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Ashley Martson - Behind The Scenes Of Reality TV Stars & The Fastest Marriage EVER · Cats & Pudding with Jennifer Dilandro

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: But you guys were married for how long before the
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: cheating started?
• 0:04
  Speaker 2: Three days until I found out?
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  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Okay, this is the Cats in Footing podcast,
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  Speaker 3: a melting pot and now here's Jim.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome to today's episode of Pats and Pudding.
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  Speaker 4: And I have a great guest today, my friend Ashley Martinson.
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  Speaker 1: Well should we call you Smith so people know who you.
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  Speaker 4: Are from the show it's on Martin Now, okay, Well,
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  Speaker 4: she was a Smith and she was on a very
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  Speaker 4: very big show that I know all everybody knows in
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  Speaker 4: love and it's called ninety eight Beyonce site. But she's
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  Speaker 4: not on the show anymore. But we're going to talk
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  Speaker 4: about all that today. And welcome to you, my dear friend.
• 0:45
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad you're here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad to be here.
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  Speaker 4: You came all the way up from Pennsylvania to see me.
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  Speaker 4: She's wonderful. Five hour trip.
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  Speaker 2: Battled the city, Yeah, took a wrong turn. That was fun.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: You got you got caught right.
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  Speaker 4: Oh god, but you you used to do that all
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  Speaker 4: the time. You used to get caught in the wrong turn.
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  Speaker 4: You always wound up in Manhattan. But usually you would
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  Speaker 4: stop and not wind up at the house.
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  Speaker 2: You would get get the ships over it, and just park.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I did, and she never she didn't understand
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  Speaker 4: the parking rules of New York City.
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  Speaker 1: But that's okay. That's because you could.
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  Speaker 4: Talk anywhere pretty much in Pennsylvania, right right right, you
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  Speaker 4: just pull in.
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  Speaker 1: See, that's like the best way to live is Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know there's nothing to the other true,
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  Speaker 4: that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what's going on in your life now?
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  Speaker 4: So tell tell everybody all about you, how your how
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  Speaker 4: you started, your your quests, of your.
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  Speaker 1: Fame and your notoriety.
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  Speaker 5: I guess that's what you want to we want to know.
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  Speaker 5: So I started dating some guy from Jamaica. I was
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  Speaker 5: going through a quarter life crisis at the time.
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  Speaker 1: But what kind of life crisis where you go?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what I was going through, Okay, But
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  Speaker 5: I ended up bringing him over here on a fiance visa,
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  Speaker 5: and then he cheated on me right away. So we
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  Speaker 5: got married but then separated pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 1: But you guys were married for how long before the
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  Speaker 1: cheating started?
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  Speaker 2: Three days until I found out?
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  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, okay, so wait a minute, okay, So
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  Speaker 4: you know what I never I mean, I remember you
• 2:26
  Speaker 4: telling me how you met Jai, but how did you
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  Speaker 4: had this actually transport?
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  Speaker 1: You guys were on vacation and you met him.
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  Speaker 5: I was on vacation with a bunch of girls and
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  Speaker 5: my one friend started dating a guy from this was
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  Speaker 5: a Jamaica.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so he Jay was from Jamaica. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The girl on the episode, Natalie, she was dating a
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  Speaker 5: guy named Rushane, and I went back and forth with
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  Speaker 5: her a few times, and then I met Jay because
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  Speaker 5: Natalie and her Jamaican boyfriend got matching tattoos, so we
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  Speaker 5: went to g shop to get them.
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  Speaker 4: And he's a tattoo artist, so he and he was
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  Speaker 4: obviously living in Jamaica at the time, So you met him,
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  Speaker 4: and did he know who you were before you met him?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that it was like did you have
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  Speaker 4: any Inkland that you'd be on the show before that?
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  Speaker 2: No? No, no. That The funny thing about it is
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  Speaker 2: to day I was flying out.
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  Speaker 5: I was bartending at that time because I was in college,
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  Speaker 5: and I was watching like. I worked till two am
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  Speaker 5: and our flight left at six, so I had to
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  Speaker 5: leave my house at four, so I was just like
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  Speaker 5: keeping myself awake till we had to leave from the
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  Speaker 5: airport instead of going to bed, and I was watching
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  Speaker 5: the show.
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  Speaker 2: That was the first time I ever saw it.
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  Speaker 4: And now, how did you How did you guys get
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  Speaker 4: on from through your friends or did they contact you?
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  Speaker 5: I'm an immigration group because I was getting ready to
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  Speaker 5: fly over there for his interview and I asked a
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  Speaker 5: question and like right away I got a message from
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  Speaker 5: the producers, so they wanted to talk to me.
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  Speaker 4: So they've they reached out to you because I always
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  Speaker 4: wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: They do they.
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  Speaker 4: Scout the groups of people who are bringing people over
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  Speaker 4: to to see who they would want to be on
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  Speaker 4: the show.
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  Speaker 1: So how do they scout the groups? They just they
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  Speaker 1: did that.
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  Speaker 4: But so is it like a group that's on like
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  Speaker 4: it's like an open page where anybody could see what
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about?
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  Speaker 5: Just about it was just about fiance Visa's and I
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  Speaker 5: was just asking questions about the interview process because we
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  Speaker 5: were getting ready to go through it, and they saw
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  Speaker 5: my post and immediately message.
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  Speaker 4: So they have these different groups, So what kind of
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  Speaker 4: like so they they they go on these websites to
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  Speaker 4: scour it. Okay, but is it is this specifically for
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  Speaker 4: the show or not?
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  Speaker 1: Other people just this is just a group that that's no,
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  Speaker 1: it's just.
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  Speaker 2: A producers for the show and the scouters trying to
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  Speaker 2: find people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's how I think. Now, because the show
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  Speaker 5: is so big, I'm sure tons of people apply, but
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  Speaker 5: I think that's how they looked for their people.
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  Speaker 1: In the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because you were on it pretty early in the
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  Speaker 4: in the in the whole yeah yeah, yeah, and you
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  Speaker 4: guys want for what three years?
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  Speaker 2: Two?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 4: How Now, so when you met Jay, so you said
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  Speaker 4: that he because you had a very tumultuous relationship. We
• 4:58
  Speaker 4: spent a whole summer and you felt like I was
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  Speaker 4: giving you thuropy that whole summer. So he so you knew,
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  Speaker 4: you knew he was kind of a cheater before you
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  Speaker 4: even you already married and.
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  Speaker 1: He was already cheating on you. Did you guys get
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  Speaker 1: married in Jamaica.
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  Speaker 2: No, So that's why, like everyone thinks, yeah, I never
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  Speaker 2: could think.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, you meet someone and you get engaged after ninety days,
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  Speaker 5: that's not the case.
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  Speaker 2: It takes a year to two years to get a visa, so.
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  Speaker 5: You have to be dating that whole time, and then
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  Speaker 5: once you get approved of the visa, you have once
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  Speaker 5: they come to America ninety days to decide if it's
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  Speaker 5: going to work out or if they should go back.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so you were dating him for that for
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  Speaker 4: two years before a year and a half. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: you had.
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  Speaker 1: Already brought you already brought him here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I brought him here and we got married like right
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  Speaker 5: at the end of the ninety days. And then ninety
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  Speaker 5: three days I found out that he was like, so
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  Speaker 5: he was still to me before he was going to
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  Speaker 5: the gym late at night.
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  Speaker 1: This was in America, Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Like as soon as he came over, so.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was downloaded Tinder and he was like going
• 6:00
  Speaker 5: to the gym at ten and eleven o'clock at night,
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  Speaker 5: meeting like eighteen seventeen year old girls.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you didn't like think anything was wrong that
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  Speaker 4: he kept going to the gym that late at night.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was going to the gym.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's so funny that he just came over
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  Speaker 1: here and started doing it like he already knew. See.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of these guys are predators,
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  Speaker 4: and they know that they're going to meet somebody and
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  Speaker 4: then come over. I mean, I listen, I always liked
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  Speaker 4: j I thought Jay was a nice guy.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought he was too young. I think that
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  Speaker 1: that was the problem.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he wasn't like a lot of them over there.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm gonna get a lot of hate for saying this.
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  Speaker 5: They're like, they think America's the dream and like do
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  Speaker 5: whatever you can to get over there, and that's what
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  Speaker 5: they do.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, too many people it is the dream
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  Speaker 4: because of what they have in other countries to come out.
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  Speaker 4: But unfortunately when you step off, when you step off
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  Speaker 4: all across the border or step off the plane, it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: always happen that way. I mean, people don't realize that
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  Speaker 4: you have to work to have this country reward it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to just get candid to you like that.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: They think it's like as soon as they get off,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to become a millionaire that second, Oh they're
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  Speaker 4: going to be They're going to have this the best
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  Speaker 4: job and be rich in two minutes. It doesn't work
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  Speaker 4: that way.
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  Speaker 5: Right, which he figured out pretty quickly. So they can't
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  Speaker 5: work for nine months when they come over.
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  Speaker 4: So how was that that you had to So how
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  Speaker 4: was that after you found out he cheated? And then
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  Speaker 4: now you have to be the breadwinner taking care of
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  Speaker 4: him basically. And so so where did he go when
• 7:22
  Speaker 4: you kicked him out?
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  Speaker 5: At that time, he was like in doing an internship
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  Speaker 5: at a tattoo shop, So he went with the owner
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  Speaker 5: of the tattoo shop.
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  Speaker 4: So the end, this was like right after he came
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  Speaker 4: here when you guys got married.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then he got his own apartment and then
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  Speaker 5: we got back together. Just totally stupid and then so yeah,
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  Speaker 5: long story short.
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  Speaker 4: And this was going on, This was going on on
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  Speaker 4: the show, this whole this whole episode played out, this
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  Speaker 4: whole trauma played out on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Now, when I.
• 7:49
  Speaker 4: Met you, I think you were this was probably about
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  Speaker 4: two That was the twenty eighteen would say that when
• 7:55
  Speaker 4: we met each other, we know each other now.
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  Speaker 2: For a while.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so when because when I met you, you guys
• 8:00
  Speaker 4: were in a pretty good place at that point.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you guys were living together. You know, he
• 8:10
  Speaker 4: was living with you. You do have you have children. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he seemed to get along with your children, which I
• 8:16
  Speaker 4: was like, the kids, the kids were good and they
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  Speaker 4: seemed to like him and and have a good relationship
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  Speaker 4: with him. At that point, what was going on at
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  Speaker 4: that point, so that I'm trying because I'm trying to
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  Speaker 4: like I'm trying to remember exactly like at that point
• 8:29
  Speaker 4: when I met you, that was like the last season.
• 8:32
  Speaker 4: Then you were going into the last season, and then
• 8:34
  Speaker 4: it was that summer.
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: Was that crazy summer that Yeah, So that's what I
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: want to talk about.
• 8:39
  Speaker 5: So that's when everything hit the fan. I think when
• 8:41
  Speaker 5: I took him back and then he did it again.
• 8:43
  Speaker 4: And hello, was he living with you at that point
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  Speaker 4: when he when he did it again? Was it the
• 8:46
  Speaker 4: same person or was it just always different people?
• 8:48
  Speaker 5: Oh? No, I found his He had an iPad that
• 8:51
  Speaker 5: I like to refer to as his little black book
• 8:53
  Speaker 5: with and I still like I took pictures of everything.
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: I still like there's somewhere hidden.
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  Speaker 5: But there was like sixty picture of naked women and
• 9:00
  Speaker 5: they were all in his house or in his room
• 9:02
  Speaker 5: or like like.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't like he was doing it in their house
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  Speaker 4: like you show like the picture.
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  Speaker 2: They were like in his house.
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  Speaker 5: Some of them didn't even look like they were sixteen
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  Speaker 5: years old. Like it was just the craziest stuff, Like
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  Speaker 5: there was like handprints on women from like that he
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  Speaker 5: had like pictures of it was just a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was like I ran straight to the doctor.
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: To the produce.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you're going to be worried about all this.
• 9:27
  Speaker 4: Did he did he admit to it?
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: Did he finally did?
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: It was on there?
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  Speaker 1: But did he like? Oh no, it only happened like
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: this many times.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: And like, I'm not like I am stupid. I was stupid, but.
• 9:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I think I think you were in love, and
• 9:40
  Speaker 4: you are in love. I think you are.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe.
• 9:44
  Speaker 4: A little obsessed, but both of you guys were each
• 9:46
  Speaker 4: other because it was kind.
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: Of I don't know. Check That's why I look back
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what was that going through?
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: Like you were.
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  Speaker 2: I look at him now and he's so unattractive to me,
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: Like there's no like, I don't.
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: Know where what it came from.
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  Speaker 5: Where where this got him? I think it was I
• 10:01
  Speaker 5: liked Jamaica so much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I fell in love with like that country
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  Speaker 2: and that like lifestyle of getting to.
• 10:07
  Speaker 4: Go because chill and he's fine, fine, right, So the
• 10:14
  Speaker 4: honeymoon was all fine.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: After he came came here, basically.
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: Your vacation, there's like I can't remember how it goes exactly.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I know what happened to Vegas, stays in Vegas, what, I.
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: Don't know, but so he all right. So at that
• 10:30
  Speaker 4: point I know that you guys, when I met you,
• 10:33
  Speaker 4: it was you seem to be superficial. You seem to
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: be okay, and then and then the mell So when
• 10:39
  Speaker 4: they know you're having issues, I want to know, these producers, boss,
• 10:42
  Speaker 4: you kind of stay together or did they kind of
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: or did they kind of fan the flames, because I
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: feel like they kind of fanned the flames, and if.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: Anything, yeah, the flames.
• 10:52
  Speaker 5: But I felt forced to stay with him longer than
• 10:56
  Speaker 5: I did because of the show. Because I'll be honest,
• 10:58
  Speaker 5: at the time, I loved it the fame, I loved
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: hair and makeup all the time, you know, doing stuff.
• 11:04
  Speaker 5: So I basically just stayed with him for that reasoning.
• 11:07
  Speaker 5: Plus I was making a lot of money, not from
• 11:10
  Speaker 5: the show, but like.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Other endorsements and things like that, things on Instagram.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: It's like, I'm just gonna keep this going. At the time,
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to date anyone anyway.
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: Because I feel like a lot of people, especially on
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: that show, I think they kind of stay with the
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: person because of that reason.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't, and I do know a lot of.
• 11:26
  Speaker 4: People from your show, Like I know there's there's maybe
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: there's maybe a handful of people that I can really
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: say that I think that they are in it because
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: they do care about each other. I think what happens
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: is if you're with somebody for so long, you've become
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: comfortable with that person too, and then like I guess
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: the storyline too, adds to that because now you're used
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: to that, and everybody's putting you always with them and
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: always with them and that, and they're always like, you're
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: connect attent. So if they can't say ash we're out
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: saying Jay and they can't say you're not saying Ashley.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like yeah, so it kind of
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: like you're always expected to be together.
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And if it's anything with the show, it's always
• 12:03
  Speaker 5: like J J J. Like even when I still post
• 12:05
  Speaker 5: on my Instagram like the questionnaires, it's always about Jay, Right,
• 12:09
  Speaker 5: It's like it's been so long we don't have contact
• 12:13
  Speaker 5: with each other.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: That's what you're stuck in time with people. I mean,
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: you know your that was your.
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: Season, that's where they that's where they left you at
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: you with him, So that's where they're always going to,
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: you know, imagine that you're always gonna that you're with
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: him or whatever.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: You're still in a relationship.
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: I mean you did break up though that summer, which
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: was a horrible oh my no, but the summer that
• 12:34
  Speaker 4: you were at my house.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: This summer that we like officially broke up, Yes.
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: And there was there was a lot of stuff going
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: on in the tabloids.
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: It was it was craziness. It was you threw she
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: threw a she threw a fire extringuish through somebody's window.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Come on, courage, come on, cortage.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: A vineyard all day.
• 12:57
  Speaker 5: I was leaving for Mexico. The next day, he went
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: in my house and took my passports.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: Was that when we were going, Yes, that was when
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: we went. Yeah, that's so funny.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: You're lucky I got to go, I know.
• 13:07
  Speaker 5: So he went in my house, in my safe and
• 13:10
  Speaker 5: took the passport because he didn't want me to go
• 13:11
  Speaker 5: away with it was all of us for a trip,
• 13:14
  Speaker 5: and he knew Camille was going, which Camille.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: Was on the Bachelor Bachelor Power.
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: Power, and so he took my.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: Well, there was a little twinkle there with Camille. Anyway,
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: there was a twin and we let's be honest.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: He took my passport and uh, I was pissed and
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, did you take it? And he was
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: like yeah, And.
• 13:36
  Speaker 5: I was like, well, when I'm done at the vineyard
• 13:38
  Speaker 5: we were having girls day, I'm coming to get it.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: And so I went and he was having a full
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: party and he went open his door.
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: So after two bottles of wine, I saw the fire
• 13:47
  Speaker 5: extinguisher sitting on the walls side place seven.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: Through it through his window. But I got my passport
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: and I went.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: She got her passport, didn't get arrested, and we went
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: to Mexico and we did. But then there was a
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: lot of time.
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: Well I did get charged, Well you did, Yeah, she
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: did because someone I hit someone in the head with
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: it because I couldn't see.
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: You didn't really hit somebody. It just kind of fell
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: on them, like landed on that.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: It really didn't see through the window.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: I just threw it through the window to get his attention.
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: I guess there was you know, there were all better
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: ways than throwing a fire excrete through the window to
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: get somebody's You.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Did get the passport, You did get the passport. So
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: there was a whole big scandal going on when we
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: were away.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: In Mexico because of this happening. Because this all happened,
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: she you threw the fire excrets through the window. You
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: had a big fight about the passport, and then when
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: we were away, you.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Kind of you Camille kind of had a fling.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Can we get pass this subcheck?
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: No, you needn't talk about it.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: You would Melle, who was on the backs, I had
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: a fling, and then it was all over the tabloids.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Then I was like the minute we.
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: Got there, I was like really bad there because they
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: made me look like, remember it was him and Christian,
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: they were trying to make it look Yes, they were.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Trying to make you have a threesome with the Christian.
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: Christian is also on the Bachelor too, So it was
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: like the minute we got that, they was like like
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: literally that night we were all out to dinner and
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: it was literally a picture of her, Christian and Camille
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: sitting together and they were like they were just were
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: just sitting at a table together, and it was basically
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: like headlines, Uh, Ashley threesome trip or something like that,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: Like they're saying like you were having a three some
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: with with with a Christian and Camille, which wasn't happening.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Christian was like my brother, Oh my god.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, I even got blamed for going for the
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Christians like my son.
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well at that time I was kind of talking
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: to that NFL player around that time and that yeah, so.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: And that was also and that was also a controversy
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: then too. They were like, oh is she with and
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: then that's what ebody.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I took a picture with her. I was like seeing dat.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well everybody thought you were Well you also did
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: go go with the guy from remember the other one
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: from MTV.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: We can't talk about that. No, we cannot talk about that,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and we're going to stop that right here.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Do not bring up a name. Okay, I won't bring
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: up a name. Well, we won't bring the name.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: But it's it's hard. Remember you also got but you
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: still got blamed.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: For going with him though.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Anyway, no, no, whatever about that. Are you sually stay
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: that way?
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: Why do I feel like, yeah, because I didn't know
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: that he had a pregnant girlfriend at the time.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: This it just gets better and better.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, So, but anytime you were out with somebody they
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: always thought that you were with them because.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: And they was I went through my hope, Well, it
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: was either the.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Clach they thought you were you were trying to get
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: back and Charsa was about you were getting back a jay.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Then you were being wild. Then it was like it
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: was yeah, it was a whole big world wind.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of fun that summer.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: You did, but you were you were you were upset.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I was upset.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you you you were upset, you know, And I
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: think you didn't want to feel humiliated by That's what.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: You That's what it's. You know what. I don't think
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I really care, No, but I think you care. But
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: you did care.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I cared about like the marriage being over stuff by him.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: No, No, I think you want. I mean you listen,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: you would when a normal person would be hurt. You know.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely hurt.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: You were hurting about that.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: And we definitely played that game afterwards, like with posting,
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: especially like where I'd be like, oh look me in
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: New York was an NFL player.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: It was just the local like it was any embarrassing
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: No, No, definitely, so you want you were leveling up
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: and he was leveling down. I mean, that's what was
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: really happening. Let's be honest that that's what was going on.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm so glad that was behind that was.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: But no, but then you got back together during COVID.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: We thought that was behind you at that point, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden during COVID, I see a
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: picture of you and him on Instagram.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I called, I'm like, I called you, Like,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: what is going on? How did this happen?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember. It's all like a blur now.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was like you were like, I'm done.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: You're get You're not you know, you're getting divorced, that's it.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, then this is what you
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: were telling me the whole time because we couldn't We
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: didn't see each other obviously for a long time.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: During when the COVID was happening, we had a party.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: We had what was we had our cow party when
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: we launched our lipstick line, me and Ashley, And that
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: was the last party that I think anybody went to
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: right before right before the city closed, Like that was
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: like the last time and it was funny because the
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: city was empty at that point because it was already
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: starting to happen, it was starting to get It was
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: like February.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: COVID two weeks before we had that party. Yeah, well
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you didn't know it was, were right, because we were
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: at the super Bowl? Yes, And I had no clue.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: No one knew what COVID, No.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Onoe knew what it was. And literally I have two weeks.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Three weeks later, I closed and I shut down and
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: then we were shot that Well, so we didn't I
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: didn't see you for about five months and we we
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: only talked on the phone.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: And when I and I didn't even know you were
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: getting back with him, well he got back whim. All
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, I see this post and I'm like,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: my there was a picture of you in a Mirra
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: and O.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: It was a flip to switch challenge.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, And there was so many comments on the picture
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: because people are like.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: What, she's back with ja, Oh my god, she's with
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: him again.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Because you guys, everybody thought like that it was done.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I personally knowing you because you're a good
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: friends and we spoke, I was like, she ain't gonna
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: get back with this guy, No way, there ain't nothing.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden boomed, hiss this picture
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: and then like it was off to the races again.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for like a month I think, and then it
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: was done.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: What now, what happened?
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: What made you like? Could you think he wanted to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: be with you?
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Because he was by himself during COVID or juice?
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: People that like, he's a freeloader.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: So he meets these women and then he like moves in,
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: he moves in the next day.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: When he starts getting in a bad fight and things
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: aren't going his way or they're not paying for his things,
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: he moves to the next.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: And he was what's somebody else for a while a
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: little while then right before No, but there was somebody
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that he was living with before he got back with you, right,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the stripper girl? What is it?
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Guys and strippers and understand, I mean they know that, Like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's no nothing against nothing against strippers and
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: sex workers. But let's be honest, guys are not marrying you.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: They're not.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just not. That's just not the way it works.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I hate I mean, you know, it's the truth.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, let's be honest. I have I have people
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: that I know that are you know, work with and
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: they're only fans and things like that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And a girlfriend.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Mine's like, I don't know why I can't get a boyfriend.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: I said, because you're on only fans. I go, Men,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: did this hookup generation? Unfortunately? You know, it causes girls
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: a lot of problems because they think, oh yeah, because
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, free this, it's up for you about my body.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: But now now, men at the end of the day
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: is still going to want somebody, and women too are
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: going to want somebody who's Yeah, I don't know. I
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: think I think that you could get past it to
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: a point.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: But after yeah, I don't know. I don't think.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: So I think, did you have to really think about it?
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: You have to have a really really strong man or
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: he's got to be in the same industry as you.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: They have to also be that for them to accept it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Because and a woman too, because I would always be
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: thinking like.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Like are they looking at somebody else and somebody else
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: looking at them? You know, you're always you're always going
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: to think that. So I think that it's a lot.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: So But although I mean nothing against anybody. And I
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: have friends who that they have they make lots of
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: money doing it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's there forever I refer to her as
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: that because it's easier.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I don't like to see her name. I could care
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: less if someone to strip.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Or not, I mean I would.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I think I think I might want to start an
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: only frians praise myself just for my feet because people fetishes.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's and I made a shipload of money.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Listen, I don't think it's an issue if you just say,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: like if you have somebody that you're with and you're like, okay,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I want to do this, and it's just pictures and
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: things like that, Okay, that's one thing to me, that's
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: like posing full playboy problem.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But when you're.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Stunting doing like these sexual you know, videos, and you.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Know, so you can do like like porn on it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then this is what I'm talking about.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about the girls that I know are doing
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: full like out like.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Porn on it. Like they're like it's like they're ship's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: laid out to be. You know that I know, but
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a I.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Don't think that pictures and things like that is a
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: problem to me. It's like Playboy or it's like Penthouse.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: That's that's great, whatever, But.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: You know, unless you have somebody that you're with.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: That's doing the same thing, I think I don't think
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: that they would understand that. But pictures, you weren't doing
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: any they were just taking pictures.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I meaning care.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's different that. That to me is different.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Like I said that, will I don't. I wouldn't have
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: a problem with Yeah, I would do that for myself.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Not that anybody would want to see me naked, but
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: not now. Maybe maybe twenty years ago.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Jeez, but there is a whole thing with guelfs, not
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: only melps now, but guilfs now.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: They're like, it's the whole thing.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, girls, I don't know. Maybe I should start doing that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: It seems that it seems that people like to be
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: with people younger than themselves.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's something I should.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: I own a hair salon and the one client the
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: other day was like, she's in her forties.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I guess she was like, I'm not the age right
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: now where dads are hot and twenty one year olds
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: are hot handle it like twenty one, who's way too young? Yeah?
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, I don't you know with me is I
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: don't think I could go with somebody younger than me
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: because I have children that age.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I need someone older for sure.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: First of all, men are babies anyway, I mean so
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: to me, so they even when they were in their fifties,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: they're done pretty much.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: They're dumb. They're just not mature.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: So I don't think I could deal with anybody that's
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: not It was going to be like another child.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I have to take care of it basically exactly, you know.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: And I also have children that age, So to me,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I don't think I could do that.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I do. I always liked older men, like I'm like,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about fifty years older than me. I'm
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: talking maybe like ten like older men. Yeah, yeah, well
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of old a mena hot.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I like older men.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I don't want somebody like you know, like like I
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: don't want to say it, like Joe Biden like old
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: like that. It was like that has that dementshaw you
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, and then you won't remember anything.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: He won't remember if you fucked him or not. Like, yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: that was great, right, don't just smell it?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I don't.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't even walk up down the stairs street.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: But I always said I would add in to call
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: it though if I had to, I don't know I would.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: If I just had to get somebody a lap dance,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: would be fine. We're good, We're good. We're good.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: So tell me about how Now tell me about what
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: your dating life is right now.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, I've been dating someone for a year and a half,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: two years.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: No, did he know who you are? Like as far
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: as being on TV before you met him?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: So he did. He we met because he was coming
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: in my hair salon getting his haircut.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: And he knew you were on TV before.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I guess he had came in like so, I
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: had hired his hairstylist, so he started coming to my
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: salon for her to cut his hair. And every time
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: he would come in, I just thought he was cute
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: or whatever. And I guess he like the first he
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: said the first time he came in, I guess I
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: just ran in to do something.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I had white pants on. I don't know, but he's like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I went home and looked you up for like four
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: hours so.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: He found me, so he read he saw right away, right,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, he's a.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Few so he he you, he saw you before he
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: knew you.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: He knew everything. He had read everything and so everything.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know what all you were.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: You needed to read some picture of you with oh
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: my gosh and the paper and the uh and what
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was what was the magazine that was in? I don't remember.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: That was funny.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: So now you're dating him for a while. Yeah, and
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: you guys are in love and you're going to assume
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: be married at some point, right, Yeah, and he's.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: From Pennsylvania obviously. How is how is? How is now? Now?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Not being in the spotlight anymore?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Much better?
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like the first time I've been in
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: front of a camera since the show.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like do you feel like that?
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, you said did you like you like to
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: being on the show at some point, But do you
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: feel like that was the drama and all that and
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: all what you went through worth being on the show?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: No, definitely not.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: And I liked the perks of like what you got
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: from being on the show, not the show itself, right, So,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: like I signed up for season one or season two
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: before season one even airs, so I had no clue
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: what to expect. Otherwise I would have never.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Even done season two.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Because it is a lot. It is a lot of
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: emotions that go on. You know, they're they're you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: they're in they're in your face ever all day long,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: they're with a camera. It's like you're there's nothing that's secret,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: there's nothing that's private. Yeah, you know, and it is.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: It's very very it's very very taxing to do that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: I think have some have that have that part of
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: your life invaded, you know, and once the famous.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Thrust that upon you.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I feel that a lot of people can't handle that
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: at some at some point. I mean, you you will fine,
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: You handled it fine.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I could have definitely handled social media differently.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: But I believe it on the show because they just
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: throw you out there like they don't tell you anything.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: They don't tell you how to handle social media.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: They don't tell you like I mean, the stuff that
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: goes on when you're on TV is insane. Like people
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: just because they don't like me, which is kind of
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: surprising because I was the like victim right show out
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: of the two of us.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Well, they don't like you because you're pretty well because
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: you're successful.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Well, I didn't want my kids included in anything, and
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: that's why they weren't. But like calling cps like just
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: things that people don't realize when you're on reality TV
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: that you have to deal with, Like bad reviews.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: On your business.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: People are mean.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: It's not even people client that's ever even been in there.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: There's somebody that you don't even know is hating on you.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: You've never met this person and they're just sitting there
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: seething and hating your gun, like you don't even know why.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: You're just like okay, well people like that, it's just
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: because they're not happy with their own minds.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: And I needed to realize that I took everything to
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: heart in the beginning and it really took a serious
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: emotional tone on me, Like just all the social.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Media it's kind of hard to navigate through in the beginning.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: And I was like super uncomfortable in public too. I
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: didn't like not that like if I was always nice.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: But I don't. It's just weird.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: You know, you live your whole life and the next
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: thing you know, like you're picking a tomato up at
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: the grocery store and someone's coming up like a picture.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just I don't like it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would never do a show again?
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Do you think I'm not like obviously you know that
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: you don't have to deal with it, And now that
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I know what you have to go through,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: I can't say if there wasn't a right price, if
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: we wouldn't do.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Right, well, I think you would know how to handle
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: it differently. Now you would know what you would see.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: I think that this is how they get a lot
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: of people, especially on your show. They thrust this same
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: on people, these ordinary people, and a lot of them
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: can't handle it because they're like they've come from a
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: lot of them will come from backgrounds. Maybe they're not
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: like in a big city, they're not you know, around
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: famous people, or they're not.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: In like a what's to say, like a what should
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I say? They they're not in that world.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Or that they're not anywhere near that world, and then
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: when it's thrust upon them, I think it just makes them.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: It goes one or two ways.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Either it really it makes them downward spiral, or it
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: gets to their head and they think that who they know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: they think they're like this a list especially in a
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: JI and it's like, dude, man, like, you know, totally not.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not damn man.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Members really think that Yeah.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I could see that in a lot
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: of different shows. But you know, to me, like, and
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I've said this before to other people, other guests that
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: that are on.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: TV, I think that if I think that you if you're.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Going to be on a show, it's either a you're
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: going to do it because you want to start a business,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: or you have a business that you want to promote.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: You know, see, you did the right thing, you got
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: went off, you use your notoriety to now open up
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: han Selon. It helped you advance your business and now
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: you have a thriving Hanslon.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: That's the way to do it.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: That's w you're going to do it, because let's be honest,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: you're not going to make a career about being a
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: reality star. There's very few people that can make that
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: a career. And even them, even when they're done with
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: the reality what are they doing after that?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, what are you doing? What do you have
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to show for it?
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Unless you have something to show for it then or
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: something that the next step. What's the next thing that
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: you're going to do what was this? What is this
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: really all about? You're kind of back in the same
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: place you want when before you started. Now you're used
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: to being famous and used to being you know, everybody
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: doing everything for you, and then all of a sudden,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: it's like, well, yeah, we don't know who you are anymore.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: And it happens very core, right, And I guess, like.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I mean you could speak on that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: And I mean I personally didn't ever want to be
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: on the show again, and I wanted to for it
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: all to go away, and it has and it did
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: pretty quickly. So yeah, for anyone that goes into reality
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: TV and like stresses over stuff, like it blows over
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: and it's the next thing five minutes later, you know.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: So so that was a nice part about it. As
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: fast as it all came, it kind of all wants to.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: And if they've never reached out to you again to
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: go back on the show afterwards.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: I sent a big list of like things that would
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: allow me to go back on the show, and one
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: of them was if Michael Jackson was president.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I think they realized that you didn't.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Want to do it again.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean you'd have to find somebody else
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: to be with to well.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: I would never go on like ninety Day Fans or
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: TLZ ever again, I would have to be a totally
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: different network network.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I did get.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Casted for X on the Beach and then we decided
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: not to do it, But that was pretty quickly after.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: I think our contracts were a year after the last
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: episode aired, so about a year after the last episode
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: we were going to go on it, Ji, but then
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I kind of settled down with someone and I decided
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: not to.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You didn't think it was worth going on and and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and everything, because then you are that show.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: It is like all about yeah, you know, drama and
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: hooking up and I'm a mom.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I don't my kids. You need to watch us?
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because at what point you say, is it? What's
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: what's going to be the benefit of me doing this?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: All Right?
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: So I'm going to be like X on the Beach
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: like reality show? Is I'd rather like act or something?
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: If I was going to be honest, well, maybe you
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: should go down that road and act. That's what I'm
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: That's what my passion is now is producing and acting.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: That's what I like.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Be a great actress.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think I could. I think you could and
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I can too. I'm good, I've been.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I'd be playing that like cheerleader rolept.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I'm old like you could be. You could be that
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: bitchy cheerlead tomorrow.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Mom.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a regular mom. I'm a cool mom.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I can't believe my daughter's graduating next year.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I can't believe all my kids are grown. I can't
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: believe I have a thirty two year old? How did
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: that happen? It happens, it does, It happens really fast.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: It's crazy, it's crazy. Now you're now you have a hasslon.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Now I have a very very very big, thriving hasslon,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: which I'm so proud of you. And you thought you
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: were worried in the beginning, right, and that would happened, right,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: I took a leap, but it worked, it worked, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: you're very good at it. So are you happy? I mean,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: how does it? How does that now? How is that
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: reflecting like your business? Like I said, it's you. Obviously,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: being on TV helped get you off the ground, and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: but now you have.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Well no, no, I can't really say no nothing from TV.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I would se help me out.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: And in the beginning, when the salon opened, and I
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: did get an influx of people that I would ask
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: how they heard about the salon and they would say
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: the show, okay, but they would come like one time
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: because most of them came like traveled, and then that
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: was kind of it.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So I can't even really say that a lot of
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the people even they just came here, it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Was just like one hit one. They want to see
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: what it's all about, and that was it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: You're not going to drive two hours to get here. None.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: But I do have a client that still plays in
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: from Canada to get her hair just because on the show.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: But she loves the way you do hair.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Obviously, she's not going to fly in if you If
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: you fuck up her hair, obviously you're she likes the
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: way you do it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, eventually that once my son graduates, I'd like to
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: do like celebrity like I like movie set hair.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Doing things like that would be So you want to
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: start doing that? Yeah, well you should say your side
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to that. And you're because you're really good at what
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you do.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Unless I hit the lottery.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I like to hit the lottery too, but you have
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: you have a better shot at being struck by lightning
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: than hitting the lottery.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I know, I know, I don't think it's in the
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: cards for us. It's all right, we'll be all right,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: we'll be all right. So tell me about how are
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the kids doing?
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Now? Are the kids happy you're off the show?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it ever really feaced.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Them because you never brought them on. No, no, no, that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: was one thing about you.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: You never had them be involved in the show, which
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: I think was really good.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, that's not that show. Has anyone who
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: puts their kids on that show I kind of look
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: down on. I don't it's not a place for kids.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a place for kids any shows
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: like that at all, because there's too much drama.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: There's too much stuff going on.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: It's too much to bring them into, like what you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: these are things that you shouldn't be talking about in
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: front of your children to begin with.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always negative around the kids. Like you watch
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: the show, there's not.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Really any good.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: It really is a really negative show. Yeah, it's so negative.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy that every show I turn on and
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I don't really really watch reality TV.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I watch like documentaries and stuff. That's if I do
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: watch a lot of YouTube videos.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: But I feel like it's all negative all the time.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: There's nothing they need. They need more of an influxing
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: in of some more happy and more positive because it's
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: all negative.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: I always say, like, before you even start filming, they
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: already have your rules cut out for you, Like it's
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: not reality TV, no, I mean they have a vision
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: and that's why they want to. Like for instance, when
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: we filmed, it was every other weekend when I didn't
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: have my kids, and they came with a schedule, like
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: they knew what we were filming, and we kind of
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: knew we had to play the part so and.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: They would tell you that's because they would just they
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: would give you the outline of what they what they wanted,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: and they would tell you.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: I am curious with other couples how much more they
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Orchestray Jay, it was just an idiot, but he was
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: like a gold mine for reality TV. But like for
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: couples that really don't have many issues, I am, I
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: think a lot of it either. For instance, we faked
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: a lot. Yeah, we taked a lot of our scenes
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: and the producers didn't even know right, Like multiple times
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: we filmed with Natalie acted like we were fighting, but
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: we weren't. We would meet up after and they were fine,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: I haven't drinks and laugh about how stupid they are.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: But they thought I was stupid, but that I had
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: already knew going on the show that like there has
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: to be drama.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: They're not just gonna film.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's what that's what the people are
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: tuning in for drama, But I also think that there
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: should be some of course, there's always going to be drama,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: and but I feel like it's all it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Is is negative drama.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Like I want to see some some stuff that's funny,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: some stuff that's you know, that's light hearted. I don't
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: want to see all negative. Yeah, of course you want
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: to see the fights. Yeah, that's the fun. That's fun.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: But I do I like, I would like a mixture.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I just think that everything now is all negative. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: I talk to people that are you know, all the
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: friends who are on on different shows, and I listen
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: and I listened to them, and I'm like, I'm like,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: your whole life, like the last three weeks that you've
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: been filming as all negative energy, Like you, they look like.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: They're they're drained. You have no idea drained. I mean
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I filmed a couple of shows and I've only done if.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: I did it for a couple of weeks and and
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: it was just like but I didn't. It was just
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: like draining just to be having to go through all
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: that process.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: I used to think like, oh, it must be nice
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: acting like an idiot with cameras falling you.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: No, it's not like that at all.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: No, it's a it's not easy.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And I like calculated the hours that like that.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: We filmed the first season, which was like over seven months,
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: and we made ten thousand dollars total.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Like it was, it was.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: It's totally not worth it.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's like because I'm so stressed out,
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: and you know, then they're like pinning like that, you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: the reunions and you have to go fight with all
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: those people's.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: And then you're there for like seventeen hours from the
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: morning hours. I remember the last ring. You came by
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: me afterwards, and you would they have from.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Well, my makeup artist. I remember she showed up at
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: my room at two thirty am to start getting me ready.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: And you had to be yeah, and you would they
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: have literally old day and then you're not allowed to
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: have a phone and all night and that you aren't
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: allowed to have your.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Phone just like to check, yeah, to check on the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: kids or whatever.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: So they feed you like hardly anything. It's horrible food.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: And then like obviously they have booze.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: To look with courage.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Well I think I actually brought mine. I don't know.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Whatever, So so that was, you know, so it's very emotional.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: It's an emotional rollercoaster.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, now that you're older and looking back, like
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: you said, you would probably have done it differently or
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: do you think you.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Would have even done it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have done it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: You would have done something else, but not that I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: would have picked.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I could have pitched to do something.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, until you fell in my lap, I never
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: saw in a million years, Like I didn't like wake
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Up when it was five, and like seek Out being
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: a like reality TV story.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, who really does I just.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: You know, okay, and I like even when they had
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: first asked a film, I said, not my kids. So
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: they walked away and literally like the day before we left,
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: I will left to go over Jamaica, they called me
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: back to go.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: So I think that they prey on people too.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: They and maybe you know, because they are like like
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: you said, they're you know, you you're they're they're just
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: getting people, regular people on and it's like they they're
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: thrusted with this, with this, with this celebrity now, so
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: now it's kind of it gets them in, it keeps them,
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: It hooks them up, hooks them in, and now they're
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: hooked on it because now they're hooked on the fame.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: They're hooked on.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: People like being nice to them. They're hooked on people
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: like giving them things for prey. You know, they're getting
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: these endorsements. But you know, I mean, let's be honest,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: like you said, you're working all these hours, and are
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: you really getting the benefits, like, you know, are you
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: getting paid for these benefits?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: So again, my my thing goes back to unless you're
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: going to be on reality TV, unless you have a
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: business that you want to promote, or you have something
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: else you want to do that's going to help you know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: that's gonna.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Help push it, Is it really worth.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: It at the end of the day, you know, is
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: it gonna Is it gonna really do anything for you?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: You know? So that's what I feel, But look at you.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: You got this great, great hassleon. Now, I'm so proud
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: of you to tell everybody where it is.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: It is Mert and Hair Studio and it's in New York, Pennsylvania.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: So if you're in York, Pennsylvania, please go visit my
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: beautiful friend Ashley's hassleon. And I'm so late that you
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: came here today, my friends, and thank you for driving
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: for five hours to see me.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: She just wanted to have my chicken calls. That's what
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: she wanted. She wanted a good home Sunday Italian dinner.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: That's what she wanted. She missed that.
• 41:40
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• 41:43
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• 41:47
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• 41:50
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• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Everybody, have a great day.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: This isn't the past to do with them,