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Jenny Hull - Dense Updates | Clydesdale Chat Sessions · Clydesdale Media Podcast

• 0:13
  What is going on, everybody?
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  Welcome to the Clydesdale Media Podcast.
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  My name is Scott Switzer.
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  I'm the Clydesdale.
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  I have with me someone new to the scene,
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  kind of, but not really.
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  Her name is Jenny Hall.
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  You may know her as Dense Updates,
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  but she has popped on the
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  scene giving us updates
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  about all the content going
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  on in the CrossFit space,
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  and we're here to get to know her.
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  So what's going on, Jenny?
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  Hey, good morning.
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  How are you?
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  I'm good.
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  I'm good.
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  So it's funny.
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  I've been following you
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  since before your Dense Updates.
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  Yes.
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  Dense after forty.
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  Yeah.
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  And you were Dense Mom for a minute too,
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  right?
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  Like Dense Mom something.
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  Maybe.
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  I think I changed,
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  I used to change the name
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  in the profile a couple of
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  times just to try to be funny.
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  One time I think I changed
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  my name to Potster.
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  Just like my profile name
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  because I had posted something and
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  a few athletes weren't happy with me.
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  So I, and then I quickly changed it back.
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  That's mom.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, so, uh,
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  Damien Fink says her stuff has been going,
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  gaining popularity.
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  Well,
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  why do you think we have her on here?
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  Well, I appreciate you having me on.
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  Yeah.
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  And this is your first ever podcast.
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  First ever podcast.
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  We take pride in having
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  people on for the first time.
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  Colton Mertens did his first
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  podcast with us.
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  I love Colton.
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  He's such a good dude.
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  Emma Carey.
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  So that's something we take
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  pride in is people who dive
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  into not necessarily all
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  the big names in the space,
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  but kind of that next tier
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  and hope that they get to
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  that upper tier.
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  So we're super excited to
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  have you on here.
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  I want to start with...
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  learning a little bit more
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  about you and kind of your origin story.
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  Yeah.
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  So I started doing CrossFit
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  in two thousand and ten.
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  So I've been around for
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  quite a while and kind of
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  the typical story, you know,
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  visit a CrossFit gym.
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  Some friends from work had
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  brought me to the gym that they go to and
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  Did a workout and was like, oh my God,
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  that was so hard.
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  But then was like finding
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  myself back there the next
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  day and then the next day.
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  And then my week trial was
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  up and I was like, yeah, sign me up.
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  And then just never looked back.
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  Here we are, fourteen years later.
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  That was all the way back in
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  two thousand ten.
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  So the end of two thousand ten,
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  just before my thirtieth birthday,
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  I was just kind of like
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  looking for something different.
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  I'd already done, you know,
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  like running on the
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  treadmill and narrow stance
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  squats in the rack at
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  Lifetime Fitness kind of thing.
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  And I was just looking for
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  something different.
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  And the guys that I worked
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  with came back from lunch
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  one day and they were all
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  sweaty and gross.
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  And I'm like, where did you guys go?
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  And they're like,
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  Oh,
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  we went in this warehouse and did this
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  workout.
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  It was like P-Ninety X style.
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  You probably wouldn't like it.
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  I'm like, I'll go.
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  And then, yeah, it was brutal.
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  I still remember that first
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  day we had to do wall balls,
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  like on the outside of this warehouse.
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  They didn't have like a wall
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  ball target or anything indoors.
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  It was outside in the sun.
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  just shooting it up on the
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  side of the warehouse wall.
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  Like no line, just throw it anywhere.
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  It was, it was awful.
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  But yeah, I loved it.
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  I'm going to trade it.
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  My first workout ever was Murph.
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  Oh geez.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Not, not pretty for a guy.
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  Not the first one.
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  Yeah.
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  I just remember the wall balls.
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  I honestly don't remember
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  anything else that was in it.
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  Cause I just remember like
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  hitting myself in the face
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  with the ball and like not being able to,
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  get it far up there and
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  looking around like, oh my God,
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  these people must think I'm so foolish.
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  But yeah,
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  then everyone cheers you on and
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  you're like, oh, okay.
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  Yeah.
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  So were you always into fitness?
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  Did you do athletics as a kid?
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  No, I mean, I wasn't an athlete per se.
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  I did dance for a lot of years.
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  When I was nine, my mom, I lived in,
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  I grew up in Northern
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  California and my mom was
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  really into like the country dancing,
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  which doesn't seem like it
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  would be a thing in California.
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  But she would drag me around
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  to all these like family dance things.
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  And I just started,
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  I learned how to dance and then ended up
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  just getting really
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  competitive with that and
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  did that until pretty much
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  until I graduated high school.
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  My junior year,
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  we won a world championship in Nashville.
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  So that was kind of fun, but it was,
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  I say dancing is just as
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  hard as any other kind of sport.
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  There's a lot of eight hour practices,
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  just madness,
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  practicing every night after school for,
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  you know, almost ten years straight.
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  Yeah,
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  I know one of my original co-hosts
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  and still with us is Kat,
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  and she studied ballet all
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  the way up through high school,
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  and the hours she did were
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  just as grueling as anything I did.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah,
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  I got teased a lot for it in high school,
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  but it was good times
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  because we did two-step, country,
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  West Coast swing.
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  Country was not cool back then.
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  It seemed to be a little bit
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  more popular towards the
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  end of high school.
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  Yeah.
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  But it definitely gave me
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  like a lot of body awareness.
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  So I think that kind of
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  transferred over when it
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  came to CrossFit.
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  I picked up pull-ups really quickly,
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  double-unders, things like that,
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  butterfly pull-ups,
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  like that kind of stuff
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  like immediately just made sense to me.
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  Whereas some of the other
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  like technical stuff like
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  in the snatch and ring
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  muscle-ups and things like
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  that were a little bit harder.
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  So I went back through your
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  Instagram and like is back,
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  not as far as I could.
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  And I read a thing where you
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  were diagnosed at one point
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  with something and the
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  doctor wanted you to be
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  less active and to start
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  medication and you chose to
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  take it on with CrossFit.
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  Can you walk us through what
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  happened then?
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  Yeah.
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  So I was probably, let's see,
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  it was before I moved here.
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  So twenty four, twenty five,
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  somewhere around there,
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  I just started feeling like
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  really run down and would get like random,
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  crampy, aching feelings all over my body.
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  And then, you know, I was like, OK,
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  I should probably get out and run more,
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  do stuff like that.
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  And certain things would
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  kind of counterbalance it.
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  And I would find myself
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  feeling better and then not
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  feeling better.
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  But then
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  closer to my thirties,
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  but right before we moved out here, it,
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  it just seemed to take a
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  massive toll on me.
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  And I contribute a lot of
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  that back then to maybe stress,
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  life stress.
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  I was a single mom and
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  living on my own and things like that.
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  But yeah, so went to a couple of doctors.
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  We did all the kinds of blood tests,
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  all the things you could think of.
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  And they basically were just like,
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  we think you have lupus.
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  And I was like, what's that?
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  And then you start looking
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  into it and they're like,
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  can't be out in the sunlight.
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  And yeah,
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  You have to be on therapy medications,
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  you know, to combat all those symptoms.
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  And I'm just like, that doesn't like,
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  I knew a girl in high
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  school that had lupus and it didn't,
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  it didn't seem right to me.
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  And so I wanted to get a second opinion.
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  So I went and saw a couple
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  other doctors and they all
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  kind of came back to the same conclusion.
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  I was like, well, shit.
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  So then I never started my
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  treatment in Arizona where I lived.
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  I waited, I came back out here and,
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  went and saw another doctor.
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  I won't say the name of the clinic,
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  but it's a well-known like
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  rheumatoid arthritis type
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  clinic and they treat lupus as well.
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  And yeah,
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  so they just wanted to start me
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  on therapies and medications.
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  And I was just like that, let me,
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  let me do some research.
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  So I just went down the
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  rabbit hole of different
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  things and it was like, okay, maybe,
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  maybe this stress and my
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  lifestyle has a little bit to do with it.
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  Maybe I should stop smoking.
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  Maybe I shouldn't
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  go out as often with my
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  friends and have drinks or
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  eat Taco Bell and, you know,
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  things like that.
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  So I slowly kind of started
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  doing my own thing there.
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  And then when I found
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  CrossFit shortly after, honestly,
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  I started noticing like big changes.
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  And then it was like six months later,
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  I felt like I had zero symptoms.
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  And haven't had any sense.
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  So I was like, all right, doctors.
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  How much do you attribute to
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  the physical exertion of
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  CrossFit and how much to
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  like changing your diet?
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  I honestly think it was a
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  combination of everything.
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  And it's hard to really say
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  because it wasn't like I just.
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  cut one thing at once I kind
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  of was starting all of it
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  at the same time so it's
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  really hard to say like oh
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  it's because I changed my
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  diet because don't get me
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  wrong like I still would go
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  out with my friends and
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  have drinks every once in a
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  while if I could get a
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  babysitter um and I was
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  still wasn't eating that
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  great it's you know a few
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  years into CrossFit or when
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  people really start like
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  trying the different zone
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  diets and paleo and things
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  like that so at first it
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  was more I was just
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  trying to do what made me
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  feel better and I would cut little things,
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  but, um,
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  I will say like three weeks after
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  doing CrossFit,
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  I quit smoking cold Turkey.
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  Mike was like, I can't do this anymore.
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  I can't breathe during these workouts.
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  And that was great.
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  Yeah.
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  that's got to be a big one
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  yeah I had smoked for many
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  years and now I'm just like
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  it's so gross yeah I grew
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  up in a house with two
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  parents who smoked and um
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  when I moved out like just
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  being around it now I can't
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  even handle it it's yeah um uh but
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  So you're a single mom at the time.
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  How hard is it to work a full-time job,
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  be a single mom and find
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  time for you to get fitness in?
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  Honestly, I mean, it wasn't,
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  it wasn't as hard as I
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  think people would think it would be like,
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  yeah,
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  being a single mom is hard and you
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  got to go to work every day and
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  drive through traffic to get
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  your kids and do all the things.
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  But she would just come
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  along with me and the
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  community was really
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  inviting and welcoming and
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  other people there had kids.
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  And so our kids would kind
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  of just play around outside
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  and it was fun.
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  really more like fun for them.
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  And then sometimes they
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  could come in and like do
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  little workouts by the side of us.
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  I think maybe had it been a
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  different environment of a gym,
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  because I know some gyms
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  are a little more of a
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  younger crowd or more competitive crowd.
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  And at that particular gym I
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  was at at the time, everybody, you know,
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  there were lots of kids running around.
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  So that made it really easy.
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  And honestly, she was such a great kid.
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  She didn't really put up a fuss.
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  Like she'd just come and
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  hang out and she'd cheer us on.
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  And
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  then we go home, eat dinner and go to bed.
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  Uh,
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  I've seen pictures of you and your
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  daughter doing handstand
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  hold like competition.
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  Yeah.
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  Is that your oldest daughter?
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  So that is actually, um, my middle.
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  So my oldest just left for college.
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  She, um,
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  goes to Baylor full ride scholarship.
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  So very lucky there.
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  She's a real smart girl.
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  Um, and she used to do CrossFit with me.
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  Um,
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  She'd been around it since she was five.
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  And then at some point in high school,
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  her academic schedule and
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  all of her extracurriculars
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  kind of got in the way.
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  So it took a backseat,
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  but she's hoping to start back up.
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  And then that's my middle
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  child in the most recent videos.
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  She's been doing gymnastics
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  now for about a year.
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  And so I'm always like, come on, Madison,
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  let's go.
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  Let's see.
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  Can you beat mom?
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  Let's go.
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  And she's getting there.
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  She's going to beat me soon.
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  So it's so cool.
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  Cause like I have a similar story.
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  If I tried to go to like
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  lifetime with my daughter,
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  it would have never worked.
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  No.
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  Yeah.
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  When you go to CrossFit and,
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  and you're there with five
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  other sets of parents who
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  all brought their kids and
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  then those kids kind of get
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  to know each other and grow up together.
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  Yeah.
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  It actually became a beautiful thing.
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  And my daughter just
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  graduated from college.
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  So like I'm even on another step up, um,
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  which is crazy.
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  Yeah, it is crazy.
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  I love seeing all the kids.
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  Like our gym is,
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  has grown a lot over the years,
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  but we've always had like a tight,
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  like mom group, we call it.
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  So at one point I wasn't
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  working full time and I was
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  at home taking care of the two littles.
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  And so
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  Our mom class kind of just
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  all of a sudden just blew up.
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  It was ten or twelve of us moms,
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  and all of us brought the kids,
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  and they'd all play.
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  And now all the kids do CrossFit Kids,
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  and they compete with each other.
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  And we're getting to kind of
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  see the evolution of their
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  fitness along with ours.
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  It's really cool.
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  So you have one going off to college,
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  and you have two others.
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  How old are they?
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  Two more girls.
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  So three girls total.
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  Eight and nine.
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  Oh, nice.
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  Nice.
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  Yeah.
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  So back to back, um, I got remarried, um,
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  had Matson in, um,
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  did that part that did that open pregnant,
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  had her at the end of may
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  or at the beginning of may, I'm sorry.
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  And then found out when she
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  was five months old that I
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  was pregnant with my youngest.
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  Um, she was kind of a surprise.
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  Um,
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  so had to do the next year's open also
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  pregnant.
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  which was fun.
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  Yeah.
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  And did I see in your
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  Instagram that with one of the kids,
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  your water actually broke
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  while working out?
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  Yes.
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  With the little, with the youngest.
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  Yeah.
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  I,
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  so I actually had to be put on bedrest
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  for a couple of weeks with her.
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  My blood pressure was
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  getting really high and
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  they attributed it to just
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  having babies so close back to back.
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  Like they say,
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  your uterus doesn't have time to,
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  you know,
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  I didn't get to do all the birth
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  fit things and the things
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  that are out there now that
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  kind of help you with
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  pelvic floor issues and
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  all that sort of stuff.
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  And so they say just having
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  them so close back to back.
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  But anyways,
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  I was on bed rest for a couple
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  of weeks and then they
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  released me and they're like, oh,
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  you're fine.
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  And I want to say about a
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  week and a half later.
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  Yeah.
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  We're just doing a wall ball
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  workout and about twelve wall balls in.
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  Everyone's like, oh, my God.
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  And they just ran me out to the car,
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  grabbed my kid out of the
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  child care and drove myself
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  to the hospital.
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  And four hours later, there's Lucy.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  What a testament though,
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  that you're able to work
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  out all the way up, uh, until that point.
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  Yeah.
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  I actually felt really good with,
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  with both of them.
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  Like never really had any kind of issues.
• 15:35
  I'd scale where I needed to scale.
• 15:37
  Um,
• 15:38
  the first one I did a little bit more
• 15:40
  running longer throughout that pregnancy,
• 15:42
  but with the second one,
• 15:44
  I didn't feel like running as much.
• 15:45
  So I cut that back really early on.
• 15:48
  Um,
• 15:49
  But like after Madison,
• 15:50
  after my middle child, she,
• 15:52
  I was back in the gym like
• 15:54
  a week and a half later and
• 15:55
  I felt really good.
• 15:56
  And I think I even did a
• 15:58
  competition that summer.
• 16:01
  I recovered pretty quickly from her.
• 16:05
  So my next question to you
• 16:07
  is you join a CrossFit gym, you, you have,
• 16:10
  you're diagnosed with lupus and,
• 16:13
  and you figure out a way
• 16:14
  around traditional medical
• 16:16
  treatment and you go more,
• 16:19
  more organic and it works.
• 16:21
  Right.
• 16:22
  And so you've got to be, you know,
• 16:24
  they say CrossFitters love
• 16:26
  to talk about CrossFit.
• 16:28
  Like it,
• 16:28
  it had to change your life so much.
• 16:31
  Did, could, did you shut up about it ever?
• 16:34
  No, I mean, I'm, I was definitely that,
• 16:36
  that CrossFetter that is
• 16:37
  telling everybody at work
• 16:38
  and trying to get everybody to join.
• 16:40
  And, um, yeah,
• 16:43
  talking about it with my
• 16:44
  family and trying to get my
• 16:45
  family to go telling them
• 16:46
  how good I felt and,
• 16:48
  and they could see it.
• 16:48
  Like the people around you, it doesn't,
• 16:50
  you don't have to tell them all the time.
• 16:52
  They can see the differences
• 16:53
  in your body and your skin
• 16:54
  and all of the things.
• 16:56
  Um, so yeah, I definitely, and I still,
• 17:01
  even to this day, I mean,
• 17:03
  I will preach.
• 17:04
  It's the best thing that
• 17:05
  ever happened to me.
• 17:07
  Yeah.
• 17:07
  Amen to that.
• 17:08
  Yeah.
• 17:09
  I totally agree there.
• 17:10
  And, but the hardest,
• 17:12
  the hardest people to
• 17:12
  convince her family.
• 17:14
  Oh yeah.
• 17:16
  Yeah.
• 17:16
  Friends, friends,
• 17:17
  you can get them to jump on board.
• 17:19
  Yeah.
• 17:21
  Family, not so much.
• 17:24
  So my brother and his wife did CrossFit.
• 17:26
  They lived down in Houston
• 17:27
  for a while and they went to,
• 17:28
  I want to say it was CrossFit Memorial.
• 17:32
  And they had an elite athlete there.
• 17:34
  I think she was a regional
• 17:36
  athlete at the time.
• 17:37
  And they did CrossFit there,
• 17:38
  and then they did CrossFit in Jersey.
• 17:40
  And now they live just outside Columbus,
• 17:44
  and they still do it.
• 17:46
  I have several siblings,
• 17:48
  but my little brother was
• 17:49
  the only one that did CrossFit.
• 17:51
  What state, Columbus?
• 17:54
  Columbus, Ohio.
• 17:55
  So where I'm at.
• 17:57
  Oh, yeah.
• 17:58
  So he's, well,
• 18:00
  he's not right outside Columbus.
• 18:01
  He's in Stowe.
• 18:01
  Do you know where that is?
• 18:03
  Yeah.
• 18:05
  Okay.
• 18:07
  Yeah, I'm up north.
• 18:08
  I'm in Polaris.
• 18:09
  Polaris.
• 18:10
  So I go to what was Christy
• 18:13
  Arum O'Connell's gym.
• 18:15
  Oh, okay.
• 18:16
  And then she just sold the
• 18:17
  gym like three weeks ago.
• 18:19
  Oh, wow.
• 18:20
  Yeah.
• 18:20
  So, but yeah, it's the same vibe still.
• 18:24
  Yeah.
• 18:25
  They sold it to two members of the gym.
• 18:27
  She's doing the programming
• 18:28
  right now for .com, right?
• 18:29
  Or was it last week?
• 18:31
  Yeah.
• 18:32
  And then I saw something.
• 18:33
  It was like IBEX training.
• 18:35
  Is that her personal
• 18:36
  training platform that she does?
• 18:38
  Her and her husband, Patrick.
• 18:40
  Her husband is like an
• 18:41
  eight-time regional athlete.
• 18:42
  A lot of people don't even know that.
• 18:45
  Yeah.
• 18:45
  I did not know that.
• 18:46
  But he created IBEX training,
• 18:48
  which is just like HWPO.
• 18:52
  You can buy it.
• 18:54
  one track um and it's it can
• 18:57
  be it can be used for
• 18:58
  affiliates it can be used
• 18:59
  for an individual it can be
• 19:00
  compete but it has
• 19:02
  different levels um and
• 19:04
  then yeah it's it's the
• 19:06
  best programming I've ever
• 19:07
  done in my life really the
• 19:09
  most right the most fun for
• 19:11
  me because I'm not a
• 19:12
  competitive athlete I'm
• 19:13
  just gonna have fun and
• 19:14
  stay fit have you tried
• 19:16
  them all like have you tried all like
• 19:18
  like the mayhem and the HWPO.
• 19:20
  And I used to go to a different gym who,
• 19:22
  who went through a couple different, uh,
• 19:24
  programs.
• 19:25
  Uh, so they did comp train,
• 19:27
  they did mayhem.
• 19:28
  Uh, I've,
• 19:30
  I've seen HWPO and tried a couple of days,
• 19:33
  but that's so like intense.
• 19:36
  And we were, we had a short,
• 19:40
  a short spurt on HWPO after the twenty,
• 19:43
  twenty two games.
• 19:44
  Our gym was on that for a little while.
• 19:46
  And then we went back to our
• 19:47
  traditional programming,
• 19:49
  which is Marco Coppola's dense protocol,
• 19:52
  which we've pretty much all
• 19:53
  been on aside from that time at HWPU.
• 19:57
  Yeah,
• 19:57
  what I like about the IBEX is it's a
• 19:59
  lot of interval training.
• 20:01
  Yeah.
• 20:02
  And I seem to respond to
• 20:03
  that better than like just
• 20:06
  straight up long.
• 20:07
  And I say that,
• 20:09
  but like we have every
• 20:10
  Thursday was a like long, long workout.
• 20:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:14
  Forty minutes.
• 20:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 20:15
  And I don't know.
• 20:17
  I just really liked it.
• 20:18
  I enjoyed it compared to
• 20:19
  Mayhem and Comp Train for sure.
• 20:21
  Yeah.
• 20:23
  So were you at,
• 20:23
  did you go to the Rogue
• 20:24
  Invitational when it was
• 20:25
  the first year it was there?
• 20:28
  Uh, first, first three years.
• 20:30
  Yeah.
• 20:31
  So the second year was COVID
• 20:32
  and I was a judge.
• 20:35
  So I was sex and panchecks
• 20:36
  judge for that when they did it online.
• 20:39
  Oh, okay.
• 20:40
  Yep.
• 20:41
  Yeah.
• 20:41
  Uh, so yeah, both in Columbus though.
• 20:45
  Yeah.
• 20:46
  We went to that first year in Columbus.
• 20:47
  That was, that was pretty awesome.
• 20:51
  Before they started that,
• 20:52
  it was just a grass field
• 20:54
  in front of the country.
• 20:56
  And they turned it into a stadium,
• 20:57
  which was really cool.
• 20:59
  It was really cool.
• 21:01
  I love Rogue.
• 21:03
  My old office is only five
• 21:05
  minutes from them,
• 21:06
  which was really dangerous.
• 21:07
  Oh, wow.
• 21:08
  Yeah.
• 21:09
  You'd be like, oh,
• 21:10
  I'm just going to stop over
• 21:11
  here on my lunch break.
• 21:12
  Yeah.
• 21:14
  Corey Leonard says interval training.
• 21:16
  You say,
• 21:16
  have you heard of our Lord and Savior?
• 21:20
  Brandon Luckett.
• 21:20
  Corey, we have heard.
• 21:27
  So, yeah.
• 21:28
  So you you're in you're in CrossFit now.
• 21:32
  What was the switch to like
• 21:34
  make you a fan of the sport?
• 21:37
  Honestly, I was immediately a fan.
• 21:40
  So when I started in twenty
• 21:43
  ten and then and that was
• 21:45
  at the end of the year and
• 21:46
  everyone was talking about
• 21:48
  this online open.
• 21:49
  So the first year of the
• 21:50
  online open twenty eleven.
• 21:52
  At the beginning of the year.
• 21:53
  And I was like, well, what's that?
• 21:55
  And so I immediately hit the
• 21:57
  internet and I came across
• 22:00
  a video that was put out.
• 22:02
  It's Dave Castro, Greg Glassman,
• 22:05
  Nicole Carroll, Josh Everett,
• 22:06
  Tony Budding.
• 22:07
  They're all talking about CrossFit Games.
• 22:09
  I don't know if you remember that video.
• 22:12
  Um,
• 22:13
  but they're talking about the history
• 22:14
  of the games and they go
• 22:15
  through being out on, you know,
• 22:16
  Rancho de Castro and
• 22:18
  Woodstock of fitness and all that stuff.
• 22:21
  And after watching that video, I was like,
• 22:24
  okay, I need to see more.
• 22:26
  And so from there, it was like,
• 22:28
  I would consume any and all
• 22:30
  content I could find when
• 22:31
  it came to the CrossFit games.
• 22:34
  And it's always the big hype.
• 22:35
  It was so exciting that time of year.
• 22:36
  And you're watching the
• 22:37
  leaderboard and you're
• 22:38
  going to look on YouTube to
• 22:39
  see if anyone's posted videos and,
• 22:42
  Yeah, instant fan.
• 22:46
  It was weird for me because
• 22:47
  I started CrossFit in two thousand eleven,
• 22:50
  probably a year after you did.
• 22:52
  But my gym, they weren't,
• 22:54
  there were no elite athletes.
• 22:55
  There was no like talk of,
• 22:58
  they didn't even do the open.
• 22:59
  Okay.
• 23:00
  It wasn't until twenty
• 23:02
  thirteen that three of us
• 23:03
  decided to sign up.
• 23:06
  Me and my two buddies and we
• 23:08
  were like the guinea pigs to first do it.
• 23:10
  And then the next year it
• 23:12
  blew up like you paved the
• 23:13
  way for your gym.
• 23:15
  Yeah.
• 23:15
  The bad thing is there's
• 23:16
  still videos of me out
• 23:18
  there trying to get my
• 23:19
  first chest of our pool
• 23:20
  hanging from the pull up
• 23:21
  bar for like seven minutes.
• 23:24
  I think there was like sixty
• 23:26
  five pounds snatched that
• 23:27
  first year and I couldn't
• 23:28
  even snatch that.
• 23:29
  I was like it was it was awful,
• 23:31
  but it was fun.
• 23:32
  It was fun because it kind
• 23:33
  of made you feel like you
• 23:34
  were a part of everything.
• 23:35
  Right.
• 23:35
  Like you could follow around
• 23:36
  with the people that were
• 23:36
  just super amazing.
• 23:38
  But then you could also kind
• 23:39
  of participate in your own way.
• 23:41
  And I think there's
• 23:43
  something to be said for that too.
• 23:44
  Like if you,
• 23:45
  if your gym has more like
• 23:46
  competitive athletes,
• 23:48
  then there is going to be
• 23:49
  that instant awareness of
• 23:53
  the bigger stage,
• 23:54
  the games and everything
• 23:55
  that's going on there.
• 23:56
  So yeah,
• 23:57
  like we had some athletes that had
• 23:59
  a team that year at regionals.
• 24:02
  And when I say regionals,
• 24:04
  it was like in a field in
• 24:05
  the country where
• 24:07
  And like some small part of
• 24:08
  Houston that you didn't
• 24:10
  even know existed.
• 24:11
  And I remember like tugging
• 24:13
  my cooler and my kid and
• 24:15
  all my shit out there
• 24:16
  across the lawn to get to
• 24:18
  the bleachers that are at
• 24:19
  the back of this property.
• 24:20
  And there were like four
• 24:22
  sets of wooden bleachers
• 24:23
  all around the little thing
• 24:24
  they had outlined or the arena floor.
• 24:28
  Yeah, it was pretty crazy.
• 24:30
  And so from there, it was like, oh, well,
• 24:32
  this is really cool.
• 24:33
  And I started getting to
• 24:34
  know those local athletes.
• 24:36
  So it was back when like
• 24:37
  Asia Bardo was coming up
• 24:39
  and Carrie Kepler and Lisa Teal.
• 24:41
  And yeah,
• 24:43
  I even remember I still have like
• 24:45
  one of those really old
• 24:46
  books that they made with
• 24:47
  all the athletes in it from
• 24:48
  the regional that year.
• 24:49
  It's pretty cool.
• 24:51
  Yeah,
• 24:52
  we were lucky here in Columbus
• 24:53
  because it was held at our fairgrounds,
• 24:56
  the Ohio State Fairgrounds.
• 24:58
  Yeah.
• 24:58
  And then this region was
• 25:01
  just jam-packed full of the
• 25:03
  Rich Froning stuff, Graham Holzer,
• 25:06
  Marcus Hendren.
• 25:07
  Yeah.
• 25:09
  So when I dove into that first Open,
• 25:11
  then I wanted everything about the sport.
• 25:15
  I wanted to follow this the
• 25:16
  whole way through.
• 25:17
  And that year, all those guys were at our,
• 25:22
  our regional here in
• 25:23
  Columbus and I was hooked for life.
• 25:25
  Yeah, it's definitely, it's,
• 25:28
  it's such a cool
• 25:29
  environment to be around.
• 25:31
  It was so exciting.
• 25:32
  And I brought the kit,
• 25:32
  my daughter and she loved it.
• 25:34
  And a lot of people from our
• 25:35
  gym came and then it kind
• 25:36
  of just got to be a thing.
• 25:37
  Okay, well now we have to go next year.
• 25:39
  And then the next year it was,
• 25:40
  it moved into a bigger
• 25:41
  stadium and then the next year.
• 25:43
  So I started at a gym.
• 25:45
  I was there for two and a half years.
• 25:46
  And then, um,
• 25:48
  some of the coaches there had
• 25:50
  met Marco and he was going
• 25:52
  to open up his gym.
• 25:54
  And a lot of people kind of
• 25:54
  liked what he was doing
• 25:56
  with his programming and
• 25:57
  things like that.
• 25:57
  So I kind of went to go
• 25:59
  check it out and yeah,
• 26:02
  so started with him.
• 26:03
  And then they immediately,
• 26:04
  that gym immediately had a
• 26:05
  team at regionals, um,
• 26:09
  And then pretty much every
• 26:10
  year we had a team at regional.
• 26:11
  So it was like, we, the whole gym would go,
• 26:13
  we, our whole crew, we'd all, you know,
• 26:15
  get hotels together and,
• 26:18
  and go watch the team and support.
• 26:19
  We've got all the shirts
• 26:21
  from every year regionals
• 26:22
  on all that stuff.
• 26:23
  So we've w we're probably
• 26:26
  one of the more like
• 26:26
  hardcore fan gems in the area.
• 26:29
  I would say just because of that fact.
• 26:33
  Yeah, I love it.
• 26:34
  The community aspect of it
• 26:36
  is the best part.
• 26:36
  It really is.
• 26:38
  It's so awesome.
• 26:39
  I'm like,
• 26:40
  I don't understand why more
• 26:41
  people don't want to do this.
• 26:44
  Yeah.
• 26:45
  It's so much fun.
• 26:45
  Hi, Barry.
• 26:46
  Yeah, so now you're consuming it all.
• 26:52
  Yeah.
• 26:53
  If I look at your Instagram
• 26:55
  before you switch over to Dense Updates,
• 26:58
  it was a lot of your progress,
• 27:01
  like kind of showing what
• 27:02
  you're doing in the gym.
• 27:04
  And the cool part is you're
• 27:06
  making these videos where
• 27:07
  you're showing what you're
• 27:08
  doing in the gym and then
• 27:10
  you're showing like the
• 27:11
  same movement in real life.
• 27:14
  right?
• 27:15
  Like you're lifting a sandbag,
• 27:16
  you turn and now it's,
• 27:17
  you're holding your
• 27:18
  daughter or those are fun for a deadlift.
• 27:21
  And then you're lifting a
• 27:22
  laundry basket or like,
• 27:24
  I thought those were really cool.
• 27:26
  Thank you.
• 27:26
  That was a lot of fun.
• 27:27
  We are, um, our gym owner was pushing, um,
• 27:31
  like a media challenge this summer.
• 27:33
  And I was trying to think of
• 27:34
  just more creative ways.
• 27:35
  Cause usually it's just me
• 27:37
  and my group of friends
• 27:38
  lifting or doing whatever.
• 27:39
  And sometimes I would Mike
• 27:40
  us up and just catch some
• 27:42
  of our funny moments and
• 27:44
  I don't know how many people
• 27:45
  even ever watch those,
• 27:46
  but we thought they were funny.
• 27:49
  Um, but then the challenge was like, uh,
• 27:51
  it kind of like pushed me to, you know,
• 27:53
  try something different.
• 27:54
  And so, um, yeah, I was like, how can I,
• 27:58
  how can I use some of this
• 27:59
  movement and show how
• 28:00
  functional it is and how you're,
• 28:02
  you're probably already
• 28:03
  doing those things.
• 28:04
  You just don't realize it.
• 28:05
  And so, yeah,
• 28:06
  I really liked the one with the, um,
• 28:08
  the clean into the push jerk.
• 28:10
  And it was like,
• 28:10
  I was picking something up
• 28:11
  in the closet and putting
• 28:12
  it up into the shelf overhead.
• 28:16
  Yeah, those were fun.
• 28:17
  And then I got my daughter
• 28:18
  in on that sandbag one.
• 28:21
  Yeah, they were brilliant.
• 28:22
  And those are things that I
• 28:24
  think like CrossFit Media
• 28:25
  should use to promote the methodology.
• 28:28
  Like I think it's to show
• 28:31
  like the reason you're
• 28:32
  doing this is so that for
• 28:33
  the rest of your life,
• 28:34
  you can do the everyday
• 28:36
  things in your home.
• 28:37
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 28:38
  And more affiliates too.
• 28:39
  Like our gym owner had a
• 28:41
  great idea there doing that,
• 28:42
  that media challenge and trying to get,
• 28:44
  it was kind of like we
• 28:44
  could all get points for our content.
• 28:46
  And at the end of the summer,
• 28:48
  he'd pick a winner or, you know,
• 28:49
  pick a winner,
• 28:50
  whoever had the most points.
• 28:51
  So it's like getting your,
• 28:53
  your member base involved
• 28:54
  to make that content and
• 28:55
  put that out there as well.
• 28:56
  Just gets more eyes on it.
• 28:57
  And yeah,
• 28:59
  like you can tag CrossFit and
• 29:00
  maybe they'll collaborate, but it really,
• 29:03
  it's us and the people in
• 29:04
  the gyms and the affiliates that,
• 29:06
  are putting the most content
• 29:07
  out there and making the
• 29:08
  most impact in that way.
• 29:10
  Have you ever got CrossFit to collaborate?
• 29:14
  I do not believe so.
• 29:17
  Just checking.
• 29:17
  I have to think about that.
• 29:20
  I don't think so.
• 29:20
  No.
• 29:21
  And all the stuff that I've
• 29:22
  tagged them in one time, they,
• 29:24
  they shared.
• 29:27
  Yeah.
• 29:28
  Collaborated.
• 29:29
  Yeah.
• 29:30
  If they dive a little further down my,
• 29:33
  my Instagram, I think I have a comp,
• 29:36
  video on there of me and my bestie.
• 29:40
  And the shirts that year
• 29:41
  were a little controversial,
• 29:42
  so that might be why they
• 29:44
  wouldn't want to post any of my stuff.
• 29:49
  Yeah, just said Trump won.
• 29:54
  Rich Froning thought it was cool.
• 29:55
  He was there that year.
• 29:57
  It was at BCS,
• 29:57
  the one that he programs for.
• 29:59
  Yeah, yeah.
• 30:00
  Yeah, yeah.
• 30:01
  Like right after all that drama.
• 30:03
  So it was fitting.
• 30:04
  That looks like a fun
• 30:05
  competition to go to someday.
• 30:07
  That's a good one.
• 30:08
  That's definitely one of the
• 30:09
  bigger ones around here
• 30:10
  that our gym does every year.
• 30:12
  That one in TFX, that one's coming up.
• 30:14
  We've got a lot of teams
• 30:15
  that are going to be competing there.
• 30:17
  And I love that they're
• 30:17
  throwing masters in now.
• 30:19
  That's good for us old folk
• 30:21
  because I'm not going to lie,
• 30:23
  it gets hard when you're in
• 30:24
  your forties to keep up
• 30:25
  with those twenty-year-olds.
• 30:27
  It does.
• 30:27
  Yeah.
• 30:29
  So see the big jug says, wait,
• 30:31
  did I meet Jenny at the
• 30:32
  twenty twenty three games
• 30:33
  with a baby that said get to the chopper?
• 30:37
  No, actually we did not go that year.
• 30:39
  I was at twenty twenty four.
• 30:41
  I was there this year and
• 30:42
  then twenty twenty to our
• 30:44
  team in Madison.
• 30:46
  And that was really cool.
• 30:47
  I didn't get to go.
• 30:48
  Our team went in twenty
• 30:50
  sixteen out in Carson,
• 30:52
  but I just had my youngest
• 30:54
  child and then the other
• 30:56
  one was still in diapers.
• 30:57
  And I was just like, there's no way we're.
• 30:59
  even going to try this with
• 31:00
  a one month old and the
• 31:02
  other one I was like that
• 31:03
  would have just been zero
• 31:04
  fun for us and I didn't
• 31:05
  want to put them through
• 31:06
  that especially it being
• 31:08
  outdoors and in the sun the
• 31:09
  whole time I was like
• 31:10
  that's just too much
• 31:12
  preparation so I had to
• 31:13
  sadly watch that one from home
• 31:15
  So my, my next question is you,
• 31:19
  you make this transition from these,
• 31:22
  these videos about you and
• 31:24
  you kind of getting better
• 31:25
  to now like updating
• 31:27
  everybody on what's going on,
• 31:29
  on all the different
• 31:30
  content aspects in the
• 31:31
  space and the timing of that.
• 31:34
  I know that you're,
• 31:35
  you're friends with Marco
• 31:37
  and his kind of like first
• 31:40
  uh,
• 31:41
  video on what happened at the games out
• 31:44
  and you start doing these
• 31:45
  updates almost the exact same time.
• 31:47
  Yeah.
• 31:49
  Was that just coincidence or, um, no,
• 31:52
  I mean,
• 31:53
  so because I consume so much
• 31:56
  content and I have that
• 31:58
  long history of knowing all
• 32:00
  the things I'm kind of
• 32:02
  always been known as that
• 32:03
  person in the gym.
• 32:03
  Like if they want to ask a
• 32:05
  question about something or they,
• 32:06
  somebody will randomly come up and be like,
• 32:08
  Ginny,
• 32:08
  what was that one workout that one
• 32:09
  year at the open and this or that or,
• 32:11
  you know,
• 32:12
  and ninety nine point nine
• 32:14
  percent of the time I have the answer.
• 32:16
  So it's kind of just like, go ask Ginny.
• 32:18
  She knows, you know, one of those things.
• 32:19
  And so I've always thought
• 32:22
  about wanting to do something like this.
• 32:25
  I just.
• 32:28
  I don't know.
• 32:28
  It just was never the right time.
• 32:30
  I was either too busy with
• 32:31
  work or personal life or whatever.
• 32:35
  And then everything kind of
• 32:36
  happened at the games.
• 32:38
  And then there was just so
• 32:40
  much content all at one
• 32:43
  time and just everywhere.
• 32:45
  And, you know,
• 32:47
  people would be asking me in
• 32:48
  the gym and I'm just like,
• 32:49
  I'm going to just make a video.
• 32:50
  I'm like,
• 32:51
  I'm just going to all the stuff
• 32:52
  I've consumed.
• 32:53
  I'm just going to try to
• 32:54
  lump it all together in ninety seconds.
• 32:56
  And there you go.
• 32:58
  And so that's kind of how that started.
• 33:02
  It did help that Marco was
• 33:03
  also putting out content
• 33:04
  because I could kind of use that as well.
• 33:07
  But there are so many voices in the space.
• 33:10
  And, you know,
• 33:10
  with Sevan and Talking Elite
• 33:13
  Fitness and you guys and Barbell Spin.
• 33:15
  And there's just so much out there.
• 33:18
  And then aside from Instagram, it's like,
• 33:20
  oh,
• 33:20
  people all ask someone if they had
• 33:22
  seen something.
• 33:22
  And they're like, oh, no,
• 33:23
  I didn't see that.
• 33:24
  So that's kind of where it stemmed from.
• 33:28
  did you anticipate like the
• 33:31
  response you would get and
• 33:32
  how many people started watching these?
• 33:36
  No, I mean, honestly, none of my,
• 33:39
  I would say if you go back and look,
• 33:41
  a lot of my videos are kind
• 33:42
  of like around the one
• 33:43
  thousand to fifteen hundred view.
• 33:45
  Like I just figured somebody
• 33:46
  might come across something
• 33:48
  or but if somebody happens to share it,
• 33:50
  then you see that it gets
• 33:51
  more views and that sort of thing.
• 33:52
  But
• 33:53
  honestly I didn't really
• 33:55
  have any expectations for
• 33:56
  it I just wanted to put it
• 33:57
  out there and if somebody
• 33:58
  finds it great if if not
• 34:02
  okay it's there if you ever
• 34:03
  want to find it so what I
• 34:06
  love about it is like the
• 34:09
  weekend I was in birmingham
• 34:10
  with the masters right I
• 34:13
  because I was there all day
• 34:15
  I had no time to to consume
• 34:17
  any content yeah
• 34:18
  So then for my drive home,
• 34:20
  I go to your Instagram to
• 34:22
  hear what are the hot
• 34:23
  topics where they're at.
• 34:26
  And then I line up my queue
• 34:27
  to listen on the drive home.
• 34:29
  Yeah.
• 34:31
  And it it's perfect.
• 34:32
  And if I ever get like,
• 34:34
  where I just need balance in
• 34:35
  my life and I need some
• 34:36
  family time and I just
• 34:38
  check out for a day,
• 34:39
  I can go to your update and see, okay,
• 34:42
  who said what, where,
• 34:43
  and where do I need to go,
• 34:45
  like get caught up.
• 34:47
  And it really helps me sort
• 34:48
  out like what I'm going to listen to.
• 34:51
  Yay.
• 34:52
  Well, I love that.
• 34:53
  And I don't know if you even
• 34:55
  had that intention of it,
• 34:57
  but it helps me tremendously.
• 34:59
  Yeah, I mean,
• 35:00
  I guess that really is the
• 35:02
  intent behind it because of
• 35:03
  the fact that there are so
• 35:04
  many things out there and
• 35:05
  people might not know what
• 35:07
  they're missing.
• 35:09
  It's like if you can try to
• 35:10
  just touch on a little bit of everything,
• 35:12
  then they can decide for
• 35:13
  themselves what they want
• 35:14
  to go listen to.
• 35:16
  Yeah.
• 35:17
  I did a poll the other day
• 35:18
  because I was just curious
• 35:19
  like how many of the people
• 35:21
  that do regularly follow me
• 35:22
  or even bother to look at my story,
• 35:24
  I wanted to see like what
• 35:25
  content they're consuming regularly.
• 35:27
  And so it was just, you know,
• 35:28
  which podcast,
• 35:29
  and it was basically all the podcasts,
• 35:30
  which ones do you watch the
• 35:32
  froning and you guys and
• 35:34
  spin and all the ones that
• 35:35
  I already talked about and sub on.
• 35:36
  And it's,
• 35:37
  it seems to be a lot of the
• 35:38
  people who consume the same
• 35:40
  amount of content are the
• 35:42
  ones that are following along as well.
• 35:44
  So I found that interesting.
• 35:47
  Yeah.
• 35:48
  Just because they know a lot
• 35:49
  of that content already.
• 35:50
  Right.
• 35:51
  But they're still coming to
• 35:53
  my page to check it out.
• 35:55
  So that's cool.
• 35:57
  Have you noticed a shift in
• 35:59
  the responses you get now
• 36:01
  on your Instagram or the DMs?
• 36:04
  No, I don't.
• 36:05
  I usually would just,
• 36:08
  I wouldn't get a ton of DMs.
• 36:10
  There's a couple of people
• 36:12
  who like really want to
• 36:13
  talk in depth about stuff.
• 36:16
  And I'll respond.
• 36:17
  Like I try to respond to everybody, but no,
• 36:21
  no change.
• 36:21
  Just like a couple of people
• 36:23
  have actually commented on the videos,
• 36:24
  just being like, Hey, thanks.
• 36:25
  Appreciate it.
• 36:26
  Keep it up.
• 36:27
  which I think is cool.
• 36:28
  So I don't,
• 36:30
  right now I don't spend a ton
• 36:32
  of time on making the video.
• 36:34
  Cause like I told you earlier, I,
• 36:36
  I just try to just go off the fly.
• 36:38
  Like what I remember I
• 36:38
  consumed and what key
• 36:40
  things I think people might
• 36:41
  want to know about.
• 36:42
  And then I just kind of, you know,
• 36:44
  plug them all in and make
• 36:46
  the videos and trim where needed.
• 36:47
  If I start rambling.
• 36:51
  Yeah.
• 36:53
  That's my train of thought there.
• 36:54
  Your iPhone to do it all.
• 36:56
  Yeah.
• 36:57
  I'm just using my iPhone.
• 36:58
  I have like a little iPhone stand that I,
• 37:00
  the same one I use at the
• 37:01
  gym and I just pull it up
• 37:03
  and find some sunlight and
• 37:07
  get to recording.
• 37:09
  Um, Corey Lawrence says,
• 37:11
  I'm not one of those people.
• 37:12
  I like dark humor and blueberry.
• 37:13
  Um,
• 37:19
  So do you have hard, fast rules?
• 37:21
  Like you say,
• 37:22
  what would I can get in in
• 37:23
  ninety seconds?
• 37:23
  Do you go by the Instagram
• 37:25
  real rules like you make
• 37:27
  sure it's under ninety every time or?
• 37:31
  Yeah, I mean,
• 37:31
  right now I'm only doing them
• 37:33
  on Instagram.
• 37:34
  I have been like posting
• 37:36
  them over to the YouTube channel as well.
• 37:37
  I did make one YouTube video
• 37:39
  and that was just kind of
• 37:41
  me breaking down the
• 37:42
  timeline because I had a
• 37:43
  lot of people at my at the gym and
• 37:46
  Just be like, oh,
• 37:46
  if I sit down to read that timeline,
• 37:48
  it's going to take me like
• 37:49
  an hour because it was so in depth.
• 37:51
  And I mean, it was so good.
• 37:54
  It was so detailed.
• 37:55
  So I just kind of went
• 37:56
  through it and read some of
• 37:57
  the all of the stuff that
• 37:59
  really stood out to me.
• 38:00
  And that's, you know,
• 38:00
  some of the stuff we didn't
• 38:01
  know and and things like that.
• 38:04
  But other than that, yeah,
• 38:05
  I'm just doing the ninety
• 38:06
  second reels right now.
• 38:09
  Do you see... So I noticed early on,
• 38:14
  it was just, hey,
• 38:16
  Siobhan talked about this.
• 38:17
  Hey, if you go over to Hiller,
• 38:19
  he did this with Danny, blah, blah, blah.
• 38:22
  Then as you've gone along,
• 38:26
  you're inserting a little
• 38:27
  bit of your own editorial comments now.
• 38:31
  Like the courage is growing.
• 38:34
  Now you're throwing in more.
• 38:36
  Do you see...
• 38:37
  a desire for that to grow
• 38:40
  even more into like a
• 38:41
  longer format or do you
• 38:43
  want to just stick with what you have?
• 38:46
  Um, I'm trying.
• 38:49
  I'm trying to keep those
• 38:52
  updates completely unbiased, right?
• 38:54
  Like just give people
• 38:55
  everything that's out there.
• 38:57
  Like whether or not I agree
• 38:59
  with the content or not,
• 39:00
  I'm still consuming it.
• 39:01
  Like there's definitely some
• 39:02
  people out there I don't
• 39:03
  enjoy listening to,
• 39:04
  but I'm going to consume it anyway.
• 39:06
  Just because I feel like for me to have,
• 39:08
  to be able to give that
• 39:09
  back to the people,
• 39:10
  you have to give them
• 39:10
  everything so they can see
• 39:11
  from every side of it.
• 39:13
  Um, so there,
• 39:16
  there might be a space where
• 39:18
  I would make videos, you know,
• 39:22
  with more of like my, my side of thing,
• 39:25
  my input on certain things.
• 39:26
  But right now I feel like
• 39:29
  Hiller does a really good job.
• 39:30
  He's a big personality in the space.
• 39:33
  And, um,
• 39:36
  Yeah,
• 39:37
  so I don't see myself going full-on
• 39:39
  YouTube video personality
• 39:42
  and that sort of thing.
• 39:43
  I really enjoy doing the updates,
• 39:44
  honestly.
• 39:47
  Okay.
• 39:48
  Yeah.
• 39:48
  Uh, cause I could,
• 39:49
  the way you're inserting
• 39:51
  some editorial stuff, I could see you.
• 39:54
  Well,
• 39:54
  I feel very strongly about the PFAA
• 39:57
  stuff.
• 39:57
  And so, and I'll just be,
• 39:58
  I don't know if that's what
• 39:59
  you're speaking on, but the, um,
• 40:02
  in particular,
• 40:03
  John Woolley had made like an,
• 40:04
  he was doing like a news
• 40:05
  update video that I've
• 40:07
  never seen him do before.
• 40:08
  And I was like, Oh, okay.
• 40:09
  Somebody else had a good idea.
• 40:11
  Yeah.
• 40:13
  And it was like five minutes long,
• 40:14
  but it was just like,
• 40:15
  here's what's going on in
• 40:16
  the last week kind of thing
• 40:17
  and talked about this and
• 40:19
  talked about that and then
• 40:20
  entered some stuff with the PFAA.
• 40:22
  And I was just kind of like, oh, well,
• 40:24
  all right.
• 40:25
  But we kind of,
• 40:25
  we're leaving some things out.
• 40:27
  And I feel like if you're
• 40:27
  leaving things out,
• 40:28
  then you're kind of leaving
• 40:29
  that open for
• 40:30
  interpretation or maybe just
• 40:33
  trying to push like a
• 40:35
  certain narrative that you
• 40:37
  want people to hear,
• 40:38
  which it's his platform.
• 40:39
  He can do whatever he wants.
• 40:40
  But I just wanted to
• 40:43
  kind of add on that and I
• 40:45
  was in my car that day and
• 40:46
  I'd been sitting in traffic
• 40:47
  for like an hour and a half
• 40:48
  and I was just listening to
• 40:50
  this and I was just like
• 40:51
  well wait a minute let's
• 40:53
  because he specifically
• 40:55
  like addresses a specific
• 40:56
  question and I was like
• 40:57
  well you didn't really
• 40:58
  answer that question and so
• 41:01
  yeah that might that there
• 41:04
  there's probably going to
• 41:04
  be those times that's just
• 41:06
  me you might get a random
• 41:08
  video where I'm just gonna
• 41:09
  be like wait a minute I
• 41:10
  don't agree with that
• 41:11
  But I'm trying to just give
• 41:12
  the people the updates,
• 41:14
  where to find the stuff,
• 41:16
  and then they can decide for themselves.
• 41:19
  Yeah,
• 41:19
  the PFAA is a... So I have very
• 41:25
  strong feelings about the PFAA.
• 41:28
  Yeah.
• 41:28
  And whenever I remark about it,
• 41:30
  I get the strongest
• 41:31
  comments back that I ever get.
• 41:33
  which it just blows my mind
• 41:35
  that there's this
• 41:36
  organization and that's the
• 41:38
  thing that's triggering everybody.
• 41:39
  Everybody.
• 41:40
  Yeah.
• 41:41
  Like why?
• 41:42
  Yeah.
• 41:43
  Like I,
• 41:43
  you can't say anything bad about
• 41:45
  Brent or Pat or you're going to,
• 41:46
  you're going to hear my wrath.
• 41:48
  Yeah.
• 41:52
  And I love, I love Pat.
• 41:54
  I've always like, he's my number one,
• 41:56
  like this last year at the games.
• 41:58
  Um,
• 41:59
  They had a, um,
• 42:01
  it was like a fan favorite
• 42:02
  vote that they were doing.
• 42:04
  And, um, I'm always voting for Pat.
• 42:07
  Like he's always been one of
• 42:08
  my favorite male athletes
• 42:09
  to follow in the sport.
• 42:11
  Um, but yeah,
• 42:12
  there's definitely some
• 42:13
  things I didn't agree with
• 42:15
  in some of those videos.
• 42:16
  And I don't think that it's
• 42:18
  a bad thing for people to
• 42:19
  be talking about that, honestly.
• 42:21
  Like, I think it's a good thing.
• 42:22
  There should,
• 42:22
  we should all be able to have
• 42:24
  those open conversations.
• 42:26
  That's been my answer to the
• 42:28
  people who are coming after me is,
• 42:29
  this is an open platform.
• 42:31
  I never say you can't
• 42:32
  express your opinion.
• 42:34
  I can express mine and you
• 42:35
  can come back with yours
• 42:36
  and I'll even put it up on the screen.
• 42:39
  And we can talk about it,
• 42:40
  but to just shut it all
• 42:42
  down and say you're
• 42:43
  unsubscribing and doing
• 42:45
  whatever because I blasted the PFAA,
• 42:49
  it's kind of ridiculous.
• 42:51
  Yeah.
• 42:52
  And nobody's... I don't feel
• 42:53
  like anyone's really...
• 42:54
  blasting them or bashing them.
• 42:56
  It's just, we, we,
• 42:59
  we don't necessarily agree
• 43:01
  with everything,
• 43:02
  which they've even said themselves,
• 43:04
  like not everyone's going
• 43:05
  to agree with you.
• 43:05
  Not everyone's going to like
• 43:06
  your decisions,
• 43:07
  but it's okay for in this
• 43:10
  space to have opposing
• 43:11
  opinions on these things.
• 43:13
  And so, yeah, the people who are like, oh,
• 43:14
  I'm just not going to follow you anymore.
• 43:15
  Or, you know,
• 43:17
  you're a bad person because
• 43:18
  you think this or that, or yeah, that,
• 43:22
  I think it has to be tied
• 43:23
  with Castro because they want him gone.
• 43:26
  And if you are saying
• 43:28
  something bad about the PFA,
• 43:29
  you must be supporting Castro.
• 43:33
  And I think that's truly the trigger.
• 43:35
  Yeah.
• 43:37
  Yeah,
• 43:37
  there's definitely people who have
• 43:38
  drawn line in the sand.
• 43:40
  If you want it this way, then...
• 43:43
  I don't want anything to do with you.
• 43:44
  And I just think that's ridiculous.
• 43:47
  Yeah.
• 43:48
  My whole beef is like,
• 43:49
  how is the PFA just by default?
• 43:51
  The,
• 43:52
  the people who get to represent the
• 43:53
  athletes because they're
• 43:55
  not really representing all the athletes.
• 43:57
  Yeah.
• 43:58
  Select few.
• 43:58
  They've decided that they're
• 44:00
  going to cover.
• 44:00
  Yeah.
• 44:02
  Well,
• 44:02
  I want to know more about that
• 44:03
  process too.
• 44:04
  Cause I don't think that's been said.
• 44:05
  Like we know that the
• 44:07
  criteria is to be a voting member,
• 44:09
  but what's the criteria to
• 44:11
  be voted in as a board member?
• 44:13
  because it's kind of all over the place.
• 44:15
  I think I posted in the
• 44:17
  comments of that one video
• 44:18
  to John Woolley, like, well,
• 44:21
  this is all their names.
• 44:22
  These are all their stats.
• 44:23
  Some people haven't even
• 44:24
  been to a games that are on this board.
• 44:27
  Like how,
• 44:27
  how are we determining who we're
• 44:29
  voting for?
• 44:30
  Are we just picking anyone
• 44:31
  from the region that's
• 44:31
  willing to volunteer and just being like,
• 44:33
  Oh, you got my vote.
• 44:35
  Or how does that work?
• 44:38
  How do you get elected to a
• 44:39
  board with absolute voting
• 44:42
  rights when you're not even
• 44:45
  a voting member of the body?
• 44:48
  Yeah.
• 44:49
  Like that doesn't even make sense.
• 44:51
  It is wild.
• 44:52
  I would be curious to know
• 44:53
  more about that.
• 44:55
  Yeah,
• 44:55
  and the fact that the only vote that
• 44:57
  the body gets is who's on the board.
• 44:59
  Right.
• 45:00
  Supposedly.
• 45:01
  Yeah.
• 45:01
  And then after that,
• 45:02
  all the other votes are
• 45:03
  done by the board.
• 45:04
  Right.
• 45:05
  They have like what monthly
• 45:08
  calls where they will invite the members,
• 45:10
  I think,
• 45:10
  and then they'll have discussions.
• 45:12
  And I know they've said one
• 45:15
  of their last discussions
• 45:16
  that it wasn't even a
• 45:18
  majority that agreed with
• 45:19
  them on certain things.
• 45:20
  So it's like, well,
• 45:21
  that's also concerning.
• 45:25
  But yeah, I find it.
• 45:27
  We could have a separate show on that.
• 45:28
  Yeah,
• 45:28
  we could probably go into a lot of
• 45:29
  that for sure.
• 45:34
  So as you have dove into doing this,
• 45:39
  has it become something
• 45:40
  you've really started to
• 45:41
  love and enjoy doing?
• 45:45
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 45:46
  I love it.
• 45:47
  I love, like,
• 45:48
  if I'm not talking about
• 45:49
  CrossFit in a day,
• 45:50
  something's wrong with me.
• 45:51
  Like, I'm always talking about it.
• 45:53
  I come home and, you know,
• 45:55
  my spouse and I will talk about it.
• 45:56
  I'm talking about it with my
• 45:57
  friends at the gym.
• 45:59
  You know,
• 46:00
  most of my friends are people
• 46:01
  that go to the gym.
• 46:03
  Um, so that also helps my closest friends.
• 46:06
  Um, so yeah, like I, I love all of it.
• 46:09
  I'm consuming all of it.
• 46:10
  I'm watching all of it.
• 46:11
  I'm talking about all of it.
• 46:12
  I've,
• 46:12
  I've followed it for so long and
• 46:15
  through its entire evolution and it's,
• 46:19
  it becomes a part of your
• 46:20
  life when you've been doing it for.
• 46:21
  Fourteen years.
• 46:22
  It's like,
• 46:23
  how can you not care about those
• 46:24
  things and how can you not
• 46:26
  love it and want to be, you know, I,
• 46:28
  I tell everybody like I'm a lifer.
• 46:30
  I could never see myself.
• 46:32
  doing anything else and not
• 46:33
  being a part of this community.
• 46:37
  So what do you see in the future?
• 46:40
  Just continue doing this or
• 46:44
  maybe dabbling in some
• 46:46
  other areas to see what
• 46:47
  else you might like to put out?
• 46:49
  Yeah,
• 46:50
  I'm enjoying doing this right now and
• 46:51
  kind of seeing where that goes.
• 46:52
  And yeah,
• 46:54
  if other opportunities come up or
• 46:56
  other ideas come to me, then
• 46:59
  Yeah, I'm going to explore them.
• 47:01
  I'm just kind of enjoying
• 47:02
  doing this right now and
• 47:03
  seeing where that goes.
• 47:08
  Might start making some other videos.
• 47:09
  I don't know.
• 47:10
  Right now,
• 47:12
  my goal is just continuing to do
• 47:14
  the dense updates and kind
• 47:15
  of grow that part of it and
• 47:17
  then see what happens from
• 47:18
  there for sure.
• 47:22
  if people want to sign up and, and,
• 47:25
  and follow you on Instagram,
• 47:27
  they can do that by going
• 47:28
  to at dense underscore updates.
• 47:32
  That's me.
• 47:33
  And hit that follow button
• 47:35
  so that you get all the
• 47:36
  updates of what's going on.
• 47:38
  And I do appreciate the fact
• 47:39
  that you do give a very
• 47:41
  unbiased opinion about,
• 47:44
  and you include all the shows.
• 47:47
  So if you don't know what to
• 47:49
  tune into next,
• 47:51
  go to dense updates and listen.
• 47:54
  And Jenny will tell you
• 47:56
  what's going on in each show.
• 47:57
  She doesn't tell you which
• 47:58
  one to go watch.
• 47:59
  She just says, Hey,
• 48:00
  this happens on this show and that show.
• 48:04
  And you can go check all that out.
• 48:05
  That's right.
• 48:08
  Anything you want to tell
• 48:08
  the listeners before we let
• 48:10
  you go for the day?
• 48:12
  No.
• 48:13
  I have one other question.
• 48:14
  What do you do for a job?
• 48:17
  So right now I do like
• 48:19
  bookkeeping and accounting.
• 48:21
  I was working for,
• 48:23
  I was working full time for
• 48:24
  a roofing company here in Houston.
• 48:27
  And literally the day we
• 48:30
  came back from the games, he was like,
• 48:33
  we are shutting down operations.
• 48:34
  I was like,
• 48:36
  Ooh, that was kind of a weekend.
• 48:39
  I really didn't mean that on
• 48:40
  a Monday morning, but okay.
• 48:42
  So I've just kind of been
• 48:43
  helping him close things
• 48:46
  down and get his books all
• 48:47
  together and things like that.
• 48:48
  And been doing some,
• 48:50
  some contract work on the
• 48:51
  side at home for right now.
• 48:53
  And that's kind of what's
• 48:54
  freed up my time to be able
• 48:55
  to make a little bit more
• 48:56
  of these videos.
• 48:57
  So yeah,
• 49:00
  I'm probably going to stay on that path.
• 49:01
  I can't,
• 49:02
  I can't see myself going back to a
• 49:04
  traditional,
• 49:06
  nine to five and working for the man.
• 49:08
  So.
• 49:11
  Yeah.
• 49:11
  Yeah.
• 49:12
  I didn't have to work for the man anymore.
• 49:13
  I would love to just talk to
• 49:14
  people like this.
• 49:16
  Yeah.
• 49:17
  Right.
• 49:18
  It'd be nice.
• 49:19
  But someone's got to keep
• 49:21
  the lights on in the house.
• 49:22
  That's very true.
• 49:24
  And the internet flowing or
• 49:25
  we couldn't even do this.
• 49:26
  So that is true.
• 49:27
  I mean, if I have to all work three jobs,
• 49:29
  I don't care, but yeah,
• 49:31
  I'm fortunate enough right now to,
• 49:33
  To be able to take a little
• 49:34
  bit of time for myself and
• 49:36
  just figure out, yeah, what I want to do.
• 49:39
  I'm forty four and so I'll be forty four.
• 49:43
  And I've had a lot of just
• 49:45
  bouncing around careers over the years.
• 49:47
  And it's like, man,
• 49:48
  I just want to find one
• 49:49
  thing that sticks.
• 49:51
  But trade work is I've worked for a lot.
• 49:53
  I've worked for a plumbing company.
• 49:55
  a roofing company, um,
• 49:57
  and then a custom home builder, just,
• 49:59
  you know, accounting and all that stuff.
• 50:00
  And COVID was,
• 50:02
  was a bad time for everybody.
• 50:03
  And roofing is wildly
• 50:06
  competitive here in Houston.
• 50:07
  So unfortunately that didn't
• 50:08
  work out either.
• 50:10
  Yeah.
• 50:11
  Is what it is.
• 50:12
  You know,
• 50:13
  I didn't find the thing I loved
• 50:14
  in my life, which is doing this at
• 50:20
  Um,
• 50:21
  and then I dove in head first and my
• 50:23
  wife is probably like,
• 50:26
  I'm glad you found it.
• 50:31
  Work on balance a little bit,
• 50:33
  but we're getting there.
• 50:36
  Well, Jenny, this has been a blast.
• 50:38
  Um, and, um,
• 50:41
  I'm going to keep you in my
• 50:43
  contacts to have you back
• 50:45
  because I'm sure there are
• 50:46
  subjects we can talk about that,
• 50:49
  like we just talked a little PFAA,
• 50:51
  and I think that could have
• 50:51
  went on for a good hour.
• 50:53
  Yeah, awesome.
• 50:54
  I'd love that.
• 50:55
  I'd love to be on with Jamie.
• 50:56
  I love her.
• 50:57
  I follow her.
• 50:57
  She's super awesome.
• 50:59
  Fittest
• 51:03
  Yeah, I wish she believed that.
• 51:05
  Everybody around her believes it.
• 51:07
  I wish she believed it.
• 51:08
  I feel like that's such a
• 51:11
  common thing for some Masters athletes.
• 51:14
  My best friend,
• 51:15
  she's a little bit older in
• 51:16
  the fifty to fifty four.
• 51:18
  And I'm like, girl,
• 51:20
  you're going to the games next year.
• 51:21
  And she's like, nah.
• 51:23
  And I'm like, hmm.
• 51:25
  Yeah.
• 51:26
  Yeah.
• 51:26
  We have to convince them
• 51:27
  that they are as good as they are.
• 51:30
  Yeah.
• 51:30
  What I love about masters is, you know,
• 51:32
  here comes Jamie off the
• 51:33
  games and now her son's in
• 51:35
  his senior year of school.
• 51:36
  And then that becomes a priority, right?
• 51:38
  She can't like an elite
• 51:40
  athlete just gets to keep training.
• 51:42
  Nope.
• 51:43
  She's got a,
• 51:44
  her son's senior year is
• 51:45
  what's most important.
• 51:46
  And so that takes the front
• 51:48
  seat right now.
• 51:49
  Yeah.
• 51:50
  Your kids, your family, your jobs,
• 51:51
  all those things.
• 51:53
  A lot of those athletes
• 51:54
  don't have sponsors and all that stuff.
• 51:58
  So yeah, definitely harder on them.
• 51:59
  And speaking of Masters
• 52:00
  athletes to cross promote,
• 52:01
  in about eight minutes,
• 52:04
  the episode three of Behind
• 52:05
  the Scenes at the Masters
• 52:06
  CrossFit Games comes out.
• 52:07
  Oh, yeah.
• 52:07
  I've got my notification on.
• 52:09
  I'll be watching that.
• 52:10
  So you check into that.
• 52:13
  It's twenty five minutes today.
• 52:15
  So not too long.
• 52:16
  Pretty digestible.
• 52:18
  And I hope you enjoy that.
• 52:20
  With that, Jenny,
• 52:20
  thank you so much for doing this.
• 52:21
  Yes.
• 52:22
  Thank you so much.
• 52:22
  I appreciate it.
• 52:23
  Have a great rest of your day.
• 52:25
  Yes, sir.
• 52:25
  You too.
• 52:26
  We'll see everybody next time.
• 52:27
  Bye, guys.
• 52:28
  Bye.