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Episode Two Hundred Ninety: The UFO Files · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcomed episode two hundred and ninety of the Death of
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  Speaker 1: Journalism podcast. My name is John Zigler. I'm your host
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  Speaker 1: on today's show. President Trump promises victory in the war
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  Speaker 1: with Iran, but so far fails to deliver. We have
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  Speaker 1: an update on our AI fear Factor rating. Here come
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  Speaker 1: the UFO files. Will they be just like the Epstein files?
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  Speaker 1: Several updates on high profile cases of alleged sexual abuse
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  Speaker 1: and misconduct. The WNBA embarrasses itself yet again, and is
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  Speaker 1: the Live Golf Tour finally dead? We begin, as we
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  Speaker 1: have for the last two months, with the latest with
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  Speaker 1: regard to the war in Iran, where for a few
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  Speaker 1: days it appeared as if during this ceasefire period, President
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  Speaker 1: Trump was effectively declaring victory after blockading the Strait of
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  Speaker 1: our moves. He made it sound as if Iran had
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  Speaker 1: agreed to everything that the United States wanted and this
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  Speaker 1: was going to be a clear and complete victory. Well
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  Speaker 1: surprised surprise, that has not turned out to be the case.
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  Speaker 1: As of this taping, Donald Trump did not follow through
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  Speaker 1: on his threats to re engage and effectively once again
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  Speaker 1: destroy Iran if they did not agree before the end
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  Speaker 1: of the ceasefire. He extended the ceasefire, this time with
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  Speaker 1: no deadline. So we've gone from a ceasefire with a
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  Speaker 1: clear deadline to now an alleged ceasefire with no deadline,
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  Speaker 1: where Iran is doing all sorts of bad things when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to ships that are trying to get through
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  Speaker 1: the strait of our moves, taking over a couple, apparently
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  Speaker 1: firing on a couple, clearly not in line with anything
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  Speaker 1: close to what you would think of as a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 1: And frankly, it seems to me as if we've gone
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  Speaker 1: from a situation where Trump was prematurely declaring victory to
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  Speaker 1: now where we're almost right back to where we were.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is it possible that the blockad is working
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  Speaker 1: in the long run. I still am hopeful for that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not going to be a quick and clear victory.
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  Speaker 1: And anybody who was using their brain would have understood this.
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  Speaker 1: Iran wasn't just going to suddenly capitulate after all this,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it's clear that they love the chaos, they
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  Speaker 1: love the damage. They're not rational actors. I keep repeating
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  Speaker 1: myself on this, but it's the number one thing you
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  Speaker 1: need to understand about this conflict. Iran is not a
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  Speaker 1: rational actor, and Trump seems to have been slow to
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  Speaker 1: fully understand that. And I don't know where we go
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  Speaker 1: for from here. I really don't, I mean, and I'm stunned.
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  Speaker 1: Even Trump was stunned by how, for instance, the stock
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  Speaker 1: market seemingly has shaken off all of this. Trump did
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  Speaker 1: an interview on CNBC on Monday where he expressed surprise
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  Speaker 1: that the stock market hasn't dropped twenty percent because of
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  Speaker 1: the war in Iran, and instead it's at or near
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  Speaker 1: all time highs. In fact, even this morning, as of
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  Speaker 1: this taping, despite more bad news. When it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the situation where the strait of our moves, the stock
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  Speaker 1: market is doing very very well, and I don't understand it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm as baffled by this as I can possibly be,
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  Speaker 1: on multiple levels, some of which have to do with
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  Speaker 1: where AI is headed, some of which have to do
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  Speaker 1: with the war in Iran. It's clear that the economy
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  Speaker 1: itself is seemingly much stronger and more resilient than many
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  Speaker 1: people would have expected, including myself. But there's all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of problems here. But the straight of our moves is
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  Speaker 1: right at the top of the list, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand how this thing ends at this point, where you
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  Speaker 1: now have a ceasefire that Iran doesn't even seem to
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  Speaker 1: be abiding by, with no set deadline, and Trump already
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  Speaker 1: having effectively declared victory. You only get to do that
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  Speaker 1: maybe once or twice before people start to believe that
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  Speaker 1: you're crying wolf and that effectively you're negotiating with yourself,
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  Speaker 1: which sometimes it seems like with regard to Trump in
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  Speaker 1: this whole situation. So I know this sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: broken record. I am increasingly pessimistic, but trying to remain optimistic,
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  Speaker 1: still hopeful that there's a way out of this that's
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  Speaker 1: not a complete disaster. But I'm losing faith in the
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  Speaker 1: President's pronouncements because it can't be underestimated that Trump effectively
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  Speaker 1: declared victory. I mean, not officially, but essentially that's what
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  Speaker 1: he did, and it doesn't appear as if that's the
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  Speaker 1: case at all. And so, you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that anybody really knows how this is going to end,
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  Speaker 1: and it may not end for much longer than it should,
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  Speaker 1: and certainly longer than Trump had thought when he first
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  Speaker 1: decided to go into this situation. But so far while
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  Speaker 1: we're paying a massive tax at the gas pump, and
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  Speaker 1: that has inflationary elements to it. Obviously elsewhere in the economy,
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  Speaker 1: especially as time goes on, We're not paying a huge
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  Speaker 1: economic price for this, but that still could be the
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  Speaker 1: case if this thing doesn't wrap up in a positive
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  Speaker 1: direction sometime soon. Now Trump is paying a political price,
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  Speaker 1: at least seemingly within his MAGA base. There's been all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of revolts among major MAGA commentators because they disagree
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  Speaker 1: with him with the war in Iran. Most prominent among
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  Speaker 1: those is Tucker Carlson. And I don't want to labor this,
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  Speaker 1: even though I probably have the right to take a
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  Speaker 1: victory lap or two on this one. But Tucker Carlson,
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  Speaker 1: who I was way way way ahead of the game
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  Speaker 1: on when it came to pinpointing that he was playing
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  Speaker 1: an integral role in paving the way for Trump to
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  Speaker 1: win the twenty twenty four Republican presidential nomination. I eviscerated
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  Speaker 1: him on News Nation Television, on Dan abrams old TV show.
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  Speaker 1: I went after him on this podcast and on other
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  Speaker 1: platforms because I saw exactly where this was heading at
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  Speaker 1: a very critical juncture when the Republican base was trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out what do we do about Trump? In
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Tucker Carlson, who was a huge star
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  Speaker 1: at that time, effectively vouched for him, effectively paved the
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  Speaker 1: way when he should have been a the Santas supporter. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: he was clearly a Trump supporter. And this was even
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  Speaker 1: before he left Fox News Channel. And I called Tucker
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  Speaker 1: Carlson the MVP of the Trump campaign for the primary
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  Speaker 1: nomination in twenty twenty four, and I believe I was
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  Speaker 1: completely vindicated in that. Well. Tucker Carlson, partially because of
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  Speaker 1: the war in Iran, this week said that he quote
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  Speaker 1: was tormented, tormented by his role that he played in
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  Speaker 1: getting Trump elected and regrets playing that role to help
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  Speaker 1: Trump get elected. So here we have Tucker Carlson, a
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  Speaker 1: guy who I have told you many many times years ago,
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  Speaker 1: was no longer the same guy that I once respected.
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  Speaker 1: I still don't know exactly what happened to Tucker Carlson,
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  Speaker 1: but I called it before anybody else did. Effectively, he's
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  Speaker 1: losing his mind, and it's gotten out to the point
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  Speaker 1: where he's had to essentially apologize for having supported Trump
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  Speaker 1: at a critical juncture. And helping him get elected in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. But he's not the only MAGA commentator
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  Speaker 1: that's having a big problem with Trump on multiple fronts.
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  Speaker 1: And it's hard to say just how much of a
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  Speaker 1: political problem this is, but going into a midterm election,
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  Speaker 1: it's not good. I mean, there's all sorts of wins
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  Speaker 1: that Republicans are already facing in the twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 1: midterm elections. Another one just happened where Virginia barely passed
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  Speaker 1: their ridiculous redistricting plan very much like what California did,
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  Speaker 1: and if it holds up in court, there is no
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  Speaker 1: chance now, no chance the Republicans hold the House of Representatives,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll be very lucky to hold on to the
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  Speaker 1: US Senate, and it could be a complete blood bath,
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  Speaker 1: especially if there are large segments of MAGA voters that
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  Speaker 1: don't turn out with Trump not on the ballot and
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  Speaker 1: then turned off towards Trump. Now, Tucker Carlson no longer
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  Speaker 1: represents a huge portion of the Republican or even MAGA base,
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  Speaker 1: but he's not completely irrelevant, and he's not alone. That's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. He's not alone in this. There's all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of issues, but very bizarre issues. I don't think they're legitimate. Frankly,
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  Speaker 1: that's what's so funny about this is that MAGA is
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  Speaker 1: revolting other than the Warner Ron, which I understand the
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  Speaker 1: philosophical difference on, but when you've got MAGA supporters dropping
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  Speaker 1: him over Epstein or over whether or not they think
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  Speaker 1: the Butler assassination attempt was faked, which is just absolutely crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get to some of these conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 1: a little bit later on in this episode, but there's
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  Speaker 1: no question that some of the Magabase is revolting. To
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  Speaker 1: what degree, I don't think anyone knows, but it can't
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  Speaker 1: be good for the twenty twenty six midterms for the
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  Speaker 1: Republican Party, which already looked terrible as of this taping. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I want to take a little bit of time to
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  Speaker 1: address what's been going on with artificial intelligence, which is
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  Speaker 1: an ongoing topic on this podcast. We have two fear
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  Speaker 1: factor ratings on the Death of Journalism podcast. One is
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  Speaker 1: for Gavin Newsom becoming President of United States. The other
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  Speaker 1: is where we stand on AI and at last check,
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  Speaker 1: the fear factor from a one to ten, meaning the
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  Speaker 1: apocalypse is upon us. The rating for AI was seven
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  Speaker 1: point five. I'm gonna raise that to eight point zero,
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  Speaker 1: but for reasons it seem a little bit contradictory, and
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  Speaker 1: my general take on AI has been and I realized
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  Speaker 1: this is overly simplistic, but I think it still has merit.
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  Speaker 1: My general take on this has been that there's basically
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  Speaker 1: two scenarios. We either hit AGI or we don't hit
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  Speaker 1: agi AGI, meaning that artificial intelligence surpasses human intelligence and
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  Speaker 1: basically the entire world changes because of AI, or it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't and weren't a massive bubble economically, especially on the
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  Speaker 1: stock market. Now. Neither scenario is good, and I've always
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  Speaker 1: accepted that there's a darn good chance we're going to
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  Speaker 1: reach AGI, and that's the scenario that I fear the
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  Speaker 1: most because I just don't think we're ready for it.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think we're at all prepared. And the
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  Speaker 1: evidence that we're not prepared for this is overwhelming in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, and it became even more overwhelming in the
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  Speaker 1: last week or so because of something that Elon Musk
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  Speaker 1: has been in favor of but is now becoming even
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  Speaker 1: more overt about how strongly he believes in a post
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  Speaker 1: AI world that is dictated by what he calls universal
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  Speaker 1: high income. Now I've discussed this before. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to go into super detail on this again, but I
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  Speaker 1: do think it was a pivotal moment in this whole
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  Speaker 1: situation when Musk came out once again both online on
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  Speaker 1: X which he owns, and in public statements, making the
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  Speaker 1: case that this is inevitable, that we're about to head
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  Speaker 1: into effectively a utopia economically, and that in order to
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  Speaker 1: be able to sustain a society where very few people
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  Speaker 1: are needed to be workers, where we're going to wipe out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all sorts of jobs because of AI, we
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  Speaker 1: have to create this government federally funded universal high income.
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  Speaker 1: And just in case you haven't heard Musk talk about this,
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  Speaker 1: here's a short clip of him discussing the entire concept
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  Speaker 1: and how he thinks it's necessary and inevitable.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think we should be sort of complacent.
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  Speaker 2: We need to do You need to be careful because
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  Speaker 2: the future has a range of possible outcomes and they're
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  Speaker 2: not all great. But at this point I do agree
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  Speaker 2: with you that it's it's likely to be great. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's probably eighty percent likely, maybe more likely to be great,
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  Speaker 2: and and I do think we'll have universal Hancome. We'll
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  Speaker 2: basically just issue money to people you know, and the
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  Speaker 2: really just because the output of goods and services will
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  Speaker 2: so far exceed the money supply that you know that
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  Speaker 2: that effectively you have deflation, because just deflation is just
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  Speaker 2: the ratio of the outputs and goods and services to
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  Speaker 2: the money supply, so that that's so if the rate
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  Speaker 2: of growth of goods and services par exceeds the rate
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  Speaker 2: of growth of the money supply, which I predict will happen,
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  Speaker 2: then you will have deflation.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to be clear, this is not the first time
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  Speaker 1: Musk has made this argument, but this time got a
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  Speaker 1: lot more attention. He went on X and he declared
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  Speaker 1: that this is where we're going. At last check, that
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  Speaker 1: posed head over sixty five million impressions. And for me,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I can't not respond to this.
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  Speaker 1: Not that I matter, but I have never to my recollection,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure about this. I've never created a video
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  Speaker 1: to respond to one particular post on X. I spent
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time on X, probably more than I should,
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  Speaker 1: but I've never created a video just to respond to
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  Speaker 1: one post. And I did in this particular case with
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  Speaker 1: Elon Musk, and I did so partially because of who
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  Speaker 1: Elon Musk is. I mean, obviously, he's the world's richest man.
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  Speaker 1: He's associated with Donald Trump's election in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: He's extremely popular among the Magabas, he has his own
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  Speaker 1: cult following. He's in a very influential figure. He's got
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  Speaker 1: the most Twitter followers x followers of anybody. His Twitter
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  Speaker 1: ex account is by far the most powerful in the world.
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  Speaker 1: He is an extremely influential person, especially among people who should,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, be extremely skeptical of this whole idea
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  Speaker 1: of universal high income. And so I created a fifteen
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  Speaker 1: minute video and one take. I wasn't even that happy
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  Speaker 1: with it, but I was busy that day, and so
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  Speaker 1: I posted it and it got a bit of traction.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, at one point, Elon Musk even responded, I
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  Speaker 1: guess indirectly to it. He technically responded to someone who
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  Speaker 1: was attacking me in typical Elon Musk fashion, he just responded,
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  Speaker 1: yay exclamation point. I don't even know what that means.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea how Elon Musk has enough time
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  Speaker 1: to be doing anything, but how the hell he has
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  Speaker 1: time to be responding to people like me on X
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  Speaker 1: is beyond my comprehension. In fact, I would expand that
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  Speaker 1: to all of these ai CEOs, it seems like all
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  Speaker 1: they do is podcast interviews. How are they not unbelievably busy?
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  Speaker 1: But that's another story for another day. But Musk comes
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  Speaker 1: out once again in a very high profile way, in
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  Speaker 1: favor of universal high income I put out a video
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  Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes. You can find it for yourself pretty
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  Speaker 1: easily on X if you're interested explaining why this is
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  Speaker 1: a horrifically bad idea, and it's such a horrifically bad
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  Speaker 1: idea that even in fifteen minutes I did not cover everything.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't possibly have covered everything. I mean to me,
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  Speaker 1: it is just so obviously horrendous in every possible way.
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  Speaker 1: And the reaction to Musk's post and his statements about this,
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  Speaker 1: which are in no way, shape or form universally positive.
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  Speaker 1: Let me be clear, there are a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: in my camp. Even on X. However, there's also a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people who think that Musk has got the
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  Speaker 1: greatest idea ever, that this is wonderful, and they're not
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  Speaker 1: the type of people that should be in this camp.
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  Speaker 1: They're the type of people that are not inherently liberals
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  Speaker 1: or socialists or communists. And I guess the part about
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing from Musque's perspective that confuses me the
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  Speaker 1: most is how, in my very strong opinion, the whole
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  Speaker 1: idea of a universal high wage threatens so many of
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  Speaker 1: the things that Musk feels so strongly about. He is
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  Speaker 1: claimed to have been, and you know, a critic of
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  Speaker 1: socialism and communism and its impact across the world, although
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  Speaker 1: at times I believe back in twenty eighteen, he did
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  Speaker 1: make a post that he kind of thinks of himself
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  Speaker 1: as a socialist but okay, whatever, But I mean, at
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  Speaker 1: least his current persona, he likes to pretend that he's
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  Speaker 1: an anti socialist, anti communist. Obviously, he's perceived as being
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  Speaker 1: more conservative than liberal because of his support for Trump.
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  Speaker 1: He's an extreme free speech advocate, and that was one
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  Speaker 1: of my main points in my video was there can't
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  Speaker 1: be anything worse. There cannot be anything worse for a
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  Speaker 1: free speech than the idea that we're the federal government
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  Speaker 1: is going to give everybody a universal high wage. And
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  Speaker 1: by the way, in my video, I basically seeded. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this idea that somehow we're not going to have massive inflation,
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the things that Musk is convinced of.
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  Speaker 1: He even says will have deflation, which I don't buy
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  Speaker 1: for a second. It makes absolutely no sense. It sounds
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  Speaker 1: utopian to me. It makes no sense economically, and I
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  Speaker 1: guess from a big picture perspective, I have no reason
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  Speaker 1: to trust him or anybody else in this realm. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what part of our society has ever turned out exactly
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  Speaker 1: as perfectly has been promised? I mean, it's never the
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  Speaker 1: case ever. I mean, there's not one part of our
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  Speaker 1: society that's turned out better than we hope for. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: in most cases, we've destroyed everything that was good about
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  Speaker 1: our society. Not perfect, wasn't perfect, But we've always let
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  Speaker 1: the pursuit of perfection or utopia get in the way
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  Speaker 1: of the very very good in so many walks of life.
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  Speaker 1: We see it in sports all the time. I discussed
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast constantly. I mean, it's one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons I don't believe in heaven not to get too
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  Speaker 1: far afield here, because you know, Heaven is obviously perfect
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  Speaker 1: utopia whatever, what exactly gives you the idea, based upon
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  Speaker 1: the way things here are on earth, that all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, when we die, everything's gonna be perfect and wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: There's no there's no indication of that. There's no there's
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  Speaker 1: no reason to if you think of God as like
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  Speaker 1: the government, what exactly has God done here on earth
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  Speaker 1: that gives you faith and trust and believe that after
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  Speaker 1: we're dead it's all gonna be perfect because it hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been run particularly well here on earth. Now that's another
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  Speaker 1: story for another day. And that's not a perfect analogy.
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  Speaker 1: I get that and God, as you know, if God exists,
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  Speaker 1: all powerful, anything is possible. Look, I would be thrilled
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  Speaker 1: if there was a heaven anything close to the way
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  Speaker 1: most people publicly perceive it. But I have my doubts.
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  Speaker 1: And it's similar to this promise of a utopia in
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  Speaker 1: a post AI world. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: When you're being vague, I get very nervous about it.
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  Speaker 1: And also in Elon Musk's case, this is a guy
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  Speaker 1: who's been wrong about a lot of things. He makes
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  Speaker 1: a lot of very bad predictions, and going back to
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  Speaker 1: the part of the free speech thing here, he is
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  Speaker 1: maybe the world's most prominent free speech advocate, is why
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  Speaker 1: he bought Twitter turned into the X. I give a
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  Speaker 1: lot of credit for that, But how can Elon Musk
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  Speaker 1: not understand that even if everything goes perfectly, even if
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  Speaker 1: we don't have massive inflation, which we would under this scenario,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even if we don't have massive civil unrest,
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  Speaker 1: which I think we would under this scenario for all
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: sorts of reasons. At the very least, the government will
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: now control your life. They're not going to give you
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: a high wage, even if somehow they can magically afford
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: it in this utopian world, even though they're already broke
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the federal government. They're not going to give you a
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: universal high wage and not decide that they can control
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: your life, especially as we get more and more liberal,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: especially when Gavinousa might be president during this time period.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: They'll control every aspect of your life if they control
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: your wage and there's no other options. See. I think
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: one of the many, many, many problems with this whole
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: concept is people are thinking of it, well, it's like
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a subsidy, right, It's just a supplemental income, and there
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: been test cases. This drives me crazy. I've seen people,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: you know, academics talk about how a universal wage actually works.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: We've seen it work, like, for instance, on an Indian
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: reservation where you know, because of gambling money, they gave
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: everyone a universal wage and it increased the quality of life.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: That's not what we're talking about here, because those people
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: still have the option to work. That's a supplement. If
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: you take away effectively the option to work, and you
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: make it accepted and expected that you're going to have
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: this wage that you will get no matter what. By
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the way, does this mean children too? Which is I mean,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that's there's so many parts of this that are so
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: crazy that go against what Elon Musk pretends to believe it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: He's very concerned about the lack of population growth across
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the world. Will you want to end population growth unless
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you pay people to have children, which have to be
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: even more of an economic burden on the government. If
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you don't and everyone's living on our universal wage that
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they get as an adult, they're not going to have
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: kids because the kids will eat into their standard of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: living with no chance of augmenting that. Because we're living
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: in a world where jobs effectively don't exist, so almost
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: every issue that Musk is strongly concerned about this thing
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: works against. But free speech is the most obvious because
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: if they control your wage, especially in a world where
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: there's a digital currency. See, you have to understand all this,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and it's full context. If there's a digital currency, which
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: is where we're heading, which I hate. We've gone off
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the gold standard. We're not even on the paper standard anymore.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: We're heading towards digital currency. That means everything you allegedly
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: own is just a number on a screen, and that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: number on a screen can be easily changed by the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: financial institution that's going to be under the thumb of
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the federal government. Because the federal government of this scenario
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: controls everything, so they can decide that they're gonna define you.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: If they don't like what you said, they're gonna or take,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know, prevent you from getting your your universal high wage.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: There's all sorts of things the government's gonna be able
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to do to punish you for behavior they don't like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: including free speech. And by the way, they're also gonna
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: dictate what you're allowed to buy. I mean, my god,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: if you I mean, if Gavenusta was in charge one
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: thousand percent and this plan was implemented. God help us all,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: because we already see it in California, they have no
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: problem restricting what you're allowed to effectively buy. Supposedly, we're
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: not even gonna be allowed to buy gasoline powered cars.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Now there's debate over and that that's still gonna be
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the case, whether they're gonna be able to pull that off.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: But that's supposed to happen in less than ten years
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: from now. I mean, so, how in the world Elon
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Musk could be in favor of in such a dramatic
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: way this proposal, which I believe harms almost every single
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: thing he claims to be passionate about. By the way,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: there's another element of this. He's obviously very much against
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: illegal immigration. How do you deal with this situation where
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: you have millions and millions and millions, tens of millions
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of people in the country illegally. Now, I'll give him
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit of credit. I've not heard him talk
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: about this. Maybe this is in his mind a way
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: of dealing with illegal immigration, because if you do it
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: right in theory, then illegal immigrants will probably self deport
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: if they can't get the universal high wage. And now
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: they're at a completely total disadvantage economically, but we don't
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: live in that world. Especially if Democrats are in charge,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: it's going to be the opposite. Have a universal high wage.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Guess what. And we've seen it here in California. Illegal
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: immigrants are going to get it too, maybe with less restrictions.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I mean so, at every single turn, I think this
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: is so catastrophic. This is such a horrendous idea, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: how in the world is it? If it was, ironically enough,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: if it was Bernie Sanders, I'd be like, Okay, well
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that's Bernie Sanders. He's a socialist. Weirdly, I got to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: give Bernie Sanders some credit because Bernie Sanders, even though
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: this is his wet dream, he's very much against AI
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and is fighting harder than anybody else I know of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: in the US Senate in favor of restricting where we're
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: heading with this, because he sees the dangers from a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: societal perspective. And so I loathe Bernie Sanders' policies and
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: his philosophy, but I got to at least give him
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: so far. Maybe he's got alternat ulterior motives that I'm
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: unaware of, but at least so far, I have to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: give him some credit, but I can't say that about Musk,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and Musk what he represents is so significant. I guess
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm so agitated about this. It's not just
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the whims of some super rich guy. This guy represents
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a huge portion of what is left of the non
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: liberal base in this country. And if if even the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: non liberal base is thinking, oh, this is awesome, this
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: is gonna be great. We're gonna live a utopia. Everyone's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: gonna get a universal high wage from the federal government,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and you know there, well, it's gonna be so much
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: abundance in a post AI world that everything's gonna be awesome.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Well guess what that means that if we do reach AGI,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: then this is inevitable politically. And one of the other
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: elements that I mentioned in my video was how does
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Musk not understand that even if somehow you implement this idea,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: which I don't think is possible, there's so many logistical
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: issues where the hell you're getting the money? You know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: why would these companies pass on the savings to all
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: of their customers, Because that's basically the premise here, is
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that everything will be so cheap that we're not gonna
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: have massive inflation, which doesn't even make any sense to me.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: But you're relying on a very few companies that are
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: gonna have a monopoly over our lives, and they're just
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: gonna and even though there's gonna be all this money,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: everyone getting this universal high wage, that they're not gonna
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: increase prices or keep them the same. That's ridiculous. It
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: just goes against all of this goes against human nature.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And I think one of the fundamental problems with Elon
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Musks he doesn't understand human nature because he's not a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: normal human being. I also don't think he understands free
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: time because he's incredibly busy, although somehow he has time
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to be on Twitter or x all the time, but
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: in general, I think he's extremely busy, and so when
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: he gets a little bit of free time, he thinks, Wow,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: this is awesome. I wish I had more of this,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and I would really use it in a beneficial fashion.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I think he thinks that's what most human beings would do.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: They would use their free time in a way that
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: was productive and you know, wonderful and fun and create
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: art and spend time with their families. That's not the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: normal human being the normal human being. You give them
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: alleged money that might still have some value, and all
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the free time in the world, and look the fuck out,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: all sorts of bad things are gonna happen. I mean,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and I listed them in my video. I mean, prostitution, gambling, addiction,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: drug use, suicide rate will go off the charts. People
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: will drop out of school because there's no need to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: go to school if you're not going to get a job.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it will be dystopian on steroids. And Musk
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't either seem to understand this or doesn't seem to care.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And so there was the reaction to Musk's latest foray
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: into this realm and this proposal that really had me
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: now one hundred percent convinced, a hundred percent convinced that
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: if we reach AGI, it's over. It's over. Now does
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that mean that we would one hundred percent have a
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: universal high wage? I don't know, Maybe, maybe not. I mean,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: because but it seems it's so popular among people for
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: whom it should not be popular. I mean, there's so
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: many people that have bought into this utopian notion, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and there's so many people that feel like, oh, you know,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I've been screwed by the man and by the government
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: for so long. I deserve this universal high income, and
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: so it's so popular among people that it should not
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: be popular with people should understand this better. So we
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: haven't even gotten into the Ernie Sanders crowd and the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: crowd that just wants something for free, which seems to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: be the American dream. Now, so if we reach agi
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and really have a situation where all these jobs disappear
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and we're at fifty percent unemployment or whatever the hell,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: there's all sorts of different projections up to ninety percent,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: which I don't buy. I just don't buy. I don't
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: understand how AI can eliminate all those jobs. I get
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that massive amounts of jobs could be eliminated. I just
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: don't get how you have a situation where it's that high.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: But okay, I have to deal with their premise because
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: this is their proposal. And if this is a scenario
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that's possible going forward, then how do we deal with it? Now?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I get asked, and I did get asked a lot
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: on social media. Okay, genius, you don't like Musk's idea,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and I've only tipped you know, you scratched the surface
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg on why I think it's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a horrific idea. Again, I go into more detail in
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that video. You can find on x what's your alternative solution?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: And I have openly acknowledged there is no perfect solution
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: if this, If we're really going to do this, if
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: we're going to completely destroy the foundations of our society
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: without even a real vote, or because a very small
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: group of very rich and very weird people decided that
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: we have to win this race against China, If we're
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: really going to do this, if we're going to scrap
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, then you know there has to be
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: another potential, not necessarily solution, but at least a time
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: saving mechanism, something that can buy us some time. That's
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: one of the things that I truly believe in. If
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you're in a crisis situation and you don't have an
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: obvious and immediate solution, then buying time is inherently good.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I've talked about this in so many different stories, where
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: if you just buy time, sometimes a solution can emerge,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: or maybe some of the damage can be mitigated. And
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I've proposed this before and people don't seem to like it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: But I actually the more I think about my solution
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: quote unquote, again acknowledging that there is nothing close to
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a perfect solution here, the more I think about it,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the more I like this idea. I talk all the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: time about how totally broken we are as a society,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and there's no area where we are more broken, in
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: my opinion, than when it comes to civil lawsuits. I
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: think the civil lawsuit system in this country is completely
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: and totally busted, to a degree that the average person
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and certainly those in the media, don't fully understand the
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: impact of I think it's one of the biggest creators
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: of inflationary pressure because we've got juries that are completely
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: out of control and they're putting forward judgments that are insane,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and insurance companies are having to charge everyone a heck
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: of a lot more money than they should, and this
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: ends up getting passed down to the consumer. It also
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: creates bizarre and perverse incentives for people to do very
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: strange things, because the American dream is to get a
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: good lawsuit against the deep pocketed corporation. I'll have an
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: amazing story about that a little bit later on in
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the podcast. And so the reality is that this is
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: an area of our society that's totally broken and completely dysfunctional.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And my solution is, let's turn that weakness into a positive.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Let's turn a liability into a superpower. And what I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: mean by that is, let's pass a law, hopefully well constructed,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: with lots of restrictions and even a time period attached
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to it, so this doesn't go on forever. This sunsets
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe in ten years or whatever, because
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to buy time. You pass a law
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: where corporations are allowed to be sued if your job
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: by a plaintiff, if your job is lost, either directly
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: or indirectly due to AI. Now, the devil would obviously
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: be in the details. And I hate this. As a libertarian,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I hate this, but I see no other solution here
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: if we're really heading down this path where what we
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: would have is effectively a situation where corporations would self
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: limit layoffs. See when I put this out on social media,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so you want to have a million lawsuits. No,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: we don't need the million lawsuits because corporations are so
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: terrified of lawsuits of this day and age that they
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: will self govern to avoid the lawsuits. We see this
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in DEI all the time. You don't even have to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: have a lawsuit because the corporation will cave because they're
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: so terrified and getting in front of a crazy jury
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that's going to end up giving somebody a boatload of money,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: so they will avoid at all costs the litigation. Now,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: is this perfect, not even close to perfect. But if
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you did this right, and you know, you'd have to
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: also create the circumstances, Okay, what about new companies, right,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: how do you deal with that? Well, there would have
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: to be some sort of way if you were a
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: company that dealt in any way, shape or form with AI,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that your tax basis would be would be dictated in
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: part by the number of employees that you have. Again,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I hate that, hate, hate, hate it as a libertarian,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: but I see no other way of buying us time here,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: because if this was done right, it would absolutely bia
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: us time because corporations would be terrified of dropping employees
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: if they had absolutely anything to do with the area
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: of AI, which would be fairly easy to prove. I mean,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: these companies are being somewhat I think they're being a
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: little deceitful, but they're being somewhat transparent, is kind of ironic,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: remarkable and maybe telling that most of the layoffs we're
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: seeing so far or from technology companies. Meta is about
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: to lay off ten percent of its workforce, which is
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: weird because you would think that, you know, these are
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the companies that are delving into AI, that if AI
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: was such a boon, that these would be the last
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: companies that would be laying people off. But instead they
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: seem to be the first people, first elements, the first
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: corporations that are laying massive numbers of people off. And
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: so again, not even close to a perfect solution, but
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: at least it would buy us some time and allow
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a potential transition into this new economy. And I also think,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: by the way, that even under the worst case scenarios,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and maybe I'm being overly optimistic, I always get nervous
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: when I'm overly optimistic, because that's usually when I'm wrong.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: But the more I look into this, I don't think
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: we're anywhere close to a total AI takeover. I mean,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk has talked about AGI by the end of
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: this year early next year. I just don't see it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people that are a lot
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: smarter than me and know a lot more about this
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: than I do that are saying the same thing. So
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: we have a little bit of time I think before this,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: even if it occurs, would have a massive, catastrophic, fundamentally
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: cultural changing impact. But we don't have forever, because if
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: it's happen, it's gonna happen in the next few years,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: and then once it does, all bets are off. We're
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: off to the races. But I have to say part
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of the reason why the fear factor is at an
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: eight and not in a ten. Even though I'm positive
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I am now one hundred I've said it before, I'll
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: say it again. I am now one hundred percent positive
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: that if we hit Agi, we are done as a
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: society for a whole host of reasons that I've articulated
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: before and done so today, and I'm sure I will
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: do so again in the future. Because it's so obvious
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to me that one it bears repeating in two it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: almost impossible to encapsulate in one commentary without going on
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: for three hours. But I've come to that conclusion. We
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: hit Agi, we are done. It will be dystopian. And
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not even that concerned about the AI,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: like killing us all. I know that's been a scenario
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people been understandably worried about. I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: think it's possible, but it's not the one that I'm
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: most concerned about. Even though we've got Anthropic with this
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: mythos that just apparently got released by accident to I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: guess some hackers or something, but this is a threat
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: to cybersecurity all over the world and thropics that they
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: weren't going to release it to the general public, and
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: somehow it did apparently get leaked out, according to a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Bloomberg report. I mean, those kind of things concern me,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: but I'm more concerned with how humans, especially in the
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: United States, will destroy ourselves and destroy our society because
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: of the impact of AI, specifically when it comes to jobs.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It's the job thing that to me is the domino
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: effect that leads to a dystopian universe. I'm less concerned
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: about AI turning on us and killing us all, which
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: we might deserve at some point, but that's a low
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: level all the other things I'm worried about. I'm much
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: more concerned by us destroying ourselves in a reaction to AI,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: specifically because the loss of jobs has fundamentally altered the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: nature of our society. That I am of AI actually
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: taking us all over and killing us. I'm also this
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: is where I'm somewhat optimistic. I am not convinced we're
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: going to reach AGI, and maybe I'm naive, and I
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: fully acknowledge I do not have any expertise in this
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: area other than I think I understand humanity pretty well,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: and I understand narratives, and I understand incentive structures. And
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: there's a very very strong argument to be made that
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: all of those elements I just mentioned have unique elements
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: to them, have unique characteristics that are consistent with everybody
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in this world buying into a narrative that's simply not
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: true that, to me, is the only hope we have
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: for humanity. Is it possible that all these super smart, rich,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: mostly autistic people who are living in a bubble and
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: who are deeply, deeply, deeply financially invested in the idea
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: that technology is going to create this utopian universe like
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: an Elon Musk, Is it possible that all of them
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: have fooled themselves. I think that is possible, and certainly
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in the technology itself I've discussed this in the past.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe we're just in the infancy, and this is why
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I have this perception. But there's a lot of evidence
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that AI is simply just not close to AGI yet
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: it has a lot a lot of problems to it. Now,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: again we're in the infancy. One of the reasons why
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I remain somewhat optimistic that we won't reach agis because
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I'm also a big believer, and we see this all
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: the time. We saw it during COVID, We've seen it
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: during the global warming craze. This idea of extrapolating the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: rate of growth to an area where to an end
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: that will never end. In other words, constant exponential growth
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: has always been at the heart of miscalculation, whether it's
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: COVID or global warming or in other areas, and liberals
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: seem to be more prone to this, at least in
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: my perception than conservatives. Liberals seem to think that if
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you're on a trend and that trend is never going
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: to end, that there's nothing cyclical. You never go in
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the other direction. But that's not the way the real
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: world works. Just because the technology at the beginning is
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: flying and improving on a weekly basis doesn't mean that
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: that's going to never cease, that you're not going to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: hit a wall. To me, it's certainly possible that AI
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: is going to hit a wall, and of course that
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: then creates a whole series of other problems, because if
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: it hits a wall, we've just created a massive economy
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: and stock market value that's not based upon reality, because
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: it's never going to reach the potential, and almost all
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: of this is based upon the potential, and the worst
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: part of the potential is the idea that all these
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: corporations can eliminate massive numbers of employees. That's where the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: money is. It's not in the great value so much
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that AI is going to create. It's in the getting
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: rid of employees that will save money. But also, if
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: it happens in that way, destroy fundamentally one of the
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: most important elements of our entire society. So some of
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: this might sound contradictory, but that's why the fear factor
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: is now at eight. Bottom line, it's at eight because
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: if we hit AGI, I know we are done, but
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I'm also still somewhat and I don't know what percentage
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I would put on this. It may not even be
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: fifty percent, but I still think there's a chance we
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: don't reach a legitimate chance that we don't reach AGI.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: But of course that then would create a whole series
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: of other economic problems, including a likely stock market collapse.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: So that's the most recent AI update. Obviously, this is
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: going to be continuing to be a subject that I
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: discuss on this podcast, but since Musk made such a
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: dramatic statement about it, it got so much attention. I
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: put out a video out there must sort of responded,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and because it hits at an issue that I feel
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: so passionately about, I wanted to address it in this
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, especially with an adjustment to our
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: fear factor rating. Now I have a penant for making
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: weird analogies. Sometimes they're really good, at least I think
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: they are, and I have an analogy here that I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: think is actually quite interesting on a number of levels.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you will as well. If you're an avid listener
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to this podcast, you probably aren't going to be surprised
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: by this analogy. But I actually think that there is
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: a remarkable comparison to be made, and this is partially
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: why I'm very, very pessimistic if we reach AGI, a
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: comparison to be made to what might happen to our
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: entire culture because of AI and what has happened to
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: college sports. And you might be thinking, Zike, where are
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: you going with this? And what I mean by that
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: is in college sports, we had an incredibly small number
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: of people, these elites. There was never any vote who
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: just went down this path and fundamentally altered everything under
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: great promises of this utopian world where college athletes are
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: going to get paid what they're worth, We're gonna get
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: rid of the civil rights problem that we have is
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: were destroying the civil rights of these poor student athletes
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: that are getting ripped off of all the value that
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: they create. And conservatives thought, this will be a free market,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: this is going to be wonderful. And I was out
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: in front as much as I could, telling people this
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: is not gonna work. There's gonna be all sorts of
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: unintended consequences. You're not seeing this through, You're not thinking
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: this through. And in in a way that I will
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: regret the rest of my life because I think it's
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: destroyed one of the greatest things about America, certainly American sports.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: College sports was destroyed in record time, in just a
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: couple of years because of these radical changes to the
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: fundamental nature of the entire institution sold to us without
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: a vote. I mean, the NCAA never voted on this.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: A couple of judges, you know, made some big decisions.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom made a big decision in this, and all
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: of a sudden everything was radically altered. And the promises
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: that we were made were bullshit, much like I think
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: the promises that Elon Musk is making about universal high
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: wage and the utopia that AI will create economically is
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: a bullshit promise. And it happened remarkably fast and without
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: a fight. That's the part of the college sports destruction
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: that has me most baffled and most depressed. This all
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: happened without a fight, and we saw it during COVID.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: That's the other part of the Elon Musk, you know,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: universal high wage thing that I don't understand. He's also
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: a COVID critic or skeptic, and we saw during COVID
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the massive problems that just dipping our toe into the
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: water of a universal high wage created inflation and fraud
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and perverse incentives people not wanting to go back to work.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: How must doesn't see this. I don't know, but it's
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: a very, in my mind, very similar dynamic to what
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: happened with college sports. We didn't have a fight back
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: against the tyranny of COVID. I don't think we're gonna
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: have a fight back against the absurdity of a universal
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: high wage if we get to AGI. And we saw
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: no fight back, even among core college sports fans, against
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: a radical alteration of the entire foundation of the sport.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: No pushback at all. I mean, it was pathetic. I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: know this isn't a minuscule example, but to me it
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: really hit home, not just because the game has meant
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: so much in my life. It was the first football
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: game I ever watched in nineteen seventy four. But how
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: in the world the USC Notre Dame football game could
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: just be wiped out and no one give a shit
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: on the verge of the high under the anniversary of
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: the game just be wiped out and everyone's like, oh, oh, well,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: that's too bad, let's move on. That to me was
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: a seminal moment. I'm like, oh my god, oh my god,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna let all this happen and no one
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: is going to push back at all. There's not gonna
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: be any fight. And I know this might sound strange
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: to people, but that's how I have concluded. We are
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: totally toase cooked if we reach AGI because we saw
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: during COVID, we've seen during the college sports collapse, even
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: people that ought to get it don't push back, don't
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: fight back, and we let these things happen remarkably easily.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: And I have to give Donald Trump credit, even though
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to do anything about it, but
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. If Donald Trump understood the rest of his
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: job as well as he seemingly understands what nil and
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: instant transfers have and radical realignment have done the college sports,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: we would be in great shape. And I would be
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: apologizing for not being totally on board with his twenty
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: twenty four presidential campaign. During the CNBC interview that I
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: referenced earlier in this podcast on Monday, Trump went off
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: on how the judiciary and just one particular one female judge,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: although he ought to also be criticizing his own judge,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh, who played a major role in all this
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: going down the way that it did, but I agree
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: with him that the courts are a massive problem. The
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: weakness of the NCAA is a huge part of this issue,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: and how college sports have been destroyed in a way
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that is not unlike what I think society will suffer
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: will happen to society if in fact we reach AGI,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: although I doubt Trump has made this comparison in his head. Unfortunately,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Trump is not screaming bloody murder about what happens with
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: AGI and universal high wage and any of that, which
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I guess is a typical Trump blind spot, but he
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: certainly gets it when it comes to what's happened to Kleet.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: So here's what that sounded like earlier this week on CNBC.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Look what happened with Nil. They destroyed college sports, the
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: court system destroyed. So hard to put that one back, Humpty, dumpty,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: So hard to put that one back together. You know,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: we had one hundred and fifty years of rulings and
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: everything else, and they had such a great system. Was
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: a scholarship system. You get free college of your good athletes,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: you get this, you get bad And it took care
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: of every sport fencing, not only football. Now it's all football,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: and the football is bringing down colleges because they're losing.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Did you see, Penn State lost five hundred million dollars
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: last year. Florida State lost four hundred and fifty million
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: dollars last year. They can't lose that kind of money.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: They don't make that kind of money. And the courts,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: the courts, the court system. A person that never had
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: anything to do with sports, a very liberal leaning Democrat,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: she decided that the sports system that was in place
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: for one hundred and fifty years is no good. She
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: never went to a game before, is no good. And
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: she said it's unconstitutional. And unfortunately, NCAAA didn't even appeal it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: You know, I've won a lot of cases on appeal.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, we got some really bad judges,
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: but I've won a lot of cases on appeal, some
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: great people. Some we have, fortunately, some great people in
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: the appellate courts, and I've won cases. They didn't appeal it.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: And because of that, college sports is a disaster right now.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: You have many people staying in college because they're going
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: to make more money than they would if they went
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: into baseball, Major League Baseball or the NFL. They can
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: make more money. You know, a seven year freshman, We
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: have a seven year freshman it's crazy what they've done.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: And this is a person that never went to a game,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: acknowledged not familiar with sports, but she overruled everything. She said,
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: it's all unconstitutional. Started all over again. And thank goodness,
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: we have people like Randy Levine and others that coach
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Saban who is so great, and we have a lot
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: of people got together. But it's very hard to put
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: that one together. I will tell you right now. It's
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: a tough one. But they're going to do the best.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: But if the courts had common sense, they would have
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: done they would have done something that could have been
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: very easy to do and made everybody happy. If they
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: had common sense, we would not be paying back almost
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: two hundred billion dollars in tariff, so stupidly.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I completely agree with Trump there. However, it seems almost
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: like an admission that his executive order trying to fix
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: college sports is not going to have any impact, because
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: you notice he didn't brag about his executive order saving
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: college sports. He acknowledged that college sports is destroyed. Well,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: that must mean that his executive order doesn't mean anything.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Because his executive order, which just had some you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: fairly common sense edicts about limiting transfer and trying to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: limit the amount of money that players can make, you know,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: was praised by some people, including Nick Saban, but I
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: don't think it has the force of law, especially when
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Trump's not going to be president in a couple of years.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: And so this is one of those situations, much like
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: again making the comparison to AI, and if we reach
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: AGI where you can't put the genie back in the bottle,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: there's no going back. That's part of the AI thing
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: that has me so agitated. Once you go down this path,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: it's impossible to go back, and we've seen it with
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: regard to college sports. And I think one of the
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: reasons why Trump is frustrated by this is not just
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: that his executive order isn't going to magically fix it,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: and the courts got their head up their ass on
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: this whole thing. The fundamental issue with the courts is
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I have never understood, and no one has ever explained
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: to me, how it is that a student athlete can
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: be treated as if they are an employee get all
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: of the benefits of being an employee without any of
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: the responsibilities. From a legal perspective, I am completely and
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: totally baffled that was the argument that should have been
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: made from day one. They're a student athlete, they're not
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: an employee. And everything that has gone wrong flows from that.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: And I've said a million times, liberals got duped into
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: thinking this was a civil rights issue. Conservatives thought this
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: was a free market issue. Bullshit. It was a fake
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: market and it was not a civil rights issue. If
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: lacrosse instead of basketball and football, if lacrosse was the
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: most popular and profitable sport in all of college athletics,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: none of us would have happened because they were all
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: be rich white people, and no one would care that
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: rich white people weren't getting paid money that they theoretically
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: deserve because lacrosse was making so much cash for these schools.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: It was all because of the fact that the two
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: most popular sports, football and basketball, are dominated by black athletes,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and inherently liberals go, oh my god, that's the civil
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: rights issue. These people should be getting paid. This is
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: like slave labor. No, it was not slave labor. You're
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: a student athlete. It was a privilege, a privilege, a
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: privilege to be able to represent the school you were
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: attending as a student on the athletic field, and you
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: got enormous benefits from that, whether it's a scholarship and
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: all sorts of other benefits related to a scholarship, branding,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: training to be a professional athlete if you're good enough.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the whole thing was insane, and
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Trump's right, it's been destroyed, but there's no fix. A
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: lot like the whole AI thing, So be careful what
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: path you go down, because once you go down, you
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: can't reverse it. By the way, another sports comparison to
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: this whole AI thing that has me convinced we're screwed.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: It's not just the way there was no pushback against
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: the destruction of college sports. And I've referenced this before,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: but I think warrants another sighting. This baseball ABS balls
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: and strike system. To me that's cemented that was like
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: the last nail in the coffin when I realized, oh
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: my god, society is going to embrace this bullshit. When
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I say that, I mean AI, this love of technology
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: over everything that even baseball fans embrace this ABS system,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: which has all sorts of problems that are going to
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: be created unintended consequences into the future, including I believe,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I truly believe that eventually, it might take twenty years,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but eventually, I think it's going to
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: be almost impossible to find an umpire to umpire a
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: high school or a college baseball game, because you've destroyed
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: the entire ecosystem of umpiring because of the ABS system.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: But anyway, the biggest, the biggest part of this is
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: the fact that people love technology taking over our lives.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: That to me was a tell that we are toast
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: completely cooked if we reach AGI. All right, so enough
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: of that for now, But I want to continue with
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Trump and another topic that I find infuriating because it
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: deals with people believing nonsensical things and conspiracies and what
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: has become of the MAGA movement. But Trump has decided
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: to throw a bone to a lot of his supporters
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: who seem to be obsessed with conspiracies by releasing the
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: so called UFO files. And Trump, I would like to believe,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: is smart enough to understand that this is all bullshit,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: But he also understands that to a lot of his supporters,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: this is very, very very popular issue. So he's teasing them,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: he's playing foot seat with them. And here was Trump
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: a few days ago touting the release of the UFO files.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: As you remember, I recently directed the Secretary of.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: War, how good is Pete Hegseth doing by the law.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: To begin releasing government files relating to UFOs an unexplained
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: aerial phenomena.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: And I figured this was a good crowd because I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: know you people, you're really into that. I don't know
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: if I am, but so I'm pleased to report today.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: I thought I'd save it for this crowd because you're
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: a little bit out there, you know, a little bit.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: That this process is well underway, and we found many
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: very interesting documents, I must say, and the first releases
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: will begin very very soon now.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: When I saw that, my first reaction was, Okay, here
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: we go again with the Epstein files, only this time.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I doubt Trump's going to be named in the UFO files.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: I guess anything's possible. But you know, the Epstein Files
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: was effectively garbage that people put way, way, way way,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: especially the media, too much credibility onto. I mean, they're
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: basically just stories from crazy people. Most of the allegations
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: in the Epstein files. I've gone through many, many times,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: all the problems with the Epstein files. I told you
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: that the Epstein files would reveal no real proof of
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: a massive sex trafficking conspiracy, and that's why no one
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: has ever been charged other than Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm not even sure Maxwell should have been charged.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I think she got caught up in a moral panic
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: and got convicted in a sham trial during the COVID
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: panic with very very limited evidence. But I do think
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: there's a very strong comparison to what we're likely to
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: see here with the UFO files and the Epstein files,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of garbage store worries that are going to
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  Speaker 1: be given way too much credibility because people want to
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  Speaker 1: believe that's the essence of this whole thing. People are invested,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: they want to believe this. And I kind of stepped
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: into this on X after Trump made that statement. In fact,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I retweeted or quote tweeted Trump's statement that we just played,
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  Speaker 1: and I made a very simple statement. I said, look,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I can save everyone a lot of time on this
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  Speaker 1: whole aliens from out of space, out of space situation.
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  Speaker 1: We've not been visited by aliens from out of space,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: and I explained very simply why which are going to
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: go through again in a second, and I got attacked
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  Speaker 1: for days. I mean, I've been ratioed a lot on X.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Ratio means that you get a lot more negative responses
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: than you get likes for a particular post, and I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: don't think I've ever been ratioed the way that I
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  Speaker 1: was for saying that it's clear that we've never been
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  Speaker 1: visited by space aliens, which is just so telling to
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  Speaker 1: me about how completely dysfunctional our public discourse is.
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  Speaker 3: Here.
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  Speaker 1: I am making a very simple logic and fact based statement,
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  Speaker 1: and the people that have no evidence whatsoever to back
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  Speaker 1: up what they want to believe, they're so confident that
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: they're right. And by the way, they're so confident that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: the UFFO files are going to vindicate them, which I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: find to be hilarious because we all know what was
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: going to happen with the Epstein files is going to
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: happen with the UFO files. If there's no smoking gun,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: which there's not going to be any smoking gun, they're
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: going to say, Aha, the cover up continues. The really
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: good stuff was reacted. I mean, what's the logic, But
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  Speaker 1: I mean, these people have no logic at all. But
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I would love for someone to explain to me Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you believe that we've been visited by space aliens
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  Speaker 1: and the government has been covering this up. So why
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: would the government allow that proof to be released publicly?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Why? Why? What? Why wouldn't they just redact or destroy
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: that particular piece of evidence. And we have these and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: the fact that it's mostly Republican congress people who are
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: seeking attention by saying, oh, my god, if you saw
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: what I saw. And to be fair, Barack Obama made
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: a cryptic statement on a on a podcast which I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: didn't understand, where where all these peoples, Oh, if you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: see what I've seen, you would really be have your
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: mind blown? Well, yeah, because I'm sure that there are
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: some people who have seen shit at night, you know,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: maybe under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or just
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: because they got in a confusing situation, or maybe they saw,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: you know, some sort of aircraft that the military is
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: not made public. Or there's all sorts of potential explanations
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: that do not include us having been visited by space aliens.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: But these people, they desperately want to believe. There's an
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: entire incentive structure that has you know, congressmen, mostly Republicans,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: getting attention by giving this cult, and there's absolutely because
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I experienced it myself, a cult of space alien believers
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: who really really want to believe in this so much
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: so that they're totally convinced that it's happened. There's evidence
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: of it, and we're going to get that evidence in
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: the UFO files. Now, look, they're probably going to come
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: up with something much like they we saw with the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Epstein files, that they're going to be able to go Aha,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: see look at this. Explain this well, I don't need
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: to explain this some sort of stray piece of video
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: that from in the dark that can't be explained you know,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: by what we currently know by Wait, we've already been
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: through this. Remember at the end of twenty twenty four,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: we had the drones over New Jersey bullshit that turned
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: out to be absolutely not that. Look to me, this
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: entire issue is pretty simple.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: We have now explored so many planets, even beyond our
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Solar System, to the extent that we know that there's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: no life, no intelligent life on any of them for
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: an extraordinary distance, a distance that I guarantee you ninety
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of Americans have no concept of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: so let me try in the best way I can
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  Speaker 1: to explain it, because let's be clear, when I'm fifty
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: nine years old, when I was young, and there was
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: the whole narrative of you know, are there martians? Right, Martians?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Because it's possible, because we knew enough about Mars that
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: it was possible that there could be intelligent life on
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Mars because of the atmosphere. It's possible in theory. But
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: then guess what happened. We landed a probe on Mars.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: We have pictures. There's nothing on Mars, nothing, no intelligent life.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: For rational person, that ended it. Oh oh, so there's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: no Santa Claus. That sucks. That will have been fun
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: if there were such things as Martians. But oh well,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: let's move on in the real world. That's what rational
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: people did at that time when we realized that there
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: was no intelligent life on Mars. That should have ended it.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: But guess what. We got the technology to be able
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: to explore all sorts of planets, way way way beyond
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Mars and still no sign of intelligent life. Zero. So
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: let me give you some some numbers here to get
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: to the moon. To get to the moon, which we
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: just did to great fanfare. It's a quarter of a
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: million miles thereabouts, a quarter of a million miles. It's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: a long way, but man has been able to do
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: it in a fairly short amount of time, and you know,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: it's well documented. Even though there's some of these crazy
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: people that think we never landed on the moon. This
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: is which is totally completely insane, but unfortunately, you know,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of insane people in our society
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: these days. But a quarter of a million miles to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: the moon, now, a million miles is an extraordinary distance.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: A million miles. I've talked all the time about what
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: a large number a million is that most people don't understand.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: A million miles is an extraordinary distance four times four
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: times what it takes to get to the moon. Mars
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: is about one hundred and forty million. It changes during
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: the year on how far the planets are, and there's
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: all sorts of different calculations, but on average, Mars is
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: about one hundred and forty million miles away in extraordinary distance.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: But we were able to reach it with a probe
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: no intelligent life. So that's one hundred and forty million miles.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Do you know how far it is to the planet
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: that we know exists but don't have enough information on
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: yet to declare that there's no intelligent life on it.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: You know how far that is. It's twenty five trillion
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: miles trillion trillion. And by the way, it's only theoretical
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: that there could be intelligent life on that planet. It
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't even have a real name. It's just theoretical. Because
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: we have gotten close enough, we don't have enough information
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: to determine one hundred percent that there's not intelligent life
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: on it. There's no evidence that there's intelligent life, which
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: by the way, there should be if there was. We
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: just haven't been able to one hundred percent discount the
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: idea that there could theoretically be intelligent life on that planet.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: It's twenty five trillion miles away. Now this to be clear.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: The Moon is a quarter of a million miles mars
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: about one hundred and forty million miles. You take a
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: million miles four times the distance to the Moon. Then
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: you multiply that by a thousand to get a billion
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: miles one thousand, and then you take that number and
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: you multiply it by a thousand to get eight trillion miles.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: And then you multiply that number by twenty five to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: get twenty five trillion miles million miles to the planet
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: that is the closest to us that could even theoretically
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: underlying theoretically have intelligent life. It's impossible. And going back
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: to the Epstein files, it's so similar to me to
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: the whole Epstein didn't really kill himself people, the Epstein
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: didn't really kill himself. People will never give you a suspect,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: which I keep saying, just tell me who did it.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: If he didn't kill himself, which he obviously did in
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: a federal prison, we had an incredibly small number of suspects.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: We know exactly who was in that prison at that time,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: because you can't just transport yourself into a federal prison
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: and then leave with no sign of you ever being there.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: So who did it? Give me a suspect? Well, very similarly,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I always ask the people who think that we've been
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: visited by space aliens, So what planet did they come from?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Give me a planet. Just tell me what the planet is,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: because they got to have a home base, So which
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: one was it? No one will ever tell me that.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: And I guarantee you that almost none of these people
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: understand that it's at least twenty five trillion miles between
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: us and a planet that could theoretically have intelligent life. Now,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: there are some who will tell you that, but John,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: they've already visited us here and they just didn't I guess,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: didn't leave any evidence, or they left, or they're living
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: here among us, maybe under the oceans. This is one
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: of my favorite because this seems to be a popular
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: theory based upon the reactions I got on social media,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: and to that I reply, oh, okay, you know that
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: might have been an interesting theory maybe thirty forty years ago.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: But yes, what have you not heard that? We now
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: have billions, billions, billions of cameras all over the Earth,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: in every corner of the Earth. Most human beings, especially
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: in the Western world, almost all human beings have a
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: camera with them at all times. Plus there's told numbers
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: of security cameras, military cameras. I mean, there's cameras everywhere,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: and yet we don't have any sort of clear cut
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: video evidence of these beings existing here on Earth. I mean,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: come on, people, And the part that I find to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: be most humorous and boy that I piss off a
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: lot of people because I responded, I don't all at
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: least dozens, maybe one hundred people in a similar fashion.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: They will always say to me, but John, you don't
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: understand that we might not fully have all the fixed
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: physics down. In other words, our understanding of sens in
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: physics might be very rudimentary in comparison to what the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: aliens have. So you're trying, you're very small minded, John,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: You're trying to evaluate what the aliens are capable of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: based upon what we are capable of and are what
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: might be almost a caveman like understanding of physics and science.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: And my first reaction is, you do know that we
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: have a space program, right that's been pretty fucking vindicated
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: by our view of physics and science. It's pretty darn good,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: not perfect, made a lot of mistakes, some people have died,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't because of our lack of understanding in
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: general of physics and science. But some of the things
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: we've been able to do in our space program have
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: been pretty fucking amazing. So I don't know how it
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: is that, you know, It's not like we got into
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: space and everything we thought we knew turned out to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: be totally false. It's been exactly the opposite. But the
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: the most entertaining part of this, and the part that
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: really pissed these people off, is I'm telling you the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: way that they are thinking about this, and I use
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: that term thinking loosely, is almost exactly like a nine
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: or a ten year old desperately trying to hang on
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: to Santa Claus. You know what, Santa has the ability
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: to do things we don't understand. There's a way that
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Santa can get from house to house all in one night.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't have to be governed by the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: laws of physics and science, or the speed of light
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: or any of the things that we understand, because he's
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: got magic, and maybe you can go through wormhole wormholes
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: or transporting himself like on Star Trek. I mean, it's
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: almost exactly the same thinking is Oh, and that's what
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I say to these people. Oh, so you're telling me
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: that Santa Claus might exist, My nine year old will
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: be very excited about this, because we're just we're not
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: using our imagination enough. The reality. It's all bullshit, because
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: if it had existed, if it had happened, there would
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: be massive amounts of evidence of it at this point.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: But there's no logic and there's no evidence, and there's
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: no explanation for where the fuck these space aliens came from.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: But the masses will be titillated once again. You know
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: the magabase, and it does seem as if the MAGA
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: base has basically become a conspiracy creation machine on all
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: sorts of levels. I'm sure we'll get their jollys and
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: make a whole lot of bullshit out of some scraps
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: that they found that couldn't be explained, especially when they
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: got Congress people effectively justifying and enabling their fantasies, all
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: because they know they can get on television, because when
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: they do a television segment on UFOs or space aliens,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: it hits because there's a huge number of people that
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: are I'm fine with you being interested in it. It
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: can be an interesting topic, but it's more than just interest.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: There are people who truly believe in this bullshit and
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: they are a very fervent audience. This is a cult.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: I learned this first ad. This is a cult these people,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: and it's all bullshit. It's not true, it makes no sense,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: but I'm quite certain that no one's mind. Much like
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: the Epstein files. No one's mind is going to be
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: changed when the UFO files get released and we have
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: to rummage through all sorts of bull crap and debunk
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things that make no sense. And
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: they will never ever ever tell you where did these
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: aliens or whoever's in these UFOs? Where did they come from?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: If they're not from Earth, where did they come from?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: They'll never give you that answer. Thanks for listening to
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