you said, well, they're the richest athletes in the world.
- 24:08Yeah, that might be true, but they all want money.
- 24:11You see what happens in the NBA Cup tournament, regular season
- 24:15tournament. You know when they get
- 24:17interviewed after win Oh, you guys look like you played like a
- 24:20playoff atmosphere game and they're all like well, there's
- 24:22money on the line. Well, if the NBA wasn't so
- 24:24selfish, right, the NBA doesn't need more money.
- 24:27Get rid of your dumbass in season tournament regular season
- 24:31and throw that money to the All Star game.
- 24:34That's all you have to do give these guys money.
- 24:38If you win, you get this much money and they're all going to
- 24:41want to play. That's literally.
- 24:43All they have to do. I have a different idea where
- 24:47you give other people things. OK, so the captains of each All
- 24:53Star team, they choose a charity, the players, it could
- 24:58be a draft, it could be E 1st West, whatever.
- 25:01There's two teams, right? Because we're not doing a
- 25:03bullshit four team tournament versus 5 points, whatever.
- 25:08They spend a week volunteering for this charity, getting up
- 25:11close. So it might be homelessness.
- 25:13You know, they're out in the community really understanding
- 25:15the issue. And then the winner gets like
- 25:20donates however much money to their charity.
- 25:23And I'd hope that would make them want to play a bit harder.
- 25:26That's the only thing I can really think of.
- 25:27But outside of that, like, I don't think there's a money
- 25:32incentive you can give these dudes because they could just
- 25:34like call up any brand and be like, Oh yeah, I want this much
- 25:37money for an ad and then they'll get it.
- 25:39So. But we need more players like
- 25:42Wemby who changed the culture to it.
- 25:44But I don't know. I've we've seen players like
- 25:47Ant, there's been stories of him with the terminally ill children
- 25:51where he wears their wristbands, that kind of thing.
- 25:52And I think that side of NBA like gives them a bit of
- 25:56motivation and meaning behind that their play.
- 25:59And that's the only thing I can really think of.
- 26:01But yeah, I don't know. And I mean, they've tried
- 26:06charity based rewards before, but I think if you pair it with
- 26:11like the NBA Cares program and really make it a full week of
- 26:16charitable that causes, I think it could be could be quite cool
- 26:20little exposure for for these charities.
- 26:24And I mean good, good, good karma for the players, I guess
- 26:29so, yeah. I'll drop in my idea.
- 26:36There's two things NBA players care about and, and this is in
- 26:41no particular order because I still have yet to figure out
- 26:44what each of these guys actually care about, but it's pretty much
- 26:48pride and money. So we're going to do a huge
- 26:53jackpot, earnings of $10 million to the winner. 10 million's a
- 26:58big enough cause for these to for these guys to go out and
- 27:02play 5 to $10 million. You know, they could start it
- 27:06off with five and then increase it every year by like 1,000,000.
- 27:09This is the NBA we're talking about.
- 27:11This is a billion dollar organization, but we're going to
- 27:15be doing a 1V1 tournament because on top of the fact that
- 27:19they love money, they hate losing 1V1 and having bragging
- 27:24rights over the other player. And when you're directly faced
- 27:28with your All Star competitor or let's say you're a reserve and
- 27:32you're facing against a guy that was named as an All Star
- 27:35starter, I feel like that kind of gives you that extra bit of
- 27:39motivation to go out and play, you know, that much harder.
- 27:43So you could do one bracket on the East and one bracket out
- 27:46West and then both of the finalists kind of meet up in a,
- 27:51you know, playoff atmosphere type vibe.
- 27:54I feel like that would be really fun.
- 27:56We haven't seen one. V13V3 has taken off really well
- 28:00outside the NBA in WNBA, even around, you know, the older NBA
- 28:05circle. And the reason that's taken off
- 28:08is because we kind of like that personal battle and the guys
- 28:12just seem to care a little bit more when it's a little bit more
- 28:15isolated. So I think in A1V1 tournament,
- 28:19if you saw like SGA versus Anthony Edwards, I mean, I'm
- 28:22sure these guys would not just, you know, dilly dally around and
- 28:27get embarrassed one way or the other.
- 28:28So if they're involved in it, I'm sure they would try.
- 28:32I bet you half of them wouldn't even sign up 'cause there's so
- 28:34much pride. There's so much pride in ego in
- 28:37the NBA that they don't want to get exposed.
- 28:39But with A1. V Tournament.
- 28:41I love the idea. I think every NBA.
- 28:43Fan like imagine Jaylen Brown in A1V1 tournament absolutely
- 28:47getting exposed 'cause he can't go to one side or the other.
- 28:50Or like Julius Randle, same example, but like it'd be really
- 28:54fun to just see like them, you know, isolated without their
- 28:58teammates and like, let's say a guy like barely has a jump shot
- 29:02and he's out there or isn't, you know, good enough with their
- 29:05handles or their driving ability.
- 29:08That would be a great time to like expose those guys and
- 29:11having like a crowd, kind of like Rucker park type vibe where
- 29:14guys are making fun of you after you lose or they're storming the
- 29:17court after you win. I think that would add that
- 29:20atmosphere that they're looking for.
- 29:23So that's my idea. Yeah, I love all the ideas.
- 29:27One thing I kind of got from this episode was NBA players
- 29:31want money and they like money. And I think that's just like the
- 29:34only way, really. I love Jack's charity idea.
- 29:39Unfortunately, I just don't. I don't know.
- 29:42I don't know if that's going to push him.
- 29:44Yeah, no, I. They've done the.
- 29:46Charity. They've done the charities
- 29:48before and like they've even brought the kids of the
- 29:52charities into the games and it was still not enough.
- 29:56So like, I don't think that you could do anything.
- 29:59I don't think it's going to be, but these guys make so much
- 30:01money and if they want more money, like if they want the
- 30:04sign that they'd get from the All Star, they can just start an
- 30:06ad campaign and they'll get it. So I don't think money's a big
- 30:10enough motivator. I think it's genuinely just got
- 30:12to be dudes like Wembe who used to be a fan.
- 30:15And, well, maybe it's even because Wemby's just like Next
- 30:18Generation who kind of grew up with too, though.
- 30:21So I don't know if we're, you know, we'll.
- 30:23See, yeah, but maybe he grew up with the more mediocre All Star
- 30:27games as it was declining and these guys like Katie and stuff
- 30:30were grew up when it was fun, so they didn't understand what it
- 30:34was like as a fan to watch it. Maybe maybe that's why Wemby's
- 30:37coming in and saying he wants to change it.
- 30:39But like, credit to Wemby. And I think that's the only real
- 30:42way that this is going to change is the players just.
- 30:46Well we know one thing caring about the fan going to show up
- 30:48for the All Star game so. You better.
- 30:50Hopefully you better. The last thing I was just going
- 30:54to bring up was another unfortunate circumstance and the
- 30:58last All Star game that was good and competitive was the year
- 31:02that Kobe Bryant died. And it was just a couple months
- 31:04after he'd passed away. And these players woke up and
- 31:07said, all right, we're going to put on a show.
- 31:08It's going to be really competitive.
- 31:10They had a, the format was OK, it was for Kobe, but just a game
- 31:14itself was extremely competitive.
- 31:16And it's been shit ever since then.
- 31:20And obviously we don't need anyone dying, but that was the
- 31:24only time the players really kind of put on a real game.
- 31:30Joe, can I add on to that fact? You just kind of sparked my
- 31:34brain there. We also, since that moment,
- 31:37we've also lost the NBA veterans from the NBA pretty much all
- 31:42together. Like there's some out there that
- 31:45kind of survived, but as far as like still remaining in the NBA,
- 31:49like they had to be super athletes or whatever else.
- 31:52But for the most part, like we used to have a lot more vets on
- 31:56the rosters. And I feel like once that
- 31:59decline occurred, the effort and energy in the All Star game is
- 32:05also kind of declined as well. Because even the new guys that
- 32:08come in, they're like, oh, if LeBron doesn't have to try, we
- 32:11don't have to try in the All Star game.
- 32:13And because LeBron, Curry and all these guys make it year
- 32:17after year, they're more concerned about protecting their
- 32:19bodies and the load management. So it's like a combination of
- 32:23load management, these guys having the egos of, oh, we're
- 32:27not, you know, we don't need to try our hardest.
- 32:30And I guess that hunger isn't there when you've made it that
- 32:34many times. But I think with the new Gen.
- 32:36guys coming in, replacing the old guard is going to help that
- 32:40a ton as well. I think that's a good point.
- 32:42I think that's a good point. That being said, do you guys
- 32:45have anything else on this topic or?
- 32:48I do. I do have, I have one question
- 32:50for you guys. So give me one bold prediction
- 32:55for the game itself. Like if there's someone that you
- 32:58think is going to win MVP, if you think someone's going to do
- 33:02a Tomahawk 360 windmill on Wimbunyama or whatever, you
- 33:07know, whatever your wildest imagination guess could be for
- 33:10this game, someone's dropping 75 points, 50 points, 100 points.
- 33:17I see Jack over there. What do you think, Jack?
- 33:20One bold prediction. I think my bold prediction is
- 33:27kind of predicting the players. I mean on this topic, the
- 33:29players that will actually try and I think Jamal Murray and
- 33:32Jaylen Johnson, those two are going to bring energy and
- 33:36actually play the game. So that would be my bold
- 33:39prediction that those guys are going to hopefully bring the
- 33:42culture that won't be is trying to install in the Soul Star
- 33:45game. Joe yes.
- 33:51Yeah, I think, I think my prediction is that I'll be
- 33:56turning it off. No, I'm joking.
- 33:59It's a round Robin tournament. There's four games.
- 34:03Each game is 12 minutes. So all this tournament BS is
- 34:06still continuing to happen. Just breaking it down before I
- 34:09give you my quick prediction. In the in the tournament, team A
- 34:14will play team B in game one. The winning team from game one
- 34:18will take on team C in Game 2, followed by the losing team
- 34:22beating team C in game three. And then there's a championship
- 34:27game. God, that sucks for me.
- 34:31My, my prediction was is just SGA is going to win the MVP.
- 34:34I don't even know how you get All Star MVP.
- 34:38I guess you have to win the the championship, so you have to win
- 34:41three games, 312 minute games. But I think there's one thing
- 34:47that SGA doesn't have and it's an All Star MVP, so let's go get
- 34:50that one. Final, final MVP.
- 34:54Yeah, I think I have one personal thing who I like think
- 34:58individual individually will do good at, but then another just
- 35:01like general thing. I think we see AI, think we see
- 35:03a poster. I'm definitely feeling someone's
- 35:05going to just absolutely body someone.
- 35:07I think recently more guys have been trying to play a little
- 35:10more defense under the hoop. So I could see someone, someone,
- 35:14maybe Wendy, we'll see someone going up trying to get a block
- 35:17and just getting absolutely bodied.
- 35:20But I think Tyrese Max is going to cook.
- 35:21I feel like Max is one of those guys who absolutely is going to
- 35:24be putting up threes similar to that a couple years ago when
- 35:26Dame went crazy and was just pulling from 60 feet out.
- 35:31I mean, I can see Maxi doing the same thing, just having a
- 35:33ridiculous game just because I feel like he's he's one of the
- 35:37younger guys who I think has the spark and he wants to have fun
- 35:40but also wants to win. And I could see him being one of
- 35:43the guys that's just going to absolutely light it up.
- 35:45But what do you think? Cyber?
- 35:47Oh man, if I had to guess, goodness, I think I know you
- 35:55mentioned it split up into four teams.
- 35:57I'm guessing, you know, Team World is kind of split up in
- 35:59half. I think both the Team World
- 36:07teams are going to beat the Team USA teams so badly that it may
- 36:14keep LeBron and Steph Curry in the league that much longer for
- 36:192028 Olympics. I'm not even joking.
- 36:22I think it may be just so bad that the analysts are going to
- 36:27be so on that storyline of what are we going to do in 2028 when
- 36:30we have to see all these Team World players that they're going
- 36:34to be looking to guys like Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, LeBron
- 36:37James, whoever, you know, these old guard guys that are getting
- 36:41closer to retirement. Maybe not LeBron, obviously, I
- 36:43don't think he's going to make it that far.
- 36:45Maybe not. Maybe he is.
- 36:46But I think they're going to look to those guys to stay a
- 36:49little bit longer, at least for that 2028 Olympic run because of
- 36:52this beat down that the Team World teams are going to do.
- 36:55So yeah, I. Actually I could see that
- 36:58happening. Like Steph and KD, definitely.
- 37:02One last thing that I forgot to mention before we wrap up here.
- 37:05The way these teams were or these All Stars were voted in,
- 37:10if there wasn't an exact number of World players and USA players
- 37:16voted in on each side, The commissioner, Adam Silver just
- 37:20hand chose who he wanted to be an All Star this year.
- 37:24So that's where we are with the NBA All Star voting the game or
- 37:28the four games we'll see this year.
- 37:32Shit show. But other than that, that's it
- 37:35for me. Are you guys all set?
- 37:37Yeah. All right, that's going to do it
- 37:39here. Bring the Thunder podcast
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- 37:45Can't believe it's been 37 episodes already.
- 37:47We will be doing some stuff for the All Star game.
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- 38:05Can't wait. We've already started recording
- 38:073. Not going to give any hints to
- 38:10who's you know, shitting it up already, but it's definitely me
- 38:14with that. But all right, I'll stop.
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