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354: Sister Wives Rewind - Unforgiven (S10 E5) · Reality TV Cringe

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Reality TV the Podcast. My name
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Speaker 1: is Delia and I'm one of your co hosts, and
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Speaker 1: I'm here with my real tight homegirl and my daughter
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Speaker 1: in law, the stupendous, the exotic, and the beautiful beatre.
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Speaker 1: That's me. We're here to talk Sister Wildhoody. We are
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Speaker 1: still in our rewind era. We are currently in season
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Speaker 1: ten as we await news on the return of Sister
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Speaker 1: Wives season twenty one or twenty two. What season is.
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Speaker 2: Season twenty one?
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Speaker 1: I think I haven't heard. What is that coming? What's happening?
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Speaker 1: We haven't heard We've heard something by Augus. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, So we don't know when it's coming back.
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Speaker 1: And until then we're going to continue our rewinds. But
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Speaker 1: before we get into our recap today, we want to
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Speaker 1: issue you is very important to it's very serious. Please
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Speaker 1: Before we get into our recap, I just wanted to
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Speaker 1: ask you, beautiful Beatrice, whether you have any takeaways.
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say it right now. I'm kind of
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Speaker 2: team Leon this week. I normally don't really like Leon.
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Speaker 2: I think Leon's pretty annoying. I understand Mary was coming
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Speaker 2: to them in earnest, but I'm like, you know what,
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Speaker 2: Leon's pretty based this week. I understand how they're coming
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Speaker 2: except for the eyebrow comment that was that was straight
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Speaker 2: up me.
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Speaker 1: That was pretty mean. I would agree, Yeah, Well, my
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Speaker 1: takeaway has nothing to do with sis wives. Instead, I
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Speaker 1: just want y'all to know that we live in Texas,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know if y'all have heard, but it's
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Speaker 1: hot here.
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Speaker 2: It's hot as hell.
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Speaker 1: It is like almost seven thirty at night, and it
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Speaker 1: is one hundred and four actual not feels like no,
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Speaker 1: like actual temperature in real life. It is so hot,
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Speaker 1: and so in the background you are going to be
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Speaker 1: hearing a NonStop air conditioner. Typically, we like to turn
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Speaker 1: it off so that we can have a very quiet
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Speaker 1: environment to have our very sacred, serious discussions. But tonight
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Speaker 1: we're just gonna have to blast the AC, honey, because
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Speaker 1: otherwise we're going we're not going to exist anymore. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so just deef yi that's my takeaway. It's freaking hot.
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Speaker 1: What's going on? For real? Is it the climate change?
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Speaker 2: It's the data centers?
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Speaker 1: Is it the data centers? I don't know. Oh my god?
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Speaker 1: Is it Sam Altman? We're talking about him? Yeah, we
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Speaker 1: will be all right. Let's get into this very meaty,
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Speaker 1: very long, juicy, and very long episode of season's, Season ten,
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Speaker 1: episode five five Unforgiven Mary, Mary forgiven any in more
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Speaker 1: ways than one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, your child is not forgiven you yep, and neither
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Speaker 2: did Robin or Cody.
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Speaker 1: No, big yikes.
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Speaker 2: Well, we start the episode off at Janelle's house with
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Speaker 2: Maddie and Caleb. They're gonna go wedding dress shopping because
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Speaker 2: a lot of this episode is going to be centering
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Speaker 2: around not only just Mary and Leon, but Robin and
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Speaker 2: in her pregnancy and also Caleb and Maddie and getting married,
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Speaker 2: and respectfully, I don't care about that stuff. I don't
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Speaker 2: care about the pregnancy. No, I don't care about the wedding.
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Speaker 2: That's great, And I kind of care.
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Speaker 1: About the wedding. I don't. I love a good wedding.
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Speaker 1: I don't. Well, we have to touch upon it.
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Speaker 2: We do I know. So we're at Janelle's house, Maddie
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Speaker 2: and Caleb were there. Maddie's gonna go wedding dress shopping
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Speaker 2: and and she's really excited. She ultimately wants everybody to cry.
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Speaker 2: She wants Caleb to cry. She wants Cody to cry.
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Speaker 2: She doesn't even want Cody at the shop while she's
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Speaker 2: trying on wedding dresses.
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Speaker 1: And Cody wants to be at the shop, though, which
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Speaker 1: is interesting. Why does he always want to be at
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Speaker 1: the lady's fashion shops?
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Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of faeries.
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Speaker 1: Is there a conspiracy or two out there about that?
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's this flamboyant personality and I don't maybe, or
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Speaker 2: maybe it's just because she's his first daughter getting married
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Speaker 2: and he kind of wants to be a part of
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Speaker 2: it in his own dumb, like selfish way or whatever.
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Speaker 2: But I thought the scene was interesting because Maddie, you know,
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Speaker 2: does say she really wants Caleb to cry when she's
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Speaker 2: walking down the aisle, and I think every girl wants
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Speaker 2: that when she's getting mooed. She wants her husband to
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Speaker 2: be to be all in tears and emotional at her
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Speaker 2: beauty or whatever. And she says this, and Cody's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you do want that. You're manipulative that way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm my damn.
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Speaker 2: And he says it as like a joke. He's like, no,
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Speaker 2: just kidding, I don't mean it that, But I'm like,
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Speaker 2: who says that about their first daughter getting married? Like
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Speaker 2: w tf?
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Speaker 1: It was very strange.
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Speaker 2: I didn't understand that at all. And so ultimately they
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Speaker 2: go wedding dress shopping.
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Speaker 1: She picks a dress.
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Speaker 2: I loved it is she did look really pretty, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: everybody was so happy for her, and I liked how
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Speaker 2: she had all of the moms there, even Robin with her.
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Speaker 1: Big old pregnant billy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of the eldest daughters and everything were there,
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Speaker 2: and I thought that that was really sweet, and I
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Speaker 2: am happy for her and stuff. It's just like when
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Speaker 2: the episode is surrounding Mary and the Catfish and Mary
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Speaker 2: trying to rekindle her relationship with Leon, that's what I
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Speaker 2: want to see. Yeah, you know what I mean. And
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Speaker 2: so then we go over to Mary's house where we
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Speaker 2: have this like little segment about her painting journey because
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Speaker 2: she's gotten really into her artwork and stuff.
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Speaker 1: I forgot about that. I already blotted it from my consciousness.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, and look, it's really cute that she has
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Speaker 2: a hobby, and I think it's great, and I think
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Speaker 2: her artwork is really sweet or whatever. She talks about
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Speaker 2: how she's meeting with a painting instructor to work on
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Speaker 2: these paintings she's making for Cody and the other wives,
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Speaker 2: and the paintings she's making are.
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Speaker 1: Trees, lots and lots and lots of trees.
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Speaker 2: And a lot of it is like symbolic for Mary
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Speaker 2: saying to the family, I want to be a part
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Speaker 2: of the family.
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Speaker 1: I clear about guys. Can I come back?
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Speaker 2: Can I be a tree in your field? Please? So
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Speaker 2: she makes Cody a painting with twenty three trees, and
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Speaker 2: that's supposed to symbolize like the entire family, all of
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Speaker 2: the wives and all the children included. And then she's
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Speaker 2: making paintings that are customized for each of the wives,
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Speaker 2: like Janelle's going to be pine trees, Mary's or Robin's
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Speaker 2: gonna be palm trees, I think, and Christine's gonna be
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Speaker 2: these weird swirly.
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Speaker 1: Trees, whimsical trees with fairy lights.
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Speaker 2: And look, that's cute or what have her? And I
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Speaker 2: think that it's Mary's way of trying to build back
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Speaker 2: a relationship with the family because she had kind of
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Speaker 2: withdrawn from everybody when she was sucking on a banana
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Speaker 2: in a bathtub and talking to Sam not Sam.
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Speaker 1: Holtman, don't get confused, don't get confused.
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Speaker 2: And so I think it's sweet or whatever. But again,
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Speaker 2: I just we don't need to say.
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Speaker 1: Well, I just felt a lot of affection for Mary actually,
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Speaker 1: because when she was talking to the painting instructor, who
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Speaker 1: knew that that was a thing. She's talking to her
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Speaker 1: painting instructor about each of her sister wives, and she's
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Speaker 1: like really very complimentary towards Janelle. Janelle loves to camp
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Speaker 1: and she loves nature, and Christine's just such a good
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Speaker 1: time and she's just always so happy. And I forgot
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Speaker 1: what she said about Robin Free Spirit. I don't say
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Speaker 1: anything about.
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Speaker 2: I can't remember.
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Speaker 1: And then I was looking in the painting though, to
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Speaker 1: try and find the painting that signified her in Cody,
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Speaker 1: and I think it was the one that she was
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Speaker 1: working on in the actual segment, which was like three Mountains. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so maybe that's Cody Leon and Mary. Probably it just
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Speaker 1: there was something very melancholic about it as well. I
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Speaker 1: felt bad for her. She's trying.
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Speaker 2: I feel bad for her too, because she really is trying,
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Speaker 2: and like, obviously she knows she messed up, and she
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Speaker 2: talks about it throughout the episode, about how she broke
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Speaker 2: trust with everyone in the family, Like she doesn't name
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Speaker 2: names specifically, but she says like she has to work
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Speaker 2: on rebuilding her relationships with a lot of people, and
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Speaker 2: we know that this includes Leon. We know that this
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Speaker 2: is including Cody and Robin and probably a few other
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Speaker 2: people in the family. And so I do I do
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Speaker 2: feel for her because she is trying. It just sucks
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Speaker 2: because we know that it doesn't really matter to the
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Speaker 2: rest of the family, especially Cody. To Cody and Robin,
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Speaker 2: because they already feel betrayed at this point, I.
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Speaker 1: Think it's certainly coming across as if she would like
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Speaker 1: Mary to just shut up about it already, like and
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Speaker 1: she's been talking about how Mary was taken advantage of.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, what does she have to be betrayed about? Nothing? Cody, yes,
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Speaker 1: Robin no, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Robin no, she has nothing. But I think she is
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Speaker 2: betrayed on behalf of Cody, and we know Robin's a
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Speaker 2: snake and she never really liked Mary, so I do
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Speaker 2: feel for her. I think it's a really sweet project
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Speaker 2: that she's doing and working on. I think we end
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Speaker 2: up seeing her give the paintings to everybody in like
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Speaker 2: another episode. And I want to say, if I remember correctly,
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Speaker 2: that Cody like doesn't give a shit about the painting
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Speaker 2: and it's really sad actually, but like the wives actually
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Speaker 2: care about. Like I know, Janelle and Christine have a
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Speaker 2: pretty good reaction because they see the symbolism in it,
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Speaker 2: and they see the meaning that Mary is, you know,
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Speaker 2: portraying in this stuff. But Cody, I think shit's all
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Speaker 2: over it and is like, no, cool, thanks, I guess,
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Speaker 2: and he doesn't see the kind gesturesh.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be terrible. I'm gonna get mad. I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you right now.
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Speaker 2: Me too. And then we have a little segment with
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Speaker 2: Cody and Robin meeting with their midwife because Robin is
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Speaker 2: big and pregnant and she's three weeks till her due date.
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Speaker 2: She's having Braxton Hanks and she's worried about it.
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Speaker 1: Is it, Sam? Whaty is it? Is? He?
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Speaker 2: So we have to meet with the midwife and we
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Speaker 2: see Robin and her stretch marks.
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Speaker 1: And listen, I don't want to point that out, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't, you did, But we don't want to point
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Speaker 1: that out except for the fact that Robin is the
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Speaker 1: one that called out the stretch marks with the other
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Speaker 1: three wives, and how Cody's such a saint for loving
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Speaker 1: them even though they were fat and had stretch marks,
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Speaker 1: and here you are with all your stretch marks.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, and obviously there's nothing wrong with stretch marks,
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Speaker 2: so beautiful or whatever. But like the fact that Robin
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Speaker 2: made that comment in later seasons, it's just funny to
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Speaker 2: see it in the earlier ones, and how that's okay, right,
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Speaker 2: but whatever. So she has her like ultrasound and everything's fine,
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Speaker 2: the baby's fine. Cody makes some dumb comment about how
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Speaker 2: he really wants Ari to be born on New Year's
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Speaker 2: Eve and how he thinks it'd be really fun for
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Speaker 2: tax purposes, right, so that he can deduct the kid
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Speaker 2: on taxes for the whole year and that'd be really cool, right,
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Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, that's what you care about, but
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Speaker 2: we like whatever, and that's pretty much it. I don't
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Speaker 2: really care about Robin. I don't really care about her pregnancy,
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Speaker 2: no offense to Ari. I just don't give a shit
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Speaker 2: about Robin and coach day. So then we go back
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Speaker 2: to Mary and Mary is planning a trip to go
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Speaker 2: to Utah to visit Leon and to try and talk
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Speaker 2: to Leon about their feelings about the whole catfish situation,
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Speaker 2: because obviously Leon is pissed off about it and has
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Speaker 2: a lot of hurt feelings and this has caused an
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Speaker 2: estrangement between Leon and Mary, and Mary really is going
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Speaker 2: over there in earnest. However, she wants to bring Solomon
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Speaker 2: on the trip, and she says she wants to bring
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Speaker 2: Solomon because it would be a really good, like tension diffuser,
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Speaker 2: because Solomon and Leon are really close, and she wants
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Speaker 2: Solomon's like light and bubbly energy there to make it
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Speaker 2: less awkward between Mary and Leon. I kind of feel
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Speaker 2: a certain way about that, So.
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Speaker 1: Mary, well, what kind of way do you feel about that? Show?
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Speaker 2: I just don't feel like, if you're going there to
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Speaker 2: work on your relationship with your kid, you don't need
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Speaker 2: to bring another kid as like a buffer.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Solomon is intended to be like a meat shield, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so that Mary can hide behind him and not have
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Speaker 1: to articulate her ownership and what happened, and that's what
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Speaker 1: they'd have to fully face what Leona is going through. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's really obvious and it's also unfortunate. But Mary doesn't
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Speaker 1: have the reck was it self reflection to understand that
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Speaker 1: that's the reason. Yeah, she wants Solomon to come exactly.
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Speaker 2: And so Mary goes over to Robin and Cody's house
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Speaker 2: to basically ask for permission to bring Solomon on this trip.
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Speaker 2: And she says, you know, hey, I just want to
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Speaker 2: bring Solomon. I'm wondering if I can go. I'm only
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Speaker 2: going to be up in Utah for a couple of nights,
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Speaker 2: is that all right? And Cody and Robin immediately say no.
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Speaker 2: Cody actually laughs at Mary at first, which I thought
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Speaker 2: was really interesting, but then he kind of covers it up,
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Speaker 2: being like, you know, I can't even take Solomon alone
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Speaker 2: because he's super attached to Robin. And Robin does have
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Speaker 2: I think, kind of a valid excuse in that Solomon's
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Speaker 2: only four, he's never had any overnight trips, he's never
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Speaker 2: even been away from Robin, and apparently, according to Robin,
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Speaker 2: he's been having like nightmares every night and he wakes
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Speaker 2: up always asking for Robin, and he's really attached to her,
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Speaker 2: and she's just like, I don't think it would be
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Speaker 2: a good idea for you to bring Solomon. And Mary
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Speaker 2: takes this super personally immediately, like immediately, doesn't even really
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Speaker 2: listen to them about it.
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Speaker 1: She skipped over there fully expecting them to say yes.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just like, as a mom, though, this is
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Speaker 1: my little baby, and you should at least maybe plan
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Speaker 1: for me to say no. Yes, like most moms would
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Speaker 1: probably say no, but within the scope of their family structure.
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Speaker 1: Mary is trying to assert the fact that she is
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Speaker 1: a parent as well, isn't she, And so that's what
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Speaker 1: she's actually bringing into the conversation is like, I'm entitled
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Speaker 1: somewhat though, right because I'm a mom too to this child,
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Speaker 1: But no, you are not. And Robin immediately shuts that down,
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Speaker 1: and you can just see it all over Mary's face,
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Speaker 1: walls up, walls off up, it's.
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Speaker 2: NATSI And she just shuts right down, like immediately, and
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Speaker 2: she says to the camera that she's actually surprised by
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Speaker 2: Cody and Robin saying no so quickly, and she takes
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Speaker 2: it so personal because she feels like it's kind of
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Speaker 2: like a trust thing because she broke the family's trust
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Speaker 2: with the catfishing situation, and so she's thinking that they
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Speaker 2: are saying no as a response to that, like we
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Speaker 2: don't trust you with her kid, we don't trust you
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Speaker 2: to be a part of the family. Like she's completely taking.
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Speaker 1: It, super protecting.
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Speaker 2: And totally projecting. And so when Cody and Robin say no,
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Speaker 2: and they're kind of polite about it, it's not really
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Speaker 2: like they're being like they're being totally reasonable. Also, like
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Speaker 2: it's not like I don't think it wasn't even that
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Speaker 2: bad of a reason to say no. But Mary immediately
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Speaker 2: gets up and is like, okay, fine, and then leaves
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Speaker 2: and slams the door.
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Speaker 1: Slammed that door, Like, dare you also just learn to
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Speaker 1: use your words no for real in the moment. Maybe
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Speaker 1: communicate and tell them how that makes you feel so
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Speaker 1: that they can give you more information so you don't
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Speaker 1: feel that way. All of these people are so terribly immature.
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Speaker 2: It's really bad. And I will say, after Mary slams
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Speaker 2: the door and leaves, Cody does kind of question Robin
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Speaker 2: about it a little bit, and it seems like, at
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Speaker 2: least for the cameras that he's trying to advocate for Mary,
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Speaker 2: and he knows that Mary's feelings are hurt, and he
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Speaker 2: understands kind of why it would be. But Cody's like,
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Speaker 2: why did you say no? And Robin's like, well, I
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Speaker 2: just don't feel comfortable. He's literally four years old. He
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Speaker 2: can't be a can't be away from me, and you
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Speaker 2: know this, he can't even be away from me for
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Speaker 2: a couple hours before he's already crying and asking for me, Like,
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Speaker 2: I just don't think it's the right time for him
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Speaker 2: right now, which is fully fair, and that's fair, and
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Speaker 2: like Robin to the camera says, like it has nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with Mary, like I know, I trust her
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Speaker 2: as a person, I trust her as a mom. I'm
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Speaker 2: just also trying to be a mom to Solomon. So
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Speaker 2: suebi right, and Cody ultimately understands Robin's perspective and he
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Speaker 2: respects her mom gut instinct. But then this leads to
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Speaker 2: Robin and Cody walking all over to Mary's haunted house
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Speaker 2: to talk to her about it and try and ease
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Speaker 2: her feefees because she's very obviously upset.
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Speaker 1: She's crying, straight up crying, and she does have the
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Speaker 1: insight to tell producers in the camera that she feels
17:48
Speaker 1: this is a trust issue, that she's being rejected in
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Speaker 1: this moment because Cody and Robin and maybe the entire
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Speaker 1: family don't really trust her anymore, Like this is further
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Speaker 1: evidence that she's broke can that trust with everybody, And
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Speaker 1: so she's just really dejected when they come walking in
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Speaker 1: and just try to explain to her, like, hey, like
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Speaker 1: it's not personal at all, Like this would be a
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Speaker 1: huge bummer for you. Like maybe it'd be cool for
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Speaker 1: three hours while you're on the road or whatever, but
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Speaker 1: then Solomon would have an absolute meltdown and crash out.
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Speaker 1: And the only person Solomon wants is Robin in this
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Speaker 1: season of his life, and so you would not be
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Speaker 1: able to provide that to Solomon. It would be a
18:29
Speaker 1: terrible thing for you and for him. And that, again,
18:32
Speaker 1: is entirely reasonable, and Mary seems to kind of come
18:36
Speaker 1: around to understanding that, but she also seems very invested
18:41
Speaker 1: in taking it personal as well.
18:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of it, she straight up says something like, well,
18:45
Speaker 2: you don't think I can handle it, And Cody and
18:47
Speaker 2: Robin are like, we're not saying you can't, Like we're
18:50
Speaker 2: saying that it's not good for Solomon. It's not about you,
18:53
Speaker 2: it's not about you, about the child exactly. And then Robin,
18:57
Speaker 2: to her credit, offers an alternative, and she's like, well,
19:01
Speaker 2: since Solomon can't go and I don't feel comfortable in
19:03
Speaker 2: him going, what about you take Brianna. She loves you,
19:06
Speaker 2: she's been on trips with you before. I know she
19:08
Speaker 2: would be super excited to go with you. Like, you
19:11
Speaker 2: can take Brianna and that's totally fine. And Mary at
19:14
Speaker 2: first was like, kind of I don't want to be mean,
19:17
Speaker 2: but she was kind of bitchy about it.
19:19
Speaker 1: She's like, it's fine.
19:20
Speaker 2: I guess I could just have to shift my plans
19:22
Speaker 2: because I was really excited about Solomon. And again, it's
19:25
Speaker 2: to your point of like her being kind of entitled,
19:27
Speaker 2: thinking that they would have just said yes to have
19:30
Speaker 2: her bring Solomon, and I'm just like, Mary.
19:32
Speaker 1: Chill, yeah, god, yeah, you should have planned for that
19:35
Speaker 1: a little bit.
19:36
Speaker 2: A little bit. And I'm not trying to like side
19:38
Speaker 2: with Cody and Robin because I was even watching this
19:40
Speaker 2: from that perspective of like, well, maybe it is a
19:43
Speaker 2: trust thing. Maybe they are kind of punishing Mary a
19:47
Speaker 2: little bit by not letting her take Solomon, But I
19:50
Speaker 2: don't know, I just felt like it was kind of
19:51
Speaker 2: a valid excuse.
19:54
Speaker 1: So like Mary, Mary definitely overreacted and slamming the door
19:57
Speaker 1: was wild.
19:58
Speaker 2: That is crazy. I'm like, how and you're gonna slam
20:01
Speaker 2: the door like a teenager. But anyway, ultimately Mary asks
20:05
Speaker 2: Brianna to come over or to come to Utah with her,
20:08
Speaker 2: and Brianna is like, hell, yeah, I get to miss
20:10
Speaker 2: school even better and it's gonna be fine. And then
20:13
Speaker 2: they head up to Utah and this is where things
20:17
Speaker 2: start getting interesting. But of course then we have to
20:20
Speaker 2: like segue back to Vegas and heading up to Billings,
20:24
Speaker 2: Montana to go look at wedding venues with Maddie and Kayla.
20:28
Speaker 1: Which I loved. So let me just recap it quickly, Yeah,
20:31
Speaker 1: so that we don't enrage you. But it was great,
20:34
Speaker 1: Like they went to see three different venues. It was
20:37
Speaker 1: Cody and Maddie and Janelle. Yeah, and the first venue
20:43
Speaker 1: was the place with the treehouses and it was really
20:46
Speaker 1: really pretteous and the outdoor tent with all the lights,
20:50
Speaker 1: it was just stupendous. I loved it. And then I
20:54
Speaker 1: remembered immediately, Oh, that's where they go. This is the
20:57
Speaker 1: venue that they think they actually get married, and so
20:59
Speaker 1: I already knew. And then they is the second place,
21:01
Speaker 1: which had a barn, and Maddie was really enamored with
21:04
Speaker 1: the idea of like everybody dancing in a barn, but
21:07
Speaker 1: the rest of it was straight booty. And then they
21:10
Speaker 1: went to the third place, which was like a faux
21:14
Speaker 1: general store or something, or like the park or something.
21:19
Speaker 1: It was a very odd venue and they didn't select it.
21:22
Speaker 1: They ultimately went with venue number one, which is available
21:26
Speaker 1: in short notice. So they have a wonderful place to
21:30
Speaker 1: get married. And now the conversations are going to be
21:33
Speaker 1: around getting a kadder and getting flowers and figuring all
21:38
Speaker 1: that stuff out in like the six months it's going
21:40
Speaker 1: to take before the nuptials.
21:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I will say the adults on the couch
21:45
Speaker 2: were kind of reflecting on why this is such a
21:47
Speaker 2: big deal to them, because Maddie is the first daughter
21:51
Speaker 2: and the first of the older og kids to get married,
21:54
Speaker 2: and so they're really excited about it, and they're trying
21:56
Speaker 2: to figure everything out like they've never done this before,
21:59
Speaker 2: they'd ever planned a wedding. Robin makes some kind of
22:02
Speaker 2: comment about how Christine and Janelle had to have secret
22:05
Speaker 2: weddings so they didn't get to plan anything. But of
22:08
Speaker 2: course Mary got to have a real wedding, and so
22:10
Speaker 2: did Robin, and so Christine and Janelle were the only
22:13
Speaker 2: ones really left out. And I think Janelle probably doesn't
22:16
Speaker 2: give a shit, but I know Christine did, because obviously
22:19
Speaker 2: we know she had a big wedding to David once
22:21
Speaker 2: she finally got rid of Cody. And then you know,
22:24
Speaker 2: we have to make it about Cody and Ari and
22:27
Speaker 2: how once Ari gets married at twenty five, you know,
22:30
Speaker 2: Cody's going to be in his seventies and he's going
22:33
Speaker 2: to have to go through a lot of weddings. And
22:34
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about how that comment totally aged like
22:38
Speaker 2: Milk because he's not really involved in any of his
22:41
Speaker 2: og kids' lives. So really, the only weddings he's going
22:44
Speaker 2: to see now are going to be Brianna's and Aurora
22:49
Speaker 2: and Ari. That's it. He's not going to be involved
22:51
Speaker 2: in anybody else's.
22:53
Speaker 1: Maybe I think Savannah would invite him. I think I
22:57
Speaker 1: think what's her name Isabelle would probably invite and you
23:02
Speaker 1: know Hunter would. I mean, I think there were some
23:04
Speaker 1: kids that would still invite Cody. But yeah, that did
23:08
Speaker 1: age terribly. It did.
23:09
Speaker 2: It's kind of sad.
23:10
Speaker 1: Actually, before we move on, and I think we're going
23:13
Speaker 1: to move into Mary, right, yep. I do just want
23:15
Speaker 1: to back up a little bit with Mary because through
23:18
Speaker 1: her talking heads to the camera when she was you know,
23:22
Speaker 1: talking to producers about how it felt like a rejection
23:25
Speaker 1: from Cody and Robin and how like she really wants
23:28
Speaker 1: to figure out where she fits in this family, and
23:31
Speaker 1: to her it is really just all about the kids.
23:35
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that because she said that
23:37
Speaker 1: a few times, like, for me, it's all about the kids.
23:40
Speaker 1: I want to make sure the kids are okay. It
23:43
Speaker 1: has always for me just been about the kids. And
23:46
Speaker 1: I'm just like, Mary, if you don't cut the shit
23:49
Speaker 1: this moment, because if it was all about the kids,
23:53
Speaker 1: you would have been around more in the last year.
23:56
Speaker 1: But no, when we see you in last season and
23:58
Speaker 1: part of this season, like you're in the background, you're
24:00
Speaker 1: on your fucking phone, you're taking phone calls, you're in
24:03
Speaker 1: your haunted house. You're not really integrated with the family.
24:07
Speaker 1: That was your choice. What about the kids, then, why
24:10
Speaker 1: weren't you showing up then. And also if you knew
24:13
Speaker 1: that by entering into this relationship with Sam slash Jackie,
24:17
Speaker 1: you would ultimately leave. Even though in this episode she's like,
24:21
Speaker 1: I never would have done that. Lean is so wrong.
24:24
Speaker 1: I just would not have done that. Yes, you would have.
24:27
Speaker 1: If you haven't heard the recordings of Mary calling who
24:30
Speaker 1: she thought was Sam, talking about how Sam is wonderful
24:34
Speaker 1: and how she loves Sam and Sam is hot, like
24:37
Speaker 1: Mary was in love with Sam. You absolutely intended to
24:41
Speaker 1: have a relationship with this person. You were just about
24:44
Speaker 1: to detonate the entire family and leave all of them.
24:48
Speaker 1: So please get off your fucking high horse about the
24:51
Speaker 1: kids and how it's all about the kids, and now
24:53
Speaker 1: you're painting trees, Like, can we be honest for a second.
24:56
Speaker 1: Does it really take two raccoons in a dumpster to
24:59
Speaker 1: be honest about what's really going on? Damn? Yes?
25:02
Speaker 2: Though, because even throughout this whole episode, every single talking
25:06
Speaker 2: head Mary has where she's recounting how she fucked up
25:09
Speaker 2: with the catfish, she doesn't call it a relationship. She
25:12
Speaker 2: keeps calling it a friendship, like deliberately. And I was targeted, Yes,
25:17
Speaker 2: I was targeted because I was vulnerable, and I was
25:20
Speaker 2: in a hard spot and I was taken advantage of.
25:22
Speaker 1: Like, girl, no, be really what happened?
25:25
Speaker 2: Be real? You had an emotional affair, I mean and
25:28
Speaker 2: kind of physical a little bit because you were sexting
25:30
Speaker 2: this dude, so like get outing.
25:32
Speaker 1: And everybody knows it though, yeah, at this time in
25:35
Speaker 1: the timeline twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, like it's been on
25:38
Speaker 1: the cover of US Weekly, of people, of all the mags,
25:42
Speaker 1: Like everybody knows what's happened. So many people have seen
25:44
Speaker 1: you with a banana in your mouth, everybody's heard the recording.
25:47
Speaker 1: So why you always lie it?
25:49
Speaker 2: For real? And like people would have more compassion for you,
25:53
Speaker 2: and people do have compassion for it and for her
25:56
Speaker 2: about your situation and like why you even thought to
25:59
Speaker 2: have this affair in the first place, But like, just
26:01
Speaker 2: fucking beyond it.
26:02
Speaker 1: I know it's not about the kids, Mary, If it
26:04
Speaker 1: was about the kids, you would have made different choices.
26:06
Speaker 1: And that's for damn sure facts.
26:09
Speaker 2: And so when we're in Utah, we have a couple
26:11
Speaker 2: of segments with Mary and Leon. The first segment is
26:14
Speaker 2: when they initially arrive in Utah, Mary and Brianna, I
26:17
Speaker 2: think They're at like her mom's house or something, and
26:20
Speaker 2: Leon and her mom are cooking in the kitchen. Mary
26:24
Speaker 2: and Brionna come in the living room and they immediately
26:26
Speaker 2: say hi to the dog. We have a comment from
26:28
Speaker 2: Leon that's like, why don't you say how to me
26:31
Speaker 2: first and not the fucking dog? Essentially, so Leon is
26:34
Speaker 2: already bitter man. Like you can tell, Leon is just angry,
26:39
Speaker 2: and it has been for a while. And I think
26:40
Speaker 2: a lot of that is justified because we know Leon
26:44
Speaker 2: was privy to a lot of these conversations that Mary
26:46
Speaker 2: was having with Sam slash Jackie and was exposed to
26:50
Speaker 2: probably too much of it, and had to keep a
26:52
Speaker 2: lot of the secrets, probably for the rest of the family.
26:55
Speaker 2: And so they are rightfully upset. And so Leon comes
26:59
Speaker 2: out of the kitchen, Hi to Mary. You can already
27:01
Speaker 2: feel attention. Mary sits down to have dinner with Leon
27:05
Speaker 2: and puts Brianna right in the middle of them. And
27:08
Speaker 2: I kind of feel bad for brion a little bit
27:10
Speaker 2: because instead of Solomon being the buffer, now it's Brianna
27:14
Speaker 2: being the buffer and it can't really be like that
27:17
Speaker 2: fun of a vacation.
27:18
Speaker 1: Well a slight correction there, Mary sits down with her
27:22
Speaker 1: food on the couch and Leon enters and Mary says,
27:27
Speaker 1: sit close to me. Mary invites Leon to sit close. Yeah,
27:31
Speaker 1: sits away from Mary. Then Brionna comes in, and Brionna
27:34
Speaker 1: sits in the middle of the two. But I think
27:37
Speaker 1: Mary was hoping that in that moment they could sit
27:40
Speaker 1: together and talk. But you could tell body language forced space.
27:45
Speaker 2: Leon doesn't want it.
27:45
Speaker 1: Leon ain't into it, and I do.
27:48
Speaker 2: I will say I do feel for Mary in that
27:50
Speaker 2: because I can understand how painful it would be, especially
27:53
Speaker 2: with Leon being their only child, to have this distance
27:56
Speaker 2: between the two of them. I totally get it. And
27:58
Speaker 2: it sucks that out of everything that Mary has gone
28:02
Speaker 2: through this last year or whatever with the catfish, now
28:05
Speaker 2: she doesn't even have a relationship with her kid, and
28:08
Speaker 2: that does suck. I do get it. I think that
28:10
Speaker 2: Mary is coming over here in earnest. I don't even
28:12
Speaker 2: think she's like coming over there to be mad at
28:16
Speaker 2: Leon for Leon's reaction or anything. I think for the
28:19
Speaker 2: most part, Mary is pretty understanding of Leon being frustrated
28:23
Speaker 2: at her. She just wants to talk about it, and
28:25
Speaker 2: she just wants to work.
28:26
Speaker 1: It okay, So flag on the play there. Yeah, because
28:30
Speaker 1: if I knew there was this huge thing that was
28:35
Speaker 1: between me and my child that I had caused, and
28:40
Speaker 1: I was also on a show that millions of people watched,
28:45
Speaker 1: I would not want to have a conversation like that
28:48
Speaker 1: on camera.
28:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh for sure.
28:50
Speaker 1: For me, it felt like Leon and Mary have not
28:53
Speaker 1: had the very important conversation, and so Mary's now taking
28:56
Speaker 1: the cameras up to Utah to have some semblance of
29:00
Speaker 1: conversation in front of the nation. Of course Leon is
29:04
Speaker 1: going to think that is awkward. Of course Leon's going
29:07
Speaker 1: to question that. I question that, why are you doing that? Mary?
29:10
Speaker 1: Why aren't you trying to have private conversations with your
29:13
Speaker 1: child instead of on camera? Is what we're doing in Utah. Therefore,
29:18
Speaker 1: you attempting to rehab your public image and using Leon
29:23
Speaker 1: to do that. Maybe, and Leon, being the smart mofo
29:27
Speaker 1: that they are, Leon's going to know that. Lean I's
29:30
Speaker 1: gonna sniff that right out, and Leon's not going to
29:32
Speaker 1: want to do that. So I just I was questioning
29:35
Speaker 1: what Mary was actually doing in Utah here.
29:37
Speaker 2: That's a fair point, actually, and I didn't even really
29:40
Speaker 2: think about it with the camera angle on that, But yeah,
29:43
Speaker 2: why are you having this intimate conversation with your child
29:46
Speaker 2: who is very obviously upset and hurt by your actions
29:50
Speaker 2: and by the way that this has gone down in
29:53
Speaker 2: the public eye and at home probably, And now you're
29:56
Speaker 2: going to try and have a conversation with them when
29:58
Speaker 2: they very obviously don't want to talk about it. And
30:00
Speaker 2: Leon even says in this episode that they haven't had
30:03
Speaker 2: a decent conversation with Mary in like over a year
30:06
Speaker 2: at this point, right, which means that like they aren't
30:09
Speaker 2: really talking. It's probably very surface levels, small talk shit.
30:12
Speaker 2: They haven't talked about any of the issues, probably any
30:16
Speaker 2: of the catfish stuff. Maybe Leon has probably blown up
30:19
Speaker 2: at Mary for it and then maybe put down their
30:23
Speaker 2: own walls, like walls of doctors, right, And it probably
30:27
Speaker 2: helps that Leon is up in Utah and has some
30:30
Speaker 2: distance from Mary.
30:31
Speaker 1: Well, and when you look at the timeline, I think
30:34
Speaker 1: the way that Mary's referring to it is that it
30:37
Speaker 1: happened in the summertime. Yeah, and Mary's going up to
30:40
Speaker 1: Utah and what's obviously the winter because there's snow on
30:43
Speaker 1: the ground. I'm not sure exactly what month Mary's there,
30:46
Speaker 1: but it's only been like six months or so, and
30:49
Speaker 1: so of course Leon is still in their reaction.
30:52
Speaker 2: To it totally. And for Leon, it's been going on
30:55
Speaker 2: a lot longer because they were listening to all of
30:57
Speaker 2: these conversations, and Leon.
30:59
Speaker 1: Really listening to all the conversations.
31:01
Speaker 2: Well, we hear that from Leon. We hear that from
31:04
Speaker 2: Mary as well in this episode that Leon said to
31:07
Speaker 2: Mary from the very beginning, when Mary was making this
31:10
Speaker 2: friendship and having this relationship, Leon told Mary, don't do it.
31:15
Speaker 2: I told you from the very beginning, don't have this
31:17
Speaker 2: relationship with this person, and yet you still did it.
31:20
Speaker 2: You didn't care about my feelings, you didn't care about
31:22
Speaker 2: anybody else's feelings, and you disregarded my opinion on the
31:25
Speaker 2: whole thing, and you betrayed my trust. And so that's
31:27
Speaker 2: where Leon's coming from. Mary does acknowledge in this episode
31:32
Speaker 2: that she thought she was protecting Leon from this situation.
31:37
Speaker 1: She thought, how, I don't know by what second on
31:41
Speaker 1: a banana at our tub and drunk, calling him at
31:44
Speaker 1: two in the morning and telling him that you love him.
31:46
Speaker 1: How are you protecting Leon?
31:48
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like maybe because your bedroom door was closed,
31:51
Speaker 2: you thought that Leon couldn't tell what was going on.
31:53
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know. But Mary says, according to Mary
31:57
Speaker 2: that she thought she was protecting them, she thought that
32:00
Speaker 2: she was keeping Leon from this situation, but she very
32:04
Speaker 2: honestly didn't. And Mary does, in her own way, acknowledge
32:09
Speaker 2: that she hurt Leon, and she really just wants to
32:13
Speaker 2: talk to Leon about it and try and work on it.
32:16
Speaker 2: But like, to your point, why on camera, h why
32:19
Speaker 2: in the middle of the winter, why are you taking
32:20
Speaker 2: Leon on a walk with their dog with snow on
32:23
Speaker 2: the ground and sitting on some fucking concrete slab of
32:26
Speaker 2: like a public bathroom or something in a park, right,
32:29
Speaker 2: and trying to have this conversation with them very poorly,
32:32
Speaker 2: I might add.
32:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's another thing. So they go on this
32:37
Speaker 1: walk with mose By the little dog and key stuff,
32:41
Speaker 1: and they sit in this concrete stage in the middle
32:44
Speaker 1: of fucking nowhere in the hinterlands of Siberia. It looks
32:48
Speaker 1: so cold, and Mary tries to initiate the conversation like, oh,
32:54
Speaker 1: how have you been house school? Yeah, like like just
32:58
Speaker 1: dancing around the that is in the middle of them,
33:02
Speaker 1: and she never just comes right out and says, hey,
33:06
Speaker 1: I would really love to talk with you. And if
33:09
Speaker 1: you don't want to talk, that's okay, But can I
33:12
Speaker 1: just say a few things to you. She doesn't open
33:15
Speaker 1: it like a mature mom would, a mature mom who
33:20
Speaker 1: knows they fucked up. Yeah, and they know their kid
33:25
Speaker 1: knows that they fucked up. I just didn't under it.
33:28
Speaker 1: Was a mystery to me how she handled that, because
33:32
Speaker 1: it really did feel like she was hoping Leon would
33:35
Speaker 1: lead the conversation. Yeah, like Leon would enter the chat
33:39
Speaker 1: and ask a bunch of questions that Mary could then
33:42
Speaker 1: feel and that would be the conversation. It's like she
33:44
Speaker 1: didn't plan. No, she didn't think about the things that
33:47
Speaker 1: she was going to be saying to the person who
33:50
Speaker 1: is the most important person in her entire life. It
33:54
Speaker 1: was such weird business to me, Beatrice, I didn't understand it.
33:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. Leon straight up calls it out in this episode,
34:00
Speaker 2: saying like, it's like mom wants me to do the work,
34:04
Speaker 2: Like Mom hurt my feelings and now she expects me
34:07
Speaker 2: to fix it, Like I'm not gonna fucking fix it.
34:10
Speaker 2: And Leon straight up cries to the camera and says like,
34:13
Speaker 2: you know, I know that my mom wants my forgiveness.
34:15
Speaker 2: I know that my mom wants me to try and understand,
34:18
Speaker 2: but like, I'm straight up not in a place to
34:21
Speaker 2: forgive her at this moment, and I don't want to
34:23
Speaker 2: talk about it. Like I've got a lot of feelings.
34:26
Speaker 2: I'm really upset by it, and I got to work
34:28
Speaker 2: on that within myself. And that's what I appreciated about
34:31
Speaker 2: Leon in this episode was Leon said that over and
34:34
Speaker 2: over again and even said it to Mary of like, look,
34:37
Speaker 2: it's not even a you issue, it's me. I want
34:39
Speaker 2: to be able to talk about it with you without
34:41
Speaker 2: getting so upset. And I'm really not at a place
34:44
Speaker 2: where I can do that right now, Like I just
34:46
Speaker 2: can't cause I'm fucking pissed off at you, bitch, right
34:49
Speaker 2: and I.
34:49
Speaker 1: Know I'm about to pop off. Yeah, And I don't
34:52
Speaker 1: want to hurt you, because no matter what's happened, I
34:55
Speaker 1: still love you, Mom, and I appreciate it Leon did
34:58
Speaker 1: go out of their way to say that. Yeah, that
35:01
Speaker 1: was a real tough conversation. I really really felt for
35:05
Speaker 1: Leon in that moment. And then when everybody was in
35:10
Speaker 1: the Lehigh House, which happened before the talk, Mary sends
35:15
Speaker 1: Leon into their old room and Leon goes in and
35:20
Speaker 1: is looking around and it's just like the memories of
35:22
Speaker 1: that place and the idyllic family structure that Leon thought
35:27
Speaker 1: that they had. And then we have some really interesting
35:30
Speaker 1: interstitials from Leon where they're talking about how their faith
35:34
Speaker 1: has entirely changed. I really wish they talked about that
35:38
Speaker 1: a little bit more, because as we all remember, we
35:41
Speaker 1: remember when Leon was like the biggest proponent for polygamy
35:46
Speaker 1: and was always talking about how they wanted to be
35:48
Speaker 1: in a polygamous relationship and they didn't know which spouse
35:54
Speaker 1: they wanted to be, like one, two, or three, and
35:57
Speaker 1: they had all of these designs to stay in the faith. Well,
36:01
Speaker 1: then Leon went to school, and Leon's like, I got educated.
36:06
Speaker 1: I learned actual things that you learn at a real school.
36:10
Speaker 1: And so I began to question a lot of the
36:13
Speaker 1: things that I'd been told and I just don't believe
36:16
Speaker 1: the same way anymore. And I was like, awesome, I
36:18
Speaker 1: love this. Do you construct on TLC? But also can
36:23
Speaker 1: we go into that a little bit more. And of
36:25
Speaker 1: course I'm sitting there always wondering, waving my little flag
36:29
Speaker 1: over here, like, oh, have you had your first yeah experience?
36:34
Speaker 1: The answer is yes, have you had your first gay experience?
36:37
Speaker 1: I want to hear all about that of course I'm
36:39
Speaker 1: not entitled to that information, but I was wondering.
36:42
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Leon comes out in like the next
36:44
Speaker 2: season or two, yeah, because it's pretty quick, and it
36:47
Speaker 2: was kind of right after they went to college. And
36:50
Speaker 2: I did appreciate their reflection on that, Like they did
36:53
Speaker 2: say they moved up to Utah specifically for that reason
36:56
Speaker 2: to be closer to their church and to be a
36:58
Speaker 2: part of their community that they had grown up because
37:00
Speaker 2: they did idolize it at one point, and then Leon
37:04
Speaker 2: straight up is like, I don't believe none of that
37:05
Speaker 2: shit no more. And I'm like, okay, cool. And that
37:08
Speaker 2: also speaks to Leon's frame of mind in this moment too,
37:12
Speaker 2: because they are deconstructing all of this shit that they
37:15
Speaker 2: grew up with, they are also having to grapple with
37:18
Speaker 2: the idea that their family is not the same family
37:21
Speaker 2: that they grew up with and that things have definitely
37:23
Speaker 2: changed and shifted. They're in the house that they they
37:27
Speaker 2: didn't really grow up there. I thought that they had
37:28
Speaker 2: lived there for a really long time, but apparently they
37:30
Speaker 2: were only there for a couple of years. But like
37:33
Speaker 2: all of those memories are coming up, Leon says something
37:35
Speaker 2: like this was the biggest room that I ever had,
37:37
Speaker 2: and it was like the best room. And I felt
37:39
Speaker 2: that as like a kid who moved around a lot,
37:41
Speaker 2: like you know, you do kind of hold onto those
37:44
Speaker 2: like specific moments in your life of like, oh, this
37:47
Speaker 2: was like a really nice time, and so revisiting that
37:52
Speaker 2: with this estrangement between their mom, like, that's so much
37:57
Speaker 2: to carry inside. And so I respect the fact that
38:01
Speaker 2: Leon just doesn't really want to have this conversation with
38:03
Speaker 2: Mary right now because they don't know how they feel
38:06
Speaker 2: and they're totally entitled to be upset and to be
38:09
Speaker 2: frustrated with Mary and to have their feelings hurt whatever.
38:14
Speaker 2: I did feel for Mary in the sense that it
38:17
Speaker 2: seemed like, at least on camera, Mary was trying to
38:21
Speaker 2: be a mom of like I just want to be there.
38:23
Speaker 2: I want to talk it out with you, and I
38:25
Speaker 2: want to work this out because I love you and
38:26
Speaker 2: I miss you. And Mary says that a couple times
38:29
Speaker 2: throughout this episode, of like I just want Leon to
38:32
Speaker 2: come back to me a little bit. And I really
38:34
Speaker 2: did feel for Mary and that I did, and I
38:36
Speaker 2: understand that that's really painful and stuff, but like that's
38:39
Speaker 2: one of the hardest things I think that any parent
38:42
Speaker 2: or child has to go through in their life, Like
38:44
Speaker 2: when you get hurt by a parent, it's like one
38:46
Speaker 2: of those really crazy experiences because you feel so much.
38:50
Speaker 2: And I know, this is a kid who was hurt
38:52
Speaker 2: by my parents, and I was in therapy for a
38:54
Speaker 2: really long time, and I was really fucking angry at
38:58
Speaker 2: my parents for a really long time, like for many years,
39:00
Speaker 2: to the point where I wasn't talking to them and
39:02
Speaker 2: I was really distant. And I look back on that
39:05
Speaker 2: now with a different perspective of like, man, I've probably
39:07
Speaker 2: really heard my parents' feelings from being really distant from them.
39:11
Speaker 2: But I needed that time to figure my shit out.
39:15
Speaker 2: And I think Leon needs their time right now to
39:17
Speaker 2: figure their shit out, because they're very obviously mad at Mary,
39:21
Speaker 2: and it is what it is.
39:23
Speaker 1: Well, But then there was the petty part of me
39:26
Speaker 1: that was listening to Leon talk about how they're an adult.
39:31
Speaker 1: I'm twenty one years old now, and every time I
39:34
Speaker 1: go home, you know, Mary doesn't let me be an adult,
39:39
Speaker 1: just trying to baby me all the time, and I'm
39:42
Speaker 1: an adult now. There's just that petulant part of Leon,
39:46
Speaker 1: that entitled part of Leon, and I just kind of
39:49
Speaker 1: wanted to raise my hand a little and say, you're
39:51
Speaker 1: twenty one years old. Who's paying for your car, who's
39:54
Speaker 1: paying for your education, who's paying for all of your
39:58
Speaker 1: side things? I mean, maybe you have a I don't know,
40:00
Speaker 1: but isn't it Mary. I don't think it's Cody. I
40:03
Speaker 1: don't think it's Robin and any of your other moms.
40:08
Speaker 1: I think it's Mary. And irrespective of the fact that
40:11
Speaker 1: Mary did a really bad thing that was completely out
40:14
Speaker 1: of integrity, if you are an adult, you should be
40:17
Speaker 1: able to appreciate the fact that Mary is completely subsidizing
40:20
Speaker 1: your entire life. And then I started thinking through the timeline,
40:23
Speaker 1: because again, this is the season I actually started watching
40:26
Speaker 1: Sister Wives, and I'm trying to remember a moment where
40:30
Speaker 1: Leon comes back around and says, you know what, Mom,
40:34
Speaker 1: I was really pissed back then, and I feel like
40:37
Speaker 1: I have every right to be. But the reality was
40:40
Speaker 1: you were an estrange wife. My father was neglecting you,
40:45
Speaker 1: you were not loved, and there was so much that
40:48
Speaker 1: you were going through that I couldn't fully grasp because
40:51
Speaker 1: I was in a cult, you know, and I was
40:53
Speaker 1: in this family structure that I thought was perfectly normal,
40:55
Speaker 1: and I couldn't really see you for the woman that
40:57
Speaker 1: you are, and so I just really want to tell
40:59
Speaker 1: you that it's all good. I forgive you, I love you.
41:03
Speaker 1: I understand why this happened to you, and I feel
41:06
Speaker 1: really bad that it did. I just I don't recall
41:09
Speaker 1: a conversation where they fully let Mary off the hook,
41:14
Speaker 1: and I really wish they would. I think Mary deserves it.
41:18
Speaker 2: I think that if you're going to portray yourself as
41:20
Speaker 2: this fully enlightened being, like you're better than everybody else
41:23
Speaker 2: and you're so mature or whatever, then you should have
41:26
Speaker 2: that conversation with your parent. But at the same time,
41:29
Speaker 2: I don't really feel like Mary is entitled to that,
41:31
Speaker 2: because it's not Leon's responsibility right to like validate Mary's
41:35
Speaker 2: experience that way, Like you can have empathy for your
41:38
Speaker 2: parent as a human being that is flawed and as
41:41
Speaker 2: their own lore and has their own story and as
41:44
Speaker 2: a person that fucks up, but it's also not Leon's
41:47
Speaker 2: responsibility to like give that to Mary. But I do
41:50
Speaker 2: think that because Leon portrays themselves as this super enlightened
41:55
Speaker 2: being that knows better than everybody and has the correct
41:58
Speaker 2: perspective on everything, Yeah, you should can have that kind
42:00
Speaker 2: of compassion.
42:01
Speaker 1: Oh my god, sidebar. Has anybody seen I think it's
42:06
Speaker 1: is it Leon's substack or is it? Yeah, Leon's patreon?
42:11
Speaker 2: Which one? The patreon is where they do their little
42:13
Speaker 2: Yogi meditations.
42:15
Speaker 1: Leon's a yogi now, yeah, conducting meditation.
42:19
Speaker 2: I hate that, dude.
42:21
Speaker 1: They're helping the population ascend to another dimension where everybody's like, Leon,
42:28
Speaker 1: I'll stay right here, thank you. Oh yeah, right here,
42:31
Speaker 1: thank you.
42:32
Speaker 2: But I mean the apple doesn't fall far from the
42:34
Speaker 2: tree because Mary hashtag worthy of. And also Mary said
42:38
Speaker 2: a comment in this episode when they were at the
42:40
Speaker 2: Lehigh House saying that this was where she started her
42:42
Speaker 2: self improvement journey and I'm like, really.
42:44
Speaker 1: Where's my mon? Where's my raccoon? Monels? Where did you
42:47
Speaker 1: start that journey? Where? Like self improvement?
42:51
Speaker 2: How? And she also said that this was when she
42:54
Speaker 2: started going back to college when Leon was twelve, And
42:57
Speaker 2: I'm like, didn't you have a conversation in I guess
43:00
Speaker 2: about how you wanted to go back to school? So
43:01
Speaker 2: you started college, got some student debt, and then dropped
43:04
Speaker 2: out and stopped going.
43:06
Speaker 1: Girl, I don't know, it's like the time I may
43:08
Speaker 1: clarify anything we should read their first book. We should,
43:12
Speaker 1: we still haven't. We had read over there, we still
43:14
Speaker 1: haven't read it. But maybe maybe it explains it, but
43:17
Speaker 1: I don't know, honey.
43:17
Speaker 2: Maybe we should read it for Patreon. Honestly, we really
43:20
Speaker 2: should do a bit club for it.
43:21
Speaker 1: But we're actually we dive deep when we read books.
43:23
Speaker 1: And you know, the next book we're going to do, though,
43:25
Speaker 1: is Falling Goslin's Yes, I can't wait. Is it in
43:28
Speaker 1: the Shadow of eight?
43:29
Speaker 2: I think it? Yeah, And it's coming out in an October,
43:31
Speaker 2: right October, bitch.
43:33
Speaker 1: I saw it in a free order on my Kindle
43:36
Speaker 1: and I was like, should I? I don't know.
43:38
Speaker 2: You could buy it?
43:38
Speaker 1: I could buy it. I shouldn't. It's a business. It's
43:41
Speaker 1: a business, that's right. That's the next book we're going
43:46
Speaker 1: to do for sure.
43:47
Speaker 2: Facts But yeah, So anyway, this conversation leaves off with
43:51
Speaker 2: Leon telling Mary that they love them and that they
43:54
Speaker 2: don't want Mary to think that they don't love them,
43:57
Speaker 2: and Leon does apologize for their eyebrow comment because earlier
44:01
Speaker 2: in the episode we didn't really touch on it, but
44:03
Speaker 2: Leon had said something really mean to Mary, saying, you know,
44:06
Speaker 2: why do you always draw your eyebrows so fucking thin,
44:09
Speaker 2: like they're they're really weird, and I just felt like
44:12
Speaker 2: that was so.
44:13
Speaker 1: Entirely just fell silent, and Rianna said something like, that's
44:18
Speaker 1: a mean question.
44:19
Speaker 2: That's so mean, and it's so like juvenile, Like that's
44:22
Speaker 2: the kind of shit that I said to my mom
44:24
Speaker 2: when I was like going through my first period at
44:26
Speaker 2: fourteen years old.
44:27
Speaker 1: Sometimes Leon h hit and that's just a fact, Like.
44:30
Speaker 2: Leon, you're twenty one and you're gonna make a comment
44:32
Speaker 2: like that, Like, okay, but this is the enlightened Leon Brown, right.
44:37
Speaker 2: I will say, for the most part, I did empathize
44:39
Speaker 2: with them for this episode. I understand that they're frustrated,
44:43
Speaker 2: and I understand it's a difficult spot to be because
44:45
Speaker 2: Leon does say throughout the episode that they understand that
44:49
Speaker 2: Mary really does want to work on things with them.
44:51
Speaker 2: Leon's just not ready and that's fair and that's valid.
44:55
Speaker 1: Seevesplea is it very big? It's a cee Julie's cony. See.
45:06
Speaker 2: So then we get to the preview for next week's
45:08
Speaker 2: episode and it looks like it's gonna be boring as fuck.
45:10
Speaker 1: After this one, didn't I say, They'll give you a
45:12
Speaker 1: good one. And then they'll give you a filler episode,
45:15
Speaker 1: and then maybe a couple of decent ones and then
45:17
Speaker 1: a filler episode.
45:19
Speaker 2: It's literally next week's gonna be such a filler episode.
45:21
Speaker 2: So we're gonna have like a five minute recap because
45:23
Speaker 2: it's about Maddy going to her wedding dress fitting and
45:26
Speaker 2: everybody cries, and then Robin giving birth to Ari and
45:30
Speaker 2: Cony and Cody telling her to breathe, and Robin's like,
45:37
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up.
45:38
Speaker 1: You're not breathing. Someone doesn't get this man out of
45:42
Speaker 1: this room, so woll's go die today.
45:44
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about that as somebody who
45:46
Speaker 2: has given birth, because I don't have any experience with that.
45:49
Speaker 2: Did your husband at the time tell you dumb shit
45:51
Speaker 2: like that, like just breathe, honey.
45:53
Speaker 1: No, okay, I didn't go to Lama's or anything like that. Yeah,
45:58
Speaker 1: I was fully planning to get all the drugs. Yeah,
46:01
Speaker 1: I was fully planning to get the epidural, but that
46:05
Speaker 1: was botched and I didn't get the epidural, so I
46:07
Speaker 1: had to have like a natural birth, but I took
46:09
Speaker 1: it a little what I said. Oh, yeah, I did
46:13
Speaker 1: have a natural birth, but I had some drugs for
46:15
Speaker 1: a period of time. No, he was very good that
46:18
Speaker 1: he stayed here at my shoulder so he didn't see
46:21
Speaker 1: what was going on.
46:22
Speaker 2: Because he didn't want to.
46:24
Speaker 1: We're going to keep this from s no way. So No,
46:29
Speaker 1: he was really good. That's good.
46:31
Speaker 2: I've been seeing so many like reels and stuff lately
46:33
Speaker 2: of these like bitch ass gen z husbands who like
46:36
Speaker 2: bring their xboxes to the labor and delivery room and
46:39
Speaker 2: they're just like playing video gathering pizzas, ordering pizza, and
46:42
Speaker 2: then falling asleep after their wife gives birth. And I'm
46:45
Speaker 2: just like, the way.
46:48
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the nurses, the labor and delivery nurses
46:51
Speaker 1: just probably in a total rage that they can't actually express.
46:55
Speaker 2: I just cared, and apparently it's so common nowadays.
46:58
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, women, why are you tolerant that
47:00
Speaker 1: I don't stand up? God? Stand up? Every single man
47:04
Speaker 1: I've ever been married to me has been a little
47:07
Speaker 1: afraid of me, and rightly so it would none of
47:10
Speaker 1: those tricks that'll be so anyway, that's it. Yeah, good
47:16
Speaker 1: episode though. Yeah, I got a lot out of it
47:19
Speaker 1: that I needed to get. Is there anything else that
47:23
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47:24
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47:30
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47:32
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47:35
Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna stop this now so that we'll just
47:37
Speaker 1: keep it into like a sacred Sister Wives bubble.
47:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
47:40
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna have another video in which we
47:42
Speaker 1: talk about some of the things we're geeking out about
47:44
Speaker 1: and or just that we want to discuss. That'll be
47:47
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47:52
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47:55
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm