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Fast Laps with the Boys - F1 2024 - China Preview · Banter with the Boys

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  You're listening to Banser with the boys.
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  From high octane to adrenaline, starting lineups to starting grids.
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  Right, right.
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  Gridiron to Grand Prix, get laced up.
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  Let's go.
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  It's time for Banser with the boys.
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  Yo yo yo, welcome back to Banser with the boys.
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  Fast laps once again.
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  Obviously I'm smelty.
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  Next to me today is Joe.
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  Joe, what's going on?
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  Happy to be here.
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  Happy to be here.
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  We're happy to be here.
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  Well, hey, sometimes there's nothing else to be said, you know what I mean?
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  And so across the table from me, Tyler, what's poppin?
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  What's happening?
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  What's happening?
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  Glad we got another race this weekend.
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  Two weeks is too long.
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  No doubt.
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  No doubt.
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  No, I did feel like it took forever for this.
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  I kept thinking we had a show and we did not.
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  So I didn't know what to do with my typical Tuesday.
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  Cole, typical Tuesday.
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  How's your week been, buddy?
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  Typical Tuesday, man.
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  Not too bad.
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  You know, we're getting some rain today.
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  Don't love it.
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  Hey, don't hate it either, right?
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  Honestly, I love it.
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  I love it because it gives me a break and a day to catch up, to be honest, working in
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  a seasonal field up here in Minnesota.
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  What I would also love is if Gunter bought a stake in an F1 team, that would be wild,
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  but we might touch on that later.
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  I'm just rolling right into the Japanese recap, pun intended.
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  Anyway, that was lame.
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  But the podium, obviously, old Maxwell on the podium, followed by Checo and Science,
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  not super eventful.
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  So I guess let's kind of just start off with talking about that top 10.
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  Joe, you got a couple of facts there about Max and his win here.
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  Yeah, 3,000 career laps led.
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  That's a big number and it's only going to grow throughout the year.
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  4,000 next year.
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  No, 4,000 probably in two years.
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  He's led a lot of laps.
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  This is his third consecutive Japan win.
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  Yeah, it's more of the same, unfortunately.
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  Yeah, I mean, straight dominance.
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  I mean, obviously, Red Bulls followed by the Ferraris.
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  Are we that surprised by that?
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  No, no, it's pretty straightforward.
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  I think it's kind of what we expected.
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  I know a lot of us had both the Ferraris in the top.
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  Checo had a pretty good race, right?
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  But speaking to your point there, how many laps is Hamilton at?
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  Isn't he at like 6,000?
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  Is he at like double of what Max is?
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  I thought it was something that was a lot more.
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  That fact is inbound, by the way.
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  We got a couple of people crunching it.
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  We have analysts in the background right now just slamming numbers.
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  Slamming it around.
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  OK, I got the numbers.
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  So down the line, you're right.
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  Lewis was 5,455 and then it's Schumacher with 5,111 and then it's Vettel with 3,500 and
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  then Max with 3,000.
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  So he's still got a bit to go to get up there.
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  He's definitely going to pass Vettel at least.
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  He's going to pass Vettel no matter what.
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  He'll make it to that 5,000 as well.
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  Will the Red Bull be good enough in 2026 to get him up to 6,000 past anyone else has?
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  That's a question.
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  If you're Cole, you're going to be like, absolutely not.
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  Well, I mean, I think the big thing too is it kind of just shows really it shows Hamilton's
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  dominance.
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  I think we kind of overshadow that the last couple of years because he hasn't been as
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  dominant.
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  Obviously, he doesn't have the car and everything, but it kind of shows his dominance, even with
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  McLaren pulling out the championship.
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  He's been a dog for a while and obviously 3,000 seems like a ton, but to be like half
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  of Hamilton, it's kind of crazy.
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  Yeah.
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  Sorry, go ahead.
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  No, go ahead.
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  I was just going to say, I think Max's dominance right now might outweigh Lewis's dominance
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  in his peak.
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  So if Max were to get, this is, I'm knocking on wood here.
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  If Max were to get six championships in a row, he's getting that 6,000 easy.
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  Especially in the, like there's an asterisk with the three of the top four because we're
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  in the new age of 20 plus race seasons.
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  Nikki Lotta didn't get that luxury.
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  Artin Senna didn't get that luxury.
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  So it's like, it's for Max to be already fourth all time with three driver's championships.
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  It's pure dominance.
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  Don't get me wrong.
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  It's obviously him dominating, but it's just like, you're not going to get even Schumacher
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  in the early nineties.
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  You know, they didn't have those, those 2024 race seasons for them to accumulate all that.
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  The thing that kind of sucks too is even if Max blows, like I love that point.
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  I wasn't even thinking of that, but like if Max blows past Hamilton, it's still going
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  to be in the back of the mind.
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  Like, okay, you know, it's like when they change the rules in the NFL, right?
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  They always go back to that.
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  It's going to be that same thing with Hamilton.
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  No, Hamilton did it with this.
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  It's like the Jordan, Jordan LeBron debate right now.
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  And does that take anything away from what they're accomplishing though?
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  You know what I mean?
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  Like it is kind of that, that like Jordan LeBron, Kobe deal, blah, blah, blah, whatever
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  it is.
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  Um, it's just a different era.
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  They're the best of their era.
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  I think that's kind of what it becomes at that point.
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  I mean, obviously Lewis was dominant as heck, but is it as impressive as a Schumacher with
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  that point that you brought up Tyler?
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  Like I guess no, right?
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  I don't think so, especially with Schumacher.
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  If you look at the level of competition that Michael Schumacher was racing year in and
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  year out, you know, it was, it was in my opinion, I guess a lot more than what even Lewis had
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  when Max currently has like at the end of the day, it did like, there's like maybe three,
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  four drivers on the grid right now that you could feasibly see actually winning a race,
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  right?
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  What if they were on a similar car?
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  We brought that up before.
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  I know.
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  And that was kind of pointless to even bring up, but that was the thing about the nineties
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  is the cars were more similar, right?
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  You obviously still had the advantages in the grand scheme of things, but the cars
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  were more similar.
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  So it did come down to actual racing level and, and, and pure skill, but like what, what
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  Schumacher did, it's just simply incredible.
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  Not that it's not for Lewis and you know, Max is going to get to at least five championships.
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  It's just simple fact of the matter at this point, but it's, it's just, it's crazy because
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  Lewis even did it in the era where they had the, it's like the hybrid era or whatever
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  it was where they've made the switches and then Mercedes was just on top every year.
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  That car was second to none.
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  Veltri, Bates was finished in second most of those times too, you know, where, where
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  where Red Bull last year was the first time Checo finished.
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  Like Max had a number two, but I think another thing about, um, Hamilton is the one thing
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  he'll always have over Lewis.
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  If we're doing the Jordan LeBron debate, he won in the McLaren.
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  You said Lewis, one thing about Lewis you have over Hamilton.
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  Oh, sorry.
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  One thing that Lewis has over Max is like the Jordan LeBron debate is that Lewis won
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  in a McLaren.
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  You know, if Max keeps his dominance, great.
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  But if he keeps it in this car, cool, but is it, are you comparing just Max and Lewis
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  now?
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  But like even with that to kind of bounce back on your point, I mean, have you guys seen
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  the movie Rush?
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  Yeah.
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  No, it's a great, great movie.
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  It's about Nikki Lauda.
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  Oh, I've heard about this, but like that kind of ties into your point.
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  It was like drivers going at each other because their cars were pretty similar, but it was
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  like, okay, who's the best driver?
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  Yeah.
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  And then they came down to just the ultimate skill and determination back in those days.
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  Like those cars were the least safe thing in the world.
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  Yeah, no doubt.
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  And we're not, I mean, we're not trying to discredit Lewis or Max's skill.
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  I mean, it's evident every race still Lewis may, you know, some of his passes are insane
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  or whatever it may be, even though his car is not a rocket ship.
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  And they're both completely different drivers, right?
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  Lewis is going to win on like strategy and he's going to get the cleanest line and he's
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  going to get the cleanest laps where Max is going to bring out the elbows and he gets
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  a lot of his moves from a sheer intimidation factor because that other driver knows where
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  staffing ain't giving up.
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  He's not letting up.
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  But don't you guys kind of hate watching it?
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  Like where they just give up like that?
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  Yeah, I hate when they just let him pass.
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  Like even what even this happened a couple weeks ago, maybe it was a team order.
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  You think if Max is in the vicinity, what I'm thinking about is Alonso a couple weeks
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  ago, like he's arguably like if anybody is going to keep you behind him, it's Alonso.
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  He's amazing on defense and he just let the guy, I think, I don't know if it was check
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  or Max, but he just let him go walk right by him.
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  And that's so frustrating.
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  If it was checko, it would make sense.
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  But oh, you're saying, OK, my bad.
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  I thought I thought about that from the wrong way.
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  It's like almost frustrating to watch because you just given up.
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  And if there's a fight to happen, Alonso is going to be able to bring it to you.
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  Yeah, even in a slower car.
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  Exactly.
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  No, I mean, it's a great point.
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  I just, again, I just want to make sure we're not taking away from Max and Lewis.
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  They're so skilled, but I think at the moment, you know, because of those less races, we
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  do got to look at Schumacher still as the king and that short tangent right there.
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  We just went on, but it was worth it.
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  Looking again at that top 10 from Japan, Lando finishing fifth, almost a full 15 seconds in
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  front of Alonso.
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  Is that is that kind of what we're expecting at this point in the season for McLaren?
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  Is that going to be hopefully become the norm that they can beat out Alonso?
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  I'm not going to say Aston as a whole because stroll, but at least beat out Alonso.
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  Is that what McLaren is looking for?
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  They want that that five, six at least locked in, if not battle for three, four.
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  I mean, they definitely want to battle for three, four, 100 percent.
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  But I think at this time in the season, they're outpacing they're outpacing Aston Martin and
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  fighting with Alonso in certain situations.
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  If it wasn't Alonso in that Aston Martin, we wouldn't be like it wouldn't be a conversation.
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  That's what I mean.
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  Yeah, but like so it's like a battle.
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  Yeah, right.
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  So it's not necessarily like Mercedes or Aston.
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  It's Mercedes or sorry, McLaren versus Aston.
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  It's a lot of risk.
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  Alonso doesn't matter what car he's in.
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  A hundred percent.
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  Maybe not the Alpine.
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  I don't think he'd be much of a battle in that Alpine right now.
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  But again, it just gives more like just kind of backs the points, you know, around Alonso.
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  He's just a dog.
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  Yeah, like fight a Red Bull Alonso.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And then obviously you got George Russell coming in at seven.
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  I mean, a decent run from George.
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  I don't really have anything to say on that at all.
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  Moving right along, Piastri at eight.
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  I mean, at least he's in points.
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  I'm surprised by that.
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  I figured that the McLaren just looks so much better than the Mercedes right now.
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  I really thought that both McLarens were going to be above the Mercedes.
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  I have to almost give that point almost fully to Fernando.
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  If he wasn't defending like he does against Piastri, I don't think George would have caught
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  him like that.
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  He pushed him back into George fully.
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  Okay.
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  Japan looks a lot like, I mean, just from like if you're just looking at the track,
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  you don't really know much about it.
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  You haven't raced it in the F1 game.
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  Like it looks a lot like it's just an easy, fast track.
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  It's so technical.
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  Like if you've ever raced in the F1 game, even those big windy turns, it's like, okay,
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  I'm in second gear right now.
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  I should be in fourth.
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  I guess that's what the guys are doing that are flying through.
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  So especially like a lot of these guys, I think it's actually a pretty good position
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  for Piastri because a lot of the guys above him had that experience there and they know
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  how to really maximize those turns in that track, especially.
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  So that's interesting.
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  You have played it on the game though?
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  Oh yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  When I did last week and of course I want to, you know, I didn't play China coming up,
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  but oh well.
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  When I played Japan, I noticed how like how many or how little opportunities you have
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  to actually make a pass, you know.
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  There's only one DRS though.
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  It's definitely a really like fast, tight, like you said, technical is probably the best
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  word for a track.
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  Tyler, have you raced it on the game as well?
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  What do you think?
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  It's definitely tight.
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  I mean, it's tough that we're pros, right?
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  But yeah, it's really technical.
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  I mean, there's not a lot of opportunity to pass.
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  Like there's only one DRS zone.
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  You don't see that often.
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  And that's really modern day F1.
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  You're passing under DRS.
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  You're not getting a slipstream and getting that corner very often anymore.
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  It just, it just doesn't happen.
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  So it's like without DRS, you're not going to see a lot of passing unless you are a Red
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  Bull who didn't have to pass at all because they started one to where it's like that's
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  the only passing you're going to see if the Red Bull starts, if Checo starts seventh or
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  eighth, it's going to work his way up to the third or second, you know.
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  So it's like, oh, okay, the Red Bull is going.
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  I think it's a win definitely for McLaren.
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  I mean, they're not really, they're pretty much in third by themselves, right?
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  I mean, I think Mercedes has dropped pretty far back, right?
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  Yeah, it's like, I would think so.
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  We're actually going to give an update.
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  35 points, yeah.
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  What are we going to do here?
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  Just around that with McLaren, I mean, Piastri just getting points, getting eighth, I think
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  in that track, I think it's, I think it's still a big win.
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  I think it's still a big win for Piastri.
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  It's a huge win for Lando, I think, in fifth.
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  See, I don't think so because it's like you expect the McLaren to be there.
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  It's the third fastest car on the grid.
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  So that fifth, sixth is where you really would expect him to be.
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  I think it's just like Joe said, it's just a Fernando effect though.
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  I think, I think Piastri finishing up there, it's a win.
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  He finished above Lewis, you know, it's just a huge win.
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  Yeah, he still beat the Mercedes.
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  There is that, there is that.
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  And it isn't ninth.
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  So there's also that, right?
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  But with that ninth Lewis, just again, George and Lewis, seven to nine for Mercedes, just
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  kind of a disappointment for them, I would imagine.
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  And heading into this week, as we'll touch on later, I don't think it's looking really
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  any better.
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  Have they came out with any updates?
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  Does anybody know anything special?
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  They're bringing new to the table.
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  I haven't read any news, but all the news headlines I've seen have not looked great
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  for Mercedes.
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  So that seems to be the general consensus every week right now.
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  Maybe just looking, looking forward to those new regulations.
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  And then Yuki, Yuki getting, is it a point for 10th?
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  Getting a point at his home track.
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  How cool is that?
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  So cool.
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  It's so awesome.
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  It's awesome to see Yuki do that.
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  It's like a, it was a great drive too.
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  He made a job.
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  It was like, yeah, it was like fourth place with a piastry in Australia.
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  Like it's like it's right there, but it's still awesome to see it, you know, the hometown
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  doing like that.
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  Yeah, it was really cool to see.
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  Only sergeant can do something like that when he comes back to the States.
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  You never know dude, if you get a nine car pile up, he just has to beat up one pile up.
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  He's causing that pile up.
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  Let's be honest.
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  I mean, that's only if Stroll's on a wrecking ball that weekend.
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  It's only if Stroll's the best qualifying of his life.
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  Is that how we're going to get the pile up, is Stroll, he's the cause?
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  Yeah, well if it's not Logan, I mean, there's only one other feasible option.
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  Well, no, no, no, we got Logan's got to win.
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  So it's got to be Stroll then.
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  That's what I'm saying.
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  Yeah, they got to work together.
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  Logan's not winning.
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  He might grab a 10th if there's nine cars out.
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  I think me and my friends were making this joke earlier about how that would be like
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  the scenario is like either Stroll or Logan crash out Max and I'm like, they're never
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  going to get to Max.
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  Max has got to lap him.
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  Yeah, they can't even get there.
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  Well speaking of crashing, obviously right off the bat, we had Ricardo and Alex allegedly
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  looked like a racing incident.
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  What did you guys see on that one?
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  He pushed him out, right?
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  Like he didn't, he didn't allow the line for him to come up around the outside.
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  I think this is completely on Daniel.
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  I just, I don't think he saw him and he was trying to get to that line going into the
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  corner.
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  He was more focused on Lance coming on the inside and you could see Daniel actually looking
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  at that inside mirror and he didn't look at that outside mirror when he was going out
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  and Albon's in a spot where he can only go one spot.
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  Yeah, I agree.
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  Yeah.
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  You just got to give up the space.
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  There's no penalties though, right?
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  No, they completely said it was a racing incident and I kind of agree, but if someone had to
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  take blame, it would be Danny for sure.
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  It's just an honest mistake.
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  I mean, was anybody directly behind Albon at that moment?
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  I can't remember.
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  Could he have tried to check up?
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  I mean, obviously it happened so fast that Daniel just went outside to avoid that, but
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  like could you check up there?
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  Yeah, but you have the line, right?
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  You're going to gain.
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  You're going to gain essentially two positions by doing that because you're passing Danny
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  and Stroll.
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  Yeah, you're right.
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  Going into that corner.
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  For sure.
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  And it's balls to the wall.
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  Start of the race.
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  You got to get as many as you can, especially like we were saying, how technical it is.
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  Get as many as you can as fast as you can right away before everything spreads out.
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  Especially in that Williams.
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  Williams is not a slow car and Albon's a great racer.
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  I think if he takes those two spots, you'll see him in the points.
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  Yeah.
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  Sure.
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  Sure.
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  Moving right along.
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  Joe, I know you saw maybe a couple of different things about Charles maybe having a different
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  pit strategy.
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  You touch on that at all?
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  Yeah, sure.
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  I think and not even really just like what I saw after the race, just during the race,
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  he definitely had the longest stint out of everyone.
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  He was on those tires for way longer.
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  He was managing.
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  What was he on?
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  I can't remember.
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  Were they mediums?
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  I think they were mediums.
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  Yeah.
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  So he was on mediums for a while.
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  There were people pitting around him.
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  He was in first.
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  He was in second because he hadn't pitted.
• 16:53
  Going from eighth to fourth, finishing off is amazing.
• 16:56
  Yeah.
• 16:57
  Managed way better than everyone else, I think.
• 16:59
  Definitely says something.
• 17:00
  He had a few moments that I guess maybe detract a little bit, but knowing that he was on such
• 17:05
  old tires, that kind of helps him out too.
• 17:08
  Sure.
• 17:09
  Sure.
• 17:10
  His ability to manage the tires in this race was just absolutely incredible.
• 17:12
  It was incredible.
• 17:13
  Nobody was being able to do that.
• 17:14
  He was out there 10 laps past where everybody else was throwing the hards on.
• 17:18
  Yeah.
• 17:19
  100%.
• 17:20
  That's a lot of energy and that's not something you hear often from that red Ferrari.
• 17:23
  No.
• 17:24
  Yeah, definitely not.
• 17:25
  And it earned him driver of the day too.
• 17:26
  So everyone more than he earned.
• 17:27
  It did.
• 17:28
  Good.
• 17:29
  Good.
• 17:30
  Because he was putting down some good laps too with those old tires yet.
• 17:31
  That's the thing.
• 17:33
  So we have to mention it.
• 17:35
  We already talked about Logan Sargent.
• 17:36
  You know, obviously we're here in the US.
• 17:38
  So we mentioned the not hometown, but home country folks.
• 17:43
  Obviously, Haas team not in points this week.
• 17:48
  Not necessarily a disappointment, but Hoganburg finished 11th.
• 17:52
  He was right there, right there, ready for points, but to no last.
• 17:57
  So obviously we hope, at least I don't know, I hope to see Haas perform better.
• 18:02
  Gunther seems to have something coming out every week about some little blurb about wanting
• 18:06
  to be better than them in some form or faction in his next adventure.
• 18:10
  But I love that guy.
• 18:12
  Yeah, no doubt.
• 18:13
  No doubt.
• 18:14
  So let's, we'll just take a quick second.
• 18:17
  We'll go into season standings update for you and constructors.
• 18:25
  Welcome back.
• 18:26
  Of course, we're going to head right into the season standings, the championship driver
• 18:29
  standings.
• 18:30
  Then to do that, we have our boy Hands.
• 18:32
  I mean, I'm sorry, Tyler, allegedly he said his nickname was Hands while we were just
• 18:38
  off right there.
• 18:39
  So whatever's going on there, whatever, take it away from me.
• 18:43
  All right.
• 18:44
  So we're going into the driver standings, as we all know and expect.
• 18:47
  We got Verstappen kind of running away with it right now, but really not really.
• 18:50
  I thought it would be a lot farther gap than it is right now with Verstappen at 77 points
• 18:55
  with Checo at 64.
• 18:56
  So there's only a 13 point difference there.
• 18:58
  That DNF dude.
• 19:00
  Yeah, that's right.
• 19:01
  That was pretty big.
• 19:02
  That's no points.
• 19:03
  That's huge.
• 19:04
  And then, you know, right now it's just the battle of the top three.
• 19:08
  You got Leclerc and Sians fighting it out for third there.
• 19:11
  There's a four point difference and then the McLaren's going at it as well with Oscar and
• 19:16
  Lando having a five point difference.
• 19:19
  Obviously, Lando in front there.
• 19:21
  Then he pops down into seventh with George Russell and we have Fernando Lewis and Stroll
• 19:26
  rounding out the top ten and then Yuki on the board with seven points on the year and
• 19:31
  Ali Baerman in 12th point 12th place on the year right now with six points, which is just
• 19:37
  absolutely incredible that he is still probably going to finish higher than maybe five or
• 19:42
  six drivers on the grid this year, only having one race.
• 19:46
  So I really hope that cat gets a seat next year.
• 19:49
  He could probably finish ahead of the only other two drivers that have points right now,
• 19:54
  which are the both Haas drivers.
• 19:56
  Very feasible.
• 19:57
  There's a real possibility of that.
• 19:58
  Yeah, like, I mean, let's be honest, he'll probably finish in front of both Alpines,
• 20:02
  both Saubers and Logan Sargent, maybe even Albon, because the Williams just doesn't look
• 20:08
  good in both Haas's.
• 20:10
  He could finish.
• 20:11
  He could finish right where he's at.
• 20:12
  12th and 13th.
• 20:13
  I expect Danny Rick to eventually pick it up.
• 20:15
  Hopefully he gets in at least 10 points, but I don't know at this point.
• 20:19
  And then as Melty just mentioned, we have the two Haas drivers, Nico Hulkenberg and
• 20:22
  Kevin Magnussen with the only two drivers or two other drivers with points with Nico
• 20:27
  having three and K-Meg with one.
• 20:30
  There's really no surprises on this.
• 20:31
  You know, Danny Rick not having any points is a little bit surprising to me going into
• 20:35
  the year.
• 20:36
  Albon not even being close to points this year, a little bit surprising.
• 20:40
  But other than that, it's kind of as expected.
• 20:43
  The biggest surprise, I guess, in my opinion, would be it's only a 13 point gap between
• 20:47
  Verstappen and Chequette.
• 20:48
  I was actually pretty surprised too about Hamilton only being at 10.
• 20:51
  I guess looking back in the season, I didn't realize he did that bad.
• 20:54
  Another DNF.
• 20:55
  True, true.
• 20:56
  Oh, that's right.
• 20:57
  Still 14 behind Alonso on the Aston.
• 21:01
  That's tough.
• 21:02
  Yeah, that's wild.
• 21:03
  And Stroll is only one behind you.
• 21:05
  That's tough.
• 21:06
  Yeah, Lewis is not.
• 21:07
  Lewis's car hasn't been him and Lewis on the car haven't meshed well at all this season.
• 21:12
  That's the thing, because you even look at Russell, he's only 14 points back at Russell.
• 21:17
  So is that car is just not anywhere close to where it needs to be.
• 21:20
  And George is driving that car far better than Lewis at this one.
• 21:23
  Oh, yeah.
• 21:24
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 21:25
  At the end of the year here, obviously, I think Hamilton's top six, top seven.
• 21:29
  Throw it out there right now, especially after finishing second last year.
• 21:33
  Well, I was going to say last third.
• 21:35
  Sorry, I didn't lose kind of start figuring it out towards the end and start finishing
• 21:39
  a little bit better.
• 21:40
  So I'm kind of season break the midseason break.
• 21:42
  Yeah, I kind of turned it over and then was like, oh, OK, I can actually drive a car.
• 21:46
  Yeah, I'm not like expecting that again, but kind of from a guy that we could consider
• 21:52
  a quote unquote living legend right now who's still racing.
• 21:56
  I would expect I think that's a good guy.
• 21:58
  Do you think top seven or top six?
• 22:00
  I must say top seven, top seven, seven.
• 22:03
  OK, but other than that, I mean, I could feasibly see this ending in pretty much the exact same
• 22:08
  order.
• 22:09
  Maybe Lewis moving up a couple of spots.
• 22:11
  But I mean, that that Aston, what Alonzo is doing in that Aston looks far better than
• 22:16
  what that Mercedes and either two drivers they're doing.
• 22:19
  And Mercedes is a better car than that Aston.
• 22:21
  No, for sure.
• 22:23
  But again, the driver, which leads into another thing that we'll talk about later with Alonzo
• 22:28
  , which is was a surprise and kind of not really.
• 22:32
  But we'll get into it.
• 22:33
  We'll get into it.
• 22:34
  Let's just let's just head right into the constructor standings then.
• 22:37
  Also, obviously, I know not a lot of people care about the championship driver standings
• 22:42
  probably right now, but obviously we do.
• 22:44
  So we're just going to give it to you anyway.
• 22:45
  So we're going to give you that constructors as well.
• 22:47
  So Cole, Cole's got that for us.
• 22:49
  Yeah.
• 22:50
  So no surprise at first here with Red Bull 141 Ferrari at 120.
• 22:54
  Another DNF at a Red Bull.
• 22:55
  I mean, maybe we see Ferrari climb up.
• 22:58
  I would love to see it.
• 22:59
  We got McLaren in third, Mercedes in fourth, Aston in fifth, Racing Bowl Honda at seven
• 23:07
  and Haas at Ferrari at four.
• 23:09
  And then Williams, Kicksauber and Alpine all rounding out with zero, eight through 10th.
• 23:14
  There are big things that popping out here, obviously with Haas.
• 23:17
  I mean, thank God for a Yuki as far as racing ball.
• 23:23
  But I mean, Haas with four, I mean, it'd be pretty awesome to see them, you know, get
• 23:27
  to seventh.
• 23:28
  I don't think they've ever done that since they've been around.
• 23:29
  It's kind of tough to see it without Gunther being behind the helm.
• 23:33
  Aston, I think we're going to see Mercedes and McLaren.
• 23:35
  That's going to be the big fight at the end of the year.
• 23:37
  And hopefully Ferrari can bring it to Red Bull at the end of the year here too.
• 23:40
  That's kind of what I'm looking for.
• 23:42
  I'm curious if God forbid we get one more DNF from a Red Bull and not any from the Ferraris.
• 23:49
  Can they catch Red Bull?
• 23:50
  Is it realistic?
• 23:51
  But until somebody like challenges Max, it just feels not realistic.
• 23:57
  I feel like it's not even a fantasy world.
• 23:59
  I feel like it's not even challenging Max.
• 24:01
  I feel like the big thing we want to see here is two threes out of Ferrari, two threes out
• 24:05
  of Ferrari consistently.
• 24:06
  I think we're going to be OK if you're a Ferrari fan, you're going to be happy with that.
• 24:10
  You're just going to be chipping away, I think.
• 24:11
  They have to get a couple of wins in there though, too, though.
• 24:13
  Like you have to throw in three, four wins the rest of the year between the two drivers.
• 24:18
  And I mean, to me, it just comes down to Checo.
• 24:20
  It's how consistent is Checo going to be?
• 24:22
  Because he's looked pretty darn good this year.
• 24:24
  And this was a really good bounce back race for him.
• 24:26
  But I mean, that leads into it.
• 24:28
  Why wouldn't they resign him unless they have somebody ready to go already?
• 24:33
  He's making a good case to stay one more year.
• 24:35
  It's crazy that he's not even in the talks either.
• 24:38
  Yeah, nobody's talking about Checo coming back.
• 24:40
  It's all who's going to replace Checo.
• 24:41
  Everybody's assuming he's gone, but if he's not, why?
• 24:45
  Who else are you going to put in there?
• 24:47
  And we've talked about that.
• 24:48
  Like Carlos, who, you know.
• 24:52
  So I think I want to jump in and get your guys' opinion on two different fights here.
• 24:56
  Haas and Racing Bowl.
• 24:58
  What are your guys' thoughts there?
• 24:59
  I mean, I don't think Haas can do it.
• 25:01
  It'd be pretty cool to see him go six.
• 25:02
  Obviously, we have a lot of Haas fans in here, a lot of guys that like Gunther.
• 25:06
  But I mean, do you think they can pull it off?
• 25:07
  Or do you think obviously, I hope we see Ricardo jumping back up and getting points.
• 25:11
  I think Racing Bowl might run away with it.
• 25:13
  But do we see anybody have Haas taking that spot in six?
• 25:16
  I think we got to see what Ricardo does.
• 25:19
  I think he hasn't done enough yet.
• 25:20
  And we'll just see whether it's car, driver, combination of both, whatever it may be, before
• 25:25
  we could like make that guess or assumption.
• 25:28
  But I'd like to think that Haas could beat him out 100%.
• 25:33
  I mean, Nico looked at if not getting a ton of points, he looked consistent so far this
• 25:38
  season.
• 25:39
  I mean, so if he's consistently battling at least for that one point, probably against
• 25:45
  Yuki and Daniel, who knows?
• 25:48
  Maybe they could just chip away at it as the season goes on.
• 25:50
  Yeah, I mean, that's Haas' ceiling.
• 25:52
  Tenth is Haas' ceiling.
• 25:53
  Tenth is Racing Bowl's ceiling.
• 25:54
  They're like, you can't expect more than that at this point.
• 25:57
  Right.
• 25:58
  So and I mean, it's only a three point difference.
• 26:00
  That's three of the next six races, K-Mag or Hulk finishing above Yuki.
• 26:05
  Because that's what it comes down to at this point, unless Danny Rick figures it out.
• 26:08
  K-Mag and Hulk have been very, very, very consistent.
• 26:11
  They're in that 10th through 13th, 14th every race.
• 26:13
  Pretty much every race.
• 26:14
  Danny's in that 10th through 14th every race.
• 26:17
  Danny's consistently 13th to 16th every race right now.
• 26:20
  Right.
• 26:21
  So it's like Haas has been more consistent.
• 26:23
  Yuki had that, you know, that eighth place finish that gave him those those six points
• 26:26
  that one race or whatever it was that, you know, kind of popped him up there.
• 26:32
  So it's going to be a fun race to see though, or a fun fight between it, shall I say?
• 26:35
  I think the fluke there is Aston that close to Mercedes.
• 26:38
  I think Mercedes will run away with that here at the end of the year.
• 26:40
  I don't think and I think Aston's pretty locked in at the fifth spot.
• 26:44
  But I mean, 34 to 69 with McLaren and Mercedes.
• 26:47
  I think I think Mercedes brings it to him.
• 26:49
  I think it's a fight last three races of the year.
• 26:51
  What do you guys thoughts on that?
• 26:53
  You think Mercedes brings it to McLaren?
• 26:54
  Yes, I think it's a fight last three races of the year.
• 26:57
  That's where all our eyes are.
• 26:58
  No way.
• 26:59
  I don't think so because I think McLaren is finally going to start being being more consistent
• 27:04
  themselves.
• 27:05
  And they've already shown it a little bit already early this season.
• 27:08
  They're going to keep coming out with upgrades just like everybody else.
• 27:10
  And I think this is the first first time in a minute.
• 27:13
  I mean, when was the last time McLaren finished above Mercedes?
• 27:16
  Did they last year?
• 27:17
  No, Mercedes finished two last year.
• 27:19
  So like I think I think we could see it.
• 27:22
  I think it will be a battle towards the end.
• 27:24
  I do think that.
• 27:25
  But I think McLaren will edge him out.
• 27:27
  I think the biggest telltale sign there is obviously we just talked about the driver's
• 27:30
  standings there.
• 27:31
  Hamilton with only 10 points.
• 27:33
  I mean, that's not where he's going to finish.
• 27:34
  He's not going to finish in ninth.
• 27:35
  He's going to climb up a lot.
• 27:36
  He's going to get a lot more points.
• 27:37
  I think that's you know, that's why I said seven six, because I think he might be able
• 27:41
  to edge out a couple of McLaren.
• 27:43
  I think that's a fair point.
• 27:44
  And kind of going back to what you said during driver's standings.
• 27:50
  Mercedes has two drivers that are getting them points.
• 27:52
  There's only Alonso Alonso can do a lot.
• 27:54
  He can I'm sure he can defend both of them, but he's one man strolls not getting points
• 27:59
  to help out Aston Martin.
• 28:00
  That's what I'm saying in terms of what we were talking about.
• 28:03
  Mercedes versus McLaren.
• 28:04
  And I'm saying I'm so I'm saying Mercedes, I think I think you're right.
• 28:08
  They're going to start pulling away from from Aston Martin.
• 28:11
  I don't know if they're going to get to McLaren's level level.
• 28:14
  I think McLaren McLaren might have third locked already.
• 28:18
  Oh, yeah.
• 28:19
  I agree with Joe on this one.
• 28:22
  Yeah, I mean, if you look at when McLaren made the switch right about midseason last
• 28:27
  year, all they have done is continue that progression and the car has increased increasingly
• 28:31
  gotten better.
• 28:32
  You have PS3 has raced every track but China on the circuit this year.
• 28:36
  So he has experience there.
• 28:38
  Landos only getting better.
• 28:40
  And Mercedes, you can't say the same for that car.
• 28:42
  They started getting better as McLaren got better last year.
• 28:44
  And I would say we're on par in terms of how the cars were developing and then hit a landslide
• 28:49
  over the summer.
• 28:50
  And that car is nowhere close to Mercedes at this point.
• 28:52
  So it would be sorry McLaren at this point.
• 28:55
  So I would it would have to be a substantial jump from Lewis and George both to be because
• 28:59
  I mean, at the end of the day, I think McLaren has points for the two drivers locked in.
• 29:03
  I don't see Lewis or George having a three four like spot separation consistently enough
• 29:09
  in the race between the McLarens for them to close that gap.
• 29:11
  Sure.
• 29:12
  So you're saying that you agree with Joe the gaps too wide.
• 29:15
  It's too wide too far gone too wide.
• 29:16
  Yep.
• 29:17
  So you also do you think the Mercedes is kind of done on this car this year?
• 29:21
  Yeah.
• 29:22
  You think they're giving up on this car this year?
• 29:23
  I mean, what the what the at this point, I think they were they were content.
• 29:27
  They're not happy obviously with fourth, right?
• 29:29
  They're not going to lose fifth.
• 29:30
  Asson's not going to be able to like Mercedes will pull away from Asson.
• 29:33
  I fully expect that.
• 29:35
  But I just don't think what if what if stroll can be Lewis?
• 29:38
  You know, what if George keeps being half consistent?
• 29:42
  That's just not consistent.
• 29:43
  Stroll beating Lewis like that.
• 29:44
  That's a lofty, lofty, lofty.
• 29:46
  Obviously, Alonso is going to be battling that fifth, sixth, seventh spot all all year
• 29:51
  pretty much Alonso and George are going to fight all year long.
• 29:54
  Yeah.
• 29:55
  I think that's going to be the battle between them.
• 29:57
  And then it's just a matter is if if like Mercedes has to split the McLaren's, they
• 30:04
  have to start splitting the McLaren's right if they have to consistently keep finishing
• 30:07
  with Lando above George and even Lewis above Piastri, that doesn't do McLaren any good
• 30:12
  or Mercedes any good.
• 30:14
  And I just I just don't see George or Lewis taking the gap to consistently finish above
• 30:20
  Lando.
• 30:21
  And that's what it's going to take.
• 30:22
  So the way I would agree or disagree is I think that Mercedes right now does not want
• 30:26
  to leave Lewis with a bad taste in his mouth when he leaves his last year after all they
• 30:30
  brought him.
• 30:31
  I think they're going to throw everything they can into this car to make sure they can
• 30:33
  finish at least in the top three.
• 30:35
  That's where that's where my mind's head on it.
• 30:39
  Fair enough.
• 30:40
  Fair enough.
• 30:41
  Let's just let's just take it from there.
• 30:42
  So that was obviously a new little spot there for us.
• 30:45
  Let us know if you like that, how often you want to hear the points update every other
• 30:49
  episode, every three, four episodes, whatever it may be.
• 30:53
  But yeah, that was that was kind of interesting.
• 30:55
  I like that like to hear in everybody's opinions.
• 30:58
  With that, we'll just move right into our news.
• 31:05
  Head and right in, obviously the biggest news probably of our last two weeks since we've
• 31:11
  been here.
• 31:12
  Alonzo, re-signs with Asson.
• 31:16
  Who wants to talk about that?
• 31:18
  Because that was kind of the biggest, biggest news of the last two weeks.
• 31:22
  Anybody excited about that or or the opposite of that?
• 31:25
  Surprised that it that it happened.
• 31:27
  So I kind of wanted to throw this over to Tyler, because I think a couple of weeks ago
• 31:30
  you didn't touch on it, you went on diving it too much, but you never expanded on it.
• 31:35
  Why did you think Alonzo was going to go to Red Bull?
• 31:38
  Because I thought that they would do at this point, Alonzo has maybe one to three years
• 31:42
  left.
• 31:43
  I think Red Bull is going to try to maximize with maybe one or two years of Alonzo at the
• 31:46
  end of his prime here, pair him with Max, lock down those two, you know, that that one,
• 31:50
  two in the standings.
• 31:51
  And then when the new regulations come out, evaluate from there.
• 31:55
  I really did.
• 31:56
  And I thought and at the end of the day, too, it may it would make it makes all the sense
• 31:59
  for Alonzo go and chase those last couple of championships while you still have it.
• 32:02
  Get yourself in the best car.
• 32:04
  I'm honestly surprised he resigned with Aston.
• 32:07
  What do you think he's chasing at this point?
• 32:11
  That's the question, because he's not going after a championship in that Aston Martin.
• 32:14
  Money.
• 32:15
  I was about to say, is he chasing wins or is he chasing the bag?
• 32:18
  Because I think Lawrence has given him that money.
• 32:20
  100 percent he's given him the money.
• 32:22
  But at this point in Alonzo's career, you would like to think that he has made enough
• 32:25
  money where like if you're going to continue racing, it's not like Red Bull is going to
• 32:28
  give him a little.
• 32:29
  So now, granted, there's probably 15 to 20 mil difference in terms of what Aston, but
• 32:35
  Red Bull would pay him.
• 32:36
  Maybe that's so much.
• 32:37
  That's so much, though, because you look at Max, he's rumored to have, you know, 75 or
• 32:40
  100 million dollar contract.
• 32:42
  Lewis was second with like 55 Lando's at like 20 on his old deal.
• 32:45
  He's probably close to 25, 30 now like Alonzo's probably making 20, 25 at Aston.
• 32:52
  Checo has to be making 15, 20 a year.
• 32:54
  Right.
• 32:55
  So how much would they actually lowball and comparatively?
• 32:57
  I doubt Aston's paying him 40 mil a year and Red Bull, I think, would easily give him 20.
• 33:01
  Who are they going to replace and not pay him 20 mil a year?
• 33:04
  Yeah, no, that's a good point.
• 33:09
  It is weird that he resigned with Aston to me.
• 33:12
  I would have thought he would have at least wanted to wait until the season was over,
• 33:16
  until there was more movement going on just to see what would happen.
• 33:19
  Because I would imagine he's at the top.
• 33:20
  He was at the top of Red Bull's list, you would think.
• 33:23
  I think it makes more sense if they keep him, if they're not going to keep Stroll, like
• 33:27
  if you're going to bring in a rookie or somebody that he can help and kind of guide and kind
• 33:31
  of be a leader to.
• 33:32
  But Stroll's there, where's Stroll going?
• 33:34
  Exactly, exactly.
• 33:35
  That's why I'm saying it doesn't make sense, because unless you're bringing in like he's
• 33:38
  he'd be a good fit if you're bringing in a rookie driver that can watch him and learn
• 33:41
  from him.
• 33:42
  It makes sense for Aston.
• 33:43
  It makes all the sense in the world for Aston to retain him because you're getting one of
• 33:46
  the top drivers on the circuit who is going to fight for those, you know, fourth, third
• 33:50
  through sixth place finishes and is going to keep your team in the top six in the constructors
• 33:53
  by himself.
• 33:56
  Right there, by himself.
• 33:57
  So when is when is the time to look at Stroll?
• 34:00
  Like I know his dad, I know.
• 34:01
  It's not going to happen as long as Lawrence is running the team.
• 34:04
  He wants to win a championship so damn bad.
• 34:07
  No, he doesn't.
• 34:08
  He obviously doesn't.
• 34:09
  He obviously doesn't.
• 34:10
  He just wants his name out there.
• 34:11
  He's putting the brand out there.
• 34:12
  That's it, dude.
• 34:13
  To me, he doesn't want to act deep down.
• 34:16
  He doesn't actually want to win a championship.
• 34:17
  That's why he's staying with what he's already doing this year.
• 34:20
  He's fine finishing whatever the hell they are right now.
• 34:23
  Fifth like, oh, God, I'm just I'm so irritated with them because I feel like it's just time
• 34:28
  to move on.
• 34:29
  And obviously we know it would be hard.
• 34:31
  You're a father, you know, if your kid was raising for you in F1, I know that's that's
• 34:35
  a crazy thing to think about.
• 34:37
  But like I'm sure that would be difficult.
• 34:39
  You know what I mean?
• 34:40
  Especially when you're the main supplier of the money.
• 34:43
  How long is how long is this contract again?
• 34:45
  It wasn't.
• 34:46
  I wouldn't say but he came out and said it was the longest contract he's ever signed.
• 34:50
  So three years we're thinking I would say three years max because he's never been one to sign
• 34:53
  a long term contract.
• 34:54
  He's he's a bouncy guy.
• 34:55
  He has one year into the new regulations.
• 34:57
  Then that third year would be the first year of new regulations.
• 35:01
  He's been two years, two years, three years.
• 35:04
  He's already on a contract this year.
• 35:05
  So it would be three, five, six, three.
• 35:06
  I got it.
• 35:07
  I got it.
• 35:08
  You think he's banking on that?
• 35:09
  Maybe that's why he signed the regulations.
• 35:12
  Maybe he's seeing something that he's like him.
• 35:14
  Like we were talking about Lewis.
• 35:15
  Or next year's car he might look like the develop.
• 35:17
  I don't know.
• 35:18
  It must be a combination of everything.
• 35:21
  It's got to be the regulation though, right?
• 35:23
  Because it's not he's not definitely not seeing something next year that he's thinking we're
• 35:26
  going to be Red Bull.
• 35:27
  I think Joe's right.
• 35:28
  At this point, I think all he's doing is chasing money.
• 35:31
  I feel like he knows he's good, right?
• 35:33
  He's like, I'm still good at this.
• 35:36
  I've already won championships.
• 35:38
  I'm going to get out there, have fun and make some money.
• 35:40
  You know, maybe that's it.
• 35:42
  He's comfortable and he's comfortable.
• 35:43
  He's liking what he's doing.
• 35:45
  To me, it's a sign that like if he's staying at Aston that like Red Bull has their mind
• 35:49
  made up.
• 35:50
  They know who's going to who they want to go into that seat.
• 35:53
  And Alonzo wasn't on their top priority list because I don't think they would have just
• 35:56
  allowed it to happen like that if it was.
• 36:00
  Maybe they dropped the ball.
• 36:01
  I don't know.
• 36:02
  Maybe Red Bull dropped the ball for once.
• 36:04
  That's not a very Red Bull thing.
• 36:05
  I know.
• 36:06
  I know.
• 36:07
  But at some point, the best fall look at Mercedes.
• 36:11
  You know, at some point they start falling and right before regulations, probably not
• 36:15
  that right.
• 36:16
  They probably got it on lock for the next two years or whatever it was.
• 36:19
  But I don't know.
• 36:20
  I still don't think Alonzo was probably the first or best pick for Red Bull.
• 36:25
  No, I put him in the top three, probably options, because it seems like everybody's available.
• 36:30
  So I guess to me, it depends on how teams are viewing what they want their future to
• 36:34
  look like.
• 36:35
  I think the regulations are going to be the big thing in the play.
• 36:37
  Are there going to be teams that are just going to try to maximize next year, get exactly
• 36:40
  what they can out of a driver and get them in the best position so they have all the
• 36:44
  money that they need going into twenty twenty six and just have that bridge driver like
• 36:48
  we use in the NFL, that bridge player to get you to a different point a couple of years
• 36:52
  down the road.
• 36:53
  And now you have a clean slate.
• 36:54
  Now you can go and spend money on a driver.
• 36:56
  Exactly.
• 36:57
  Because if you look at Red Bull, right, they don't they don't need to get a veteran.
• 37:01
  They have the best veteran you can have right now in Verstappen.
• 37:04
  So they could afford to go with a young driver.
• 37:06
  Six or something.
• 37:07
  Twenty eight, I think, if I'm not mistaken.
• 37:10
  So I mean, you could look at it like a young driver that might be the future because let's
• 37:14
  be honest, like nobody knows.
• 37:15
  I don't think Verstappen knows how long he's going to race anymore.
• 37:17
  He's come out and he doesn't.
• 37:19
  I don't think he really truly cares to race anymore.
• 37:21
  He doesn't have seen the thing that he wants to be done.
• 37:24
  He wanted to be done by like a certain age, like 35, 35.
• 37:27
  I think it was his.
• 37:28
  Sure.
• 37:29
  He's like done racing.
• 37:30
  But I can see him walking away before that.
• 37:32
  You know, like obviously he loves it.
• 37:33
  He's committed.
• 37:34
  Maybe the new regulations said he's like, I got nothing to prove.
• 37:37
  Yeah, just walks away.
• 37:39
  But you're walking away from all that money.
• 37:41
  He's already got it.
• 37:42
  I know.
• 37:43
  Endorsement deals to I'm sure I'd imagine.
• 37:44
  He signed a hundred million dollar contract, brother.
• 37:46
  You have one year on that.
• 37:47
  You're set for life.
• 37:48
  He's probably the I don't know if it's King or prime minister or whatever of the Netherlands.
• 37:51
  He probably probably just owns the country at this point.
• 37:55
  But I don't know.
• 37:56
  I mean, wifey don't make too much of a she makes a little bit of money on the modeling
• 38:01
  side, too.
• 38:02
  So we don't worry about much that.
• 38:04
  OK, hands.
• 38:05
  Nice on the eyes.
• 38:06
  Yeah.
• 38:07
  Little bit.
• 38:08
  Hands and hater over there.
• 38:09
  Yeah.
• 38:10
  OK.
• 38:11
  Well, that just leads us right into the Red Bull seat and then we'll circle back on maybe
• 38:13
  some mercury, mercury rumors.
• 38:15
  Yeah.
• 38:16
  Some Mercedes rumors.
• 38:20
  Apparently Newy Tyler, your boy Newy commits to Red Bull long term.
• 38:25
  What do you think of that news?
• 38:26
  Yeah.
• 38:27
  So Horner came out and said that, you know, like Newy's in the long term plans kind of
• 38:30
  squash all the rumors.
• 38:31
  I don't think Newy has actually come out and said anything yet, but like it's squashed in
• 38:35
  terms of him going to Aston or anything like that.
• 38:38
  It's smoke season.
• 38:39
  That could be just Horner trying to squish it.
• 38:40
  It could be.
• 38:41
  At this point, I think Newy and Verstappen are completely aligned in where they're going
• 38:45
  to go.
• 38:46
  And I think Verstappen decides where Newy's going to go.
• 38:49
  And if Verstappen's in the Red Bull next year, I think Newy's staying with Verstappen.
• 38:52
  Man, I would love to see Newy come out with a piastry move and say, despite rumors, I
• 38:57
  am not going with Red Bull next season.
• 38:58
  What if he did it on Twitter?
• 38:59
  That would be so good.
• 39:01
  But I think, yeah, I think he's sticking with Red Bull.
• 39:03
  I mean, you know, he knows everyone there.
• 39:05
  He obviously can make a great car for them.
• 39:07
  They're going to give him money for it.
• 39:09
  So let's be honest, where does he go that puts him in a better position for his own
• 39:12
  legacy?
• 39:13
  Now, part of that legacy could be I want to go somewhere, build a new team.
• 39:17
  And this is my the result of me coming here is I have this established, you know, I got
• 39:21
  this team to a championship level team and I don't have Marco behind me calling the shots.
• 39:26
  But I don't think to Newy, he doesn't ever seem like he's never he's not a guy who wants
• 39:29
  this attention, the center of anything.
• 39:32
  He's like, I don't know.
• 39:34
  He's so, so, so talented and such a genius to the sport where I'd love to see him make
• 39:39
  the move and just see another team.
• 39:44
  But Newy, 65 years old, when does he retire?
• 39:47
  You know, when is when has he decided that he's built an amazing car?
• 39:51
  He's built his legacy?
• 39:52
  You know, maybe he wasn't building it from the ground up, but 65 years old, new regulation.
• 39:57
  I think too.
• 39:58
  I mean, Tyler said, is he looking for the legacy of building with Red Bull?
• 40:02
  Is he looking for another legacy?
• 40:03
  The issue is other than maybe Ferrari, a lot of these teams, that's all they have to offer
• 40:07
  him.
• 40:08
  They want to come rebuild everything and make a dog car, you know?
• 40:11
  Right.
• 40:12
  And to answer like what you said, there's no, I think the new regulations was what is
• 40:16
  what's going to keep him here.
• 40:18
  Hey, this is why I'm me, right?
• 40:20
  I'm going to get these regulations.
• 40:21
  I'm going to get the best car on the grid.
• 40:22
  I'm up for the future.
• 40:24
  And not even that.
• 40:25
  I mean, it did.
• 40:26
  That's a part of the legacy thing, right?
• 40:27
  You can throw the regulations.
• 40:28
  I mean, I'm still going to get the best car on the grid.
• 40:30
  Yeah, no, that's that's a personal challenge.
• 40:33
  Obviously, you're probably right.
• 40:34
  I look to continue that.
• 40:36
  Staying with Red Bull.
• 40:37
  I know we've already talked about this.
• 40:39
  So if you do listen to the pod, go back and listen to our other episodes.
• 40:42
  So when we talk about the Red Bull seat, see if we're actually true to our own feelings,
• 40:46
  because who knows, they probably change throughout the season, especially because everything
• 40:50
  else is changing like Alonzo just signed.
• 40:52
  So who who's in that front runner?
• 40:55
  Who's that top three drivers that Red Bull are trying to coax to come over right now
• 40:59
  to be for Stappen's buddy and probably not win?
• 41:04
  I'll throw one name out there.
• 41:06
  It's number three if it's in the top three.
• 41:08
  I think Ricardo is still being looked.
• 41:09
  I don't think he's got it.
• 41:11
  He's not gone yet.
• 41:12
  For sure.
• 41:13
  But I would agree with you.
• 41:14
  He's he's the last.
• 41:15
  Yeah, he's last.
• 41:16
  He needs a hell of a year.
• 41:18
  Let me see a return of another Red Bull.
• 41:21
  So I think I mean, in terms of Ricardo, Ricardo would be fourth or fifth, I guess, in my opinion
• 41:26
  at this point, just because his performance.
• 41:28
  We got Yuki in front of him at this point.
• 41:30
  I think they give Liam Lawson a shot.
• 41:31
  Liam Lawson, a shot over Ricardo in the Red Bull car.
• 41:35
  What Ricardo's done this year.
• 41:37
  I mean, he would need a big resurgence.
• 41:40
  I'd rather do that in the V car.
• 41:42
  So I would agree with that.
• 41:43
  But then I put Yuki in the Red Bull seat and over Ricardo.
• 41:46
  Is Adam OK with so who else?
• 41:48
  We got Albon.
• 41:49
  Albon and Sines, I think are the only other two for me.
• 41:55
  Vettel.
• 41:56
  Does he come back out?
• 41:58
  If Vettel comes back, I don't think he's coming back to a Red Bull.
• 42:00
  That would make I wish he would.
• 42:02
  That would make me excited.
• 42:03
  I would love to see him and Max.
• 42:04
  Oh my gosh.
• 42:05
  I would love to give me a couple more Vettel cards.
• 42:07
  I think if there's if there's a wild card in there that maybe we're not seeing and we're
• 42:11
  not hearing enough about it's Vettel.
• 42:12
  I didn't even think of that thought until you just said that.
• 42:15
  And I love that so much.
• 42:18
  That's a wild take.
• 42:19
  I don't think we see that at all.
• 42:20
  But it would be cool for that card to be that bridge player for two years.
• 42:25
  Chacko, thanks for your service.
• 42:27
  Wash your hands.
• 42:28
  That'll comes in for those one more or two more years, whatever it is.
• 42:31
  That would be fun.
• 42:33
  Do you think that the Mercedes seat or the Red Bull seat gets filled first?
• 42:38
  Mercedes.
• 42:39
  That's going to tell us.
• 42:42
  Yeah, because at the end of the day, like like we said earlier, everybody's counting
• 42:47
  check out.
• 42:48
  If check will finish the second and it's a wide margin between that Ferrari that's going
• 42:52
  to finish third, I will not give them the spot, even if it's just for next year.
• 42:56
  And then you look at what happens next year with the drivers.
• 42:58
  Good.
• 42:59
  You get the new driver for the regulations if they don't.
• 43:01
  If they don't go with check out, where does check will go?
• 43:04
  Who actually takes a chance on check or is everybody else looking young right now?
• 43:08
  Is Red Bull check was only hope to stay in an F1.
• 43:11
  And if he and if they don't sign him, that's a travesty to let his career end like that
• 43:16
  when he was doing so well and at the quote top of his game, probably for check.
• 43:21
  But does he want to stay with Red Bull?
• 43:23
  You think does he want to stay racing F1?
• 43:25
  I think ultimately that's what's going to come down to call if he wants to stay in F1.
• 43:29
  I think it's Red Bull or he's not going to race enough one anymore because at the end
• 43:32
  of the day, he's I don't think he's going to go to a car that's inferior to Red Bull
• 43:37
  and want to continue racing after you've been in that Red Bull.
• 43:40
  After you went through the weeds with Alpine, you know, it's I don't know.
• 43:44
  I mean, that'd be interesting, I guess, because he does have a family.
• 43:46
  He has kids that he wants to spend time with.
• 43:48
  He's getting on the older side.
• 43:50
  Is a team going to give him a shot like a Sauber taken out of Valtteri Bates?
• 43:55
  So it's funny you mentioned Bates because of Bote, us whatever, because he went from
• 43:59
  Merck to Alfa Romeo and wide margin there.
• 44:04
  Right.
• 44:05
  But you make a good point.
• 44:06
  I don't think I don't think he has, you know, that family.
• 44:08
  I don't think he has kids.
• 44:09
  I know he has a partner, but I don't think he has the kids like like Checo does.
• 44:12
  So yeah, maybe it's you know, it's this or nothing.
• 44:15
  I personally think Red Bull have him in like their top two.
• 44:18
  I think he's still very much in the running for that seat, at least for next year and
• 44:22
  then maybe a change in regulations.
• 44:24
  But if he's getting them second place, why wouldn't they keep him on?
• 44:27
  Joe, who's your top three?
• 44:28
  My top three man, Checo, Albon and Sines.
• 44:33
  I want Sines in that seat.
• 44:34
  I want Sines in the seat.
• 44:36
  I love the seat.
• 44:37
  And if not Sines, I want Albon.
• 44:39
  I think if you were to ask me at the start of the season, I wanted Danny, but Danny is
• 44:42
  just not proving to be well.
• 44:45
  I love the idea of Sines.
• 44:47
  But the tough thing for me, I think right now, obviously, I'm not a huge Red Bull fan.
• 44:50
  I don't hide behind that, right?
• 44:52
  I don't love Red Bull.
• 44:54
  Hater of Red Bull.
• 44:56
  But the kicker with that is I think with Sines, he still doesn't win a drivers championship
• 45:00
  with Mac.
• 45:01
  So like it's like the worst of both evils.
• 45:04
  So you're saying you don't think Carlos would want to go to Red Bull maybe because of that?
• 45:09
  No, I'm not saying that.
• 45:10
  I still think he's happy with taking second.
• 45:12
  Like I still think if he's in Red Bull next year, Red Bull does.
• 45:14
  Still making money.
• 45:15
  And if he's doing like if Red Bull does what they did the last couple of years, I think
• 45:19
  he's still finishing second because he's so good.
• 45:21
  But I think at the end of the day, like how much team orders, how much like I'll just
• 45:26
  let them fight because that could be a fight.
• 45:28
  I don't think there would be a lot of team orders, to be honest with you, because Max
• 45:32
  is not one that wants or likes team orders even, you know, he wants to raise.
• 45:35
  He likes them when they're in his favor, though.
• 45:37
  But the thing about that, if you look back to when Danny, Rick and Max were teammates,
• 45:42
  there was a tour consecutive weekends where the team orders came into play and Max passed
• 45:46
  Danny got the win when Danny could have done it because of the strategy.
• 45:50
  The following weekend, Danny's car was breaking down.
• 45:52
  Danny was ahead of them getting the win, got team orders to drop back.
• 45:56
  Max told them no four times and did not pass Danny to let him get the win because of what
• 46:00
  happened the prior week.
• 46:02
  Old Max, let's look at the last two years with him in Checo.
• 46:04
  It's a completely different story.
• 46:06
  I am not doing that for Checo.
• 46:07
  He said that to Checo, you know, I'm not doing that.
• 46:10
  No, you don't ask me to do that again.
• 46:12
  So you're talking about old school.
• 46:13
  Yeah, that's true.
• 46:14
  You're talking about old school when he was with Ricardo.
• 46:16
  That was a different Max.
• 46:17
  That was a Max a lot of people liked, I think, because he was like, you know, it's like,
• 46:20
  listen, I'm new to the industry.
• 46:21
  I'm new to doing this race and stuff.
• 46:22
  I'm new to the racing stuff, obviously, but that also goes to say.
• 46:25
  But I mean, to that, that's also the point where Max just wants to race.
• 46:28
  Whoever's the better driver, whoever's the quicker driver gets the spot.
• 46:31
  I think I think honestly, if they're close, if they're close, let's say, OK, so I'm going
• 46:35
  to put put some out in front of you.
• 46:37
  If they are close at the end of the season, let's say they are neck and neck and points
• 46:40
  in the final race and they're both racing an amazing race.
• 46:43
  But science is a lot faster than Max.
• 46:45
  You think they're pulling science off there to not let Max win and get the next championship?
• 46:49
  I think you got to shut up and let him race.
• 46:52
  Nobody says nothing.
• 46:53
  I think Max's ego would get in the way and would not want to win the championship that
• 46:56
  way.
• 46:57
  No, no shot.
• 46:59
  I think he's I think he's hoody footing around everything next year.
• 47:03
  If he's with science and science is winning races over him, it's a different we're going
• 47:07
  to see a different Max.
• 47:08
  We're going to see the real Max next year if he's with science and science is winning
• 47:12
  races just on pure talent and not just it, man.
• 47:15
  I think Max would accept that science is going to be and would just try to get better.
• 47:19
  I don't think he would go and try to get team orders.
• 47:21
  I really don't see that out of Max.
• 47:23
  I feel like that's definitely and probably not a conversation for right now.
• 47:26
  But will Max like how will Max reacts knowing that he's now under pressure?
• 47:30
  Like I feel like he's been he's been having it easy.
• 47:34
  Is he going to start complaining more?
• 47:35
  Like will he start kind of, you know, messing up a little bit more because he's got someone
• 47:38
  fighting him?
• 47:39
  Obviously, there's no doubt he's an amazing driver.
• 47:42
  He got where he is because he's an amazing driver.
• 47:44
  But if he's not winning consistently, you know, does that temper start to flare more?
• 47:48
  Does he start hitting people off track?
• 47:50
  Does he hit himself off track?
• 47:52
  Like I think when when he and Lewis were fighting really, really hard, he didn't have any championships
• 47:56
  under his belt at that point.
• 47:57
  But now he's got something to lose.
• 47:59
  Yeah, I think.
• 48:00
  That's a good point.
• 48:01
  I think the true Max will show up if he's battling somebody that can beat him week in
• 48:04
  and week out.
• 48:05
  I think the true Max will show up.
• 48:07
  That true Max, I'll throw this out there.
• 48:09
  I know I've been a hater of Max a lot.
• 48:10
  That true Max might be even better than he is right now.
• 48:13
  Let's not forget about that.
• 48:14
  Like he could be just so much more of a dog on the track when he's got pressure because
• 48:17
  when he had the pressure and when he was newer coming on, I mean, he did perform.
• 48:22
  So just because he's been here and doing it and it's been easy doesn't mean that he doesn't
• 48:26
  have that dog in.
• 48:27
  But the only thing with that, too, though, is we have to remember who the two are that
• 48:30
  are calling shots at Red Bull.
• 48:32
  It's Christian Horner and Helmut Marka.
• 48:34
  You think Helmut gives a who Max Verstappen is if science is going to win a championship?
• 48:38
  No, but I think Horner does.
• 48:39
  I don't.
• 48:40
  I think Horner would put that I don't.
• 48:42
  I think Horner would whoever's the better driver would be the better driver.
• 48:45
  Horner's like Max's second dad by blood.
• 48:49
  No, I mean, I know I get that.
• 48:51
  They're definitely that's definitely a boy.
• 48:53
  Like Red Bull energy drink.
• 48:55
  I just don't see it out of Max.
• 48:56
  I really don't.
• 48:57
  I really don't.
• 48:58
  I got one more name to throw at you.
• 48:59
  I got I got not at all.
• 49:00
  Max Lover, Max Hater.
• 49:01
  I got one more.
• 49:02
  I got one more name to throw at you and actually from Kev, whom I didn't introduce at the beginning
• 49:08
  of the show.
• 49:09
  So my bad.
• 49:10
  He does everything behind the scenes.
• 49:11
  So thanks, Kev.
• 49:12
  Ones and twos.
• 49:13
  No, that's that's NFL.
• 49:14
  He does the lug nuts.
• 49:15
  Wait, no, that's not good.
• 49:16
  So let's just move on.
• 49:17
  Thanks, Kev.
• 49:18
  So anyway, Kev said, do you think there's a way to obtain Oliver Bierman for that spot?
• 49:25
  No shot.
• 49:26
  Too early.
• 49:27
  Way too sorry, Kev.
• 49:28
  I thought I'll put it out there for you.
• 49:30
  But that's that's not one of those seats where you can just jump into.
• 49:36
  Like, obviously, the Red Bull had that thing a couple years ago where they had Blankin
• 49:41
  on the name that Albon and Gasly Gasly jump in that seat.
• 49:46
  They learned from that.
• 49:47
  They're not going to do that again.
• 49:48
  They want veterans right now.
• 49:49
  Maybe when the rebuild or something is down ticking right now, they're like, OK, we can
• 49:52
  win.
• 49:53
  Let's win.
• 49:54
  Let's get the right people in the seat.
• 49:55
  Not at all.
• 49:56
  There's two, maybe three teams on the grid right now that are not going to have a rookie
• 50:01
  go into their spot.
• 50:02
  Ferrari, Red Bull, maybe Mercedes, we'll see with Kimi.
• 50:07
  So real quick, who gets that Mercedes seat next year?
• 50:10
  100 percent right now.
• 50:11
  Who's getting that Mercedes?
• 50:12
  It's so wild because it's like to me, it's where science is going to go.
• 50:16
  Is he going to Mercedes?
• 50:17
  Is he going to Red Bull?
• 50:18
  Is he going to throw a wrench in every option?
• 50:20
  Is he not for him?
• 50:22
  He can go wherever the hell who wants.
• 50:23
  I know.
• 50:24
  It's like so where he where he goes like and he could throw a huge wrench and say, hey,
• 50:28
  I want to turn Alpine around.
• 50:29
  He's silly.
• 50:30
  But it's like he obviously that obviously that won't happen.
• 50:34
  But you look at it like it that's going to be so interesting for what Mercedes if they
• 50:38
  want to go to the future, they get Kimi.
• 50:42
  But I think Bearman's a shoe into that.
• 50:44
  So is Kimi coming in immediately?
• 50:46
  Like next year, you think no matter he could come in if they can't land like a signs and
• 50:50
  maybe your option is Albon instead or something that you think they'd go with Kimi?
• 50:54
  I think if Kimi is not in F1 next year with Mercedes, he would have to have an atrocious
• 50:59
  F2 season next year if he's in F2 next year and not a reserve driver for him not to be
• 51:04
  in a different team the following year.
• 51:06
  And Mercedes will not make that mistake and let somebody walk like the whole like letting
• 51:10
  like reverse tap into Red Bull.
• 51:12
  I don't think Kimi Kimi is so highly touted that he will not make it another year.
• 51:18
  So around that, do you think that the biggest news we'll hear is not who goes first as far
• 51:23
  as Red Bull and Mercedes, but it's actually who's science picks?
• 51:27
  Yep.
• 51:28
  I mean, I think if Red Bull gives him the seat, he's going to take Red Bull.
• 51:31
  I think it's just if Mercedes.
• 51:34
  So I think listen, I think Mercedes wants signs and I think signs wants Red Bull.
• 51:40
  And I don't know if Red Bull is going to give signs the seat.
• 51:43
  So he might have to fall back on Mercedes.
• 51:45
  But if Mercedes offers it to him first, is he waiting for that Red Bull seat to be offered
• 51:50
  or is he just taking Mercedes?
• 51:51
  And then what?
• 51:52
  You don't get it?
• 51:53
  So is but is Ferrari kind of obviously they've had a downtick, but let's look at Ferrari for
• 52:00
  a second here.
• 52:01
  They're filled up, obviously, but they've had this like people want to go to Ferrari
• 52:04
  because it's Ferrari.
• 52:06
  Has Lewis helped build up the Mercedes where some of these top dogs like science wants
• 52:10
  to go to Mercedes to carry on that title and try to win a championship there now?
• 52:14
  I don't think drivers of this caliber care that much about that.
• 52:19
  And it's more so where is it going to give them the best chance to win?
• 52:22
  I think that's more of a fan thing than like the drivers when you get to the ultimate pinnacle
• 52:26
  of the sport.
• 52:27
  Fair.
• 52:28
  I would maybe even revise it that I think it's more in this day and age that probably
• 52:32
  doesn't happen as easy as it did, you know, with the Michael Schumacher era, especially
• 52:37
  now that we see we see Lewis had his seven years, right.
• 52:42
  And now it's three consistent years of the Mercedes being not great.
• 52:46
  I just yeah, I just think it's you know, the more thing about I think it's Albon to Mercedes
• 52:51
  or sorry, Albon to Red Bull, Albon to Red Bull.
• 52:54
  And I think it's science to Mercedes.
• 52:55
  That's what I'm thinking right now.
• 52:56
  Or swap.
• 52:57
  I think it's the swap.
• 52:58
  I for some reason, my guts tell me Albon to Mercedes for whatever reason.
• 53:02
  I don't know.
• 53:03
  I haven't heard that at all.
• 53:04
  That's interesting.
• 53:05
  That's me.
• 53:06
  That's me.
• 53:07
  But like, I think I think Carlos has a better chance at going into the Red Bull and then
• 53:10
  Albon to Mercedes.
• 53:11
  But I don't know if that's where I move.
• 53:14
  But does Vettel come back at all?
• 53:16
  So I want no, I was rumored to come back.
• 53:19
  Where are you?
• 53:22
  He says he wants to he wants to go racing again.
• 53:24
  But I don't know.
• 53:26
  So it's only do that only go to a top three team.
• 53:29
  I don't I don't necessarily agree.
• 53:30
  Or if you're talking about Mercedes, he went to Alfa Romeo after Ferrari.
• 53:34
  I know.
• 53:35
  And they were atrocious.
• 53:36
  So but it's interesting you bring that up because I think that plays a big part.
• 53:38
  You look at a Mercedes spot, you got Vettel, who's a German guy.
• 53:41
  Mercedes, obviously a German brand.
• 53:43
  Like, when was the last time Mercedes had a German driver Schumacher?
• 53:47
  No, it was Nico.
• 53:49
  Yeah, wasn't he?
• 53:50
  I'm pretty sure he was with that.
• 53:51
  But I think that was 2016 or something.
• 53:52
  I can't remember anyone, but I think.
• 53:53
  Yeah, I don't think it is.
• 53:54
  I don't think it the determining factors around Vettel, obviously, I think it'd be awesome
• 53:55
  to see him back in the in the sport.
• 53:56
  But I think like we talked about earlier, I think it's science.
• 53:57
  I think honestly, I know you said it's he wants to go to Red Bull, but he might not have
• 53:58
  that.
• 53:59
  I think he's got a pick of the litter right now and he's just determining where he wants
• 54:00
  to go.
• 54:01
  I would agree with that.
• 54:02
  I think science goes where he wants to go.
• 54:03
  I think he's got a pick of the litter right now and he's just determining where he wants
• 54:04
  to go.
• 54:05
  I would agree with that.
• 54:24
  I think he's got a pick of the litter right now and he's just determining where he wants
• 54:49
  to go.
• 54:50
  I think he's got a pick of the litter right now and he's just determining where he wants
• 55:08
  to go.
• 55:09
  commented on science performance and said that there was another former driver or like a driver a part of the Red Bull driving system
• 55:15
  Whatever it was because he drove for
• 55:18
  Toro Rosso and his dad is a rally Red Bull driver
• 55:22
  It just it makes sense. Why wouldn't he want to go his dad was a multiple rally champion. That was an absolute
• 55:28
  He still he still races. Yeah. Yeah, I know idea. Yeah, he's an absolute dog
• 55:31
  There's just it's just it's a match made in heaven
• 55:34
  He either goes to Red Bull or Audi down the line and I think
• 55:37
  He was always more than money
• 55:39
  He wants to he wants a chance to win the championship even if max is your driving partner Red Bull is the car to do that
• 55:46
  Yeah, and I think the thing with Audi like it at that point. It's like what do you really want science?
• 55:50
  Do you want a championship or do you want money?
• 55:51
  Oh, he's gonna give him the money, but I don't think a team that's brand new that's coming in will not compete for a championship
• 55:58
  Will not real quick before we move on because we absolutely have to move on but if you're if your signs right now
• 56:04
  Do you do you want to hurry up and make that decision so it's done in overall so you can actually focus on this season?
• 56:09
  And finish this season out strong focused and all that and then you know up in the next seat next year what he's focused
• 56:16
  I mean
• 56:18
  I don't I don't think it affects anything for him behind the car. We neither he's proven something right now
• 56:23
  So he's just waiting. Yeah. All right, fair enough fair enough. Let's head right into the China preview
• 56:28
  All right head right into the China preview
• 56:31
  Just want to remind all of our listeners out there the millions that listen to us
• 56:35
  Just want to make sure like, you know, obviously our recaps gonna be the longest part of the segment
• 56:39
  So that's why our our previews are so short because we're gonna recap that son of a gun anyway, so
• 56:45
  Let's head right into it. Joe's got some China Grand Prix facts for us
• 56:49
  Yeah, this is the first China race in five years. So I don't have a last year recap
• 56:53
  I did, you know scrounge up a few things to talk about instead just for you know memory sake 2019
• 57:00
  We saw Hamilton Boatas and then Vettel in that podium. This track is a 56 lap
• 57:06
  56 lap track. It's designed to look like the Chinese symbol for Shang
• 57:10
  Which means upwards when seemed in the air and this also features one of the longest straights in the calendar
• 57:14
  So I think that seems kind of like a buffet for some Red Bulls
• 57:17
  I think that's a good way to look at it. I think it's a good way to look at it
• 57:20
  It seems kind of like a buffet for some Red Bulls. I think we're gonna see some hopefully some nice overtakes
• 57:26
  That portion is so fun on the track in the game. It's just a dead straight
• 57:31
  It's a it's a great track. I'm really looking forward to it
• 57:34
  I'm not looking forward to maybe staying up until 2 a.m. Local time
• 57:36
  So we'll see if maybe I just catch the recorded version the day after since the last China GP
• 57:42
  We saw Hamilton at a sixth and seventh world title. We saw Max take three of those in a row
• 57:47
  Racing point became Aston Martin Renault became Alpine
• 57:51
  Alpha became kick salver and Toro Rosso became Alfa Tari and then RB and then we saw Kimi
• 57:58
  Raikkonen and Vettel retire as well as Alonso return from retirement five years a lot of stuff happening within those five years
• 58:06
  Only four drivers on the grid have not raced here yet
• 58:08
  It's our our you know rookies from the from the last few years Oscar Yuki Logan and Joe, which is his first home race
• 58:17
  Real quick. I thought I saw somewhere that
• 58:21
  Michael Schumacher's last win also came in China
• 58:24
  Anybody know that I thought I saw somewhere that that was the case but
• 58:29
  Anyway, I mean pretty fast track though. What are we what are we looking for this week? We're looking for
• 58:35
  Mmm. I mean I'd imagine we see the McLaren's finish in front of both Mercedes again
• 58:40
  I get all I could also see Alonso splitting the Mercedes again
• 58:45
  Louis just doesn't look like he can quite keep up with Alonso right now
• 58:48
  When's the last time there's been this big of a gap or that they've raced to track?
• 58:53
  Is he last time was 2019 right?
• 58:56
  Yeah, 2019. Yeah, so when's the last time there's this big of a gap cuz I think that's gonna
• 59:00
  I mean
• 59:00
  I think this might play to the seniority of a lot of these guys like Lewis and
• 59:03
  And all those guys that have been here while yeah, there's rookies who haven't raced it at all
• 59:07
  But I mean, there's also guys have only raced it a couple of years, right?
• 59:11
  No, I think that's gonna be a massive factor. I don't know. It's gotta be one of the biggest gaps. You don't think so
• 59:16
  I don't think it's gonna be that with all the simulators now
• 59:19
  That's the thing is I don't think it's gonna be that big of a factor just because of the the new age Sims
• 59:23
  It's you're in your car driving on that track exactly like it is
• 59:27
  So it looks like that was Schumacher's 91st and final f1 victory guess who we beat
• 59:33
  The drivers in this race Lewis Fernando Fernando
• 59:38
  I don't know fun little tidbit
• 59:41
  Maybe Fernando goes off. He's not beating no Red Bulls, but
• 59:45
  Can we can we see a Ferrari get to this week beat Sergio you don't think so
• 59:50
  I mean, that was a great bounce back raised by Sergio
• 59:52
  I just think but with with how many with how fast this track is. I just don't see anybody with the Red Bulls
• 59:59
  This does anybody challenge the Ferraris?
• 1:00:03
  No
• 1:00:04
  McLaren's got pretty good top line speed don't know they do but it's like the Ferraris is
• 1:00:09
  This year than compared to what it was last year though. I don't think they're gonna touch them
• 1:00:13
  I was just pointing out the McLaren fan scene that they're gonna stand behind their boys here on this one
• 1:00:16
  It turns out they didn't I mean it's just but that's good. We know they're not giant freaking homers listen
• 1:00:21
  I'm trying to be realistic as I can I want I want listen I want McLaren to win the whole thing, but that's
• 1:00:28
  It's not playing video game. Yeah, we're not playing video games there
• 1:00:31
  There's just such a big gap even between the Ferrari and the McLaren right now. Yeah, it's
• 1:00:35
  It's not a fun year so far with like action just like ah
• 1:00:39
  I think we see one or both Haas and points this week and when I say why when I say both
• 1:00:46
  I'm saying nine ten. I'm saying nine ten
• 1:00:49
  No, hey, no shot right there. Maybe ten I could see him in ten
• 1:00:54
  I could seem to get ten but not nine ten one or both so I guess I gotta pick one right, but yeah
• 1:00:58
  I can see one I can see all bond taking a nine ten this year this week. Yes
• 1:01:03
  Williams
• 1:01:05
  Both houses in the top ten that's I think I think you'll see you keep battling right there again for sure
• 1:01:11
  Yeah, I don't know that V carb doesn't have great top end speed. No, I don't I think
• 1:01:15
  I'll agree. He's it's gonna be Haas and Haas and Williams
• 1:01:18
  I think with al-bond fighting there for the nine tennis houses top line speed isn't horrible
• 1:01:24
  They're not gonna be no Aston, you know, but and Williams is good this way this might hurt Aston I think
• 1:01:32
  You said well, I thought this is an Alonzo. I mean it's like it is every week
• 1:01:35
  It's like stroll is probably not gonna finish in the top ten
• 1:01:38
  So it's like is a lot of gonna grab another five six. I think we've I think we see him down towards the eight this week
• 1:01:44
  I think I think he's eighth this week. This might be where Mercedes hurts to kind of break away a little bit start going away
• 1:01:49
  Yeah Mercedes
• 1:01:50
  I mean they don't got any top end speed
• 1:01:51
  Well, the Mercedes actually has the top end speed their top end speed in their DRS is actually effective
• 1:01:56
  It hasn't looked horrible with the RS. They just lose everything in the corners
• 1:02:00
  They have no low end speed or high sir corner speed. It was everything in the corner
• 1:02:04
  That's what I mean Lewis just hasn't Lewis just hasn't looked comfortable in the car like at all to me
• 1:02:08
  But like when is he gonna figure it out?
• 1:02:11
  That's what that's what it is for me George like it's just inconsistent AF, but I think he's getting there
• 1:02:17
  He's got the skill. I think he does but he just
• 1:02:20
  God he just seems so inconsistent. He definitely looks more comfortable in the Mercedes. Oh George. Yeah
• 1:02:25
  Oh, yeah compared to like last year 100% or just compared to complete previous years in general
• 1:02:29
  I'll compare to Hamilton hundred percent. I think Hamilton with his seniority and on this track
• 1:02:34
  It's gonna be a thing here for him
• 1:02:36
  And I also think that I think this is you know, we're talking about the McLaren and the Mercedes battle there
• 1:02:40
  I think we're gonna see a Mercedes McLaren Mercedes McLaren finish this race
• 1:02:46
  Well, I think George or Lewis is gonna finish above Lando. Whoa, that's a hot take. Whoa, I'm not think so cap
• 1:02:54
  No
• 1:02:56
  Joe says cap
• 1:02:58
  What was that then what's your podium then?
• 1:03:03
  My podium I'm gonna go with Verstappen
• 1:03:07
  sign hot take science
• 1:03:09
  science and
• 1:03:11
  Leclerc
• 1:03:13
  Oh
• 1:03:15
  Red Bull Ferrari Ferrari, we know something's gonna go wrong with check out there. Come on. It's been too many races in a row
• 1:03:20
  Joe, who's your podium?
• 1:03:22
  Podium is gonna be max checko and I'm gonna go with Leclerc this week
• 1:03:28
  Boom Tyler I'm gonna I'm gonna be boring same as last week. I got Verstappen checko and science
• 1:03:34
  Okay. Well and I got nothing to lose. So I'm gonna go with Max. Of course that at least gives me something
• 1:03:41
  Hmm. I'm gonna go Leclerc and
• 1:03:48
  Leclerc and Lando
• 1:03:50
  Yikes
• 1:03:52
  I know
• 1:03:54
  Yikes
• 1:03:56
  For those keeping score at home
• 1:03:58
  The reason Smelty has nothing to lose
• 1:03:59
  He is bringing up the rear at five points and followed by Cole at six points
• 1:04:04
  I have had seven and Joe is still in the lead with eight. So one point difference between all spots
• 1:04:09
  What am I doing taking chances like that?
• 1:04:11
  The sergeant of the podium
• 1:04:13
  That's it
• 1:04:15
  Oh
• 1:04:17
  No, that's not fair
• 1:04:19
  He racked up zero points for that to be right
• 1:04:21
  You know what your new nickname is?
• 1:04:23
  He hasn't crashed and burned yet, that's true
• 1:04:25
  His new nickname is Bully
• 1:04:27
  You're just out there wrecking the score dude
• 1:04:29
  GORNICH
• 1:04:31
  I mean let's be honest four of your five points have come from Verstappen
• 1:04:35
  It's a safe bet homie
• 1:04:37
  So have all you guys
• 1:04:39
  Get off my case
• 1:04:41
  I think our podium tracker is already lined with Verstappen's every single week
• 1:04:45
  So yeah I may not have updated that yesterday
• 1:04:47
  That's really not his bet
• 1:04:49
  I will be going off that at least a couple races this year I'll be getting crazy
• 1:04:54
  I gotta see a lot for me to not take Verstappen
• 1:04:58
  He might need to get his appendix removed
• 1:05:00
  There we go
• 1:05:02
  Well with that
• 1:05:04
  We're gonna go ahead and
• 1:05:06
  No that was horrible I was gonna say
• 1:05:08
  No nevermind
• 1:05:10
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• 1:05:24
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• 1:05:26
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• 1:05:28
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• 1:05:32
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