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Mass Murderer - Richard Speck - Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Mass murder a very serious and dark topic, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: referring to modern unfortunate events with public shootings, cruel wars
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  Speaker 1: around the world, or historical cases like Richard Speck. Richard
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  Speaker 1: had a very dark history of his own, a dark
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  Speaker 1: history involving substance abuse and trouble with law. Everything he
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  Speaker 1: was involved with escalated throughout his life, and it would
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  Speaker 1: all come together in a tragically violent night where nine
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  Speaker 1: nursing students found themselves helpless to Richard's every whim. Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for
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  Speaker 1: a mature audience.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, how's it going.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to
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  Speaker 1: The vault opens and that piece is released again, it
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  Speaker 1: cannot be the same. Maybe maybe a color palette change
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  Speaker 1: or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's very true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it will not be the same, you know
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna be chatting a lot about Hallo Hallow
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  Speaker 2: in week and getting everyone excited because it's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: freaking awesome. Last year was awesome, and like it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be just as awesome, if not more.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it'll be more awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Every year will just be more awesome, of course.
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  Speaker 1: But do you want to know what's not awesome?
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  Speaker 2: The person we're talking about today.
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  Speaker 1: The person we're talking about today, Richard Speck.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I gathered that from the intro there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a cool being. And to give you
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  Speaker 1: guys a bit of a heads up, this is part
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  Speaker 1: one of a two part episode regarding Richard Speck. I
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  Speaker 1: did not realize how involved this case is until I
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  Speaker 1: was researching, I knew it was a big case. But
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  Speaker 1: his background is very, very thorough. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: information on him. I'm not a huge fan of covering
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  Speaker 1: the history of a perpetrator, a murderer, someone like that.
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  Speaker 1: Generally we try and make it more about the victims
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  Speaker 1: when at all possible. Right, So this first episode is
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  Speaker 1: going to be more centered around him and his upbringing
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  Speaker 1: and where how he got to what he does. The
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  Speaker 1: second episode we're going to try and revolve that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more around his victims.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes that happens. I don't know these people.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of information out there and it's interesting
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  Speaker 2: too sometimes to figure out how they got to where
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  Speaker 2: they are. So there are cases like that that are
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  Speaker 2: more heavy on the friggin'.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely asshole, definitely, And that's what this is going to be.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of figuring out how he got to
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  Speaker 1: become who he became. So, without further ado, let's dive
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  Speaker 1: into this.
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  Speaker 2: And I should say, actually I have I've never heard
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  Speaker 2: of this no, which I don't know if that's weird,
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  Speaker 2: but I definitely happened.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard of the name, but that was about the
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  Speaker 1: extent of it. And then I ran across what he
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  Speaker 1: did and I was like, shit, shit, So yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go, okay, let's dive into this. Richard Benjamin Speck
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  Speaker 1: was born in Kirkwood, Illinois, in nineteen forty one. He
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  Speaker 1: was a young boy who had several siblings. His parents,
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  Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin Speck and Mary Margaret Carbo, had a total
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  Speaker 1: of eight children in fact. Oh wow, five daughters and
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  Speaker 1: three sons, with Richard being one of them. Now, after
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  Speaker 1: Richard was born, the family would move into Monmouth, Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: a small town that was established in eighteen thirty one.
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  Speaker 1: A small sized town of four point twenty six square miles.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's very small.
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  Speaker 1: It's tiny. Now, Richard's parents were both very religious, and
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  Speaker 1: they were both tetollers to tollars. I'm not sure how
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  Speaker 1: you say it exactly. It's a word that I specifically
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  Speaker 1: had to look up for this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, kiss, Yeah, I don't know what that is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a person who participates in abstinence from psychoactive
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  Speaker 1: drug ethanol, which is commonly referred to as alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So they specifically practice abstinence of.
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  Speaker 2: Alcohol, so they don't have any drinks correct, beverages of alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and this is also extended to strict rules against smoking.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now this was so extreme to the fact actually, particularly
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  Speaker 1: with his mother, that Richard's father, Benjamin, would endure an
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  Speaker 1: extremely angry wife after having a single beer one night
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  Speaker 1: at a fish fry.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yes, just one beer.
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  Speaker 1: One beer, and he was getting scolded extremely by her apparently.
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  Speaker 2: Yikes.
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  Speaker 1: So his parents were both very hard working and they
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  Speaker 1: did their best to put food on the table and
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  Speaker 1: pay the mortgage of their modest family home. Now, Richard's
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  Speaker 1: father worked several different jobs, picking up extra hours when
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  Speaker 1: he could, and he did what he needed for his family.
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  Speaker 1: He worked as a packer, a roofer, a farm hand,
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  Speaker 1: and a logger.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I thought I was busy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely did what he could, I mean bouncing
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  Speaker 1: around from job's job, he did multiple things, but doing
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  Speaker 1: what he could to provide. Now, the family, though rather large,
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  Speaker 1: seemed to be verily tight knit and did well as
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  Speaker 1: a wholesome unit. Now, when Richard was old enough, his
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  Speaker 1: father would actually frequently take him out to go fishing
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  Speaker 1: at a nearby lake for bluegill fish. It was something
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  Speaker 1: that they began to kind of share together, and it
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  Speaker 1: gave an opportunity for them to build a relationship between
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  Speaker 1: each other as father and son. It's something Richard considered
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  Speaker 1: extremely special and he held it very close to him
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  Speaker 1: and you know, it made him feel even closer specifically
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  Speaker 1: with his father.
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  Speaker 2: And sorry, can I just ask a little question here?
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Richard? Is he the oldest of the boys,
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  Speaker 2: do you know?
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  Speaker 1: No, he's the second youngest child after Richard. It was
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  Speaker 1: his sister, I want to say, Carolyn or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay, yes she was.
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  Speaker 1: Yes that I'm going to point this out. There is
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  Speaker 1: some information like that that I have omitted because this
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  Speaker 1: is a very very very large history that they have
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  Speaker 1: documented with this guy's background.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and I was just curious. It wasn't super important.
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  Speaker 1: So if you have questions, feel free to ask. I'll
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  Speaker 1: answer what I can, but I have omitted some of
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  Speaker 1: the information because it's just so extreme, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: information that's kind of mundane totally. But any any case,
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  Speaker 1: Richard had a great relationship with his father and they
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  Speaker 1: became very very close and held these special moments. That
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  Speaker 1: is until nineteen forty seven. Now, by this time, Richard
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  Speaker 1: was six years old. And unfortunately, sometimes things can unravel
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  Speaker 1: and unwind, and all it takes is for a single
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  Speaker 1: thread to be lost and a whole thing can come undone.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened when his father died from
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  Speaker 1: an unexpected heart attack at the age of fifty three.
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  Speaker 2: No, I was not expecting that. I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what happened. Ooh that's sad. That's very, very very sad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Richard took the loss of his dad very hard.
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  Speaker 2: Dang.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So without his father, he actually began to act
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  Speaker 1: out in school in very odd ways. Now his elementary
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  Speaker 1: school co students or whatever the word you want to say, peers,
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  Speaker 1: that's a way better word than co students, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: noticed that he would actually frequently begin to like whine
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  Speaker 1: and almost act like a baby. He would whine often,
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  Speaker 1: he'd even eat crayons.
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  Speaker 2: And that's so sad that that's so young to be
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  Speaker 2: losing a.
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  Speaker 1: Parent, it is, dang. His teacher would actually almost have
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  Speaker 1: to coddle him and treat him like a baby, and
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  Speaker 1: one classmate actually once even saw the teacher letting him
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  Speaker 1: sit on her lap. Just because she didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: else to do with him. He's acting like such a baby.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and she also probably felt so fri and bad. Yeah, hard,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, that's that's yeah, that's that's very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I mean it may not have been the
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  Speaker 1: lack of father figure though, too, because he didn't receive
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  Speaker 1: much attention from his grief stricken mother either.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean she was dealing with a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, rightfully.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, well, how many friggin children she had?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was also like affected completely. She just lost
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  Speaker 1: her spouse. I mean, though it's no excuse to ignore
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  Speaker 1: a child. No, but without her husband or parenting partner,
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  Speaker 1: she's now a single mother of eight, and that would
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  Speaker 1: be extremely difficult.
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  Speaker 2: She was probably very overwhelmed and of also being like, well,
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  Speaker 2: how am I going to keep all these children alive
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  Speaker 2: by myself?
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent? And like, I have the utmost respect
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  Speaker 1: for any single parent, let alone someone who is the
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  Speaker 1: sole provider and caregiver for eight human beings. So and
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  Speaker 1: also on the other hand, perhaps it wasn't that she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't giving Richard attention, but maybe it was that she
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  Speaker 1: was spread a bit thin and she couldn't give Richard
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  Speaker 1: enough attention or the attention he demanded, right, So that's
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  Speaker 1: a very big possibility too. Yes. Regardless though, she would
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  Speaker 1: eventually seek out another partner in crime, someone to confide it, right,
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  Speaker 1: share a life with, and help, you know, fulfill the
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  Speaker 1: role of a father figure to her children.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, okay, has this Sky a good guy?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you'll find out here in a second. She would
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  Speaker 1: find what she was looking for during a train ride
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  Speaker 1: to Chicago, and three years after the death of her husband,
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  Speaker 1: she would marry a man on May tenth, nineteen fifty
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Carl August Rudolphdenburg in Palo Texas. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Palo Pinto, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: It's quite the name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Carl Lindenberg is what he often went by.
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  Speaker 1: We're just going to call him Carl.
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  Speaker 2: Not cool?
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  Speaker 1: Carl?
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  Speaker 2: Is he not cool?
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  Speaker 1: Carl's not cool? Carl?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's Carl's.
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  Speaker 1: I know, right. So, now, Carl was a far stone's
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  Speaker 1: throw from the man she was previously married to. He
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  Speaker 1: was a traveling insurance salesman from Texas who had a
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  Speaker 1: large twenty five year criminal history. Now this history or
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  Speaker 1: record would range from forgery to multiple DUIs, which leads
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  Speaker 1: me to mention that Carl was a very heavy drinker.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and she wasn't for that, was she she was?
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  Speaker 1: Heck, so she clearly let something slip. Maybe it was
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: in her expectations of a partner, or maybe she's desperate
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: to have someone else with her, but she let something
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: slide regarding what her Uh, I can't think of words today,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: expectations are of someone.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: I guess well, she should just spend a little tiny
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: bit longer looking. She probably could have found someone better.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe that meant her, because that's a big one. Like
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: she was so against el guy. He's pretty much an alcoholic,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and like that's something.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: This guy is an alcoholic.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, he's an alcoholic, and we're gonna let that slide.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know anyways. Now, while the couple
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: were in Texas they were getting married, Richard had actually
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: stayed with his older sister, who had recently married herself. Now.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: He had stayed there, back in their home for a
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: few months to finish the second grade in school before
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: he moved over to Texas with his mom and his
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: new stepdad in Santo Texas. Now, Richard didn't enjoy his
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: new father figure too much. In fact, many articles I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: read described him as hating or loathing him. The family
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: dynamic he once knew with his biological dad quite literally
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: crumbled right, and now he was left with something completely different,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and he resented his mother for it as well.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Dang, I mean it sounds like this person did have,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: like this new father figure person had like pretty big
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: shoes to fill.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely. But also I don't think he even attempted
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: to fill those shoes in any shape or form.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Really, Oh shit's given not really.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty one, the family would move to East Dallas.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Now this would start a string of moves to the
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: family where they would go from place to place and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: home from home. The family would actually go to ten
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: different addresses, usually in underprivileged neighborhoods, over the course of
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the next twelve years. Oh shit, So essentially moving to
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a new home every.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Year, which is very hard for like kids who are
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: growing up.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's very hard for anyone, let alone
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: kids growing up.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Ye.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't have a stable home, you can't
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: make friends very easily. You're bouncing back and forth. Now,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to be fair, I don't know how many of those
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: are different neighborhoods. Maybe he's still going to the same
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: school in some of those moves. Not too sure now,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: But in that time, during nineteen fifty two, Richard would
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: actually suffer another family loss when his eldest brother, Robert
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: would pass away as a result of a car accident.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And Robert was only twenty three years old when he passed. Wow,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: so he's going through a lot, a lot of big
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: impacts on this little boys.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: At a very young age.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, so Richard's life by this time was very much so,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: extremely different than it had started out. Now, if the
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: path had stayed true with when he was younger before
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: his father passed away, who knows where he would have
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: ended up. But he was on a different path now
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and taking after his new father figure. He began drinking
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: at the age of twelve, and by the age of fifteen,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Richard could have been considered and in fact was considered
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: an alcoholic. And he drank consistently and was drunk almost every.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Day at fifteen years old. Yes, that's very very sad.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine being I mean, well fair enough, I
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to handle my alcohol at fifteen,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: so it would have been very.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Easy to get drunk, but you build your tolerance like
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: it sounds.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, but could you imagine getting drunk every
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: day at fifteen? Like what the fuck? Like, first of all,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: how can you, like, where are you getting that money?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, getting the booze? I never even thought that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I will touch on that a little bit here later,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: where he's getting at least some of the boots. Yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: but yeah, like it's it's absurd to even think, how
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: could a fifteen year old. I know, this is a
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: prevalent thing, like it happens to a lot of people
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: in society unfortunately. Yeah, but I just can't imagine being
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: in that situation. It's tragic. It is what I'm getting too, basically.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's a great way to describe it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So in that timeframe he had also began his
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: negative behaviors in other aspects. His first arrest was actually
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: only at the age of thirteen in nineteen fifty five.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Now it wasn't anything terrible, mind you. I mean illegal
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: is illegal, and an arrest is an arrest, don't get
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: me wrong. But it was for trespassing. Not cool for sure,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: But depending on the situation exactly I'm not too sure
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: of the situation would have been a lot worse. Yeah,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: there's a lot worse he could have done. And depending
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: on what he was trespassing on, was it just like
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: some farmers field, Was it an abandoned building or was
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he breaking into someone's house? You know, there's a difference. So, however,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: it would only escalate from there now where he would
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: be arrested for several other misdemeanors over the next eight years.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Now it seems that Richard was taking after his new stepdad, Carl,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: but even if that is the case, it didn't lead
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: him to having a good relationship in any aspect basically.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: So, Okay, this is sort of devastating because I feel
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: like if his dad had not died, that this story
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: probably would not exist.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: That's a very big possibility.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I just don't think he
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: probably would still be like fishing with his dad and
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, my heart, I just can't.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: But such is life. Everyone loses someone eventually, some earlier
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: than others. Yeah, everyone goes through something eventually.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: It's not an excuse.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: It's not an excuse.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm I understand. Shit. Happens, Shit hurts, But that doesn't
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: mean you have to become toxic, you know what I mean.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Everyone deals with things in different ways and that's that's okay,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: But for what he does later on in life, it's
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: still not an excuse. No, no, where am I here now? Okay,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I got it. So Richard hated Carl like their relationship
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: was terrible, and Carl hated Richard and he actually even
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: wanted to kick Richard out of the house because he
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: couldn't stand the sight of him. And he told Richard
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: quote that he was a gutter rat.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, that's great.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Richard fought back in spite of his stepdad,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: and he would this is where we know where he
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: gets at least some of his alcohol. He would break
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: into his liquor cabinet and have his fill on his
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: stepdad's dime. And he'd do this when no one was
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: watching his means of revenge. I mean, it's as best
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: as a young team can do to fight back, right,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: So he drink and then disappear out of the house.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And the family didn't have a ton of money either,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: did they.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: No, definitely not.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Richard's struggles would follow him seemly wherever he would go,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: not necessarily due to circumstances either. He hung out with
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the wrong crowd. He began smoking the Devil's lettuce and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: taking undisclosed pills. He also carried around a switchblade knife
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: on him wherever he went and used it to do
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: break ins. So it's not like he's necessarily being influenced
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: in or cohersed into these things. Did you hear the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: way I said cohursed? Yeah, it was a very emphasis.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I feel like you say it like that. Course, so
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't really do I react?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Do I really?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like so? Yeah, that didn't seem abnormal.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Oh gross, that's like saying cool hip. Oh I go,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: don't do.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: It, okay, well pointed out to you next time?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Please do I need to stop that? That's saying okay.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Back to the case. I think it's safe to assume
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that no one will be surprised if I say he
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: didn't do well in school either.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Though, No, that would makes sense.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. At one point, his vision began to actually decline
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and he needed to have glasses, but he refused to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: wear the glasses, apparently in fear of people staring at
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: him and building up too much anxiety.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: That they would stare more at him because he was
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: wearing glasses.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, he didn't like the idea of wearing glasses because
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: people would look at him. Oh yeah, which I mean
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that's totally sad to hear that, right.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: It is. But maybe back in that in the day,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: like I mean, this is a little bit back in
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the day, not super but maybe people weren't like not
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: everyone were really wore class.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It wasn't a major thing or anything
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: like that. Classes back I mean, glasses were glasses one
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: hundred percent, but it wasn't as prominent. Now as his
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: class did progress, he just fell behind and refused to
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: speak up in class when asked. He just fell behind,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: fell behind, He just didn't want to speak up again
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: because of that anxiety. He had to repeat the eighth grade.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And in nineteen fifty seven, he was in grade nine
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in high school and he failed every single subject and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: he did not return for the second semester. He officially
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: dropped out of school in January of nineteen fifty eight,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: after his.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Sixteenth birthday in grade nine.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: In grade nine, Now, I do want to preface this,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: just like we were kind of talking about the glasses thing.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Ninth grade education in nineteen fifties was still rather educated.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: It's a significant like a significant amount of people didn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: graduate high school in those days. It's not abnormal for
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: people to drop out and pursue work and other endeavors,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you know, after family family, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so ninth
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: grade was rather normal as far as I'm aware. Like
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I know several quote unquote boomers in that era. I
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: don't mean to knock people by saying boomers by any means,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: but like that that generation, you know, I know like
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: my dad, I believe he's either tenth grade or eleventh grade,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but he didn't graduate, and he's a
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: welder fabricator and he went on to have a great career. Yeah,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and he has lots of friends that had the same
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. My mom has friends that didn't graduate
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: high school. Like it's a normal thing for that generation.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: It absolutely was.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, so ninth grade that's not necessarily bad.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But he seemed like he kind of stopped because he was,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: like I have his anxiety and failing everything, and it
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily because he had other commitments that he had
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to meet.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: So his I feel like, his circumstance isn't really great.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: For lack of better words, I guess.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent you're right. He didn't have the same
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: circumstances of it, or he didn't his circumstances were different
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: than most for not finishing high school, right, Yes, so
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: after he did fall out of high school, though, Richard's
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: extracurriculars only escalated into the worse as criminal record expanded
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and he began experimenting with sex workers, which led him
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to develop an unfortunate opinion and view. Women in his
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: eyes were either pure or I for lack of better word,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I guess tainted, like one or the other. Yeah, it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: either like you're good or your shit. Okay, there's no
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: in between.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: For them, Okay, And I do want to talk.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: About this for a minute, and I want to talk
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: about how unfortunately common it seems to be in the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: true crime world male serial killers like developing the ideology
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that promiscuous women are trash and for a lack of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: better word, like from their point of view, not that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I agree with this word or definition or anything at all,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: but for what they view the word whore like, they're
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: viewing these women as as such some people seem to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: get the idea of that if someone doesn't fit their
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: idea of pure, righteous, wholesome or whatever, then they deserve
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to die in their eyes, which is just disgusting.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: It is so there's like two boxes really yeah and only,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: but there's ridiculous amounts of in between.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they feel that they have the right to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: put people in those boxes judge as they see fit.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that they can make that judgment call.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I do have a theory here. I don't
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: think it has anything to do with actually being good, bad, pure, tainted,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: or however you want to word it. I think that
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it's someone finds themselves in a situation where they can
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: take advantage of someone, which means they have some sort
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: of power over the other. Now, when they are in
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: this scenario, they like the power, and they of course
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: they want more, so they decide in that moment that
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I'm better than this person and act out in whatever
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: fantasy they wish and simply as a power hungry move.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I think it has nothing to do with sex. I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: think it has nothing to do with the individuals or anything.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I think it simply has to do with the individual
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: can gain power over said type of people easily, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: they're going to create a logical reason to continue to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: seek out that power.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: So these people in the one box that they have
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: judged are all people that they feel like they can overpower,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that they're better in their mind.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Well, if you take a look at sex workers, they
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: put themselves in a like a very vulnerable position. Okay,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: so the individual who hires a sex worker pays the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: person to be vulnerable. So they're paying them to let
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: me have all the power over you. Yeah, simple as that.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And they like that and they say, Okay, now that
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I have the power, I'm better than you. Yeah, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I just like this.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: All of that is just like disgusting.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely disgusting. But I think that's what's going on
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: with these people when they get in these situations and
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: why sex workers are generally targeted.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Well, then it's just like putting fuel to the fire. Really,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: oh definitely, And the more the more encounters and stuff
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that they have like that, it's just like it's gonna
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: make them worse and worse and worse.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now there are other things at play, like definitely,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: like some sex workers may be living a life where
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: they're a little bit more vagrant and they're not going
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: to be understood if they're actually missing as soon as
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: someone else or deemed what's the what's the best best
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: way to put this, uh, deemed important to search for
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: by police officers or something like that, like you know
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: what I mean, there's other things at play. I think
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: this is just the psychological aspect. So either way, it's
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a whole fucked up situation.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, very much so.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: So anyways, back to this though, Richard had a large
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: history of work, which honestly is rather well documented. But
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not going into a lot of detail about it
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: because in all honesty, we could literally do a whole
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: episode probably just on his resume.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Is work really so this isn't necessarily surprising.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Actually, he hopped job to job to job to job
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: to job quite a bit, and so I don't really
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: want to do that cover a whole episode on his
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: whole freaking resume because mostly just useless information and I
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: can sum it up relatively easy.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine with me.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm basically going to try and cover the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: more important stuff. So from nineteen sixty to nineteen sixty three,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: he would work as a laborer for the seven seven
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: up bottling company in Dallas.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Then in October nineteen sixty one, he would meet a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: young fifteen year old girl while he was working there. Sorry,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: not while he was working there, while he's employed there
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: at the time. Oh yes, outside of work I worded
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: that weird. Sorry. So he's employed by at this company
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: doing this thing, and he goes out to the Texas
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: State Fair and he meets Shirley Annette Malone. Now Shirley
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: is a fifteen year old girl. And by this time,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Richard was twenty years old.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, because I was Okay, how does he Yeah.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: So he's twenty and now picture this. Richard had slicked back,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: slicked back, blonde hair, with a deeply pitted face from
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: like kind of acme scars. He drank, he smoked, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: he had a tattoo on his forearm that read born
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: to raise Hell.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, okay, that actually really fits the whole visual.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: There, I know, right, like I almost picture. I can't
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: remember the guy's name, but one of the guys from Greece. Okay,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: there's one specific character from Greece. I can't remember his name,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: but I believe he's the guy who was He was
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the Dick who who was dancing in the dance contest
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and he stole sandy from Danny or something like that.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I can't remember his name either. Someone
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: will let us know.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: That's guy I'm picturing. Anyways, though, I do think this
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: tattoo was actually a reference to both his own birthday
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and his lifestyle that he led now clearly born to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: raise hell like he thinks he's cool. It's a statement
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: about his life, right, But I do think there's a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: little bit of something else with his birthday in there too. Now.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: The day after his birthday, you see, was the infamous
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: attack on Pearl Harbor during World War Two, So there
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: was a direct quote from Richard in response to the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: question when were you born, and this quote and documentary says,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: day I was born, all hell broke loose the next
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: day hasn't stopped since.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: H wow.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So as kind of like surface level, like skeezy
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the tattoo sounds, I think there's a lot more depth
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to that tattoo, which, not that I respect it, I
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: do think it's kind of cool that it's a little
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: bit more personalized in that way.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm glad you explained that but also
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: he's a dick.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he definitely is. We've hardly even scratched a surface.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I know, and I already really I just like, yeah,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't like I don't like them.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well this want to be greaser. He managed to
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: swoon this fifteen year old Shirley. The two began dating
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: shortly after they met, and only three weeks after they
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: began dating, Shirley got pregnant.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Holy okay, wow, like she's fifteen.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: She's fifteen and now with a child on the way.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: The two did the right thing and decided to stay
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: together and so doing and doing so, they got married
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: on January nineteenth, in nineteen sixty two. I do want
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to say this, there's many ways to raise a child.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: It's not that you have to be together, you have
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to be married. I was worried about writing the sentence
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: multiple times, from like, how can I word this? Best way?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: As long as you're together for the kid, right, that
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: was their intent. So that's why they got married.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Now, Richard may have done the right thing to stay
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: together for raising the child and standing by Shirley's side,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: but that didn't mean he continued to do the right
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: thing going forward?
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, now this is almost more cringe this story.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: The fact that he's a father.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Oh well, his daughter, Robbie Lynn Speck, would be born
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: July fifth in nineteen sixty two, but he wouldn't be
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: around for his wife or daughter, as he was in
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: jail serving a twenty two day sentence for disturbing the
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: peace during a drunken fight.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it wasn't even there for the birth.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: He wasn't right off the bad and the couple's relationship
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: would get extremely rocky in their future. Now Richard would
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: even well, he would earn a living, and he would
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: do so you know, intent to hey, you know, bring
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: home the paycheck, right, But he wouldn't even bring the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: paycheck home. He would go out use it, blow on drugs, alcohol,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and sex workers.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, real winner right here.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And during this time, his whole point of view on women,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you know, whether being pure or not, would continue, and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: he actually began to develop these ideas for his wife,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and he thought he started to picture her and think
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that she was actually having affairs, which led to him thinking,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you know that she is not pure, whatever the hell
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you want to say, So we'll skip all those derogatory terms.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: But beneath what he thought, she swore she wasn't being unfaithful.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: She swore that she was faithful, faithful to only him,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: but he wouldn't believe her.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, he doesn't do anything, does he?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Well, he does a lot, but we're gonna get on her.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: No, okay, because I was like, that's the mom of
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: his kid.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Well he does, well, he does, and he doesn't. We're
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: gonna touch on to this.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Care I don't want to. Yeah, sorry, jumping ahead here.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: What he would what he would do. He would blow
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: his money on sex workers and drive by their house,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: park outside and begin lude acts so his wife could see,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and then he would speed off into the note what.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: The actual shit? Yes, you're serious?
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: That serious.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: That is one of the most fucked up things I've
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: ever heard.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So the relationship got worse where he did
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: begin to do brutal things to her.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: This person is a nasty motherfucker.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Oh he is. He's a douche canoe in a half.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: She was eventually living with a monster. Over the years,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: she began to live in fear of him and what
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: he was capable capable of. She claims it got to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the point where she was terrified for her life as
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: he would rape her at knife point multiple times a day,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: up to five times a day.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, wow wow, Yes, I hate this.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yes. Now, by the age of twenty four, this is
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: jumping ahead a little bit here, and we're going to
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: kind of fill in the gaps. But by the age
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: of twenty four, Richard will be arrested a total of
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: forty one times.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Well, my gosh, they need to keep him in jail.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: This person needs to stay in jail. Yes, what the
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: frig now? Richard's probation officer once stated when he's drinking,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: he will fight or threaten anybody as long as he
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: has a knife or a gun. When he's sober or unarmed,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: he couldn't face down a mouse. Huh. So, I mean
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: you like, alcohol does bring down a lot of bear
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: or like barriers, would that be the right word.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It makes a lot of people think they can do
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of shit, it does.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean also they say somethings, it's your
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: true self.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I like to put it in the way of like
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: hold my beer complex, like you know, like I can
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: do that hold my beer. Yeah, whether it's I can
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: win this fight, or hey, you know I can do
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: a three sixty jump back flip off a swing set,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: whatever the case. Hold my beer, you know, gives you
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that confidence. Yeah, so, yeah, that's clearly what it did
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: to Richard. It's not an uncommon way to describe him
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: at all, a coward gutlass whether when he had a weapon,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you know, he had power. So some of his criminal
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: history would include. On July of nineteen sixty three, at
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the age of twenty one, he was sentenced to serve
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: three year term in prison after being convicted of forgering
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and casing a coworker's forty four dollars pay check, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: then robbing a grocery store for cigarettes, beer, and three
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: dollars in.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Cat Oh my gosh.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: He would only serve sixteen months, but his freedom only
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: lasted a week after it was out because he was
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: arrested again on January of ninth, nineteen sixty five, when
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: he attacked a woman in a parking lot of her
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: apartment building. He wielded a seventeen inch carving knife.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Oholy, yeah what.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: However, even though she was at knife point, she managed
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to scream enough that he ran away. Police showed up
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: quickly enough, and they were able to track him down
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: via her description only a few blocks away.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, and see it's probably it's going to just be
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: getting worse here. But I breakin hate stories like this. Yeah,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: where the person if like he just was kept in jail, yep,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: like so much would just be prevented.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Yep. Oh, you're right, you're one hundred percent right. That's
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: how this story goes.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I know, I know where it's going. Like this is
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: not good yep.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: So from this, he was convicted of aggravated assault and
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: he was sentenced to sixteen months. However, due to an error,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: he was released in just six months later upon completing
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: his parole violence sent violation sentence from the other one. Wow,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: because they were supposed to apparently compile on each other,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: but it only ended up that he served the remainder
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of his parole base. Yeah, so that's cool.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Not no.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: But then he would work for three months as a
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: driver for the Patterson Meat Company, where he had multiple
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: accidents with their work truck, and he would be fired
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: for not showing up for work one day.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Well I'm sure that was the last all.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I can't believe not showing up for work is what
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: got him fired, though, I think like multiple accidents in
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: the work.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Vehicle, that was probably the last.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as the safety guy, I don't know's that's something
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be able to look past just saying.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: In January of nineteen sixty six, Richard's wife would eventually
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: file for divorce and she would get full custody.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Of the Yes by the girl.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. By this time they were separated for a few months,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: but she had filed for divorce officially, which is great.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: He had the month prior to their divorce, moved in
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: with a twenty nine year old ex professional wrestler.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was a bartender at his favorite bar,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Jenny's Lounge. He found work babysitting her three kids for
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, that should not be anything that he does for work.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: You say, like he shouldn't be around kids basically, Yeah.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Like he should not be a babysitter.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not. Not long after this, Richard would stab
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a man in a knife fight at Jenny's Lounge. He
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: was charged with again aggravated assault, but a defense attorney
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: hired by his mother got the charge reduced to disturbing
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the peace.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now Richard's mother being involved began to become a theme.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: She was often bailing him out of jail or hiring
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: attorneys as needed, basically coming to his defense, you know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like ms Beck and call damn near.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Which I'm almost a little bit surprised, but I mean,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: grant you that is her son.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like they once had this broken relationship,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: you know, between the two of them, like when Richard
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: was young. It's now become patched and back to what
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it was prior to sort of thing.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because he's a kid that needs the attention exactly. Yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And with Richard's point of view on women, you're either
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: good or you're not, he had this ideal idea that
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: his mother was like a damn near saint, right because
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: before she wasn't and now she's they've fixed it and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: she is good again in his books. So with his
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: mom in his corner now bailing him out whenever he needed,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: he just walked away and committed crime after crime after crime,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: just simply committing to commit, continuing to commit, or committing
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: to commit. I guess actually that works.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Too, slipping through the crack. So as he went, yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: On March fifth of nineteen sixty six, he robbed a
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: grocery store, stealing seventy cartons of cigarettes, which then he
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: proceeded to sell out of the trunk of his car
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: in that grocery store is parking lot.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Like I almost I just yeah, I'm just not going
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to say anything because I have to hold back my laughter.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, that's it is. Honestly. The polast would actually
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: trace his abandoned car and set out a warrant for
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: his arrest, but he skipped down before they could get
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to him. This would have been his forty second arrest
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: if it was made. Wow yep. So instead of going
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to jail again, though, he would make his way to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: his childhood home in Monmouth, Illinois. On April second, Richard
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to be caught red handed as he was robbing a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: home of a sixty five year old woman named Miss
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Virgil Harris. It was one am and she was just
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: returning home from a babysitting job when she found Richard
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: inside her home.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Geese.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: There stood this six foot tall, greasy douche canoe motherfucker
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: with a knife in his hand. So apparently he gently
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and politely tied her up with shreds of her housecoat
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: as he cut from the fabric, and he assured her
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: that he wasn't going to hurt her. All she needed
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to do was comply with his demands. Then he raped her,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: ransacked her house, and stole the two dollars and fifty
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: cents that she made babysitting that evening before leaving and
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: going off into the night.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Seriously, Hey, yes, holy shit, this guy is fucking disgusting.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Oh he is. The woman would later describe her its
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: attacker as this six foot tall white male who was
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: very polite and spoke very softly with a Southern draw.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Now this description didn't fit many people in the Illinois
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: area and immediately put Richard under suspicion with his Southern draw.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Police spoke with him briefly, but before they were able
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: to really you make anything happen, he skipped down.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I knew that was coming.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A week later, Mary Kathlyn Pierce, a thirty two
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: year old barmaid, was last seen leaving a bar that
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: she worked at at around twelve twenty am on April ninth.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: On April thirteenth, she was officially reported miss and then
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: later that day her body was found behind the bar
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: she worked at. She had died from a severe blow
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: to her stomach, which had rubbed her her liver.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Now police knew Richard frequented the bar, and they showed
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: up to question him. Where he was staying. He was,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: once again already gone. I search for his hotel room
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: that he was staying at. The police found a radio
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: and costume jewelry that the sixty five year old Miss
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: virgin Harris had reporting missing from her house, as well
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: as items reported missing in a few other local burglaries
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: in the previous month.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: So do they know? Do we know that he killed
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: that woman?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Or it's just like speculation, it's I don't think it's confirmed,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: but it's basically yeah, he pretty much did. Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, like I'm sorry, but just skipping town shouldn't
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: be getting you away legit, like make you be able
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: to get away with the shit, should it? Well it
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't nowadays.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: No, but nowadays it's a lot easier to get information
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: out there. It's a lot harder to hide, you know
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: what I mean?
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: That's true, But I'm getting pissed.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now where did I leave off here? Okay? Right? Okay,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: so April nineteenth of nineteen sixty six, Richard went to
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: stay with his sister Martha and her family. He told
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: them when he arrived that the mafia was after him
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: because they were trying to wrangle him into selling narcotics.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And he refused.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's at.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Exactly, which now meant they were after him. So he's he's,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: you know, turning over a leaf. He's a good guy, so,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you know what, helping out her brother and this sort
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: of stuff. So he stayed there with her. Now, through
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: his brother in law, Richard found work on board a
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: freight ship, but it didn't last too long, of course,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: just like everything else. His first time out at sea,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: he was actually found on the ship buckled over in pain,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: holding his stomach. He was immediately taken by the US
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Coast Guard via helicopter to Saint Joseph Hospital in Hancock, Michigan,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and was diagnosed with appendicitis. According to the doctor, another
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: hour or so and it probably would have ruptured and
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Made it, no comment fair enough.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: After the emergency surgery, he recovered and returned to work.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: But just like most things, like I said, it didn't
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: last too long. He would get himself into trouble on
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: several occasions, you know, getting drunk, taking pills and fighting
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: on board ship, that sort of stuff. He would even
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: expose himself to crew members and on two occasions or sorry,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: on one occasion, he actually fell overboard, but he would
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: ultimately get ultimately get let go when he pulled a
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: knife on one of his superiors the ship, one of
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the ship's.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Officers that would probably do it, probably gave it. There's
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: two incidents. He's freaking appendicitis and falling overboard. God does
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: this person like, Wow, does he have any sort of
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know, luck, Like, how is he surviving?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: He's clearly got luck on his side, that's for sure.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: He shouldn't.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean not to say that anyone deserves death.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: That's not where I'm going to go with That's.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Not what I'm saying either. But I mean, I.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Know what you're saying. It's if this individual didn't have
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: luck on his side, it could have saved others lives.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: That's what we're ultimately getting, not that anyone deserves to die.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's all I want to say about that. Now.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Regarding his loss of job on this ship, though, his
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: union officer actually told Richard that he was willing and
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: confident that he could get Richard his job back, but
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Richard declined, telling him that he just didn't understand.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: How on earth would he have thought he could get
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: his job back.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: But okay, damn good union officer, I guess, but Richard declined,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: you know what he's saying, You don't understand. You don't understand.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: And assumably Richard knew that like the union arbitration or whatever,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: would potentially dig up too much of his past history,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: you know, his forty one arrests, his open warrants in
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: other states, something he didn't want an employer or anyone
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: else to know about.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: So he was being smart there. Really.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he was without a job, and luckily for him,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: he actually befriended a nurse while he was in the
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: hospital with his appendicitis. Now, this was Judy Lacamanani. I
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: think I said that name right, Really, hope I did.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: A twenty eight year old nurse aid. Now, Richard was
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: apparently extremely kind to her and would take her out
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: for nice dinners during their time together. Now, perhaps this
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: was the only time in life where he was a
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: rather decent human being because she swears up and down
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: he was a great guy.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: So on June twenty seventh, Judy would actually give Richard
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: eighty dollars now that he's out of work, to help
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: out while he continued to look for another job. But
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: it didn't really help, as it just gave him a
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: and a reason to not find work for the next two.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Weeks because he had money to be buying booze and stuff.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: He had money to bum around.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah h No.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Richard was staying with his sister still and was just
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: being a lump on the couch drinking and reading comic books.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: But by July eleventh, he had overstayed his welcome. His
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: bags were packed and he was on his way out
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: the door. His brother in law drove him to the
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: NMU Hiring Hall to find work. There, he found a
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: room and stayed the night about a mile away. In
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the morning, he headed over to see what he could
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: find for work. By noon, he was assigned on board
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: another ship, so he headed to his new job that
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: was just about thirty minutes away. But when he arrived
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: things had changed. His job had actually already been filled
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: and he was again left without work. And that is
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: shitty it is, and needless to say, Richard was pissed.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I'd be pissed. Yeah, I showed up for a job
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: and I didn't actually have it.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: But it's freaking shocking. I mean, background checks and shit
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: not a thing then, Eh, not so.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Much, no, I mean back in those days, it's like,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: do you have a pair of work boots? Great, get
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: well work.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: And we're getting in to that a little bit again.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Pretty a lot of people are really not able to
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: find employees and stuff anymore.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird time, actually it is. But needless
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: to say, though, there was nothing Richard could do about it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: So we went back to the hiring hall. But by
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: the time he got back to the hall it was
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: closed again, so he would have to wait another day
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: and do it all over. But this time he didn't
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: have enough money to get another room, so he found
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: some shelter for the night in an unfinished house and
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: again returned to the hiring hall the next morning. He
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: was livid when he got back to the hall. You know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: of course, he's pissed they sent about on this wasted
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: his time whatever it is, right, so he couldn't find
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: any more work. Still that day, and his sister had
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: actually driven down that day too to see how he
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: was doing. She took him for a drive in her
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: car and they talked for about thirty minutes, and they
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: parked at East one hundred Street, across the street from
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: some townhouses where these nursing students were living. His sister
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: gave him twenty five dollars in the meantime, but he
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: kind of was done with the hiring hall, so he
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: left and he walked about one half miles east to
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: check in to a nearby shipyard inn. He's got a
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: room for the night, and there he kind of remained
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the day, drowning his sorrows in
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: a nearby bar. But there was a woman at the
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: bar that had caught his eye while he was drinking.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: This woman was fifty three year old Ella May Hooper.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Now Richard watched her as he sipped from his glass.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: As she left, so did he. Then she would walk
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: away and hit up another bar, and so did he. Unknowingly,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: she had Richard tailing her as she went from place
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: to place. Then, unexpectedly, when he saw his chance, he
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: approached her and took her by knife point up to
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: his room. Wow there, he raped her and stole a
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: black twenty two caliber rote him pistol from her purse.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: As we know with Richard, he's a bit of a coward,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: but when he gets a weapon in his hands, he
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: becomes power hungry. And up until now he's only ever
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: really had a knife on him.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was going to say, has he had
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: a gun on him prior too?
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Not as much as we know. In the past few days,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: he's kind of been at his breaking point. Decline from job,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: decline from job, kicked from his sister's place, he's just
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: sleeping under the stars, basically trying to find somewhere where
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: he can get some shelter for the night. He's not
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: doing too well, so in his head he had a plan.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So he dressed himself up in all black with his
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: knife and newly acquired pistol. Then he went out for
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: a few more drinks until ten twenty pm to build
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: up his courage. Then he started walking to that nearby
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: nursing townhouse at twenty three nineteen East one hundred Street,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: And that's where we're going to stop this episode.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, the one that he was like
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: when he was with his sister that he saw. Yes,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: and you're stopping in there, yes, okay, okay, okay.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: So to sum this up, Richard went through one hell
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: of a life so far. He really did. I'm not
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: going to take that away from him. He had a
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: shit upbringing.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: He's had a hard time, he's.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Had a very hard time. But also he brought a
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: lot of hard times onto himself. He did a lot
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: of absolutely horrendous things, and he's about to do something
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: even more horrendous.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine because look at
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: what he's already done.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Wow, wow, wow wow.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: So if you want to hear what happens next, you'll
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: have to listen next time on Wicked and Graham, we're
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: gonna set the next episode out on Tuesday, as we
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: generally always do a little bit late on this week, but.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: So that means a little bit less of a wait.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Exactly, there you go, words right out of my mouth.
• 56:11
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• 56:15
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