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Credlin | 12 February · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you christ and of course Sky News will be
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  Speaker 2: here from about eight o'clock tomorrow morning, including my good
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  Speaker 2: self as we go through the motions yet again for
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal leadership in Canberra. Good evening, Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: It is a big show tonight. Here's what's coming out
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  Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. Explosive new claims of corruption on Victoria's
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  Speaker 2: Big Build during the time that the Premier was the
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  Speaker 2: minister in charge. Just sent to Alan today trying to
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  Speaker 2: dodge a question, doing a bit of a Dan Andrews
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  Speaker 2: blocking pressure to come clean as taxpayers appear to have
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  Speaker 2: lost fifteen billion dollars in secret payoffs funneled into the
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  Speaker 2: hands of crooks and unionists. We'll speak to the last
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  Speaker 2: head of the Building watchdog, the former commissioner, John Lloyd
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  Speaker 2: on the show. More details to today too of how
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  Speaker 2: COVID foreign interference is allegedly operating in Australia. Someone charged
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  Speaker 2: as the Chinese spy. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
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  Speaker 2: Later to the international fallout from radical politics as New
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  Speaker 2: York Mayor Zoro Maamdami pushes an Islamic interpretation of open
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  Speaker 2: borders and the latest twists and turns in the Epstein staga.
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  Speaker 2: But as important as all that is, all eyes tonight
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  Speaker 2: are on Canberra and tomorrow morning in the countdown to
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor's push to remove Susan Lee at a Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Party room meeting now confirmed for the morning.
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  Speaker 3: We are in a crisis. We are doing this for
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  Speaker 3: the Liberal Party. We are doing this for the Australian people.
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  Speaker 2: If you've been watching Scyne News, you know it is
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  Speaker 2: on the challenge to Susan Lee's leadership at the Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Party that's been brewing ever since her disastrous mishandling at
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  Speaker 2: the hate speech legislation. It made it so much worse
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  Speaker 2: by the party's the death spiral in the polls.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: If you think that sounds dramatic, the death spiral bit,
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  Speaker 2: well it's real. Listen to these comments from the well
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  Speaker 2: respected James Patterson earlier today as he resigned from Lee's
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  Speaker 2: front bench.
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  Speaker 5: At the last election, which was the coalition's most devastating defeat,
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  Speaker 5: almost five million Australians voted for US. They put their
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  Speaker 5: trust in US. Over the last nine months, according to
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  Speaker 5: the most recent opinion polls, two point one million of
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  Speaker 5: those people have since deserted the coalition. That's more than
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  Speaker 5: two hundred thousand votes a month. It's more than fifty
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  Speaker 5: thousand votes a week. It's more than seven thousand votes
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  Speaker 5: a day. This cannot go on. If it goes on,
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  Speaker 5: There'll be nothing left of the Liberal Party ya the
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  Speaker 5: next election. It's for those reasons that this morning I
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  Speaker 5: tended my resignation to Susan Lee as to the leader
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  Speaker 5: of Liberal Party, Susan.
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  Speaker 2: Lee Pattison, of course, follows the resignation night of Angus
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  Speaker 2: Taylor and more. Today have walked Tasvanian Liberal Claire Chandler,
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  Speaker 2: John o'dunnheam and the Senator's well Phil Thompson, who will
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  Speaker 2: move tomorrow's spill motion in the party room and I'll
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  Speaker 2: speak to him shortly. Matt O'Sullivan iiO late this afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Tian, Michalia Cash and more, all MPs who said
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  Speaker 2: this must come to a head. We are drifting towards
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  Speaker 2: oblivion under the current leadership, and doing nothing is no
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  Speaker 2: longer an option. As Patterson said, this cannot go on.
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  Speaker 2: If it goes on, there will be nothing left of
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party by the next election. This morning, Taylor
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  Speaker 2: released a short clip on social media that's worth watching in.
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  Speaker 6: Fum our country is in trouble. The Labor Government has
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  Speaker 6: failed and the Liberal Party has lost its way. I'm
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  Speaker 6: running to be the leader of the Liberal Party because
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  Speaker 6: I believe that Australia is worth fighting for. I believe
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  Speaker 6: we need strong and decisive leadership that gives Australians clarity,
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  Speaker 6: courage and confidence in providing a vision for the future.
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  Speaker 6: We must start by holding this failing Labor government to
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  Speaker 6: account for their total mismanagement of our country and advocate
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  Speaker 6: for solutions to the problems that Australians are facing. I'm
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  Speaker 6: dedicated to serving you, the Australian people, and giving you
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  Speaker 6: a strong alternative that re enlivens the great Australian dream.
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  Speaker 6: I'm committing myself to the cause of restoring our party
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  Speaker 6: so that it can be the party that Australians expect
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  Speaker 6: and deserve, because we're running out of time and Australia
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  Speaker 6: is worth fighting for.
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  Speaker 4: You're not wrong, You're running out of time.
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  Speaker 2: It's no secret there must be a change at the top,
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  Speaker 2: and that Angus Taylor is the best of the options
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  Speaker 2: they have at present. You got a question though why
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  Speaker 2: he would even want it, because the mess they're in
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  Speaker 2: and the job are hand, to be honest, is daunting.
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  Speaker 2: At one level, the next leader of the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 2: has an impossible task, denied a fractured party, maintain a
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  Speaker 2: disparate coalition, articulate strong alternative policies, revitalizes of moribund Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Party organization, win back disgruntled former supporters if he can,
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  Speaker 2: and withstand vicious abuse from the Green left establishment plus
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  Speaker 2: a politically dominant, indeed arrogant Labor Party. At another level, though,
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  Speaker 2: a sullen electorate buffeted by falling living standards, fracturing social cohesion,
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  Speaker 2: and a sense that the world is dangerously upside down
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  Speaker 2: could readily turn a deeply underwhelming and weak prime minister
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  Speaker 2: and an arrogant and incompetent government. It could turn them
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  Speaker 2: and put them into trouble. The Prime Minister, after all,
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  Speaker 2: is hardly untouchable. His divisive indigenous voice was resounding defeated,
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  Speaker 2: and his treatment of anti Semitism is a political problem
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  Speaker 2: to be managed awigh, rather than a moral evil to
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  Speaker 2: be eradicated. Created the environment for our worst ever terror attack.
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  Speaker 2: All it should take to put this government this weak
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  Speaker 2: government under serious pressure is an articulate and reasonably energetic,
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  Speaker 2: clear and consistent critic of a poor government who also
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  Speaker 2: has a vision for Australia where people can get ahead
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  Speaker 2: and buy a home, where immigrations brought under control, with
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  Speaker 2: those who come here expected demanded to join Team Australia,
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  Speaker 2: where our abundant natural resources are dug up and fairly developed,
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  Speaker 2: and where all Australians are encouraged to take pride in
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  Speaker 2: what still is, for the time being, the best country
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  Speaker 2: on earth. If the next Liberal leader were to tell
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  Speaker 2: Australians that we are let down. We are great people,
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  Speaker 2: but we are let down by a bad government, millions
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  Speaker 2: millions would cheer, provided they are confident that the next
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  Speaker 2: alternative Prime minister knows what is bloody doing and means
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  Speaker 2: what he says, and provided that Liberal leaders also ready
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  Speaker 2: to admit that the Libs have to do better, that
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  Speaker 2: a weak Liberal party has been part of the problem,
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  Speaker 2: and that ends from here on in. Because as much
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  Speaker 2: as we want a better government, people also want a
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  Speaker 2: better opposition to and they want some contrition from the
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  Speaker 2: Libs that they have pulled the wrong rein and that
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  Speaker 2: they are now listing now. If Taylor wins as expected tomorrow,
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  Speaker 2: he will get one shot at this.
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  Speaker 4: So my advice to Taylor, You've.
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  Speaker 2: Got to go for broke and that front bench you've
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  Speaker 2: got now or Susan Lee's got now, it needs a
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  Speaker 2: cleanout because when Taylor puts together his team, they can
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  Speaker 2: only you one qualification for a frontline position, not how
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  Speaker 2: close you are or how much of a mate he is.
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  Speaker 2: Not personal friendships, not factional solidarity, but a relentless determination
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  Speaker 2: to fight. Taylor's team must be twenty four to seven
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  Speaker 2: focused on developing credible policy, telling us why they're liberal,
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  Speaker 2: why it matters to join the liberal side, taking the
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  Speaker 2: fight up to the government, and communicating simply and clearly
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  Speaker 2: every single day with the public. Now, he can't reward
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  Speaker 2: supporters if they're not up to it, nor can he
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  Speaker 2: afford to needcap enemies that have got talent and work ethic,
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  Speaker 2: because I tell you what talent and work ethic are.
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  Speaker 2: In short supply, you can't sideline potential rivals as Lee did.
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  Speaker 2: That means hasty and just enterprise of the right need
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  Speaker 2: a frontline job. So do does Ted O'Brien and Tim
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  Speaker 2: Wilson on the left. Because to the extent that they succeed,
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  Speaker 2: so does Taylor. My instinct is that developing policy will
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  Speaker 2: be the least of Taylor's worries. He's the most economically
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  Speaker 2: literate person in the Parliament and clearly understands housing, energy, immigration,
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  Speaker 2: budget inflation and all the productivity challenges we face as
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  Speaker 2: a country. The danger will be lapsing into economic jargon
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  Speaker 2: and over analyzing issues rather than delivering a hard hitting
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  Speaker 2: exposure of the government's failings with a way forward that
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  Speaker 2: every Australian can understand and sign up to now. Unlike
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, who infamously equipped that he didn't think people
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  Speaker 2: cared much about woke, Taylor knows these issues like our
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  Speaker 2: flag matter. Likewise, the government's weak stand on anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 2: radical Islam and gender It can't avoid the culture wars
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  Speaker 2: as this is the ground that one nation has stripped
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  Speaker 2: away from the Liberal Party. So Angus Taylor must take
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  Speaker 2: all of these issues head on after delivering their supporters
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  Speaker 2: a decade plus of disappointment. I get it, it's eleven
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  Speaker 2: minutes to midnight for the Liberal Party, but anyone who
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  Speaker 2: believes in stable politics and better government in Australia should
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  Speaker 2: wish Taylor. Well, now, look, the latest revelations about Australia's
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  Speaker 2: worst union CFVERU just show the desperate need we have
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  Speaker 2: in this country for better and cleaner government to recap.
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  Speaker 2: After an explosive July twenty twenty four sixteen minutes report
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  Speaker 2: into the cfvu's criminal activities and organized crime links, the
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  Speaker 2: almen Easy government was forced to appoint an administrator to
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  Speaker 2: run the union. The man they appointed, Mark Irving Case,
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  Speaker 2: then went along and sacked numerous corrupt officials As part
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  Speaker 2: of ongoing investigations. The new South Wales barrister turned corruption
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  Speaker 2: buster Jeffrey Watson sc undertook an eighteen month probe into
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  Speaker 2: the cwu's Victorian branch. As The Age reported earlier this week,
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  Speaker 2: Watson's report found that the Victorian labor government had quote
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  Speaker 2: turned a blind eye to CFMU grafted an organized crime
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  Speaker 2: on infrastructure projects, including federally funded sites, at a cost
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  Speaker 2: to taxpayers wait for it, fifteen billion dollars fifteen billions,
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  Speaker 2: fifteen billion and he says. Watson says this is a
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  Speaker 2: conservative estimate. Some say it could be as high as
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  Speaker 2: thirty billion. Of the blowouts because contractors had been forced
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  Speaker 2: to employ labor nominated by organized crime and biky gangs.
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  Speaker 2: Now watson report also stated, and I quote much of
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  Speaker 2: that fifteen billion has been poured directly into the hands
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  Speaker 2: of criminals. Watson concluded the Victorian government knew that the
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  Speaker 2: state's massive rail and road projects were infected by corrupt
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  Speaker 2: CFMU officials working with organized crime figures and bikis, but
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  Speaker 2: chose to look the other way. As the guardian of
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  Speaker 2: public money, said Watson, quote, the governments had a duty
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  Speaker 2: to know. It was a duty to monitor delays and
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  Speaker 2: cost blowouts. There is no doubt, he said, the government
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  Speaker 2: knew about the rising problem, but he said, quote, it
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  Speaker 2: was equally clear the government did nothing about it. In
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  Speaker 2: other words, a terrible indictment of Victorian labor and the
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  Speaker 2: premier because don't forget as Minister under Dan Andrews just
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  Speaker 2: into Allen was respond this big build, but it gets worse.
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  Speaker 2: You almost didn't get to hear about this fifteen billion
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  Speaker 2: dollar corruption scandal because the Albin Eazy government's hand pick administrator,
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  Speaker 2: the bloke I mentioned earlier, Mark Irvine Hype. Irving instructed
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  Speaker 2: Watson to remove these specific sections from his report because
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  Speaker 2: he says he was not satisfied that they were well
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  Speaker 2: founded or properly tested. And remember what I said about
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  Speaker 2: Watson's background a long standing barrister, an sc and the
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  Speaker 2: only reason you know about it now is because of
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  Speaker 2: a separate Queensland Royal Commission into the c of MEU.
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  Speaker 2: That Royal Commission, with all of its powers, subpoenaed these
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  Speaker 2: documents and that's what finally forced the administrator Albanese's man
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  Speaker 2: Mark Irving to release the full version that we are
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  Speaker 2: talking about today. Now, this is a scandal that should
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  Speaker 2: see labor Head's role, including the Victorian Premiere. And yet
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  Speaker 2: after hiding from the media yesterday, the Premier emerged today
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  Speaker 2: with the usual Dan Andrews tactic of verbaling journalists and
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  Speaker 2: claiming that there's nothing to see here.
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  Speaker 7: That claim of any amount has not been well tested
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  Speaker 7: or properly founded, as said by the Administrator. When allegations
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  Speaker 7: were raised with me, they were referred to the relevant
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  Speaker 7: authorities and I'm not going to cut across the work
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  Speaker 7: of those independent law enforcement agencies nor their investigations.
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  Speaker 2: That claim she talks about there as if it comes
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  Speaker 2: from a tabloid journalist, is material via a high ranking
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  Speaker 2: barrister who has many decades of corruption experience anti corruption
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  Speaker 2: experience in a sober report he has presented to government
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  Speaker 2: that's not flippant as she intimates.
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  Speaker 4: There.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, at every level, Labor's still running a protection
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  Speaker 2: racket for the CFMU because it's one of the ALP's
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  Speaker 2: biggest donors, routinely giving Labor and its campaigns millions, as
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  Speaker 2: well as providing hundreds of officials and organizers to help
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  Speaker 2: run Labour's election campaigns at the grassroot level. Now, later
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  Speaker 2: tonight I'll be talking to John Lloyd who used to
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  Speaker 2: run He was the Commissioner of the Australian Building and
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  Speaker 2: Construction Commission. This is the building industry watchdog that was
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  Speaker 2: abolished as soon as Albanezi got his feet under the
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  Speaker 2: desk in Canberra. How many inquiries and royal commissions will
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  Speaker 2: it take to get the criminals out of one of
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  Speaker 2: our biggest industries. How many times do taxpayers need to
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  Speaker 2: hear about the billions and billions being funneled into the
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  Speaker 2: hands of crooks of what they vote out Labor and
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  Speaker 2: start the job of cleaning up the broken and corrupt
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  Speaker 2: state of Victoria.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go back to camera.
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  Speaker 2: We will be in and out of camera all night,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll go there now with our political reporter Ribbon Spargo.
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  Speaker 1: The Liberal leadership contest will take place tomorrow morning. Angus
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  Speaker 1: Taylor is set to challenge Susan Lee for the top job.
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  Speaker 1: He released a video on social media pitching directly to voters.
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  Speaker 6: I believe we need strong and decisive leadership that gives
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  Speaker 6: Australians clarity, courage and confidence in providing a vision for
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  Speaker 6: the future.
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  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor was the first to quit the Shadow ministry,
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  Speaker 1: and then departures gathered Pace Jonathan Dunniam, James Patterson and
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  Speaker 1: Michalia Cash, all stepping down. Shadow ministers Phil Thompson and
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  Speaker 1: Jess Collins delivered a letter to the Opposition whip calling
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  Speaker 1: for a spill.
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  Speaker 3: We are doing this for the Liberal Party, we are
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  Speaker 3: doing this for the Australian people.
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  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor supporters insists he has the numbers, but Susan
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  Speaker 1: Lee's offer says he'll have to defeat her in a ballot.
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  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister maintains his government is committed to improving
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  Speaker 1: the lives of Indigenous Australians, despite ongoing failures to meet
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  Speaker 1: closing the gap targets just four of the nineteen agreed
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  Speaker 1: to five years ago are on track. In his annual address,
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Alberici announced a new plan aimed at moving Indigenous
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  Speaker 1: people into secure employment. Nearly three hundred million dollars has
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  Speaker 1: been allocated to transition six thousand people from work for
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  Speaker 1: the doll programs into jobs with wages and superannuation. Our
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  Speaker 1: government is not contemplating failure.
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  Speaker 8: We are determined to succeed.
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  Speaker 1: The plan has broad bipartisan support.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get straight into it. The news, the
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  Speaker 2: day and so much more than just that leadership spill.
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  Speaker 2: We will start there though, bringing in my panel. Skyne
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  Speaker 2: is contributed curly Captain Barness and the host of the
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  Speaker 2: Power Hour on Sky News Digital, Gabrielle Power.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start with I think the best analysis I've seen
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  Speaker 2: today is Senator Patterson and again the iron law of
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  Speaker 2: arithmetic here, Carole. He discussed exactly where the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 2: vote according to published polls, has deteriorated since it's historic low.
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  Speaker 2: We thought it was a lower back then, much lower
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  Speaker 2: now in May last year. I played his grab of
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  Speaker 2: those numbers a bit earlier, but he also made I
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  Speaker 2: thought this very strong point on the question of gender.
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  Speaker 4: Have a listen, Senator.
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  Speaker 9: If Susan Lee is taken out today, the burden that
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  Speaker 9: you will carry is that you will have brought down
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  Speaker 9: the Liberal Party's first federal leader.
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  Speaker 4: Does that way heavily on you?
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  Speaker 9: Sorry, female leader, Just that way heavily on you.
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  Speaker 5: Look, some people have been making this argument over the
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  Speaker 5: last couple of days. My observation would be that that
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  Speaker 5: argument was not successful for Julia Gillard in the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 5: I don't it will be successful for Susan Lee in
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  Speaker 5: the Liberal Party. Political leaders are judged on their performance,
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  Speaker 5: not on their gender.
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  Speaker 2: I'll make the point to people at home that was
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  Speaker 2: a journalist's former ABC journalist, Now he's on commercial TV,
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Probe and asking that question about gender, Caroly, I'll
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  Speaker 2: get your broader view on things. But I don't remember
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Probe and ever asking that question of people who
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  Speaker 2: were moving against Julia Gillard removing the first female prime minister.
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  Speaker 4: But there we are once on the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Probably always of their sentiment, but in terms of the
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  Speaker 2: analysis put out there by James Patterson, hard to disagree with.
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  Speaker 4: Any of it is there.
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  Speaker 8: Now and look he's spot on. I mean the thing
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  Speaker 8: Susan Lee. She just failed to outline to the Australian
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  Speaker 8: people what she believed in and what she was going
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  Speaker 8: to do to make their lives better. To go into
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  Speaker 8: politics in the first place, you need a spark, You
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  Speaker 8: need something that will spur you on to want to
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  Speaker 8: go in to improve people's lives. We saw she's had
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  Speaker 8: twenty five years in Parliamentraline this a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 8: I still don't know what she stands for. I know
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  Speaker 8: the soft fluffy stuff that she's a grandma and she
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  Speaker 8: knows how to fly, and she's got two Wes's in
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  Speaker 8: her name and into numerology. I don't know what she
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  Speaker 8: stands for. And we saw that within the first couple
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  Speaker 8: of days she blew up the coalition. We also saw
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  Speaker 8: she removed three very good people I won't say women,
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  Speaker 8: but they are you know, Sarah Henderson, just Center Price,
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  Speaker 8: Jane Hume. They were doing the work in their portfolios,
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  Speaker 8: shadow portfolios. She removed them, completely blindsided them. We then
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  Speaker 8: saw Andrew Hasty, one of the most passionate performers and
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  Speaker 8: well credential performers in shadow cabinet. He went to the
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  Speaker 8: back bench. The thing is to be an effective leader.
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  Speaker 8: You've actually got to appreciate the people in your team
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  Speaker 8: around you, and they're the ones that lift you up
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  Speaker 8: and make you actually palatable to the Australian people. All
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  Speaker 8: we've seen is disaster. After nine months, she's had long enough.
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  Speaker 8: The coalition was blinn up for a second time and
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  Speaker 8: it's not good and it actually show is somebody show
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  Speaker 8: Susan Lee is treating the Liberal Party like a private company.
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  Speaker 8: She's trying to micromanage everything I said three weeks ago
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  Speaker 8: she should have had the decency to write out a
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  Speaker 8: resignation letter and step down. And every week that goes by,
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  Speaker 8: every day, more and more votes are going over to
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  Speaker 8: one nation. It is always about the policy and the
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  Speaker 8: articulation of the policy. And I hope that should Anger's
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: Taylor win tomorrow. He takes note, reads the good and
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: the bad, but actually hits that ground running with some
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: great policies and gets a really effective front bench.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Gabe.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: On that front bench point, you will have heard my
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: comments because it's one thing to change the leader that
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: you've got to spill that entire front bench.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: You've got to start again.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: He's got to make sure it's not factional mates to
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: get a job, but he doesn't just turn over the
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: names that we all expect to see, even if they
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: haven't performed. I have been shocked all week, actually by
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the number of people I've seen pop up in sky
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: shadow ministers that say, oh, I had a policy, it
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: was just ready to go, or one was going to
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: come out next week, or I've been doing this.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't believe one word of that.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: There's been nothing come out of anyone's office, as least
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: of all the leader's office.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: For nine months.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: So they are being punished not just because they've got
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: a bad leader who hasn't retailed and resonated with people.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: They're being punished because they've got a whole lot of
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: people on the front bench who are absolutely lazy and
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: don't deserve the gig. And I'd basically send half of
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: them to the back bench and promote those that are
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: hungry and getting out there and making a name for themselves.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: So it's not just the leader that's got to change, Gab,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: everything else has got to change as well.
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: You're absolutely right, Peter. I mean, this has just been
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: so painful to watch. Finally, the spill is going to
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: be happening tomorrow. And that could not come soon enough
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: if this party wants a future. Of course, it looks
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: like Angus Taylor will almost certainly win tomorrow with all
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: those resignations. But as you say, I mean, it's going
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: to take a lot more than just a new leader
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: to turn this around. We need the right people in
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: front to fight for policies, and the policies I mean,
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: that is the most important point. This party has failed
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: to deliver any policies. So really looking ahead, this is
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: where this party really has to get its act together
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: and there should be no confusion about what the Australian
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: people want. I mean, look at the rise in one nation.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Why are people going there?
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: Because Pauline Hanson has been a fighter to cut immigration
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: numbers and you know the polling shows that two Australians
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: have been crying out for that. That plays into the
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: housing crisis, our safety, the cost of living of course,
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: and if you look around the world, look at Japan's
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: election and of course Japan's Prime minister took conservative policies
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: to that election, and one in the landside, look at
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: the rise and support for reform UK. So look, tomorrow
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: might be the first step, I would say, and then
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: we really need to see some strong policies and the
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: people that are going to fight for those policies to
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: be delivered, because the Australian people deserve so much better
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: than what we've been getting.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Peter, I'll jump into the CFMUUS story in a moment
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: with a former head of the watchdog. But in terms
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: of the politics, in terms of the culpability of the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Premier in Victoria given her previous role running the Big Build,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I think you'd have to
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: go back a very long time to find a bigger
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: allegation of fifteen billion dollars of public money funneled into
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the hands of crooks and organized crime. I think this
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: is about as big as it gets. And I am
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: just surprised that Victorians CAROLEE are not screaming from the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: rooftops here.
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: Look, I think they are. But the problem is Jacinta Allan.
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: She's not even accepting responsibility. She was the Minister in
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: Sha under Victorian Premier Dan Andrews. If she says she
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: knew nothing about it, then it's a clear dereliction of duty. However,
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: if she did indeed no one turned a blind eye
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: to it, then she's actually complicit in fifteen billion dollars
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: worth of taxpayer funds, and just to break that down
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: for everyone around Australia, that is five thousand dollars per
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: every household in Victoria. So it's like someone knocking on
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: the door and asking for five thousand dollars and that's
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: actually handed over going into the pockets of bikis and criminals.
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: The other thing is the very fact that she is
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: not even going to investigate and ask for the alleged
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: misuse of funds to be paid back is just incredible.
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: But what was even more disappointing today was she chose
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: a very soft setting for the press conference at a
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: hospital with an announcement for sick children, and she was
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: very rattled when she was being asked questions, very bristling
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: as well. Victorians have the right to know where this
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: money has actually gone, because it is just shocking. She
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: doesn't have the decency to apologize. She should actually have
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: the decency to resign. She's categorically said that she won't
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: and I will hope that the Liberal opposition will actually
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: take the fight up to her, but I hope better
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: than that. November is the state election Victorians have a
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: choice to make. The choice should be pretty clear. It
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: is fifteen billion dollars worth of taxpayers money and they
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: should actually be investigated by the National Anti Corruption Commission.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Well, you got to ask what's happening in Victoria because
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: they have their own corruption entity. I will say too,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: if you haven't got an ambulance, it turns up to
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: your house. If you're fighting fires without the equipment and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the trucks you deserve. If you're hitting potholes particularly, I
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: was out on one on the Western Highway on the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Raid of Ballarat. If you hitting potholes and you're blowing
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: out your tires, this is where the money is going.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I'll leave it there. Thank you to you both.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Let's go back now to Canberra and the big deal
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: that will happen tomorrow in the Liberal party room, joining
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: me now the man of the moment, I have to
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: say Liberal MP Phil Thompson, Phil, thank you for your time.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I wanted to speak to you tonight because you are
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the man who has come out and named yourself as
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the MP who will move the motion to spill the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: leadership tomorrow morning. I want to hear from you why
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you believe this is necessary.
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: Well, thank you for having me. When I face timed
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: my two daughters this morning and I got told about
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: gymnastics and school and my youngest daughter who's got autism
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: and she's saying more words and running around. It reaffirmed
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: why we're here to me, because we need a stronger,
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: better Australia for our future generation. So my children, the
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: children of Australia, all of people in this nation. So
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: I don't think we are a strong opposition. We have
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: not put forward policies. The Australian people have sent a
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: clear message that they are not happy with the leadership
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: of the Liberal Party and want to see change. People
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: in my community have been telling me that they're not
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: happy and want to see change. And I decided that,
• 28:07
  Speaker 11: you know, we've heard the talks in the hallways of
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: Parliament and all the way to the kitchen table that
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: there needs to be a leadership change. So I put
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: pen to paper with my friend Jess Collins and we
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: went over and saw Susan Lay and we said we
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: think there should be a party room meeting and we
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: want to spill the leadership and so we can have
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: a vote and then get.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: On with it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: You're a bloke who lives in the real world. You're
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: also on a rarity amongst your Liberal National Party colleagues
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: because you've taken a marginal seat and as far as
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you can make it safe for your side of politics,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: it's safer than it has been in many, many years.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: So what are people telling you out there in the community.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Not just about what you're all doing wrong, because I
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: think they're pretty cranky, if I'm honest, but the opportunity
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's there for you against the government because
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: they're not in love with Albanezy either.
• 29:02
  Speaker 11: So we have one of the worst performing governments in
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: living memory, and we have not been keeping them accountable.
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: We have not been holding their feet to the fire.
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: We've not been making sure that people's lives are easier.
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: Mortgages are going up, people can't get insurance in the regions,
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: and we haven't been prosecuting that. We haven't been talking
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: about it. We've just been talking about ourselves and fighting
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: with ourselves.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: It's been pathetic.
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: So we need change, and I believe that we need
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: the right person to take us forward is Angus Taylor.
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: He's led policy debate with us when it comes to
• 29:37
  Speaker 11: climate change and that's why we landed in the position
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: we have now where we dumped net zero. So dumping
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: that zero's it was a good move. Gus led that charge.
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: But people are upset and they want to see us
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: have a policy on immigration, not announce it next week
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: or whenever that might be, or have a policy and
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: go after it and have a suite of things that
• 29:57
  Speaker 11: we can take to this shame people and take up
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: to the government. But it hasn't happened. Nine months is
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: a long time, and we need to move on and
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: go forward.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I'd also say to you too, there's a sense that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: you're all waiting for the perfect document to spit out
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: of the computer and be able to put that out
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: with fifteen pages and attachments and say there's a policy,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and you dust your.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Hands and you move on to the next issue.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with getting out there and telling us
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: what your direction is. When Susan was waiting months and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: months to tell us principles, still no policy document. I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: think part of the problem is you're so reluctant to
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: even put your feet on the mat and say what
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: you think about the issues, and you're waiting for perfect
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to emerge. It doesn't happen in opposition. Let me tell you,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and I think we're desperate to hear from you. Do
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you want to cutton roughly by how much? And do
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you care about the sort of people that come to
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: this country in nail all of those colors to the mastfill.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I think that's what people are crying out for, and
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: then the documents and the costings and all of that
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: can come. Sure, you leave this vacuum like you've left
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a nine month vacuum Hallway and Hansen has just walked
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: straight through it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: I believe that starts at the top, and I think
• 31:08
  Speaker 11: it's I don't think it's a crazy thing to say.
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: This isn't a policy of any angus or anyone. But
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: if you're bringing more people in, then you have homes
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: that Australians can't get into, then you don't bring any
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: more people in. If we're bringing people in who aren't
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: assimilating or don't have employment, then you know, why are
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: we bringing them in.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: We should be bringing.
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: People in that have skilled trades, that look after and
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: contribute to the economy. I don't think that's controversial, but
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: there you go, that's a flagpole thing that we could
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: look at. So these are things that need to start
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: from the leadership, and it rolls down and we get
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: inspired and we go out and we prosecuted and the
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: fifteen page document comes later. But punzas on the street
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: aren't reading that. They want to know what the position is,
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: what do we stand for? What our value proposition? And
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: I believe Angus Taylor has done.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I tell you that's a blank, an audition for a
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: frontline role for you. Should it all happen tomorrow and
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor six seeds But I'll leave it there. That
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: wasn't what it was intended to be. But this is
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: what is missing, right, This is what is.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Missing in your language.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Too many lines, you know, too much spin and not
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: enough of that honest conversation with Australians. Thanks Phil, thank
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: you for your time. All right, as I said at
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the top of the show, we will have all of
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: this for you here on Sky News tomorrow.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: From eight a m.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: All the usual people that you see in the morning.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Paul Murray will be there alongside me and some others
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: or right after the break. Victorian Premier came out of
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: hiding today to face questions over her role as Minister
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: in charge of the big Build scheme and those allegations
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: at fifteen billion were siphoned off into the hands of criminals.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: The former head of the Federal Instruction Watchdog will join
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: me in a moment on the bank stil to come
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: more on the Epstein saga and also that extraordinary Islamic
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: immigration ranch from the new Muslim Mayor of New York
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: left that with my panel in a moment. But as
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: you've already seen from those clips i've shown you, I've
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Premier just in to Alan stonewalling questions today. It came
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: out of that age newspaper investigation ran yesterday and again today,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: covered broadly elsewhere by other newspapers about the claims of
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: a fifteen billion dollar corruption scandal in Victoria, presided over
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: by the Premier when she was the minister in the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Andrews government for the Big Build. Now she tried to
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: be defiant today she's also rejected calls for a royal
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: commission despite those allegations. And at the heart of this
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: course is yet again the CFMEU. Here to discuss the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: details and the ins and outs of all of this.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: The former head of the Australian Building and Construction Commission,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: John Lloyd John. It doesn't scape my attention to remind
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: me my viewers, of course, that the Corruption Watchdog was
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: one of the first things that was abolished by the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister when he assumed government. He said, the industry's clean.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: This is not needed as bad as the things that
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: you have seen and heard in your time in your role.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen anything as bad as this?
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I haven't.
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: I mean I warned in about twenty twelve that I
• 34:25
  Speaker 12: was concerned about the penetration of criminal elements. But the
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: extent of that is just staggering. The extent of the corruption,
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: the drug dealing, all those sort of horrible things that
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: have been happening would discussed anybody and actually a surprise
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: to me that the extent of that that they've as
• 34:46
  Speaker 12: Watson I think described the Victorian branch, it became a
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: crime syndicate and that's just unacceptable in a country like
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: Australia to have a union involved in major projects part
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: of building our built environment, to be basically a crime syndicate.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: And Watson's point, you know, in his investigation it was
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: eighteen months long to write this report that if the
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: government did not know it should have.
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: Known Oh yes, if the government. I get quite annoyed
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: by that. Anybody with a deep involvement or even a
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: casual involvement in the industry knew that it had gone sour.
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: Knew they had gone sour, particularly on the Big Bill
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: government for touring government sites, and for them to claim
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: they didn't know is just well if that's the case
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: the most ill informed incompetent ministers in Australia, because everybody
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: who was involved in the industry knew it. They would
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: have been told by unions like the Australian Workers' Union
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: who were pushed off by the Sea form Au for
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: what was happening. And lative ministers are proud about the
• 35:54
  Speaker 12: connections to the union movement. They have numerous conferences, dinners,
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: meetings together in.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: A block still on their conference floor.
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: And to think that they would go through several years
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: and not be told about it just Begger's belief.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Minutes and fifteen billion dollars is not a minor amount
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of money. I mean, you and I would know if
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: we lost fifteen hundred dollars down the back of the couch.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: This is fifteen billion dollars. It's material in a state budget.
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: Oh for sure, and it's a and that's a conservative estimate.
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: I think that mister Watson said it is possibly probably more,
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: and I'd probably think that's right. And yes, and I
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: think the government has failed, not just in controlling its
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: own building sites, but it's got responsibilities through its legislation
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: to manage money properly.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: So why isn't this something? And I heard the premiere
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: today basically not impugning the character of Watson, but implying
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: that these are just untested claims, as if they've, as
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I said, come from a tabloid journalist. Tell my audience
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: the credentials of some like Watson, and the fact that
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: he puts it in his report and then these chapters
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: get removed. That tells you everything, doesn't it?
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: Yes, it does. Look he's a very experienced senior counsel,
• 37:15
  Speaker 12: served very a lot of time in corruption fighting, writing
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: and involved in New South Wales and now assisting the
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: federal government in this regard. There was a thorough report
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: that was compiled over as you say, many months, many
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: interviews with all sorts of sources, which he would check
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: and check that they were.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: In the way that any good barris Still.
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: It is now I think what might have happened is
• 37:40
  Speaker 12: that he and mister Irving didn't have a settled view
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: on how the report would be presented, received, who owned it,
• 37:49
  Speaker 12: and how it would be used, and that I think
• 37:52
  Speaker 12: has led to perhaps the confusion, because Watson to me
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: seemed to be quite annoyed that his report was being
• 37:59
  Speaker 12: parts very basically.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: So again, given those the veracity of these findings, and
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I think the credibility of Watson, where is the Victorian
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: broad Based Corruption Authority? Why aren't they over this? Why
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: aren't the police involved? Because as we stand tonight, these
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: claims have been put out there and these build the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: big build is going on, and I would presume the
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: clock's ticking on that fifteen billion and it's going up
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: even higher.
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: Yes, Look, I've known some contractors who have approached the
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: Independent broad Based Commission Corruption Commission, and the response sometimes
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: has been that they don't have jurisdiction over contractors, and
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: when there's been allegations made about contractors acting potentially corruptly,
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: they'd say they can't investigate it. So it's the old
• 38:50
  Speaker 12: hand past to somebody else, and that's very difficult to do.
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: Of course, Also a bit in here is that and
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: it comes from the frequency of those reports. People just
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: shrug their shoulder and say, oh, that's construction. What would
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: you expect.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a fatigue. I think there's a
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: fatigue on this issue.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Just quickly.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: The lives are saying, if they're elected in November, they
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: want a royal commission.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Do you think that's necessary in Victoria?
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: I think so, a quick royal commission. There's been lots
• 39:15
  Speaker 12: of inquiries and royal commissions, numerous ones, federal and state.
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: But I think given the seriousness of these events, I
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: think they should have one, all right, But then they
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: need to be a strong government, take control of their sites,
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: have a code of conduct, have an enforcement unit, and
• 39:30
  Speaker 12: make their bureaucrats get out there, talk to senior contractors,
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: ensure that any unlawful conduct is reported to the government
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: and they act.
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  Speaker 4: On it, and they act and they act and they act.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: All right, John, O'll over it there, thank you, Roy.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Quick break after the break.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: The spy allegations are spying in camera, the alleged spy
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: charged today. We'll get some more on that, and violence
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: extremism are warning.
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  Speaker 4: From our spy chiefs up next.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it almost sounds like they had of a Jo
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: novel though studying revelations.
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  Speaker 4: This morning, a.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Camera bakery worker appearing in court charged with reckless foreign
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: interference with federal authorities. Allegend she acted as a Chinese
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: government agent, So a spy collecting information on members of
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Australia's Chinese community. Another twenty five year old, this one
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: a man, a Chinese national's being charged but cannot be
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: named for legal reasons. John to be now strategic and
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: alsis Australia Director Michael schubrinch as I said, Michael, sounds
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: like a John leccar a novel. But this is fair
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: income and this won't be the only case. And indeed,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I have to say, spy operating in Australia will it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Be no Peter.
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  Speaker 13: These allegations will be tested in court, but they look
• 40:44
  Speaker 13: pretty credible and they fit with the way Beijing uses
• 40:49
  Speaker 13: its spy agencies to intimidate and silence its critics. So
• 40:54
  Speaker 13: the allegations look like these people were paid to collect
• 40:59
  Speaker 13: information on people of Chinese ethnicity in Australia, right here
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  Speaker 13: in Canberra, and Beijing uses that information to intimidate and
• 41:09
  Speaker 13: silence them. We can see that whether us case right now,
• 41:13
  Speaker 13: a Hong Kong dissident, Amanda Quok, has just found out
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: that the Chinese have arrested her father and it looks
• 41:20
  Speaker 13: like for being her father because they want to stick
• 41:23
  Speaker 13: him in jail to pressure her.
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  Speaker 2: And they want to stop these Chinese Australians speaking out
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: against what the regime was like when they live there.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Or do they want them to provide documents or information
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: from the companies they work for in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: What's the endgame?
• 41:44
  Speaker 13: Both those things, But a big motive is to silence
• 41:48
  Speaker 13: China's critics internationally. And the Chinese communities in different countries
• 41:54
  Speaker 13: are full of a bunch of people, some who support
• 41:57
  Speaker 13: the regime and some who.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: Are its fiercest critic.
• 42:00
  Speaker 13: And if Beijing can silence those critics, it can get
• 42:05
  Speaker 13: more of what it wants get its way in the world.
• 42:08
  Speaker 13: And you can see that with governments that they've done
• 42:10
  Speaker 13: a good job of silencing our government. When does our
• 42:13
  Speaker 13: government criticize the government in Beijing?
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: And what about those reports sector Chinese flotilla boats and
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: other things got quite close to our Australian waters that
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: were around this morning.
• 42:31
  Speaker 13: Well, this is again a pattern of intimidation from Beijing.
• 42:35
  Speaker 13: So those Chinese naval vessels heavily armed and conducting live
• 42:40
  Speaker 13: firing under what they knew was civilian airline routes between
• 42:43
  Speaker 13: Australia and New Zealand. They deliberately kept to the boundaries
• 42:49
  Speaker 13: of international law, so stayed outside our exclusive economic zone.
• 42:53
  Speaker 13: But they knew they were endangering the lives of people
• 42:56
  Speaker 13: in those airliners, and they did it to show they could,
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: and they could do that close to Australia and we
• 43:03
  Speaker 13: do nothing about it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get you to come on next week.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sadly out of time with all the leadership events
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  Speaker 2: in Canberra, but I want to pull apart some of
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the evidence we're hearing from intelligence officials out of estimates
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: this week about radical Islam in Australia and the persistent
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: threat it continues to be.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: But I'll leave that for another time. We'll do it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I'm in one hit if I can thank you, Michael Subridge,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: all right after the break, This click from the New
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: York Mayor talking about the prophet Muhammad and Islam.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: I thought it was a deep faith, it's not. It's real.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I'll show you exactly the kind of radical rant we're
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: seeing in New York after break, Welcome back to my
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: wonderful international panel. I'm going to get straight into its
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Skinese contributed Koshergada, former labor and p Michael Danby. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: to you both. I want to start with those comments
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  Speaker 2: from New York Mayor the new Mayor, Zor Ma'am Dani,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: in his first annual inter Faith Breakfast, where he referenced
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of religious Muslim religious texts to support
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the cities immigration policy.
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  Speaker 14: Have a listen to this, and I consider my own
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: faith Islam a religion built upon a narrative of migration.
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: The story of the Hidra reminds us the prophet Muhammad,
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: so the ala Ali who was seldom was a stranger too,
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: who fled Mecca and was welcomed in Medina O kosha.
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  Speaker 2: I'll listen to that whole speech. I'm saying, I honestly
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: thought it was a deep fake. But this has been
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: part of the argument of some of the more radical
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: imams and clerics. We couldn't win Europe with the sword,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: but we are going to take Europe by immigration.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: And it is a.
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: Self inflicted wound because the West has had this very
• 44:49
  Speaker 15: generous immigration policy for the last half century. And this
• 44:52
  Speaker 15: is a predictable downstream consequence of it in New York
• 44:55
  Speaker 15: and London and Rotterdam. There's all sorts of cities now
• 44:57
  Speaker 15: where you get your critical mass lacked people at the
• 45:01
  Speaker 15: local government and even higher and then they're unaboutit, about it.
• 45:04
  Speaker 15: I will make a quick point though as well, that
• 45:06
  Speaker 15: choosing religious texts to emotionally manipulate is a tried and
• 45:10
  Speaker 15: tested tactic.
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  Speaker 4: And even Paul Francis repeatedly would.
• 45:13
  Speaker 15: Say Christian taxts in support of migration, mass migration, even
• 45:18
  Speaker 15: a lot of Vaticans sets behind the wall.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: So that's also the point is he's saying that in
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: countries where there is a Christian ethos to their governance
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: and their values Underpinny, what's different here? And I'll bring
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: you in on this, Michael is. A lot of this
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: is then retailed around the Middle East. It's designed for
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: consumption overseas to say, hey, we've basically got New York now.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I mean they're creating quoting the Koran and other religious
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: texts from a place that we literally put planes into buildings.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: The worst of us, the most radical of us, put
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: planes into buildings twenty years ago. Look what's happened in
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: two decades.
• 45:55
  Speaker 16: And Muhammed into Medina was conquered, destroying all the local tribes.
• 46:03
  Speaker 16: I have message for Grace Tame. There are thirty seven
• 46:06
  Speaker 16: Muslim countries that were conquered by Islam. If you're talking
• 46:10
  Speaker 16: about settler colonialism or not to we be worried about that,
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: I mean really tiny little Israel, the third the size
• 46:17
  Speaker 16: of Tasmanian or that it's a joke to really be
• 46:20
  Speaker 16: so obsessed about it as screaming, ranting Grace Tame was
• 46:25
  Speaker 16: Bumdani is just typical of the trend that's taking place
• 46:28
  Speaker 16: that we're so tolerant that we're to ignore what people say.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: And this duke and.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: This globalized the into Farda. You talk to those families
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: of the fifteen dead, they would argue that into Fata
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: is already here, it already has hit their families. Talk
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: to me about the Chinese spike, because I know you're
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Long on pattern.
• 46:52
  Speaker 16: Religious minority groups like the Tibetans, this Buddhist association, they
• 46:57
  Speaker 16: don't seem so important to us, but to Beijing they
• 47:00
  Speaker 16: are very important because they are the only dissident groups
• 47:04
  Speaker 16: that are left so they target them low level people
• 47:08
  Speaker 16: sent to their meetings to report back on them, like
• 47:10
  Speaker 16: this shop assistant academics. There's been such an extensive operation
• 47:17
  Speaker 16: in Australia and New Zealand against academics who speak both
• 47:21
  Speaker 16: Chinese and English because those people are the source of
• 47:24
  Speaker 16: information to the rest of us who only speak English.
• 47:28
  Speaker 16: And it's a pattern. Anne Marie Brady, who's often interviewed
• 47:35
  Speaker 16: on Sky, she's been a victim of this terrible victim.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Epstein doesn't go away and you almost think it's petering out,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: and then it comes back with a vengeance.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: The Clintons, what do we like to see?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: When are we likely to see them before a congressional
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: hearing soon?
• 47:53
  Speaker 15: And they change their too, and obviously because they were
• 47:56
  Speaker 15: advancing towards being held in contempt of Congress, and they
• 47:59
  Speaker 15: do fear that the stog will actually prosecute them, potentially
• 48:03
  Speaker 15: bring charges which typically wasn't done. But we've crossed that
• 48:05
  Speaker 15: rubicon of lawfare. They are obviously using it as a
• 48:09
  Speaker 15: way to portray persecution, so they'll do that. They'll plead
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: the fifth I don't think we'll get that much out
• 48:13
  Speaker 15: of it, but certainly will be a media spectacle.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: So they'll turn up, they'll tick that box, but they won't.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: They won't say much all. What about these reports I've
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: read that there is talk that Delaine Maxwell may be
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: pardoned by President Trump.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: MICHAELA.
• 48:30
  Speaker 16: You heard those well, I think there would be a mistake.
• 48:32
  Speaker 16: I've heard them too. But this is so odious, this
• 48:37
  Speaker 16: whole Prince Andrew Epstein, all of them triangle. It's disgusting.
• 48:44
  Speaker 16: I think any centrous political group in the Democrats and
• 48:48
  Speaker 16: Republicans ought to resist things like that.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: There needs I feel like there needs to be a proper,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: very public trial and the weight of evidence put out
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: in the public domain as opposed to this drip feed
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: in supposition.
• 49:02
  Speaker 15: And this is one of the two or three issues
• 49:04
  Speaker 15: where the Trump administration is out of step with vast
• 49:09
  Speaker 15: majority of public opinion, including and especially their base. The
• 49:11
  Speaker 15: base is very, very angry that it's taking so long
• 49:13
  Speaker 15: to get these things. When they come up, they're still
• 49:15
  Speaker 15: so redacted, and they felt that it's very insufficient. The
• 49:18
  Speaker 15: justification for the redactions are not sufficient. Who are we protecting?
• 49:21
  Speaker 15: Why do we have to protect them? And then the
• 49:23
  Speaker 15: drip feed just makes the story stretch more and more.
• 49:26
  Speaker 16: Because of this, I think a whole lot of other reasons.
• 49:28
  Speaker 16: I think the Republicans and Trump are in a lot
• 49:31
  Speaker 16: of trouble for the midterms, and we're going to see
• 49:34
  Speaker 16: another second half of his term all involved in impeaching impeachment.
• 49:39
  Speaker 16: And that's why I'm against the Clinton's being impeach because
• 49:42
  Speaker 16: I don't believe past president should be impeached, should be
• 49:46
  Speaker 16: politically embarrassed. Trump should be politically embarrassed if he's done
• 49:50
  Speaker 16: the wrong things or made the wrong political decisions.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: But taking this.
• 49:54
  Speaker 16: To the legal aspect is very American mentality, and it's
• 49:59
  Speaker 16: the right.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: I agree with that.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm with Kosher, and I belong to the base
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: on this one. I want sunlight on this issue years
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: and years.
• 50:08
  Speaker 15: And we've crossed the rubicon in terms of prosecuting ex presidents.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: Yep, all right, I will leave it there. Thank If
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: you both that's different me.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow though here on Sky News from
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: eight o'clock, the liberal leadership will be in play.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Andrew bolts up next