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Was The Fix In Against Rico Verhoeven? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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Speaker 1: In this corner standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns,
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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Welcome back to another episode of
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Speaker 1: Next Somebody Podcasts. It's gonna be a short edition, however,
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Speaker 1: I'm always Jamison, Joan Bi, Luise, Louise.
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Speaker 2: What's going on, man?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Jamison, We're here to talk about one very
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Speaker 3: specific fight from the weekend, the Alexander Usik versus Rico
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Speaker 3: for Hoven boxing match. Yeah. I mean we had said
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Speaker 3: before that, you know, neither of us was very interested
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Speaker 3: in this matchup because Rico for Hooven was a kickboxer.
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Speaker 3: He was one to zero in boxing. We both thought
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Speaker 3: it was kind of ridiculous. I was more interested in
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Speaker 3: the undercard, but my dumb ass forgot that this fight
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Speaker 3: was in Egypt, so I realized it was like, I
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Speaker 3: don't even know what time it was, maybe like three thirty,
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Speaker 3: four thirty PM, and I was like, oh, crap, ooh, crap,
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Speaker 3: o crap. So I turned on the TV. Turns out
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Speaker 3: I only caught the main event. So that was a
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Speaker 3: boo boo on my part. You know, you hear Saturday
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Speaker 3: Big event, Usik's fighting. In my brain, it's like Saturday night, right,
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Speaker 3: So it's you know, getting used to all of these other,
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Speaker 3: you know fights back by the Saudi's during the day.
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Speaker 3: It just it hasn't clicked with my brain. So but yeah,
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Speaker 3: the fight was was controversial, so we'll start here. You know,
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Speaker 3: Rica Overhoman looked good in the ring. He looked really
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Speaker 3: good against Usik. Usik looked a little snoozy. There was
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Speaker 3: a stoppage in round eleven seconds before the bell rang,
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Speaker 3: possibly even like one or two seconds before the bell rang.
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Speaker 3: People thought it was very controversial of controvers stoppage and
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Speaker 3: that it was a protection for Usick. Maybe. What did
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Speaker 3: you think about it? What was your thoughts on whether
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Speaker 3: that stoppage was legit or the legitimacy of the win.
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Speaker 1: I think the win is the wind. I mean, the
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Speaker 1: stoppage was a little bit controversial, but I don't think
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Speaker 1: it was like we need an investigation bad I don't
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Speaker 1: think it was at I think it was boxing. I
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Speaker 1: don't think it was even crazy. With that being said,
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Speaker 1: guys that are our age fighting, you're gonna see slippage.
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Speaker 1: Like it's a reason why you know guys aren't good
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Speaker 1: after like thirty five. It's the reason why you can
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Speaker 1: tell whether it's age, where he's injured, whatever it is,
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Speaker 1: you can tell, man, he just didn't have it that night.
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Speaker 1: He did not have it like you just it was.
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Speaker 1: And it's what happens with boxers, like you never lose
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Speaker 1: it until you like in the ring, and it goes.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen gradually. A lot of times it's just like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is the same guy anymore, and it happens. And
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Speaker 1: I think that's what kind of happened on Saturday afternoon.
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Speaker 1: And you mess around with a challenger that doesn't care
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Speaker 1: about anything you've done, that's ready for war, and look
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Speaker 1: that's what we got. And I'm looking in the situations like, man,
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Speaker 1: this could have this could have went a different way.
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Speaker 1: And now the heavyweight division already is kind of in
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Speaker 1: flux and now it's kind of wide open. Now. I
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Speaker 1: think I was watching like, hey, I could do this.
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Speaker 1: I compete with that. So I just think Saturday kind
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Speaker 1: of opened things up a little bit. Whether it's controversial
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Speaker 1: or not, I just think that Saturday kind of like
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Speaker 1: opened a lot of eyes and possibilities. The only issue
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Speaker 1: is those possibilities aren't in the States. All those fights
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Speaker 1: when being made elsewhere apartminack you made here.
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Speaker 2: That's the only thing that sucks.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you have any opinion or is there
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Speaker 3: any way for people to kind of know whether, yeah,
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Speaker 3: usick might have lost it because that just happens everybody,
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Speaker 3: or maybe just had a bad night, Like do you
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Speaker 3: have any sense of either or both?
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Speaker 1: It could be both, because here's the thing, like you
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Speaker 1: g have a bad night, but at thirty nine, your
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Speaker 1: bad nights are usually due to you kind of losing it,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like that's kind of when
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Speaker 1: you have a bad night at twenty seven, it's just
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Speaker 1: a bad night. You know, you got out corner and
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Speaker 1: got out box. Sometime you're still come out with the wind.
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Speaker 1: It happens having a bad night at thirty nine. It
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Speaker 1: kind of is what it is like. You know, you
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Speaker 1: have a bad night at thirty nine, and this is
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Speaker 1: kind of who you are, and you gotta be very
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Speaker 1: careful because if you're not honest with yourself, and you're
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Speaker 1: not you know, taking a deep, deep dive into who
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Speaker 1: you are and what's going on, it can get bad,
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Speaker 1: it can get ugly. So we'll see what happens. I'm
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Speaker 1: very curious on what the next steps are. But man,
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Speaker 1: it was. But you know we've seen when you've seen
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Speaker 1: somebody so much boxing, this is normal, Like it is normal.
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Speaker 1: That's why, like everybody's giving Terrence Crawford a lot of
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Speaker 1: you know, guff right now. It's like, nah, he knows what,
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Speaker 1: he knows his body, he knows his age, he knows
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Speaker 1: how much he has left. And if you don't want
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Speaker 1: to fight, no more, more power to him.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And just to be clear for the listeners who
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Speaker 3: and I know this, you know you're not just pulling
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Speaker 3: thirty nine as like a random age of a man
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Speaker 3: who's old for boxing. Alexander Usik is literally thirty nine
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Speaker 3: years old, which which is wild, which is a wild
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Speaker 3: age to be boxing period. And for him, you know,
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Speaker 3: amazing that he won the heavyweight championship against Fury. Here's
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Speaker 3: my thing that really stuck out because we could say
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Speaker 3: about like oh bad, stop this or that. You know,
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Speaker 3: this fight shouldn't have been made. Rico should have won.
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Speaker 3: The thing that stuck out to most of me is
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Speaker 3: did you see any images of the judges scorecards after
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Speaker 3: the fight anywhere, like on social media?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, so it was ninety four two of them
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Speaker 1: were tied four then the challenger was up on the
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Speaker 1: other card ninety six. Either it was no, so I
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Speaker 1: think it was ninety five ninety five on two cards
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Speaker 1: in ninety six ninety four on the one that was
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Speaker 1: for the challenger, which was interesting, which was very interesting.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so one one judge had even Rico up
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Speaker 3: one round when when the stop itch happened. Yeah, so,
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Speaker 3: and I always my math brain, I'm sorry, Like with age,
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Speaker 3: math has just gone out the window. So I always
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Speaker 3: hate when they use numbers for scores. But it's it's
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Speaker 3: out of ten, you know ten, someone win's around, they
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Speaker 3: get ten points, they lose around, they get nine points,
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Speaker 3: they get knocked down, they get doctor point. But so
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Speaker 3: I always I always prefer to use you know, this
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Speaker 3: person was a round as appost at ninety six ninety
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Speaker 3: four whatever, But that's just me because again math brain
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Speaker 3: has gone. But no, I was really this really reminded
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Speaker 3: me of do you remember when Tyson Fury fought Francis Naganu,
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Speaker 3: the guy from the UFC That was in twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 3: and Fury took home the win with the decision also
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Speaker 3: controversial people saying that Nagana should have won. I personally think, honestly,
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Speaker 3: I thought Nagana won that fight, and I hate to
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Speaker 3: be the conspiracy guy the boxing is corrupt guy, but
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Speaker 3: Francis Nagano versus Tyson Fury was also kind of a
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Speaker 3: stunt fight. It was before the Usik Fury matchup was
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Speaker 3: gonna happen, and then you got a kickboxer. I'm I
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Speaker 3: would say if I was a conspiracy guy, I would
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Speaker 3: say that these stunt fights, there's never a chance anyway
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Speaker 3: for this challenger that's not a boxer to take the
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Speaker 3: heavyweight championship from either of those guys. I don't really
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Speaker 3: think that that was ever going to happen. So let's
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Speaker 3: say that if Usik didn't if they let the fight go,
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Speaker 3: if Usik didn't get a knockdown, will would those judges
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Speaker 3: scorecards still have have the both of them tied or
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Speaker 3: two two out of three have the fight tied I
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Speaker 3: think maybe, to be quite honest with you, I don't
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Speaker 3: know anything.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's tough because we don't know happens around twelve,
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Speaker 1: Like that's the thing. We have no clue, So it's
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Speaker 1: kind of hard to speculate. But I think we're going
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Speaker 1: towards some sort of I don't know the rules of
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Speaker 1: this said fight, but it looks like we're going to
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Speaker 1: a majority draw. It looks like we're head of that way.
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Speaker 1: That's the way it was looking, with the way the
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Speaker 1: cards are looking in a way, if I was looking now.
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Speaker 1: That being said, Rico is very close to winning that
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Speaker 1: fight if for some reason, if somehow, some way he
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Speaker 1: stays you know, you know, he avoids what happened eleventh Roald,
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Speaker 1: he probably wants to fight.
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Speaker 2: That's the craziest part. But that's boxing. Like that's why
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Speaker 2: boxing is.
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Speaker 1: So fun because at a moment's notice, your whole portugal change.
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Speaker 1: So that's why it's very fascinating what happens in these
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Speaker 1: championship type fights. That being said, U Sig in his
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Speaker 1: camp better be very very careful going forward, because yes,
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Speaker 1: right now I can make a lot of money. He's
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Speaker 1: still a big name. You know, he's a champ. But man, nah, man,
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Speaker 1: do you no one hold him, no one fold him?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean definitely. Here's the thing I'm looking at.
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Speaker 3: I'm looking again the fury versus the guy who results,
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Speaker 3: versus what the fight looked like to me to me,
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Speaker 3: and then I'm looking at the scorecards we got based
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Speaker 3: on how the fight looked to me up to that point. Yes,
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Speaker 3: we don't know what happens in round twelve, but I
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Speaker 3: didn't see a draw happening in those whatever ten rounds.
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Speaker 3: I saw ric over home and up a couple of rounds.
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Speaker 3: And sure I could go back and do the thing
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Speaker 3: where I watch it and kind of score it myself
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Speaker 3: and do the thing. But I am speaking just about
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Speaker 3: what it looked like on the night of or the
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Speaker 3: afternoon of. And yeah, I really, I really think that
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Speaker 3: it would have been a recod decision if it wasn't
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Speaker 3: a stoppage or a knockout. Here's where we can get
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Speaker 3: a little extra conspiracy. E theorist t so Reek Overhovan
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Speaker 3: was knocked down legitimately by a NUSI punch, got back up,
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Speaker 3: gave him the eight count. He got back in there
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Speaker 3: and was getting was getting his ass kicked by us definitely,
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Speaker 3: Like I believe that the eight count ended when they
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Speaker 3: hit the little twelve second ten second cow bell, So
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Speaker 3: was there a chance like was this now or never?
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Speaker 3: You know, Usik was kicking ass and then you stop
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Speaker 3: the fight so that we don't have to go to
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Speaker 3: round twelve, so we don't have to, you know, have
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Speaker 3: the possibility of Reek over Home becoming the heavyweight champ.
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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, I'm getting merry. Yep, it would
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Speaker 3: make sense, right. It's just like after his knockdown, while
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Speaker 3: he was getting his ass kick, the fight was gonna
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Speaker 3: end in literally one or two seconds, true, true, Like
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry the round, the round was gonna end, not
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Speaker 3: the fight. Round eleven was gonna end in one or
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Speaker 3: two seconds literally, and you know that that barrage of
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Speaker 3: punches that Rico was taking again he was getting his
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Speaker 3: ass kicked. But I didn't see it as being too
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Speaker 3: different from anything that other fighters have powered through at
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Speaker 3: the very end of a round. So yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 3: maybe this was the kind of thing where you know,
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Speaker 3: as soon as you get a chance to get in
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Speaker 3: there and keep the belts with Usik, let's take it.
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Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 3: I love the sport and you know. But I'm also
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Speaker 3: not stupid to be like boxing because could never be corrupt,
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Speaker 3: you know, But I don't know. I mean, it's about
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Speaker 3: this as as a boxing expert is someone who knows
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Speaker 3: way much more about it in history than I do.
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Speaker 3: Do you think I'm going too far by by positing
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Speaker 3: these things, Jameson?
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Speaker 1: I mean, when it comes to the boxing, you can't
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Speaker 1: rule anything out because we've seen so much and there's
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Speaker 1: so much at stake. Also, it takes a lot to
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Speaker 1: dethrown a champ, especially in a division like that where
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of money at stake. So if that
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Speaker 1: guy is trying to close the show of around ye,
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Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see, I see the rest.
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Speaker 1: So the one thing I will say is this the
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Speaker 1: rest favor the favorite, the rest favorite the champ. You
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Speaker 1: have to literally beat the shit out of the champ
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Speaker 1: to win the fight.
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Speaker 2: This is how it goes, That's how it always goes.
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Speaker 1: You gotta knock them, you knock champ out, or you
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Speaker 1: gotta severely be able to champ.
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Speaker 2: And in the second instant there's no gette.
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Speaker 1: You'll win, but you got to really convincingly take that
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Speaker 1: champ's belt and if you're not going to do that,
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Speaker 1: it's very tough because the ref will do things to
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Speaker 1: keep the fight close.
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Speaker 2: The RAF will, you know.
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Speaker 1: They will, you know, if you guys are clinching too much,
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Speaker 1: they'll kind of you know, they'll kind of slope, I see,
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Speaker 1: muck up the fight. They'll slope the tempo and they'll
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Speaker 1: do things. They'll they'll do things. But also, hell, I
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Speaker 1: will say this, when it comes down to it, everybody
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Speaker 1: knows what's at stake when it comes to these fights.
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Speaker 1: Everyone knows what's going on. There's not a lot of
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Speaker 1: value in a challenger winning a fight, first heavyweight champion
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Speaker 1: at this stage in the game. There's just not not
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Speaker 1: like it ain't like it is twenty five years ago.
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Speaker 1: It's not the case. We understand what that stake, We
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Speaker 1: understand the business of everything. And you're in a different country,
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Speaker 1: so it's not like you're in Vegas or New York
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Speaker 1: City or LA.
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Speaker 2: Who knows what's going on over there.
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Speaker 3: Well, this this whole thing was kind of this whole
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Speaker 3: thing was weird. I did read I saw Jason Statham ringside,
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Speaker 3: which I was like confused by, but I looked it
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Speaker 3: up and apparently he was involved in making this fight
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Speaker 3: happen because he was friends with Ricover. You know, Case's
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Speaker 3: being a kickboxing guy. He was, he's he's good, he's
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Speaker 3: in't good with the Sadis, So yeah, he apparently he
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Speaker 3: was a big driving force behind this. But yeah, I
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Speaker 3: mean you've got not only you know, these deals being
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Speaker 3: made with somebody with a fighter that's not in boxing
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Speaker 3: at all, plus with the Saudis kind of like you said,
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Speaker 3: he can't rule anything out. But yeah, the other thing
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Speaker 3: is that you did say that the red favors a champion.
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Speaker 3: And let's be real, so so do the.
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Speaker 1: Judges always always, unless you're in a weird state or
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Speaker 1: something's going on. But for the most part, nine times
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Speaker 1: out of ten, the judges give the benefit of the doubt,
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Speaker 1: especially on the first fight, especially the first fight to
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Speaker 1: the champ.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: So, I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and say that,
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Speaker 3: you know, one hundred percent say that it was a robbery.
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Speaker 3: Because here's another thing too. I do strongly believe seeing
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Speaker 3: how much ass Lusik was kicking at the end the
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Speaker 3: eleventh round, if Usik kept that up in round twelve,
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Speaker 3: it could absolutely have ended with a knockout. Right, So yes,
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Speaker 3: he was very snoozy throughout the fight. Even the announcers
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Speaker 3: were saying, you know, well, Usik can kind of take
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Speaker 3: his time to download information. He might be a sow starter.
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Speaker 3: But by around like eight, they're like, where the hell
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Speaker 3: is he? Like why has he he woken up and
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Speaker 3: thrown it? Let his hands go, things like that, And
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Speaker 3: I agree, you know, Rico was definitely we looked really
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Speaker 3: good in terms of punch volume, speed, But yeah, Usik did. Finally,
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Speaker 3: finally somebody called him and reminded him that there was
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Speaker 3: a fucking boxing match happening, and he woke up and
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Speaker 3: run eleven. Thank god, but he and again he looked great.
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Speaker 3: You know, the punch he through were precise and definitely
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Speaker 3: hurting Rico. And I would believe as well that if
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Speaker 3: it went to a twelve, Usik would have gotten the knockout. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's that's I'd give that like a seventy five percent
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Speaker 3: chance of happening based on what we saw. But again,
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Speaker 3: if you take the risk, let it go to a
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Speaker 3: decision and it comes out of majority draw, after what
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Speaker 3: we would have seen, I think I think people would
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Speaker 3: have thought it was even more ridiculous that it was
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Speaker 3: a majority draw. To be quite honest with you, yeah,
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Speaker 3: because we're not talking about you know, we're talking about
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Speaker 3: an eleventh round stop. The fight was pretty clear for
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Speaker 3: the majority of the time, So right, yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 3: the biggest thing about Usak's career going forward is that
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Speaker 3: I've lamented kind of that there's not really any a
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Speaker 3: lot of exciting things happening because he was talking about
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Speaker 3: maybe fighting Tyson Fury a third time, fighting something maybe
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Speaker 3: like Daniel Duboi again or something like that. Nothing that
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Speaker 3: really like made me stoked for the end of Usak's career.
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Speaker 3: And now I mean is are people going to see
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Speaker 3: blood in the water? Like what's gonna happen to the guy?
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Speaker 1: Blood is definitely in the water. Blood is one of
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Speaker 1: those things where it's like whoa, okay, like what's going
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Speaker 1: on here? It's one of those like hey, like you know,
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Speaker 1: he look kind of shaky, like okay, because remember, all
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Speaker 1: you need is one fight versus somebody take their built
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Speaker 1: in your career has changed forever. All you need is
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Speaker 1: the one fight, and everybody's looking like, oh, it looks vulnerable,
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Speaker 1: all right, a little older. By the time the next
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Speaker 1: fight happens, were months away. Because he's not gonna come
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Speaker 1: back in two months, so you know, he might be
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Speaker 1: forty five time he fights again.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say this. You know, we talked about Turkeyela
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Speaker 3: Shik was talking about Benavidez versus Usak, and you know,
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Speaker 3: last episode we mentioned that Benavide's kind of said, well,
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Speaker 3: I would move up to heavenweight, but not for another
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Speaker 3: five years. Benavidez would beat that version of Usek easy.
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Speaker 3: I would definitely give it to Benavidez after what we
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Speaker 3: saw on Saturday. Right previously, I'd said, you know, have
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Speaker 3: to maybe look at some tape and kind of determine,
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Speaker 3: you know what where Ustik's vulnerabilities were. But yeah, it
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Speaker 3: was wild. I mean definitely, if Rico Verehovan had one,
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Speaker 3: if it went to decision anyone, it would have been,
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Speaker 3: like I guess, one of the biggest modern upsets that
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Speaker 3: I that I can think of. But again, like I
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Speaker 3: don't see the boxing world kind of just letting this
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Speaker 3: dude pop in from the kickboxing after one fights and
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Speaker 3: becoming the heavyweight champ, Like that's that's the kind of
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Speaker 3: thing you would just it would be kind of an
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Speaker 3: embarrassment for boxing. Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1: It is, but an ay, I mean, I think we're
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Speaker 1: in a different world now. I think we're thinking to traditionalists.
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Speaker 1: I think now we have to understand that boxing is different,
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Speaker 1: Boxing is in a different stage now, and I think
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Speaker 1: we also have to understand the guys that are pure boxers,
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Speaker 1: that are older, they're way more vulnerable than we think of.
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Speaker 1: Even like you mentioned Tyson Fury versus Nicano a couple
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Speaker 1: years ago, Tyson Fury was older than too. He was
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Speaker 1: in his thirty upper thirties during then, too, and I
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Speaker 1: know of his training regimen it wasn't great. So yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: it's we're in a different stage of things, and the
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Speaker 1: boxers nowadays process and do things a little bit differently
17:59
Speaker 1: than gods.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's just a different era, that's all.
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Speaker 3: Sure, that's fair. And I do think as well that
18:06
Speaker 3: even with the loss, you know, ric Overhoving isn't walking
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Speaker 3: away empty handed. If he wants to continue boxing, if
18:12
Speaker 3: he wants to continue being a boxer. He's got hype
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Speaker 3: behind his name. People will say, you know, oh, now
18:18
Speaker 3: people are fans of this guy. They know who he is.
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Speaker 3: You know, obviously he was a big name in the
18:23
Speaker 3: kickboxing world, but especially after his performance that people are
18:28
Speaker 3: going to show up to her his next one if
18:29
Speaker 3: he keeps going right. So I feel like, let's say this,
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Speaker 3: I feel like if he was robbed and you know,
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Speaker 3: the powers came together to make sure that he didn't
18:38
Speaker 3: become the heavyweight champ, it was sort of like, but
18:41
Speaker 3: you got something out of this rico, Like, you got
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Speaker 3: some fame, you got some hype, and you made some fans.
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Speaker 1: Right, So here's a similar situation. Okay, remember tank first
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Speaker 1: roach that was on the verge of being a very
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Speaker 1: big upset. It was very it was very close, very
18:57
Speaker 1: very close. These things do happen that might wrote to
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Speaker 1: a lot of money, and they basically propelled his career
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Speaker 1: to where he's getting regular fights that people care about.
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Speaker 1: So these things do matter. With that being said, if
19:09
Speaker 1: you're able to close the show, it changes everything. But
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Speaker 1: you bring up a good point. You know, we got
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Speaker 1: kickboxers coming in, we got all these hybrid fights, and
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Speaker 1: I just think that expect the unexpected.
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Speaker 2: At this point with the heavyweights, I think you kind
19:25
Speaker 2: of have to expect unexpected because.
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Speaker 1: Remember, they're in it to make money, and right now,
19:29
Speaker 1: there's not enough name brand heavyweights. So if there is
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Speaker 1: a cross promotion thing going on, then we kind of
19:36
Speaker 1: just gotta live with it because it ain't going nowhere,
19:39
Speaker 1: and everybody's in to make money. No one people care
19:42
Speaker 1: about the sport, but they care about making money more.
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Speaker 3: If that makes sense, Oh absolutely, And I definitely with you.
19:48
Speaker 3: How about this, I'll say that we're definitely going to
19:51
Speaker 3: see more cross promotion, more stunt fights. Like that's perfectly
19:55
Speaker 3: like understandable. But I feel that maybe I could hear this.
19:59
Speaker 3: I'm totally speculating. I'm just you know, just going off
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Speaker 3: vibes and and you know, just completely making this up.
20:05
Speaker 3: But I feel like somebody would could make a deal
20:09
Speaker 3: with like a kickboxer, you FC guy, and they say,
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Speaker 3: we're gonna give you a chance to fight a big
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Speaker 3: ass name. You're not gonna win, but if you show
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Speaker 3: up and like kick ass in this fight and look good,
20:18
Speaker 3: then that'll kind of propel you forward and you'll have
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Speaker 3: good promotion, good hype behind you, and somebody would take
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Speaker 3: that fight because they're gonna make a load of money
20:24
Speaker 3: and they're going to walk away, you know, with with
20:28
Speaker 3: hype behind them for the next one. So again that
20:31
Speaker 3: just kind of I'm feeding into my own conspiracy theories
20:35
Speaker 3: about uh, you know this this particular fight again, comparing
20:40
Speaker 3: it with the Fury Nagano This this literally has happened
20:42
Speaker 3: twice when there's a very good chance that a complete
20:47
Speaker 3: unknown in the boxing world comes in upsets the champ,
20:52
Speaker 3: you know, it becomes the heavyweight champion with only one
20:55
Speaker 3: or two boxing matches under there, you know, in their career, right,
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Speaker 3: And I feel like maybe that's just that's just not
21:01
Speaker 3: that's not going to be allowed, you know, Okay, I
21:05
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, it was very very interesting to see,
21:08
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, I definitely wanted to come at this
21:11
Speaker 3: with a kind of a different approach other than people
21:13
Speaker 3: just saying bad stopage robbery, et cetera, and kind of
21:16
Speaker 3: really dig into what we saw and and what what
21:21
Speaker 3: what the basically what the hell happened? And how did
21:24
Speaker 3: this kickboxer come in looking so good and ready to
21:27
Speaker 3: take this win? But yeah, you know, like I say,
21:31
Speaker 3: we want to keep this episode short. We're going, uh
21:33
Speaker 3: at least for the summer, We're definitely going to be
21:35
Speaker 3: doing weekly content, but uh, we're going to try to
21:38
Speaker 3: find a couple of topics here that we hyper focus
21:41
Speaker 3: on on our short episode, so we can wrap it
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