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The Left Says They're Not Your Kids, They're 'Our Kids' · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Karambas of Radio America
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  Speaker 2: and Jim Garrity of National Review.
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  Speaker 1: Three Martini's coming up.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Tuesday Three Martini Lunch. We're glad you're here.
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  Speaker 3: Hope you enjoyed our Labor Day special. If you missed it,
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  Speaker 3: please go back and check it out. Jim and I
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  Speaker 3: had a lot of fun with that one, but Jim,
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  Speaker 3: a lot to get to coming back from Labor Day
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  Speaker 3: weekend here. More craziness coming Right off the top here
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  Speaker 3: from some of these Democratic Senate candidates, it's not that
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  Speaker 3: we want to camp out on them. It's that they
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  Speaker 3: give us no choice. Now, over a decade ago, you
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  Speaker 3: and I talked about this a lot at the time.
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  Speaker 3: These crazy left MSNBC at the time hosts would cut
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  Speaker 3: these ads talking about their far left dream. And one
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  Speaker 3: of these commentators was Melissa Harris Perry talking about how
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  Speaker 3: kids shouldn't belong to parents.
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  Speaker 1: We have.
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  Speaker 4: Never invested as much in public education as we should
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  Speaker 4: have because we've always had kind of a private notion
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  Speaker 4: of children. Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.
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  Speaker 4: We haven't had a very collective notion of these are
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  Speaker 4: our children.
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  Speaker 3: So part of it is we have to break.
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  Speaker 4: Through our kind of private idea that kids belong to
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  Speaker 4: their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize
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  Speaker 4: that kids belong to whole communities. Once it's everybody's responsibility
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  Speaker 4: and not just the households, then we start making better investments.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Melissa, I don't think so. But Abdul El-Sayed seems
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  Speaker 3: to love that. Here he is talking about how in
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  Speaker 3: his estimation, you know, if we thought of everybody's kids
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  Speaker 3: as all of our kids, we'd be making better policy.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the number of times people debate whether I'm
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  Speaker 5: a socialist or a capitalist, I'm not a socialist.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a scientist.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a doctor.
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  Speaker 5: But if I have one political philosophy, right, it's that
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  Speaker 5: I I want us to build what we would build
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  Speaker 5: if we took seriously the idea that all of our
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  Speaker 5: kids were all of our kids. If we started with
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  Speaker 5: that idea, that every child is our child, we would
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  Speaker 5: build incredible public schools. We would guarantee everybody healthcare. We
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  Speaker 5: would guarantee childcare. We would stop putting money in bombs
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  Speaker 5: and tanks that kill kids, and we would start investing
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  Speaker 5: them in infrastructure and opportunity for kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want you making decisions for my kids.
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  Speaker 3: That's my job, but we'll get into that A little
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  Speaker 3: bit more in just a second. Then he was in
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  Speaker 3: another setting. This one was with Neera Tanden, who, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, five minutes ago, Jim, was warning Democrats about
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  Speaker 3: candidates like this. But I guess once he's won the primary,
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  Speaker 3: all bygones are bygones. But this one, he's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit right in the beginning, but definitely wrong at the end.
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  Speaker 6: We've got this culture in our society that we've allowed
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  Speaker 6: to fester where we think that when people don't have means,
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  Speaker 6: it's because they have failed.
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  Speaker 1: Poverty is not a failure.
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  Speaker 6: That when people live in persistent poverty, it is a
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  Speaker 6: failure on our society and not on those people. And
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  Speaker 6: that we should be driving that conversation and have the
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  Speaker 6: courage to have that conversation against this cult of hard
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  Speaker 6: work like everybody's got bootstraps to be pulling up. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, just because you're poor doesn't mean you're
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  Speaker 3: not trying hard and working hard. Those two can certainly
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  Speaker 3: be right. But the idea that there's a cult of
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  Speaker 3: hard work and that it's society's fault whenever somebody doesn't
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  Speaker 3: measure up and finds themselves in poverty. So Jim, target
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  Speaker 3: rich environment here. He wants to call the shots for
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  Speaker 3: your kids and all that hard work. What a canard.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, when you start the program with two clips from
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  Speaker 1: Abdul Al-Sayed, you put me in a situation where I
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  Speaker 1: have no choice but to declare there's a lot to
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  Speaker 1: unpack here. First of all, thinking back to that Melissa
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  Speaker 1: Harris Perry promo for MSNBC, now MSNOW, The US spends
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  Speaker 1: we just passed the threshold of 1 trillion dollars on
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  Speaker 1: public schooling from coast to coast and everyone so but
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  Speaker 1: one question is When would you she says we've always
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  Speaker 1: underfunded our public schools. Have we really like what what
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  Speaker 1: is the threshold in which you would say? Okay, that
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  Speaker 1: is a sufficient level because my suspicion is no matter
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  Speaker 1: how much it goes up It's not always going to
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  Speaker 1: the argument from the left is always going to be
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  Speaker 1: you have to go higher and Fairfax County, where I'm
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  Speaker 1: in right now, they spend a pretty penny on schools.
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  Speaker 1: They might be spending a little bit less than in
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  Speaker 1: previous years. There are times where you can go over it,
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  Speaker 1: but they pride themselves on that. By the way, public
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  Speaker 1: schooling has traditionally been a local priority. Richer communities have
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  Speaker 1: more to spend than poorer communities. However, there's an extensive
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  Speaker 1: amount of federal grants that are available. The federal government,
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  Speaker 1: state governments do a lot to help out poorer school districts. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: none of this fits into an MSNBC one. When Abdul
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  Speaker 1: Al-Sayed echoes this argument of it's not your kids, it's
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  Speaker 1: not my kids, it's all of our kids. I am
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  Speaker 1: reminded of former Texas Senator Phil Graham, who was, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: running for president. He was up in New Hampshire or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. And some woman at a town hall insisted.
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  Speaker 1: that she cared about Phil Graham's kids as much as
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  Speaker 1: he did. And he did not believe that. And they
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  Speaker 1: went back and forth until finally he said, what are
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  Speaker 1: their names? And unsurprisingly, the woman could not name them.
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  Speaker 1: So the argument that I abstractly care about your kids
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  Speaker 1: as much as you do as their actual parent, that
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  Speaker 1: just doesn't hold water. It just doesn't. You could be
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  Speaker 1: a very good, well-meaning person, but that doesn't necessarily mean
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  Speaker 1: that you're going to care more, ergo your decisions are
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  Speaker 1: the right ones. Thirdly... when I see him say, like,
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  Speaker 1: there was a while where the, for the children, turned
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  Speaker 1: into this, like, there was this backlash against it. People
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  Speaker 1: started to recognize that any terrible policy can be justified
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  Speaker 1: if you say, it's for the children. Flock cameras, we
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  Speaker 1: need this for the children. You know, the Orwellian surveillance state,
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  Speaker 1: we need this for the children. The US government knowing every,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, every, whatever you're doing, they can basically say, well,
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  Speaker 1: what do you not care about kids? You know? Remy,
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  Speaker 1: who makes funny videos for the Reason channel, makes a
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  Speaker 1: very funny song, which is basically called People Will Die.
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  Speaker 1: And it was basically like, if you want the speed
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  Speaker 1: limit above 15 miles an hour anywhere in the country,
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  Speaker 1: people will die. You know, the idea that any policy
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  Speaker 1: could be justified in the name of safety. This is
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  Speaker 1: the philosophy that's at work here. When Abdullah said we
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be spending money on bombs and tanks that kill kids,
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  Speaker 1: any bomb or tank that can kill any adult... is
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  Speaker 1: also going to be capable of killing kids. Now, you
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  Speaker 1: try not to. Our side does not aim for kids.
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  Speaker 1: The other side, we might be coming up on an
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  Speaker 1: important anniversary coming up this week. They don't care about
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  Speaker 1: civilian casualties. They don't care if they hit kids. Beslan
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  Speaker 1: School Massacre, things like that. I suppose Abdullah Syed would
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  Speaker 1: like our tanks to be made of Nerf, so they're
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  Speaker 1: squishy and you won't have contact with it. Finally, the argument,
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  Speaker 1: the cult of hard work. Mike Rogers, please run an
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  Speaker 1: ad on this and please say, Do you think the
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  Speaker 1: problem with America is that we work too hard? Or
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  Speaker 1: do you think the problem with America is that not
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  Speaker 1: enough people work hard enough? And I think that I
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  Speaker 1: find it very hard to believe that the problem is
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  Speaker 1: that Americans work too hard. Are there Americans who are overworked?
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  Speaker 1: Are there Americans who work too hard? Yeah, probably. But
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  Speaker 1: this argument, like you point out, no, not everyone who's
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  Speaker 1: poor has made bad decisions that have put themselves in
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  Speaker 1: that situation. but some have. And it's really unfair. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that you're poor is not automatically a sign of
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  Speaker 1: being virtuous. It's not automatically a sign that you've made
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  Speaker 1: good decisions. It's not obviously a sign that you have
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  Speaker 1: worked hard. So again, it does not surprise me that
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  Speaker 1: a Democratic candidate is denouncing the cult of hard work.
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  Speaker 1: And let me point out, had you talked to me
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  Speaker 1: anywhere from like teenagerhood to maybe 25 or so, when
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  Speaker 1: that delayed development of executive function and male brains finally
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  Speaker 1: kicks in. I might have agreed with you, that's darn
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  Speaker 1: cult of hard work. There was a time in my
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  Speaker 1: life I was kind of lazy. So that's when I
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  Speaker 1: was in the target demographic for Abdul El-Sayed in this message. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping this does not succeed. I've got to admit,
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  Speaker 1: the polling has had him a small lead so far.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Rogers, got to get on the stick. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: This is about beatable guys you're ever going to find
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But the left has gone down this road, not just
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  Speaker 3: since that ad from Melissa Harris Perry, but well before that,
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  Speaker 3: thinking that they just know better. I mean, that's their
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  Speaker 3: mantra on everything. And so just get on board. Nancy Pelosi,
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  Speaker 3: you'll find out what's in the bill after we pass it.
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  Speaker 1: That kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Just trust us. We know better. about what is good
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  Speaker 3: for you than you do. So instead, most of us
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  Speaker 3: would be like, give me as much of my money
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  Speaker 3: back as possible from the taxes that I pay and
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  Speaker 3: let me make the decisions on where my kids go
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  Speaker 3: to school, what doctors they see and that sort of thing. Instead,
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  Speaker 3: Abdul El-Sayed and so many others just want government to
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  Speaker 3: dictate all this stuff. That's their idea of these being
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  Speaker 3: our kids.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like you get the ads right themselves. What
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  Speaker 1: has the federal government done To make you believe that
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  Speaker 1: they deserve more power and more authority about how your
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  Speaker 1: children are raised.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Get out of my life.
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  Speaker 1: Put it that simply.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want the government in my children's life.
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  Speaker 1: Hardly at all.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, like we said, target rich environment for Mike
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  Speaker 3: Rogers and other groups potentially involved in that campaign. So
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  Speaker 3: we will see. We will see. There's less than two
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  Speaker 3: months now to go. before Election Day. But speaking of
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  Speaker 3: health care, if Abdul El-Sayed gets its way, it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a lot more complicated. He'll be waiting a
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  Speaker 3: lot longer and it's just going to be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: eventually lead to rationing because there's no other way out
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  Speaker 3: of it once you start trying to not hemorrhage money
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  Speaker 3: all over the place. But for right now, when it's
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  Speaker 3: time to find a doctor, there's no better way to
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  Speaker 3: do that than with ZocDoc. ZocDoc could not be easier.
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  Speaker 3: It lets you search and compare local in-network doctors and
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  Speaker 3: Jim and I have both used ZocDoc and have had
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  Speaker 3: great results.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Greg, I don't know if Abdul El-Sayed is
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  Speaker 1: on ZocDoc. He's not a practicing physician, so he's probably not.
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  Speaker 1: His wife is a practicing physician. She's a psychiatrist and
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  Speaker 1: she does not take Medicare. But ironically, of course, Abdul
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  Speaker 1: El-Sayed wants Medicare for all, which you won't have private insurance.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're going to have to do this through
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  Speaker 1: the government. Look, whatever your insurance plan ZocDoc can help
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  Speaker 1: you find a doctor. It lets you search and compare
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  Speaker 1: local in-network doctors, more than 150,000 providers within more than
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  Speaker 1: 200 specialties across all 50 states, including Michigan. They also
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  Speaker 1: have tons of reviews from real patients and detailed doctor
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  Speaker 1: profiles to help you choose the right one and not
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  Speaker 1: one who says, I want to raise your children for you.
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  Speaker 3: slash 3ML. Ah, James Tallarico, you thought you were off
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  Speaker 3: the hook today because we talked about Abdul El-Sayed and
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  Speaker 3: the first martini. Not so, my friend, not so. Well,
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  Speaker 3: James Tallarico, of course, is trying to pretend that he's
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  Speaker 3: a centrist now because he's running in Texas and needs
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  Speaker 3: to win statewide in the general election. So he sat
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  Speaker 3: down with CBS News and he's claiming, oh, I was
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  Speaker 3: very critical of Joe Biden's handling of the border crisis.
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  Speaker 3: And to his credit, the CBS reporter during the interview says,
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  Speaker 3: when exactly was that? Before Biden left office or after?
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  Speaker 3: And watch the slick way that James Tallarico tries to
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  Speaker 3: slip out of the trap here. Now, hat tip to
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  Speaker 3: Western Lensman online for getting not only the CBS News clip,
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  Speaker 3: but the actual speech Tallarico is referring to here and
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  Speaker 3: how it doesn't match up at all to what Tallarico
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  Speaker 3: says it did.
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  Speaker 7: I called out Joe Biden when he failed us on
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  Speaker 7: our southern border, when there was complete chaos in our
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  Speaker 7: border communities. I called him out for his failures on immigration.
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  Speaker 7: And I'll continue to call out any Democrat who is
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  Speaker 7: not serving the people of Texas. When did you push
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  Speaker 7: back against President Biden's policies?
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  Speaker 8: Was it during his presidency or was it after the fact?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, you know, I gave a speech in 2022 in
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  Speaker 7: the middle of his presidency calling out the failures of
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  Speaker 7: the administration.
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  Speaker 1: Mr.
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  Speaker 8: President, you saved our nation once by defeating Trump. Now
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  Speaker 8: we need you to restore its soul by defeating Trumpism.
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  Speaker 1: We need.
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  Speaker 8: We need you and our nation's leaders to start using
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  Speaker 8: every tool in the toolbox to protect our freedom. Lease
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  Speaker 8: federal land to abortion providers, declare a public health emergency,
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  Speaker 8: impeach justices who lied under oath, prosecute Trump and his
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  Speaker 8: fellow insurrectionists, and finally call the filibuster what it is,
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  Speaker 8: a Jim Crow relic that's standing between the American people
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  Speaker 8: and cheap prescription drugs, universal pre-K, and.
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  Speaker 9: A livable planet.
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  Speaker 8: Mr. President, play to the fullest extent of the rules.
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  Speaker 3: So you'll notice that right before he said, I condemn
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  Speaker 3: the administration in 2022, he didn't mention that he was
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  Speaker 3: condemning them for their horrible immigration policy. If anything, that
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  Speaker 3: was back in his, the border should be a welcome
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  Speaker 3: mat phase of his political career. So Jim, you got
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  Speaker 3: to pay close attention to these people because they'll try
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  Speaker 3: to fool you all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, I tell you, James Tallarico treats the truth in
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  Speaker 1: his constituents the way Ken Paxton treats his wife. Just
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  Speaker 1: one betrayal after it. I hope people are watching on
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  Speaker 1: the YouTube version just to see Greg's reaction when I
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  Speaker 1: say these things. No, but this is, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: People of Texas, Ken Paxton is an exceptionally flawed human being.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what? Ken Paxton's fairly honest about what
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  Speaker 1: he's done in office. If James Tallarico is telling you,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I stood up against this, oh yeah, I was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then he didn't. If he can't be
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  Speaker 1: honest about what he's done, why do you think he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be honest about what he's going to do?
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to get even a John Fetterman style
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  Speaker 1: Democrat if you elect this guy. You are going to
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  Speaker 1: get a Bernie Sanders down the line lefty guy. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is Texas perhaps not quite as red as
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  Speaker 1: it used to be? Yeah, it's been 30 some years
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  Speaker 1: since any Democrat has won statewide. Nonetheless, like this guy,
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  Speaker 1: like there's a certain shamelessness there. I talk about having
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  Speaker 1: the dead eyes of a reanimated Howdy Doody doll. There's
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  Speaker 1: just the absolute confidence in which he insisted that, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he made it sound like he got in Joe Biden's face, right?
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  Speaker 1: That he was, oh, no, you weren't. No, to the point,
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  Speaker 1: to the degree you should criticize Joe Biden's presidency, it's
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  Speaker 1: because you thought he wasn't hard enough to the left,
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  Speaker 1: because he wasn't progressive enough, and you wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of this quote-unquote Jim Crow relic. Would that be
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  Speaker 1: the same Jim Crow relic that Democrats are using right now?
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  Speaker 1: to block a whole bunch of Trump administration priorities that
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  Speaker 1: Republicans want to do. So Democrats are the minority. So
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  Speaker 1: the filibuster is good again, right? And if they win
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  Speaker 1: the majority, it's going to go back to being bad.
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  Speaker 1: We can see this. You say these things on camera.
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  Speaker 1: They don't disappear. And you're all hoping that people won't
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  Speaker 1: go back and check what you said. So there is
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  Speaker 1: a shamelessness here that is kind of shudder-inducing in the
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  Speaker 1: case of Tallarico. The utter confidence. I mean, I just
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  Speaker 1: think he should probably be doing that... that A24 documentary
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  Speaker 1: that's coming out with the Theranos lady, that raw ability
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  Speaker 1: to lie. I'm just doing wide ranging in my pop
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  Speaker 1: culture references.
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  Speaker 3: Today, Greg. No, no, this is just amazing, but completely
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  Speaker 3: par for the course. And this happens across the political
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  Speaker 3: spectrum to some extent. People think they can glibly get
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  Speaker 3: their way out of any political bind based on their
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  Speaker 3: ability to just have the gift of gap You know,
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  Speaker 3: the Republicans, they shouldn't have done it. But what they
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  Speaker 3: should have just threatened to do publicly, like when the
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  Speaker 3: Democrats want a court pack and want to add four
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  Speaker 3: more justices, the Republicans like a year ago should have
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  Speaker 3: been like, OK, let's do it right now. When the
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Democrats freak out, like, oh, so it's not a good
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  Speaker 3: idea or it's only a good idea when you have
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  Speaker 3: the votes to do it.
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  Speaker 1: So at some point, you know, there's going to be a,
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  Speaker 1: you know, someone's going to say to Tallarico, wait, are
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  Speaker 1: you absolutely sure you stood up to Biden? That sounds
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  Speaker 1: like a deception. He's going to say, of course I'm
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  Speaker 1: not deceiving you. I'm engaging with you as a human being.
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  Speaker 1: Why would I deceive you? There's no reason for me
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  Speaker 1: to do that. You're being real right now? I'm always
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  Speaker 1: being real. For those who have not seen, this is
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  Speaker 1: a movie coming out. It's a documentary about the woman
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  Speaker 3: same story, two different aspects to it as we move
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  Speaker 3: forward here on the Three Martini Lunch. Last Friday, you
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  Speaker 3: and I talked about the many different aspects of the
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  Speaker 3: Lindsay Clancy case. And at that time, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: TV like right over our shoulder was judged soon to
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  Speaker 3: declare mistrial on Friday. And ultimately he did. There was
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: a delay. And as the defense attorney tried to get
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  Speaker 3: the juror removed by appealing to the Massachusetts Supreme Court
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  Speaker 3: and the Supreme Court's like, we're not getting involved in this.
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  Speaker 3: You guys have your own. issues to deal with. So
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  Speaker 3: ultimately it's a mistrial. It seems like it was an
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: 11 to 1 split. And the defense attorney, Kevin Reddington,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: with what I consider an extraordinarily irresponsible statement outside the
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  Speaker 3: courthouse on Friday about that juror that didn't go his way.
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  Speaker 9: They know that they were robbed by one man for
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: whatever his agenda was, who stole seven weeks of the
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  Speaker 9: life of these other jurors that were so attentive So beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Wonderful.
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  Speaker 9: And listen to this evidence. And you could see how
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  Speaker 9: defeated they were sitting there. And I got a funny
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  Speaker 9: feeling that they would have gone on for another week
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  Speaker 9: if they had to. So I hope that guy can
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  Speaker 9: sleep well at night.
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  Speaker 3: I got a feeling he's sleeping very well at night. Jim,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they lost seven weeks no matter what happened here.
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  Speaker 3: I know a lot of them wanted the verdict. And
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  Speaker 3: the forewoman was basically giving out clues to who this
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  Speaker 3: juror was and so forth. I mean, the defense attorney
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  Speaker 3: basically said everything except where this guy lived, and it'd
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  Speaker 3: be a shame if anything happened to him.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, last week you mentioned the play 12 Angry Men,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and it's considered one of the classics of American playwriting.
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  Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen it, I suggest everyone go
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: out and see it because it you know, involves a
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: case of, I believe it's a young man accused of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: stabbing his father. And, uh, it's the first vote by
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the jury is 11 to convict one to acquit. And the,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, ah, you know, it's just this one guy
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  Speaker 1: who's a holdout looks ridiculous. And then, you know, each
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  Speaker 1: one of the jurors has a personality. Each one is
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: kind of bringing their own baggage to the decision and,
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  Speaker 1: and their own perspective. And over the course of the play,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: which is like two or three hours, the one holdout
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  Speaker 1: juror kind of convinces each one of the other one,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: pointing out holes in the prosecution's case. And bit by bit, eventually,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to give a spoiler result,
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  Speaker 1: but the, you know, okay, the play's like been around
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  Speaker 1: for like more than half a century. You've had plenty,
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  Speaker 1: like plenty, we're going on like 60, 70 years now.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so they acquit him, right? And so it's
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: kind of this, you know, the juror, you know, it's imaginary, right?
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  Speaker 1: but it's a depiction of what can happen in the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: jury room. And there's kind of this recognition that part
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: of our system of justice is you are judged by
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: a jury of your peers, 12 citizens, and they go
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and they deliberate behind closed doors. And I don't want
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to say there's something mystical about it, but we, the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: rest of the public, don't know what's happening inside there.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know. The prosecutor doesn't know. The defense attorney
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't know. Not even the judge knows until they come
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: out and they read their verdict. There's almost something like
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: sacred and quiet about it. Now, in the modern era,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a juror on a high-profile case, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the OJ jurors all went out and got their book deals.
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  Speaker 1: They all went out and did it. They can talk
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: about it, but the verdict has to come in before
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that occurs. Now, in this case, there was no verdict
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: because of the holdout. Maybe that guy was being ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: I do think it's the contention that he had an agenda. Well,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I think his agenda was to not acquit someone he
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: believed was guilty. That's a very simple, straightforward... And that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: is completely within his duties as a juror. There is
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: no provision in U.S. law where if it's 11, eh,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: close enough, but you really should go along with the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: consensus on that one. In fact, the story of the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: play 12 Angry Men is the heroism of the juror
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  Speaker 1: who feels enormous pressure to fold and go along with
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: everyone else at the beginning... But he adamantly believes the
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: defendant is not guilty and goes through the re-examines the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: evidence and effectively convinces everyone else. Clearly, this guy couldn't
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: do that. We don't know what the deliberations were like.
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  Speaker 1: My suspicion is that somebody will end up on, I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: don't know, Dateline NBC or one of those shows and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: telling the story of what happened there. But in the end,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: this is the job of these, you know, like you're
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: supposed to make the best case for the conviction and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the defense makes the best case for the acquittal. This
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: is how it shook out. Hung juries are frustrating. but
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: they are a part of our system and they're an
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: entirely natural part of our system. And the implication that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: this guy had some sort of bad agenda and that
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: he deserves some sort of punishment for what he did
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: is a direct assault on the entire principles of our U.S.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: justice system.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And, you know, juror intimidation at the point where,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: you know, somebody coming.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Into the parking lot and taking pictures, which happened earlier
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: this week or late last week, you know.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Great movie.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Henry Fonda is the holdout juror. Jack Klugman's in there.
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  Speaker 3: And it all depends on different people that you notice
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: at different times in life. We had just had our
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: first kid, I think. Maybe we had two kids by then.
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  Speaker 3: And one voice is just ringing in my ears. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I'm like, who is that? That voice sounds familiar. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: my wife says, yeah, that's Piglet in the movie, The
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh.
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  Speaker 1: So Piglet was not on the jury, but the actor
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  Speaker 1: who If I remember correctly, juror number three is the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: cranky one. It was very quick to judge this guy's guilty.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get this thing over with. And I believe in
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: school before we saw the film, we actually read it
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: out loud and I got to play number three. And
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I remember, you know, kind of like, and he's the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: one that towards the end is like, fine, everybody else
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: wants to go innocent. I'll go innocent. And he's like,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: he's kind of like the prototypical irresponsible juror. Who's just like,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I just want to get out of here.
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  Speaker 4: Fine.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Let's acquit the guy. I don't care if he killed
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  Speaker 1: his dad, you know? Um, and it was just like,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it's funny, but yeah, it's one of those things where, um,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Everyone brings their own baggage to a jury proceeding. And
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  Speaker 1: it's very interesting. You can see the degree to which
• 24:00
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  Speaker 1: in the jury. But in the end, you never really
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  Speaker 3: also involving Kevin Reddington. There were a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: who talked about what a talented and skilled lawyer he
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  Speaker 3: was during the trial. And then as we talked about,
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  Speaker 3: as we got towards the end of it and didn't
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  Speaker 3: get the verdict he wanted, he got increasingly unhinged. He
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  Speaker 3: was apparently on Good Morning America this morning talking about
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  Speaker 3: the case. And President Trump has already weighed in on this.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not in favor of his client, if you
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  Speaker 3: haven't seen that clip. But nonetheless, Reddington wants Trump to
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  Speaker 3: get involved.
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  Speaker 1: What's next for Lindsey?
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to say that perhaps Donald Trump, who felt
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  Speaker 2: compelled to speak out about this case, may very well, Mr. President,
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  Speaker 2: I would hope that you would consider this young lady,
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  Speaker 2: the type of person she is, what she's been through,
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  Speaker 2: and consider a pardon.
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  Speaker 3: Now, if George Stephanopoulos, or as Rush used to call him,
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  Speaker 3: George Stuffin Envelopes, had any clue on this case, because
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  Speaker 3: the first thing I thought of when I saw that
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  Speaker 3: clip Lindsey Clancy's not facing any federal charges, and that's
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  Speaker 3: the only type of convict that Donald Trump can pardon.
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  Speaker 3: But either Mr. Reddington doesn't know what he's talking about,
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  Speaker 3: or he's trying to make other people think that he's
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  Speaker 3: onto something, which he's not.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: So, Greg, I find myself thinking, if we doubted this guy,
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  Speaker 1: what are you thinking? He'd probably say, look, you missed
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  Speaker 1: 100% of the shots you don't take. Yeah. Might as well.
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  Speaker 1: There's a chance Trump doesn't say no, but, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I find myself, like, there was a time where
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  Speaker 1: the sleazy lawyer who was absolutely shameless was a stock
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  Speaker 1: comedy character. How many times have we heard, I'm Lionel
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  Speaker 1: who was this obvious Johnny Cochran type character. I blame
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Bob Odenkirk. and the Better Call Saul series for turning
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  Speaker 1: the sleazy lawyer into a complicated, sympathetic character. Because there's
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a part of me that's like, it used to be like, oh,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: this lawyer is utterly shameless. He's trying to get a
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: clearly guilty defendant off. They're trying to get, you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: have no consequences for criminal behaviors. I remember Matt Frewer,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: who played Max Headroom. In some TV series for MTV
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: or something, he played one. And the funny thing is,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: he was actually a pretty good lawyer. And at one point,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: you know, like he's defending some teen defendant and somebody's like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: is this criminal charge going to keep him out of college?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: And he tells the parents, you don't have to worry
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: about that. His grades will do that. But so we
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: used to be able to laugh. There's something really, you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: skin crawling about this guy going on Good Morning America
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: and not one attacking the jurors we discussed earlier in
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: this program, but also kind of saying that this guy
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: deserves a presidential pardon. For what is, as you noted,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a state-level crime and thus not really eligible for a
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: presidential pardon. This is also, like, I guess the other
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: thing is, like, if Trump's, you know, like, the next
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: thing Trump could do is, like, if I could pardon her,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I would. And let's further taint the jury pool to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: make people think, oh, this is some sort of, you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: terrible injustice for her.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're Kevin Reddington, man, at least go 100%
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: on this. You got to be like, here's her red hat.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Here's her yard sign from 2024.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Biden administration, my prosecutor was clearly tied
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: in with the Biden crew and she loves crypto and
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Jim, it was not a slow re-entry from Labor
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  Speaker 3: Day weekend. I'll see what's on tap tomorrow. Talk to
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  Speaker 3: you then.
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  Speaker 1: See you tomorrow, Greg.
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