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- Lucas: So Luna, we've talked a lot about what a short tenure does to your resume, your salary, even your mental health. But there's one thing we've never really dug into, and it's the thing that actually keeps people from leaving a job after eleven months. Luna: The reference. Right? Lucas: Exactly. You've been there maybe ten months. You've done decent work, but you haven't exactly built a deep relationship with your manager. And now you're thinking about leaving, and the first thing that hits you is, who do I put down as a reference? And will they even say something good? Luna: It's a real fear. I remember a friend who stayed at a job she hated for two extra years because she couldn't bear the thought of asking her boss for a reference. And she was a great employee. Lucas: Yeah, that's the thing. And honestly, before we go deep here, I want to mention something. If you're listening and you've ever made a career move, or you're thinking about one, and this show has helped you think it through in any way, we'd love it if you'd consider supporting us. It's a small thing, but listener support is what keeps this ad-free. If you're able, you can buy us a coffee at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. That's it. No pressure at all. Luna: Yeah, we really appreciate that. It genuinely helps us keep doing this. Okay, back to references. Lucas: So the first thing to know is that the reference check is not nearly as formal as people think. Most of the time, it's a quick call with HR or the hiring manager, and they're really just looking for confirmation. Did this person work here? What was their title? Would you rehire them? It's less of a character deep dive and more of a smoke detector. Luna: A smoke detector. I like that. So you're saying the stakes are lower than people imagine? Lucas: Lower, yes, but not zero. There's a stat that's been floating around for a while that says something like seventy percent of employers have dropped a candidate because of a bad reference. I've seen different numbers, but the point is, a bad reference can absolutely sink you. The good news is, a short tenure reference doesn't have to be bad if you handle the ask correctly. Luna: Okay, so let's talk about the ask. Because I think that's where people freeze. Lucas: Right. Most people do this vague, awkward version. They'll say something like, 'Hey, uh, I'm applying to other places, would you be able to be a reference?' And that's a terrible way to ask. It puts your manager in an uncomfortable spot, and you get a generic answer that doesn't help you. Luna: So what's a better way? Lucas: The better way is to be specific and to give them an out. You say something like, 'I've really enjoyed working with you and I've learned a lot. I'm exploring a new opportunity, and I was wondering if you'd feel comfortable giving me a positive reference. If you don't think you can, I completely understand, and I won't put you down.' That does two things. It shows respect for their honesty, and it gives them permission to say no without it being weird. Luna: That's good. And it also forces them to be honest with you. If they hesitate, you know not to use them. Lucas: Exactly. And that's a huge advantage. You'd rather find out on the phone than have them tank your candidacy later. But here's the thing — the timing is critical. You need to have that conversation before you resign, not after. Luna: Wait, really? You're saying you should ask your boss for a reference before you even tell them you're leaving? Lucas: Not in a sneaky way. But you can have a general career conversation. You know, you might say, 'I'm thinking about my long-term growth, and I value your perspective. If I were to look at other opportunities, would you be willing to support me?' That way, you're not blindsiding them with a resignation letter and a reference request at the same time. It gives them time to think about it, and it builds goodwill. Luna: Hmm, but what if your manager is the reason you're leaving? Like, you have a toxic boss. Do you really want to ask them for anything? Lucas: That's a fair point, and it's a real situation. If your manager is toxic, you might not want to use them at all. But you can still have that conversation, because you might be able to negotiate a neutral reference. You could say, 'I understand you might not be able to give a glowing reference, but would you be willing to confirm my dates of employment and that I resigned in good standing?' That's a very common thing to ask for, and most HR departments will confirm that regardless of what the manager thinks of you. Luna: So you're saying you can leave a job and still get a neutral reference that doesn't hurt you. Lucas: Right. And that's often enough. Recruiters know that if you're leaving, especially after a short tenure, there's a reason. And they're not expecting a glowing five-star review. They just want to know you're not a liability. So the bar is lower than people think. Luna: Okay, but let's talk about what the reference actually says. Because even if your manager likes you, a short tenure means they haven't seen you through a full performance cycle, a big project, maybe even a quarterly review. How do they talk about you substantively? Lucas: That's the crux. And it's why the ask needs to include a bit of framing. When you ask, you can give them a cheat sheet. You might say, 'I'd appreciate it if you could mention my work on the inventory system rewrite, and how I jumped in on that client escalation.' You're essentially feeding them examples you want them to highlight. Most managers will be happy to have the material, because it makes their job easier. Luna: So it's almost like you're co-writing your own reference. Lucas: Exactly. And that's not manipulative. It's just being helpful. You're giving them a story to tell, and you're ensuring that the story is one you want told. The worst thing you can do is leave it vague, because then they might default to something generic like 'they were a solid employee, but I didn't get to know them well.' Luna: That's the kiss of death, right? Lucas: Yeah, it's a lukewarm reference, and that can be as damaging as a negative one. So you want to give them something specific to anchor on. And even if you've only been there eight months, you've probably done something worth mentioning. Maybe you streamlined a process, maybe you brought a fresh perspective, maybe you just had a great attitude. That counts. Luna: I want to ask about the reference check itself. Like, what do recruiters actually ask when they call? Is it a standard script? Lucas: It varies, but there are a few common questions. They'll ask about your job title and dates of employment, which is easy. They'll ask about your responsibilities and your performance. They might ask about your strengths and weaknesses. And they'll often ask the classic one: 'Would you rehire this person?' That's the big one. A simple yes or no can make or break you. Luna: So you want to make sure your manager says 'yes' to that. Lucas: Absolutely. And that's why the framing matters. If you've had a good relationship, even a short one, most managers will say yes. They want to see you succeed, and they don't want to be the person who sabotages a former employee's career. But if you've burned bridges, or if you just vanish without a conversation, that's when you get a no. Luna: I've also heard that some companies are moving away from references altogether. Is that true in 2026? Lucas: There's a trend, yes. Some companies, especially in tech, are relying more on skills assessments and work samples. But references are still a standard part of the background check for many roles, especially in finance, healthcare, and law. So you can't assume you won't need them. Luna: And what about the fear that a short tenure makes you look like a flight risk? Does a reference even help with that? Lucas: Great point. A reference can actually mitigate that concern. If your manager says, 'They were great, we were sad to see them go, but the role wasn't the right fit,' that tells the recruiter you left for the right reasons, not because you're flaky. So a strong reference is your best tool to counter the flight-risk label. Luna: So it's not just about getting a good reference, it's about using it strategically in your job search. Lucas: Exactly. And here's a practical tip: when you list references on your application, don't just list them as 'reference.' Give a one-line context. Like, 'John Smith, former manager, worked together on the 2025 digital transformation project.' That primes the recruiter to ask about that project, and it gives your reference a conversation starter. Luna: That's smart. I've also heard that you should 'warn' your reference when they might get called. Like, let them know the job you're applying for, so they can tailor their comments. Lucas: Yes, a hundred percent. You should always give your reference a heads-up when you've had an interview that might lead to a reference check. Send them a quick email or text: 'Hey, I just had a great interview with X company, they might be calling you. Here's the role, and I highlighted my work on Y. Thanks again.' It takes two minutes, and it makes them feel prepared and appreciated. Luna: And what about the awkwardness of asking a reference from a job you left during a probation period? Like, you were there for two months and you knew it wasn't going to work. Lucas: That's a tougher one. In that case, you might be better off not listing that job at all, or using a colleague who you connected with, rather than your manager. You don't have to list every job on your resume, and you can always explain the gap with a brief note about finding the right fit. But if you do want to use a reference from that short stint, you'd need to have built enough of a relationship in those two months, which is hard. In that case, I'd say, focus on your other references. Luna: So what's the one thing you should never do when asking for a reference? Lucas: Never lie. Never say you're leaving for a reason that isn't true, because it can come back to haunt you. Also, never ask for a reference from someone you haven't talked to in over a year. That's a polite way to get a 'no' or a lukewarm response. And never, ever give a reference without their permission. That's a huge red flag to recruiters. Luna: Alright, so to wrap up: the key is to be proactive, specific, and respectful. Ask early, give them an out, and feed them talking points. Lucas: Exactly. And remember, a short tenure doesn't have to mean a weak reference. It just means you have to be intentional about how you ask. The worst thing you can do is let the fear of a reference keep you stuck in a job that's not right for you. I'd love to hear from listeners who have successfully navigated a short-tenure reference — what worked for you? Luna: Yeah, we'd love to hear your stories. Maybe we can do a follow-up episode on that. Lucas: That's a great idea. Until next time, keep moving forward.