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GA and Drones plus dumb CAA advice - The FLYER Show - 11th June 2026 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_04: This is the Flyer Show in podcast form from the team at Flyer.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's your weekly dose of General Aviation News, views, and flying chat.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_04: In this episode, we take a look at the dragons, or specifically the latest CA slightly hard work consultation.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_04: Plus, there's the usual observations, digressions, and opinion from the team.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_04: If you like aeroplanes, airfield, airspace, and all the other stuff that surrounds it, you're in the right place.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_04: Hello and welcome to this week's Flyer Show from Watswick.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_04: My name's Ian Seeger.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_04: I'm Ed Hicks.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_04: Where's Dave?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_04: Dave, he's otherwise disposed.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_04: Hopefully he'll be back next week.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, fantastic.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, in this week's episode, we'll be talking about drones.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_04: There's a consultation that came out from the CEA.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_04: Three heavy, turgid documents, and we'll be going through those and finding out.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: It it gives us a good insight into what's going on in their minds.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_04: I guess it's scary.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: I guess we could say we've done some heavy lifting so that you don't have to.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_04: We've done some heavy lifting so that you don't have to, indeed.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_04: And boy, was it heavy.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: Right, should we do some news?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_04: Let's not do news.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_04: Let's Sky Demon.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_04: Sky Demon, thank you so much for supporting this.
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  SPEAKER_04: We weren't gonna move you out of the way for the news.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's really, really appreciated.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_04: And here is this week's top tip.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Rob from Sky Demon, and here's another top tip.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: While you're flying with Sky Demon, editing the route is locked, but you can unlock it to do the rubber banding feature by giving a leg quick tap, bringing up a little label.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: While that's on the leg, you get one free rubber band, and then the route is locked in place again.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: To do it again, tap the leg again.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can do this as many times as you like.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: For more information, check out our website www.skydemon.ero.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: So rubber banding, but not with actual rubber bands.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_04: Not with actual rubber bands.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's that brilliant way of just changing your route and manipulating it to go where you want without having to have weirdo waypoints everywhere, just in case you haven't got them.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_04: Convenient ones.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, it's a good one.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's a good one.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_03: Something without rubber bands in it is the weather.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_03: You'll be surprised.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's raining, rubber bands.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_03: Except if your posty has passed your front door, maybe.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_03: Should we see what Simon has in store for us?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Evening all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hope this evening finds you uh well and you're looking forward to some flying this weekend.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's not looking bad actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: High pressure building in, as always, some complications in there.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is the forecast chart for tomorrow, showing the cloud, showing forecast rainfall, effectively forecast radar, uh, and also pressure.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now you can see quite a bit of cloud around in the morning.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: We've got a weak front that's moving its way southwards through Ireland, through northwest England, through Wales, bringing a little bit of drizzle here.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Fine though, across eastern parts of Scotland.
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  SPEAKER_00: Low cloud affecting western coast, but many central and eastern areas are probably faring okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now during the day, you will find that front weakening.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: You see there the rain effectively collapsing away.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: So that by the evening, actually, most areas are under broken cloud.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: Typical cloud in the afternoon, three to four thousand foot bases, tops of around 12 to maybe 15,000 feet.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: But in the west, we could have bases of less than a thousand feet during the morning with some mist and fog on the coast, but that will gradually lift.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Notice a few showers in western parts of Scotland where it's going to be quite breezy, but for most actually, it turns into a pretty decent afternoon.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now, going into Saturday, low pressure is up towards the north of Scotland on Saturday.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: But you see here cloud well broken for England and Wales.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some rain, some showers affecting Scotland.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we could go marginal to non-VFR at times in those showers, basis of 2 to 4,000 feet.
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  SPEAKER_00: The top is at about 15,000 feet, quite a brisk northwest wind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Elsewhere, generally it's going to be flyable, but we do find cloud increasing in the west, turning quite murky across western parts of Scotland.
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  SPEAKER_00: Could be some low cloud drifting onto western coast of Wales and northwest England later on in the day as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for most, it's fair.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've got some decent spells of sunshine, 4,000 foot basis tops at about 10,000 feet.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then into Sunday, well, mist and murk and drizzle, I think, affecting western coasts and hills.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I think we've got a plan on it being quite murky across much of western Scotland, northwest England, western Wales, southern parts of England, increasingly across the southern coast of England and through the Channel.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's marginal to non-verfar with a basis of about thousand to three thousand feet, tops at about eight to ten thousand feet.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: Further north and east, generally it is veerfarable, but with increasing clouds.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I can't rule out a few spots of drizzle affecting northwestern parts of England, perhaps the northwest Midlands.
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  SPEAKER_00: Base is generally around three to five thousand feet, tops at ten thousand feet.
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  SPEAKER_00: But as I say, that base tending to reduce as we get into the afternoon.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's just something to be wary of.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I think for most of us it ends up being a flyable day with just lighter winds.
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  SPEAKER_00: So some pretty decent conditions around.
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  SPEAKER_00: But as I say, some uncertainty.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: So just keep a very careful eye on the forecast closer to the day.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: And that uncertainty is something I deal with at Aviation Weather School Part 1.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, funny I should say that, because uh I've got a single place remaining at Aviation Weather School Part 1, which begins next Tuesday, the 16th of June, and continues the following Tuesday evening on the 23rd of June.
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  SPEAKER_00: So these are two sessions between 6:30pm and 9 pm.
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  SPEAKER_00: I will show you how to forecast cloud bases, cloud tops, winds, show you how to forecast showers and rain, get the timing of those correct, and I will get you flying more and get you flying more safely.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: And overall, build your confidence in weather, taking you beyond the uh PPL Net course.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: Now, everybody from um pre-student PPLs, right the way through to commercial pilots, have done the course and said that they found it really useful.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: It'll be super to see you there.
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  SPEAKER_00: You get a recording of each of the sessions to watch for a couple of weeks afterwards as well.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: So you can go back over anything you may have missed first time around.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to book your place, go to weatherschool.co.uk or use the QR code you see there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it'll be super to see you there next Tuesday.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll leave you with that for now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have a wonderful, have a safe flying weekend, and I'll see you next week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_03: So looks like we're heading back to some summer normality.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_04: And not be not not too soon, I think.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_04: No, not before time.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: Not before time, that's what I mean.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_04: Bring it back.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, right then.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: News.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_04: News.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_04: You're up first, I'm up first.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: And this is big news that continental aerospace technologies are back in the US because they have previously been uh under Chinese ownership.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um but uh surprise news.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_03: I think it I think it's fair to say we were all surprised by this.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_03: It was it was taking me I wasn't wasn't on my bingo card.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: Wasn't on the bingo card, no.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um but basically Arkline Investment Management um have uh and they're a US private equity firm.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh they have entered an into an agreement to buy Continental uh for the bargain price of five hundred and thirty-five million pounds million dollars.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: Which I th that does sound quite a good price.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_04: It does sound a good I mean it's been around since 1906.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, has a huge heritage of of stuff, builds some great engines, has the whole um JA line as well.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: And plus they've they spent I over the last few years, they've spent a huge amount of money investing in new um production lines, manufacturing facilities.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_03: So I that seems like a a really good purchase.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh obviously I mean I'd have bought it if you had$535 million to spare.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um so it was owned by Aviation Industry Corporation of China, Avia uh Avic.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: Avic.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and that's now that they've obviously sold.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, if you recognise that name, um that's because Arkline have invested in other aviation companies like uh Signi Rerospace, who obviously own Hartzall uh and a whole bunch of uh of other tech.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: And now Arkline described themselves as an as an industrial compounder, which was a new one on me.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um and you know, sometimes you hear these buzzwords and you go, This doesn't sound good.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um but apparently uh this is a specialized investment platform uh that buys and holds profitable niche mission critical manufacturing.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_03: So that does make me worry a bit sometimes when people target things where they go, that is a, you know, that is a one source only thing.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um but hopefully it's good news, good news for Continental.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: So um Arcline said we look forward to partnering with Continental's management team to uh support continued investment in business and accelerate the next chapter of growth.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_04: I read someone that Arcline have something like 30 billion invested.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: They have a lot of money in many pots.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um I'm good to hear that existing GA brands have you know new and exciting.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_03: And how many mini was it?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: Five hundred and thirty-five million dollars.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Arcline, if you need if you f if you fancy a very small niche YouTube broadcaster.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we can do it for you for just under five hundred million.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_04: Five hundred and thirty-five pounds, maybe.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_04: No! No, no.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, next story is uh kind of uh ishlinked.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Ishlinked, I guess.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um yesterday Cirrus was designated as a Chinese military company.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_04: The Department of War um designated Cirrus Aircraft as an official Chinese military company.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um from June the 30th, Cirrus is prohibited uh from receiving Pentagon contracts.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't think they have, as far as I'm aware, they don't have any um big or important Pentagon contracts.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_04: I couldn't remember anything.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_03: I do remember that um a branch of the Air Force might have had some Cirrus SR-20s at some time.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um but that's in a bit of the distance.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_04: There was a whole load of people online going, What are you talking about?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_04: They make SR-22s and S their fifties.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_04: They're not a military company.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, they are also ultimately owned by Avic.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_04: And and Avic, amongst other things, manufacture all of the domestic military aircraft in China.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: And so it's a huge, huge company.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, um, I mean, this is was a quite a broad list, wasn't it?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_03: And and you know, the previous day, content would have been on that list under Chinese ownership.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: So Yeah, interesting.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_04: Interesting things.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure it will be an evolving situation, maybe.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure it will.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_04: They obviously didn't bid to buy a build a ballroom or something, did they?
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um a reminder uh if you're in London on the 2nd of July, then you can listen to an evening with Ian Seeger.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_03: As he's the guest speaker at London Flying Club, uh, that's a meeting that takes place at the Albany at 2.40 Great Portland Street.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um the event starts at six o'clock.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_03: Ian's on from seven and it finishes at ten.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: The big question is, what are you going to be talking about?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_04: I I won't be talking from seven till ten.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_04: That's for sure, because that's the long time.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_04: Seven till seven thirty, then questions.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_04: Seven till seven fifteen, then questions.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I kind of so I guess I'll open up with like, how the bloody hell did I get here?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: Because I've been sort of not sitting in this chair, but sitting at the the flyer chair for 32 years now, which is kind of a bit a bit mad, really.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_04: I was only six when I when I started.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: You wish.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'll if if I've learnt anything over the last 32 years, I'll I'll hopefully bring that to the fore.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_04: There'll be the inevitable best and worst aircraft I've flown.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_04: Illustrated, no doubt, with some stunning Ed Hicks picks.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um I've got a couple of memorable flights, flights that I'm not gonna ever forget, that I've that I've done that will feature, hopefully.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and there'll be some there'll definitely be some opinions that are gonna upset some people.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: That's no surprise.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: Some people in the room, some people not in the room, particularly if the CEA come along.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um and then we'll have time for some questions and fun.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_04: It'll just be hopefully a nice, relaxed evening.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_04: Not something I've done a huge amount of over time.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: So hopefully there's a couple of grains of interest in there.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: So give us a clue.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: What was your uh what's a favourite?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: What might we be hearing about?
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_04: I'm kind of because of this, I've been trying to figure it out.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_04: And I think I do actually have a prop here.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: No, okay.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Talking of talking of Ed Hicks Pace, this I think is gonna be a hard one to beat for me.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_04: The Lockheed Electro.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think I think it's yeah, I can see why that would be.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's you.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's you staring out there.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_04: Fabulous, fabulous airplane.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing airplane, amazing place, amazing person, amazing weather, just amazing.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: Everything.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_04: So things like that do stick with you.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_04: So that's gonna that's gonna be hard to beat.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_04: So that'll probably be my Okay.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_03: But a whole bunch of other stuff besides that.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_04: I think I've I think I've got to my worst one as well.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_03: Keep that as a big surprise.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um anyway, uh the event is free to attend, uh, and if you fancy that, then we'll put a link in the description so that you can register.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: So because they just want to know numbers.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_03: Fantastic.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_04: Now talking of upsetting people.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, excellent.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_04: Where are we going with this?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm kind of got myself wondering whether there's a whether there's a recreational drug problem at the Civil Aviation Authority.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_04: Or perhaps a sleeping pill problem with I mean they've done a couple of things recently which is just bonkers.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_04: The first thing, last last week, they came out with a thing reminding people about controlled airspace in and around Coventry and be careful when you fly and stuff.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's closed as of today.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_04: It's gone.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_04: Did they not did they not notice?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_04: So with a few days to go, they were oh, but again, this I mean, I don't know.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Also, do you do you think is that was that someone's overdue project?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: Was that deliverable like a year ago or something?
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_04: I think that might have been an overdue deliverable.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_04: I do, indeed.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: But that's nothing.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's nothing when compared to the next thing, which was kind of the thing that they bought out yesterday.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh day before yesterday, sorry.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_04: On the northwest back passion uh northwest transit corridor.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_04: Corridor, yes.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_04: Not the low-level routes.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: Not the low route.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is this is a doozy, I have to say.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's absolutely bonkers.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: So if you go and have a look on your half mil map, if you've got such a thing, you know, dust that off from the coverage.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: You get Sky Demon out, or if you're really, really, really clever or a little bit strange, you can you can go to the AIP on Route 5.1 and look at the danger area and and figure out the exact size of it.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_04: But over Warrington, which is kind of the most populated bit of the Northwest Transit Corridor, it's it's four miles, four nautical miles wide.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_04: So they put out a thing saying, and it's 1,500 feet high, don't forget.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_04: And uh which which is an increase in what it used to be.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: So four miles, fifteen hundred feet.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: They put out came out a thing going, uh, that fifteen hundred feet.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_04: Don't forget there's aircraft going into Liverpool that has probably, you know, it's up only just above the 1,500 feet, and it might cause some uh TCAS alerts.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um so you know, maybe just fly at a maximum of 1,300 feet.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_04: Why don't you take two?
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_04: Take two is a great idea to give 200 feet 200 feet and feet.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_04: Now, of course, two nautical miles in a corridor that's four nautical miles wide over the most populated part of it, and not that much wider over the rest of it, means that the civil aviation authorities' advice is to force everyone down the bloody middle of it, right down the bloody centre line for the bit over wide.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_04: Are you mad?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: I mean I I have a vision.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: This is gonna be like uh this is for all you film dups, this will be like the Northwest Transit Corridor will be like flying the Star Wars Canyon run.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna get maneuver! Stay on target.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_05: We're too close.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_05: Stay on target.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: Like making an attack on the dead star.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's exactly what it's gonna be.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, don't seriously, whatever the CA advice, that to take two might be a generally good advice in other bits of airspace, but the Northwest Transit Corridor, it's not a bit of good advice.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's a P it's some of the worst advice I've ever come across in my life.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_04: I can't believe it actually came out.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I mean, did no one go, I wonder.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: Clearly, you're mad.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_04: Was there an ele do you think they would it lacked the element of where someone says, can you just have a read of this and see if this makes sense?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_04: It lacked the element of any common sense whatsoever.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_04: It was just completely and utterly it's it's ridiculous.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: It is bonkers.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I for one will not be flying along the middle.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_04: No, that's a bit like going.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's a bit like your headlights on, uh, who's gonna reverse?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: We suggest this magenta line.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone flies up and down this magenta line.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's like, oh, dear oh, dear okay.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_04: Coming soon, CA joisting with airplanes.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, everyone's everyone's been getting on perfectly fine with the Urswell low-level corridor.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_04: The Manchester Northwest Transit Corridor.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, it gets a little bit wider in places, a little bit higher, gives us a bit of space to breathe, because you before you could get MOR'd if you had the wrong transponder code and stuff, that's all gone.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: Everything's going fine and smooth and lovely.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_04: And then along come the Civil Aviation Authority and go, I know what, why don't you fly down the middle?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_04: If it doesn't matter whether you're going north or south, just fly down the middle.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_04: Take two, take two.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: The rant is real.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_04: Completely and utterly bonkers.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_04: Probably the worst thing I've seen from them.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, and that's saying something.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_04: It is saying something.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: And we have to we have to we have to pitch that against the fact that quite often the CA do some good, some great work and there's some really good people there.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: But this is the diplomat.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just smooth that out.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: No, they do.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: There are some good people there and they do do some good stuff.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_04: This is not one of those things.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_04: Talking of the C C E doing things.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, there is some updated guidance on assessing cardiovascular risk in pilots and air traffic controllers.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_04: This is a thing that was kind of I want to say a little bit underground previously, where where AMEs are being highly encouraged to use Q risk three.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um What is QRISC III?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_04: QRISC III is a tool that the medical profession can use to estimate the chance of a cardiac event over the next 10 years.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_04: And it's it's a popular it's not an aviation tool, it's a it's a wider population tool.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: And so if you the they've set a couple of percentages.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_04: So if your percentage in the Q risk three is above 15%, or is 15%, for example, that means there's a 15% chance that you'll experience some kind of cardiac event in the next 10 years.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_04: Now, a cardiac event doesn't mean necessarily incapacitation.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_04: It can mean all sorts of different things.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um and they've they've chosen 15%, which seems like a little bit of a strange number to me, as as being the limit for a class two medical without further investigation, and they've suggested the further investigation routes that may be available, including uh stress ECGs, which are probably the lowest cost and not the lowest cost option, although they're still expensive.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um and and and and stressful for people.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: And stressful, because that's what they're meant to do.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_04: But there are other more uh invasive and complex tests that can be done as as well.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um as Martin Robinson from AOPA points out, they've effectively gone above and beyond the IKA requirements.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_04: They've effectively gold-plated it.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_04: It's not an IKO requirement at all.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_04: Right, okay.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um and they they've they've they've got sort of they've nationally defined risk thresholds, mandatory periodic risk assessment.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: So this is every two years.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_04: This is not just um, and so there's all sorts of stuff.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_04: There will be a lot more to come on this.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of questions that we need to ask the C CA, not least of which is how did you come up with 15% and what's the evidence for it?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_04: Because I don't believe there is the evidence for it.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_04: If you look at the occurrence of of cardiac events in accidents, it's extremely small.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think anyone other than the person involved has has been injured.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um and yet, you know, this is this 10% that's applied to class one, and that's for people flying between sort of seven and nine hundred hours a year.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_04: And GA people GA world, I suspect the average is closer to thirty hours a year, okay, um at at a guess.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_04: And so the 15% for that seems like a strange number, and I'm not really sure what's driving it, and I'd like to see and understand the evidence that's driving that.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: So there will be more on this.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'm not quite sure how quickly the CA will answer.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_04: We haven't actually answered the question yet.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_04: Any came out yesterday, but we will do, and we'll find out.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: Heads up, the question is coming.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's coming.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_04: Look out for a future flyer show um and some content on the on the web.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_04: If you're a club member, that is.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_04: So there you go.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_04: Cool.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_04: That's the news.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, time for Club News.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: Time for club news.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: Uh which is if you're uh a flyer club member and you're looking to use your flyer club freelanding fees in the month of June, you can head to Easter, Kingsmirror, Eshot, or Yatesbury.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: But Yatesbury is not on the 24th or 28th of June, as they've got some events on there.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh if you use all of those, you will save£35.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and so far, uh, if you've been a club member and you've used your free landing fees, you would have saved£310.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: For the month or for the And how much is it to be a Flyer Club member?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it is only six pounds a month or sixty-two pounds a year.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: Bargain.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Flyer.co.uk forward slash membership.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um uh and you get the free landings and the fly club webinars.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we recently had one uh that was Pete Stratton from the BGA talking about gliding activity in shared airspace, uh, plus some uh great one about flying in and out of the Channel Islands with Nigel Webb and Be Confident on the Radio with Darren Lewington.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um and yeah, all our access to all our fly content on the web flyer forum as well, which is a fantastic resource.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: There's some good stuff on there at the moment.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_04: There's there's some good stuff um about flying with kids.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: There's some good stuff about destination.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_04: There's just there's some great stuff about airfield food, which we're gonna add to today.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Which I had to concentrate on saying.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's a long-running thread, full of useful information.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_04: I think Jeremy Clarkson once described general aviation as flying around to airfields and eating slightly dried sandwiches with crusty cheese, or was it dried cheese in crusty sandwiches?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_04: I can't remember.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he was probably a bit more prosaic than me.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: He was he was he was not he didn't have access to the fantastic flyer forum food thread.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: He didn't.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_04: That was your problem, Jeremy.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_04: For God's sake.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, so there you go.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: Polite.
• 22:41
  unknown: Good.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_04: So last week the Civil Aviation Authority came out with another consultation on drones.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_04: Three hefty documents.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_04: So the CA is consulting on the future of drone traffic management in the UK.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_04: And while the documents don't propose any new requirements for German aviation, I think they offer an interesting glimpse of where the CEA and their airspace plans are heading.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: The consultation is really about enabling beyond visual line of sight.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_04: So that's drone operations that where the operator can't see the drone beyond visual line of sight.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but the challenge is obviously how you integrate those drones into the UK aerospace environment because it's uh it's busy and uh you don't want to be carving out large chunks of restricted airspace every time someone wants an Amazon delivery.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: The answer appears to be a system built around electronic visibility.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: If only we said visibility instead of conspicuity.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um the documents repeatedly talk about a cooperative surveillance environment.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, where aircraft are electronically visible to each other and to the systems managing the airspace.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh several future scenarios described by the CIA assume drones carrying ADSB in and ADSB out, while manned aircraft carry ADSB out.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh now, to be clear, it's not a proposal, it's not a mandate, uh, and the consultation does not suggest that general aviation aircraft will be required to carry ADSB, but it might tell us where the CIA is heading with their thinking.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um and another interesting detail in that is that the documents identify Cap 1391 ADSB devices, the ones that we all got kind of part funded by the DFT as the current solution for the system, while other forms of electronic conspicuity are described as being outside the study requirements for UTM service provision, UTM unmanned traffic management.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: So seemingly no FLAM, no pilot aware.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_04: Perhaps the most revealing line appears in one of the future scenarios where the CA says that if enough people are carrying it, they won't need TMZ in order to do it.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_04: Which kind of to me suggests that it's it's it's not a proposal, but it suggests that the way they're thinking is that we're all gonna be carrying it.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_04: So I guess the question is uh what's the takeaway from all of this?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it as we've both said many, many times, uh the consultation doesn't set out any mandates, doesn't say what they're definitely what they're gonna do, and and doesn't talk about reducing class G or anything like that.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_04: But what it does do is it does give us a good idea of what's coming.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: And I think if you read those documents and boy that's heavy going.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_04: Heavy going, it's hard it was hard for me to finish reading them without imagining that there's no way that we're gonna be able to enjoy the freedoms that we do currently enjoy if we're not equipped to fly in that airspace where beyond visual line of sight drones operate.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I I have to say, I and I'm a Sky Echo user, all my aeroplanes whenever I fly have a Sky Echo.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: I don't have an issue with broadcasting ADSB out.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: I love the fact that I can get traffic uh into my device, into my into into Sky Demon.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um so an all-round yeah, it's an all-round uh s situation that I'm happy with.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_04: So I I think it it would you know the devil will be in the detail when it comes.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um but I think you know if you're to ask me, if I had to if I had to bet as much as ten pence on it, it would definitely be the fact that or even my house.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe not my house, I might not get that far.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um basically I I think there will be a mandate.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_04: Or you know, there might there might still be bits of airspace where you don't need to do it.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um and and don't forget, we're not just talking uh about URI flying, we're talking about the people flying powered parachutes, we're talking about the people flying hand gliders, we're talking about parachuters, we're talking about all sorts of people.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_04: So we're gonna need some kind of solution if we're gonna have a completely interoperable, integrated uh airspace where everybody is uh working together.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_03: And I you have to you think, oh, that there might be spots where you don't need this, but you just never know where something might pop up.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: Someone's gonna need another rubber tug to delivered within an hour.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, where I you know more uh more emergency services uh are using drones now and you get lots of pop-up um temporary uh little pop pop-up uh drone TDAs, um you're gonna need they're gonna need to anticipate the fact that uh any aircraft, any power you know, paraglider, you know, powered parachutist, whatever, in that airspace, if they're to be avoided, they're going to need some kind of traffic.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody pointed out there's a great thread on this on the forum, by the way.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_04: If you're a member, you can go and read that all and participate in that thread.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: But somebody pointed out on there um uh you know the fact that if everybody has to equip those people who haven't equipped, even if it's not outrageously expensive in terms of what it it could be, that's effectively everybody paying to subsidise the profit of the of the commercial drones that are out there operating.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and we've all been told that obviously they're quoting uh numbers in the billions, aren't they?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: With the future of drones.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: You go, is there not something in this where where the the drone industry can go, how can we help integrate?
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm sure Elon could come up with a chip that it could embed in everybody and then it'll be fine.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody have their own ADSB chip.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: It could attract the future of traffic management.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's it's it doesn't seem uh like a hard question to find the answer to, but it does seem like there are some decisions coming and some mandates in the future.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_04: I am sure that buried within the Civil Aviation Authority there are some people at some level who already have a very good idea of what they believe is going to be the best solution and what's gonna be required for it.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: I bet there's a whiteboard up on a wall somewhere with all the if you could look at it, it would be have like a number of bullet points on it, and you go, Well, that's what you want to do.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_04: I think the CA it would be a slate, it won't be a whiteboard.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: Harsh.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: Harsh but tree.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, so yeah, watch this space.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, um, yeah, and obviously if you have if it's this is a very uh divisive and uh it generates a lot of discussion.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_03: So uh if you have if you have thoughts, put them in the comments.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: Go to if you're a fly club member, go join uh go and participate in the discussion online.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: But this is one of these things that you can't ignore.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's it is gonna happen.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll we'll keep you informed about it and we'll ask the questions that need asking when they need asking, um, and let you know.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_04: So keep watching.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so it's time for what caught your eye.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: So I can't go to Dave, so what caught your eye?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: So what caught my eye is this.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, okay.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's a 185 with a randomly painted door.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a lot of sort of shabby, rough stuff going on.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_04: You'll be able to see that at Brayton, Stollfest, next weekend.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, fantastic.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you'll be able to see it.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_04: And do you know why it caught my eye?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_04: I have no idea.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's not the door.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_04: It caught my eye because it's going to be the star or a co-star of a film directed by Ridley Scott that's due out later this year.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, tell me more.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_04: So basically, there's a pilot, the pilot of the 185.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: Who the world gets attacked by some as far as I can understand it, I'm not a huge big film buff.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_04: It's called The Dog Stars.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_04: Right, okay.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_04: And it's it's a book from uh what was his name?
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_04: Heller, Peter Heller, back in 2012.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um and basically the world gets attacked by a virus and a whole load of people die, and it's all very dystopian and all the rest of it.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm guessing not many people left plus some aeroplanes.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_04: Not many people left, plus an aeroplane.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_04: And and the pilot of this, who in the film's called Higg.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_04: Don't know where that came from, but he is called Higg.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um operates his his 185 from uh an abandoned airbase in Colorado somewhere.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and then out flying one day, hears a radio, a weak radio transmission, decides to go and investigate.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know whether it's information or something.
• 31:02
  unknown: Yeah.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it was it was a new QH.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_04: Someone's still trying to go.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: Can you open my flight plan?
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_04: Go into La 2K in Colorado.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_04: But anyway, that that becomes the whole adventure, and there's lots of flying and stuff like that.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm kind of looking forward to seeing that film.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_04: So that it's not very often that a mighty airplane like the Session 185 it features in a film like this.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: I I'm I'm I'm always excited when Gemini Aviation pops up in films and plays uh plays a bit part in the background.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: Because you'd like to think that people go, because invariably flying scenes look great in movies, and people you'd like to think people go, that looks like fun.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_03: That looks like fun, I don't want a dystopian future, but I do want to fly an aeroplane.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_04: Or maybe, you know, maybe those people who think there is a dystopian future go, maybe an airplane's a thing to have.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I I always say zombie apocalypse.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_03: Zombie apocalypse.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's like I'm in the cub heading to Scotland.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, oh, they're keeping up with me.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: Zombies and guilt.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_04: I always I always think a few things, a bit a little bit like that, but I soon realize that you know, even if I kept the if I kept the Susan 182 full of fuel all the time, then then it's gonna be bloody heavy cutting that around.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: It is, it is.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um what caught your eye, eh?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: What caught my eye?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um so if you cast your mind back to November 2023, and you were off for this show, um, but we had Charlie Walker, um, who was the uh the owner of D-Day C47, Night Fright, um, and he was on the live stream talking about a huge restoration project that they've been doing with that airplane.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's taken years.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but um he was talking about that, it was getting close to finishing, and it clearly took a bit more time.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, that aeroplane has finally flown, and on Tuesday, um it flew uh for the first time, uh, and that was more important than you might imagine because the restoration's been going on at Coventry, and obviously Coventry has just closed uh and the aeroplane, and you don't want to have an aeroplane that's nearly restored, and you go, now we have to take it apart.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh but anyway, they made it out, they made the flight, and my god, this thing is it might be one of the most perfect C-47 restorations ever.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: They've done an absolutely magnificent job on it.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_03: It is amazing.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the airplane was part of the 436 Troop Carrier Group.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh they flew with the US Air Force uh from um Membri Airfield during World War II.
• 33:30
  unknown: Wow.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's just up the road.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, took part uh in the airborne missions um uh in Europe during the war, including dropping power droppers, towing gliders, and evacuating the wounded.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um so uh Charlie's company, Walker Logistics, they actually own part of Membri Airfield.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: And eventually they hope to reunite the airplane, because it operated from Membury with the airfield.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which will be amazing.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that will be very cool.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh in the meantime, the aeroplanes uh obviously left Coventry and it's flown to Sywell for the foreseeable future.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: But I hope it all comes to pass.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: I congratulations to everyone on the team who's done that.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_03: That is an amazing accomplishment.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_04: Do you think those people at Coventry earlier on today when that when it closed, when it rolled up the runway and took it away?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: I sadly I don't think that happened.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_03: But I know the whole Coventry thing, it's just like it's we've said it in the past, and I'm sure we will sadly say it again, but when an airplane uh when an airfield goes it's gone, and we don't go, oh, I wonder when they'll finish building the next airport.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: The answer is probably never.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, unbelievable, really.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so such a great, great facility.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and gone.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: So, but uh yeah, but the night fright restoration, fantastic.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: That just I can't wait to see that around this year.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um what have we got coming up then?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_03: You can be on the event stunt Dave.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: I am yeah, I'm on the events uh calendar schedule, and I can tell you 12th and 13th of June, uh get into arrows at sleep.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh 13th of June uh is the gyro record gathering attempt at Shuttleworth.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um so if you have an auto gyro, head to Shuttleworth at Old Warden.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: Be that record.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh for 13th of um 13th of June is uh the Vintage Piper Fly-in at Old Buckerdam.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: I might be going to that.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_03: Quite a few old vintage Piper Fly-ins, aren't they?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: Is it a vintage piper club doing them?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it's the the Vintage Piper Aircraft Club, which is a fantastic bunch led by some very motivated people.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: So is that you?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's not led by me.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: No, I am just I am but a member.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_03: But the the the the team who do it are fantastic.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh 13th 14th.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, do you think are there more vintage pipers than non-vinta pipers?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: I suspect most pipers fall into the vintage vintage category now.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh 13th, 14th is flying at Swansea, celebrating at the 85th anniversary of RF Fairwood Common, which is what Swansea used to be.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and the good news is there is volunteers now have a 125-year lease.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Sunday the 14th.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: Sunday the 14th of June, summer flying at Stowemary's um uh Great War Aerodrome.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh like we said last week, go there to see probably as many great uh World War I replicas as you can possibly see.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_04: Anywhere.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_03: Anywhere.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um RF Cosford Air Show on Sunday.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: I think Annabelle's gonna be there.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: So see Annabelle.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: I think there's gonna be a beaver there too.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: If if if you're not a member of the Fly Club and you can go see Annabelle, she can sort that for you on the spot.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know how, but she can.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_03: She'll make it so your credit card.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: And then coming up, Thursday, the 18th of June, is the second of the summer pop'um barbecues, which if the weather's nice, I'm hoping to go.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: I would love to go, but I will fortunately be away.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm this this time I'm hoping to take the cub, which is already sort of yeah, and then looking a little bit further ahead, uh, as Ian mentioned in what caught your eye, uh Stollfest at Brighton, uh, 19th to the 21st of June.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh there's still spaces for entrance, apparently, according to Dave Notes.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: And uh the but you can enter and not have a stall aircraft.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm most excited.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember at Popham Microlight Trade Fair, Paul Jewhurst of Flylight said, I'm taking one of the ninjas along.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: And if I was a betting man, I'm going to I I'm gonna say it here now.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: I think Paul Paul might be the winner, because uh it just strikes me that that aeroplane might be it might not have the big tyres or the or the macho stoleness of everything else, but I think it might be What was that?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_04: What was the Mike Patey thing called?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_04: Scrappy.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_04: Scrappy.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's the complete opposite of the antithesis of Scrappy, isn't it?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_04: I bet you it's got you know, maybe not the carrying capacity of Scrappy.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh well, yeah.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_03: But um but yeah, that he's my he's my if I had to guess, I'd I'd I'd say maybe you heard it here heard it here for heard it here first, and I called the winner if I could ever say that.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 37:55
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