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Feminist Movie Friday: The Matrix · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: I've never told your production to I Heeart Radio, and
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: today it is time for another feminist movie Friday, and
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  Speaker 1: we're doing quite the undertaking movies. Yes, yes, good point,
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  Speaker 1: because we are talking about the Matrix series, so that
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  Speaker 1: being Matrix, Matrix Reloaded, Matrix Revolutions, Matrix Resurrections, not the
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  Speaker 1: Anti Matrix because this is already quite long, but that
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  Speaker 1: means there will be spoilers for the newest Matrix Resurrections
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  Speaker 1: in here. Pretty a lot of spoilers, so if you
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  Speaker 1: wanna watch it first, don't be spoiled. You can come back,
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  Speaker 1: will be will be waiting. And it is on HBO
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  Speaker 1: Max for those who have it. Yes, it is. It
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  Speaker 1: is all of them, All of them is on it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think the animated version too, which I watched them
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  Speaker 1: all yesterday for work, and I was quite shocked how
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  Speaker 1: much I remembered of them because I loved them. I
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  Speaker 1: loved them when I was young, and I just would
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  Speaker 1: watched them all the time. We actually, Samantha and if
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  Speaker 1: we went to see this in theaters before we realized
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  Speaker 1: just how terrible O Macron was. We went in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the day on a weekday with masks, so
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't crowded by any means, but still, like a
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  Speaker 1: week later, we were like, we've done this a couple
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  Speaker 1: of times now, we had like not realizing how bad
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  Speaker 1: it was, and then we're like, oh, damn, that was risky.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was um, but if we hadn't have gone,
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  Speaker 1: we would have missed out on this interaction we had
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  Speaker 1: with this dude who saw I saw the movie with us, Um,
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: not with us, but he was in the theater and
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  Speaker 1: afterwards he was so excited. He told us all of
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  Speaker 1: his thoughts about about these movies and about how he
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  Speaker 1: was in a cult and how these movies helped him
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  Speaker 1: get out of a cult. And then Samantha and I
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  Speaker 1: were like, huh, I guess there's a lot we could
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  Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to these movies and feminism,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll get to the cult part in a bit,
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  Speaker 1: but basically the whole red Bill thing. So yeah, there
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  Speaker 1: is there really is a lot in these movies for
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  Speaker 1: us to discuss. And just as a reminder, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of mixed reviews about the new one. Well, I'll
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  Speaker 1: speak for myself. I liked it a lot, and I
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  Speaker 1: liked the new taking on and I feel like it
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  Speaker 1: was a progression for a reason. And we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: that in a bit. And just a reminder that the
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  Speaker 1: matrix being successful does not mean that the other two
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  Speaker 1: were that successful. They weren't not not successful, but they
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  Speaker 1: weren't as loved as Yeah, for sure. I actually, as
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  Speaker 1: I said that, I was watching these yesterday and having
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  Speaker 1: all these memories because I was in middle school when
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: they were coming out, Yeah, with a new the two
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  Speaker 1: new ones. I was in middle school, and uh, I
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  Speaker 1: remember getting in a fight with a good friend of
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  Speaker 1: mine at the time who told me that they sucked
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  Speaker 1: and I was totally uncool for liking them, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember having the worst comeback of like you you have
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  Speaker 1: bad taste anyway. I mean, you're not wrong, yes, but ye.
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  Speaker 1: At the point being, they were definitely not as loved
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  Speaker 1: as the first one. Also, I was telling Samantha's story
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  Speaker 1: of when because I was in middle school, I had
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  Speaker 1: to we had to find an adult to take us
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  Speaker 1: to the rated R movie and we convinced her dad
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  Speaker 1: was very conservative in a lot of ways to take
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  Speaker 1: us to this movie, and I she made me sit
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  Speaker 1: next to him, and I had forgotten how long long
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: of an orgy scene there is in that movie. But
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  Speaker 1: the memories came flooding back yesterday. I was watching so Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I liked them my interpretation because I watched it
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  Speaker 1: a little while later on a very small TV, and
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't paying attention as much as I
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  Speaker 1: should have. Didn't realize it was an actual orgy. Say,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was just a dance party, Like, what's
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  Speaker 1: going on? Why is everybody calling this dance party an orgy?
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  Speaker 1: And then later I'm seeing all the boobs. I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of boobage in this movie. Yes, there's
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  Speaker 1: also an orgasm. There's two orgasm scenes. Um, but there
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  Speaker 1: that one is taking place during the orgy. And I
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  Speaker 1: just remember the like dread and trying to focus on
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  Speaker 1: the screen and act as if everything was totally normal.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember yes exactly, um, but I did. I
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  Speaker 1: loved these movies. I loved them. I had all these
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  Speaker 1: posters all over my walls. Um. I had a huge
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  Speaker 1: crash on Keanu Reeves. I took a picture with a
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: like polaroid camera that would print it out like right away,
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  Speaker 1: you know of him in that movie and just had
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  Speaker 1: it on my mirror. My first like user name was
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  Speaker 1: Neo's Angel. So wait, were you in love with Neo
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  Speaker 1: or Kanu Neo? I guess because he actually um. I
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  Speaker 1: had seen him in Point Break when I was far
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  Speaker 1: too young to watch that movie and scared me. It
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  Speaker 1: really scared me, yo, Yeah, but I did. It was
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  Speaker 1: a huge crush. Oh my god, I like you fanning
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  Speaker 1: yourself right now. I know, I know. I just remember
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  Speaker 1: I would like lie awake at night and I would
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  Speaker 1: listen to the soundtrack on repeat. It just think of
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: how cute Neo was. Is it fine? He got a
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  Speaker 1: fine figure. I was watching it yesterday like mmmm. I. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I won a costume contest when I went at Trinity.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: I think it was the seventh grade. The same friend
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  Speaker 1: who told me that I was very silly for liking
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  Speaker 1: the Reloaded and Revolutions got mad at me for this too,
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  Speaker 1: because she said the only reason I won was because
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  Speaker 1: everybody like the Matrix and not because my costume was good.
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  Speaker 1: But whatever. Sounds like she's not a good friend. We
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  Speaker 1: had a few falling out our day. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: she was wrong, but still come on now, Okay, but anyway,
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  Speaker 1: my point being, these had a huge impact on me.
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  Speaker 1: I loved them, and they did it. They had a
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  Speaker 1: pretty big impact on a lot of people and on
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: our culture in society at large. It really did. Let's
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: just jump into this, you're ready, So, because Annie and
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  Speaker 1: I are two to very different people, and you know this,
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: I will be taking on the three originals because I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I could summit the little sooner quicker, not necessarily,
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: so this is my rendition, and I will say the
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: blessed hit of Matrix, which was released in nineteen. I
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: have so many of five memories myself, especially of our
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  Speaker 1: friend group watching this on repeat. And now I was
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: a senior in high school, so you and are very
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: different grades. Um and and of course I thought you
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: were a child because I was a high school leaving
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  Speaker 1: high school. But we loved this movie to the point
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  Speaker 1: that we had a high school friend who resembled Keanu
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  Speaker 1: reads a lot, like his face, everything, enough so that
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  Speaker 1: we would call him Neo and when we would redo
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  Speaker 1: some of the iconic fight scenes, yes we acted them out,
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  Speaker 1: he would be the ultimate Neo. But obviously we're not
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: here to completely reminisce a little bit, a little bit so.
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  Speaker 1: The movie was released in nineteen and was and still
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  Speaker 1: a much loved successful film. All of these movies written
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  Speaker 1: and directed by sisters Lily and Anna Wachowski, UH, starring
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  Speaker 1: KIANU Reeves as Neo Carrie and Moss as Trinity, Laurence
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  Speaker 1: Fishburn as Morpheus, Hugo Weaving as Mr Smith or Agent
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  Speaker 1: Smith Um, and then of course so many others, but
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  Speaker 1: those are the four that you will see on repeat.
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  Speaker 1: The movie starts with one of the most memorable fight
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  Speaker 1: scenes to date. A badass Trinity is looking into finding
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  Speaker 1: quote him when ambushed by local officers and some special
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  Speaker 1: agents what we now know as sentients or who are
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  Speaker 1: in the matrix to come after certain people's And though
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  Speaker 1: it isn't new, the effects and in the overall like
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  Speaker 1: digital art of it all are still mesmerizing and brings
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  Speaker 1: a lot of discussion and all like we still talk
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  Speaker 1: about how they did it, how they do it still,
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  Speaker 1: and how it is mimicked repeatedly heavily influenced by martial
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  Speaker 1: arts and anime and other old Asian martial arts movies. UH.
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  Speaker 1: The Wachowski is bringing some of the best trainers and
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  Speaker 1: martial artists, including Samed Hong Kong mark Arts coordinator and
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  Speaker 1: fighter You and Wiping, who was sought out for all
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  Speaker 1: three of the movies. UM, and he is very picky
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: by the way when you see interviews about doing Hollywood
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: movies at all. Really was taken with this one and
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  Speaker 1: so came to be a part of it. And you
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  Speaker 1: can tell by the styles and from what I understand,
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  Speaker 1: he tailored each fighting style to that person. UM, So
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  Speaker 1: he would watch them and see who they were and
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  Speaker 1: taught them based on who they were. Like he said
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  Speaker 1: of Moss specifically, like she had feminine agility and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of grace, so he tailored the moves to her.
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  Speaker 1: UM and apparently all of them got injured. All of
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: them got injured throughout. Sano Reas was in the hospital
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: for like a herniated disk that he was like, I
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: almost fell over in the shower, which I feel like
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  Speaker 1: was replicated in the new movie. But whatever. He insisted
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: that there'd be a cart wheel in there, and every
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: time I watched the first one and he does that
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: cart wheel kind of makes me laugh because he herniated
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  Speaker 1: his disc and couldn't do a lot of leg moves.
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  Speaker 1: You don't see many kicks from him and that is
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  Speaker 1: perfectful be because of his injuries, saying with Hugo Weaving
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: because he had a hip injury, and so you see
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fisticos the two of them. And then
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: also you know back to again uh the fighting scene
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  Speaker 1: with Moss and that is the infamous roof fight scene
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  Speaker 1: where she you know, the whole your agents are already
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  Speaker 1: dead line opens um and these stunts were actually done
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  Speaker 1: by Moss uh as she did it well, although she
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: also got injured and had to stop halfway through with
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: all a lot of doing her own stunts. Boom back
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: to the plot. After narrowly escaping the agents that we
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: find out that they are looking for him, otherwise known
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: as Neo, otherwise known as the One a k a.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: Thomas Anderson. What we know of him in the Matrix.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: Thomas Anderson is a hacker slash also like a programmer
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  Speaker 1: who is contacted by a mysterious person through the interwebs
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  Speaker 1: about the Matrix. After doing some shady things see Shady Dealings,
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: we see him being led by the White Rabbit to
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: a very lively E. D. M. Bar Rave, where he
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: is approached by the one and only Trinity, who he
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: assumed was a man because of the badass reputation of Trinity. Wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Here we find out Mr Anderson is looking for something someone,
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  Speaker 1: and this includes the infamous Morpheus um. The next day,
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: he finds that not only is he in trouble with
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: his workplace because you know, he's overslept, but he's being hunted,
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  Speaker 1: but has warnings thanks to the mysterious package that arrives
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: with the also cool sliding phone that we all wanted.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: I wanted it, I wanted it bad. And this is
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: before I had a freaking cell phone, Like, this is
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: way before I didn't I didn't have one at that point. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the technology was so good. So he's instructed on how
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: to escape the agents, but loses his nerves when he's
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: told to go out the window on the platform onto
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  Speaker 1: the window washing platform, and he is arrested, taking into
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: questioning where some weird things happen, like his mouth disappearing
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: and him being injected with a very terrifying creature through
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  Speaker 1: his belly button nightmares. Later, he makes thinking maybe it's
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: a dream, but a phone call from Morpheus, who instructs
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: to get him to go out and meet up with
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: the crew makes some think otherwise. Uh, And there he
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: starts to learn the truth. After getting rid of the
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: very real bug from his belly, he finally meets Orpheus,
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  Speaker 1: who offers him an explanation or the red pill, which
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  Speaker 1: will free you to see the truth, the Blue pill,
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  Speaker 1: which will put you back to what you've always known.
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  Speaker 1: After taking the red pill, he's soon released and comes
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  Speaker 1: to the quote real world, the real world. After an
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: intense birthing scene, really intense birthing scene, he is repaired
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: adjusted for the new view on the real world. The
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: world is not what we know it, but has been
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  Speaker 1: destroyed after years of war against the Ais and machines
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  Speaker 1: who have come to being and have become self aware.
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  Speaker 1: He discovers that they the humans, are nothing more than
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  Speaker 1: batteries energy for the machines to live by. But there's
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: a small group of humans who have either awakened slash unplugged,
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  Speaker 1: or have been born into this world which is much
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: much later, and are fighting against the machines. And it
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: is here that Morphea to reveal that there's a prophecy
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: of the One and that Neo is that one. The One.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: After several action pack scenes and obvious bad guy trader scene,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't get to meet the Oracle, the one who
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: has foreseen Neo and the possibility of winning the war.
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  Speaker 1: After meeting with the Oracle, which reveals that Neo has
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  Speaker 1: the potential to be the one he's not, but that
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  Speaker 1: Morpheus also by the way, would sacrifice himself for Neo
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  Speaker 1: and that Neo would have to choose between him or Morpheus.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing okay with this. After returning to the
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Czech exit point, we see that at Deja Vu or
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  Speaker 1: glitch has occurred and they're attacked by the Agents against
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  Speaker 1: the Sentience Um and other law enforcements. Morpheus sacrifices as
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  Speaker 1: himself in order for the rest of the team to
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  Speaker 1: lead Neo out and is caught by agents Smith, we
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: see Cipher, the trader that we were talking about, running
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  Speaker 1: away from the rest of the team, arriving back to
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  Speaker 1: the exit point earlier than them, and after being unplugged,
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: he perceives the sabotage to the rest of the team,
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  Speaker 1: killing three of the members, but before he could kill Neo, Tank,
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  Speaker 1: who was one of the operators of the ship, shoots
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  Speaker 1: and kills Cipher. At this point, Neo and Trinity returned
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  Speaker 1: to the ship, but quickly come up with a plan
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  Speaker 1: to rescue Morpheus. After getting all kinds of armed up,
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  Speaker 1: they go to find Morpheus, who has been tortured and
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  Speaker 1: questioned by the agents to find the human location of Zion,
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  Speaker 1: and here we see the powerhouse seen on the roof
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  Speaker 1: with the very talked about a bullet time scene, which
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I did not know was a real thing. Yeah, you
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: didn't know that. I didn't. I thought they were just
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: making stuff up in the new one and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's really okay. I didn't know, which shows that Neo
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: is as fast as the agents, which is not a
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  Speaker 1: usual thing for the humans. We also get to see
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Trinity flying on helicopter and then jumping out of it
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: after they successfully rescue Morpheus. Alas as they make it
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: to their exit point through phones by the way, just
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: in case I didn't put this in there by landlines, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Neo is thwarted once again by the persistent Agent Smith.
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  Speaker 1: We have another epic fight scene with a finger throat
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  Speaker 1: punch boom, and of course trains after Mio once again
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  Speaker 1: kicks Agent Smith's body, who runs trying to find another
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  Speaker 1: exit point. All as he almost makes it, we find
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  Speaker 1: Agent Smith on the other side of the door, and
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Neo is shut down. But wait, the oracle also predicted
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: that Trinity would fall in love with the One, and
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: she knew he couldn't die and woke him up with
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: a power of love and a kiss. Yes, and just
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  Speaker 1: in time too, because at this point we have the squids,
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  Speaker 1: which are the machines that are sent to destroy the
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  Speaker 1: shifts and kill humans but can be stopped by a
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  Speaker 1: massive MP but can't be used when someone is plugged
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  Speaker 1: in the system, And after miraculously coming to life, and
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Neo not only defies death but can stop bullets going
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  Speaker 1: credibly fast and jump into the body of the Agent
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  Speaker 1: and make them explode. Neio was able to return just
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: in time to use the mp MP electric mimetic pulse
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: and kill off the squids and kiss the girl, of course,
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  Speaker 1: and we end them at this amazing film with Neo
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: talking to the machines letting them know he was here
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: to fight and to warn them that he would find
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: them also then he flies away because of course, of course,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: So what these movies are so difficult to explain? I
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: know you probably felt listened to you, But when I
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: was trying to describe it and condense it. I was
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: like this, if you haven't seen this, this makes no sense.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I love though, and I meant to
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: do this at the beginning. I kind of forgot is
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to just give a one line explanation of the movie,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: a ridiculously and simplified as it could be, because I
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: find that hilarious and honestly, we really can't. So this
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: is almost that level through very quickly, on this level
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: of what I know, because this is all from the brain. Yeah,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: this is all can we go with Reloaded? And I
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: was trying to convince the two of them together, like
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I really can't, I really can't. So yes, we are
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: also talking about the matrix Reloaded and Revolutions. Reloaded was
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: released in two thousand three, and I was telling Annie,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: this is my very Christian portion of like, don't watch
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: rated our movies. So I missed out on the initial
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: which is also why again I think I missed out
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  Speaker 1: on the oready scene. Um. And though it didn't get
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: the level of notoriety as the original, it was considered
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: successful and still overall well accepted, even broke the record
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: for the highest grossing R rated film until two thousand
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and sixteen with the release of Deadpool and BT dub.
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  Speaker 1: Six months later, Revolutions was released, so it was like
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: a back back. Yeah, they're kind of like a one
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: long story in two movies. Yeah, it's not as officially
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: it did like the first one did. So for reloaded,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: we have the original four, but this time we were
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: adding Jada Pickett Smith as Naobe and instead of Tank
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: we or those are we have the brother in law link.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: New programs added into the movie are the Mayor of
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Indian played by Lambert Wilson and Persephone played by Monica Bellute.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Other key characters to know the Keymaker, the Architect, and Sarah, who,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: by the way, was originally offered to Jet Lee, but
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: he refused because he didn't want his martial arts technique
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to be digitally on records so that they cann't reuse it.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: And that's a big question that we should talk about
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: how they were able to do so, because the new
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: one took a lot of liberties in extracting old movies
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and old things on on record that they have to reuse.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Uh So this question so gently wasn't wrong, No one,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: he decided not to do this. But anyway, so back
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: to the world of Matrix. We are now back here,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: but we see the bigger picture, the war's brewing between
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the machines and the humans of Zion. Their intel is
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that the Sentience should arrive at Zion in seventy two hours.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: At this time we meet the different captains of Zion,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: including one time love interest of Morpheus, Niobe. They are
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: all being called back by the commander of Commander Locke,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: who is the current love interest of Naiobe and seems
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to have a bit of bad blood with Morpheus. Morpheus
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: request one crew to stay behind to wait for the oracle,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and they agree against the wishes of the commander, and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: all the while we see that former agent Smith is
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: back and gives a gift to Neo, which was the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: airpiece UH and said that he has been freed. And
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: then there's a new fight scene with several agents against Neo.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Um later the different ships returned to Zion. Here we
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: finally see the place that now holds the entire human population.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Loss of discussion has had over the fact that Neo
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: is the one and many flocked to him, but all
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: he wants is time alone with Trinity. But first their
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: meetings to be had discussing the incoming dangers and what
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to do next bt dobs. While several also believe that
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Neo is the Savor that they've been waiting for, many
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: don't believe this. Um And sees Morpheus as an eccentric.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So after an awkward org scene Um and love seeing
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: with Trinity and Neo, we come back to the crew,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: leaving to go meet with the Oracle. In between all
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: of this, we can find that Smith has been able
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to infect others with this rogue programming and are changing
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: others to be like him or to be him, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: he enters Zion by taking over another humans consciousness and
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: is now one of the bodies of the humans and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: enters the real world. Neo, after a battle with the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Oracle's new body gods Sarah to prove himself, meets up
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: with the Oracle, then discusses the future, as well as
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the fact that she herself is a program and with hesitation,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know whether or not to trust her questions
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: all of these things, he still listens as she instructs
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: him to find the Keymaker, who is being held by
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the Mayor of Vingian, again a roge program. After getting
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: this information, Neo encounters the Mini Smiths and how he
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: is able to clone himself and even attempts to take
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: over Neo, but fails. After the long battle, he's able
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to meet up with Trinity and Morpheus, who then proceed
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to meet with the Mayor of Injian, who is a
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: pampous cheater that refuses to give up the Keymaker, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: he's cheating ways has made his wife Persephone retaliate and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: helped the trio after she makes Neo kiss her as
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: if she was Trinity super awkward as well. They sue
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: fine the Keymaker who's been waiting for them, and make
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a very exciting battle exit, which leads Neo to the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: highest snowy mountains while Trinity and Morpheus have to battle
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: all the canceled creatures like ghosts and vampires and etcetera.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: We go to witness the exciting freeway chase, which ends
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: with Neo flying to Morpheus and the Keymaker's rescue, literally
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: flying and picking them up. They later make a plan
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to find the source so that Neo could stop the war,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: which includes uh the two ships that have been sent
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: by the Council to retrieve Neo and the said crew
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: because you know, they weren't supposed to be gone this long.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It's also during this time we see Neo request Trinity
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: stay out of the matrix in fear for her life.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Has he has seen her death in his dreams, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: she agrees, But of course things go wrong as one
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: crew accidentally dies, which throws off the elaborate plan and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: turn off the power and break into the connection for
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the source. Oh yeah, and Smith once again arrived to
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: fight Neo, but they do make it, although killing the Keymaker,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: which I was like, oh seems like a sinceless death
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: but okay. Neo confronts the Architect, who explains that he
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: is actually Neo, is actually one of six the Ones,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and that he is simply a part of the program
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and really not that special. He's chosen to help the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: humans survive from complete extinction and not to stop the war.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And after a long explanation of how the system has
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: been working for years and this was merely a normal
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: plan of moment in the system, Neo has given the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: choice of returning to Zion to choose the few who
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: would survive and repopulate the system, or rescue Trinity. Because
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Trinity has now had to come in and help the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: whole situation or everybody would have died. Thank you, Trinity,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And of course Neo chooses to save Trinity, even bringing
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: her back to life after dying. Uh. They returned to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the real world to find that things have gone wrong,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: including the machines coming after them, and after they rush
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: off the now destroyed ship, Neo finds that he can
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: stop the sentinels with his thoughts, but then passes out
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and the crew was saved by another ship. And that's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the end that to be concluded. Burns hanger that you
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: had to wait on for six months as he passes
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: out and everybody just say, they're like, what do we do? Yeah?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And then he's the agent Smith possessed body is right
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: next to him in the hospital, and they don't they're
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: sitting next to each other. Yes, all right, so let's
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: jump into the revolution, which is again by all of
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: these same people. Uh, and we come to what we
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: thought was the conclusion of the story. This movie was
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the least successful of the three, but still made seven
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: million dollars in box office worldwide and was the first
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: live action movie to be released both in the regular
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and Imax theaters. It's a really big moment here y'all.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And though this was the third film and last one
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: until recently, there's plenty of material, including video games and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: animated stories of the matrix, so they kept going. It
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: keeps going. Oh, I played that video game. I played
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that game? You win? Uh No, I think so the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: video game I played it takes place between like during
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: reloaded and then between them. But I remember it has
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: actual cut scenes in it, so like I mean cut
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: scenes as in Hugo Weaving, the actor not animated is
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: in it. If he has this scene, I think about
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it all the time where he's like all the agent
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Smiths are coming out into the hall and he's like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I am the Alpha to eu Omega the beginning to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: your End. He was so good, he like chewed on
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that role. It kind of defined him. To see him
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in another trilogy later on was like, what, he's nice.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Really okay? But back to with Neo and a Coma
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and they are down several ships, including Captain Niolee's ship
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and crew. They haven't found them yet. They were able
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: to find another, but only had one surviving passenger as
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the e MP had been detonated, killing everyone else around them. Yep,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you guess that it's Smith Slash Baine who we see
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: laying there, who is also in a coma. While Zion
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: is preparing for an impending attack by the machines, we
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: have the rest of the crew trying to get back
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to Zion as soon we find that Niobe and her
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: crew are alive, but their ship is down. With the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: help of the others, they get the ship running again,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: but as they plan to make their way back trying
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: to get back to the Battle of Zion, Morpheus receives
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a message from Sarah, who is a message from the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Oracle about Neo. Neo we find is currently stuck in
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a train station in Nowhere. Here we meet Sati, who
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: was another road program, and her parents who have secured
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a passage to take her back to the Matrix instead
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of deletion. All the while, Morpheus, Trinis and Sarah, after
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: being informed of Neo's location and who holds his key
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to freedom, the merrow Vingian he's back, try to negotiate
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Neo's return, which ends up being in a hostile moment.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Neo tries to board the train, but it's not allowed
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: as the conductor works for the mayor Vingian and it's stuck,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: so he's just stuck, but we soon see that Trinity
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: is willing to take everyone down, including herself, to get
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to Neo and wins and is reunited with Neo happy
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: days Before returning to the real world, though he meets
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: up with the Oracle one last time where he sees
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Satia again as she is with her now um and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Arcle has changed her form due to the need to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: hide and all the dangers here. She talks about the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: real danger of Smith and his plan to take down
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the real world and the Matrix. She talks about the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: fact that they're in one and the same, or rather
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: opposites and the same, kind of like the Alpha and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the Omega, and soon after Neo leaves, we see Smith
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: taking over all the people there, including the Oracle. That
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: means he also has premonitions. Now. Upon their return, we
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: find the rest of the captains and crews trying to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: find a way to make it back to Zion. They
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: are aware that the machines are coming. Bain Smith wakes
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: up kills the crew member after being questioned and saying
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: he didn't remember what happened. Uh Neo asked how take
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: a ship to the Machine city so that as he
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: now knows that he needs to be there and not
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: in Zions, so they're trying to separate. After a little
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: bit of an argument, Niobe gives him her ship as
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: she too had a visit with the Oracle, and though
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: not a believer in the One, believes in Neo. As
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: they part way, so we see that Baine has stuck
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: on the ship with Neo and the other crew members
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: discovered the body of the one who was killed. Oh
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: no um. Though they now know Neo is in danger,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: they had to continue their way to Zion or it
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: will be too late. So right row, Neo and Trinity
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: are ambushed by Baine slash Smith who Baine who Neo
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: discovers a Smith and we have another great scene with
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Neo being blinded and killing Bain in the most explosive
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: type of manner. But it's okay because now Neo can
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: truly see, so we're good. But Trinity now has to
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: pilot the ship As they make their way to the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Machine City. We get to see the beautiful sky for
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a second, but then they plummet back down. As they
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: make their way into the center, they crash, which kills
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Trinity slowly by the way, but she's a will to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: confess her love to Neo and as she takes her
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: final breath, back to the other captains and the Hammer,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: which is the ship they're currently on with Niobe at
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the helm, they fly through perilous ways as they're being
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: attacked and the signals are trying to stop them from
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: returning to Zion, but we see all the action happening
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: all on the docks as well of Zion trying to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: keep the machines out of the main city. So many
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: die trying to fend off the mini mini machines, but
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they hear that the Hammer is coming in. The team
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: up to open the way for the Hammer to come in.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Niobe's skilled piloting brings them in, which allows them to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: use the e MP to kill all the machines in
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the city. However, the commander is not too happy as
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: it also kills all the defenses and leaves them vulnerable
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: for more attacks. And oh my god, we see the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: giant swarm of machines coming to destroy Zion. But back
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to Neo, who has made it to the center and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: bargains with the Machine, who agrees and sends him back
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: into the Matrix to fight Smith. Another epic fight ensues
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of interesting effects. I do like the rain
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: scene and they make for pretty sounds, with Neo giving
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: up and being taken over by Smith, which then the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: machine uses to infiltrate and explode all the other Smiths,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: defeating him and ultimately killing Neo as well. So Neo
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: sacrificed himself. But with the deal made by Neo, this
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: stops the war with the Truth, and we see all
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the machines leaving Zion, and as Zion celebrates in relief,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: we see that the Matrix is rebooted and the return
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of the Oracle, Sati and Seraf. As it ends, we
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: watched the Oracle and Architect, who by the way, is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the one at the source remember, who had referred to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: themselves as the Mother and the Father of the Matrix,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: discussed the current state of truth, allowing for peace for
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: quote as long as it can and the humans who
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: desire to be unplugged to do so. We also see Sati,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: who has made a beautiful sunset to honor Neo, asking
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: me if they would ever see Neo again, to which
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the Oracle replies, I think so, and it ends with
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the Bay says of belief, meaning if not knowing for
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: sure if it would in this way, but believing it would,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: because that's how she said when Sarah asked her, did
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you know? And she says, I didn't, but I believed. Um.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So that's Finn or is it or is it? Gosh?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: There will be a test at the end of this one. Listeners,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: this is this is a lot. We finally arrive at
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: The Matrix Directions, which is a one American sci fi
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: action movie that is directed and produced and co written
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: by Lana Wachowski. Kana Reeves and Carrie and Fisher reprised
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: their roles of Neo and Trinity, and Jada Pinkett Smith
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: as a much older Naobe. I forgot how bad as
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: she is in those movies. Man, it's a good pilot.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: So Lambert Wilson as the Maravenian returns and a plethora
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of new actors playing old characters, including Yaha abdulma Team
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the Second as Morpheus, Priyanka Chopra Jonas as Sati, and
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Groff as Agent Smith, and play of new characters
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: like Jessica Henwick as Bugs and Neil Patrick Harris as
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the Analyst. Okay, but yeah, the plot is confusing to condense,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: but essentially, this movie picks up sixty years after the
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: events of Matrix Revolutions Um, though in the Matrix construct
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: in the film has been twenty years okay um Neo
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: once again going by the name Thomas Anderson, is a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: successful video game developer for the company Do Makina, who
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: created the hit series of The Matrix and is now
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: working on a series called Binary. But he has trouble
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: distinguishing reality from fiction, and as the audience, you do too,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and I think that's very purposeful. But um, Ever since
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: he's tried to fly by stepping off the roof out
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: in a wards there simony, he's been in therapy and
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: he takes blue pills. His therapist, played by Neil Patrick
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Harris prescribes many of his episodes involve him believing the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Matrix is real and that he is, in fact Neo
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: and is once again trapped in a virtual world. There
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: are hints at the Matrix everywhere, including the therapist. Black
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Cat Deja Vu is its name, though it's implied this
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: is an instance of life influencing art, as in he
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: didn't like the cat, so he named something in his
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: game based on the cat. And there is a woman
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: named Tiffany played by Carrie in Moss who Neo keeps
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: running into at a coffee shop named simulatte Uh. Tiffany
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: is married mom, and she does remind you of Trinity,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and the two strike up a friendship. Neo is informed
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: by his boss that they are making a new matrix game,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: despite the fact that Neo refused to do so and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to do so. In the brainstorming process, Neo
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: starts to feel like he's on a treadmill getting nowhere
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: stops taking his pills. At the same time, he is
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: secretly running a modal Um, which for our purposes is
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: basically a simulation used to develop game characters. UH. It
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: is running on a loop, playing at the moment where
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Trinity discovered Neo over and over again, but something's kind
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: of off about it. Real world Rebel Bugs discovers it
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and a computer program embodying Morpheus in there, and she
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: rescues this UH program Morpheus. They also learned that Neo
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: is alive and in the matrix and make plans to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: extract him. After I botched first attempt, Neo describes to
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: try his hand at flying again, only for Bugs stop
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: him and get him out, and it's revealed his boss
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is Agent Smith, so he's like Boss at the Game
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Company played by Jonathan Groff is Agent Smith. Okay, So,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Neo awakes in a pod and sees Trinity in the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: pod next to him, but she has not rescued. He
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: has taken to a new human city that is led
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: by General Iobi, who tells Neo that thanks to him
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and his efforts, some machines have defected and joined up
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: with the humans, something many never believe possible. Neo a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: snob to allow him to try to rescue Trinity, but
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: she refuses, locking him up. With the help of Bugs
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and crew at, Neo escapes in the inner of the Matrix,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: where they encounter a bunch of exile programs, including Smith,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: who is now kind of a Silicon Valley bro and
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the Mayor of Engine. They want to return the Matrix
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to its original form. In the ensuing fight, Neo slowly
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: recovers his abilities, the flight still eludes him. They locate Trinity,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: but Neo's therapist, who reveals he's a program called the
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Analyst who can manipulate time. He's got his villain monologue,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: telling Neo He was created to study the human psyche,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and after Trinity and Neo's death, he resurrected them to
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: study them, eventually realizing that if he suppressed their memories,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: that kept them close enough to each other that they
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: were like almost always touching, but not quite. This was
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the most effective way to run the Matrix. It was
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: the most efficient. When Neo was freed from his pod,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: it triggered a fail safe reboot, but the analyst convinced
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: his bosses to put it off that Neo would voluntarily
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: return if he's threatened to kill Trenity. Neo and co
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: make a very complicated plan to free Trinity, and Neo
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: makes a deal out of Trinity decides to stay in
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the Matrix rather than wake up he will return to
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: his pod voluntarily. A confrontation in Zu's it looks like
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: all is lost, but then Trinity reclaims her identity. The
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: analyst tries to kill her, but it is attacked by Smith,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: who is angry that he was trapped in the Matrix too.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: A big end fight follows, and when cornered, Neo and
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Trinity jump off a building, but it turns out now
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Trinity can fly. Trinity has control over the matrix UM
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and she and Neo returned to confront the analysts and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: tell him they are going to make the matrix as
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: they see fit, and then they fly away together the end.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: So far as yeah, like he said to me, this
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: gotten Mixture of you was, but it definitely has a
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: lot of interesting stuff going on. Also, after repeatedly saying
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: they did not want Tous equal to the matrix after
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Matrix revolutions, Lana Wachowski says she came up with this
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: idea one night when she couldn't sleep after her parents
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: one of her best friends died in twenty nineteen in
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: separate instances, and she said it was comforting to return
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to these characters. And that's where all this idea came from.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And so, first of all, listeners, thank you for sticking around.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: There's a lot, but there are a lot of interesting
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: things when it comes to feminism around these um I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: did want to touch on, you know, speaking of returning
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to characters that are comforting to you. This movie is
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: extremely meta. This new one is extremely so meta. It's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: very nostalgic. Christina Ricci pops up as Gwyndevere, which I thought,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, these movies have always been very symbolic. There's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a lot thought around, you know, the names that people choose.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: But also I remember my friend Katie's mom gave me
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a book of like the Religion of the Matrix. It
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: is very like Neo the one Jesus you got signing,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like all of these things. I loved makin a Binary.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It's very on the nose with a lot of what
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it's doing. I mean, I told you like when I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: originally watched the sort, when this origion that came out,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I was really big into the Christian world and we
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: were teaching a lot of different courses, and of course
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: it had to be relevant, and at that point in time,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Matrix was very, very relevant, and it was used for
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: curriculums literally to teach about Jesus and being what it
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: looks like to have a savior and being unplugged, so
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: getting out of the secular world into the Christian world
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and what that really looks like like it really made
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a flip. And when I was reading about these things,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: they said, there's thousands upon thousands of essays based on
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: these movies. To the point that the writer, I think
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: it was the box writer, that we're gonna talk about
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: a minute, so they couldn't find all of them, and
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: it was just like a very rough like look to it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: And of course it has. It has been translated into
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: so many whether it's conspiracy theories and or awakening ideas
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and or any of these things. It has led to
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of reckoning within our culture, to the point
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that the Matrix is literally people know what you're referring to?
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Are we in the Matrix? Yeah? They had a huge
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: cultural impact. I mean, if if you somehow missed it, listeners,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: everyone was quoting them. Everyone was doing the bullet time
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: stince discussing what they meant if it was possible we
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: were living in a computer simulation. It changed film technology
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and film at large when they came out. These did
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: come out when we were slowly getting more and more people.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: We'd had the Internet in our homes for a while,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: more and more people had computers or phones. It was
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: like technologically kind of happening alongside, and we did have
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: these questions. So the commentary on the DVD for The
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Matrix is the most awkward commentary I've ever heard. I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: don't normally listen to DVD commentaries, but like I said,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I was a huge fan. And it was between like
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the special effects guy who came up with bullet Time
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and one of the producers and they got in like
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a fight in the middle and there was just silence
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: for about thirty minutes. So if you want to if
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you love that awkwardness, that's for you. But it's it's intense.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: And then the producer tried to make amends and he
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: was like, I like that effect, and the guy was like, anyway,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: in this new movie, there is a whole scene where
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: there's a brainstorming session where they asked, like what did
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: people like about the matrix and they you know, say
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: like bullet time or the big fight scenes, or that
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: it messed with your head, or that it was about
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: trans rights. And that has been one of the conversations
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: around these because when we're looking at, you know, directly
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: or not how people interpreted this um some people did think,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you know, it's trans politics and you know the dead
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: naming real name when Neo says like, my name is Neo.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: And after Lana and Lily transition, this became a really
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: popular interpretation of the meaning of the first three, which
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: is directly commented on in the meta First act of
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Resurrections when the developer says, like, yes, the Matrix was
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: about trans politics. The characters switch was written as trans
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: in the first movie, but the depiction was changed at
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the last minute because the studio was confused. And in
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the documentary Disclosure, Lily Wachowski said, the Matrix was all
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: about the desire for transformation, but it was all coming
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: from a closeted point of view. That was a huge
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: deal and coming a lot later, we kind of had
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: this conversation you and because when it came out it
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: was the Watowski brothers um and I was like, huh,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: how does the sport because they made a huge name
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: for themselves and both of them transition. Of course, it
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: was a few years apart when they came out it's
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: beautiful and I'm like, well, this is amazing. I love
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: claiming this for the trans community because it really does
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: feel like, huh, there's a lot to be said when
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you see the background. Now. Of course I don't think
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: they did say this, but I don't think they tried
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: to push that as what they were trying to say.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: To the point, like there has been an argument about
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: who's claiming the movie for what it was, and of course,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: being from that religious background, seeing this now, I'm not
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: gonna lie, I smile knowing that they were wrong. Yeah. Well,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: it's funny because they've both been pretty outspoken about how
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: it kind of annoys them when people are so like,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: what does the matrix mean? Um, and all all of
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: these examinations into it, and I think it's funny that
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: they sort of well they talk about it at the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: beginning of resurrections of I think somebody says like, I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to have to have
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a syllables to understand this game, but it is. Yeah, yeah,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: it wasn't interesting. How let me put this when I
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: said they were wrong, I mean the Christian world was wrong,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: but that that narrative, not the trance community, the narrative
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: of the Christian because I think I said that weirdly.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, yeah, And then we're gonna
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: have returned to that in a second, because that's another
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: thing that I think it's been very frustrating as how
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: this has been co opted and completely used in a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: way that was not the intent. Right, there are several
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: conversations around binary in in this new one, and even
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: if it comes down to the pill, you know, the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: red or the blue. There's also the casting of two
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: gay men, Groff and Harris, as villains. While there's been
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a very long and troubled history of having queer coded villains,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: this choice seems very purposeful for Smith. Some of you
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Hugo weavings betrayal of him in the original. That's sort
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: of a closeted like Preacher, a priest kind of thing,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: self loathing, very conversion therapy type, like he just loves Yeah,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: he hates himself. It's like dripping off of him. He's
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: always trying to squash anything outside of the accepted quote
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: natural order in resurrections. Many interpreted Groff is playing him
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: as out of the closet um and there are many
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: lines directly commenting on Neo and Agent smith shipping, which, well,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I that's when I was thinking of that video game
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I am the alphits here. Omega's a different with the
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: fan fiction world now, oh dear, oh dear, oh nearro dear,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: an infinite space thing, but maybe not come on, but
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: kind of going back to your point. They've also the
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Witchaskis have also said, while like the reading of trans
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: rights and trance politics is you know, definitely part of it.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: It's not it was like meant to be, not just that,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: like also gay men also, like you know, everybody under
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: the queer umbrella, but that it was purposeful the the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: casting choice here and including gay men because as the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: audience we know, you know all these are two very
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: well known gay men. Some even think that having the
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: game series the matrix in the movie symbolized rainbow capitalism
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: are performative LGBTQ plus ally ship, which I thought was
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: an interesting, interesting interpretation the original movies they really did
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: believe in like that was a statement against capitalism in itself,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: like they to that point, and I'm like, oh, and
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: as a high school are coming into college, I didn't
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: understand capitalism as it is, like what why are we
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: raging against capitalism? It just not a very communist like
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: type of talk, which you know we've grown. And I'm like, oh,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, I get the impact.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: But at that point then that's not what I saw.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Of course, again, movies like this fit to your narrative
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: oftentimes it's speaks to you in that point in of view.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: So for me, it was not necessarily about capitalism. But
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: looking back, it was it was a conversation about who
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: controls what and how it's controlled, and who owns what
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: and who's allowed what. Yes, which is a great segue
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: into what we need to talk about now, which is
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: this whole red pill um choice and systems of control.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: So these movies do look at various systems of control,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: whether it is capitalism or whether it is you know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: machines or drudgery or what have you. Family for women,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: for example, medication therapy. Though the messages that these things
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: are bad, it is that if they consume you, if
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: you can't look beyond anything else, that's bad. Another is
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: rebellion in itself at how these acts get co opted
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: in a capitalist system and lose their meaning or even
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: used to further control people. And we've talked about that
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: with feminism before, how companies don't have good feminist track records,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: but they'll still sell stuff to make money off of feminism, right,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, we could add religion into there
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: as well, because there was that interpretation and that kind
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: of as you said, not everyone believes Neo was the one,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and then for the architect to say, how you're just
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: another system of control. That's interesting. I mean, this definitely
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: goes back to what our fellow watcher was talking about
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: with his own experience and feeling like the cult and
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: being part of this system, and him like seeing this
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and really enlightening him to leave what he considered a
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: cult and finding his own way. Again though, it's really
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: interesting to me because I saw the flip of trying
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to convert people into their belief system so again, because
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that would be morphous. Morpheus is the prophet who's trying
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: to bring it in. Neo could have been the one.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I think the idea that not only was Neo the
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: one that was essentially Morpheus becomes kind of a godlike
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: in themselves and when he becomes ahead of all of
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the things, so a lot of conversations to be had
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and whether and also Smith taking over all of those
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: others becoming his own god or savior. Yeah, one of
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the things I would love to talk about at length,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: but we don't have the time now. But one I
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: was really influenced by how these movies explained choice um
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: and destiny and fate should also be another another thing
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: of control, but I don't know. It just really influenced
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: how I how I think about that whole thing. But yeah,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: um so, as you said, people will a lot of
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: stories like this, especially if it involves like I would say,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: like feelings of disempowerment and rebellion. People will see it
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and make sense of it in their in their lives
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and how they view it. And one of those we
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: have seen from these movies is the whole idea of
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the red pill when it comes to like end cells
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: or just you know, groups like don't that don't like women.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: So in this new one they comment on that too.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: There's discussion of sheeople conspiracy theories, how people believe anything,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: all right, Matrix fans, it's definitely implied that the people
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: are the people who who are believe these conspiracy theories. Yeah,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: there is a definitely not so subtle simmering rage and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: condemnation of Red Pill all writers. We couldn't should do
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a whole episode on this, but briefly in the Matrix, yes,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: taking in the blue pill means staying in a false reality.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Taking the red one means waking up, and the Wachowskis
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: were inspired by a scene in total recall for all
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: of this. Taking the Red pill also implied you got
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: cool fighting skills. Um, you've got to take on the man.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: As the Internet and technology and concerns about AI became
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: more ubiquitous, it got co opted by bad faith Internet
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: people to mean waking up from the lies of liberalism
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: and democracy. The answer is fascism and hating women in
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: their eyes, and that you you wake up to see
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: that women are working against you and it's all rigged,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: some systems against you. The Reddit page are slash red
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: pill went up in twenty twelve, though the term red
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: pill appilled in m R A in a post that
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: um contained this comment m r A being Men's right activists,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: UM quote, women are the natural enemies of men, no
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: matter what anyone says and how good women claim to be.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: That is just the truth. This will never stop, and
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: men will continue under the tyranny of women. Our slash
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: red Pill had three hundred thousand followers. The founder was
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a Republican lawmaker named Robert Fisher, who once said every
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: woman wants to be attractive enough to be raped. So gross,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: All of this is so gross. Um in. Elon Musk
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: tweeted take the red Pill, to which Ivanka Trump responded
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: taken and Lily, would you ask you responded. By the way,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: when I was researching this, at one point someone claimed,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if he did it with a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: plant or what, but Elon Musk was the neo as
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: in like he would be the one, the one women,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that is the biggest who who? Who said this?
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: And why? Why are you trying to ruin such an
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: amazing character with this? Yeah? Yeah, I mean that's the thing,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: and it's just so tragic and frustrating. I can imagine
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: to have it like your work taken and us in
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: a way that is antithetical to who you are. He
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: would be the agent smith, he would be the architects
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: in this thing. What are y'all talking about? Right? Right?
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: And it's so commonplace, like to hear there's a documentary
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: about it. People use it in all kinds of parlance.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Is terms of phrase. Joe Rogan recently said, I took
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: iver mecton and it's part of my red pill regimen.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Is he drinking his own? Now? Oh lord, I don't know.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Just stay away from that, go ahead, and yeah, yeah,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: as I was saying, more than scuff of this podcast.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: But there's also a red Pill Black, which is a
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel by Candice Owens about anti liberal ideas around
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: black people. She made a big deal when she befriended
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Connie she founded the organization. Yeah, it was ugly. And
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: when we were talking about red Pill black I said
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: black Pill, which we kind of mentioned earlier on another
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: episode in which they have taken the red pill, blue pill,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: black pill, and black Pill has become a force of violence,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: essentially taking down women by violence. And I was like, Wow,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: that's a trend. And not only did they one up
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: what was already being completely tainted, uh and what was well?
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about the super and we talked
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: about it because they don't overtly say it in the
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: new movie about who is the one that's taking the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: red pill? So either side just kind of like the
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: original movies when it was the religious non religious either
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: so I could say I'm the hero in this movie,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I'm the right one in this movie because it was
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: never forced, like said out loud, which they shouldn't honestly
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: as a movie in something that's like you can't necessarily
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: lead the audience too much like that, I guess for
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: like a movie like Made Weaks, which already has the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: conspiracy whatever they don't want to tell you the conspiracy.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: You need to choose that for yourself. But it has
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: spawned so much so the black Pill has been created
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: as a whole other level in several different interpretations, And
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the one that we mentioned in our TikTok episode was this,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: which is really concerning because they're making this even worse,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: like why, Yeah, it is very very concerning. And also
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: a point that you made in there that I think
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: is important is I just feel like we're seeing a
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: trend of mostly angry white dudes who feel like they
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: for some reason have been um limited in what they
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: can do. Are like everything that's gone wrong in their
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: life is because the system is against us, and that
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: being you know, like women, whatever it is. But it's
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: almost the level of LARPing and playing a game and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: envisioning yourself as the hero um, which is very very
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: scary because that can lead to a lot of violence
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and if you think, you know, you're the hero for
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: fighting against this system, it's just I think like the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: insurrection at the Capital had that layer of it too,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: people think, oh, I am the hero in this story
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: because I'm fighting against the system, And they also did
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: have a lot of the rhetoric with the Red film
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: h and conspiracy theories as well. Yeah, so moving on,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: we did want to talk about trauma because again, women
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and marginalized folks experience higher levels of trauma, and certainly
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: if you're taking the trans politics reading of this, there's
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of that going on. There's a lot of
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: dead naming. So in the new one, you get to
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: see Neo's reaction to realizing he is once again trapped
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: in a virtual reality, which is juxtaposed against disconcerting differences
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: like different actors playing the characters of Morpheus and Smith
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Um that make this very upsetting and confusing experience for him.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: There are flashbacks, and even if painful for you know,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: sometimes these feel more real, though he fictionalizes some of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the most painful memories as something from a video game.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: After the first encounter at the office with Morpheus and Smith,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Neo appears in his therapist office and he's breathing heavily,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: he's clutching his genes. He's using these grounding techniques that
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: we've talked about, trying to grasp what is real, what
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: is past, and what is present. As the audience, we
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: are as confused as Neo Um at this juncture. Was
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: it all a mental break? Is the matrix real? However,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the therapist slash analyst is dismissive and controlling, kind of
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: like experiences we've talked about of what how damaging it
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: can be if you find a really bad therapist from
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Emily vander Werf at vox and I hope I didn't
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: butcher your name quote, So let me pose it this
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: the matrix directions use of trauma as a seemingly trendy
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: buzzword is similarly in conversation with modern blockbuster culture. The
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: analyst invocation of trauma isn't meant as a strike against
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the concept of trauma as one that blinds us to
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  Speaker 1: the true nature of reality. It's a strike against any
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  Speaker 1: one who would use trauma as an all purpose boogeyman.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: It's a strike against trauma as a cheap storytelling device.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: If we fans demand that our favorite characters return again
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: and again, then we never afford them any sort of
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: final peace or closure. We are asking them to constantly
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: relive their own worst moments the names of our entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: We are inadvertently trapping them in a trauma spiral, and
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: then in stories that insist you can confront your trauma
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: and blow it up if you're sufficiently motivated. What's more,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the Analyst reveals late in the film that he recovered
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Neo in Trinity's dead bodies and rebuilt them. He's the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: one who literally resurrected them. If we're talking about super fans,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: trapping characters and traumatic spirals, then the Analyst does that
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: very thing with Neo and Trinity. He doesn't allow them
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: even the closure of death. He resurrects them and forces
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: them into the roles he likes best, ineffectual drones who
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: are forever yearning to be together but never quite connecting.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: A new character played by Jessica Henwick, the super Rads
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: ship Captain Bugs, who rescues a hero from the Matrix,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: isn't textually a mental health professional, but she serves as
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a mirror image of the analyst. She too is a
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Matrix fan, but she's a Matrix fan who wants to
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: help me know, move on to another phase of his
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: story and its life. She wants him to change and
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: be capable of change. We can want that for him
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: to well, I love that because we've talked about that
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  Speaker 1: a lot about you know, I'm about to see screen five,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, she's never gonna live a happy life
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: as long as we're making these movies happy, and I
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: want her to be happy. It's true, you know, I
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: did think too, as I was saying from our beginning
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: of describing all the movies, that she is at the
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: beginning of this movie as the window washer. So I
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: really feel like they did a parallel and making sure
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you had those two perspective because now he's not afraid
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: of heis he trying to jump off but doesn't. The
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: window washer watches and is unplugged. Because of that, that
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: felt like very like on point to the which houses
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  Speaker 1: and what they would do, and that's how they introduced her,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: and she is now the Captain UM and her and
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Niobe are at odds because Niobe has now become more
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: like the commander who she was at odds with so
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: oftentimes and no longer believed. So there were so many
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: things to that that I was like, it really does
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: they do a good job of layering. They really do
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: a good job of honoring UH these different UH players
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: in the old School. Although there was something like controversy
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: about where all the old characters and so a few
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: of them saying, we didn't know this was happening. Congratulations,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I guess essentially, but I think they did it really
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: well and it makes sense to this point. And also
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: with us, I did think it was important that we
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: talked about the savior versus community, because one thing that
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: can and has been co opted a lot is the
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: idea of saviors or the one. Like almost every adventure
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: movie we have it that one that is prophesied are
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the one which is the whole of the first movie,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: which is what we see with the Matrix. But I
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: did love the other two, and in that same box
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: article they mentioned loving the two just as much and
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: having a while I to be like, calm down, calm down,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: don't hate me, because I really like these But because
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: of what it was doing, with the fact that it
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: was the community and it was a larger theme of
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: battling it together, it really couldn't be just the one.
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  Speaker 1: They had to do it together or it would have
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: all failed. Um and I I like that in the
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: second and the third one, and they talk about the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: captains and the council who are part of the decision
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  Speaker 1: making holding things at bay Um. I also loved the
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: little guy saving the day, the dude who was a
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: sixteen year old that was idolized Neo but became one
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: on his own and really took up the mantle to
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: save the day because he was so grateful to be free.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: And then of course we have the trio the Trinity,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Morpheus and Sarah coming in to rescue Neo. And that's
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: the other part to that that I really did love
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: is that Trinity is oftentimes rescuing him as much as
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: she is rescuing her, and I think that needs to
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: be said. I also do love the turn, and we're
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: talking about this a minute in the New One where
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: she becomes the one. Yeah, so let's talk about that,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: because Trinity, there's a lot of like speaking of red
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: pills in this New Matrix. She is called Tiffany, she
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: has kids, she's married to a guy named Chad, which
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: is very in cell name. I was like, uh huh,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: see what you did there. And she just has a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: lot of interesting character notes where like there's at one
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: point where she talks about how her husband laughed at
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: her um at her observation that she was like Trinity
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: in this game, and he was laughing as if you know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: never you could never be and how angry that made her.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of sexist language used against her
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: by the analyst who says, like, why did you heal
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: for a bit? For so long? He says, Tonio, can't
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: you control her? Women used to be so much easier
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: to control all of these things, And it was It
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: was nice because I've always like, we're watching him, I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I loved Trinity. She was so awesome. Um, she's so badass,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Like it's never a question. She is awesome and she's
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: captain And I love that scene where she's like telling
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Neo like, if you don't like it, you can go
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: to Hell. I'm the captain here, right, I'm going. But
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I also think it's really interesting and I'm glad to
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: see kind of this progression that in the first one,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: the whole her whole Oracle thing is essentially like this guy,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: You're gonna fall in love with this guy and that's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: gonna kind of seal his fate, and so she's sort
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: of defined like through loving Neo, which is at their core.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I think these are like romance. Actually, they're very romantic. Well,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the whole sequence with the architect and the second movie
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: is the basis and the trivial nous of human emotion
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: and love and love being the crux of destruction, which
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: again it's kind of also the themes in many adventure
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: movies such as this. You see that same level of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: like the level save you love, you'll save you, which
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: is a nice thought. But I also think that I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: do love that in this third one she has the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: idyllic life, but that's not what she wanted. Um and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: and and it can resonate for many who I thought
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: this is what they wanted, but maybe it wasn't and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: not seeing themselves, not seeing themselves fully. And I think
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: it also says to something about trans women who are
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: trying to figure themselves out and finding that perfect life
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: and then realizing that's not what they wanted either. Because
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: by all accounts, the Wachowskis were successful, uh and as
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: technically as men, probably had a lot more opportunities given
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: to them because they were seeing as white men, and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: we know when it comes to the hierarchy of who
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: has more power, but now coming out as trans, you know,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: has a whole different point of view, and it's disrupts
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: there there what would be idyllic life to this new
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: found place of finding themselves again and knowing though that
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: idyllic life wasn't what they wanted and so this it
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't satisfying. And I feel like that could be a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: conversation in itself, which she does nicely, literally does nicely,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: and this portion of a scene, I think it reflects
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: on her a little bit. Maybe I'm projecting, but I
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: also like how that the first movie versus the two
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: and three, so we're trying to find the one, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: so her role is a guardian protector and she is
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: badass ready there she's the one that's pulling him in
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: and and and really mentoring him. And then the second
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: and third one she kind of lies in the background
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: as as like the the love interest, not really because
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: she still does badass moves like that that you know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: car City Chase, all of that, but still is like
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: it's about her and him and her trying to find
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: him and making sure he's in, you know, in the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: right place and right time. And then we come back
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: in the fourth where they're trying to find her and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: she is the missing link and she is the one
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: that's got that. So I do like that flip a
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: lot I am imagining half the criticism is coming from
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: men who are like, yeah, but I mean, neo, he's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the one, why why would he? You know, really hating
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: that portion of this, but again like I love the
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: fact that yes, not only Asian one, but they are partners.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: We are back to this and she's ready to go.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: M Yeah. I like the their their partners and they're
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: both so are so badass and together they're gonna fly
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: off and faint rainbows into the matrix. It is implied
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: also that whole like prophecy of loving somebody gave me
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: what I think is one of my best stories I've
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: ever written. And maybe we'll get to it on the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Spin depiction one day, but for now, Wow, what a journey.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: There's so much we could expand on and here definitely
• 1:04:34
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• 1:04:38
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• 1:04:42
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