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Yankees checkup: Quiet offseason, Potential Skubal trade, Judge’s prime clock ticking, Hal’s profits · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Here he is. We're back at it. Derek Lewandowski, star
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Speaker 1: of Pinstripe Territory. You can check them out all off
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Speaker 1: season long, and then of course during the season after
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Speaker 1: every single Yankees game. Well, Derek, I know you jump
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Speaker 1: on as quickly as possible when the Yankees make a move.
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Speaker 1: So how's life not having to scramble to the studio?
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Speaker 2: So far?
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Speaker 3: It's been kind of a low key winter. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I'd much rather have an active off season. But there's
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Speaker 3: sort of a little bit of fun in the tension too.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of that, you know, will they won't they
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Speaker 3: in a lot of different areas, and it's one of
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Speaker 3: those off seasons where the path isn't real clear. You know,
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Speaker 3: when they wanted to get Jan Soto, right, that was
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Speaker 3: all anybody was talking about. Well, they go out and
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Speaker 3: get Sodo.
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Speaker 2: He's the perfect fit.
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Speaker 3: You know. Last year it was a lot of will
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Speaker 3: they get you know, Cody Bellinger? The the plan usually
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Speaker 3: is a lot more clear than it is this off season.
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Speaker 3: But the fact that Trent Grisham has come back and
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Speaker 3: except that qualifying offer, it complicates things, right because now
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Speaker 3: if you sign Bellinger or if you sign Tucker not
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Speaker 3: only are you two left handed, but you put a
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Speaker 3: big boulder right in front of both Jason Dominguez and
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Speaker 3: Spencer Jones, one of their top prospects. I believe Brian
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Speaker 3: Cashman when he says he's searching for pitching and a
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Speaker 3: right handed bat. A lot of times fans don't think
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Speaker 3: that Cashman is very forthcoming, But if you listen to
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Speaker 3: him and the tea leaves he drops a lot of
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Speaker 3: times he will tell you exactly what the Yankees are
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Speaker 3: looking for. And I think he wants to get more
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Speaker 3: right handed and I think he knows that the only
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Speaker 3: way you win in baseball is by having good starting pitching.
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Speaker 3: Yankees are a little bit hamstrung in terms of their
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Speaker 3: pitching to open the season. I could see him trying
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Speaker 3: to reinforce the rotation, maybe get a bullpen arm or two,
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Speaker 3: and maybe a couple of unexciting right handed bats that
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Speaker 3: will actually make the Yankees more complete roster than they
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Speaker 3: are right now.
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Speaker 2: All right, I guess we're done then, D Like, you
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Speaker 2: already went through everything and the Yankees haven't done anything.
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Speaker 2: So what else can we talk about today? Now? I
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Speaker 2: want to talk about that first. I want to talk
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Speaker 2: about the right handed options, because I think that's the
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Speaker 2: most boring discussion for the Yankees unless it's not unless
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Speaker 2: it's did they just miss on the pee Alonso? Had
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Speaker 2: it happened later on, would that have been the fit
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Speaker 2: last year's right handed options that they acquired Paul Goldschmidt,
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Speaker 2: Jose Cabairo like is is the right handed market too
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Speaker 2: thin for the Yankees to go and get anybody that's
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Speaker 2: legitimately gonna fit? And people will be like, what about
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Speaker 2: Alex Bregman? You know, hal Steinbrenner doesn't go after a
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Speaker 2: Bregman and and a Tucker and a Bell And you're like,
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Speaker 2: Cashman is at the position where he's at. He's missed
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Speaker 2: one playoffs in his entire career as at GM because
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Speaker 2: he doesn't necessarily listen to all the rigamarow around you
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Speaker 2: Yankees fans. So where's that right handed option? If if
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Speaker 2: the tea leave that he dropped is true, they need
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Speaker 2: to get a little bit more right handed.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's missed more than one playoff in his career,
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Speaker 3: so correct you There just a slight corrections to the
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Speaker 3: record there. But I think there's a couple of names
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Speaker 3: that are kind of floating under the radar that people
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Speaker 3: might want to think about. First of all, a Miguel
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Speaker 3: and Duhar reunion could be interesting. I mean, he mashed
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Speaker 3: against lefties last year. You've got a left fielder right
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Speaker 3: now in Dominguez who cannot hit left handed pitching just
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Speaker 3: can't do it. We'll see how it works out. He's
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Speaker 3: playing winter ball, but you know, maybe a platoon situation there.
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Speaker 3: I could see him bringing back Amed Rosario. I was
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Speaker 3: thinking about Josh Young from the Rangers. You know, he
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Speaker 3: could be a platoon option at third base with Ryan McMahon.
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Speaker 3: Not a lot of like big name, twenty million dollar guys.
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Speaker 3: But if you read the tea leaves, it kind of
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Speaker 3: sounds like they want to follow the Blue Jays model,
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Speaker 3: which is, you know, not necessarily outspend everybody, but fill
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Speaker 3: in the roster with you know, practical ballplayers to supplement
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Speaker 3: your stars. And I could see them just bringing in
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Speaker 3: kind of these role player guys, platoon type guys, maybe
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Speaker 3: getting a few pieces that don't necessarily push the payroll
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Speaker 3: too high, and then spending the big dollars on pitching
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Speaker 3: where I know he will spend it. You know, if
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Speaker 3: you look at the major contracts, he's given out in
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Speaker 3: the last few years. You know, it's it's Carlos Rodon,
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Speaker 3: Max Freed, you know, Garrett Cole twice. It's it's it's
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Speaker 3: pitching that he wants to spend on. So I think
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Speaker 3: that he will try and supplement with role player types
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Speaker 3: in terms of the right handed bats.
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Speaker 2: So right handed bats boring. I need bigger names. Tattis,
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Speaker 2: give me tattoos. Tattoos. There's there's your big name. He
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Speaker 2: just they just came Peler just came out and said
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Speaker 2: he's untouchable. So that's not gonna happen to Miguel Andrew. Horror.
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Speaker 2: You already ran him out of this city. He's not
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Speaker 2: coming back. There's no way. Well he didn't.
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Speaker 3: He didn't seem happy about his lack of playing time
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Speaker 3: towards the end of his Yankees tenure. But I always
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Speaker 3: liked him as a player. I know he's a fan favorite.
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Speaker 3: I call him Migey two bags because he hits a
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Speaker 3: lot of doubles. I just love those guys who just
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Speaker 3: rake doubles, keeps action on the bases, He's always smiling,
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Speaker 3: like I always felt like he was a good guy
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Speaker 3: for the clubhouse, and obviously I'm not in the clubhouse,
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Speaker 3: I can't tell, but he seemed like a good chemistry guy.
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Speaker 3: In fact, does Yankees need more damage against lefties? And
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Speaker 3: he is somebody that hits lefties, And I think that
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Speaker 3: for the right price and an opportunity to, you know,
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Speaker 3: get to bats on a winning team, he would consider
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Speaker 3: coming back.
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Speaker 4: Blue Jays took care of business last year. As we know,
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Speaker 4: you see the roster construction of what they're doing and
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Speaker 4: what the Yankees are doing. How is the Yankees gonna
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Speaker 4: get to be those dogs again on top of the
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Speaker 4: Al East because this Blue Jay team doesn't seem like
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Speaker 4: they're stopping.
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Speaker 2: Blue Jays are good. Todd.
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Speaker 3: There was a lot of Yankees fans that called in
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Speaker 3: or watched my show right after the series and they
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Speaker 3: were ticked at the Yankees, And I was like, you
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Speaker 3: know what, the Blue Jays they just they just beat us, right,
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Speaker 3: They just they just completely kicked our butt. And it
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Speaker 3: wasn't one of those situations where the Yankees beat themselves
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Speaker 3: like in the World Series last year. I still contend
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Speaker 3: if the Yanks had played better, they had a chance
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Speaker 3: to win that series. But I mean, the Jay's just
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Speaker 3: dominated and it's clear they're not going away, like you said,
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Speaker 3: Will they bring back Bobashett? You know, could the Yankees
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Speaker 3: maybe swoop in and steal their best contact hitter. That's
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Speaker 3: something I would love to see. I've been a big
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Speaker 3: Bobashett fan. I No, defensively, he's not the greatest, but
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Speaker 3: he would give you a leadoff hit or a contact guy,
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Speaker 3: another right handed bat, another infielder. You know, It'll be
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Speaker 3: interesting to see if Volpi is actually able to come
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Speaker 3: back from this injury at full strength. I know that
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Speaker 3: he missed well. He wasn't as strong last year as
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Speaker 3: they had hoped, and they said after the season that
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Speaker 3: the injury was worse than they had thought, which makes
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Speaker 3: you wonder if, like the surgery to repair it will
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Speaker 3: hold him back more than was anticipated. Right, So I
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Speaker 3: think that, you know, if you're not able to get
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Speaker 3: guarantee that Volpi's gonna solidify that shortstop spot and do damage,
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Speaker 3: you gotta look at other options. And Boba Schet's sitting
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Speaker 3: out there for the taking.
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Speaker 4: I feel like that's gonna be a hard one though,
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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, getting him to come there.
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Speaker 4: They got Cabrera, they got cay Baliro again, not the
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Speaker 4: sexiest and things that we want to hear, but they
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Speaker 4: can play. My next question to you is, though, can
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Speaker 4: you I mean do mingas Spencer Jones. These are two
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Speaker 4: really good prospects, and Dominga has been up there for
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Speaker 4: Can you see a trade for enter one of these guys?
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Speaker 4: I mean, dare I say Trek Scuobel with a couple
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Speaker 4: other prospects to get him over to the Yankees.
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Speaker 3: I could see it. I mean I never say never
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Speaker 3: with Brian Cashman because I remember one February day, Alex
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Speaker 3: Rodriguez was having a press conference holding up the Yankees
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Speaker 3: jersey with number thirteen on it, and I never thought
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Speaker 3: I would see that, And so since that day, I
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Speaker 3: don't rule out anything. But you know, Schooble's one of
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Speaker 3: these guys who can push you over the top in
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Speaker 3: terms of a rotation. I mean, in the lefties, you
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Speaker 3: run out there, win healthy Max Freed, three Scooble, Carlos
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Speaker 3: Rodon and then righty's Garrett Cole coming back. Hopefully he'll
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Speaker 3: be at full strength by the end of the season.
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Speaker 3: I'm anticipating that he'll be hitting mid season for him,
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Speaker 3: right around the time the Yankees are getting into the
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Speaker 3: Pennant race, you know, and then Cam Schlittler. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I mean, you guys saw what Cam Schlittler did in
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Speaker 3: the postseason. The sky is the limit for this guy.
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Speaker 3: I think that's five horses that win you the division.
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Speaker 3: But I still think you do need a right handed
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Speaker 3: bat or two to go with it, and you need
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Speaker 3: some bullpen help. But Schooble's definitely somebody who would get
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Speaker 3: Yankees fans excited. The issue there is that you got
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Speaker 3: to re sign him. You know. It's the same issue
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Speaker 3: that you had with Juan Soto. You make a trade,
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Speaker 3: you acquire an impact player, and then he becomes a
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Speaker 3: free agent and you lose the guys that you traded
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Speaker 3: for him, right, I mean, Michael King, we lost him
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Speaker 3: for a year, right. There was some other pitching depth
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Speaker 3: pieces that we could definitely have used and they're gone now.
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Speaker 3: And we only had Soto for one year. So if
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Speaker 3: you trade for school, but you're definitely putting yourself in
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Speaker 3: a tough spot in terms of death.
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Speaker 2: November twelfth today, I'm sorry, December twelfth only off, my
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Speaker 2: only off by a month, But it's almost Christmas. Are
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Speaker 2: the Yankees the third best team? In the American League
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Speaker 2: East today where we sit with where the rest of
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Speaker 2: the East has made their moves.
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Speaker 3: I think so, and I think they were before the
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Speaker 3: other moves were made. I mean, I'm counting on a
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Speaker 3: healthy Red Sox team with Roman Anthony being better than
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Speaker 3: the Yankees. I mean, they they would have beaten the Yankees,
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Speaker 3: I think in that series if they had Roman Anthony.
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Speaker 3: And you know, they've added Sonny Gray, who hates the
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Speaker 3: Yankees and always seems to pitch well against the Yankees.
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Speaker 3: So you know, the Blue Jays are going to be aggressive.
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Speaker 3: We'll see if they bring back Bashett, but assuming they do,
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Speaker 3: they're going to be strong again. I think Brian Cashman
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Speaker 3: knows right now that this team has a chance to
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Speaker 3: get to the playoffs, but they've got to really sort
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Speaker 3: of steer the ship in a little bit better direction
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Speaker 3: if they want to win the division next year. Right now,
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Speaker 3: right now, they're a wild card team, you know, and
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Speaker 3: you don't want to be in that position again. So there,
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Speaker 3: like he said, there's still a lot of offseason left
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Speaker 3: to make things happen, but we're gonna like to see
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Speaker 3: a little bit more aggression here coming forward.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, the Yankees will be the Yankees forever. But this
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Speaker 2: is the Aaron Judge era. The Aaron Judge era has
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Speaker 2: essentially five more seasons. Whether you think he's gonna age out, whatever,
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Speaker 2: that's not the discussion right now. Is this really a
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Speaker 2: big make or break off season for the sense that
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Speaker 2: when you look at like Pete a Lonzo's contract is
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Speaker 2: five years. When you start looking at like Dylan Ceez
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Speaker 2: pitcher position player, his is seven years. This offseason, you're
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Speaker 2: signing guys that are going to need to win. With
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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge and the way you're talking right now, you
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Speaker 2: want to make the playoffs, Like, yeah, you want to
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Speaker 2: make the playoffs. And I don't think that's the that's
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Speaker 2: the essence of having a Monument Park player on your
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Speaker 2: team that you want to make the playoffs. No, you
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Speaker 2: want to dominate and you want to create these next
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Speaker 2: five years of dominance. And I think it comes down
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Speaker 2: it shouldn't come down to a Cody Bellinger in this case.
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Speaker 3: No, I agree with you one hundred percent. As Yankees fans,
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Speaker 3: we want to win every year and we think that
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Speaker 3: if you don't win the World Series, it feels like
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Speaker 3: a failure because we've been trained to think that, but
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Speaker 3: it's clear that with hal Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman in
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Speaker 3: recent years, the plan seems to be get to the postseason,
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Speaker 3: have a healthy pitching staff if you can, and try
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Speaker 3: and win that way. Whether or not that's gonna work,
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I agree with you one hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: You got to maximize the Aaron Judge years. And whether
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Speaker 3: it's five years, whether it's whether it's three years of
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Speaker 3: his prime. I still think he's got at least a
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Speaker 3: few good years left in him of I mean, even
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Speaker 3: if he drops off ten fifteen percent a year, he's
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Speaker 3: still elite for a few years. It's just how long
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Speaker 3: is he going to stay healthy?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: I Mean there's questions, There's always been questions about how
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Speaker 3: that big body will age. I think in a couple
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Speaker 3: of years, John Carlos Stanton is off the payroll, Judge
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Speaker 3: can shift over to DH and kind of become that,
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Speaker 3: you know, DH late into his thirties hopefully and continue
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Speaker 3: to match. But yeah, we want to see him riding down,
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Speaker 3: you know, afloat on the you know, canyon of Heroes,
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Speaker 3: holding up the trophy. We want to see that. We
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Speaker 3: need that, and right now, it feels like the Yanks
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Speaker 3: are trying to give themselves a chance at that rather
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Speaker 3: than let's go out and make it happen.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: You don't look at them like he used to and
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Speaker 1: say a best roster on paper, easy, right? You know
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Speaker 1: they'll have to get upset. That's definitely not It's just, hey,
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Speaker 1: they're in the mix. They're in the mix every year,
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Speaker 1: they're in the playoff mix. I got two free you.
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Speaker 1: But first off, who's the shortstop for the Yankees next year?
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Speaker 1: I know you mentioned Volpi, but he's had two years
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Speaker 1: that I don't think are championship level, and now he's
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Speaker 1: coming off shoulder surgery. Cue the excuses when he's struggling,
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Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily his fault. But guy's coming off
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Speaker 1: shoulder surgery. Usually it doesn't look good. Matt McLean Actually
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Speaker 1: there's an example. I don't know if they were different
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Speaker 1: shoulder surgery. It just came to me just now. But
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Speaker 1: he was a shell of himself this past season for
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Speaker 1: the Reds. I don't think he has the leash to
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Speaker 1: go through another season where he's not good enough.
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Speaker 2: Yah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So he was already getting replaced in games by
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Speaker 3: cabal Row late in the season. So I think right now,
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Speaker 3: if the season started tomorrow, cabbal Aro is your shortstop.
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Speaker 3: Problem is we're one pulled hamstring away from having no shortstop.
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Speaker 3: Right if caw By Arrow goes down, I mean, who's
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Speaker 3: your backup? Oswaldo Cabrera's coming back from a broken ankle,
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Speaker 3: Can he play shortstop? I don't know, I don't. I mean,
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Speaker 3: and we got a cat in the background making a appearance.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be really awkward if he takes a dump
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Speaker 3: right there.
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Speaker 2: But I.
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Speaker 3: Feel like, I feel like if when Volpi comes back,
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Speaker 3: the job is his and he's gonna have about six weeks, right,
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Speaker 3: and if he comes back in May, by mid June,
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Speaker 3: if he's hitting one eighty one ninety and the power
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Speaker 3: isn't there, I think you got to look at you know,
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Speaker 3: making a deal or or you know, uh trade, some
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Speaker 3: kind of a big trade, deadline acquisition. We have seen
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Speaker 3: Corey Seeger's name kind of in the rumors, and we
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Speaker 3: know that Texas is kind of breaking it down. But again,
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Speaker 3: that doesn't solve your left handed, you know, being too
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Speaker 3: left handed problem. So I don't buy that necessarily unless
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Speaker 3: there was some kind of a deal in which they
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Speaker 3: were also willing to give Josh Young, maybe take back
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Speaker 3: a you know, Ryan McMahon, that type of thing. Like
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Speaker 3: one thing that Cashman will do is surprise you with
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Speaker 3: some creative, kind of blockbuster trades. They're not always good,
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Speaker 3: you know, Donaldson taking him on to get Isaiah Kinder
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Speaker 3: Fileffo was not really the smartest move. They were banking
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Speaker 3: on ikf being a great shortstop that didn't have happen,
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Speaker 3: uh you know, but you know there was the Jesus Montero,
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Speaker 3: the late Hazus Montero for for uh, for Michael Pinada
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Speaker 3: one year that came out of nowhere. So he will
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Speaker 3: surprise you with some some random trades, So don't be
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Speaker 3: shocked if he goes out there and gets a shortstop.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that Cashman talked about at the
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Speaker 2: winter meetings was the fact that they feel good about
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Speaker 2: their bullpen with Bednar, the pickups that they made. You know,
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Speaker 2: they kind of made their bullpen moves during the trade
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Speaker 2: deadline and Camilla Duvall. Are they still short because they
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Speaker 2: got they didn't get. They didn't bring back Devin Williams,
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Speaker 2: they didn't bring back Luke Weaver yet. I think maybe
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Speaker 2: there's a possibility of a reunion there, but where is
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Speaker 2: that bullpen? Obviously we know where it's at currently, But
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Speaker 2: can they not dip into the deep market because now
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Speaker 2: the market the top guys are gone Suarez, Devin Williams
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Speaker 2: and and Edwin Diaz. So are they going to dip
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Speaker 2: into the next level of deep market in there or
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Speaker 2: do they have their two pieces and they're just gonna
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Speaker 2: fill in Well.
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Speaker 3: I think that there's some interest in Trevor McGill from
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Speaker 3: the Brewers, hard throwing righty, if you believe Ken Rosenthal
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Speaker 3: and Will Salmon, which I do. The Yankees are also
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Speaker 3: in on Freddy Peralta. This is another one of those
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Speaker 3: areas where I could see kind of getting multiple birds
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Speaker 3: with one stone kind of situation, trying to get Peralta
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Speaker 3: and McGill and then maybe some of those pieces you
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Speaker 3: mentioned earlier going back in a trade. Look, Milwaukee's scouting
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Speaker 3: is so good I would expect any deal that we
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Speaker 3: make with them for them to rake the Yankees over
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Speaker 3: the coals in terms of prospects. But the Yankies also
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Speaker 3: have some really good young arms that are, you know,
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Speaker 3: starting pitchers in the minor leagues. But that are power arms.
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Speaker 3: You know Elmer Cruz, you know Ben Hess, Bryce Cunningham.
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Speaker 3: We have seen them use starting pitchers as relievers in
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Speaker 3: the major leagues before, and they say, there's, you know,
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Speaker 3: no such thing as a relief pitching prospect. A lot
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Speaker 3: of times it's failed starting pitchers, and these guys aren't
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Speaker 3: necessarily failed, but they're they're guys who could solve a
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Speaker 3: problem cheaply with ninety eight on our fastballs and maybe
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Speaker 3: one good off speed pitch. So I think there's a
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Speaker 3: chance the Yankees might try and build internally with their bullpen.
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Speaker 3: They might look at guys who are cast offs. I
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Speaker 3: don't see him going out and spending big on a
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Speaker 3: relief pitcher, but I could see them if they make
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Speaker 3: a deal getting McGill.
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Speaker 2: All right, If McGill is the guy, and you're talking
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Speaker 2: about a team coming from a team that produces closers,
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Speaker 2: that's just what they do. From a hater to Devin Williams,
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Speaker 2: the McGill they get value for him. It's also a
17:31
Speaker 2: team that wants to win. I know he's your guy,
17:35
Speaker 2: but do you give up Ben Rice for McGill? Straight up, No,
17:39
Speaker 2: I don't think I would make that deal. I think
17:41
Speaker 2: Ben Rice is your starting first baseman next year. The
17:44
Speaker 2: metrics are really gone, and if he learns how to
17:46
Speaker 2: hit left, he is a little bit better. I mean,
17:48
Speaker 2: this is an all star. The Yankees kind of view
17:50
Speaker 2: him as a Kyle Schwarber type of hitter, like a
17:52
Speaker 2: guy who could eventually hit forty plus home runs a year,
17:56
Speaker 2: and I agree with him. And as a lefty and
17:58
Speaker 2: Yankee stadium, he's just too dangerous. I think I would
18:02
Speaker 2: rather see them go with some kind of other creative
18:05
Speaker 2: move and fill out the bullpen rather than having it
18:08
Speaker 2: to deal Ben Rice. I just don't think that that's
18:10
Speaker 2: a move.
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Speaker 3: And when you're talking about Miguel is a guy who
18:13
Speaker 3: has had a flex restrain, which a lot of times
18:17
Speaker 3: can indicate, you know, stress on the elbow, which maybe
18:19
Speaker 3: is a precursor to Tommy John. Just anecdotally, I'd be
18:23
Speaker 3: worried about trading a reliable, up and coming power lefty
18:27
Speaker 3: bat for a guy who you know throws one hundred
18:31
Speaker 3: and two but could get hurt at any point.
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Speaker 2: All Right, I set you up for that one because
18:35
Speaker 2: I knew you would say Ben Rice, no, just like
18:37
Speaker 2: you would have said Jason Dominguez, a few years ago. No,
18:40
Speaker 2: you can never touch my Jason. Yeah, Spencer Jones. Then
18:43
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's the one guy you hear
18:45
Speaker 2: he's untouchable. He's running out of time in the minor leagues.
18:49
Speaker 2: Is it Spencer Jones? Straight up? Because that's a big
18:52
Speaker 2: league player. It's a big league hitter. Of the adjustments
18:54
Speaker 2: he's made that the Milwaukee Brewers will say, here you go,
18:58
Speaker 2: good luck, here's six hundred got bets. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, I had Josh Norris from Baseball America on my
19:03
Speaker 3: show about a week ago, and he was not very
19:05
Speaker 3: high on Spencer Jones and rated him at the bottom
19:09
Speaker 3: of the twenty eighty scale in terms of his hit tool.
19:11
Speaker 3: He rated him a twenty And so you know, if
19:15
Speaker 3: you believe that, yeah, I would. I would move Spencer Jones.
19:18
Speaker 3: I mean, you're looking at like high thirty strikeout rate
19:21
Speaker 3: in the minor leagues. You guys know as well as
19:22
Speaker 3: I do, that strikeout rate doesn't typically go down when
19:24
Speaker 3: you go from the major from the miners to the majors.
19:27
Speaker 3: I know he's got power. I know he's been compared
19:29
Speaker 3: to a left handed Aaron Judge. I've always said that
19:31
Speaker 3: that's unfair but you know, I would have no problem
19:36
Speaker 3: moving Spencer Jones if it meant improving the big league club.
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Speaker 1: Derek last one, And I know you touched on this
19:42
Speaker 1: on an episode a couple of weeks ago, but just
19:44
Speaker 1: for our audience to give them a taste of not
19:46
Speaker 1: only what you said, but then also what you've heard
19:49
Speaker 1: from the Yankees community. What were the thoughts on hal
19:52
Speaker 1: Steinberner saying that the team was not that profitable. I'm
19:57
Speaker 1: sure that was a tough one to swallow. It's one
19:59
Speaker 1: thing to talk to each other off season about, you know,
20:00
Speaker 1: where you're at with budgeting. I think everybody understands that.
20:04
Speaker 1: For me, as a media member, I was personally offended
20:07
Speaker 1: when he's trying to go over like what revenue versus
20:09
Speaker 1: profit is, Like most of us get it, including the
20:12
Speaker 1: person that asked the question. That's not what they were asking.
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Speaker 3: Right, So there was a few a few things about
20:17
Speaker 3: me that about that that bothered me. He complained about
20:20
Speaker 3: the one hundred dollars tax bill or one hundred million
20:23
Speaker 3: dollar tax bill in the city, which is kind of
20:24
Speaker 3: a sweetheart deal, you know what I mean, Like that's
20:27
Speaker 3: the cost of doing business on the most expensive real
20:31
Speaker 3: estate in America, right, I mean.
20:35
Speaker 1: And I heard it's not one hundred, by the way, Derek,
20:38
Speaker 1: I heard it's more like eighty. And again, I know
20:40
Speaker 1: it's a big deal, but I heard it's like eighty.
20:41
Speaker 1: And it actually if you listen to David Samson's show,
20:44
Speaker 1: who's really good on this stuff and used to be
20:45
Speaker 1: in an ownership group at the Marlins, he essentially said
20:48
Speaker 1: it was just the way of them not showing the
20:50
Speaker 1: public that they were paying for things, right like, because
20:53
Speaker 1: the Yanks were like, oh, we're self funded, Like it
20:54
Speaker 1: wasn't self funded, and Hal just said it himself.
20:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bite.
20:58
Speaker 3: I watched David Sampson a lot and I love his stuff,
21:02
Speaker 3: and he has been saying for a while that the
21:03
Speaker 3: Yankees are not that profitable. So I mean, maybe he's right,
21:06
Speaker 3: and maybe how is right. But if you're not profitable
21:09
Speaker 3: as the ownership of the New York Yankees, you need
21:12
Speaker 3: to get the heck out of the baseball business and
21:15
Speaker 3: sell it to somebody who will you know, I said, basically,
21:18
Speaker 3: you know if you inherit a Ferrari right, and you're
21:23
Speaker 3: just gonna drive it forty miles an hour back and
21:25
Speaker 3: forth to the grocery store. You probably got no business
21:27
Speaker 3: owning that Ferrari. Sell it to somebody who's gonna get
21:30
Speaker 3: out there and take it on the track and use
21:32
Speaker 3: it the way a Ferrari is meant to be driven.
21:35
Speaker 3: If if how is not making a profit and not
21:39
Speaker 3: able to compete with other teams like the Dodgers and
21:43
Speaker 3: like the Mets across town financially anymore, he should take
21:47
Speaker 3: that as a sign to hey, let's pass it on, right.
21:51
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's his father's legacy, but his father,
21:54
Speaker 3: I think, was under one hundred thousand dollars in personal
21:57
Speaker 3: funds invested into the Yankees when he bought it, And
22:01
Speaker 3: you can easily sell that franchise for ten billion dollars
22:04
Speaker 3: right now. I mean, put everybody in the family on
22:08
Speaker 3: Easy Street for generations, right and let a group like
22:13
Speaker 3: the Goggenheims, let a big Wall Street firm take over.
22:17
Speaker 3: Just make sure that there's somebody who wants to win
22:19
Speaker 3: in charge. And I'm good with it. As as I
22:22
Speaker 3: said on my show a couple weeks ago, we don't
22:24
Speaker 3: care who pays the bills. We care who raises.
22:27
Speaker 1: The trophy, perfectly stated, And I actually think, yeah, if
22:32
Speaker 1: you and me took over tomorrow, we could fix that.
22:34
Speaker 1: If there's really a profitability issue.
22:37
Speaker 2: I don't get for the eighty million dollar tax bill.
22:42
Speaker 1: I think you can if you see the revenue coming
22:44
Speaker 1: in On the other side. There's a lot of things
22:45
Speaker 1: that happened behind the scenes. Most owners have you know,
22:48
Speaker 1: they pay themselves, they pay others around them.
22:51
Speaker 3: There are a lot of.
22:51
Speaker 1: Things that you could clean up pretty quickly. Just I'll
22:53
Speaker 1: give you one quick example. John Angelos, who used to
22:56
Speaker 1: be running the Orioles after his lay father Peter passed
22:59
Speaker 1: away and then they sold it. He was paying himself
23:01
Speaker 1: five million dollars to run mass in the TV network.
23:03
Speaker 1: He knows nothing about that. He doesn't do much with
23:05
Speaker 1: the network that alone, right, should just tell you how
23:07
Speaker 1: some of the money gets hidden and how you're able
23:10
Speaker 1: to take it out of certain ventures that you have,
23:12
Speaker 1: Just to give like one taste of how things work
23:15
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. We're never going to see the books.
23:17
Speaker 1: I just it bothered me when I heard that.
23:20
Speaker 3: I think there's probably a director of financial loopholes somewhere
23:23
Speaker 3: within the Yankees organization whose only job it is to
23:26
Speaker 3: find those financial loopholes.
23:28
Speaker 1: As there should be Derek. Great catching up man. Have
23:31
Speaker 1: a great holiday everyone. Check out plenty of content coming
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23:38
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23:44
Speaker 1: Good to see you man.
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Speaker 3: Happy holidays guys,