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- 0:00[SPEAKER_03]: What you are listening to now is the central Indian esports report podcast number three hundred and forty six point one The culturey part with micro-itch and will rutherford With the latest update on the Indianapolis Colts at their training camp and their trip to Baltimore for a An unofficial scrimmage on Tuesday before their first preseason game on Thursday
- 0:29[SPEAKER_03]: The first official Colts Depth Depth Chart came out on Monday and we examined that.
- 0:38[SPEAKER_03]: And of course we talked about the quarterback position and what are our expectations?
- 0:45[SPEAKER_03]: Who should start and how it will go?
- 0:47[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate Will and Mike filling in.
- 0:50[SPEAKER_03]: We do not yet have a Colts guy or down.
- 0:54[SPEAKER_03]: if you are interested please text me please do not call the school year begins on Wednesday and I'm back in the classroom but text me with your level of interest whether you want to be a coldsperson or just a contributor from time to time and we will discuss it figure things out and go from there.
- 1:15[SPEAKER_03]: Media experience is great but not a must at all
- 1:19[SPEAKER_03]: If you like to talk about the cult, and most importantly, if you are passionate about the cult, we want to hear from you.
- 1:35[SPEAKER_00]: You're listening to the central Indiana Sports Report, with your host, Greg Mendel.
- 1:44[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome Colts fans to the Central Indiana Sports Report.
- 1:47[SPEAKER_03]: I'm your host Greg Mengal here with Will Rutherford of the Will Rutherford Show and our Pacers guy, Mike Rich, because we are still looking for a Colts guy.
- 1:57[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to come on the Central Indiana Sports Report and talk Colts a couple times a week, react to games, recap the games, preview, do a Colts report every week.
- 2:08[SPEAKER_03]: But here we are because there are lots of Colts news coming out of camp.
- 2:13[SPEAKER_03]: and wanted to talk to Will who's filling in as our Colts guy and Mike Riches here also a huge Colts fan.
- 2:18[SPEAKER_03]: So some big news guys today and the thing that jumped out to me on the depth chart that was released Monday for the first time as the preseason gets underway Thursday against the Ravens was the apparently the defensive backfield is so good that Jalen Johnson isn't starting.
- 2:37[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a good sign.
- 2:38[SPEAKER_03]: The other thing is that
- 2:40[SPEAKER_03]: AD Mitchell who apparently seven a good camp isn't on the first team despite pitman being out, which is a little concerning.
- 2:48[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't, I don't find it that concerning.
- 2:50[SPEAKER_02]: Pitman is going to be the starter either way.
- 2:52[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it's going to be a receiver room by committee.
- 2:56[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really think one through four matters that much.
- 2:59[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to each get their targets.
- 3:00[SPEAKER_02]: They all play slightly different.
- 3:02[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not like
- 3:03[SPEAKER_02]: They're eating up each others.
- 3:06[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, down to the slot guy, Alep Pierce is the down field threat.
- 3:11[SPEAKER_02]: Pitman's more of the possession receiver, AD is kind of in between, I guess, Pierce and Pitman, but overall, I mean, I don't see where.
- 3:21[SPEAKER_02]: ADB and four under peer really makes that big of a difference.
- 3:25[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I think that they're each going to see time, they're going to play a bunch.
- 3:29[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you look at the depth chart and it's a receiver room that while there's no stars, I think it's more than capable receiving room at the NFL level.
- 3:39[SPEAKER_03]: No surprise that Chavarius Ward is starting at one corner, the other though, was rookie Justin Wally over Jalen Johnson, which probably has to be good news, right?
- 3:52[SPEAKER_02]: If Jalen Johnson's the third corner, you've got to like what they're going to be able to do outside.
- 3:56[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, as far as the seventh round pick, I mean, he was about as good as the steals.
- 4:01[SPEAKER_02]: You get the, I mean, the fact that you get a seventh rounder that makes your team, it's kind of your shooting, you know,
- 4:08[SPEAKER_02]: blind basically in the seventh round.
- 4:10[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's important to recognize that he's been an impact player last year for the team due to various injuries.
- 4:17[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that you have to assume that you're going to experience some injuries in the corner room.
- 4:23[SPEAKER_02]: It's a position that they take a lot of stress on the body.
- 4:28[SPEAKER_02]: It's a soft tissue kind of hell.
- 4:30[SPEAKER_02]: I would say as far as a position group.
- 4:32[SPEAKER_02]: So I expect him to play a lot.
- 4:34[SPEAKER_02]: But
- 4:35[SPEAKER_02]: It just gives them more flexibility as far as the looks they want to do the matchups.
- 4:41[SPEAKER_02]: I really like that he's their third corner.
- 4:44[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of which, you said that Wally had an injury today.
- 4:48[SPEAKER_03]: Anything that we know any update?
- 4:50[SPEAKER_03]: Not a whole lot.
- 4:51[SPEAKER_02]: I was looking at Twitter.
- 4:53[SPEAKER_02]: James Boyd was actually in Baltimore.
- 4:56[SPEAKER_02]: He's the Colts writer for the athletic.
- 4:59[SPEAKER_02]: And he really didn't go into specifics just simply saying that there could have been a knee injury today that
- 5:05[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he did not complete the whole practice.
- 5:08[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
- 5:09[SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine that we'll be looking for updates.
- 5:12[SPEAKER_02]: That's would be a big loss to have your first joint practice.
- 5:16[SPEAKER_02]: You have your rookie, you know, slotted in as the starting corner already suffering an injury would would be bad.
- 5:23[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, you've got Jalen there kind of in the weeds waiting for an opportunity.
- 5:29[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe it's not a bad thing.
- 5:30[SPEAKER_02]: This, this team has a ton of potential that just comes down to can they reach it.
- 5:37[SPEAKER_03]: The other news coming from the depth chart is that the cults wrote in Anthony Richardson and and and they would all in capitals Daniel Jones as their number one quarterback wouldn't it be more appropriate Mike that just leave number one blank and put them both and number two.
- 5:59[SPEAKER_01]: That would make a little more sense, but I don't know what they're doing with the colts, but a quarterback position.
- 6:04[SPEAKER_01]: I think they really want Richardson to have a breakout year.
- 6:11[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we all do.
- 6:13[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're just biting at, you know,
- 6:16[SPEAKER_01]: hoping that something's going to happen.
- 6:20[SPEAKER_01]: He's looked good.
- 6:21[SPEAKER_01]: He's lost ten pounds.
- 6:23[SPEAKER_01]: He's tram, he's thin.
- 6:24[SPEAKER_01]: He's super athletic.
- 6:28[SPEAKER_01]: He worked out in the off season.
- 6:30[SPEAKER_01]: He says he's working on the playbook.
- 6:32[SPEAKER_01]: He says he's coming in early to learn and learn and learn.
- 6:37[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just hope he produces more than fifty percent completion rate.
- 6:42[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's the key.
- 6:44[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he can have all the athletic ability in the world, but if you can't throw the ball ten yards, I mean, we're not getting anywhere.
- 6:52[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got plenty of offensive weapons to throw too.
- 6:55[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a great new tie-dance.
- 6:57[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a great running back.
- 6:58[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a decent offensive line.
- 7:02[SPEAKER_01]: You know, everything set up for him to succeed.
- 7:06[SPEAKER_01]: I really hope he does.
- 7:07[SPEAKER_01]: I really hope we don't have to go to Daniel Jones.
- 7:12[SPEAKER_02]: I mean the cults are looking for every reason to start Richardson like he he's got the leg up he's had he's had the leg up the whole time like I they were looking boy it was one of those where you go out in the media you challenge them you say hey we're bringing in the sky to compete but we know deep down do you don't waste a fourth overall pick on the draft and not give them the leg up in the opportunity Jones can get shipped off
- 7:38[SPEAKER_02]: He can at the trade deadline.
- 7:40[SPEAKER_02]: There's a team that will probably come calling if there's an injury in training camp somehow or a quarterback's unable to go and they know that they're not starting to handle Jones trade them.
- 7:50[SPEAKER_02]: There's no there's no net loss.
- 7:52[SPEAKER_02]: It's a bad situation if Daniel Jones is your quarterback for more than half of the season.
- 7:57[SPEAKER_02]: If he's if you have to rely on him if he's the quarterback in any capacity, it's they're not
- 8:02[SPEAKER_02]: reaching anywhere near to that potential that I talked about.
- 8:05[SPEAKER_02]: Richardson is the only way that they achieve what they can achieve.
- 8:10[SPEAKER_02]: It's Richardson or bust.
- 8:11[SPEAKER_02]: Either it's either Richardson or you start over, right?
- 8:14[SPEAKER_02]: I think I at this point I think so.
- 8:16[SPEAKER_02]: And you've got new ownership.
- 8:18[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's Richardson or bust for the, you know, the GM, the coaches, the opposite of more data, right?
- 8:25[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely is, I mean, he's a fantastic athlete.
- 8:29[SPEAKER_01]: He is.
- 8:31[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, again, he's got to be able to make the passes.
- 8:36[SPEAKER_01]: His footwork has improved this preseason that they have seen progress there, which that's where it all starts is with the feet.
- 8:42[SPEAKER_01]: I'm making sure, you know, you're balanced when you're throwing the ball.
- 8:48[SPEAKER_01]: He's definitely dangerous if he can run, but nobody wants to see him run, because as soon as he gets hit, he's out.
- 8:55[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it's for his sake, for the organization's sake, it's one of those where you just got to live with the consequences of him running.
- 9:02[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you're not using him to his fullest ability, then really what's the point.
- 9:10[SPEAKER_02]: I fear an injury, but at the same time, he's running to some tough luck.
- 9:16[SPEAKER_02]: This point for me, for Richardson's career as a starting quarterback and maybe a quarterback at all at the NFL level, he's got to improve this year.
- 9:24[SPEAKER_02]: If he's not, I'd complete in the ball at fifty percent, even fifty five to fifty eight.
- 9:31[SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of teams aren't going to want to come call for him to be their backup quarterback because he's not going to give you stability.
- 9:37[SPEAKER_02]: He's a freak athlete, a plus athlete, but this is the year that I mean, this is now a third training camp.
- 9:43[SPEAKER_02]: This is this third everything.
- 9:44[SPEAKER_02]: I know he's been injured at times, but like at some point as a professional, even at twenty two years old, like you just have to take that next step otherwise you're not looking at a second contract and you're not really looking at a prosperous NFL career at all.
- 10:00[SPEAKER_01]: I think you hit it right on the nail on the head there with a piece twenty two.
- 10:05[SPEAKER_01]: He's a year older than I am.
- 10:07[SPEAKER_01]: And he's expected to take a franchise to play off to winning playoff games and you know he's still one of the youngest quarterbacks even the quarterbacks coming out last year.
- 10:19[SPEAKER_01]: He's still right there in that age group.
- 10:22[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean the mentality that he has is not there.
- 10:25[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully he's maturing.
- 10:29[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think if he's a little more mature and he understands what that role is and he works at his craft.
- 10:36[SPEAKER_01]: I think what I see as he's putting it, you know, from what I'm reading is he's putting it in the effort.
- 10:44[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's ever not put in the effort.
- 10:46[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's been maybe not smart about the way he's approached things.
- 10:51[SPEAKER_03]: But I think the book on him is always that Ben that he's there and he's studying and he's working, at least that he had an expected level.
- 10:59[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to say this for any, in this should go with really without saying for Coltsman's too.
- 11:05[SPEAKER_02]: It's stipends job to put him in a situation to be successful.
- 11:09[SPEAKER_02]: Like the play calling has to improve.
- 11:12[SPEAKER_02]: Like they have to use him in a way that highlights his strength.
- 11:18[SPEAKER_02]: and masks his weaknesses whether right wrong or different wherever you have to do like the playbook and the play calling has to be set in a way that it allows his weaknesses to be masked until they can be improved on and if it's anything less of that he can't be scapegoated about you know we're calling up the plays and Richard's just simply not performing like no strike and it's on you
- 11:39[SPEAKER_02]: that the play calling has to tailor him it's it's it's it's absolutely if if if Daniel Jones is the starting quarterback for the in Apple's Colts chain cycle is looking to be an offensive coordinator next year
- 11:54[SPEAKER_02]: Or he's gonna get paid to play golf.
- 11:56[SPEAKER_02]: There's really no in between.
- 11:58[SPEAKER_02]: He's not dumb.
- 11:59[SPEAKER_02]: It's a business and ballards the same way.
- 12:02[SPEAKER_02]: That's why there will be pressure because they're going to be unemployed if this season is really anything short of
- 12:10[SPEAKER_02]: fighting for a playoff spot and seeing hope somewhere.
- 12:13[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a team that should be playing for the playoffs.
- 12:16[SPEAKER_03]: And the only way you see hope is with Anthony Rich.
- 12:18[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
- 12:19[SPEAKER_01]: And we've been on the cast for the last two years being in the playoffs.
- 12:22[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean we've had hope.
- 12:24[SPEAKER_01]: But we're not reached.
- 12:26[SPEAKER_01]: Not that kind of hope though.
- 12:28[SPEAKER_01]: That championship hope was just all that.
- 12:30[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're not going to get championship hope yet.
- 12:32[SPEAKER_02]: Where's the play calling that made Gardner mention you a more than capable.
- 12:38[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're doing a crazy change, I can play call.
- 12:40[SPEAKER_02]: And the last year was off two years ago, we Gardner mentioned almost took the Colts to the playoffs, barring.
- 12:47[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
- 12:49[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's going to happen but Tyler Goodson not just basically kicking a ball around on fourth and sure which I would like the preface was a brilliant play goal and he was wide open and if he catches the ball it works out I mean that's how close the Colts were to potentially
- 13:06[SPEAKER_02]: making the playoffs last year or two years ago.
- 13:08[SPEAKER_03]: A ton of adversity.
- 13:10[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they, you know, that was, you saw a lot of Jacksonville jump out to the number one seed in the league, all of a sudden, an injury to Lawrence and everybody's been right back in the hunt and the cult's fought their way to get to that point to make the playoffs and they fell short.
- 13:26[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the Titans did the same thing.
- 13:28[SPEAKER_02]: Stroud exceeded expectation, rose that franchise to a place where they ended up making the playoffs, but they're barely making it too.
- 13:36[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I agree.
- 13:37[SPEAKER_02]: No, I agree.
- 13:38[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
- 13:38[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's great.
- 13:41[SPEAKER_03]: The cold stuff only could.
- 13:43[SPEAKER_03]: If everything went well when the AFC South, what's more likely?
- 13:46[SPEAKER_03]: Finishing first or finishing last?
- 13:48[SPEAKER_02]: I think first.
- 13:49[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see them being the worst team, but I guess I could see ever you could make an argument.
- 13:55[SPEAKER_02]: We could go through a whole argument of the AFC South and say each team could
- 14:00[SPEAKER_02]: if it went the right way could be first and if it went wrong it they could be the fourth team and taking the top five winning the division but Jacksonville Houston and Indianapolis you could definitely see all three of those to me are I mean I know Vegas will probably give a slight boost to the Texans just the fact they've won the division the last two years but
- 14:20[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure it's not Jacksonville.
- 14:22[SPEAKER_02]: I think they if they might be the bet there.
- 14:24[SPEAKER_02]: I think on paper as far as their skill players and important positions, they're probably the best team, but I mean, striled if he can be rookie striled, a great quarterback elevates a franchise.
- 14:38[SPEAKER_03]: How should Stike in approach this preseason, particularly game one since that's kind of what we're previewing here?
- 14:47[SPEAKER_03]: I think
- 14:48[SPEAKER_03]: that they should play three quarters at least with the guys who are at least fighting for spots.
- 14:55[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not Taylor, maybe, you know, we know Pitman's not playing.
- 14:59[SPEAKER_03]: I think this team, we need to see a lot of Richardson with the first team.
- 15:05[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're gonna see maybe a quarter and a half with Richardson.
- 15:11[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they're gonna look at much more.
- 15:13[SPEAKER_03]: What do you put the second team with?
- 15:15[SPEAKER_03]: Are the first team with Jones as well?
- 15:18[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you're gonna get, you're gonna see the first team in the second game, but I don't think you're gonna see much of the first team.
- 15:25[SPEAKER_02]: I think you'll probably see the first team play the first half, because you're not gonna bring Jones and Richardson, but either one of them, you're not gonna bring the second team line on.
- 15:37[SPEAKER_02]: That's just not, you're not gonna, you're not gonna put either one of them in a risk of jeopardizing injury or anything.
- 15:43[SPEAKER_02]: If you're putting both of them out there, I think you're putting the starting
- 15:48[SPEAKER_02]: Offensive line out there as well, which honestly with, you know, borderliney and Gonzalez and stuff is not bad to get them extra reps as far as having them as a piece of unit going into the season.
- 15:59[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's really important.
- 16:00[SPEAKER_02]: The skill guys, you know, pitman might pitman might not play.
- 16:04[SPEAKER_02]: Downs probably isn't going to maybe get to target.
- 16:06[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know what you have with those three.
- 16:09[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to see
- 16:11[SPEAKER_02]: Richardson and Daniel Jones probably throwing to some of the second team receivers as well, but the quarterback and throw receiver open.
- 16:22[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not going to sit here and say, well, Richardson was thrown to the second team, so the second team's white sock won't know.
- 16:28[SPEAKER_01]: But Richardson's going to be playing against a lot of second team players from Baltimore as well.
- 16:33[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to start a lot of that.
- 16:34[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not another player.
- 16:36[SPEAKER_01]: Not an organization like that.
- 16:37[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the fifteen yard in, you know, and not sale it and it's a pit and it's an easy pick for the safety.
- 16:43[SPEAKER_02]: Can he hit Pitman on that on that twelve and sit and can he hit one or not to seem like those are the kind of finesse throws that
- 16:52[SPEAKER_02]: other quarterbacks, especially in the division can make and make on a regular basis.
- 16:56[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like that's where he has to be.
- 16:58[SPEAKER_02]: He can't be, you know, just air mail on it out there and you hope the footwork cleans it up a little bit.
- 17:06[SPEAKER_01]: I hope this football works a lot better with the offseason coaching and training.
- 17:12[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the key to his game.
- 17:16[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we know he can run, we know he can throw far, we know he's a freak athlete, but it's the fundamental that he's just got to be able to.
- 17:26[SPEAKER_03]: But we knew that coming out of college.
- 17:28[SPEAKER_03]: They told us to be patient and then they weren't.
- 17:30[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand quite why we're here with you.
- 17:33[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it's because you came out and he he looked like the rookie of the years first three is first five weeks.
- 17:39[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he looked like he was going to be the best rookie quarterback in the league bar none.
- 17:43[SPEAKER_02]: He was outplaying strad with out question.
- 17:48[SPEAKER_02]: I just think that they got impatient because it's like we were looking at this as a rebuild year and then all of a sudden it's like boy Anthony Richardson looks really good all maybe the playoffs aren't completely out of question and
- 18:00[SPEAKER_02]: It just comes under that now what I will say is Jonathan Taylor should not even think about touching the field the week one.
- 18:05[SPEAKER_02]: He has no business, no business playing any preseason SNAP.
- 18:09[SPEAKER_03]: Plus we've got to figure out who his backups are because I think you got three pretty good ones.
- 18:14[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, backup running backs are
- 18:17[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like your second girlfriend.
- 18:19[SPEAKER_02]: It's true.
- 18:20[SPEAKER_02]: It only matters.
- 18:21[SPEAKER_03]: Let me back.
- 18:22[SPEAKER_03]: It hurt a lot, man.
- 18:23[SPEAKER_03]: You need somebody who's rely on the first girlfriend goes down.
- 18:27[SPEAKER_02]: You got the second on speed dial.
- 18:28[SPEAKER_02]: That's, I mean, that's kind of what I don't, this isn't speed dating.
- 18:33[SPEAKER_02]: Jonathan Taylor is the love of our life until we're proven otherwise.
- 18:38[SPEAKER_02]: He's just incredible to watch though like when he's going he's he's lightning in a bottle in the best way possible so patient He's just he's everything.
- 18:50[SPEAKER_02]: Marlin Mac was and just double the skill.
- 18:53[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to make more.
- 18:54[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah way more skill Yeah, he should be a cult for life.
- 18:59[SPEAKER_03]: It would be horrible to waste his years on really bad.
- 19:03[SPEAKER_03]: It would be but we could be headed to not really bad Jesus, but
- 19:07[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, memorable.
- 19:08[SPEAKER_01]: We aren't going to be bad enough to get a number one pick in the next draft.
- 19:13[SPEAKER_03]: I'd rather that.
- 19:14[SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather that too.
- 19:17[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're going to be bad enough either.
- 19:19[SPEAKER_02]: There are five teams right now that are awful who will be fighting for that and the culture not one of those.
- 19:28[SPEAKER_03]: If you're interested, by the way, five, zero, two, five, three, three, one, six, one, send me a text and we will set something up.
- 19:36[SPEAKER_03]: Will just made a really good point.
- 19:38[SPEAKER_03]: You would not be doing it alone.
- 19:39[SPEAKER_03]: You'll be doing it with will most of the time or others.
- 19:42[SPEAKER_03]: We all talk cults.
- 19:44[SPEAKER_03]: When we did our paces report, how many times will you alone?
- 19:47[SPEAKER_03]: Three or four?
- 19:48[SPEAKER_02]: It's maybe as a group.
- 19:51[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, it's just people don't talk about it.
- 19:53[SPEAKER_02]: It's important.
- 19:53[SPEAKER_02]: It's fun to watch people fall at more.
- 19:56[SPEAKER_02]: you're just if you're the cult's guy you're just a small piece of a large puzzle that is all working together to try to give the best coverage clearly we're a bunch of idiots and we do all right so if you're at least as smart as we are which didn't matter we want you to come and join