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Indy Clinton Gets Outspoken · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to our first episode of A Very Outspoken Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: our summer series for December. Every Thursday in the lead
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  Speaker 1: up to Christmas, we will be dropping a special interview episode.
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  Speaker 1: And today's episode features the one and only Indy Clinton.
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  Speaker 1: Now on Tuesdays, it's back to our regular scheduling over
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  Speaker 1: summer with a new influencer episode every week. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: into the episode with Indy because it's a fun one.
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  Speaker 2: The creator of the year is Indie Clinton! Singing an
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  Speaker 2: influencer-like post is shit. You're just like, shut the fuck up.
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  Speaker 2: You're so tone deaf, and I get it. I think
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  Speaker 2: the same all the time. I mean, you want a
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  Speaker 2: supportive husband. I've been doing this for 11 years. He
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  Speaker 2: knew what he was getting himself into. Everyone on TikTok
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  Speaker 2: has said you look like this guy. I definitely see it.
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  Speaker 2: I can get high.
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  Speaker 1: LAUGHTER What is the wildest thing you've read online that
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  Speaker 1: you're just like, that is so far from the truth?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is just wild. That for me was a
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  Speaker 2: turning point because I was like, holy shit, people really
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  Speaker 2: do just make things up. What about Molly Mae?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think she copied your baby name?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think she did? See, I keep questioning myself
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  Speaker 2: because I'm like, she doesn't know I exist. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: also like, what are the chances? I never said to myself,
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  Speaker 2: I want to call my kids outrageous, unique names. It's
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  Speaker 2: just kind of what I was drawn to. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to birth a Greg or like, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: a Steve. I've been in this game for 11 years
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  Speaker 2: and from every management I've had, I've always been taught
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  Speaker 2: never talk on anything ever, ever. Just be quiet, be quiet.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, why do I have to be quiet for once?
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  Speaker 2: Like I've been quiet my whole life on everything. Why
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  Speaker 2: do I have to be quiet about this?
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  Speaker 1: Indie First, welcome to Outspoken. We were so excited when
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  Speaker 1: you said that you would join us because we thought
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  Speaker 1: you might hate us because initially when we spoke about you,
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  Speaker 1: we spoke about your decision to wear makeup and fake
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  Speaker 1: tan when you were giving birth. And I think we
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  Speaker 1: got our wires crossed because this is something we would
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  Speaker 1: totally do as well.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. I remember when that episode came out and I
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  Speaker 2: listened to it. actually wasn't even offended it takes a
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  Speaker 2: lot for me to hate someone but yes I feel
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  Speaker 2: like now Kate can understand where I'm coming from when
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  Speaker 2: you are pregnant right you feel so out of body
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  Speaker 2: you do not feel like yourself you feel like an
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  Speaker 2: alien you're putting on weight you're trying not to put
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  Speaker 2: on weight you're like getting hemorrhoids I mean with soul
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  Speaker 2: I literally had like a hernia in my groin so
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  Speaker 2: it made one side of my vagina bulge like I
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  Speaker 2: felt disgusting every pregnancy and So honestly, the least I
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  Speaker 2: could do to make myself feel better was fake tan,
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  Speaker 2: put on some makeup. I don't care if it's going
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  Speaker 2: to come off if I'm pushing and I'm sweating, like
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  Speaker 2: at least I walk into the hospital feeling hot. And
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  Speaker 2: then that's the least I can do. And I just
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  Speaker 2: feel like so many women, I had so much support,
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  Speaker 2: but I also had so much negativity being like, how
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  Speaker 2: vain could you really be? I mean, you're bringing, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you mean? I've literally just sacrificed the last
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  Speaker 2: nine months growing a human. Like this is the smallest
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  Speaker 2: thing I can do for myself.
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  Speaker 1: Our family friend, she always says that it's actually more
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  Speaker 1: vain to not fake tan and to not wear makeup
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  Speaker 1: and think that you look amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Give me her number. I agree. I just think there's
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  Speaker 2: so much judgment on women and what they choose to do.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, honestly, I've just carried this child for
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  Speaker 2: nine months. I feel disgusting. I'm going to feel disgusting
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  Speaker 2: for postpartum period. I may as well feel good for
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  Speaker 2: this short amount of time. Um, but you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was funny when I had, I think I did too
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  Speaker 2: many layers when I had Navy, like a fake tan.
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  Speaker 2: I do way too many layers because when he came
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  Speaker 2: out and I put him on the boob, I'm convinced
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  Speaker 2: he had brown, like around his mouth from like the
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  Speaker 2: sucking and the sweat. I'm like, Oh my God, I'm
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  Speaker 2: literally poisoning my newborn child with this fondant. See, I'm jealous.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I actually had an elective cesarean and I was
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  Speaker 1: devastated because they told me I couldn't wear makeup or tan.
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  Speaker 3: And I said to my partner, I'm like, surely that's
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  Speaker 3: not true. Surely I can put it on. And he's like,
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  Speaker 3: do not put it on.
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  Speaker 1: So I had Sophie rush into the hospital room after
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  Speaker 1: Jack was born, putting makeup on me.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm so sorry to the midwife.
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  Speaker 3: This is so embarrassing, but I just did not. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you just feel so gross.
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  Speaker 1: Well, poor Kate had a whole load of people waiting
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  Speaker 1: in the waiting room as well. Like we were so rude.
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  Speaker 1: We came in right after she'd given birth.
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  Speaker 2: You came in straight away? Like were you allowed into the,
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  Speaker 2: not the birthing suite, what is it, the operations?
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, we didn't go that far.
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  Speaker 2: You weren't like knocking on the door.
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  Speaker 1: Well, basically I got whipped out of recovery and they
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  Speaker 1: were just like flocked to the hospital bed and I
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  Speaker 1: was like.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on? It was my in-laws as well.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was, um, it was, it was beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I just, I totally understand why you did
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  Speaker 1: that now.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: You're with me. You guys were against me. Now you're
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  Speaker 2: with me.
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  Speaker 3: We all learn and grow, don't we?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, how do you feel having your little boy called
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  Speaker 2: Jack and Justin Bieber and Hailey just called back? Like
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  Speaker 2: you're a trendsetter, babe.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I feel like we're, you know, very much
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  Speaker 1: on the same page now because you are with the
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  Speaker 1: unique names. And I'm like, Jack, surely no one's really
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  Speaker 1: going to– I mean, it is in the top ten
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  Speaker 1: of very, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Popular names. It's a good name. It doesn't grow old,
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  Speaker 2: I feel.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's what– I'm pregnant at the moment and so
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  Speaker 1: I feel you about the feeling like shit for, well,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose it's only been 15 weeks but I'm already
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  Speaker 1: over it.
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  Speaker 3: But I want some advice.
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  Speaker 1: I found out that I'm having a boy and your
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  Speaker 1: names are so unique for your kids.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I need a bit of inspo from you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but unless you like unique names, you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to like mine. Like if you want to
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  Speaker 2: call your child grass or tree, like come to me,
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  Speaker 2: I will give you unique names.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what? It's funny because when I– before
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  Speaker 2: I had kids, I never– like, I never said to myself,
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  Speaker 2: I want to call my kids outrageous, unique names. It's
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  Speaker 2: just kind of what I was drawn to. And I've
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  Speaker 2: always kind of done what I've always wanted to do. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't anything– I think Navy's name for a girl,
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  Speaker 2: he was going to be Banksy. And I thought I
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  Speaker 2: was so unique. I was like Banksy, like the artist.
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  Speaker 2: And then I started seeing other people, like influencers call
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  Speaker 2: their daughters Banksy. And I'm like, oh my God, how
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  Speaker 2: did you think of that? Like that, I thought of
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  Speaker 2: that first. So lucky he wasn't a girl. But a
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  Speaker 2: boy's name's hard because... For me, I want it to
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  Speaker 2: be strong and masculine, but also not like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to birth a Greg or like, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: a Steve. Like I'm not going to, I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to birth a baby and then be like, oh my God, Steve,
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  Speaker 2: you beautiful little thing. But yeah, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: actually have no, oh, I wanted Hawk. See, you know what, Amy,
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to like these names. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I am a bit more of a traditional gal, but.
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  Speaker 1: I like a unique name for the middle name. I
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  Speaker 1: think saying that I did pick Edward, which is a
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  Speaker 1: very traditional.
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  Speaker 2: Name, but I think those are very traditional. I know.
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  Speaker 3: But, um, with Justin Bieber, he went Jack blues and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He needed to.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing with his name, it kind of reminds
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  Speaker 2: me of the cigarettes, Winnie blues. Wait, they're the cigarettes, right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think they are. There's something. I mean, Winnie Blues,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe that's not a thing in America,
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  Speaker 2: but I really, I do like the name Jack Blues.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's very Justin Bieber.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. What about, because Molly May, she seemingly copied your
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  Speaker 1: baby name, Bambi.
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  Speaker 3: How were you feeling?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think she did? See, I keep questioning myself
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  Speaker 2: because I'm like, she doesn't know I exist, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: also like, what are the chances?
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  Speaker 1: I think she would because she follows Tammy Hembrough. So
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  Speaker 1: surely she– I mean, I haven't checked your follower list.
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  Speaker 3: Have you looked?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think she follows me. I mean, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I do think it was coincidental because there are names
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  Speaker 2: out there. I mean, she thought she was being super original.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I was being super original. But I'm a
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  Speaker 2: little bit annoyed because now it's going to become this like–
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  Speaker 2: I didn't watch her on Love Island, but I know
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  Speaker 2: I think it's like that whole... There's a huge part
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  Speaker 2: of the UK that's real tacky and they're like, it's
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  Speaker 2: a bit like that. Everyone's going to call their kid Bambi.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, fuck. Now I'm not that original. Now
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  Speaker 2: there's going to be every man and their dog's going
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  Speaker 2: to be called Bambi. But no, I actually don't really
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  Speaker 2: care that she copied. She's just made it more of
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  Speaker 2: a trendy name. But I feel like that's how... people
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  Speaker 2: probably feel when influencers, like, think they've discovered something and
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  Speaker 2: then actually every other person knows about it and they
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  Speaker 2: get annoyed because they're like, oh, you've ruined it for everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what's happened, though?
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  Speaker 1: I reckon she was following you and then when she
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  Speaker 1: decided to call her daughter Bambi was like, shit, I
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  Speaker 1: better unfollow Indy.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah, she, you know what? I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: I think I take it as flattery. I don't really
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  Speaker 2: care if people call for me. The world's too big. Like,
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  Speaker 2: am I really think, I really think I'm that original?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not. I mean, and Bambi is such a cute name.
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  Speaker 2: It's cute. I actually compare, I saw the baby's, her baby,
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  Speaker 2: a photo the other day. I'm like, oh, it so
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  Speaker 2: doesn't look like a Bambi. I feel like my Bambi does,
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  Speaker 2: but I think that's what every kid, every mom thinks
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  Speaker 2: about their name, right? It's like, but no. Yeah. Molly,
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  Speaker 2: if you listen to this, I don't really care, but
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  Speaker 2: let's put them in the fighting room.
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  Speaker 3: Your Bambi is so cute.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, it probably sounds weird that I've got
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  Speaker 1: a parasocial relationship with your children, but she, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably glad that I'm not parenting her, as you say,
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  Speaker 1: because we were just talking about her waking up very early,
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  Speaker 1: but she is just so entertaining and so gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: As are all of your kids.
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  Speaker 1: How did you feel when she was only eight months
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  Speaker 1: old sorry, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Just now doing the math in my head. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: hang on.
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  Speaker 2: It was five months. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, five months. That must have been an absolute shock.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was an absolute shock. And I actually think
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  Speaker 2: about it now because I'm like, oh my God, I
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  Speaker 2: do feel now I've kind of come out of it
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  Speaker 2: where I can see from a different lens. And I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that was a hectic 10 months or like even more
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  Speaker 2: because I I was obviously not on birth control. I
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  Speaker 2: was five months postpartum. I was still breastfeeding. And like
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  Speaker 2: I got a lot of comments on my TikTok because
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  Speaker 2: I was like, how can I possibly fall pregnant? Because
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't got my period back. Right. So like I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't bleeding. So in my head, I wasn't ovulating.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I went in for a surgery to get my
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  Speaker 2: CIM3 cells removed. And, like, you couldn't stick anything up
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  Speaker 2: you for two weeks. Like, no sex, no hormones, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, sweet. And literally on that two-week mark,
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  Speaker 2: we had sex. And that's when I conceived. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like... And that was a real fuckery because that
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  Speaker 2: put me in high risk for the entire pregnancy because
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  Speaker 2: my cervix wasn't, you're meant to wait a year after
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  Speaker 2: that surgery because it like shortens your cervix and all
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  Speaker 2: these other complications. So I didn't think it was possible
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  Speaker 2: for me to fall pregnant. Then I started to, you know,
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: the two, the classic two week wait is when you're like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, am I pregnant? Are these my period symptoms?
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  Speaker 2: And I knew straight away because I get like achy
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  Speaker 2: muscles when I'm pregnant, like in the two weeks, that's
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  Speaker 2: my first sign is kind of like, oh, am I
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  Speaker 2: coming down with the flu or am I pregnant? And
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  Speaker 2: then when I took that test, I was shooketh. I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know the words to describe. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this can't be real. It's funny. Whenever you take a
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  Speaker 2: pregnancy test, your mind goes to a hundred places, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like you're excited. Then you're like, no, this can't be.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's like, wait, what? We don't even ever
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  Speaker 2: have sex. How can this be?
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  Speaker 3: It's a miracle baby.
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  Speaker 2: That's a conception. And it was just, I was, as
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  Speaker 2: soon as I took it, I'm very much someone that
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  Speaker 2: if a challenge comes to me, I'm like, okay, we
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  Speaker 2: can't go over it. We must go through it. And
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of saw it like that. I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: There was a few moments where I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: can't do this. Like Bambi's way too young. This isn't
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  Speaker 2: what I had planned for my year. And I went
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  Speaker 2: back and forth. And then I was like, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I'll get, it was meant to be clearly. It just,
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  Speaker 2: the little fast swimmer just got up there and that
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  Speaker 2: was soul. And there she was.
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  Speaker 1: I just love the video that you filmed telling Ben
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  Speaker 1: about it, like your genuine reactions. How did he feel
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  Speaker 1: about that going on the internet?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God. He was like, he doesn't, he's, he's
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  Speaker 2: become so good being on the internet, but it was
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  Speaker 2: funny because he'd been out for lunch. He'd had a
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  Speaker 2: few beers at lunch and He gets home and he's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: like he probably was thinking, what do you mean immaculate conception?
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  Speaker 2: There's just no way because we both knew I hadn't
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  Speaker 2: had my period back. And in our heads, that was
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  Speaker 2: the only way if you're ovulating. But obviously you can
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  Speaker 2: ovulate without a period, which is now I found that out. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and he was just, he was just as shook. He
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  Speaker 2: was probably more worried for me because he knows I
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  Speaker 2: don't really enjoy pregnancy. I mean, I love growing a human.
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  Speaker 2: I love keeping them safe in me, but like the
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  Speaker 2: changes you go through and everything that happens, he was
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  Speaker 2: probably like, oh shit, I've just come out of this
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  Speaker 2: nine months.
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  Speaker 1: It's so hard because you were still breastfeeding as well.
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  Speaker 1: So like you don't even have your body fully back yet.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah. I know. And it was, I was lucky though,
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  Speaker 2: because Bambi weaned herself at like seven months because they
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  Speaker 2: say when you become pregnant, when you're breastfeeding, the milk
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  Speaker 2: changes flavor. Yeah. It changes flavor. It goes a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more salty because of the hormones. So she weaned herself,
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  Speaker 2: which was a bit stressful because as we know, she's
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  Speaker 2: very defiant. She would not take a bottle or formula.
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  Speaker 2: And I went through thousands of dollars trying every different
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  Speaker 2: bottle and formula. Um, and yeah, so she went herself,
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  Speaker 2: but she wasn't a great breastfeeder. She was a biter.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense. I look at her now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, of course you were, of course you bit
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  Speaker 2: my nipples until they bled every time I fed you.
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  Speaker 1: On the topic of Ben, I heard on your podcast
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  Speaker 1: when you had him on as a guest that he
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  Speaker 1: copped a bit of stick at work over being, you know,
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  Speaker 1: suddenly on your TikTok. Was it true you had to
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  Speaker 1: start blocking his coworkers?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was true, and only this weekend. So I've
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  Speaker 2: been doing work on myself, and I'm becoming just more at,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, you know what? That's your issue. So
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  Speaker 2: I unblocked them literally two nights ago because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you can, he's kind of become more comfortable. The thing
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  Speaker 2: with Ben is he works every, in real estate, in
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: a very male-dominated industry where having their wife or someone
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  Speaker 2: significant other on social media and putting their life out
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  Speaker 2: there is so foreign to these fucking old men and
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  Speaker 2: they just want to talk and talk and talk. And
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  Speaker 2: I say fucking old men because I'm so annoyed. He's, like,
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  Speaker 2: had to... I mean, you want a supportive husband. I've
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  Speaker 2: been doing this for 11 years. He knew what he
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  Speaker 2: was getting himself into. But, like, the judgment that goes on,
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  Speaker 2: it's like... workplace bullying like he he only found out
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  Speaker 2: just a few days ago like this huge cotton on
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  Speaker 2: campaign we did as a family for Christmas just got
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: sent around a whatsapp group and like this guy slagging
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  Speaker 2: him and I'm just like why do you do this
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just you know he's damned if you do and
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: damned if you don't he's supporting his wife and his
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: family he's doing this on a side we're making a
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: living and you still want to drag him so I
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: have unblocked them but I'm also like I just don't
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: know how to get them to stop. I'm like, do
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: I need to take things into my own hands and
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: message them? I was like, Ben, I'll message them. I'll
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: post a story. Trust me, this will get back to them.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: He was like, no, please don't add any more fire.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Because the thing is, it's one step forward, two steps back.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Like he gets comfortable. He enters himself into this realm
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: of social media and he supports me. He participates in
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: shoots and people love to see him. He has a
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: great personality and he's, fucking hot and he's funny and whatever.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: And then he sees these things and it makes him
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: want to go back into his shell. So it's just like,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: and it makes it hard for me because this is
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: my work and this is my life and this is
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: how we support our family. So then when these people talk,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you guys got to get with it. It's 2024.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: This is a job. This is a career just because
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not in a suit selling buildings. But I don't know.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: I think, I just think, I just, I'm like, you
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: guys are so, you guys wish that your partners at
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: home could do this and have a dual income. We're
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: all fucking struggling. We all want more money. You don't
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: need to bring us down for it. But nah, he's happy.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: You hit the nail on the head. They obviously just
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: don't understand social media. I mean, it's funny because my
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: other sister, Soph, and I, we run a PR business
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: and sometimes we'll have meetings with some of the older
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: gentlemen that we work with and they'll be like, oh,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: have you got a podcast? We saw it on Daily
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Mail and we're like, oh God.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: They don't listen to it.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They just don't get it. Like they, I feel like,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: and they don't realize the extent and how crazy social
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: media can be. And it can, it's so powerful. And
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Ben, who does he work for? I'll end
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: his career. Tell me. He's like, he works for himself.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: It just sounds like a lot of jealousy as well.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it does come down to jealousy as well. And,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: It's just hard because he really comes out of his
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: shell to help support me. And he's trying hard to
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: support me because otherwise it would just cause so much
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: conflict if I felt he was not supportive. And then
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: he adds all this head noise at work. And I'm like, okay,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: it's not like this man's taking his clothes off on
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: the internet. Like he's literally like it's in our home.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just so foreign to them. And
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: they're so narrow minded. They just can't. just move on
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: with it. Like have another topic of conversation. Is work
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: really that slow? That's what you want to talk about?
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: And like send in your WhatsApp messages. I'll give you
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: something to talk about. Let me turn my top off.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: They call women bitches, but I mean, that is just
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: such bitchy behavior.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I know. And it's so, and he takes it on
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: so well. Like he didn't want to tell me when
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: he told me yesterday or the day before, he was like,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you because I don't want
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: you to do anything. And I don't want you to
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: get on your story.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: He knows you too well.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: He knows me too well. Like anything, if someone says something,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'll get on my stories. Don't you, don't
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: you worry, babe. I got you.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It's so annoying though. Cause that cotton on campaign, you
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: guys killed it. Like we went and bought the pajamas.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: We bought some for our husbands. Cause we're going to
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: force them to wear them on Christmas day in the morning. Like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: yeah you guys the pajamas are so good as.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Well they're so cute that was such a fun campaign
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: to shoot it was like a big family campaign our
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: first one we've done I've done a few shoots with
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: the kids but I had been involved and it was just,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: but you know, the funny thing that like an image
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: you could never tell, but we were, it was, we
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: had to shoot it in the middle of winter in
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: July and Bambi, all my kids had like influenza A,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: like if you have kids, you know, it's the worst
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: type of sickness they can have. They were so sick.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Bambi had just come out of it. So she was
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: like on the last day with more energy, but Navy
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: was on day one. Soul was on day one. I
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: had to dose these kids out with Panadol, Nurofen. You
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: can kind of tell in Navy's eyes. If you look
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: at the photos, like he's not well, it was not himself.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And like I told them that because we're going to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: push it back a day. And they were like, do
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you think they'll be sicker though if we push it
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: back a day? And thank God we didn't because this
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: lasted about eight days. They were so, so sick. But
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I was just like, oh God, of course. Like what
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: are the chances? My kids are so sick on this
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: family shoot. And they're trying to make it fun. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I'm there, like, counting the hours. Okay, only 20 more
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: minutes until they can have more Nurofen. It looked magical, though.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: It was magical. I mean, at least it looked magical.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: And they're all dosed up on panel on Nurofen. But
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: it was... It's tough shooting with kids. Like, you can't
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: really tell your kids, like, come on, just push through.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Come on, just like, just a few more photos, just
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: push through. You can do it. Like, I was trying
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: so hard. I had to Uber Eats bubble gum. And like,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I'm there holding up like, you know, that old school
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: bubble gum that's wrapped in a wheel and I'm holding
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: up showing Navy Bay. can have this, just keep bouncing
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: on the bed. Like you have to really have a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: good photographer, which we did to be able to work
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: with kids because they don't obviously have the same stamina
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: as adults and you have to kind of like make
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it fun and like not be too, serious on the
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: photo you want you just kind of have to roll
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: with the punches but it was really fun shooting with
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Colin on the kids loved it and I want to
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: get the whole thing printed and framed and I want
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to show it their 18th.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Have they been in store and seen all of the
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: cutouts and everything yeah they.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Actually have been in store I've been hasn't but I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: got to take the kids oh no sorry I did
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: take the kids in they love seeing themselves it's so
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: funny they don't Navy kind of gets it, but he's
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: also like, why are my friends not on, on it?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And I was like, ah, well, that's a, that's an
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: interesting question. Um, Navy kind of gets it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: That's an answer for daddy's friends at work.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Um, but yeah, it's, uh, it's crazy to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: see their reactions when you take them in and they're
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: trying to like figure out why they're in the middle
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: of a shopping center, like the front, but no, he,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: he's starting to understand what, I do kind of. He
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: thinks I record. I'm like, what do you mean I record?
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I think he thinks the podcast is like my main thing,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: which is cute.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I'm loving your podcast, by the way. And you've had
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: some pretty, well, I'd say controversial influences on the podcast,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: but like really popular ones. Sophie Keisha, Sarah's Day. I mean,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Martha Califatita, she's, I don't know, she's kind of like
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: much loved. But what are they really like? Are they,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: as they appear on YouTube?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: So I didn't actually know who Sophie Keisha was before
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I had her on the podcast. Like I had seen
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: her name bounce around, I guess, through you guys, but
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I had no idea who she was. And I'm not
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: just saying that. I only got her wrong because a
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: friend through Chemist Warehouse was good friends with her. And
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: she was like, she's really good because she's a mum.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: She was a mummy blogger. What I learned was that
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: she was one of the first with a mummy blog
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: or a blog before Instagram or something like that. And
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: that's how she got big. I know nothing about her controversies.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And that's the same with Sarah. It's so funny because...
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: see these things online and I know nothing about it
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's because I'm so deep
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: down in motherhood that I actually my windows are so
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: narrow and I'm just kind of like my work and
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: my kids are my focus or if I'm kind of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: like that doesn't affect me I don't know because the
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: thing is I guess with influences like for me I
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Everyone in my life annoys me, right? My mum, my sister,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: my husband. Like, fuck, Ben pisses me off. Like, everyone, everyone,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: everything everyone does is going to annoy you at one point.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: You know, your values aren't going to align. And things
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: that Ben does, I don't agree with. Things he says
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: piss me off. But the thing with influencers, right, where
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: everything's out public and online, so... If I say something,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: someone's going to pick it apart, create a controversy. There's
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: so many things I see influencers do. I'm like, fuck,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you are so annoying. And I get it. Like, I
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: get it because they're putting their life out online, but
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that everyone can relate. Their best friends are
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: so annoying. They're just lucky they don't put their life
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: out online to get picked apart. So maybe that's why
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I don't see controversies because I don't. But of course,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: if someone does a huge thing that's racist, homophobic, I
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: get it. cancel the motherfucker. But like, I don't see
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the small controversies. Maybe it's because I know I'm just
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: as annoying and I just don't post that. And so
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: these girls like Sarah and Sophie, I don't know their controversies,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: but in real life, I've known Sarah since she was,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know how old she was, but since I
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: was 18 or 19, we met at fashion week. And
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I remember her so well. She rocked up in her
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: leggings and her jumper and these big aviators. And I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, my God, this girl is so random.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But I love that she just dresses how she wants
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to dress. Like we're at Fashion Week and she's just
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: on brand. And, yes, I've known her for quite a while.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: We haven't ever really caught up. We've caught up maybe once.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: And I think she's great. I just think anyone with
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: kids and businesses and navigating– mum life, work life, and
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: fucking relationship life, like, I just think they're a boss,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: and I do see, it's hard on social media, because
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: you get judged for anything you really do, and putting
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: your life out there is never easy, and I'm sure
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: there's some days they just want to, like, quit, because
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: they're always getting picked apart, but yeah, they were really,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: they're cool girls, I admire mums, though, for starters, I
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: think mums are epic, like, even from the get-go, once
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: you're pregnant, you start sacrificing your life, I think they're amazing,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: but Even more so they've got businesses and they've both
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: got books and e-books and this and that. I'm like,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: how the hell do you have time? Like you guys,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: like honestly, just trying to navigate mum life and you
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: throw in a business or two or three or however
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: many they have, I really do admire them and how
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: they can navigate that. I mean, I pretty much want
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to throw the bloody toys out of the cot every
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: week and give up social media. I can't imagine how
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: they feel.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes especially... some of these controversies and whatever,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: they get blown up so much and people.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Forget that there are real people behind it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And it, I mean, obviously our podcast, we focus on
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: like influencer controversies, but sometimes we're like, it's just fun.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Like it's, you know, it's like a funny controversy. Like
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I think we spoke recently about what was it? The
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Hawaiian coffee that Sarah's day had that was $ 9 or something.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And I suppose that's a good thing to remember, even
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: as a listener of our show for the listeners that,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Sometimes let's just have fun with it. Let's not attack
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: somebody completely.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Let's have a laugh about it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I think around 2020, people got a little bit too picky.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: And like we hold our hands up. We're included as well.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Some of the stories I look back that we reported on,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, everyone was angry at home. We were all
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: locked away. We were all angry.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: We were stuck inside and seeing an influencer like post shit.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: You're just like, shut the fuck up. You're so trans.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And I get it. I think the same all the time.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: And that's why you're right. People need to stop taking
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: things so seriously because it's like your best friend would
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: complain about a $ 9 coffee too. I would complain. Like, well,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: she's just an influencer that posts her life 24-7. So
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: she gives us a platform to look at her and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, you're so annoying. But actually everyone does it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: We just show it online, which I guess are the
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: pros and cons of showing your life online, right? You're
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: open to criticism. But I think people are, they take
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: things too seriously. It needs to be more fun and
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: lighthearted and just like, you can find me annoying, that's fine.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But I probably find you just as annoying. But you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: don't have a platform for me to comment on.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. What about like platforms? Do you
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: delve much into, I mean, I don't even want to
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: name it, Tattle. Like that is a very toxic place.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, it is toxic. And I got into
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: a really bad rhythm of, obsessing over it like I
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: love seeing what people say about me because I either
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: laugh or I cry like sometimes I want a reason
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to cry like it's so bad for my mental health
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and that is probably why I'm seeing a therapist but
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: no I was reading a lot into it and my
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: therapist has taught me he's like why like why and
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like I don't know because I just kind of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: want to see what people are saying he's like why
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you can't control it and are you going to change
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: for them and I was like no he goes okay
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: so what's your purpose of reading I'm like I don't
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: know I probably feel shit about myself I guess And
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: he was like, you need to stop reading this because
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: it's really not, if it's not benefiting your life or
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: yourself or your family, like what, who cares what other
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: people's opinions say? Like you haven't cared for years. Why
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: are you? I'm like, it's not that I care. He's like, well,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: you do. I'm like, okay, you're right. I got to
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: stop reading it. And I, I do think it was
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: subconsciously having a negative impact on my mental health because
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I You know, I'd wake up grumpy one morning and
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't really have a reason why I was grumpy.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I wasn't tired. I should be happy. But I was like,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I do think it's eating away at me. Or I
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: always had stomach pain. I'm like, why are these people
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: saying this? Like, it's just so... What I hate about
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: these forums is that they're faceless. And they would never
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: say it to your face. And they can literally just
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: make up something from their asshole. Like they can literally
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: just pull something out, make it up, say whatever they want.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: And then Daily Mail runs an article. And I'm like,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that is not true. Why are you listening to these people?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And that's what annoys me because a lot of these
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: media outlets now find their next, you know, what they're
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: next going to write about Indy Clinton on forums. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is so stupid. Why are they doing this?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: What's the wildest thing that you've read or even, like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the funniest thing that you're like, that is so far
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: from the truth?
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is just wild and, like, so stupid to
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: speculate on someone's ethnicity. But on one of those forums
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: they were saying how Ben's definitely Indigenous and And I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: hiding it because I'm ashamed. And I'm like, what the fuck?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that could not be further from the truth.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Number one, I would never be ashamed of that. I
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: say to him, let's go get all your fucking ancestry.com done.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I want to see what you're made of, baby. He's Lebanese.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: But I'm also like, why do I even have to
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: explain that? Why would I ever be ashamed of ethnicity?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: And where are you pulling this from? For starters, like,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it's just such a wild and like, These are the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: things people make up. I'm like, you are so delusional.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Where did you just pull that from? Literally. Like, I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: have no idea. They even named a specific group that
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: he would be from based off where he grew up. What?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you are just actually delusional. And that was,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that for me was a turning point because I was like,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: holy shit, people really do just make mistakes. things up
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: from their mind like how creative they just like having
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: a shit day how creative can they get they smoke
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: a joint and they just make something up yeah.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It must be frustrating as well because it's not like
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you can go on there and defend yourself and if
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you were to make a video then it kind of
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: feeds into the like the toxic nature of it as
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: well Totally.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And that's my hardest thing I find on social media
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: is never sticking up for myself because you're always told,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I have always been taught. I've been in this game
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: for 11 years and from every management I've had, I've
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: always been taught not to, you know, it'll just blow over.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Never talk on anything ever, ever. Just be quiet, be quiet.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: And that's why going back to Ben's work colleagues doing this,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why do I have to be quiet for once?
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Like I've been quiet my whole life on everything. Why
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: do I have to be quiet about this? Like we're
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: just out here doing our own thing and you guys
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: still want to drag. Like I need to put you
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: guys into your place because otherwise it's not going to
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: blow over this thing. It's just like a bullying mentality.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: And I do think these forums have this bullying mentality too.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It's like, what's the last straw for you guys? I mean,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: do you want an influencer to take their own life?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Is that when you guys stop bullying and being faceless
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: behind a screen, it's so crazy, this bullying culture. And
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I see it so much, not just about myself and
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: That's why a lot of these forums are so, so
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: toxic and why you can't read them because in the
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: end it's only affecting your mental health. Like, they don't care.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: They're sitting at home. They're unhappy. They're probably not getting
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: any love. They're having shit time at work. Like, they
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: want you to feel that. And I've kind of come
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: to terms with that. And I'm like, I can't. This
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: toxic energy is going to give me either IBS. Or
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to have like constant insomnia because I
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: want to fucking check Tattle, which I should not be checking.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It's so strange to me because I feel like you're
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: such a much loved influencer that I didn't even know
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you had a Tattle thread. I've actually, I mean, I've
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: blocked Tattle from my computer and we had to block
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it on Sophie, who's not here, her phone, because there
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: is just this intrigued.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: You can't explain it. It's a defensive thing.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I think you're like, you want to know if there's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: something out there about you, you want to know what
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: people are saying.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Totally. And you kind of want to control the narrative,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: but then I'm also like, it's an uncontrollable narrative when
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: it's made up or it's just based off like zero facts.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: But it's, it's sad because, you know, there's this tattle
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and there's tea time. Like I just, They're all, I find,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: a little bit toxic. In the way I saw recently
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: somebody posted about Ben's ex-girlfriend, photos of her in the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: house or sitting on the same furniture. And then there's
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: just all these comments like, oh my god, how embarrassing
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: that she kept the same furniture. How could you live
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: with yourself? And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, this
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: is literally, this was literally Ben's house. Why would I
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: come in as a girlfriend and be like, okay, sell
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: all of your furniture because your ex-girlfriend has sat her
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: bum on it. I need it. So like, I'm like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: this is crazy. Like, why would I make him do that? Like,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I don't really care if we have the same dining
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: chairs around.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: The table that were here four years ago.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Like that was a house then I've created a home.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I've had, you know, there's kids in this home now
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: there's new couches with textures all over it. Like, I'm
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: just kind of like, you guys either are not parents
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: or I don't know what's going on because you guys
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: are picking apart the smallest things. Like why? And I'm
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: just kind of like, you guys, there's more to life
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: as if I'm going to be this crazy girlfriend that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: walks into this house being like, you better get rid
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: of all the furniture because your ex-girlfriend has sat her
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: bum on it. Like, What they don't see, I see that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: And then Ben kind of knew it triggered me a
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: little bit because I started being like, okay, like, I
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: want to change it all. Even though I know deep down,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: you know, I've had kids. I've made it a home.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I've made it so loving, full of love. And I've
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: bought new couches and now they're covered in texture. But
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: even like explaining myself, I was like, why am I
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: letting these people affect me? I know... what I've done
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: to create a home. Why do I let the opinions
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: of these people like really eat up inside of me?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: And Ben's like, okay, this is, do you want it?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: We can make a change. We can get, I can
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: literally put the dining tables out on the street tomorrow
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and you can buy new ones. And I'm like, no,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I don't even know why I care. I think because
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: then I see the pile on of people and I'm like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: oh my God, am I that delusional that I actually
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: haven't seen this this whole time? And it's so obvious.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: There's almost 200 comments and they're all saying the same thing.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm sorry.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: They're delusional. For example, my husband, he was engaged before
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: we got together. And I use all of the beautiful
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: serving boards that he and his fiance got given at
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: their engagement party.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: fantastic like let's bring it out this is great if
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: you got rid of everything indy i'm sure that they
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: would have been like can you believe she couldn't stand
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: having the ex-girlfriend's furniture in the house how wasteful to
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you know like you can't win it's.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Like you can never win in this instance and to
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: me i'm like that's not really important to me like
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: i've like having some chairs and tables and things around
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: that she was here. That's not, I don't really care.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not petty like that. Like I would much rather
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: create a home and a safe home and baby proof.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: The home, as you guys know, is very important. I
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: removed the cactuses and things out that were going to
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: hurt the kids. But like, that's important to me. Like
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: creating love and safety in a home is way more important.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Like I really could not care less about, you know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I would actually be more grateful if she left a
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: few of her things, some hair straighteners and stuff that
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I could really use.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: This is of course a Christmas episode and we haven't
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: even touched on Christmas bar, the cotton on commercial that
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: your husband's colleagues were insanely jealous about. But, um, I
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: already know that you're a huge Christmas lover because you
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: used to have a real Christmas tree until recently.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Why the change?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Do you know what? It was too much upkeep. I'm
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: so lazy like that. I'm like, okay, I've got the kids.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I've got the dogs and I have a molting dog.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I do not need a molting Christmas tree now. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: it was one of those things. I love the smell
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: of real Christmas trees. I loved going to this lady's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: house out. near the country and cutting it down myself.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: She gave me a chainsaw. Like I got to pick
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the tree. I remember taking maybe last year, um, or
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: not last year, the year before last. And we cut
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: it down. It was so much fun. But also the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: reason why I did a change is because I want
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Christmas to start in November. Like I'm not putting up
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: this Christmas tree in December and know that my tree
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: won't die in three weeks. Cause that's the thing with
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: real Christmas trees. Like they die, they die quickly. They
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: smell good for a hot minute, but they die very quickly.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: So I've invested in this epic, like, two-meter-tall fake one.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And then I've also bought pine tree-smelling candles. Are they
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: pine trees? Is that what they are? Yeah, pine tree-smelling candles.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's so important to have those candles because, yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: it's a balsam hill tree.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think it is. They're amazing.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I've just done the same thing. I've always had a
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: real Christmas tree.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: This year I bought a balsam hill because I wanted
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to put it up in November too.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Yours is up right now actually.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: It is, but it was just to see if I
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: got the right height for the room.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Balsam hill, they're great. Honestly, this Christmas tree
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: is incredible. It looks so real as well.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Last year you actually, I remember, organised these beautiful personalised stockings.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: And then it caused a massive stir.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: That's right. I mean, that was weird. I mean, it
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: wasn't weird. So I just randomly, I love Etsy, right?
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I order a lot of things from Etsy.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I just order these incredible rugs that took so long
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: to be handmade in Morocco, but like I found them
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: on Etsy and I love supporting the small businesses on there.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: So I knew if I just found a random small
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: business on Etsy that could make these beautiful little Santa sacks,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: they were not going to know who I am. Of course,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the message. I, like, placed the order, and I knew
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Sol's name. We knew Sol's name was going to be
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Sol from the get-go. So I placed this order, and
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: then I get a message back, oh, my God, Indy,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan. I can't believe you placed this order.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I promise I'm going to keep this name a secret.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: But then she really leveraged off it, right? And she's like, like,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing things being like, I know Indy Clinton's
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: baby's name. And, like, she was, I get it. I
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: guess she was trying to monetize from it. And I get,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I loved. that she was hustling like that. But I
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: was also like, wait, please do not say anything. Like,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know you, but like have my back through,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: let's just kind of communicate through the air that like,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: you're not going to say anything, please. And then I
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: saw that huge stir because she posted something like she
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: was very good at getting onto the marketing train and
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: leveraging from that. Like, I don't know who trained her
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: in media, but she nailed that. Didn't she?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cause she ended up sharing a name that it
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't Sol's name, but it was another S name and
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: it like fit all the clues and everyone's like, Oh
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: my gosh. She kind of had your back though.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Cause she put a bit of a red herring out there.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: That's true. And you know what? She's messaged me. She
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: sent me, she said I completely changed her business. Like
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: she said, I sold out cause she sent me a
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: jumper a few months ago with sleep deprived on it.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And she was like, I just want to say thank you.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Like you completely changed my business. Like you sold me out,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: but you also made me so much money that I
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: could buy another sewing machine and another this. And now
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I can elevate my business and another this, another that. Exactly.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: And I was like, wow. Well, you kind of did
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: it for yourself because you were really fishing with my name,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: weren't you? So you should be doing it for yourself.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Look at you just supporting small businesses and just.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I love supporting small businesses. I'm like, wow, you are so,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I wish I could be you. Like I, I support
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the hustle. I mean, especially, and then especially mums. I just,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I have this thing. for mums because now I'm in it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I know how hard it is. And so whenever I
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: see a mum on the street or a mum hustling
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: with a small business or a side business, I'm like,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: of course, have my money, take my money. I support you.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Exploit my name and whatnot for.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yours use my name run me through the dirt I
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: will support you this is what my self-development is teaching.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Me I would really love to do a quick Christmas
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: quiz before we go with you and it's basically we've
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: got ourselves in hot water before for giving opinions based
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: on Christmas food and Easter food anyway so I kind
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: of want to hear yours you know those tiers on
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the internet that are like god tier mid-tier and meh
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen those.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm too old.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: No, you're definitely not.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: We've seen them, so you're definitely not.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Maybe you're too young. Yeah, true.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: God tears the best and then you tear it and
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: then meh.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: You tear it like good and yeah. So pavlova, where
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: does that sit?
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I personally think pavlova's meh. I only like the fresh
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: fruit on it because it's too sweet, the white meringue.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I hate meringue. I think meringue is like just as
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: meh as lemon tart, so like meh. It kind of
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: smells like egg too. Oh, it smells like egg. Like
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the best thing about it is like either the passion
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: fruit pulp or the fresh mango on it. But like
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: just give me that in a bowl and I'll be happy.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: That surprises me, being like a beachy sort of Christmas person.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I know. I do want to like it, but just
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: like actually just give me a block of Cadbury chocolate
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: instead and I'll be happy.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: What about pudding then?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: No, pudding. Yuck. Meh. Actually makes me want to vomit.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Ben told me that that is all he has had.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: His grandma makes Christmas pudding like date pudding in July
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and freezes it until Christmas or something. And I'm like,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: you've got to be kidding me. And a few years
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: ago she wanted to give us some. And I was like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: we're not taking that. Sorry. Thank you. I appreciate the effort.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: We're not having that pudding in our fridge. I'm not
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: eating it. I just think it's too sweet. I'm not.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: One second. You're going to eat it if you are.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I just think for me pudding is just way too sweet.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Like I can have one date that you cannot. put
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: a pudding of dates into my mouth.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: See, I bet Ben's grandma, she would have put coins
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: in the pudding. Like, I don't know if you've heard
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: of that because I spoke about it recently to someone else.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Because our grandma used to put money in the pudding.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, give me some more pudding then. I'm going
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to have to go to her house and get it
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: out of the freezer. Yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So, like, I think we've all been classically conditioned to
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: like pudding just because of the cash.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Well, if someone told me there was money in it,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I definitely would have eaten it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of our aunties, she was rich and she
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: used to put gold coins and we were like, oh,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Well, she didn't put them in.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: She didn't bake them in because I think you can
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: really poison yourself. So it was, like, on the side
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: of the bowl.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Yeah.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: That's so epic.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: What Christmas dessert do you like then?
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: What's God tier for you?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: So I don't think this is very Christmassy, but I
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: love tiramisu. Tiramisu is like my jam. Serve me a
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: tiramisu on a reindeer and I will eat the whole thing.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I love tiramisu, but that's probably not Christmassy. If it
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: was me, though, I would much rather fill up on
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: all of the ham. I'm new to eating ham, but
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I really love it now. Ham and prawns, oysters, seafood.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: That's what I want to fill up on. And then
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I'll just kind of like make, I actually just want
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to eat margaritas and champagne. That's where I would find
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: most of my calories. Like I want to be the
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: drunk auntie on Christmas day because last year I had mastitis,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: so I couldn't be drunk. I was on antibiotics. So
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: then I kind of just want to roll into some
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: fresh fruit and maybe just into some Cadbury chocolate. Like
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: that's how basic I am. I am very basic when
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: it comes to eating. I'm a really simple eater. I
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: don't like sauces.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Let's be honest.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, that sounds way better than like Christmas pudding,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: just Cadbury chocolate.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I agree. Just give me some, or even just like Toblerone.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Like I just love, if I'm going to fill up,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: that's what I want to fill up on. Like followed
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: by a peppermint tea to wash everything down into an
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: afternoon swim. Like honestly, Christmas day. I'm so excited.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Well, we hope you have the most amazing Christmas. And
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing your balsam hill tree up
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: in November.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, I know. We're going to compare. I'm
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: going to set mine up in November, so I'll take
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: photos and send it to you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, please do.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I'd love to see it. We'll see whose is bigger.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I think yours is. Mine's like, oh, actually, maybe not.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I think mine's two metres too, so we'll get the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: measuring tapes out.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Get your measuring tape.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Thank you, guys. Thank you. I'll catch you soon.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed our chat with Indy Clinton. Don't
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• 44:22
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• 44:25
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