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Kayvon Thibodeaux: From Bust to Breakout Season, NIL Dilemma, + Cam & Kayvon Debate: Rings or Riches? (ENCORE) · NFL Game Previews

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  Speaker 1: What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back with
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  Speaker 1: another episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now
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  Speaker 1: as we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to reflect on some of the incredible guests I had
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  Speaker 1: the pleasure of sitting down with last season. But hey,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry, though, I got you new episodes coming your
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  Speaker 1: way real soon. Relax, I got you. But in the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: in between time, let's rewind and play back some of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite interviews from season one. For the grand finale
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  Speaker 1: of our best season one interviews, I got something special
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  Speaker 1: lined up for you, and not just because he's lined
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  Speaker 1: up against opposing quarterbacks. We're spotlighting a young star on
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  Speaker 1: the rise. But don't let his age fool you. This
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  Speaker 1: guy's wise beyond his years. I'm talking about none other
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  Speaker 1: than Giants defensive end Kavon Thibodeau. So I appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: for tapping in a young bull, young gun, a young
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  Speaker 1: killer off the Edge, Cavon Thibodeaux from from Oregon. You know,
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  Speaker 1: fifth pick overall and twenty twenty two second year ran boy.
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  Speaker 2: Went for for more than ten sacks, bro.
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  Speaker 1: I just appreciate you tapping in with me. I mean
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  Speaker 1: beyond sacks. You know, you still pushed in another fifty tackles.
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  Speaker 1: You know what to work. We played all this year
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  Speaker 1: and you know you were a menace. You were a
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  Speaker 1: minis on the line and I love them.
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  Speaker 3: I love to see the best of us, the best
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  Speaker 3: of us this time.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, you had a kid named Tommy Cutlet spinning that thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one for the young bulls. You know, he
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  Speaker 3: almost got it done.
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  Speaker 1: We gotta keep going, absolutely when you have a forty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars quarterback that you hope to you know, be playing. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I've been in that position where I've seen our starter
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  Speaker 1: quarterback go down and the next man up have to
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  Speaker 1: go and.
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  Speaker 2: You could win, you could win some. But so I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna get away it.
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  Speaker 3: Get tough, Yeah, get to deep end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you go from a Desert Eagle to a
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  Speaker 1: smith and West and you're like, all right, we can
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  Speaker 1: get the job done. So the second year, man, what
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  Speaker 1: changed for you this year? You talk about for the
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  Speaker 1: first year you got actially made. The second year you
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  Speaker 1: turned it up.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: Just the comfortability, you know you talk about being second
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  Speaker 4: year in the system, second year, you know, going against
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  Speaker 4: the best guys in the league, or the best guys
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  Speaker 4: in the world, I should say, you just start to
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  Speaker 4: feel more comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: You get a little more time to rest, you get
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  Speaker 3: more time off.
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  Speaker 4: You know, obviously coming off college, you got the draft
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  Speaker 4: and all that to prepare for, so you never actually
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  Speaker 4: get your body time to rest and time to you know,
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  Speaker 4: focus on football.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: So now I.
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  Speaker 3: Had a full off season last year. I was able
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  Speaker 3: to come in.
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  Speaker 4: I was able to really focus on the game and
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  Speaker 4: how to get better and what I need to get
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  Speaker 4: better at. And then you know, I was able to
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  Speaker 4: and then playing alongside guys obviously Dexter Lawrence learning how
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  Speaker 4: to rush the passer with you know, other guys Leonard Williams,
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  Speaker 4: he got traded, but you know that was a guy
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  Speaker 4: who kind of helped develop my game.
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  Speaker 3: And then Disse on the.
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  Speaker 4: Other side, and every other man that's kind of stepped
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  Speaker 4: up and been a part of the front. We've just
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  Speaker 4: been you know, they've been a vessel and they've been
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  Speaker 4: there to you know, help me grow and we've learned
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  Speaker 4: how to rush as a unit, and that's kind of
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  Speaker 4: that's was a testament to you know, the players we're
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  Speaker 4: making that.
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  Speaker 2: PC answer, Yeah, yeah, give Flowers to everybody. I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I got to go to big your big grol step.
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  Speaker 1: You clearly hooped in high school, Big big, big yearl step.
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  Speaker 1: I see what you did there, big lag big Lane.
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  Speaker 1: From the film that I've watched. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: your first year, you show, you show some glimpses. This
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  Speaker 1: year it seemed like, you know, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know how to say that without having to say pause.
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  Speaker 2: You learn how to use your length more like it's
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  Speaker 2: crazy work to help out, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, but as a deepens of m bro you learn
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  Speaker 1: how to extend your arms out, lockout and as well
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  Speaker 1: as uh, you know, your long arm and power sort
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  Speaker 1: of came into play.
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  Speaker 3: So for me, you know, I used to use long
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  Speaker 3: arm in college.
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  Speaker 4: But you start to play against guys that aren't you
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  Speaker 4: know that they're not going forward as much as guys were.
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  Speaker 4: You got Trent William, you got you know, Peney Sewel,
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  Speaker 4: you got guys across the league who are you're not
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  Speaker 4: You're not gonna let a guy's two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 4: five pounds long army, you know. And for me as
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  Speaker 4: a rookie, I you know, you have that kind of
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  Speaker 4: in your head right, It's like you're going to fight
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  Speaker 4: Mike Tyson. It's like, Okay, I know what this guy has,
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  Speaker 4: so it kind of intimidates you and what you can do.
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  Speaker 4: So me kind of coming into the second year, I
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  Speaker 4: was able to build that confidence in the moves that
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  Speaker 4: I've already had, but you know, able to kind of
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  Speaker 4: believe in them a little more and start to, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, put them on display, no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a favorit pass social move now?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I would say long arm.
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  Speaker 4: You know that's always when you got when you are
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  Speaker 4: a guy with length, obviously you know you got to
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  Speaker 4: keep guys at a distance because I'm not the strongest guy.
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  Speaker 3: I can't.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you see a lot of guys kind of
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  Speaker 4: just move guys out the way and dexter Lawrence Lenn
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  Speaker 4: Williams or guys examples, even you are an example of that.
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  Speaker 3: When you have a little more.
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  Speaker 4: Weight behind you, you can't you know, you can use
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  Speaker 4: your moves, you can throw them around. But me now
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  Speaker 4: being able to use the long arm, keep the link
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  Speaker 4: and work off of it. You know, you start to
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  Speaker 4: see how there's so many moves and it's really just
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  Speaker 4: the angles. Your angles are a lot better off the
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  Speaker 4: long arm rather than like last year I was. There
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  Speaker 4: was a lot of running around the quarterback and it
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  Speaker 4: was like I got pressures and I got you know, hits.
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  Speaker 4: But I had to kind of shorten that angle because
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  Speaker 4: you know, guys are stepping up quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: They get paid money, they do for a reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I like to switch it up into in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: is its three really really two different angles. I think
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  Speaker 1: about the speed angle, which is a vertical attack, and
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  Speaker 1: I think about a power angle, which means I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: set your ass down, you know, And I say three
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  Speaker 1: at three angles because then like there's sometimes where you
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  Speaker 1: go into.
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  Speaker 2: A wide nine ish.
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  Speaker 1: And you you still angle them down. So now instead
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  Speaker 1: of you know, meet no matter what you think, it
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  Speaker 1: would be a speed angle, it's like a combination coming.
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  Speaker 4: You never yeah, you never realized how much geometry was
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  Speaker 4: in football, right and all the angles?
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  Speaker 3: Ale, Yeah, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Hit a girl look girlfriend out there like so so
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: so bring that over here, you know, like, oh you
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: know how you know how to show in a stell?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, come bringing it over here. Or a wife in
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  Speaker 2: my case because you know I'm married with four kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good life, man, that's a good life.
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  Speaker 3: But now I'm not there. Yeah, but I'm a crossover soon. No, No,
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  Speaker 3: I mean a relative as soon as relative.
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  Speaker 1: When that mustache and beard drop and connect, think about
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  Speaker 1: when the connect, We'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: No, don't do that, don't do that. Don't enjoy enjoy,
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  Speaker 2: enjoy you know year two, enjoy your three, four or
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  Speaker 2: five six, Maybe introduce the idea.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think I got to your I was like
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  Speaker 4: year four before people noticed when when he started talking,
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  Speaker 4: he started whispering, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna catch flat from wife you regardless, So
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  Speaker 1: you know where exactly do you want to go with it?
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  Speaker 1: But I'm sure you watched the games this weekend, Bro,
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  Speaker 1: what what did you take away from the Conference championship games?
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  Speaker 2: Because basically we all want to be there?
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, obviously, Like dude, just first, I could you know,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: were rooting for Lamar, and I'll just start off with
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  Speaker 4: the Lamar Patrick Mahone's game.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people are rooting for Lamar.
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  Speaker 4: Because of the flat that he gets right, for his
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  Speaker 4: style of play right, And I think us being players
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  Speaker 4: and us knowing how to grind, like for example, you
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  Speaker 4: do a swim move.
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  Speaker 3: Your swim move is better than any swim move I've
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  Speaker 3: ever seen.
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  Speaker 4: But I could promise that there are coaches or people
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  Speaker 4: that probably told you along your lines that, oh, the
• 6:54
  Speaker 4: swim move is you know, that's not the move or
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  Speaker 4: you know like that work. You've heard that, and you've
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  Speaker 4: made it one hundred sacks, you know, in counting whatever
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  Speaker 4: to get to that point. But yeah, man, you talk
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  Speaker 4: about a lot of guys seeing a guy like Lamar
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  Speaker 4: Jackson and what he can do and what he brings
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  Speaker 4: to the game, and you know, all the flak that
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  Speaker 4: he gets and all of the scrutiny that he's under, uh,
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  Speaker 4: even though he is one of the you know, greatest athletic,
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  Speaker 4: you know, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time
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  Speaker 4: I think as far as athleticism and.
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  Speaker 2: Ability, athleticism crazy.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I feel like we're all rooted for him,
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  Speaker 4: you know, watching the game. Obviously the Baltimore has a
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  Speaker 4: great defense, but I think, you know, Patrick Mahons, they's
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  Speaker 4: just been there too many times. I hate to say,
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  Speaker 4: you've just been there too many times. You've done it
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  Speaker 4: too many times.
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  Speaker 2: King of the Hill. You got to prove them. You
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: got to prove them they wrong.
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: Because it's yeah, for super bowls now in five or
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  Speaker 1: six years, even without this one, three super bowls in
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  Speaker 1: five or.
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  Speaker 4: Six years, got Chris Jones in the middle, Chris George
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  Speaker 4: car is just living. Shout out to carloftas he's a boy.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we were in the same Dravet class.
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  Speaker 2: He's right right a minute, a man crazy.
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  Speaker 3: And then the young guys in the back end, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the dvs.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta step up, you gotta make players, you gotta
• 8:07
  Speaker 4: stop it, and they making plays man. And I would say,
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  Speaker 4: I would say on that, you know, when you just
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  Speaker 4: talk about the game, it's tough when you know you
• 8:16
  Speaker 4: are fighting.
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  Speaker 3: That uphill battle, you know, and they fought.
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  Speaker 4: They obviously fall to the end, but you know it's
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  Speaker 4: it's tough, man, So they're gonna get it, right.
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  Speaker 3: I still I still see them being a good team.
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  Speaker 1: If you give him back three plays as a Flowers
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  Speaker 1: could have been touched, doown the you know the interception.
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  Speaker 3: And left I left the house right when he when
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: he caught it, and he and he did the he
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: got the flag. I was leaving and I'm like, oh yeah,
• 8:38
  Speaker 3: they're gonna score and I come back and I realized
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: the score was the same. I'm like, yo, it was
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: the touchback rule.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: What do you think about that? That touchback?
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: It is what he if you fall? I love it,
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, that's just desserts. Like, don't
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: we're not going to reward you for you Like you're
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: not going to get rewarded for trying to be Superman.
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, but Flowers as young as
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: he is bro like especial seasons he had as a rookie,
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  Speaker 1: Like he's gonna continue building on that, like hopefully he
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: uses that as motivation becomes even like even more of
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  Speaker 1: a dog, which he already was.
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  Speaker 3: It happens to the best of us. That's one of
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  Speaker 3: the things that you you wouldn't wish on anybody.
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  Speaker 1: It's just you know, it happens, man, you know and
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  Speaker 1: all that look on the same team, there was Marcus Williams,
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  Speaker 1: like I believe his his rookie year he had something
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: similar happened like against you know, New Orleans Saints playing Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: But God, why did you just bring that up exactly?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's like that's like the level that was there,
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: right so you can be you know, where you could
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  Speaker 1: pivot one of two ways. You can get down to
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  Speaker 1: yourself and not be a better player than you were before,
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  Speaker 1: or you become like Marcus Williams, who you know, ended
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: up getting a major contract going crazy, had like seven
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  Speaker 1: picks like two years, two seasons ago.
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  Speaker 3: Like this, this is funny.
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  Speaker 4: It's funny how you say that, because like for me,
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  Speaker 4: that was my last year, like going four and a
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  Speaker 4: half sacks, Like that's obviously not what I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: be or what I wanted to do. But it was
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  Speaker 4: like for me, you know, when you watch the game
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  Speaker 4: and you understand football, it's like a scheme. There's so
• 10:02
  Speaker 4: much that goes into getting a sack. There's I mean, it's.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: You you can win, you can win all your reps
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  Speaker 1: and still not get sacked.
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  Speaker 3: Lets do not get a sack, and that's just that's
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  Speaker 3: the game we play.
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  Speaker 4: So for me, it was like at the time, it's
• 10:14
  Speaker 4: like damn man, Like people calling me bus people are like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: this dude is you know, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: The media and your first sack was off, Like let's
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: even talk about it. But if your rookie year, your
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: first sack was off with lamar Jack for the strip
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  Speaker 1: sack fumble really to like.
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  Speaker 4: See it the way it was game, Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 4: pretty much it.
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  Speaker 2: It was a blessing like you like, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So there's there's flashes like as a rookie, you'd be like,
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: all right, bet, this is what we can build off of.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: You can't label you can't label a rookie a bus
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  Speaker 1: like I don't think. I don't think there's there should
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  Speaker 1: be a logility to do so like rooking your one
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  Speaker 1: is foundation year, Now show me something else.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely, it's definitely you know, building grounds.
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  Speaker 4: And I would say it's just tough, you know, when
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: you're a kid going through like you know, nineteen twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty or probably nineteen, but twenty twenty one, twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: your kid going through, you know, and you got the
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: world at your hands basically, and it's like even like
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: you know, like you said, it's a flower situation, like
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  Speaker 4: this kid is just trying to make as many.
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  Speaker 3: Plays as possible.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he's never been at a stage bigger than this,
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  Speaker 4: so it's like he has to prove you know, his
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  Speaker 4: legacy in one game.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like stuff just man.
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  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes the football guys, you know, sometimes the
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: game just goes away.
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  Speaker 2: It goes and no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, it's crazy you gonna bring up the football guys.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: You know, Hey, them old coaches. You should swear, man,
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  Speaker 1: you got to listen to the football guys.
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  Speaker 3: I believe.
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  Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah you can.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: I believe in a football outlying source, brother Christian.
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  Speaker 2: They can only be one guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, not the word we should use it
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  Speaker 4: the football energy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah there.
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  Speaker 2: We got to respect the game. You gotta respect the
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: old coaches. We dropped that joint.
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  Speaker 1: I came home one time, was like, man, the football gods,
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  Speaker 1: and my mom looked at me. I was like, yes, ma'am, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: not of clear, you're right, it ain't that football outliers energy.
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  Speaker 2: I like, I like energy.
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  Speaker 1: I might use that one. But so then you go
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: to you know, you checked out that game which pat
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  Speaker 1: mahone boys, just it just is what it is. He
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: catches a lot of hate for his outside circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: People like people like did you see his dad smoke
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: a cigar?
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: Did you see his dad and my dad his wife
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  Speaker 1: being all happy and chipper? Can you like, I'm like, bro,
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: if people around me are having success. I'm going to
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: be the most annoying mug out there. I'm like, I'm
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: Jackson Mahomes. I'm out there on the fifty yard like dancing.
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  Speaker 4: You can come on, I'm tiktoking, I'm dancing. I'm super
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: Bowl every year. Come on, bro, listen. I went to
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: the I went to the I went to the Bills,
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: the Bills Chiefs game. Right these first, Taylor Swift got
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: her own thing. It's it's it's uh, you know, it
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: got the it got the shade on the glass. Right
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: then the Mahomes families on the other side, as soon
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: as they open their box, snowballs just come flying in.
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: Like the fan the Bills fans are just lynching snowball
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  Speaker 4: and the dad, you know, the dad is right in front,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just so because he's you know, obviously he's
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: not a part of the Shenanigans, a TikTok and all
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  Speaker 4: the fun.
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  Speaker 3: He's Jason.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the way is that with Jason Kelsey like
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  Speaker 2: jumped on the.
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  Speaker 3: Other side strow Exactly. Yeah, it was definitely a time.
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  Speaker 3: But when you when you're winning, it's nothing people can
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: do other than look for other reasons to tear you down.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: I don't like him because because I'm a winner that
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: he took over from Alex Smith.
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: And thinking about look, I just I just seen a
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: tweet that's like, yo, Patrick Mahons is going to be
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: the Michael Jordan of the NFL.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: Like, watch how many quarterbacks? How many great quarterbacks don't
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: have a ring because of Patrick Mahons. And I was like, yo,
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: that that's true. It's a bunch of Charles Barkley's and
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: you know all the rest of the guys. I was
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: out there with Michael Jordan's Yeah, your thirteen without a ring.
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, I got a question for you. So
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: that was the thing that I saw in the NBA.
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: I think it was a gil rid Arenas and they
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: were talking about would you would you rather get, you know,
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: a fifty million dollar contract and a ring or one
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: hundred million dollar contract and no ring.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: I'd have to answer it. I don't answer your question.
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: Don't answer it because of what the media is gonna say.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: Don't aspen.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've got no fear of media.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm only going to ask this, does it matter where?
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Because it's gonna matter where for me because there's places
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: in this world like Buffalo.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Could not offer me enough money to get there too cold.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Like bro, my my only my only prayer before I
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: got drafted was Lord, don't send me anywhere cold Green Bay.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: They could be like, oh, can, We're gonna make you
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: the highest paid defensive end at thirty five million dollars
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: a year, and I'd like, politely thank you for your offer.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take something else. Yeah, okay, I'm not Bro.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: I'm never going to play somewhere cold, because after you see,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: we're fighting over fifty MILLI dollars one hundred million dollar.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: That's still more money than I've ever wanted in my life.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I came in this game, I was like, Hey, I
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: leave with ten million dollars, I'm never gonna have to
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: work again.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: What I was like, Yo, I was like, I was like,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: if I leave with ten I never have to work again, Mom,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: never have to work again.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: We're good man.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: I passed that up like by year four or five,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: you know. So Like so if you say fifty million
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: dollars in one hand, one hundred million dollars the other,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: no ring, super Bowl ring. I'm taking a super Bowl ring.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: But it's going to depend on the where. Yeah, it's
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: going to depend on where.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Get that.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: If you say, yo, Kim, you can.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Stay in New Orleans for the fifty or you have
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: to go to New England for a hundred, I'll be.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Right here in New Orleans jailing.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now if you say boys.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Right, if you say if you say fifty Kim at
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Cleveland or a hunt of a buffalo, I'm retired.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit you with a drunk line.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: So look, let's say you saw the future. Let's say
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: you saw the future.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all got to be New Orleans only.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Four years ago. Four years ago. Yeah, four years ago.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: They're like, look, we got two million to come to
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: come to Kansas City, and you knew that what the
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: future is gonna be. I'm talking about today nothing, but
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: you knew they win the Super they're gonna win the
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: next you know, high ready Super Bowls?
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: What you're doing, I'm staying right here in New Orleans.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Can That's what I like.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: That's a great asswer don't do it.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: But see you already playing the cold half of it,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: because I'm not playing in the cold. I've seen that, bro,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I ain't playing.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: You played my first played my first cold game bro
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: at Year twelve in Cleveland. Negative thirty and negative twenty five.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: It was some dumb stuff. It was like it was
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: like it was like three degrees, but with the windshield
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: it was like negative twenty something. When I tell you,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: it affirmed everything I've ever believed in. I was like, no,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I don't play gold. I played this game. I hated everybody.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I hated myself, like I'm not a good person in
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the cold.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, screw you, screw you.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: I was like, no better when you're losing in this cold,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: no better, boy, man, I was saying the pain. So
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: so then you talk about the next game, you talk
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: about the Lions, and you talk about who do they
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: just play?
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Lions, Niners, And it's like you just see like and
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: for for them, it was at the it was at
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: the forty nine ers, right.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: SI, Probably it was. It was in San Francisco.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: It was it was in San Francisco. Yeah, that's what
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. You know, that's San Francisco, you know what
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: So North North Bay not really San Francisco, but like
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: North Bay.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Whatever, it ain't that bad. So but you're talking about
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: like that turmoil of continuously playing. Like man, I felt
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: those Lions players like you going there and it's like, man,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: you know you work so hard. It's like you come
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: up dish short. The check ain't even worth it, check
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: and you can keep my check.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I stopped watching after halftime. I left it like it
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: was enjoying my pizza. I was like, I was like,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: all right, so this game over. I was like playing
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: with my kids doing some other stuff. No, in fact,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I think yeah. I was back by then, bro, Like
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, cool, come back. I look
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: at look up, it's the fourth quarter and it's tied up.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: I said, what yeah, it's some ducks on that and
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: some ducks on that Niner team. We got some we
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: got some ducks on the you know, shout out to Pinasu, Man,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, great player, great officer player. But you know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: the forty nine has got some of our guys too,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: so I'm happy for him.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Scow ducks and look at the last of the pack. Man,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even I don't even know
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: how to feel about that. Bro. In fact, beyond the pack,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: like I was, I think when I left, like that
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: was the last year of packed ten.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Think about that. So then it went pack twelve some
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I never claimed Colorado or Utah.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I was like, I mean we beat Utah, but you tah,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: they did beat that last time.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I mean calent horrible after I left, so like Cali right,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: real bad. And we used to we were scraping. You know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: y'all used to have some We used to have some
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: battles out out out.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: In the Eugene and Eugene.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we used to have some battles.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Deshaun Jackson going crazy my freshman year gets y'all in
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Auton back when it was like really rocking.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I mean it was right, it's still rocking, you know.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I know, Colch it's not much, but.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: It's not the same. It's not the same. It's not
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the same. I'm trying to.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Throw when I came back. Listen, when I came back,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I got I got ejected from a game.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about for y'all. I'm talking for cal.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: It's not Yeah, we used to pack seventy thousand.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It's like sixty eight thousand out like people.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: On the hills out there, roll you bro, you couldn't
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: buy them tickets.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Buzz refused to sell them to you. And I think
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: I see people. I think more people, more people. Like
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: there's a little there's a little hill right right outside
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: the stadium. I think more people sit up there on
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: that hill than.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: In the stadium, no doubt.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Oh it's bad, Like Cala.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that was that many bootleggers.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: And it's crazy with their boot legging.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And that's crazy, like things have changed. But I mean,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you know, Oregon hasn't organ so stayed the same. They
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: got all that Nike money. It was like Uncle Phil Man,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: which leads me to n I L. Though, Like what
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: what's that even hitting on? Like listen, you you one
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: of the first to really capture n I L and
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: make make you know everybody in the world jealous, you
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you had n I L.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Like what did that even feel?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Knowing like you was.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Like you wasn't phenomenally like the sickest. It was like
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: the sickest. It was the sickest thing that could have happened,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: and sick meaning great just because you know, if you
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: were equipped with the infrastructure as far as like knowledge
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: and people around you, I mean, it was dope.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So me. You know, I was able to make money
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: during the time.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: But you talk about the money they're making now compared
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: to when I was making money, it's not even close,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: not even we've.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Been saying, but you're always gonna say about the next gen,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: like that's.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Just you know, it's inflation. It is what it is,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: and it's like and that's what I think. Like even
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: the guys that didn't, you know, in the league that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Didn't, it's like, yeah, I'm sorry for them, man, they
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: had like they had to walk so we could run.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Looking at it and looking at cow guys like yeah, man,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you know, like man, like compared to all the other schools,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not making anything, like hey, I got this deal
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and I got like ten grand, ten grand, Hey boy,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you know what I was done with ten a test
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: spot and kind.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Of come on, come on.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: But see, you know, the real the real problem is
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: that there's no there's no education infrastructure. So now you're
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: giving a bunch of a bunch of young guys who.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Don't have any liabilities.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: So if I don't have any liabilities, I don't have
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: to worry about what I use my assets on as
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: far as my money, you know, So It's like when
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: you talk about you're giving guys ten thousand, twenty thousand,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: and thirty thousand. I had two cars in college. Why
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: did I have two cars in college? Because I could?
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: One was free and I paid for one. Why would
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I pay for one when I got one free? But
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: it's just like having knowledge, having understanding of what's important.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: And it's like, that's what I think is what's missing.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: You know that in that whole level or education, you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: giving guys understanding that, like you just hit for half
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: a million, you got to pay taxes on that big dog?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Who how to pay taxes on that big dog?
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: And they we don't get we don't know that, we
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: don't know. I've never paid tax I've never had a job.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: So it's like, you know when you talk about the
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: it's a it's a blessing, that a curse. And now
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: we just now that we have all of this, we
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: got to go. You know, we got to be proactive
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: about the information.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: No doubt, I would say, how how is that navigating
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that space? Do just like does college help out or
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: is it just like the wild wild West? You got
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to figure out so for how to pay tax again?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Finance organ specifically we had they created and this was
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: a year I left. They created something called Division Street,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: which is basically what we just talked about.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: It's an infrastructure for student athletes.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: To learn about an io, to learn about business and
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: basically give them resources on you know, the things they need.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Let me manage course exactly. But do your parents give
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: you a check book? Here's a checkbook? Do all schools
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: do that? No? Is it something that's regulated by the
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: n C double A?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: No?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely will it?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Will it be regulated by the nc double A when
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: they can put taxes on it, they can make the peace. Yeah,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: when they can get their tech.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: But Nuba, you find a way to get they cut
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: They tried to tell us my first year that, like
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: any deal, you get registered in this database. And I
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: raised my hand and I said, so, what's gonna happen
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: if we don't. The lady said, they're still kind of
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: figuring out what the repercussions are. I said, so, I'm
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: not gonna tell you what I'm making. Are you stupid?
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: I was like, what it makes sense? You want to
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: tell you how much money I'm bringing in? So you
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: got come on.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: There's a reason why you want this list, baby, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I can't help you. Ain't no way how I don't
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: know how much I can't.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how to read a contract.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: And then look and then when you talk about, you know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: the resources, Now, for me, I was the you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: a high draft pick. So there was already agents, we know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: an agent game. Everybody's reaching out and for me, I'm
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: getting I'm getting knowledge. I'm not going to steer away
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: these relationships.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna get everything I can.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: So when when the time came, I kind of already
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: had a plan on what I was gonna do. You know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I was already a big fan of Lebron, big fan
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: of you know, the movement of n I L. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: when it happened, it was like I was. I was
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: ready for it. Luckily, the first deal I did was
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: with Phil Knight, and it was like an n F
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: T at the time. So it was a space that
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: he didn't know and I didn't know.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: But we got.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: People exactly, we got people who were uh, he had
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: people that kind of showed me the way, and that
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: was kind of that first step.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: And then from there it was just like plug and play.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Right when your first in nail deal coming from a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: man who mastered the business plan, and what you're gonna
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: take you you gonna take five hundred grand or have
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a sitting down with Jay Z.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit down with Phil Knight.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna sit down. I'm still getting that. I
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: ain't gonna get five hundred but I'm gonna still make
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: something off of.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Man. We love we love that, all right. So what
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: was that transition, like, like from from college to the NFL.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Because pre in I L boys got to league and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: had to figure out how to have the you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the produciary responsibility of the finances to set aside and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: figure out your life or you sort of figure out
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: in college, So that sort.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Of was it was.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: It was it, you know, just neither here nor there
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: for you when you got to league. So did that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: make it easier for you the transition or because it's
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: just like money?
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: It was definitely, it was definitely easier.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I say the bad part of the only it wasn't
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: really bad, But I say the only hard part was
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: that my taste got really expensive faster than I would
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: have hoped.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't that I was a guy who's you know.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: With you.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Know, so it's not like I'm a goot to go
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: blow my money, but it's like, yo, I might as
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: well just eat the highest quality food, at the highest
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: quality restaurants, at the highest quality you know, Like it's
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: just you realize, like, man, I can, so why wouldn't I?
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: You know, And in that part you have to understand
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: the time management. You know, people don't really realize like, yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: you get paid fifty million, forty million, thirty million, but
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: you still got thirty years left to live.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: So it's like it's easy to go spend one thousand
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: dollars a day fifteen two hundred, two thousand, one hundred
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: and ten thousand dollars every two weeks. But then it's like,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: you know, that's gonna run out.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Or it's good while I'm playing, but what happens beyond
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: after I'm playing?
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I'm over there.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: So that was that was my idea.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: That's been that's been my whole thing, where it's like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: don't keep all my eggs in one basket, continue to
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: you know, be open to longevity.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Basically, no, man hey, look look I put it like
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: this my my rookie year, I probably didn't spend that thing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I paid for my car cash and was like.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: This is my money and I need it now, Like
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much long I'm gonna play. But
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: after that, my second year, I was like, oh, I
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: got to diversify the portfolio. I need I need a
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: rental property, I need this, I need this, I need this.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: After my fifty year, I was like, bro, I just
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: want to focus on football.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And then I was like I like somewhere around like
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that fifty or six year, I was like, all right,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: some moves I've made, Like you know, the first off season,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I go to Vegas and you have a Vegas weekend
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the professional way, you know what I'm saying.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Like living, living, living or lavishly.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: After your first one, you start thinking like, yeah, I
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: don't know how many more times I can.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Go to Vegas.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing again. Hey look, I was thinking about
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the super Bowl being in Vegas. I'm like, yeah, I
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: got one day. They getting six hours out of me.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going I'm make sure my mama come with me.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Literally, I be like this.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like I'd be running things off, you know, off
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the fam. I'm like, hey, like hey, bro, how much
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you make a year and he was like, hey, would
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you do this? And he was like, hey, that's crazy.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: If I hear like a hype response from him. Yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: like I use.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Other people to ground me.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, hey, mom, like, oh yeah, I
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: was thinking about you know, like my secondar in the league.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm thinking about this Audi R eight.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: She's like, I don't even know what. I was like,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Mama's one hundred eighty one hundred. I said, cool, okay,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: bring me back to life. Bring me back to life.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: You know, like you gotta have some some some sort
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: of browning situation. Yeah, because you can get into a
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: locker room and you know, keeping up with the Joneses,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: keeping up with the Joneses. When you know your boy
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: rolled in with the with the whatever that keys by
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: what big big coming in. You're like, I had the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: same tie for eleven years and every year I'll be like, bro,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: like I'm two models behind.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I should I should go ahead? And that at some
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: point where you're like why, I.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Rolle like what what iPhone do you have? Right now?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I have no clue what iPhone I have?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Fourteen fourteen, but it's got a crack in it, so
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the fifteen is probably happening.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna happen.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: But like once you get it, it's just like we
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: we upgrade because we can. But then it's like, you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: you get to a point where it's like, man, oh
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: this is the same thing.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Until until the phone starts slowing down on me. I'm
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: used to rocket for my rule is like every two
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: or three years, so like yeah, two or three yeah,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: but I got a crack in it, so like it's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: gonna have to.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: It's sad because look, if you ask Cam ten years ago,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: his phone had a crack in and he was taking
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: it down to the place on the corner getting it
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: fixed by one.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Of the one of the places for sixty bucks.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Now he just get a whole phone up.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Ain't you done?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Changed up?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Can changed up?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: You?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Boo?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Hey boom, there's some there's some things in life you
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: don't fight. Come on, I feel like I feel like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that one. Hey, traveling. Traveling is that one thing for me.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Like I may be tight, I mean be a tight wad,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and a lot of places in my life we travel.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm here to sleep, the best, eat, the best marshal,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the best commercial I've ever seen was why save during
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: your travel when you can save on your travel.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I would ever want to be
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: that guy that have to save during the travel.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: It was a great commercial. I was a great commercial.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Was there is there any place that you've traveled so
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: far that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: You like, dang man, I've done kind of my first year,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I did like a world tour. So I did uh
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Dominican Republic first I did, and then I went to
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: where I go, Jamaica. Then I went to Africa. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: went to South Africa. Then I went to Hawaii, then
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I went to Uhos.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I went to Botswana. It's the city I went to.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: I flew into Johannesburg and then like we drove about
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: five hours to a small country probably only hold like
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I think a million people.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: It was called Botswana.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Though, and we drove through they say the caves or
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: the mountains where the first remains of humans were found,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: so literally like civilization. Yeah, the first people walked the earth.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: We kind of drove past. So that was pretty dope.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Uh. And then this year I'm going to Spain, going
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: to trying to put something together.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Nigeria.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I just did my DNA test found out I was Nigerian.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna try to go out there and uh
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: and go get some knowledge and some you know history Spain. Yes, San,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: go to Barcelona. Yeah, I'm going to Barcelona. Then go
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: down to Uh.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Uh, I'm gonna go to I'm flying to Paris, go
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: to Barcelona, stay in Paris for a couple of days,
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: go to Barcelona and then uh. There's another place called
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: something would end, but it's an island, Mosique Modico.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: There's a few of them. I'm gonna just simply say
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: add in San.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Sebastian, San Sebastian, it's.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Right there by if you find in the France first right,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: it's right there. It's a connection area of France and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Spain on the what the Poconos, Poconese whatever mountains.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: My geography is the worst. It's it's Basque country.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: But it's one of the most beautiful spots that I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: think I've seen it eight Like think think of a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: fire city that meets like beach and whatever it is,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: it is beautiful. Seastian, Bill Bao, San Sebastian. You gotta
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: go to a soccer game.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: It's this.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta go check you gotta check it out. Anyways,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it's funny just to hear you talking. Like I've seen
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: you talk before, you know, pre draft whatever that was
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: going through. But it's like you talk well beyond your years, bro,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and even this year, it seems like you've become so
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: sort of like a vocal leader even as a young kid.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Then I say kid, because you know, second year you
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: got to ten years, you.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Got thirteen two.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, bro, that's that sort of happened for me.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Bro, Like my second third year of the league, all
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the old heads got sort of pushed out, went to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: another team, got paid whatever it was. I looked around
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and I was like, from a rookie to event, like
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: was my life? You know what I'm saying, Like, eh
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: like that. So you know you talk about you just
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: being like a vocal leader early on this stage? Is it?
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: The is it the factors that contribute to that is
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: like your willingness to be that, to step into it,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: because I mean you you still had up until halfway
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: through the season, you had Little Williams. Yeah, you got
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Sexy Dexi over there. You know, you got some old heads.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: But it seems like the more you talk, the more
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you amped up. Came that spark for your defense.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So you know, I.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Would say, first, you know, when it talks about leadership
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: is position first based off of quarterback, running back, middle, linebacker, safety,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: guys who you know kind of are the focal points
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: of the defense or of the offense. So that's kind
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: of the initial leadership role. And then Dexter Lawrence obviously
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: who's the biggest guy you know in the room, right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: It makes no you know when a guy.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: But then it comes to play right, And I think
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: that's the big component that you learn once you start
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: to you get into the league that it's all about
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: how much you contribute on the field and if you're
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: able to contribute on the field. So even my first year,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: like you know, you want to lead guys, but if
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: you ain't making plays anybody listening, that's the truth behind it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: So then once you know, the second year comes and
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: now it's like, okay, I'm more of an instrument in
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: the defense. You know, a couple guys leave, a couple
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: guys get traded, and now it's like there are voids
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: that have to be filled.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: In a team chemistry standpoint.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: You know, that's when you have to make that decision
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: where you know are you going to be that guy.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: To step in?
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: You know, And it's tough because people think leadership is
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: something that you can choose. You know, it's not really
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: something you choose. It's something that your teammates kind of
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: kind of revere you as you know. So for me,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: I would say that it was just learning how to
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: be a leader. You know, you think you know how
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: to lead until it's time to lead, right, and you
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: think you have everything figured out or you think you
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: know what you're doing until you get in adverse situations.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: So for me man first year, you know, I think
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: it was just understanding the landscape, understanding where I fit in,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: understand it, you know people. And then second year it
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: was okay, how can I help my teammates be their
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: best selves?
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: So you know, before every game, I'm asking Bobby, you know,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: my at the linebacker, I'm like, what do you need
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: for me.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: For you to play your best? What?
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: What parts do you think I can support your vision,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: you know, as a leader of the team and be
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: a support on the.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Same bobbys last night because I've never tried but there yeah, okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Exactly that was a good and I never heard. Okay, Okay,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: that's a good I like that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to take that back to it. Yeah, Oka.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: But he's he's definitely a true leader.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: And I think you know, when it comes to leadership,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: you have to kind of emulate certain people. So I'm
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: very blessed to have a true leader, natural leader that
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: I can you know, emulate as far as off the field,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: as far as taking care of your body, as far
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: as watching film and things like that to you know,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: continue to be a vessel for other teammates, younger teammates
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: coming in and things like that.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: In fact, man, like I said, I love I love
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: to see the growth.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm looking forward to your your what are you.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Looking forward to it?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: And your three?
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Man? Honestly, I'm just I'm chasing these sacks.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: You know, you know how that you know how that moment,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: but you know how that feel to be to be
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: in the hunt. You know, it's it's it's a great
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: feeling because it's all is a new challenge. But that's
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: where I'm at. You know, obviously it's going in my
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: third year. Third years year for renegotiations. If you're one
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: of those guys, right if you're one of the ones.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: So for me, you know, Michael Strahan said one great
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: thing to me. Seriously, he said one great to me.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Think to me when I got in the lead, he said,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: you know, it's easy to be one of the eleven
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: guys on the field, but you want to be the
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: one out of the eleven.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And that's that that's that difference. So that's kind of
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: what I'm working on this year.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Shout out Mike, Come on, Mike, Mike, friend that money.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Man, Mike straighthean definitely he's a girl up watching that man.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, I want to be like him.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: And then I realized I was like, man, I'm too
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: eighty five.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: This is even so, this is even surreal because I
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: was looking at you like that. Now we're sitting here
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: on the podcast, were sitting here in the league together,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: and it's though, for real, it's amazing.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I remember you were talking about it was one.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: It was really you and von Miller are two guys
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: that I've always looked at, just on a vocal standpoint
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: of people who you know are going to give their
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: tips in pass rush. But you talk about you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: I think you said something where you like if you
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: do it. If you go fast with bad technique, you're okay.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: If you go fast with good technique, you're doing great.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: But if you go slow with bad technique, you're.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Gonna be on the bench somewhere.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: You said something like that, and that stuck with me
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Like that, that stuck with me. That was something that
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: that I've taken.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: And then you know, obviously there are gems that other,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: you know, guys like you have been dropping, and it's
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: just up to the younger guys to keep you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: using those gems and implement them into your game.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm trying to tell you.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Look, I learned I learned that one early earlier, the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: young thing, because my rookie year I was out there like,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: all right, well I got to play the run. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: gotta have this technique. But if you move slow, even
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: if it's the right answer.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: You're wrong, don't matter, you're wrong.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: But if you move fast and you'd be like you
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: it's a b and you missed the wrong one, you
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: can still be in the right spot.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: And you think about a guy like you think about
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: a guy like Max Crosby, and you know he's a
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: guy who right now is the epitome of you just
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: do it hard, do it fast. Everything's gonna work out.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: He has This is no knock to him. He has
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: one move.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: That swipe is the most danger it's move I've ever
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: seen a human.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Dude, He's got to counterspin too.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: His his swipe is stupid. But understand how many guys
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: are gonna keep getting got with the swipe. How many
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: guys are gonna keep getting got with the long arm,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: how many guys gonna keep getting got with a swim. Look,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: when you perfect your craft, it doesn't matter about them.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I said this early, and often, an office a lineman
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: is just office a lineman. I'm now rushing against the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: quarterback because I needn't know how fast he's releasing the ball,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: because off's a lineman.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Their cattle. There's gonna be strong. There's gonna be strong ones.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: But whatever, I never swiped till I saw Max Crosby
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: get like thirteen sacks off all swipes. Then I was like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: you know what, I was like something I need to
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: figure out. I gotta figure it out. And then he
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: just plays hard.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Man. When you play hard and you play every snap, dude,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: you reap the benefits of it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I was hoping you're gonna say, hey, I'm evolving to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a killer run stopper.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: But you know what, I get it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Look, age, that's the no, no, no, see, don't overlook
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: the run. That is the difference to me between a
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: lot of past rushers out there. Uh and let's say
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: four down football players. I told myself when I came
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: into Sleep, I'm be a four down guy. I'm not
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, not the strongest guy,
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: but I'm going to be trustworthy on first down all
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: the way to fourth.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: So when you talk about run stopping, you talk about
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: things like that, like that's you can't even rush the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: passer unless you set in edge.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: You got to I'm like, hey, I'll be waiting for
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: the move on my way. In fact, y'all think I was.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I think I was damaged by then the whole high
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: echo Anloyd goes like, all I could do is stop
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the run.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Look, the cold the coldest thing is when you see
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: guys like and to me, I I came out of
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: a system in college where it was like there was
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: no jumping around blocks to make a play right, And
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: it's like when you're in the league, though, it's like,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: you know, you almost get frustrated a little bit because
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: it's like, yo, all these guys are making these tackle
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: for losses and are jumping around blocks and I've a
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: gap and here you are, like but and it's like me,
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: you will, you take it, you make it. And it's
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: like you start to realize that when you are a
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: guy who has the instinct and you have the trust
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: within your coaches, it's like, you gotta go play big
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: and make big plays. And you know, I always think
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: of a guy like TJ Watts.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: TJ.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Watch go to the casino one time.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: You go, you TJ Y get twenty sacks and he's
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: gonna get ten tackles for losses because he gonna jump them.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: He gonna take it, he gonna he gonna play his game.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And it's amazing.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: He knows his body type and he's like, look, what
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not here gonna do is is set the edge
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: every time against somebody who outweiys me by eighty to
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: ninety pounds. But what I can do is give you
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: all this movement. Oh, I can shoot up the field.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Oh and now now you're nervous, and now I'm underneath
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and he also has got huge interior d linemen like
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: across the board.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: But you know, but shoot, I appreciate you, bro. I'm
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: gonna wrap this up real quick.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Bro. I appreciate you tapping in with with me on
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: my podcast Off the Edge. Bro.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I see nothing but great things going for you.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: So you know, if you had eleven sacks this year,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: But I try and tell people, don't worry about the sacks.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Worry about your process, because the sacks.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Are gonna come.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, you already built the process, so just keep
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: on believing and keep on striving for greatness.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for having us. I appreciate you, bro.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: So there you have it. It's a wrap. I just
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: want to say a huge thank you.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: To all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. But
• 40:21
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