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10/5/26: Insane AI Video Used In Court, Plague Leaks From Russian Lab, Trump Backs Daylight Saving End · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, Ready or Not 2024 is here and we
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  Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Turning
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  Speaker 2: now to our AI future. Let's see some of the
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  Speaker 2: great things that this technology is unleashing upon us. Let's
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  Speaker 2: put it up here on the screen. One of the
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  Speaker 2: craziest stories I have ever seen. The Arizona Court of
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  Speaker 2: Appeals has now thrown out a 10-year manslaughter sentence and
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  Speaker 2: ordered a resentencing of Gabriel Paul Horsacitas. I apologize. to
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  Speaker 2: the family, if I mispronounce that, the court found that
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  Speaker 2: an AI-generated video showing the victim, Christopher Pelkey, addressing the
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  Speaker 2: judge was unreliable. The three-judge panel said the video went
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  Speaker 2: too far, it didn't document real events, and it presented
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  Speaker 2: invented statements as if Pelkey himself had said them. The
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  Speaker 2: judge described it as a depiction built from his sister's
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  Speaker 2: imagination of what he would think. In November 2021, Horsitas,
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  Speaker 2: now 55, shot and killed Pelkey during a road rage
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  Speaker 2: confrontation at a stoplight in Chandler, Arizona. Pelkey was unarmed
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  Speaker 2: and had gotten out of his truck and walked towards
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  Speaker 2: his vehicle. He was convicted of manslaughter and endangerment for
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  Speaker 2: a shot that hit another car. The AI video shows
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  Speaker 2: was created by his sister is believed to be the
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  Speaker 2: very first use case in the united states court and
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  Speaker 2: it was played at the main twenty twenty five sentencing
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  Speaker 2: after nine family members and friends spoke in the video
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  Speaker 2: he talked about missing his loved ones believing in forgiveness
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  Speaker 2: and suggested that he might have been friends under different
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  Speaker 2: circumstances with the perpetrator it did not request a particular sentence.
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  Speaker 2: The lawyer then argued the judge violated due process by
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  Speaker 2: relying on the video. She said the video didn't disclose
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  Speaker 2: who wrote its words and had no evidence showing that
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  Speaker 2: it reflected his actual views. Also argued that it carried
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  Speaker 2: more emotional weight and apparent authenticity than if a relative
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  Speaker 2: had actually read the words aloud and her client had
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  Speaker 2: no chance to rebut. They said the judge did not air,
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  Speaker 2: this is from the prosecution who apparently defended it, the
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  Speaker 2: judge didn't air that the video actually reflected his character,
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  Speaker 2: and that Lange didn't consider, the judge, consider it in sentencing.
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  Speaker 2: They also noted the judge had already heard from many
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  Speaker 2: family members and that nothing in the video was inflammatory.
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  Speaker 2: So with all of that said, I want to show
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  Speaker 2: you some of this video. Let's take a listen. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Just to be clear for everyone seeing this, I am
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  Speaker 1: a version of Chris Pelkey recreated through AI that uses
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  Speaker 1: my picture and my voice profile. I was able to
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  Speaker 1: be digitally regenerated to share with you today. So I
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  Speaker 1: would like to make my own impact statement. So hello, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here today. It means
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I can't tell you how humbled I am
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  Speaker 1: for those that spoke up for me, everyone who flew in,
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  Speaker 1: took off work, those who are watching this remotely, and
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  Speaker 1: for everyone who has supported my family and loved ones
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  Speaker 1: through three and a half years and two trials. I
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  Speaker 1: wish I could be with you all today. To your honor,
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  Speaker 1: Judge Lang, thank you for making yourself available to see
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  Speaker 1: this case to the end, especially when the rescheduled trial
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  Speaker 1: conflicted with your daughter's spring break. Thank you for listening
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  Speaker 1: to everyone today. Thank you for reading the flood of
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  Speaker 1: impact statements that came in before today that so many
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  Speaker 1: people wrote on my behalf. Every single one of them
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  Speaker 1: is meaningful and gives a glimpse into my life with
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  Speaker 1: each of them. To Gabriel Horcacidas, the man who shot me.
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  Speaker 1: It is a shame we encountered each other that day
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  Speaker 1: in those circumstances. In another life, we probably could have
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  Speaker 1: been friends. I believe in forgiveness and in God who forgives.
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  Speaker 1: I always have, and I still do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Ryan. What do you think, man? What
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  Speaker 2: are they doing? What is going on? You can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: What is happening? I mean, this is really freaking me out.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if the prosecution can do that, can the defense?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. I mean, just use your AI imagery
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 3: Like, defense, bring up the guy and be like, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: so the judge gave a harsher sentence, right? Even though he,
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  Speaker 3: in the video there, the fake guy is like, I
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  Speaker 3: forgive you. Um, But what if then the defense is like,
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  Speaker 3: makes a video of the guy saying, your honor, I
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  Speaker 3: really insist you give my killer no jail time whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: And in fact, reward him for what he did to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the entire thing is so crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently the family was even warned. They're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you use this video, you could lose
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  Speaker 2: on appeal. And they did it anyways. Look, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: They're grieving, so I'm not going to blame them. I
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  Speaker 2: think I'm going to blame the state. I'm like, what
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  Speaker 2: are you guys doing? First of all, why would you
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  Speaker 2: want to set this precedent? You want to set this
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  Speaker 2: precedent that anybody can just recreate something? you know, some video,
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  Speaker 2: AI generator. This guy, I mean, no offense, love my sister,
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  Speaker 2: but it's like, hey, come on, you know, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you've got videos of me for thousands of hours speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody could create literally anything of me saying something. Please
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  Speaker 2: don't do so, you know, to anybody who is out there.
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  Speaker 2: If in the event of my tragic death, violent death,
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  Speaker 2: and then use it as sentencing. It's so crazy. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Especially don't show me doing something that I would never do.
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  Speaker 2: And speaking of that, we now also just to show
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  Speaker 2: you kind of like where the world is going. This
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  Speaker 2: was a new company. It's called Tavis. They introduced Griffin.
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  Speaker 2: So we are personally blaming our producer Griffin for having
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  Speaker 2: this name. The first model, which they claim has passed
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  Speaker 2: the video Turing test. To be clear, the video Turing
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  Speaker 2: test claims are from their own study of 54 one
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  Speaker 2: minute phone calls, not independently verified. et cetera, et cetera. However,
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  Speaker 2: the video is pretty damn good. So let's put all
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  Speaker 2: this like Turing test stuff aside just to show you
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  Speaker 2: where things are currently trending and how little you'll be
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  Speaker 2: able to trust that's out there. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 3: Now, how about just a thumbs up? Sure.
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  Speaker 2: One thumbs up coming right up. Hell yeah. That was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I would say you're my favorite coworker.
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  Speaker 3: It's been, it's been really great to work on this
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  Speaker 3: with you.
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  Speaker 2: You're making me blush. Ah, who's that with the ugly sweater? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it definitely looks like it. Oh my gosh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: 1%, you're living on the edge, Hasan.
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  Speaker 2: Truly. I'll keep my breathing steady so I don't drain
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  Speaker 2: your CPU any faster. Wow, you actually did slow down
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  Speaker 2: your breathing. It's like the line between talking to a
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  Speaker 2: machine and just talking to someone is getting really, really thin. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it really feels like we're like, you know, passing the
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  Speaker 2: Turing test soon.
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  Speaker 4: But honestly, if we want people to see the human
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  Speaker 4: part of the simulation, maybe that's the most real thing
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  Speaker 4: we could show them.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think? Is it too much? No, no.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is it. Look, maybe it's marketing on
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  Speaker 2: their part. I'm sure it is. I'm sure there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of tech people who are super excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. For me, I'm like, ban it. Just
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  Speaker 2: ban it. It's like one of those where what utility
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  Speaker 2: is there in these fake Zoom calls. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 2: the spam that's going to be unleashed on people? You're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, oh, let me prove my identity to you
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  Speaker 2: by a quick phone call. It could literally all be
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  Speaker 2: completely fake. I mean, I guess we were already kind
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  Speaker 2: of there. But this, I just, I see a lot
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  Speaker 2: of problems ahead, Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: Make them all be anime or cartoons.
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  Speaker 2: That's smart.
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  Speaker 3: Because, like, people are going to want to engage with these, like,
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  Speaker 3: video robots.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine a world where somebody schizophrenic gets to
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  Speaker 2: program an AI that they get to speak to another
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  Speaker 2: person where it affirms every single thing that they, like,
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  Speaker 2: it's already one thing for them.
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  Speaker 3: It's already happening on the chats.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's happening in a chat, but with video. Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that's really going to help a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the mental health problems that we currently have in our society. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be awesome. All right. Yeah. No, trust me.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to be fine because they're going to buy
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  Speaker 2: this technology tomorrow. And yeah, the real question is when
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  Speaker 2: OnlyFans is going to buy this company, which is the
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  Speaker 2: most likely result of our current system. All right. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get to Annie Jacobson.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to take a lot of jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Somebody's got to cry for them. Let's get to
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  Speaker 2: Annie Jacobson. She's standing by to discuss this crazy lab
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  Speaker 2: leak that's happening in Russia. She's standing by. Let's get
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  Speaker 2: to it. Very excited now to be joined by Annie Jacobson.
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  Speaker 2: She is the author of Biological War Scenario. She previously
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  Speaker 2: joined our show, actually, to not only discuss the book,
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  Speaker 2: but many of the lurking threats in our society and
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  Speaker 2: around the world, specifically present from many of these labs,
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  Speaker 2: which are doing research on infectious diseases and others. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: one of these scenarios, which you specifically write about in
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  Speaker 2: the book, appears to have now be in its beginning stages.
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  Speaker 2: Let's put your tweet up here on the screen, E2, guys,
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  Speaker 2: so I can read from it. And Annie, I'll let
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  Speaker 2: you please like to jump in at any point and
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  Speaker 2: to explain what has happened. A BSL-3 lab accident appears
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  Speaker 2: to have happened in Siberia, the city of Irkutsk, where
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  Speaker 2: there have been multiple now hospitals which were placed under quarantine.
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  Speaker 2: An outbreak of pneumonic plague, which appears to have already
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  Speaker 2: killed one researcher Quarantine is not voluntary. Even in the US,
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  Speaker 2: quarantine is among the most extraordinary measures that a government
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  Speaker 2: can impose on citizens. I know that you specifically study
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  Speaker 2: Russia extensively going into the book writing process. Tell us
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about what we know, the dangers, and
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  Speaker 2: then some of the Russian government's actions that tell us
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  Speaker 2: about how severe this is so far.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the whole situation is completely unusual and bizarre. The
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  Speaker 4: only thing that's not bizarre is that Russia is now
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  Speaker 4: denying everything. After initially having a very strong reaction to
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  Speaker 4: this reported pneumonic plague accident at a lab in Siberia,
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  Speaker 4: which the FSB was involved transporting citizens in ambulances to hospitals,
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  Speaker 4: which are now quarantined. So that is like a heavy
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  Speaker 4: hammer initial reaction. followed by complete denial, which I think
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  Speaker 4: that narrative makes it very troubling because really, look, the
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  Speaker 4: basic bottom line to be worried about is all of this,
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  Speaker 4: is pneumonic plague in the wild is extremely unusual. Usually
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  Speaker 4: it starts as bubonic plague and pneumonic plague becomes the
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  Speaker 4: secondary component. Pneumonic means of the lungs. And so to
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  Speaker 4: have something that is called primary pneumonic plague suggests that
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  Speaker 4: that there could be perhaps biological engineering going on, weapons engineering.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: And so the Russian denials don't seem to make a
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  Speaker 3: whole lot of sense because they come after the reporting
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  Speaker 3: that there was a lab accident, a woman broke a vial,
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  Speaker 3: and then died within days. And now they're saying, well,
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  Speaker 3: it's unrelated. Okay, that doesn't seem remotely plausible. But I've
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  Speaker 3: also heard people say, well, don't worry, we have antibiotics
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  Speaker 3: for some pneumonic plague. What is your sense of whether
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  Speaker 3: or not this would be one of those that we
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  Speaker 3: do have, let's say it does continue to expand, do
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  Speaker 3: have antibiotics for, or is it more likely if it's
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  Speaker 3: coming out of this lab that this is one of
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  Speaker 3: the engineered ones engineered to be resistant to antibiotics?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so let's start with the basic fact about pneumonic plague.
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  Speaker 4: If you don't have antibiotics, it is 100% deadly, meaning
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  Speaker 4: you get it, you die. If you're immediately treated with antibiotics,
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  Speaker 4: and when I say immediately, I mean required within the
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  Speaker 4: first 24 hours, that drops to about a 17% death rate.
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  Speaker 4: So yes, it is controllable. Remember, COVID was 1% death rate.
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  Speaker 4: So 17% is still extraordinarily high. But yes, antibiotics can
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  Speaker 4: kill that, provided it's mother nature's strain. So there's just
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  Speaker 4: no way of knowing. What is troublesome is the whole
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  Speaker 4: sort of like test tube breaking idea. I mean, you
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  Speaker 4: would have to have a wet slurry of Y-pestis. That's
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  Speaker 4: the bacteria.
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  Speaker 2: It would have to.
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  Speaker 4: Splash up in your face, go into your nose. And
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  Speaker 4: if you're a lab worker and you know that happened,
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  Speaker 4: you are going to immediately pull a personal alarm. and
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  Speaker 4: be under doctor's care immediately. So that apparently didn't happen.
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  Speaker 4: This individual was allegedly walking around. The whole thing doesn't
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  Speaker 4: really make much sense. The only thing, again, that does
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  Speaker 4: make sense is Russia clamping down on all this. And
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  Speaker 4: I think they don't probably really care about how they're
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  Speaker 4: perceived outside of Russia. But how this is perceived inside
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  Speaker 4: Siberia is what is most important. In other words, they
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  Speaker 4: have put the immediate kibosh on any local journalist reporting
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  Speaker 4: on this. Those who originally wrote about it have gone dark.
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  Speaker 4: And also local newspapers are no longer reporting on sort
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  Speaker 4: of hospitals being under quarantine. And even more important, some
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  Speaker 4: of them are actually denying they were under quarantine or
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  Speaker 4: that they said they were under quarantine.
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  Speaker 2: In some ways, Annie, the geography is really on Russia's side.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think people appreciate how remote Irkutsk is. It
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  Speaker 2: is one of the most, I think it might be
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  Speaker 2: the most remote city in the globe. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: the coldest, I believe, probably not an accident that the
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  Speaker 2: lab was located there in the first place. We do know,
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  Speaker 2: at least at a high level, we can put E4
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  Speaker 2: up here on the screen. I know that this matches
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  Speaker 2: much of your own reporting. Currently, Axios is saying that
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  Speaker 2: the White House is monitoring the suspected plague outbreak in Russia.
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  Speaker 2: And this morning, Secretary Rubio said that they have all
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  Speaker 2: eyes on the situation. I know you put out on
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  Speaker 2: your feed that you've been in touch or at least
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  Speaker 2: are aware that our national authorities are taking this very seriously.
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  Speaker 2: Can you elaborate maybe a little bit on what that entails?
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  Speaker 2: What does that look like from a monitoring perspective?
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  Speaker 4: When the book published, I was contacted by a number
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  Speaker 4: of current administration officials. I'm talking military, intelligence, diplomatic. Even
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  Speaker 4: the director of the BSL-4 lab at Fort Detrick, Dr. Bergman,
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  Speaker 4: invited me to come do a Q & A with
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  Speaker 4: his staff at that lab, which is pretty extraordinary. But
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  Speaker 4: of course, I was talking with staff about specifically pneumonic plague,
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  Speaker 4: which is pretty surprising. And so When this happened on
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  Speaker 4: Friday morning, I was immediately contacted by the lab director,
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  Speaker 4: you know, about the situation. Of course, they can't tell
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  Speaker 4: me anything that's classified, but it's really more a way
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  Speaker 4: of being a journalist than being able to convey information
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  Speaker 4: to people through social media, which is remarkable. What's important here,
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  Speaker 4: I think, is for, you know, I write this in
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  Speaker 4: the acknowledgement of my book, the point is not panic as.
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  Speaker 2: Much as it's pressure.
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  Speaker 4: And pressure begins with information. And so the fact that
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  Speaker 4: Americans and really the international community at large is paying
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  Speaker 4: attention to this, is asking questions, is learning things like,
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  Speaker 4: wait a minute, what is pneumonic plague? Can we treat
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  Speaker 4: it with antibiotics? These kinds of things are actually a
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  Speaker 4: positive thing to come out of this really grim situation,
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  Speaker 4: certainly for the people in Siberia right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What do you make of the language that's coming out
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  Speaker 3: of Russia where they say pneumonia of unknown etiology?
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry to laugh, but that's just like a straight
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  Speaker 4: up line in my book, because that's the Chinese Wuhan playbook.
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  Speaker 4: Like they said, this is a pneumonia of unknown ideology.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like saying back off and don't ask us
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  Speaker 4: anything else. And so I actually use that line by
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  Speaker 4: Russian officials in the scenario I write about pneumonic plague. Now,
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  Speaker 4: in the scenario I write, the pneumonic plague has been
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  Speaker 4: genetically modified. for greater transmissibility, greater virulence, and to defeat
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  Speaker 4: medical countermeasures, i.e. antibiotics. And so there's a real problem,
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  Speaker 4: and I take the reader from outbreak to anarchy in
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  Speaker 4: six days. We're at like, what, day four here? So
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  Speaker 4: we haven't seen anarchy in Siberia as of yet. But
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  Speaker 4: I think what's interesting here is that a lot of
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  Speaker 4: nomenclature gets thrown at the public, like etiology, so that
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  Speaker 4: people's heads start spinning and they don't really know what
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  Speaker 4: to make of this very dangerous and unnerving situation.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that you write extensively about, warned
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  Speaker 2: about on our show, was the breakdown in international communication.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact, one of the legacies, positive legacies, that
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  Speaker 2: could have come out of COVID was, okay, let's all
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  Speaker 2: just cut the BS. It leaked from the Wuhan lab.
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  Speaker 2: the WHO, the CDC, we all whiffed it and it
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  Speaker 2: was handled terribly. We have a huge breakdown in public
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  Speaker 2: health communication. We need to come together. Probably the opposite
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  Speaker 2: has happened both nationally and internationally. So let's say that
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  Speaker 2: this does progress or become a bigger problem. What mechanisms
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  Speaker 2: are actually in place right now to be able to
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  Speaker 2: stop the spread of something like this? What can we
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  Speaker 2: all look for and how confident are you in those institutions?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's a like multi-headed question, all of which
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  Speaker 4: are important. But let's start with communicating. You know, WHO
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  Speaker 4: has not said anything as far as I know. Pneumonic
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  Speaker 4: plague is a reportable situation. And so my guess is
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  Speaker 4: that Russia hasn't properly reported to WHO. They're trying to
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  Speaker 4: maintain decent relationships. Russia closed its Moscow office, so they're
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  Speaker 4: working out of an office in Europe. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 4: that's problem number one. We haven't heard anything from CDC
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  Speaker 4: as far as I know yet, and that has to
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: do with what I just said about WHO. They try
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: to be in sync. Communication is so important. People knew
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: about this on Friday thanks to social media. Incredibly important.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: You know, the second part of your question was about– sorry,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: tell me that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Again– Oh, I said about communication, and then what's your
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: confidence level in our institutions to be able to respond
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to something like this?
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I'm going to quote a terrifying line that the Pentagon
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: gave me when I was reporting the book, and they said,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: in the event of a major biological incident, there is
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: very little you can do to defend against it, only
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: mitigate extermination. So everybody knows that once something arrives... most
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: specifically if it's genetically modified. Pneumonic plague in the wild
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: has a pretty low transmissibility rate. It's about 1.5, meaning,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: and you know, you have to be like sort of
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: spitting or coughing on someone and you would have to
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: be very sick to be doing that. So that is
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: why these epidemics are generally sort of like burn out
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: before they take over. There was one in 2017 in Madagascar,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: and that's because people travel in really crowded taxis and
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: it caused a sort of super spreader, mini super spreader events.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: So again, genetic modifications to a pathogen like pneumonic plague
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: That is scenario nightmare. Natural pneumonic plague turning into an
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: epidemic is much less realistic. We just don't know. We
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: have to wait and see what will happen with the
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: secondary case infections. But what it is looking like now
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: is we in the West are going to get no
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: news out of Siberia.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: And so I just checked for flights from Irkutsk to, say,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Beijing or Shanghai, you can still go on and get
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: a flight. So the airport, even though it's isolated, this
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: is not the middle of the 20th century anymore. You
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: can get in and out of the area. So my
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: question is, what is the hope that this is contained?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay, there was an outbreak.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Patient zero died, but they quarantined everything and it's back
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: in the lab. How likely is that compared to we
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: start hearing about cases in China or elsewhere?
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Again, this goes back to genetic modification. And the genetic
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: modifications are real. They've been tracked by the CIA and
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: the State Department. They have a legacy in the illegal
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Soviet biological weapons program, which the State Department believes was
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: absorbed into the current program. And those modifications do things
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: like make transmissibility easier by doing things, I write this
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: in the scenario, like inserting a gene for euphoria onto
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: the front end of the pathogen. So imagine if you're
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: on a plane sitting next to someone who has this
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: and it's been genetically modified, they don't feel sick and
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: they may be breathing on you. Mother nature's pneumonic plague,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: if you have it, if it's in your lungs, you're
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: going to be at home in bed If you are
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: on a plane, you are going to be so obviously
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: sick and transmissible. I think in the modern world, no
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: one's going to want to sit next to you. I mean,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: that's a hypothetical, but it just gives you an idea
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: of the radical difference that we're talking about between naturally
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: occurring plague. and genetically modified plague.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: That's my last question, actually, for you, Annie, is about,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: like you said, these genetically modified diseases. So Russia is
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention. Obviously, if you
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: read your book, you know that doesn't mean much for
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: anybody who is the signatory, apparently, to these things. So
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: based on your reporting knowledge, this is a hyper-remote lab,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: literally in the middle of nowhere. Like, I cannot express
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: how remote Irkutsk is as a city, but based upon
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: your knowledge, your reporting and others, is this the type
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: of lab that where if you had some sort of
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: weapons program or even, I mean, it doesn't even have
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: to be a weapons program. It could be like COVID.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It could be some sort of gain of function, risky
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: style research. Is this the type of place where it
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: would be taking place?
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, most certainly. I mean, this lab was used in
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: the Soviet era for biological weapons engineering work. 100%. We
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: know that from Soviet defector scientists. If you look at
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: this lab, it has a six foot high fence with
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: bobbed wire at the top. There's controlled access to get in. So,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: you know, what is going on there is obviously risky research.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Well, everybody go buy the book at the very least
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: so we can be prepared. And I was telling you
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: before the show, you know, they don't give you nearly
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: enough credit, but you called AI use for biological weapons.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: It's now being parroted by so many different tech luminaries.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And then this specific scenario, as well. Always very prescient
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: and ahead of the curve, just like with your previous books.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: So one of my favorite authors, it's such a privilege
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: to talk to you. Thank you so much for joining us.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do a hard pivot out of that one.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: It's pretty scary stuff. We're going to try and end
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: on a light subject, literally a light subject. Let's put
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: F1 up here on the screen. Absolutely out of nowhere,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, while his advisors are meeting at Camp David
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to decide whether to bomb Yemen or bomb Iran again,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: here is what he says. Everybody in Arkansas, Tom Cotton,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a friend of mine, is holding up a very important bill.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It's called the Sunshine Protection Act, or the We Don't
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Want to Change Our Clocks Twice a Year Act. For
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: some reason, Tom is stopping the bill. In the Senate,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it's very easy to do. It only takes one. It
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: should pass overwhelmingly in a bipartisan fashion. So everyone in Arkansas,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: a state I love and I won three times, it
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: lasts by 34 points, Tell Tom to get it done.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It will be appreciated by all. Nobody wants to spend
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: their precious time running all over the place, turning clocks
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: back twice a year, and having sunshine in the afternoon
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: is better than early in the morning. The PGA Tour,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: as an example, will somebody think of the pro golfers
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: out here? Needs more daylight in the afternoon in order
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: to finish their tournaments. Oh, wow. I never thought about
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: it like that. Likewise, regular golfers, tennis players, hunters, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: perhaps more importantly, farmers who want more daylight to play
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: our work. Bullshit. See letter from Brian Ropoff, CEO of
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the PGA Tour below. 65% plus want more sun in
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the afternoon. Daylight savings time the way it is now.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: But 100% don't want to change their clocks twice a year.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: They want, as they say, to lock the clock. Almost
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: everybody wants the Sunshine Protection Act. He continues this long screed.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: And at the very end, he says, so call Tom
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: on his cell phone, gives out his personal cell phone number,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and let him know. The Sunshine Protection Act we have
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: passed in the House by a vote of 308 to 117.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Have the Senate vote. So like I said in our intro,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I genuinely feel like between Trump, you know, Iran war, weed, porn, gambling,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: daylight savings, it's like a personal... attack by God upon
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: my existence. It truly is. And by the way, this
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: actually exposes the entire game because I've been fighting this
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: fight for over a decade now. And again, just to
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: explain it in case you're confused, daylight saving is the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: time that we're in now. We will shift to standard time.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Standard time. for the fallback means we fall back means
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: there's more light in the morning and there is less
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: light in the evening, which every sleep scientist in the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: world agrees is better for you. In case you're wondering, uh,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: all these people who want to go and talk about experts,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the American sleep scientists association, I have to find the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: exact citation. It's on my Twitter feed. If anybody wants
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to go and look for it, it has extensively researched
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the subject and has said standard time year round Would
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: be better if you know anybody in Arizona. They have
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: standard time year-round. It's awesome. If you've ever been to Arizona,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the sun goes up at 4.30 in the morning. It's sweet.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: You wake up at 5.30, it's full brightness. You see
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the canyons, Camelback, all of that. And what has happened
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: is that these Floridians, golfers, sports leagues, and others, They
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: want more people to come and stay in Florida hotels
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: in the winter. So they want, like he even admits,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the golfers and more time to play golf. Will somebody
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: think of the rich country club people so they can
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: play more golf and tennis? They're retired.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Why can't they just get up earlier?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck you. Exactly. Get up earlier.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: All right, so we need to get Tom Cotton's comment
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: on this.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: No, no, hold on. Let's call him. Oh, you're going
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to call it? He's calling it. All right, let's see.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Put it on speaker. Sorry, the mailbox is full and
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: there is not enough space to leave a message. This
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: was not planned, by the way. We'll call him later.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: We'll call him later. I'll text one of his staffers.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I'll shoot him a text. Just left you a voicemail,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: but your phone seemed to be off.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is Ryan doing on his phone
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: while he's talking? So good.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: So good.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: All right, let's put F3 on the screen. Tom Cotton,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: his response here, he says, no one likes change of
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: the clock, me included, but Congress has enacted permanent daylight
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: savings time multiple times before, correct, and it's repealed each
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: time because Americans experience absurdly late sunrises in the winter.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Arkansans don't want their kids going to school in the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: pitch dark, and I will always put Arkansas first. And
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: so that's my, if you live on the East Coast
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: and you support this, you are out of your mind.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: It would be eight o'clock in the morning, maybe even 8.30,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: even nine, depending on, I think in Michigan, nine, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: there would be no sun up. Nine o'clock. Also what?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: The sunset can set at 5.45 instead of 4.45. It
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any difference. But the difference between nine and eight,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: that's a huge difference. You could be, I mean, I've
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: been awake for four hours. or something like that at
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: that point. There's no sun up? That's bad for your biology.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: It's bad for your sleep. And the whole reason that
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: they do this is so that rich golfers and tennis
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: people and people like Nate Silver, who once wrote in
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: his stupid long screed, defending this. He's like, it's so
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: glorious in the summer when it's nine o'clock and you're
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: at a baseball game and the sun is up. I'm like,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: is it? It actually sucks, in my opinion. You know
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I have to wait on July 4th for the fireworks
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: until 9.45? The sun should not be up at 9.30 p.m.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: That's insanity. It should be down by 8.30. That's normal.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: The sun should be up at 4 a.m.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Because it's summer and we have longer days. If you
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: don't like it, get over it. That's how most people
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: live for centuries. So I've ranted long and hard. The
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: floor is yours.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: The funny thing is that Trump... really seems to think
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: that everybody is changing all of their clocks all the time.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: That's another thing i'm like dude we all have phones
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: no one gives a shit and you could make a
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: better argument in the 1970s about changing clocks they all
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: figured it out in fact they all supported this legislation
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: they passed it within a year they repealed it because
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: parents of young children like ryan's who all have to
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: get up and go to school in the morning they
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: hated it and they were killed literally killed by in
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: car accidents yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: So look i mean my kids walk like two miles
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to school.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, by the way. That's actually incredible. More children
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: should do that. Uphill both ways.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: There are uphill parts both ways.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Is that true?
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But, yeah, you want it to be light out
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: while they're doing it. So my solution would be, since
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: we don't actually have to change the clocks ourselves, just
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: move it a minute or two every single day.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: See, I love this.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: This is more standardized. We collectively decide when we want
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: sunrise to be. I would start the opening bid at, say.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: 6.50 a.m. Whatever.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Well, we can– Come on.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: That's super late. Too late? The sun should be up
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: at 5.30 in the morning.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: How about 6?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: No. That's too late.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: You want 5.30?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: 5.30. Who's up at 530? Everybody's up at 530. The
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: vast majority of America is up by 7 a.m. That's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: another thing. People are like, I don't even get up early. Literally,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the statistics show that I think it's like 70-something percent
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: of Americans are awake by 7 in the morning. Just
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: because you're laying in your phone and that's the only
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: light that you're getting doesn't mean that you shouldn't have
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the sun.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Let's say 6. So it moves then with the sunrise
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: and just moves all year long.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Well, that's how it used to be. So I was
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: telling you, one of my favorite museums, the National Watch
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and Clock Museum, I highly recommend it. is there was
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: a revolt actually in our country at the time of
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: the Industrial Revolution because farmers were like, why do I
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: need this standardized time bullshit? They're like, we just live
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: off farm time. I forget what they called it. It
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, solar time. That's what it was. Solar
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: time was we get up when the sun gets up
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and then we go to bed when it goes down.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: We don't care what time you say it is in Washington.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: But eventually they had to care because of the railroad
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and how they would transport all of their goods.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there were different times in say, Chicago and
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: New York and St.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Louis. Which is normal.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: But they weren't uniform at all, so the railroads were
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: losing their minds. And the railroads basically insisted that Congress
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: set the time.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Railroads, with their power, literally set time. And so we've
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: lived on the tyranny of the railroad clock for almost
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: 200 years at this point, not quite.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And it's now time to go back.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: To what we did for the other 50,000 years of humanity.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: So people know I'm a history guy. So there is
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: not one instance in history, not one, where someone has
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: changed the permanent daylight savings time and liked it. So
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I read this book. Mortaza recommended it to me. Defeated.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: It's a history of post-war Japan. And a little anecdote
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that I love. One of the most hated parts of
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the American occupation of Japan was daylight savings time. They
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: were like, this is miserable history. And one of the
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: first things they did after we left was repeal daylight
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: savings time. They're living fine. They're living fine in Tokyo.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: They're doing okay.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: One of the most advanced civilizations in the history of mankind,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the Japanese, one of the first things they did whenever
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: they threw off the American yoke was to remove daylight
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: savings time. Let me tell you about a little place
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: called Russia where they also tried daylight savings time. Immediately repeal.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: They said, oh, no, this isn't going to work. In
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the United States, 1970s, we did it. Nope. After they tried,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: everybody thinks they want it. Everybody thinks they want it
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: until they get it. It would be a nightmare.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: It's like accountability.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Great point. Yeah, you're like, you always want to take,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you need to take accountability, but I don't want to
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: take it for myself. I like the idea of it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: You know, the long history of mankind, is searching for
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: solutions to problems that don't exist, especially in a post-industrial revolution.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I need a personal AI agent to book a flight
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: for me because my time of watching reels on my
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: phone is so valuable. I need more time.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Just have the agent watch the reels.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. The agent is already picking the reels for
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: you or TikTok or whatever you're doing. I need more
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: time so I can gamble and watch pornography. That's the
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: reality of most of people's lives. And so that's what
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: we're doing here. It's like, we're like, oh, life will
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: be so much better if the light is in the evening. No,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it won't. No, it won't. They're like, I'm going to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: play outside with my children. Statistically, you're probably not. All right.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: All right. You know what you're going to do? You're
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: going to watch Instagram. So you might as well do
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it in the dark and then let people wake up
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: early in the morning, at least set their sleep cycle
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: correctly as it should be. It's the best four months
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: out of the year. I personally can't wait. And I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: hope that Tom Cotton, stand tall, my friend. Get back
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: to us, Tom. Yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Couldn't leave you a voicemail.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just so happy that you are on my side, Ryan.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: For some reason, I was like, he may be a
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: permanent daily. Kyle, apparently, is a huge. Oh, that's right.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I saw him in the replies.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: It's hardcore daytime, daylight savings time. Crystal, I believe, is ambivalent.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: She's very ambivalent. So anyway, I will say, it's better
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: for you. The American Academy of Sleep Science has proven
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: this time and time again. There is no evidence that
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: any civilization in the history of mankind who has tried
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: this ever actually liked it. And so there you go.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: You should always bet on those types of trends. If
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you support this, you're wrong and you're an idiot. All right.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: So with all of that said, we're going to do
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: our AMA now live. Everybody give, please, props to Ryan
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: down in the comments. He literally got off a red-eye
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  Speaker 2: flight and just did this entire show. You wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: able to tell. Honestly amazed. I would be dead if
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  Speaker 2: I were you. So serious props to you, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: And with all that, AMA. Let's do it.