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Episode 69 Wargames 2024 Review! · Podcast Championship Wrestling

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  Speaker 1: Tonight, we step into a woman where nothing is as
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  Speaker 1: it seems.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Ela that Lund destruction.
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  Speaker 3: Doth construction, Ladies and gentlemen, There's no way to do
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  Speaker 3: Warder fre versus Fox.
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  Speaker 4: Pop.
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  Speaker 5: No for the original ldline, No holds.
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  Speaker 6: Down Tonight, Survivors.
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  Speaker 7: Only the Beginning, and now w W A supercard and
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  Speaker 7: Prime Hydration present survivers Series War Games.
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  Speaker 8: You are looking live and has sold out Rodgers Arena
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  Speaker 8: in Vancoumber, British Columbia, Canada. Over seventeen thousand double ed
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  Speaker 8: WWE fans are on hand for this Thanksgiving weekend tradition,
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  Speaker 8: the second longest running.
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  Speaker 9: Premium live event in double D WWE history.
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  Speaker 8: Welcome to the thirty eighth Survivor series.
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  Speaker 9: CW alumni the BLOEMENI and you're listening to BCW.
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  Speaker 10: The question is.
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  Speaker 4: You let me talk to I.
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  Speaker 10: Will give you a show you have never.
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  Speaker 5: Recovered but for a wife because I can't.
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  Speaker 11: What do you guys want to talk about?
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  Speaker 10: From the colored red in the world with.
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  Speaker 3: A black and white and eat a world?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's life. If you don't achieve the chap.
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  Speaker 9: What's that big a mad? You got a bigger bad
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  Speaker 9: And I said whoa what it hey?
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  Speaker 12: You know to back your red back there one got down,
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  Speaker 12: ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of follow ages.
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  Speaker 12: Welcome back to another episode of PCW podcast Championship Wrestling.
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  Speaker 12: I am your host, Wayne also known as Semi Dry Chicken,
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  Speaker 12: and tonight.
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  Speaker 5: What do you guys want to talk about?
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  Speaker 13: I'll tell you what we're going to talk about. We
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  Speaker 13: are going to talk about, yes, weregans. We're going to
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  Speaker 13: do the post show and talk about wargans. But I
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  Speaker 13: am not alone. Let me bring in my co host,
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  Speaker 13: suck Jay yo yo, what they do?
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  Speaker 10: Pc W crew.
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  Speaker 13: You have a good Thanksgiving?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, wasn't too bad. Wasn't too bad.
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  Speaker 14: You kept it pretty simple, you know, just immediate family, mother, niece,
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  Speaker 14: nephew's sister, as everybody.
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  Speaker 13: Everybody's got football right during Thanksgiving. But we also had
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  Speaker 13: Survivors series, so something in there for us wrestling fans.
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  Speaker 13: Ah yeah, yeah, that's nice. All right, let's bring out
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  Speaker 13: our other coast here.
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  Speaker 15: He is h m hm hm mmmmm mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 13: Mmmm Doyle.
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  Speaker 15: Oh, it's me, it's me. It's a d O y
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  Speaker 15: l e and uh it's a sad day, Yes it is.
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  Speaker 13: Oh it's not a new day. It's a sad day,
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  Speaker 13: sad day, sad day in Mudville.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, man, definitely that.
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  Speaker 13: Oh man, well there's a lot of sad things we
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  Speaker 13: can talk.
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  Speaker 15: About, not just because I'm out of leftover turkey.
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  Speaker 13: Oh yeah, oh man, I was watching actually some old
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  Speaker 13: like Thanksgiving like SmackDown stuff from like I want to say,
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  Speaker 13: like John Cena, like Prime, I'm john'son, not Prime New
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  Speaker 13: John Cena. Uh doctor Thuganomics. When he does is like
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  Speaker 13: Thanksgiving rap, you know about stuff in the Turkey and
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  Speaker 13: like basically like making a rap abound every woman in
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  Speaker 13: the room. You know, it's pretty good. It's a good classic.
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  Speaker 13: It it aged pretty well. It was nice. It's funny
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  Speaker 13: to see like everybody who's in there, like ninety I
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  Speaker 13: don't know, I want to say, like ninety percent of
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  Speaker 13: the people in that skit just don't even work for
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  Speaker 13: the company anymore. It's always funny watching like older wrestling
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  Speaker 13: skits like.
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  Speaker 15: That about fifteen ish years ago. Yeah oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 15: but it's like the same people you worked with fifteen
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  Speaker 15: years ago.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah right, But it's also fun to like watch something
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  Speaker 13: like that and you're like, man, like I can't believe
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  Speaker 13: they wasted this guy's talent, or this guy they totally wasted,
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  Speaker 13: or you know, I know sometimes I like going back
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  Speaker 13: and watching like old wrestling clips like that and and
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  Speaker 13: thinking about how certain talent was wasted. You know, uh,
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  Speaker 13: definitely during the Ruthless Suggresion era.
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  Speaker 15: Well, you know, I feel like it's it happens in
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  Speaker 15: sports all the time too. You know, a guy can't
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  Speaker 15: hit a fucking lick, and then he puts pin stripes
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  Speaker 15: on and all of a sudden he hits fifty home runs.
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  Speaker 15: You know. Oh yeah, sometimes just a change of scenery
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  Speaker 15: is all, you know.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, rue, if you don't believe it. As Sakwan Barkley, yeah,
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  Speaker 14: uh yeah.
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  Speaker 13: I actually enjoyed watching this pay per view, like at
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  Speaker 13: six o'clock start time. You know, I had the two
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  Speaker 13: hour kickoff show, which is funny because like I sit
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  Speaker 13: here and I complained about a kickoff show that's two
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  Speaker 13: hours long that basically hypes up the pay per view,
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  Speaker 13: right that's coming, And I'm just like, wait, that's that's
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  Speaker 13: kind of what we do. We're like a kickoff panel,
• 8:59
  Speaker 13: yeah right, and like you know that, then afterwards, you know,
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  Speaker 13: they're like, oh, well we're gonna have the post show
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  Speaker 13: kick off, you know, And I was like, oh God,
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  Speaker 13: who wants to fucking hear that? And then I'm just like, oh,
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  Speaker 13: that's what we do, but we do it with pizzazz,
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  Speaker 13: damn it. We do it with a little huspah, you know.
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  Speaker 13: And we're not all a bunch of sad retired wrestlers
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  Speaker 13: behind a desk oh taking that desk job. Oh god God,
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  Speaker 13: we'll talk about that later too.
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  Speaker 15: Uh.
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  Speaker 13: You know what, Let's go right into Survivor series. Let's
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  Speaker 13: blow through this fellas Dre take the wheel, my friend.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Survivor Series war Games took place at the Rogers Arena
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  Speaker 14: in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, and in attendance of just
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  Speaker 14: under eighteen thousand about seventeen eight twenty eight, So not bad,
• 10:03
  Speaker 14: I will say, the crowd itself.
• 10:05
  Speaker 10: Just general thoughts on them, I've heard that.
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  Speaker 14: The I guess in the arena, they came across fairly well,
• 10:13
  Speaker 14: like the wrestlers were coming backstage, you know, remarking on
• 10:16
  Speaker 14: how good the crowd was.
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  Speaker 10: They seemed kind of up and down throughout the show.
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  Speaker 14: To me, they seemed like there were some moments where
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  Speaker 14: they were definitely getting hyping all into it, and then
• 10:27
  Speaker 14: other moments where they seemed like they were just dead silent.
• 10:30
  Speaker 15: So well, I got during the La Knight's entrance, they
• 10:33
  Speaker 15: put the decibel meter up and they barely cracked ninety
• 10:36
  Speaker 15: a couple times, like, I mean, that's loud, but it's
• 10:39
  Speaker 15: not insanely like holy shit, can you believe how loud?
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  Speaker 13: Is it?
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  Speaker 10: Right?
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  Speaker 14: Definitely that I mean, And like I said, there were
• 10:49
  Speaker 14: other parts where things were happening in the matches, I
• 10:51
  Speaker 14: was like, you know, the crowd is dead as shit
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  Speaker 14: right now?
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, I was at home, deadis shit. I did not
• 11:00
  Speaker 15: think this is a great shot.
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  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Generally, over overall impressions, I guess, just starting off with
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  Speaker 14: that of the show, this was very middle of the
• 11:11
  Speaker 14: road as far as the pl especially to be a
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  Speaker 14: big four and with as much hype behind it and
• 11:16
  Speaker 14: to be the whole War Games, I don't know that
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  Speaker 14: it really lived up to it.
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  Speaker 10: This was one of the weaker ones of the year.
• 11:23
  Speaker 14: I would definitely, I definitely agree with you won that part, Dom,
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  Speaker 14: but uh, this is dovin to the first match, which
• 11:30
  Speaker 14: was the women's War Games match featuring I guess you
• 11:35
  Speaker 14: could call it Team Bianca. I guess maybe a Bianca
• 11:39
  Speaker 14: bell Air Eo, sky Ria Ripley, Ailey and Naomi taking on.
• 11:48
  Speaker 14: I don't know if you give them a name, but
• 11:49
  Speaker 14: the Heel Champions team of Naya Jacks Live, Morgan, Raquel Roder,
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  Speaker 14: you guess, Candice Laray and and.
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  Speaker 10: Tiffany Stratton.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, I want to call them either because he called
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  Speaker 15: them Raquel's team at one team and they all it
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  Speaker 15: was all of their teams at a certain point, you.
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  Speaker 14: Know, somebody later, right at some point exactly now, I
• 12:19
  Speaker 14: will say I thought there was an interesting start with
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  Speaker 14: to the match, with Nya Jacks being the one to
• 12:26
  Speaker 14: start off for her team going on and who started
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  Speaker 14: on the other team, Bailey, Right, yeah, So you know
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  Speaker 14: when I saw that, I was that kind of peaked
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  Speaker 14: my interest from the jump, like, oh ship Nia Jack's
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  Speaker 14: starting off, Okay, they they about to do something different,
• 12:41
  Speaker 14: They about to It's about.
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  Speaker 10: To be something.
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  Speaker 14: I thought, really thought he was about to get something
• 12:45
  Speaker 14: special because they were taking outside the box normally.
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  Speaker 13: Huh.
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  Speaker 15: I just said, oh, dear, you are mistaken.
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  Speaker 14: Right, you know normally you think, like you know, the
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  Speaker 14: champions are gonna come out last they'll let the you know,
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  Speaker 14: the lower tier ones go out there and get beat up,
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  Speaker 14: and then you would think somebody, especially I thought I
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  Speaker 14: was gonna be last, Like she would just come in
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  Speaker 14: there and just wreck shop.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean she's she's got anchor written all over her.
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  Speaker 14: That's exactly I was getting her to come in there
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  Speaker 14: and decimat and just lay people out, and instead she
• 13:18
  Speaker 14: gave us W C W Hulk Hogan chair shots.
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  Speaker 10: Oh my god, that.
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  Speaker 13: Is a good yep. Yep, that is a pretty equal yep.
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  Speaker 15: I did hear a a Hall of Famer talking about
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  Speaker 15: that and saying that he didn't think that uh Naomi
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  Speaker 15: was giving giving up her back enough and that was
• 13:44
  Speaker 15: part of the problem because you hear you do hear
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  Speaker 15: Nia say like come on or something. She nia says
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  Speaker 15: something to her.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, I say something like like like wrong bitch or
• 13:55
  Speaker 14: something like that, and then like hits her in the side.
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  Speaker 14: Because yeah, that that that specific spots she's going like.
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  Speaker 14: Uh Naomi puts her hands up like to guard her face,
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  Speaker 14: like now I was about to because I had an overhand,
• 14:06
  Speaker 14: like she was gonna come over the top with it.
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  Speaker 14: Naomi puts her hands up like to guard her face,
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  Speaker 14: you know, attitude there. She's just you know, clocked the
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  Speaker 14: funk at her and just followed through. But instead Nia
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  Speaker 14: goes wrong, bitch, and then Naomi, I guess, starts to
• 14:21
  Speaker 14: fall or something and she catches her in the side,
• 14:23
  Speaker 14: and so I mean, yeah, that just looked a bit messy.
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  Speaker 14: But there were other shots that she was giving people
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  Speaker 14: to the back where they were giving her the back
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  Speaker 14: and it was just like tap, there's like nothing behind it.
• 14:36
  Speaker 14: And obviously, you know, we know what it is with
• 14:38
  Speaker 14: today and CTE and concussion protocols and all of that,
• 14:42
  Speaker 14: so we're not saying that, you know, Nijacks had to
• 14:45
  Speaker 14: be out there like freaking nineteen ninety nine Rock.
• 14:48
  Speaker 10: Royal rumble against me. God just expences.
• 14:52
  Speaker 14: Nobody says she's be doing that, But you can give
• 14:55
  Speaker 14: us a little something, a little something on it, not
• 14:59
  Speaker 14: just this little.
• 15:02
  Speaker 10: And they have it's people to try to sell more
• 15:04
  Speaker 10: like it just it was rough.
• 15:06
  Speaker 13: And you know what though, it's not just Naya. I
• 15:09
  Speaker 13: see it a lot during tag matches, like I saw
• 15:12
  Speaker 13: it recently with like Austin Theory and Grayson Waller just
• 15:16
  Speaker 13: like taking these just god awful like chair stocks where
• 15:20
  Speaker 13: they plant themselves. It's just it just gets are they
• 15:24
  Speaker 13: getting worse like or are we just becoming that soft?
• 15:29
  Speaker 13: Like we just we can't have guys take chair shots
• 15:33
  Speaker 13: that they used to. I understand, not into the head,
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  Speaker 13: but like there's guys who could deliver chair shots to
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  Speaker 13: make them look fucking good and and still not hurt anybody.
• 15:42
  Speaker 13: I mean, these are just awful. Like I like, it's
• 15:48
  Speaker 13: embarrassing to like have like, uh because I recently can
• 15:53
  Speaker 13: say this. I recently had a non wrestling fan who
• 15:56
  Speaker 13: became a wrestling fan, like and and why And I
• 16:01
  Speaker 13: felt embarrassed when I was like, ah no, not all
• 16:04
  Speaker 13: chairs that's like this some of them and not all
• 16:06
  Speaker 13: wrestlers wear like birthday hats when they wrestle, and and
• 16:09
  Speaker 13: like it's like I was like, it's not always like this,
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  Speaker 13: you know.
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  Speaker 15: Naomi wearing that birthday hat was the least of my problems.
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  Speaker 10: Right now.
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  Speaker 14: Like that was just a matter of like why the
• 16:23
  Speaker 14: hell was she wearing that? Oh it's a birthday okay, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 14: I just.
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  Speaker 13: Thought it was funny because it stayed on her head
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  Speaker 13: like once she got there for like two seconds.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, she quickly realized like this ain't it. Yeah, yeah,
• 16:34
  Speaker 10: and it just took it off.
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  Speaker 14: But yeah, like that was just, you know, the least
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  Speaker 14: of the problems with this match. Not saying that the
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  Speaker 14: match was terrible, but it damn Shore was not great.
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  Speaker 14: It was I think we could all agree this was
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  Speaker 14: probably the weakest match of the night. Which I hate
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  Speaker 14: to say that about the women's Wargames match because they're
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  Speaker 14: known for stealing the show. Yeah, I think go back
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  Speaker 14: to the last couple Survivor Series Wargames matches, the women's
• 17:02
  Speaker 14: Wargames match has been better than the men's match. And
• 17:06
  Speaker 14: that's usually the case on a lot of times on
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  Speaker 14: these pls where we get these special matches that have
• 17:14
  Speaker 14: a men's version and a women's version, like Money in
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  Speaker 14: the Bank and the Rumble and stuff like that, the
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  Speaker 14: women always seem to almost always at least match or
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  Speaker 14: exceed what the men do.
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  Speaker 10: This time.
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  Speaker 14: It did not measure up at all. This was I
• 17:30
  Speaker 14: pretty much remember three things from this match. One of
• 17:35
  Speaker 14: them is good, and that is the spot from EO
• 17:41
  Speaker 14: and Tiffany Stratton. You know, that's probably like the one
• 17:45
  Speaker 14: thing everybody remembers, you know, EO doing the the R
• 17:49
  Speaker 14: two D two garbage cam thing. Again, This time she
• 17:52
  Speaker 14: did a moon salt and while Tiffany's doing the swanton
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  Speaker 14: and the other ring, which was a good spot. It's
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  Speaker 14: a highlight spot and obviously it'll get plenty of times.
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  Speaker 14: I just didn't like that it took so damn long
• 18:05
  Speaker 14: set up. Yeah, Like, if they're gonna do these things,
• 18:10
  Speaker 14: I think they should really try to find a way
• 18:13
  Speaker 14: to keep the action going in the ring, as opposed
• 18:17
  Speaker 14: to this whole Okay, they're climbing, everybody bundle together and
• 18:21
  Speaker 14: just randomly hit each other in the face, in the
• 18:22
  Speaker 14: back for the next minute while they get in position.
• 18:26
  Speaker 14: Like all it does is just draw your attention immediately
• 18:29
  Speaker 14: to what they're doing, and you're just sitting there waiting
• 18:32
  Speaker 14: for it to happen, as opposed to having some action
• 18:35
  Speaker 14: going on in the ring that we can see, like, Okay,
• 18:38
  Speaker 14: we're following this, you know, rope things, Yeah, YadA, this,
• 18:40
  Speaker 14: that and the third and then y'all make y'all way
• 18:42
  Speaker 14: in position once they're up there and ready and then
• 18:45
  Speaker 14: let them jump. It would have much better flow to
• 18:48
  Speaker 14: it as and wouldn't just kind of send everything to
• 18:52
  Speaker 14: a grinding halt while we wait for this one spot.
• 18:56
  Speaker 14: You know, that's just my two cents on it, and yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 14: ultimately team Bianca one, which led to probably the other
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  Speaker 14: thing that it was nice in the match that had
• 19:10
  Speaker 14: nothing to do with the match itself, but I appreciated
• 19:13
  Speaker 14: EO and rea celebration afterwards while everybody else is, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 14: hands and then EO just jumps into Ria's arms and
• 19:20
  Speaker 14: wraps her legs around him, like you just gotta love
• 19:23
  Speaker 14: EO's energy, Like she I think she's gradually winning everybody over.
• 19:30
  Speaker 13: Oh, yeah, for sure, she's monny too. Yeah.
• 19:36
  Speaker 15: I don't know if you saw it caught any of
• 19:37
  Speaker 15: the press conference. I caught just the very beginning of
• 19:40
  Speaker 15: the first thing was the five of them, and somebody
• 19:45
  Speaker 15: asked EO about her championship match coming up with Live
• 19:50
  Speaker 15: and she said, you know, she has Rock cal Rodriguez.
• 19:53
  Speaker 15: Are you gonna have anybody to come help you? And
• 19:55
  Speaker 15: She's like, uh, you know, I'm a group called Damna right.
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 20:01
  Speaker 15: Shout out my back.
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  Speaker 14: Yep, shout out to Sir Wilkins of the Jobberteers podcast,
• 20:08
  Speaker 14: because that's the person that's the guy who asked that question.
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: Yep, yep, he is.
• 20:15
  Speaker 14: I'm in one of the Facebook groups that they have
• 20:16
  Speaker 14: for their podcasts, And yeah, there were some jokes about that,
• 20:20
  Speaker 14: him asking you who's gonna have your back and she
• 20:22
  Speaker 14: just wants, well, I'm in damage control.
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: It's like, yeah, duh. But yeah, that was definitely a
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: funny moment there. Yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 14: I hope he continues to win people over and and
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: you know, just gets bigger. She obviously had a great
• 20:40
  Speaker 14: championship run this year, but that was, you know, a
• 20:44
  Speaker 14: bit of a heel run. I like to see her
• 20:46
  Speaker 14: get her appreciation phase and become like a a true
• 20:52
  Speaker 14: main events or with the backing of the fans.
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: But uh, what were your thoughts on this matchway?
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: Who? Double the rings means uh, double the ad space?
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: You know, so it's not just Prime, we have Diablo,
• 21:10
  Speaker 13: we had god what else? True True Crime? Right and
• 21:16
  Speaker 13: Sonic three are true Classic and Sonic three Holy crap?
• 21:23
  Speaker 13: Did we need so much of it? And did we
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: really need two Prime logos? Does that mean like maybe
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: next payer review, we don't need it now because we
• 21:33
  Speaker 13: doubled up on this one and that would be nice.
• 21:37
  Speaker 15: Uh?
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  Speaker 13: You know, this match was really slow, I think until
• 21:42
  Speaker 13: like Tiffany Stratton got in and EO then it started
• 21:45
  Speaker 13: to actually get pretty interesting because I was just seeing
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: like botches all over the fucking place, Like it was
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: just a botch fest. I mean it was slow. I
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: mean the cherry shop for awful people. They were just
• 21:59
  Speaker 13: way and forth. Their timing was off on a lot
• 22:02
  Speaker 13: of stuff. Uh, when Doyle, you're looking under the ring
• 22:08
  Speaker 13: for weapons, you got a you got a.
• 22:11
  Speaker 16: Kendo stick, you got a trash can lid, you have
• 22:15
  Speaker 16: a toolbox, you have a toilet set lid, a toilet
• 22:21
  Speaker 16: seed lid.
• 22:22
  Speaker 13: Guys, this is where we are in twenty twenty four
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: when it comes to weapons. Did this This was such
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: a letdown, And Dre you were right man, because like
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: the women's matches normally like just sometimes exceed the men's
• 22:39
  Speaker 13: I mean maybe not the story, but sometimes the match yourself,
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: like the highlights and stuff like this one was awful. Uh. Yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: there's a few spots that were great, you know, like uh,
• 22:53
  Speaker 13: when all the women were in the ring and then
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: you know, Rhea's team just turned and just they all
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: went so avage and they also start beating him with everything.
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: I saw, like I was dying. I don't know if
• 23:06
  Speaker 13: you guys caught it. Bailey grabbed one of Bianca's hair
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: braids because Bianca had it into two braids and Beyonca
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: took the other one and they were both using them
• 23:15
  Speaker 13: to whip. I was dying like, yeah, right, like you
• 23:22
  Speaker 13: grabbed her hair and he says the weapon like it
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: was creative, using the two hair, the two hair extensions,
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: Like it was nice, the two braids. Yeah, we got tables.
• 23:32
  Speaker 13: You know, we wanted tables. Uh, we got that. We
• 23:35
  Speaker 13: got the trash cans, we got the candosticks. I love
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: I called it. I was watching it with Dave Foster,
• 23:43
  Speaker 13: another listener of the show. We've had them mom in
• 23:46
  Speaker 13: the before. I'm sitting there, I'm like, Dave, I'm gonna
• 23:49
  Speaker 13: call it right now. We're gonna get EO on the
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: top day, gonna dive with the trash can on her,
• 23:55
  Speaker 13: and Tiffany Stratton's gonna, you know, do a moon salt.
• 23:58
  Speaker 13: I didn't expect them, but at the same time, so
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: that was pretty nice. You know. They played into like
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: Ria having that injury for her nose and then when
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: she got into the ring, she pulled the mask off
• 24:11
  Speaker 13: and like, you know, like she really wasn't hurt. I
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: guess she was, you know, and thank god she took
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: it off becuse she just looked awful with that mask on.
• 24:21
  Speaker 13: It was nice to see like Live going back. You know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: I thought she was leaving the ring or leaving the match,
• 24:27
  Speaker 13: and she comes back with a baseball bat. It's like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: oh my god.
• 24:31
  Speaker 15: Bat.
• 24:32
  Speaker 13: Uh Yeah, like I said a few.
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: The best weapon that was using the whole damn.
• 24:38
  Speaker 13: Match exactly, the best weapon, like Live.
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: Was actually at least giving some real shots with that bat.
• 24:43
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: I hear that thing slapping off of some meat in the.
• 24:49
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Rickeltica beating it seems, especially with that tole broke
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: on her back. Uh, she got handcuffed. I see that.
• 25:00
  Speaker 13: And once we kill got into like then you got
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: the two powerhouses, you know, just wrecking shop. Like when
• 25:07
  Speaker 13: they picked up two the women slammed him against the
• 25:09
  Speaker 13: cage and then kind of power bombed him into each
• 25:11
  Speaker 13: other and then onto the ground. I thought that was
• 25:13
  Speaker 13: a pretty good spot. The right team here went over. Uh,
• 25:18
  Speaker 13: you know, none of these women really have too much
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: connections besides like Naomi and maybe Bianga. So where did
• 25:26
  Speaker 13: these women go? You know after this and you know
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: last pay per view, you know, two of these women
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: who are on the same team were fighting against each
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: other and they even attempted the Tiffany Stratton cash in
• 25:40
  Speaker 13: which I was like, come on, like, don't tease this
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: for that ship. In this match, it was nice. Yeah,
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: it was nice seeing Nyjacks go through the table. We
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: did get to see EO use a fire extonizer, so
• 25:55
  Speaker 13: there there were some There were some good stuff once
• 25:59
  Speaker 13: everybody got in, but it was still not the best
• 26:05
  Speaker 13: one on the guard so and not Yeah, definitely not
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: the best.
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: Definitely some misses in that match.
• 26:13
  Speaker 14: I think there was one spot where EO and Cannas
• 26:16
  Speaker 14: Larray were fighting on the cage and I think Leo
• 26:19
  Speaker 14: was gonna like sunset flip damn there from the top
• 26:22
  Speaker 14: of the cage down. It was supposed to I guess
• 26:25
  Speaker 14: catch Cannas Ray into a power bomb, but she lost
• 26:28
  Speaker 14: her grip, so they kind of had to improvise.
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: So what could have been a dope spot that didn't happen?
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: Raquel fumbling to find whatever it was she was looking
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: for but ultimately realizing that she's taking two damn long
• 26:42
  Speaker 14: and had to get in the ring. I wonder if
• 26:44
  Speaker 14: that impacted the match. I wonder if there was just
• 26:45
  Speaker 14: like a certain weapon she was supposed to find that
• 26:48
  Speaker 14: was gonna be used in some spots, because it seemed
• 26:50
  Speaker 14: like without that they seemed kind of lost as far
• 26:53
  Speaker 14: as like what to do I think there. I think
• 26:57
  Speaker 14: there was some key element or some key weapon she
• 27:00
  Speaker 14: was supposed to.
• 27:00
  Speaker 13: Introduce toilet press at that point, who knows.
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: Something to bring it to the raid that was gonna
• 27:07
  Speaker 14: be used for that segment of the match that obviously
• 27:11
  Speaker 14: they could couldn't do without. But that just speaks to
• 27:16
  Speaker 14: the fact of an over reliance on weapons in a
• 27:20
  Speaker 14: War Games match, Like you've got the cage, find some
• 27:26
  Speaker 14: interesting ways to use the cage, or just use the
• 27:29
  Speaker 14: damn cage more like outside of the spot that Nyam
• 27:34
  Speaker 14: Raquel did. Yet like that you pointed out with them
• 27:36
  Speaker 14: slamming the women into the cage and power bombing, there
• 27:38
  Speaker 14: really wasn't much usage of the cage or the big
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: metal plate in between them that wasn't used that much.
• 27:46
  Speaker 14: Like this just seemed to be a lack of creativity
• 27:52
  Speaker 14: among other things in this match, and like an overreliance
• 27:55
  Speaker 14: on all Right, let's get the kindows sticks in well
• 27:57
  Speaker 14: al on with the kendos, Let's get the chairs in
• 28:00
  Speaker 14: there and do our little taps with the chairs and
• 28:03
  Speaker 14: obviously the obligatory tables which are gonna sit there, and
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: so everybody's in the ring because nobody's gonna go through
• 28:10
  Speaker 14: a table before everybody's in the ring.
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: Hell, be creative and do that, put somebody through a
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: table early. But I don't know.
• 28:21
  Speaker 14: Like I said, this match was really really disappointing. Doel,
• 28:26
  Speaker 14: what's your two cents?
• 28:28
  Speaker 15: I had more than two cents fun. This is the
• 28:32
  Speaker 15: match I liked the least, and I wrote the most
• 28:35
  Speaker 15: about have the most notes on a couple of wardrobe
• 28:40
  Speaker 15: notes before I further shit all over this match. Candace's
• 28:46
  Speaker 15: gear had pictures of herself wearing a Crimson mask from
• 28:50
  Speaker 15: a match she had like ten years ago with the
• 28:53
  Speaker 15: Young Bucks. That was kind of a cool little touch.
• 28:56
  Speaker 15: Somebody mentioned RYA's mask. Besides looking like the newest member
• 29:01
  Speaker 15: of Gwar, that mask was designed by the same guy.
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: Whose name I can't think of now that I'm saying this.
• 29:08
  Speaker 15: That does the Wyatt stuff. I kind of thought so
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: looking at it, but it turns out, sure enough, same guy.
• 29:15
  Speaker 15: And then the face paint she had on was very
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: similar to face paint that is he Buddy Murphy or
• 29:22
  Speaker 15: Buddy Matthews in AW. I can't remember her husband. Where's
• 29:28
  Speaker 15: similar face paint in ae W, So that was kind
• 29:31
  Speaker 15: of an homage to him, and I of course stressed
• 29:35
  Speaker 15: like she was going to a Saudi show. But yeah,
• 29:38
  Speaker 15: I mean this was We've said it all, but this
• 29:40
  Speaker 15: is fucking a disjointed mess. You know, there's really no
• 29:45
  Speaker 15: other way to put it. I think when we previewed this,
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: I said that while I was opining in my wish
• 29:56
  Speaker 15: that they would bring back the traditional Survivor series matches,
• 29:58
  Speaker 15: I think I said that I thought this would make
• 30:00
  Speaker 15: a pretty good Traditional Survivor Series match instead of a
• 30:04
  Speaker 15: war Games match. And I want to stand by that
• 30:07
  Speaker 15: statement now that I've seen the Wargames version of it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 15: You know, I feel like you can throw that together
• 30:13
  Speaker 15: at the last minute and be fine, especially when you
• 30:15
  Speaker 15: have ten talents like these, But like when the bill
• 30:19
  Speaker 15: isn't there and the story isn't there, and you're already
• 30:22
  Speaker 15: behind the eight ball, and then you're taking that and
• 30:24
  Speaker 15: forcing it into the Wargames cage, you know, I feel
• 30:27
  Speaker 15: like the chances for a great match go down dramatically,
• 30:30
  Speaker 15: you know. And again I will make my plea that
• 30:33
  Speaker 15: we don't always need men's and women's versions of sucking everything,
• 30:38
  Speaker 15: Like sometimes just let's just do one one of these years.
• 30:40
  Speaker 15: You know, we can do the next we can do
• 30:42
  Speaker 15: the men the next year, the women the next year.
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: You know, I think this would have been so much
• 30:47
  Speaker 15: better as a traditional Survivor Series match. Okay, that's the
• 30:51
  Speaker 15: end of that rant. There were a lot of logical
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: problems with the match, I thought though, too, Like, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 15: somebody said that they're looking under the ring for the weapons,
• 31:07
  Speaker 15: you know, like way too relying on weapons, by the way,
• 31:12
  Speaker 15: way too relying on weapons. But like they make this
• 31:17
  Speaker 15: big deal about, oh the advantage or oh we're evening
• 31:20
  Speaker 15: up the odds or whatever. But then when they have
• 31:22
  Speaker 15: these hard fought matches to get the advantage, then they
• 31:25
  Speaker 15: waste half of the time they have fucking around under
• 31:28
  Speaker 15: the ring looking for bullshit. You know, like, you got
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: three minutes, get in there and beat ass. Don't spend
• 31:34
  Speaker 15: it looking for chairs, don't spend it looking for kendo sticks.
• 31:37
  Speaker 15: Get in there. That drove me fucking crazy.
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: You know, you got the.
• 31:43
  Speaker 15: Numbers advantage, fucking use it. And speaking of three minutes, ah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 15: can we maybe cut it down? Maybe maybe three minutes
• 31:52
  Speaker 15: to start, and then two minutes everything everybody comes in
• 31:55
  Speaker 15: because these matches are fucking long as shit, way too long.
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: What else? What else.
• 32:04
  Speaker 15: You know? And what little story we did have in
• 32:06
  Speaker 15: this match besides Rio wants to kill live, is that
• 32:10
  Speaker 15: the Heels get along and the baby Faces don't. Simple enough,
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: it shouldn't be too hard to fuck that up. But
• 32:17
  Speaker 15: why then this Candice larray She cuts off Tiffy trying
• 32:21
  Speaker 15: to leave the cage, proceeds to taunt her all the
• 32:23
  Speaker 15: way to the ring, and then it's never mentioned, brought up,
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: acknowledged otherwise. And at the same time, we don't get
• 32:31
  Speaker 15: any dysfunction from the Babyfaces until late in the match
• 32:33
  Speaker 15: between EO and Bailey, and it the match is almost
• 32:36
  Speaker 15: over at that point. It has no bearing on anything
• 32:39
  Speaker 15: like that didn't.
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: Make any sense.
• 32:43
  Speaker 15: We already said about the weapons. Yeah, I mean this
• 32:46
  Speaker 15: thing just dragged and.
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: I lost where I was at.
• 32:54
  Speaker 15: Oh, somebody mentioned the the EO Tiffy spot at the
• 32:58
  Speaker 15: same time, Like I thought that should have been two
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: separate spots. Yes, it did you know, you couldn't really
• 33:09
  Speaker 15: show that whole thing at once, and it could have
• 33:11
  Speaker 15: been two separate moments instead of one. Kind of messy
• 33:14
  Speaker 15: thing where you got everybody suddenly separating into two groups, which,
• 33:18
  Speaker 15: by the way, you're diving on your own teammates too.
• 33:21
  Speaker 15: This happens all the time when they do these stupid
• 33:24
  Speaker 15: stand around and wait for somebody to dive on your things.
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: But it's like half of the people were on your
• 33:28
  Speaker 15: own damn team, Like what is the point? And I
• 33:32
  Speaker 15: love it that that dive is cool, and I mean
• 33:35
  Speaker 15: she did add a little flare to it this time,
• 33:37
  Speaker 15: but please, yeah, right, and a little flip or whatever,
• 33:42
  Speaker 15: but like, can we do something else next time?
• 33:44
  Speaker 13: Please?
• 33:45
  Speaker 15: Like we've seen this several times now, you know too long?
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah, ext you make it a trash can with spikes?
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah right?
• 34:06
  Speaker 15: Oh oh okay, yeah and one final grad I'm sorry
• 34:08
  Speaker 15: I found it. It's gonna be a little hypocritical coming
• 34:12
  Speaker 15: from me that the guy that likes stats, uh and
• 34:14
  Speaker 15: something in these in this made up sport. But I
• 34:17
  Speaker 15: really could have done without oh this is so and
• 34:20
  Speaker 15: So's fifth war Games or this is so and So's
• 34:22
  Speaker 15: third war Games, because it really was just kind of
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: a reminder that these women's war games matches especially have
• 34:28
  Speaker 15: really just been a different combination of the same four
• 34:31
  Speaker 15: to eight, you know, core kind of women and then
• 34:35
  Speaker 15: maybe some of the ancillary characters switch out every here,
• 34:38
  Speaker 15: but it's just always some combination of Rhea and Live
• 34:42
  Speaker 15: and and beyond, and it's just like, give us something new.
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: You know, like who's the top women right now?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: A right?
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: Put them against each other, put them in a match.
• 34:53
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Like, well, we need a lot of other women
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: who are out to come back, spice spice things up.
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: I mean, we've been just rotating the same people on
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: the roster. So that's what I'm hoping with this mid
• 35:08
  Speaker 13: card title. You know, it's gonna change things a little,
• 35:11
  Speaker 13: kind of separate a lot of these mid cards from
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: the main events.
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: So or at least give them some you know, development more,
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: get people invested behind them more. So that way, when
• 35:25
  Speaker 14: they do move up to the main event, they seem
• 35:28
  Speaker 14: more ready for it and it seems more earned. Apost
• 35:31
  Speaker 14: somebody is just being essentially sacrificed to the top stars.
• 35:36
  Speaker 13: Yep, I agree.
• 35:38
  Speaker 15: Oh one final thing, way too much laying around waiting
• 35:42
  Speaker 15: for other stuff to happen. Like I went I went
• 35:45
  Speaker 15: back and watched some of the old like w c
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: W War Games matches.
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: Right, nobody laid down.
• 35:51
  Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, focusing on Sting with a chain wrapped around
• 35:56
  Speaker 15: his hand, punching Rick Flair. But in the background, all
• 35:58
  Speaker 15: the other guys are doing stuff too. Nobody's lying around
• 36:02
  Speaker 15: waiting for the man did the same thing. I'm gonna
• 36:04
  Speaker 15: I'm gonna gripe about that when we get there. But like,
• 36:07
  Speaker 15: god damn, can't you try to look like you're doing something,
• 36:11
  Speaker 15: you know, like, Okay, I don't want to. I don't
• 36:15
  Speaker 15: want to. I don't want to talk about this match
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: ever again.
• 36:17
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 36:18
  Speaker 14: No, that's very much legit because it's it takes away
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: from the spirit of what war games is supposed to be.
• 36:26
  Speaker 14: It's supposed to be I think I said this probably
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: in a previous Wargames podcast we did. But it's supposed
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: to be like the ultimate beef settler. Oh yeah, it's
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: people who have so much beef, who hate each other
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: so much that there is no other way to resolve
• 36:44
  Speaker 14: this conflict. Street fights don't do it. Regular cage match
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: don't do it. No, none of the stuff. No dqu's
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: don't do it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 15: We gotta take it to war So when you're starting
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: off without that to begin with, you're already a step
• 36:58
  Speaker 15: behind exactly.
• 36:59
  Speaker 10: I'm not working off that premise. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: If if you're not working off that premise, then this
• 37:05
  Speaker 14: is just a glorified just gimmick match, which, yeah, which
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: will lead to you having spots where it's like, Okay,
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: it's time for us to lay down for three minutes
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: while they do their thing over there. And now, okay,
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: now they're laid out. Now I'm just gonnamaginally get back up,
• 37:21
  Speaker 14: and now I'm gonna go at you. And yeah, it's
• 37:26
  Speaker 14: it's It can be entertaining at times, but it doesn't
• 37:31
  Speaker 14: feel like war games, not not to those of us
• 37:35
  Speaker 14: who have been around long enough to know what war
• 37:39
  Speaker 14: games used to be. Right again, and how does see help?
• 37:44
  Speaker 14: I wish they put the damn top back on the cage.
• 37:48
  Speaker 14: That's an element of utilization that is being lost, because then.
• 37:53
  Speaker 15: When you lock them and out, he's really locked out.
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: Yeah, that's true. That's the first thing I thought of,
• 37:59
  Speaker 13: is like, God.
• 38:04
  Speaker 14: If only there wasn't a big giant, gaping hole at
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: the top that he could somehow find his way to,
• 38:12
  Speaker 14: and and plus that, and and also back in the
• 38:14
  Speaker 14: day with the wargames matches, it wasn't just that it
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: was a top on the cage. It wasn't that high
• 38:19
  Speaker 14: up either. It wasn't like a regular steel cage match
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: that would be its gonna be relatively high above the
• 38:27
  Speaker 14: ring or extended fairly high up. There was a level
• 38:30
  Speaker 14: of claustrophobia to it, like you were really locked in
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: with these people, Like I forget who's.
• 38:37
  Speaker 15: Who the move is getting done to, but it's Doctor Death,
• 38:40
  Speaker 15: Steve Williams guerrilla pressing somebody. I can't remember who it is,
• 38:44
  Speaker 15: and they're hitting every time he goes up to hit
• 38:46
  Speaker 15: the cage. Yeah, boom boom, boom boom. I can't remember
• 38:50
  Speaker 15: who's taking it, but it's it's doctor Death doing the
• 38:53
  Speaker 15: doing the press, and it's just like fuck that. I'm sorry.
• 38:57
  Speaker 15: That looks way more real or pain or whatever. Then
• 39:02
  Speaker 15: uh naya Jackson's feather chat shots though.
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: Right like and.
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: And also, if ever there's a match, I know they
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: don't like to see women bleed, but if ever there
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: was a match that warranted it, maybe a match called
• 39:21
  Speaker 14: fucking war games, somebody can get some color.
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah, there was no blood in any of these war
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: game matches this year. None. Yeah, not even by accident.
• 39:36
  Speaker 14: Well, there was somebody that did accidentally bleed. I think
• 39:38
  Speaker 14: Raquel there I saw on her ig. Apparently she was
• 39:41
  Speaker 14: getting stitched up afterwards, but.
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: It was on her arm.
• 39:45
  Speaker 14: So is that toilet one of the things that you
• 39:48
  Speaker 14: know if you are looking for, you ain't gonna notice it, right,
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: But enough of this match, Let's move on. Follow up
• 39:57
  Speaker 14: match was for the United States champions and Ship La
• 40:01
  Speaker 14: Knight defending his title against a returning shinsk knock A
• 40:04
  Speaker 14: Moura and La Knight lost to shins Kate went down
• 40:14
  Speaker 14: in defeat our new United States Championship, our one and
• 40:20
  Speaker 14: only sith Lord Darth Muda a Ka shins Kate knocking Mora.
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: But the match itself was It was a good It
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: was an okay match.
• 40:35
  Speaker 14: I think they did at least a decent job of storytelling,
• 40:38
  Speaker 14: very much helped by Michael Cole and Corey Graves on
• 40:42
  Speaker 14: commentary helping to tell the story, because they definitely Graves
• 40:48
  Speaker 14: did an excellent job like picking up on the fact
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: that La Knight had dropped his title as he was
• 40:53
  Speaker 14: going to the ring and weaving that into the narrative
• 40:56
  Speaker 14: of La Knight's not focused, He's shins kay Knockamore's gotten
• 40:59
  Speaker 14: into his head. Yeah, you know, that's something you probably
• 41:02
  Speaker 14: wouldn't have gotten an Evins era with Vince constantly screaming
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: in their ears to say this, say that, letting them guys,
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: you know, freestyle a bit leads to great moments like
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: that on commentary Obviously, like I said, the match itself,
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: you know, I don't think it was anything you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: special or anything, but it did tell the proper story
• 41:23
  Speaker 14: that it needed to. Shiskannockamore pretty much dominated the majority
• 41:27
  Speaker 14: of the match l and I can never get any
• 41:30
  Speaker 14: significant offense. He might have a moment here, a counter here,
• 41:34
  Speaker 14: hit a move there, but for the most part this
• 41:36
  Speaker 14: was wasn't called a squash, but it wasn't too far
• 41:39
  Speaker 14: off from one. Alkimore Damn show dominated him and one
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: can very convincingly. Uh what did you think about this match?
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: Doyle?
• 41:49
  Speaker 15: Well, I think we all picked La Knight to retain here,
• 41:52
  Speaker 15: right yep. But in fairness, that was before SmackDown and
• 41:57
  Speaker 15: we got to see shitnt Sky's new theme and new presentation.
• 42:01
  Speaker 15: You know, gone is the kind of weird drunk walk
• 42:08
  Speaker 15: thing he did? I don't know. Oh, and we also
• 42:15
  Speaker 15: did hadn't seen La Night attacks him, and he just
• 42:18
  Speaker 15: kind of takes a step back, hits him with the mists,
• 42:21
  Speaker 15: and then just walks off like that was fucking bad ass.
• 42:25
  Speaker 15: I'm still not sure I would have picked him to
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: win the match, but I at least would have thought
• 42:28
  Speaker 15: about it a hell of a lot more than I did.
• 42:33
  Speaker 15: Besides that, not a whole lot to add about the
• 42:35
  Speaker 15: match itself. I think Shinn Sky's music was was remixed
• 42:40
  Speaker 15: yet again from what it was on SmackDown, because I
• 42:43
  Speaker 15: listened to the two to compare a little different. I
• 42:47
  Speaker 15: think they were like I think they played it on
• 42:48
  Speaker 15: SmackDown and this is this is still a little too
• 42:52
  Speaker 15: easy to sing along to. We've better changed it again.
• 42:54
  Speaker 15: I'm not sure what happened there, Shinn Skate's mask again.
• 42:57
  Speaker 15: Also the white guy. Yeah, I did pick up on
• 43:01
  Speaker 15: Corey Graves specifically talking about how oh Elle Knight's off
• 43:06
  Speaker 15: his game. He slipped, he dropped us titally, and I
• 43:08
  Speaker 15: don't know how much of that was off the cuff,
• 43:11
  Speaker 15: or how much of that was planned, or a little
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: bit of both or what, but I thought that really
• 43:16
  Speaker 15: added to it. He really needs to whether whether or
• 43:19
  Speaker 15: not it was on purpose. He's got a fucking stop
• 43:21
  Speaker 15: with that corner. Jump, you know, especially when you've got
• 43:25
  Speaker 15: especially two or three other people on the roster that
• 43:28
  Speaker 15: do it a version of that at least and do
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: it way aboutter and execute it perfectly every single time.
• 43:34
  Speaker 15: And he seems like he's got about a sixty percent
• 43:36
  Speaker 15: success right right, Yeah, I was a little surprised at
• 43:41
  Speaker 15: how a little fight l A. Knight put up. Yeah,
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: like you said, it wasn't a squash, but it wasn't
• 43:48
  Speaker 15: too many clicks above that. Really it was kind of boring,
• 43:53
  Speaker 15: but at least it was quick. Didn't oversay it's welcome.
• 43:56
  Speaker 15: If this match had been thirteen fourteen minutes, it would
• 43:58
  Speaker 15: have been fucking brutal. I think it was just under ten,
• 44:01
  Speaker 15: which is perfect. Very interested to see where sins k
• 44:06
  Speaker 15: goes from here. I mean, his new presentation is fantastic.
• 44:10
  Speaker 15: Let's hope they can keep the momentum with that. Ellie
• 44:14
  Speaker 15: Knight's I think better as a chaser than he is
• 44:16
  Speaker 15: as a champion now that we've seen him do both. Uh, So,
• 44:21
  Speaker 15: hopefully he can retain some momentum now that he's back
• 44:25
  Speaker 15: in what I think is a better spot for him
• 44:29
  Speaker 15: chasing a title rather than having the title. I'm sure
• 44:33
  Speaker 15: there'll be a rematch to this. But I also wouldn't
• 44:37
  Speaker 15: be surprised if we find out that elle Knight had
• 44:40
  Speaker 15: the stomach flu or something that morning and just felt
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: like shit and fought through it. You know, that wouldn't
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: surprise me either, because I think I feel like something
• 44:48
  Speaker 15: is wrong with him. Who knows, Maybe that's just how
• 44:52
  Speaker 15: they booked it.
• 44:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah, get maybe he's raw bound or something.
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: Maybe he's another one of the people that Netflix one,
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: so they had to get the belt off him so
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: they can ship him off to that. Who knows, but
• 45:06
  Speaker 14: I definitely agree that he's probably better suited chasing the title.
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: Maybe that'll be the narrative moving forward. Is almost like
• 45:16
  Speaker 14: a Rocky three type of thing. You know, he faces
• 45:20
  Speaker 14: the guy the first time, gets smoked. Now he's got
• 45:22
  Speaker 14: to refocus, rebuild, improve himself, get better, get his game
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: back up, and so he can come back and regain
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: his title.
• 45:30
  Speaker 13: I don't know, work out in the mountains, that's what
• 45:33
  Speaker 13: he's got to do.
• 45:35
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I had a Tiger chickens, go find a black
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: guy to show you how to wrestle for real.
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: What are your thoughts on this one, Wayne Man?
• 45:49
  Speaker 13: You know, it's funny that we all booked l A.
• 45:51
  Speaker 13: Knight to come out of this, because you know, I didn't.
• 45:56
  Speaker 13: I really didn't see them giving it to Hinske. But
• 45:59
  Speaker 13: I guess he's gonna be getting of a push. I mean,
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: they totally changed his gimmick, you know. But he was
• 46:07
  Speaker 13: wearing red a lot, you know before him. Now he's
• 46:09
  Speaker 13: all black, and you know Darth, you know Shinske, you know.
• 46:15
  Speaker 13: I I like the new music and appreciate Arth Moody
• 46:22
  Speaker 13: Darth Moda.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:24
  Speaker 13: I do like the new entrance because uh, you know
• 46:26
  Speaker 13: his old one. You know, it was, you know, a
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: good face one that we all can sink to. And
• 46:32
  Speaker 13: I'm glad that they uh you know when he went heeled,
• 46:36
  Speaker 13: what he did is they put that Japanese rap in
• 46:38
  Speaker 13: the middle, so really mess with the music. I'm glad
• 46:41
  Speaker 13: they stick back to that. I'm glad they like totally
• 46:45
  Speaker 13: like reworked it, and it's it's working for me. The lights, everything,
• 46:50
  Speaker 13: the whole entrance. Yeah, I Doyle, I agree. I mean,
• 46:54
  Speaker 13: if you can't do the fucking move, don't do it
• 46:58
  Speaker 13: like or modify it. You know, what's wrong with taking
• 47:01
  Speaker 13: two like jumping and taking two steps up the rope
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: and doing it properly so you don't embarrass yourself and
• 47:07
  Speaker 13: said every fucking time, you're not getting any younger, dude.
• 47:11
  Speaker 13: You know, if you can't do it now, you're not
• 47:13
  Speaker 13: gonna be able to do it, you know three years
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: from now, dude, Like just I I it's embarrassing. It's
• 47:19
  Speaker 13: cringey sometimes because you just keep doing it. And you know,
• 47:22
  Speaker 13: he's I don't know, I expected every match and it's
• 47:25
  Speaker 13: a fifty to fifty chance. You know, he's he got
• 47:30
  Speaker 13: his ass whooped in this match, and he was definitely
• 47:32
  Speaker 13: not focused, like Graves said, he was definitely not focused
• 47:36
  Speaker 13: in this match at all. Uh, you know, he he
• 47:38
  Speaker 13: almost had it at the end. He does this thing
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: where he like hits his palm of his hand against
• 47:46
  Speaker 13: the other palm his other poem, Like that's his like
• 47:49
  Speaker 13: wake up taunt, I guess and uh that and that
• 47:53
  Speaker 13: shit can just go away. That shit ain't gonna catch on.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: But yeah, they use the steel on the outside between
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: the ring. You know, Schinski was able.
• 48:04
  Speaker 17: To roll out and then you know get you know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 17: l a Knight out there, lure him out there and
• 48:12
  Speaker 17: then take him out and using that steal and that's
• 48:14
  Speaker 17: how he was able.
• 48:15
  Speaker 13: To get a conchasa and take that win. I don't know.
• 48:20
  Speaker 13: I do agree, I do like l A Knight in
• 48:22
  Speaker 13: the chase. I just don't know where he goes after this.
• 48:25
  Speaker 13: Does he stick around in feud for his title? Does he?
• 48:30
  Speaker 13: You know Dave brought this up to when he was
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: at my house. It's like, no, like the Rumble's coming,
• 48:36
  Speaker 13: Like he's got to focus on the Rumble. Maybe he's
• 48:40
  Speaker 13: not going to have a United States Title match at
• 48:42
  Speaker 13: the Rumble. Maybe he's more focused on that. So we've
• 48:47
  Speaker 13: gotta remember about that with a lot of these feuds.
• 48:50
  Speaker 13: Is like, you know, our next big pay per view
• 48:53
  Speaker 13: besides that Saturday main event is the Rumble. But yeah,
• 48:58
  Speaker 13: I kind of exciting now to see where this goes.
• 49:02
  Speaker 13: I know his past United States Championship runs. I think
• 49:06
  Speaker 13: he had two of them. They were kind of lackluster,
• 49:09
  Speaker 13: and he did one as a face, he did one
• 49:11
  Speaker 13: as a heel. But this is a different shinsk and
• 49:16
  Speaker 13: I hope it's the Shinske that sticks around, the gimmick
• 49:21
  Speaker 13: that sticks.
• 49:22
  Speaker 14: So yeah, I would not be opposed at all to him.
• 49:27
  Speaker 14: If booked properly and built up to be a dominant champion,
• 49:31
  Speaker 14: I would not be opposed to him holding on to
• 49:33
  Speaker 14: this title to wrestle Iniu and having somebody have to
• 49:38
  Speaker 14: rise up to be good enough to beat him. That's
• 49:43
  Speaker 14: how you that's how you build your next generation of stars.
• 49:46
  Speaker 14: That's how you build your next generation of talent.
• 49:50
  Speaker 15: Well, what I think I'll be interesting to see going
• 49:53
  Speaker 15: with him is what they do with him promo WI.
• 49:56
  Speaker 15: So they keep him on those pre recorded, subtitled UH promos,
• 50:01
  Speaker 15: which I think worked well for him, But I do
• 50:04
  Speaker 15: question how well that's going to play for title feuds
• 50:09
  Speaker 15: if he's not there delivered, you know what I mean.
• 50:12
  Speaker 15: So that's just something I think to look forward to
• 50:15
  Speaker 15: going forward, how they're going to play that.
• 50:17
  Speaker 13: That was one of his weakest points I think was
• 50:20
  Speaker 13: his promos.
• 50:23
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean that's pretty much a weak point of
• 50:24
  Speaker 14: everybody who you know, struggles with English English language.
• 50:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I.
• 50:31
  Speaker 15: Mean ever since the SETH feud, he's been doing those
• 50:34
  Speaker 15: pre recorded UH and I think that works great for him. Yeah,
• 50:38
  Speaker 15: but I just I just questioned how that's going to translate.
• 50:43
  Speaker 14: Yeah, Well, hopefully they've they hopefully they solved that equation
• 50:46
  Speaker 14: and they can find a way to book him strong
• 50:49
  Speaker 14: and integrate those promos to you know, offset his limitations
• 50:54
  Speaker 14: and still you can make him look make him look
• 50:59
  Speaker 14: like a yeah, like a like a beast, like a
• 51:01
  Speaker 14: legitimate strong champion and not just a placeholder for the
• 51:04
  Speaker 14: time being.
• 51:06
  Speaker 10: Right, So.
• 51:10
  Speaker 14: Moving on to the next match, we had the other
• 51:14
  Speaker 14: title being defended, that the Intercontinental Championship being defended in
• 51:18
  Speaker 14: a triple threat match of bron Breaker defending against Seamus
• 51:23
  Speaker 14: and Ludwig Heiser.
• 51:26
  Speaker 13: You don't want to talk about that wonderful ad they
• 51:28
  Speaker 13: have with Otis.
• 51:29
  Speaker 10: Nope, nope, moved right the funk home from that.
• 51:38
  Speaker 13: I was dying. Oh come on, none of you guys
• 51:41
  Speaker 13: thought that ship was funny.
• 51:47
  Speaker 10: I don't need an actual Here's the thing with that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 14: It lets you say, for the top tier of peacock,
• 51:56
  Speaker 14: you're already getting commercials in between the matches that you're
• 52:00
  Speaker 14: paying for. Whatever the highest tier of peacock is. Do
• 52:02
  Speaker 14: you get whatever their little recap is, you know, hype
• 52:05
  Speaker 14: videos that we used to get back.
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: In the day, But otherwise when the matchins, you get commercials.
• 52:12
  Speaker 14: Last thing I need on top of commercials is a
• 52:15
  Speaker 14: in show commercial from fucking WW talent that should irk
• 52:19
  Speaker 14: the fun out of me.
• 52:20
  Speaker 13: We're gonna get a lot of that in Netflix.
• 52:22
  Speaker 10: I think.
• 52:25
  Speaker 13: I feel like.
• 52:26
  Speaker 14: At that probably, but that's that's TVD. But I damn
• 52:31
  Speaker 14: sure don't want that on my pos. Like, oh, here's
• 52:34
  Speaker 14: a commercial with this WW talent for this T shirty.
• 52:40
  Speaker 10: Whatever.
• 52:42
  Speaker 15: I couldn't have told you what that was commercial for.
• 52:46
  Speaker 13: I remember, I mean, obviously it's for a shirt, not
• 52:51
  Speaker 13: for pants.
• 52:52
  Speaker 15: Well fair enough. I mean, if you put it got
• 52:56
  Speaker 15: into my head, I couldn't have told you what the
• 52:57
  Speaker 15: commercial was for. I don't know if they accomplished the
• 53:03
  Speaker 15: brand recognition they were hoping for, but they did get
• 53:06
  Speaker 15: a chocole out of me.
• 53:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I got. I fucking laughed just because I was like,
• 53:11
  Speaker 13: Otis Is casually walking out with no pants, but like
• 53:14
  Speaker 13: the fact that that Tazawa and Maxine didn't say anything
• 53:18
  Speaker 13: and he just casually walks down the all like confident
• 53:24
  Speaker 13: and ship. Okay, sorry, Drey, Yeah it is what it is.
• 53:31
  Speaker 13: I have some dumb ass ship. I'm not one per center.
• 53:39
  Speaker 14: I doubt that company saw a spike in staids like,
• 53:41
  Speaker 14: oh man, look, I'll create that shirt looks on on Otis.
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna buy three mm hm.
• 53:48
  Speaker 13: But yeah, it's better than those free Otis shirts, Like,
• 53:52
  Speaker 13: how many fucking people are buying free otis shirts when
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: they go to the fucking WWE events and if they
• 53:59
  Speaker 13: do wear and when are you gonna wear a free
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: oder shirt.
• 54:04
  Speaker 14: Same same place to wearing the other wrestling shirt? You
• 54:08
  Speaker 14: doing some wrestling ship.
• 54:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah, otis ots free ots sorry, carry on.
• 54:21
  Speaker 14: In a Continental Championship triple threat, this might have been
• 54:25
  Speaker 14: the match of the night, I agree, because these motherfuckers
• 54:30
  Speaker 14: was going at it.
• 54:33
  Speaker 10: They was laying the wood to each other. It was
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: heavy hitting.
• 54:37
  Speaker 14: Lul Via Kaiser was showing a level of aggression that
• 54:40
  Speaker 14: we have not seen from him in a while. I
• 54:44
  Speaker 14: don't know, I don't know that he necessarily stood out
• 54:46
  Speaker 14: in this match, especially compared to Broun Breaker. I think
• 54:50
  Speaker 14: if anybody you know shined the most in this match,
• 54:52
  Speaker 14: it was probably Braun, given that, you know, he showed
• 54:57
  Speaker 14: how he can do aggression, he can do brawling, he
• 55:00
  Speaker 14: can do technical wrestling, he can do his athleticism, like
• 55:04
  Speaker 14: he really kind of show gave us the tole package
• 55:06
  Speaker 14: in this match, and he came out looking great, so
• 55:12
  Speaker 14: much so that the crowd even started to get behind him.
• 55:14
  Speaker 10: At a certain point in the match. It started cheering
• 55:16
  Speaker 10: him a.
• 55:17
  Speaker 14: Little bit so, and unfortunately doll Shamus came up short again.
• 55:24
  Speaker 15: You know, when Knackamoor won, I was like, ah, fuck
• 55:27
  Speaker 15: as I mean it happens. I wasn't say that. I
• 55:29
  Speaker 15: was like, that means Shamus doesn't. I mean they're not
• 55:31
  Speaker 15: they're not switching both those titles back to back.
• 55:36
  Speaker 14: Yep, unfortunately not. But uh yeah, bron did come out
• 55:41
  Speaker 14: on top. But what are your thoughts on this one?
• 55:43
  Speaker 13: Though?
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I agree with you.
• 55:46
  Speaker 15: I think this was probably the match of the night.
• 55:49
  Speaker 15: You know, I put some lofty expectations on this one,
• 55:53
  Speaker 15: comparing it to that IC title triple threat for many
• 55:55
  Speaker 15: A thirty nine, which is probably one of my favorite
• 55:59
  Speaker 15: matches in the decade thus far. It wasn't as good
• 56:02
  Speaker 15: as that match, but it was still a lot of fun,
• 56:04
  Speaker 15: I thought. Uh, I kind of disagree with you, though.
• 56:08
  Speaker 15: I thought the big takeaway for me was that if
• 56:10
  Speaker 15: you didn't think uh, Ludwig Kayes are fucking ruled before,
• 56:14
  Speaker 15: you really ought to. Now you know, as much as
• 56:18
  Speaker 15: as much as you know, four fifty splashes off the
• 56:20
  Speaker 15: top rope are impressive and everything pro wrestling, it's really
• 56:23
  Speaker 15: about the little things, uh, and I think Kaiser does
• 56:26
  Speaker 15: the little things really well, the the you know, the
• 56:30
  Speaker 15: facial expressions while you know, right before a move happens
• 56:34
  Speaker 15: where he's oh no, you know, just the little things.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 56:37
  Speaker 15: Fuck, I think he's great. Not much to say about Ron.
• 56:42
  Speaker 15: I mean, we know he's not my cup of tea,
• 56:43
  Speaker 15: but you know, his athleticism is absolutely undeniable, and this
• 56:48
  Speaker 15: was a great showcase for him. He looked great. You know,
• 56:53
  Speaker 15: It's it's hard to win a triple threat in the
• 56:54
  Speaker 15: dominant fashion, but he pretty much did that, you know.
• 57:01
  Speaker 15: And that uh, that kind of standing broad jump he
• 57:04
  Speaker 15: did from the apron to both guys on the announced
• 57:08
  Speaker 15: table was pretty impressive.
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 57:11
  Speaker 15: A lot of people can barely make that with a
• 57:13
  Speaker 15: running start. Yeah, that's pretty impressive, you know. And if
• 57:18
  Speaker 15: Braun isn't my cup of tea, seamous is my glass
• 57:20
  Speaker 15: of whiskey? Uh, you know, no, Big zig Grit of course,
• 57:23
  Speaker 15: one of my favorite of all time. I can't really
• 57:26
  Speaker 15: remember when the last time he had a bad match was.
• 57:30
  Speaker 15: And I often say about especially title matches that, uh,
• 57:34
  Speaker 15: you know, they aren't really good unless you believe, even
• 57:36
  Speaker 15: if it's just for a second, you know that the
• 57:38
  Speaker 15: underdog is gonna win. And I'm sure part of me
• 57:42
  Speaker 15: was a little blinded by sheer fanboydom, bright orange ginger
• 57:48
  Speaker 15: hair and alabaster white skin. But I bought into a
• 57:52
  Speaker 15: lot of those near falls for Shamous towards the end there. Uh,
• 57:56
  Speaker 15: he almost pinned Braun, he almost put pinned Ludwig. I
• 58:01
  Speaker 15: really bet on all those near falls. I was like, yes,
• 58:03
  Speaker 15: they're gonna do it. No, no, But I mean he
• 58:06
  Speaker 15: is gonna eventually win that title, right like.
• 58:12
  Speaker 14: Like like I said in the discord when we were
• 58:15
  Speaker 14: talking about it, I think he is a strong candidate
• 58:18
  Speaker 14: for the feel good moment of WrestleMania forty one, like
• 58:21
  Speaker 14: what we got this past year with Awesome Truth becoming
• 58:24
  Speaker 14: tag team champions after where you got. Yeah, I could
• 58:27
  Speaker 14: see that happening for Seamus, that this year's WrestleMania, he'll
• 58:31
  Speaker 14: finally capturing that title.
• 58:33
  Speaker 15: If you gave me the choice between this bunk ass
• 58:35
  Speaker 15: pay per view or WrestleMania, I'll take WrestleMania.
• 58:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 15: That made it may be a light at the end
• 58:41
  Speaker 15: of the title and Seamus cracked his ribs in the match. Yeah,
• 58:46
  Speaker 15: I believe don't know how long he'll be out if
• 58:48
  Speaker 15: he'll be out at all.
• 58:50
  Speaker 14: Yeah, And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that
• 58:52
  Speaker 14: like lud de Kaiser was lost in the saucer or
• 58:54
  Speaker 14: didn't you know, impress me at all. Like he definitely
• 58:58
  Speaker 14: showed that he can stand on his own as a
• 59:00
  Speaker 14: singles competitor whenever, you know, he does fully breakaway from Gunter,
• 59:05
  Speaker 14: like he can absolutely go in the ring. And yeah,
• 59:09
  Speaker 14: you're absolutely right about those little nuances in the subtle
• 59:13
  Speaker 14: and you know, idiosyncrasies in a match. He really understands
• 59:17
  Speaker 14: that aspect of it, like you can see him being
• 59:19
  Speaker 14: one of those great like ring psychologists, gets that all
• 59:26
  Speaker 14: day long. Definitely, it's just that I think, you know,
• 59:30
  Speaker 14: Broun just kind of outshine him a bit more in
• 59:33
  Speaker 14: this match.
• 59:34
  Speaker 10: But I'll give yeah.
• 59:37
  Speaker 15: I mean, young guys dominantly went in three triple threats
• 59:40
  Speaker 15: very often, and he I think you could say, did.
• 59:43
  Speaker 10: That yeah, and I'll give cause of this.
• 59:47
  Speaker 14: And when he Seamus hit uh Broun with that bro
• 59:51
  Speaker 14: kick and really thought he was going to get that
• 59:53
  Speaker 14: pin fucking cause of time, that ship perfectly when he
• 59:57
  Speaker 14: slid that damn referee out that bring.
• 59:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yes, it was seemless.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 14: It was like his almost It wasn't like he stopped
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 14: and had to wait to get pulled nothing. I mean
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 14: that almost coming down and she was out of the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 14: ring snatched. So you know that was probably, you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 14: a part of the match that you wouldn't think would
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 14: stand out, but it did stand out just because how
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 14: clean it was. So I definitely, guys, is definitely on
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 14: my radar of people to probably people to watch in
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 14: twenty twenty five.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 10: What are your thoughts on this? Hop in here, d Wayne?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 13: Yeah, man as quality? Why is this was definitely the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 13: match of the night. Like it's just three men just
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 13: beaten slapping each other's meat. I was just saved. Yeah,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 13: I was gonna I almost said it just you know
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 13: what I mean, Uh, it's I love triple threat matches
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 13: because look how many close calls we had during this match,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 13: Like you said, you were on the edge of your seat,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 13: and we didn't have that for the rest of the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 13: evening on anything, because we kind of knew most of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 13: the outcomes or the outcomes were really shitty or they
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 13: were roll ups or I don't know, they just weren't
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 13: as they weren't as good as this. This was fucking
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 13: war games, right, here. This was these men went to war,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 13: and uh you know, Bron was going on. He was
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 13: going full speed this entire match. I mean there was
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 13: one spot where he they were by the announced tables
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 13: and Broun. Broun just jumps out of frame and I
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 13: just I just like I thought that guy flew across
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 13: the damn screen like he just took out Ludwig. Ludwig
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 13: Kaiser's definitely I agree, Dre. This guy can stand on
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 13: his own and match like this definitely proved it, uh I.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 13: I you know, I want to see him do some
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 13: more singles matches like this. I mean, he's in the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 13: mid card titles now, right, like this is what he's
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 13: competing for. Let's let's a year ago. I didn't think
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 13: this man would be competing for mid card title. And
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 13: Shamus like so close, Doyle, so close, we almost had it.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 13: They had me believe in it several fucking times with
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 13: all these close calls. And I think when Ludwig pulled
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 13: the rough house, probably when I stood up because I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 13: got pissed. I was like, ah, are you fucking kidding me?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 13: Because it had me on the edge of my seat too.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 13: You know, Bron breaker during that double clothesline from outside
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 13: the ring onto the the announced table taking out the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 13: two guys. That was great. The the the beating, the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 13: ballery on the two guys on the side of the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 13: you know.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 15: He did the Undertaker coming up behind a yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 15: that was pretty good.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 13: It was pretty good. Sometimes they do it too much,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 13: because I think another good one was Keith Lee. They
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 13: did an n XT that was a really good one.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 13: But yeah, this one where he just shows up behind him. Uh,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 13: oh my god. As I'm watching this match, I see
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 13: all the ads on the sides of the ring, apron.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 10: On the side of the.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 13: Uh, the barrier. We never had as many logos on
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 13: the side of the barrier as we did in the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 13: Survivor series. Holy crap. So if you guys want to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 13: go see the Sonic Three, I think they shoved it
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 13: down our throats enough.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and I'm gonna go see that motherfucker that look dope.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 13: Yeah yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 18: Uh.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 13: And then the the Chalelee that I think that's what
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 13: did it for the Ribs, right if if we're guessing
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 13: that's what broke.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 15: I mean he always shows a picture of his back
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 15: after Oh my god, yeah.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 13: Yeah, he was fucked up. You know, like Seames is
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 13: in that. You know, we're talking like the end here,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 13: Shames is in the ring. He's holding those ribs and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 13: I'm like, god damn, like, this is it. Do you
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 13: just gotta do one bro kick? This is it? Man,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 13: it's gonna coming from the spear and you're just gonna
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 13: lift your leg up and you're gonna ah shit. And
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 13: he spired and I was like, that's it. I was like,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 13: that's it. One two three, I'm like all right. I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 13: was like, okay, Bron. They made Broun look fucking really
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 13: good in this match. I mean, this guy, I wonder
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 13: who he's gonna go against next. You know who his
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 13: next few is going to be. I mean, is it
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 13: these guys on a singles end or are we getting
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 13: some fresh meeting here for the inter title or did
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 13: we Did they touch on that a little bit during Raw?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 14: I couldn't recall I don't recall Broun getting He didn't
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 14: get a noteworthy segment if he was on Raw at all.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 14: I think they just what he had a break, a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 14: brief moment with Adam Pearce or something like that.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 10: Sweet everything what.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 13: I think, and had a verbal confrontation backstage, that's about it. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 13: but yeah, I don't know where the IC titles gonna
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 13: go from here. But I mean, as of now, our
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 13: mid car titles or I think, are in good hands.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 10: So yeah, definitely.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 14: So yeah, bron is not He's not a full on
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 14: baby face. He's not a full on heel either. That
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 14: he's in that gray area where Yeah, probably where the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 14: fans are with him depends on whose opponent is.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and vastly two different styles you know of wrestling
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 13: between the two mid cart champions. Yeah, there's a few
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 13: like spears in this match that bron does that like
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 13: I just can't believe, like the clearance he gets, like
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 13: the distance, like the air, like when I expect next year,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 13: in the next two K game, his spear to be
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 13: its own separate move. You know, when you go through
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 13: the spear list, there's always like Goldberg spear, there's Fatista,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 13: there's Edges spear, there's the standard spear. You know, there's
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 13: the generic spirit or whatever. But no, bron Breaker needs
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 13: his own fucking spear because it is unique. The man
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 13: looks like he's fucking flying.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 14: He don't get quite the same amount of momentum as
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 14: he did when he first debuted on Raw, though he's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 14: kind of dited back, you know, a couple of miles
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 14: per hour.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah, but I mean this match specifically, it looked like
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 13: he just flew a lot, like I mean, maybe he
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 13: was told to dial it down a bit, or you know,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 13: so it doesn't hurt people. I don't know.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 14: Maybe it seems like be Goober when he first debuted
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 14: on Raw, he was fucking he was hitting umber up
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 14: so hard people would tell that he was actually shifting
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 14: the ring.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 13: Yeah, maybe that's why the fucking people under the ring like, hey,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 13: hey they get easy.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 14: Maybe so, but that's to me, that's kind of what
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 14: made his spirit special, was the seer speed he.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 10: Had behind it. Yeah, but it is what it is.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 14: If I could pick this match any in the slightest bit,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 14: it's not necessarily for the match itself, but just the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 14: simple fact that it was on this War Games pl
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 14: and for the entire night you had two rings. I'm
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 14: not saying every match had to take advantage of it,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 14: but if there was one that warranted it, it's a
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 14: damn triple threat match.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 10: I'm not saying that.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 14: You know, they had to fight across both rings, and
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 14: that both races should be you know, considered legal.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 10: I get it.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 14: You know, you're in the one ring. If you're outside
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 14: of the ring, technically you're being counted out. So what
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 14: if these muffers can sit here and brawl for damn
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 14: five minutes outside of the ring, and somehow the referee
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 14: can't count to ten in five fucking minutes, the damn
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 14: somebody can roll into the other ring and y'all can
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 14: take advantage of this opportunity that you get once a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 14: year to do some unique spots involving both rings.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 13: Yeah, So like if I if you if I'm in
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 13: a wrestling match and there's two rings and I roll
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 13: out into the other ring, does the ten count start
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 13: because I'm taking another ring?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 15: I would think technically yes, but outside of those ropes
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 15: and the designated ring.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 14: Yeah, but if it even if it doesn't, I mean,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 14: it depends on how you did decide to book it.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 14: But if if the other ring is there, fucking use it,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 14: even if it's just for a spot here and there,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 14: Like say, you know, like Louvicr's cause is getting whailed on.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 14: He decides to roll out into the other ring just
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 14: to get away from him. Let Broun hit the fucking
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 14: ropes and dive across both ropes and hit him with
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 14: a clothes line, like something like, you have this unique
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 14: opportunity that you only get again once a year at
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 14: this pl E take advantage of that to do some
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 14: unique shit, to make these matches special, make these matches
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 14: stand out. It's like, to me, it's just a missed
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 14: opportunity there.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, And can you imagine though, like if you,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 13: you know, pay tickets to go see you know, Survivor series,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 13: but you're sitting on the ring that's not being used,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 13: He'll hit that end like fuck, like, come down here,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 13: I can't see.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 14: Well, yeah, they did do a good job at least
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 14: alternating back, but given that there was an odd number
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 14: of matches, you know, depend on what side you were on,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 14: you kind of got shifted because the schinsk l a
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 14: Knight match was on the in the ring closest to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 14: the ramps, whereas the Triple Threat match was on the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 14: ring closest to the announcers. And then the next match,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 14: which we can move on to now if we're done
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 14: with the i C title match, was World Heavyweight Championship
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 14: match going through defending against Damian Priest, which took place
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 14: in the ring closer to the RAMS.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 10: This match was.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 14: H depending on how you feel about the main event.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 14: I'll say it was probably the third best match of
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 14: the match of the night. But it was a really
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 14: good match. I almost want to give it the slight
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 14: edge over the men's wargame match, but I won't go
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 14: quite that far.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 10: But I don't think it was too far behind it either.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 14: I thought this was a really good match with Damien
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 14: Priest and Gunter just beating an absolute.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 10: Dog shit out of each other, and.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 14: Gunter wound up winning due to some outside interference from
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 14: Finn Balor taking advantage of what I take advantage but
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 14: to attacking Damien Priests outside the ring after Damien fell
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 14: went off the top rope to the outside, appearing to yes,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 14: oh exascerbate the shoulder that he hurt hurt earlier in
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 14: the match. And then Finn takes that chance to you know,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 14: hitting with the Koudo grah to which Gunter was done
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 14: to appreciative of as he proceeded to boot fucking Finn
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 14: Balor out of the damn match, kick him dead in
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 14: the fucking face, so you know, and another layer to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 14: Gunter's character because clearly, you know, he may still be
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 14: a heel for now, but he has enough integrity as
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 14: a wrestler, and it fed into the storyline that you know,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 14: he was, you know, losing his edge or losing.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 10: His confidence or something like that.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 14: He wanted to beat Damian Priest clean, so the fact
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 14: that Finn got involved in it clearly pissed him off.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 14: But he's still a heel, so he ain't gonna let
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 14: the opportunity to go to waste. So he dance showed
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 14: through Damien the Priests in the ring and fucking choked
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 14: his aster hell out in quick order.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 10: Afterwards.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 13: M Hm, I'm so close right with how I said
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 13: this match was gonna end. I said it was he
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 13: was gonna tap out, and I did say Finn Bala
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 13: would interfere, But I was like, ah, so close, so close?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 10: Hey, go on, what was you? Go ahead? What is
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 10: your thoughts? Oh?
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 13: Okay, I mean yeah, dude, Like there's two big dudes.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 13: So like I was excited about seeing like Gunter wrestles
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 13: somebody else who's roughly his size, you know, like you know,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 13: Gunthro is the guy who kind of you know uses
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 13: his weight and pushes people around and slaps him around.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 13: But when you finally got another guy in the ring
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 13: who's just about the same size, who can hit just
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 13: as hard, you know, or when you go to clothesline
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 13: can actually stand there and take it, you got to
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 13: change up your style. And Gunther did just that, working
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 13: on that shoulder, working on that left arm of Damien's.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 13: You know, you know Damian, I think Damien one of
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 13: his finishers is the is it the South of Heaven
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 13: choke slam or whatever. And you know, if you know
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 13: what your opponent's finisher is, you know what it takes
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 13: for them to do it. You start weakening those joints,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 13: those those body parts, and you just work on them.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 13: And that's what Gunther did. And and you're right, Guntherer
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 13: didn't want anybody to interfere in this match. You wanted
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 13: Gunser has you know, he has honor for being a villain,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 13: you know, like a you know, I say villain because uh,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 13: because that's what he really is. You know, heeal good guy,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 13: bad guy, villain, hero, whatever however you want to see it.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 13: He just wanted to win him, beat him straight up, right,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 13: beat him clean, because you know, his last pay per
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 13: view didn't go so well. You know, he seems like
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 13: him and Ludwig Kaiser kind of button heads just a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 13: little bit. So it seems like Imperium's having a little trouble.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 13: You know, he couldn't grasp the intercontinental title and bring
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 13: it back to Imperium. You also have good Through losing
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 13: against Cody Rhoades recently, and you know that that's got
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 13: to hurt that guy because he hasn't lost that much.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 13: He's only lost two matches this year, really, right, he
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 13: lost his an air continental title and he lost his
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 13: last match against another champion. Now he knows he is
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 13: not the best in the world, like, you know, the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 13: best of the champions, and I think that just kind
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 13: of got to him, you know.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 14: Uh.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 13: But yeah, you know, it seems like we're getting Finn
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 13: Balor and Damian Priest feud one on one feud. Also,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 13: it seemed after Monday though, it seemed that kind of
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 13: Finn Ballad inserted himself in with Gunter. So this might
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 13: turn into a triple threat down the road. Who knows,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 13: it's three guys who just don't like each other. And
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 13: that's how wonderful triple threats were, And there's a title involved,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 13: so I mean it would be great to see Finn
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 13: Balor in the world title picture.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 10: Again.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 13: I didn't expect Damian Priest to walk out with the title,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 13: but I think he put on a pretty damn good
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 13: match and a good story here. Yeah, I'd probably say
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 13: like the second or third best match.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 10: Of the night. Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 14: I think a triple threat match between Damian Priest, Finn
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 14: and going through for the World Headweight Championship would be
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 14: a damn good match. I just don't know how many
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 14: times I want to watch Damien Priest lose.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 10: You know, you can only lose.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 14: You can only challenge and lose so many times before
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 14: you lose your credibility as an excuse me as a contender.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 14: So I don't know, kind of split on that, Like
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 14: I do want to see the match because I think
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 14: it would be a great match. Man, I don't know
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 14: if I want to see it if Damien Priest is
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 14: going to lose again, especially up getting pinned.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 13: Especially like Monday after all, like when Finn Baler came
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 13: out and give him like three coup de grass to,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 13: you know, to goonther and kind of like I was like,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 13: oh shit, dude, Like all right, Finn's back in the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 13: world title scene. I'm like, I'm okay with that. I mean,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 13: he hasn't been in it for a while. He's been
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 13: uh actually since he's been in Judgment Day, he hasn't
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 13: really floundered with the world title scene. So I'm all
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 13: for it. I mean, yeah, people got to remember that.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 10: Oh you need to come up off that World tag
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 10: Team title first though.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Uh, you know, It's it's funny
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 13: because a lot of people just don't remember that Finn
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 13: Balor is a world champion. Like it's been a while.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 10: Yeah, how long ago did they get them damn belts.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 13: Dude, the tag titles? Yeah, since they were split.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 10: I think it's been a while, like not too long
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 10: after WrestleMania.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and it really sucks that we got the title split.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 10: They didn't get him awesome truth did get get them
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 10: to have them for a while.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 13: But yeah, that's right.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 14: I mean, Balery and Madonna have had those titles at
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 14: least since the summer.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and the title there's just nothing being done with them,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 13: and it's like, why we have you have so much
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 13: talent that's just probably not doing ship. I mean, like,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 13: what did they bring back the Vikings Raiders recently war Raiders. Yeah,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 13: war Raiders. What the fuck? What about those guys you're
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 13: building up this tag team? You know, I don't know, SmackDown.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 13: I think they don't think is having such a big
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 13: issue with their tag titles because they have the.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah defended there moving around and now they got him
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 14: in the hands of the I about to call them
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 14: Motherfucker's machine gun Kelly.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 10: Machine Gun, motor City motor City machine gun guns.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, still getting used to the name. Uh yeah,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 13: at least that is being moved around and you know
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 13: people are actually competing for it. But yeah, dude, I
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 13: hate when I see titles on champions and nothing gets
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 13: done with them. It's it's just like a waste of
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 13: your title run, Like do you want that to be
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 13: looked upon as your title run?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 15: Like?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 13: Come on, Like, okay, Logan Pool held a nice States title, right,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 13: how many times did he defend it? Twice?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 10: You know that?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 13: Yeah exactly. So like when people are like, oh, he
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 13: was a champion, yet not really not a defending champion,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 13: not a fighting champion.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 10: He held the built, held the champion, he held the build.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 13: Yeah you know what I mean? Like, and then you
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 13: got you got guys who like when exactly new?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 15: I mean, Roman Reigns had it for three years, right
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 15: and he you know, they would show those lists, you know,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 15: comparing him with the Bruno run and the Bob Ackland run,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 15: and you know it would be title defenses eight hundred
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 15: and fifty, Roman Reigns thirty two.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 14: Yea, yeah, which which sure, But we're also talking about
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 14: two vastly different times and professional wrestaurants, you know, trying
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 14: to compare Romans to those guys where they were working
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 14: seven days a week and this and a third and
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 14: at least.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 15: This notion of championships not being defended very often isn't
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 15: really that new. It's kind we've kind of been been,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 15: uh moving that direction for quite a while, you know,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 15: Jack Tunney announcing that someone's was stripped because they couldn't
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 15: defend it within thirty days or or long long gone.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that is valid.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 14: But I think it's also a bit more acceptable for
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 14: the top title to be, you know, less more more
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 14: seldomly defended because it's the top title. You know, somebody
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 14: has to earn, that has to work the way up
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 14: to that. And with Roman, at a certain point. He
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 14: had reached a point of being so untouchable and had
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 14: gone over so many people that you know, it didn't
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 14: make sense realistically, It didn't make sense for somebody to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 14: be challenging him every single month for that damn belt.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 14: He had reached that level of you know, invincibility. It
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 14: it was warranted for him, it felt earned. He earned
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 14: that rarity. You know, tag team champions haven't done that
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 14: when they just got the belt. You know, you're you're
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 14: not a state champion or you're in a continental champion.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 14: These are your workhorse titles. They haven't earned that.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 14: The only other person I could think of that you
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 14: could even say came close to earning that level of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 14: seldom titled defenses would have been Gunter during his IC run,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 14: you know, having held it for like because he had
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 14: it for over a year and a half, almost approaching
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 14: two years, so you know he had earned that. But
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 14: people who you know, just got the title only held
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 14: it for a couple of months. Nah, y'all need to
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 14: be putting in that work. But what were just also
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 14: on this match though, Doyle, Oh.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 15: Well, I fell asleep while I was airing live. Have
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 15: to tell you what I thought of at least the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 15: opening of the match. God, this took fucking forever to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 15: get going. Once it did, though, it was good enough,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 15: kind of a typical gun To match. I don't really
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 15: necessarily mean that in a bad way. You know, Gunter
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 15: worked the shoulder. Nobody really does that except for him,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 15: anymore isolated body part worked. You know, he's kind of
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 15: the only last of a dying breedge, shall we say?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 15: But then they fucking run back the exact same finish
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 15: they did at Summer Slam, more or less, and it
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 15: basically ruined the whole fucking match For me. Honestly, it
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 15: just was like, what the hell was the point? You know,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 15: it's time for both of these guys to move on.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 15: We got gun through and Finn, which would be a
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 15: banger at Saturday Night's main event, but somebody said it already.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 15: You know what's gonna happen. Damian Priest is gonna interfere
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 15: with that, and then they're gonna have a three way
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 15: uh probably at Raw, the first Raw on Netflix, I
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 15: would imagine. And it's just like, yeah, a good point
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 15: about I think Dray said good point about Priests. I mean,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 15: I think he can lose matches, but he should get
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 15: out of the title scene if he's going to be
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 15: losing matches, because he's not doing him any favor. But
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 15: I am looking forward to gun through Finn, but it's
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 15: gonna be great for ten minutes and then Damian Priest
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 15: is gonna come down and ruin, So it's just like,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 15: what's the point. So I don't know. I hope. I
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 15: think Finn is one of those guys that kind of
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 15: similar to Knockamore, where you can kind of heat them
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 15: back up fairly easily. You know, they can sit on
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 15: the backboarder for a while. And you know Kevin Owens
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 15: is the same way. He what do they keep saying
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 15: he hasn't had a world title in how many years?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 15: Seven or something like that, But but you just try
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 15: to heat up on him and boom, he's in the
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 15: title scene and could believably win a title tomorrow if.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 10: They want, you know.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 15: And I think something's kind of rare air there, But
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 15: I think Knockamore is in there, and I think I
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 15: think Finn is the same way. So I hope that
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 15: this means Finn's back up in the title picture for
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 15: at least a cup of coffee. And maybe we can
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 15: get him something a little more interesting to do than
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 15: not defend the tag Bolts.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 10: Agree.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 14: Yeah, he's definitely one of those guys who is who
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 14: has that instant champion credibility about him, Like you said
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 14: that two.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 15: Weeks boom, he's right back at the main.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 10: Event level exactly. Definitely that.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 14: I mean, I don't know that people look at it
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 14: and think that he could be the guy to take
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 14: down Gunzer, but he could definitely put on a match
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 14: that would make you think, oh shit, might he pull
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 14: this off?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 15: This?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, he definitely has that that about him that
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 14: he could do that with anybody in all facing him
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 14: for the first time, and then could easily, you know,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 14: build off of that momentum to actually become a champion.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 14: So that only leaves one match left and that would
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 14: be the main events the Men's War Games, Bloodline Civil
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 14: War Part What are we on twelve now or something?
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 14: But uh, the og blood line of Roman reigns, the
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 14: USO's and Sammy along with their mercenary Sea and Punk
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 14: taking on the new blood line Type Oh Negative Solo Sokoa,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 14: Jacob Fasu, Tamatanga and Toangalore and their Mercenary ronson reed.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 14: This match was definitely better than the women's War Games
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 14: match for certain, And yeah, there was definitely strong storytelling
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 14: elements in this match, without question, between especially on the
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 14: OG blood line side, with the tension between Punk and
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 14: Roman and Punk you know, agitating the the OG blood lined,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 14: I mean the blood line two point over. When he
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 14: came out and fucking who was Bronson that he mushed
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 14: in the face. He got them all riled up.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 13: Yeah, dude, that was unscripted. He like went off the
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 13: cuff to do that shit. I kind of like that
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 13: because you know what's funny is when he was they
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 13: were coming out, I was like, man, that's what I
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 13: would do. I'd go there and slap one of those
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 13: fuckers in the face because they're in the cage. You
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 13: can't do nothing. I taunt him. That's exactly what he did.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 10: I was like, hell yeah, yeah, And I think that
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 10: was good work on his end.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 14: You know, I love a lot of people try to
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 14: hook on him by it like he's going off script
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 14: and he's being problematic.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah yah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 14: As long as Bronson Reid was okay with it and
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 14: management was okay with it? Then who the fuck cares?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 14: And I don't think that punk well, I could see
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 14: him going off scripted, improvising, I don't think he would
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 14: be so brazen as to have done that without either
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 14: a having said something to Bronson like hey, you know,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 14: maybe not setting out in the management, but like just
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 14: going up the rosson one on one like hey man,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 14: when I come out and do such and such, you
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 14: okay with that?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 10: Alright?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 14: Cool, or at least feeling like he had a decent
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 14: enough relationship with Bronson to say that he could do
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 14: that even if it was off script and it wouldn't
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 14: turn into a thing backstage, because obviously we ain't hearing
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 14: nothing about, you know, any postmatch confrontation between them or
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 14: Broster got pissed.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 10: I'm like, hey man, what the fuck was that shit
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 10: all about? You ain't hear nothing about that.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 14: All you hear is that he improvised smart on his end,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 14: and you know that's that's a veteran understanding. How to
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 14: you know, add something extra to a match, how to
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 14: help really build things up and really amp up the
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 14: tension and the beef between these two that help bring
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 14: that extra level of energy to it. That's pretty much
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 14: how I read it, and I thought it was very
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 14: smart on his end to do that in the beginning,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 14: because it definitely helped, you know, you know, take things
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 14: up a notch.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 14: I'm honestly surprised that Jay was the last one to
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 14: come out, although even that he was starting off the
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 14: match and made sense.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 15: I think they wanted to get that entrance into.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 10: Oh definitely the like again, no yeats shall be gone
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 10: to waste.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 14: Surprisingly, a lot of all the matches, though you know,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 14: this one apparently resulted in the most casualties.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 10: Is a lot of people came out injured.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 14: Between what Jimmy usso broke a toe and doing his
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 14: splash off the top. Rosson Reid unfortunately appeared to maybe
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 14: funk up his ankles doing his tsunami.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 14: Jacobatu watched them spot and apparently looked like he was
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 14: the most worst for wear out of it.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 10: But apparently he was just really selling his ass off
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 10: on it.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 15: Yeah, every matches and I'm like, oh, ship, I think
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 15: Jacob is actually injured.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 14: No right, and props to him because he'd be convincing
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 14: the funk out of everybody when he hey yeah, second, yeah,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 14: the second time he's appeared to be injured and had
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 14: everybody thinking, oh shit, he really fucked up. And it
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 14: turns out he's not that bad, or he'll be in
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 14: a fucking walking boot and still beating the ship out
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 14: of everybody.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 18: Right.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 14: But you know, obviously the biggest honestly surprised all of
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 14: because I think.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 10: We all picked blood line two point oh to win,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 10: didn't we?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 16: Yeah?
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 14: Yeah, And the Ogs went over and went over in
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 14: a pretty standard baby face finished, you know, solo isolated,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 14: everybody hit they finisher, Rowan finishes them off with the
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 14: spear one two three, and then they all walk out celebrate.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 14: You know, Phil, I mean Punk has his moment with
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 14: Paul's saying, you know, I'm ready when I need that favor,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 14: I'm gonna call on it, and Paul James says, you
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 14: know you got it. No postmas Shenanigans, no if you smell,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 14: no rock know nothing, just posing and off the air,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 14: which was I think probably the biggest surprise of all
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 14: that we didn't get anything. It was just a standard match,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 14: good guys win. So the question now is where does
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 14: everybody go from here? On both sides? Honestly, doll what
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 14: are your thoughts.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 15: Well, First of all, those fucking NFL style intros they
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 15: did before the match were the cheesiest, cringe worthy, cringe
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 15: worthiest fucking thing I've ever seen.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 10: I thought that was cool. They were brutal.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I thought they were pretty cool and creative, and
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 14: I want to not be state on a shirt immediately.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 15: The only the only two the only things I liked
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 15: where Jimmy could barely get the words out because he
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 15: was trying not to laugh so hard when he goes
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 15: quarterback Yu no University. That was pretty funny and uh
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 15: and promptsed to Tangaloa for actually just going you tap
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 15: just set his alma mater. I know that was pretty funny. Yeah,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 15: but this match definitely suffered from the weight of expectations,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 15: you know, just like Jay, just like you just said,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 15: not so much about what happened, It's about what didn't happen.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 15: You know, Punk could be trusted. Haymond didn't turn. Uh,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 15: Sammy didn't turn, Jacob Fatto didn't turn, Nobody returned, nobody,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 15: you know, we didn't get the rock. Nobody really did
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 15: anything except for Solo, who looked fucking goofy as fuck.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 15: It looked like when they said when they show here's
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 15: what happened on Raw after the you know, cameras went
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 15: off and they show, you know, four babyfaces doing their
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 15: finish to the Heel or whatever, like man buried the
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 15: fuck out of him.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 10: I thought, like, I.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 13: Don't know where he go Like, hey, you know, but
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 13: that he kind of got away last time. He was
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 13: able to slip away last time when they cornered him,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 13: So I kind of feel like he got his comeuppins finally.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 15: But it's just like it's like they just dropped the
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 15: fucking house on him, though, you know, Like I just
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 15: I don't know where he goes. I think we all
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 15: agreed that the Heels needed to win, and I still
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 15: feel that way, you know, I just I don't see
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 15: what the hell the point was of putting the bloodline over,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 15: especially without Shenanigans of some kind. Like I truly am
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 15: perplexed by this booking decision. But I mean, this had
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 15: a lot of it was it was better than the
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 15: women's match, but it had a lot of the same problems.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 15: It was too long. I think I think it was
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 15: twenty minutes after the final man came in, it was
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 15: another twenty minutes out and it's just like Jesus enough,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 15: it's way too much laying around. At least they didn't
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 15: rely on weapons the way the women and did, so
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 15: that's a positive for them. But fucking Jacob fat Too
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 15: is a motherfucking beast. I don't know how much longer
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 15: he can keep playing second fiddle to Solo when he
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 15: is just clearly, in my mind anyway, just head and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 15: shoulders better in every conceivable way to Solo. Sorry, Solo,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 15: I'm not trying to knock him too much. I think
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 15: he's very good. But Jacob fat Too is just you know,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 15: I don't know, when you see a movie and you
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 15: know the character just jumps off the screen, you know,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 15: like he just yeah, he's like the old meme, who
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 15: are you?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 10: I'm you?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: But better?
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 13: Yeah?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 13: I mean.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 15: The only thing other thing that I would add was,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 15: I guess we have three now ongoing mysteries. I guess
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 15: four because we never found out who Jay's attacker was,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 15: did we Nope?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 14: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, well seemingly yes, based upon raw
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 14: what people are thinking, although it's not confirmed.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 15: Yes, so we got we got who attacked Jay. I
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 15: guess we have one of the rockhand Cody who attacked Jade,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 15: And now what is the favor? And earlier in the
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 15: episode when I said we might have something to talk
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 15: about that, I think we'll just organically reveal itself.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 10: This is what I was talking about.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 15: What do we think the favor was? Because right now,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 15: I don't think Paul Hayman has anything Punk wants.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 10: Does he?
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 15: Like I would think it's going to revolve around the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 15: title somehow. I wouldn't think he'd want to match with
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 15: Roman Reigns just for the hell of it, right, like
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 15: Roman get that title back?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 13: Or I think Punk wants Paul Hayman because I don't know.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 13: You think when when Punk left, right where he was
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 13: in the company, he was with Paul Hayman, he was
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 13: he was is well. Where he thought he was going
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 13: was trying the main event WrestleMania. That's where he wanted
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 13: to go. I wonder if they're gonna basically get him what's.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 15: That That's the other that would be my other guest
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 15: if it doesn't evolve around the title, which generally the
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 15: main event of WrestleMania revolves around the title. Yeah, but
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 15: it would be it would be get him into the
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 15: main event of WrestleMania somewheah.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 13: It's just like the wrong let's want to back on track.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 13: Well that's what I thought. It was, like, Okay, we're
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 13: gonna put you back on track to where you were
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 13: when you left, like you.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 10: Had you had it all.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 13: He like he was at the time one of the
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 13: longer running champions at four hundred and thirty eight days.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 13: He had Paul Haymon and he was on you know,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 13: and then of course then that's when the Rock came in.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 13: And but at least he he got you know, the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 13: Undertaker before he left, but wasn't the main event though.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 13: But I don't know, I yeah, I really don't know
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 13: what it could be, Doyle, what what the favor is.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 13: I thought the favor was that to have Paul Haymon
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 13: with him, and you know, like now Roman lost his
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 13: wise man. So that's what sparked the because in this match,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 13: I saw it. I saw the you know, Roman and
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 13: Punk did not get along right from the get go.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 13: And you know, these are two guys who had some
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 13: beef in the past. But you know, since we got
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 13: this new iteration of Roman and and you know returning Punk,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 13: like Punk hasn't been around Roman these past three years,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 13: and when he did come back.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 15: The Shield were originally brought in they were seeing Punk's mercenaries.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 13: Yeah, well that's right, but I'm talking like as of late,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 13: like you know, during that whole three years of Roman
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 13: and and the Bloodline just running havoc through the roster,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 13: like seeing Punk is one of those few people that
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 13: wasn't touched by the Bloodline, and there's not many people
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 13: on the roster who are exactly So that's that's another
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 13: reason why he was such a good neutral, you know
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 13: pick for this like like oh shit, Like that's right.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 13: Punk doesn't really have any kind of beef with the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 13: Bloodline really, like he hasn't really been inserted any storylines.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 13: But what connects them, Paul Hammond connects them the the
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 13: Wise Man, because you know, we've talked about it last episode.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 13: Like he managed a lot of other wrestlers, but you know,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 13: most importantly besides brock Lesnar, you know, Roman and Siampunk
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 13: I think were the two biggest other wrestlers he managed.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 13: So I saw in this match two guys who didn't
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 13: like each other, but then you know, you know, worked
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 13: together for the sake of Hayman and this match and
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 13: when fucking Punk pulled you know, Roman off of that
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 13: table before that's that Gigantics tsunami splash, which by the way,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 13: is probably what shattered uh Bronson Reid's ankles.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 10: I think video out there of him, it looks like
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 10: he absolutely wrecks his ankles right.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 13: Right, and like even in the middle of the match,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 13: like you know, when when Roman got in all the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 13: the og blood lines on one side, he got the
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 13: new blood line on the other. You know, there's Roman
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 13: picking up Jay, picking up Jimmy, you know, picking up
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 13: his boys, and then he goes over he picks up Sammy,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 13: but he walks past Punk. You know, he doesn't help
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 13: him up. But uh, you know, after Punk saves his
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 13: ass and he didn't have to, but he did it
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 13: for for the sake of the match. And and when
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 13: he saved his ass there at the end, that's when
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 13: he you know, extended the hand and like you know,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 13: there's some respect there. But I still think from when
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 13: they got in that cage together and then you know
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 13: when Punk went to go out and Rowan put his
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 13: hand on his chest like you ain't going out, like
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 13: you know, Punk hasn't been around, like you know, like
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 13: Punk's like, I don't have to respect you. I wasn't
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 13: here when you were tribal chief. You know, I don't know.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 10: I just this.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 13: Punk probably just looks at it differently, like I don't
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 13: look at you as the tribal chief because you weren't
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 13: the tribal chief, you know when I was here, Because
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 13: you know, Punk really hasn't messed around with too many
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 13: guys since he's been back. And uh, I don't know.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 13: I just thought, I I like this match. I just
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 13: it sucks. It wasn't the best one of the night.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 13: It should have been. The storyline was good, this is
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 13: what we were leading up to. Could we have done
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 13: this match without Bronson to seem punk? Sure, that's kind
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 13: of what we wanted. We also thought about, oh well,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 13: maybe they're gonna add more Samoans or more Bloodline members
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 13: the rock? Where's the rock? Where's the interference from seth Rollins?
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 13: You know where seth Rawlinson during all of this? Where's
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 13: where's brock Lesnar?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 15: You know?
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 13: We got none of that, none of that? And I
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 13: was still okay with it. I was okay with it.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 13: I was okay with how it And I know, Doyle,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 13: you didn't like it, but I was just like happy
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 13: to see Solo get his comeuppance. But I agree, though, Like,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 13: where the hell does the losing bloodline go? Like, because
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 13: this bloodline came out separately. Solos group came out together,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 13: even with Bronson, but the Ogs came out all separately.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 13: And you know that's saying something. And uh you know
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 13: now that I I guess they're back on their individual shows, right,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 13: Jimmy and Sammy are back on Raw and Jimmy and
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 13: Roman are back on SmackDown. Uh, so, like, you know,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 13: where where do we go? Where do we go from here? Rumble?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 13: I mean, it's gonna be every Simoon for himself.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 15: I just had a though, go go for it. Well,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 15: we were talking earlier about Netflix wants so and so
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 15: and so and so. Surely they want Roman rains a
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 15: way to get Roman reigns. Maybe for Punk to have
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 15: Hyman pull the strings to get him moved over to Raw.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah, favor, Like, how does that benefit punkin anyway? Like
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 10: what does that do for Punk?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 15: I don't know, I'm just falling.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 14: Yeah, we're all pretty certain that the favor is going
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 14: to involve roaming in some way shape performed. That's the
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 14: only way that the favor has any real impact. I
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 14: think it's gonna involve Paul Haymen having to take something
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 14: away from Roman and giving it to Punk, Like that's
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 14: gonna be the favorite he's gonna call, and that's gonna
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 14: set up a huge conflict between Punk or something, and
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 14: Punk's like, I'm right right, Like Roman wins the rumble
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 14: or the elimination chamber. And then see a Punk shows
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 14: up and says, hey, Paul calling in my favor, and
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 14: you said, remember you said, whatever.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 10: It is, I got it.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 14: You'll make it happen, no questions asked. Here's what I
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 14: want his title shot. That's pretty good. And then now
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 14: we got a fucking problem because Romans like bitch, ain't
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 14: no fucking way I'm coming up off of that, And
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 14: Paul's like, I owe him, I promised.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 10: Him, YadA YadA.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 14: Like to me, that seems like it seems fairly obvious
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 14: because that's the thing that has the most impact, It
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 14: would be the most meaningful based upon the story that
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 14: we've already gotten so far. That'd be my theory on
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 14: what the payer is going to be.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 13: I mean, he's lost his title, he's lost his bloodline,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 13: he lost his ulafala, you know, and but he got
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 13: the he's got his bloodline temporarily back. But does the
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 13: Wise Man is the wise Man back? Though he's the
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 13: wise Man back full time? Because if he is, that's
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 13: all Roman has been. He just has the Wise Man.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 13: That's what I feel like. It's like, I want you
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 13: to be my manager. I want you to be in
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 13: my corner. I mean, I know it's crazy this part,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 13: this far in Punk's career. Does he really need him
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 13: in anyway? I just think like, hey, now Punk's over
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 13: on Raw, bringing Hayman over to Raw well entice Roman
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 13: to come to Raw in January, you know for Hayman.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 13: But I could be way off. It's just you know, speculation, rumors.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 15: You know, kind of just this bloodline story or yeah, yeah,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 15: like it presumably like the only thing really left I
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 15: would think is for Roman to win back the Ula falla.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 15: Hell, you're saying that title of tribal chief back again
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 15: in some kind of tribal combat match with Solo, right?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 15: Does that end the bloodline when that happens? Is it
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 15: over at that point?
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 13: I feel like they're building up to, like Jacob being
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 13: so loyal to solo like that'll turn one day and
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 13: then we'll get solo versus Jacob and Jake Frez will
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 13: go out on his own, right.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't know if there if it'll be a
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 14: big climbax, like you know, some big climactic finale. I
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 14: could see it probably more just fading away, because if anything,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 14: you know, this probably was as close to a climax
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 14: as we've gotten in this thing, you know, between like
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 14: this and you know, Cody taking defeating Roman at WrestleMania.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 14: I don't know what more we can do this other
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 14: than the fact that obviously at some point the Rock
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 14: is going to factor back into this in some way,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 14: shape or form. I don't know how many I don't
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 14: know how many more climaxes quote unquote we have left
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 14: in this story. But of course we also thought years
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 14: ago that you know, what the hell else could they
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 14: do with this? And then you know, here we are
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 14: still going.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: So I give it.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 13: I give it five years before we have like a
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 13: endgame on your left, all the Bloodline members, both sides
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 13: together for something stupid. I just see it at some point.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 13: I mean, how many d X reunions have we got?
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 13: What's that?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 15: I said? Five more years or five years total.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 13: With it, within five years with him, because I think
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 13: we're coming up on five yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 13: within the next five years we're gonna get some sort
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 13: of you know, there's some uses that are outnumbered by
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 13: some members of a roster, and there's gonna be on
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 13: your left moment, there's gonna be all these Samoans coming
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 13: out of the portal and and sika, Yeah, a.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 10: W is gonna invade raw yeah right, bloodline, Oh my god.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 14: Yeah, it's like stomping out the whole fucking roster, Like
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 14: a w's just stomping out the whole w W E roster.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 14: And then all of a sudden, just one person, just
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 14: Roman's music hit, so he walks out by himself, and
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 14: then all of a sudden, fucking Jimmy, they fucking Sammy for.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 10: Some goddamn reason.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 14: So those music hits, Jacob hits, all the fucking Samoa's
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 14: just lined up, and they finished off with sucking the
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 14: rock music hits.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 13: And then they all put their fingers. They all got
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 13: to put the fingers in there. And then and then
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 13: Roman yells acknowledge me or no, no, he goes acknowledge
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 13: us and then that then they dude, all the.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 10: Says, just runs in the ring just to beat the
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 10: ship out of a w.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 13: O ship acknowledge us h dun dun. I can hear
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 13: the the uh, all the music, all the theme songs, Jesus, I.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 15: Would take fucking three hours, I know, right right, just.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 10: One right, that would be all the WrestleMania night to
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 10: just that moment.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it is crazy though, like at this point, you know,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 13: because when you look at the rumble, it's like, okay,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 13: it's fifteen fifteen per roster normally, right, but it's not
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 13: really because you get sprinkled into sometimes NXT wrestlers, some
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 13: wrestlers who are returning from injury, some legends are sprinkled
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 13: in there. So maybe like ten per roster we get
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 13: and it's like okay, now we get ten, but like
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 13: now you get like how many Bloodline members? There's four? Right,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 13: four or five Bloodline members and like, oh my god,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 13: like the numbers just like I don't know, try doing
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 13: it in a two K game and try fitting all
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 13: your favorite wrestlers in a thirty man ord rumble stand
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 13: near impossible.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 14: So we're gonna hit all the well this year, it
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 14: will all depend on what they all have going on
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 14: as far as.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 13: Oh, even not even in the Rumble. That's what I'm thinking.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 14: No, No, I think some of them could be because
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 14: I mean, if Solo does have any type of other
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 14: program going on, then he could probably be trying to
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 14: use the Rumble as his ticket back into the title scene.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 14: And obviously he would recruit the rest of his blood
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 14: line to assist him in that endeavor. So I can
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 14: see it, at the very least all of Bloodline two
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 14: point oh being in the Rumble. I can see j
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 14: being in the Rumble because it'll be you know, probably
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 14: won't have much else to do, and it'll be his
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 14: way of trying to pursue a title. I can see
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 14: Sammy being in it. Yeah, I can see Roman being
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 14: in it. I could probably see damnit to everybody who's
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 14: in this match, barring injury, being in the Rumble.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, I like that idea as as a lot
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 13: of people. We can do it, bring back the forty
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 13: man Royal Rumble.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 10: And there's John Cena as well. Yeah, John Cena and
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 10: like him and Roman could have a stare down.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 13: I don't even know who my top like three picks
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 13: would be for the guys Rumble Final four, Final four.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 13: Can you guys think of your final four right now?
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 14: Roman, Sena, Punk, and maybe Jacob Orsolo. I would love
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 14: for J to be one of the final four. I
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 14: would love for J to be in the final four.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 14: But I think Roman and Sena are pretty much shoe wins,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 14: and I think Punk is a strong contender because it'll
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 14: be loosely connected and be considered one of the top ones.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 10: And then that just leaves one left and.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 14: There's a whole lot that could be fitting to that slot,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 14: whether you know, depending on what people have going on,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 14: like Ko, Randy, Jacob Solo, J.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 13: That's so hard to like pinpoint like that last but
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 13: Priest Drew Yeah, yeah, And you know what though, like
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 13: I think you're dead on with those three scene up, Punk, Roman,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 13: like Holy Ship and Orton. Dude, Like I'm sorry, Like
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 13: right there, that's for solid fucking damn. That's a hell
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 13: of a final four. That's a hell of a final
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 13: four match, Damn.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 10: Exactly.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 14: We're looking at Ship, We're potentially looking at a hell
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 14: of a stack Roll Rumble roster this upcoming year, yeah,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 14: compared to some years past, and he will be much
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 14: room for scrubs in this match.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 15: No both sides really yeah, I mean I would imagine
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 15: you're gonna have all those NXT women and the women's
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 15: rowing rumble as well. Yeah, yeah, right, this could be,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 15: this could be let's not good, let's not h start
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 15: hyping it up now?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 10: Well, uh yeah February right, yeah, ready to go? Oh yeah,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 10: definitely definitely. So I guess that wraps it up for
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 10: Survivor series.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 13: Yeah, well, let's uh, let's talk about what's been going
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 13: on on raw man. Uh geez, well, what injuries did
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 13: we come across here? Actually? From Survivor series, we had
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 13: Bronson Red injured. But was it both his ankles or
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 13: was it just one?
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 13: And I know we had Jimmy Uso suffered an injury
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 13: as well. Who else suffered an injury? Jacob fought too.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 13: I have here also with an injury. It looks like
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 13: it looks like a lot of knees and toes, you know. Bronson, Man,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 13: I as soon as I saw him jump off that,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 13: I was like, there's no way he ain't injured. There's
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 13: no way. And like when I expected War Games, I
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 13: was like, somebody is gonna have an injury somebody somewhere tonight.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 13: I was kind of glad that. I was very glad
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 13: it wasn't Punk. I was like god Punk in a
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 13: War Games match when when I found out it was him, Like,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 13: I was super excited, But then I had that moment
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 13: of like, ooh, is that a smart move? Like he
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 13: just got done getting out of a hell in a cell?
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 15: You know.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 13: But uh, inter Continental Women's Title Tournament so far, Uh,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 13: Dakota Kai advances beating Katana Chance and Shana Basler. So
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 13: and then I guess like next week we're gonna have
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 13: Zoe Stark or Colorado Vigez and Kayden Carter, which my
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 13: guess is probably Raquel we might get, uh Raquel. I
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 13: can see Raquel and Dakota. On the other side, we
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 13: have Lyra Valkyrie versus Selena Vega versus Ivy Nile. In
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 13: that one, I could see Selena Vega maybe going forward,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 13: maybe getting deserves.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 14: That one's probably the most evenly split one before, like
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 14: any of those three could legitimately go on.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 10: Whereas the last matches.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 13: Alba Fire, Kyrie Sane, and Natalia ooh, Natalia trying to
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 13: get that Grand Slam.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 13: I could see Kyrie sane. If they're pushing EO for
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 13: the women's championship, I can see Kyrie getting pushed for
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 13: the Inner Carnal for sure.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 14: I would love for Kyrie saying to win that match.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 14: But something told me is probably gonna be alba fire.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 15: Yeah. I could see Naddie getting to thank you, send off,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 15: thank you for being a friend. Title win.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 13: Frankly, I unfortunately believe it too.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 10: Like i'd be shocked. I just don't.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 15: Yeah, but I wouldn't be shocked.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 13: Dear God. All right, I want to get to the
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 13: meat the juice of this man. Let's talk about it.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 13: It's a sensitive subject. Ten years, man, ten long years.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 13: We had The New Day together as a twelve time
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 13: tag team champions.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 15: Very impressive, twelve time w w E.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 13: Tag Team champions and also World Tag Team and NXC
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 13: Tag Team. But very success. They went a lot longer
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 13: than I thought they would. I know when they started
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 13: out together, a lot of people were like, Oh, this
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 13: is gonna be like the new Nation of Domination, right,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 13: that's what they're kind of showing. It's like, No, they
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 13: were definitely something else. Something I did not. I wasn't
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 13: catching on in the very beginning. I wasn't on board,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 13: but they did definitely win me over and I became
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 13: like a fan for life.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 10: For sure.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 13: Bootios and all man. They had bootios, they had pancakes,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 13: they've had bagels, what else. They've thrown numerous arounds of
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 13: food out to people. You can get bootios. Actually, if
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 13: you go to f Ye you can get bootios and
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 13: still might be on the shelf. But since Biggie has
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 13: been out, you know, since he broke his freaking neck
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 13: stack of dimes he calls a neck. Uh, he's been
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 13: out for a very long time. Uh does anyberry recall
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 13: how long it's been. It's been a few years, maybe
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 13: like three years maybe, I want.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 15: To say, or HER's I think it happened right before
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 15: the pandemic.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's been a while, because they were.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 15: Saying he hadn't been a raw or SmackDown in four
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 15: years or something.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's been a while and he's been sitting on
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 13: the sidelines. And I trust me me, Dre Doyle, we've
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 13: all been wanting Biggie to come back. He had a
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 13: great title run, you know. Uh, unfortunately it didn't end
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 13: very well. Uh, it's just like the New Day always
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 13: falls hands to brock Lesner. I guess, uh.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 15: But l fifteen seconds.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 13: Yeah right, But yeah, I feel like they kind of
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 13: did after they'd lost Biggie. They did flounder for a bit.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 13: I don't think they were as strong as they were.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 13: They did definitely didn't dominate the tag team division like
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 13: they used to because they had that freebird rule where
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 13: they could kind of rotate each other, and I thought
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 13: that was always good. It was nice that being brought
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 13: back and being kept for ten years, the free Bird rule.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 13: But yeah, they had the ten year anniversary and it
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 13: started with Xavier Woods and Kofi in the ring basically
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 13: talking about, you know, all the stuff that's happened within
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 13: those ten years and kind of looking like the end
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 13: of New Day. And then you know, Big EA's music hit,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 13: and that's the thing. It wasn't. I thought he would
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 13: have came out with them, you know, but this all
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 13: made sense. Why But it was kind of cool with
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 13: hearing him and his own music. You know, you want
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 13: to go hard, Why don't y' all say that the music?
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 13: So like when I heard that I popped, I was like,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 13: oh shit, And I was like, I don't know why
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 13: I popped because I knew he was gonna come out, right,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 13: but they expect him to come out to that music
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 13: and I was like, oh, man, like he's really like
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 13: he's not in New Day, Like.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 18: He is.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 13: Not part of New Day. And they kind of made
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 13: their point, and you know, he talks about how you know,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 13: he uh wants to be their manager from here going forward,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 13: and I was like, that's the first dude they had
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 13: me because I was like, it's not a bad idea.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 13: I'm like, he'll be an on air character, right, and
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 13: Biggie always has that energy man to be an on
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 13: air character. He's you know, give give this man a microphone. Fine,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 13: I'm all for it.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 14: Right, then had a song going at that when Biggie
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 14: was given was it coming out there and giving that
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 14: speech and talking about moments like legit, real life moments
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 14: he's had with those guys, Yeah, families, I'm legit getting
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 14: teared up and ship listen to that stuff like damn
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 14: yeah yeah yeah man.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 13: It got me, dude, and it's good because you know
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 13: these guys are close. You know, these guys are tight,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 13: and so it's so believable, Like but then the microphone
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 13: was hand take Xavier Woods in Kobe and I have
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 13: the clip here and I'm going to play it, and
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 13: if you guys want to talk during it, it's fine.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 13: I'm gonna play it here, play in the background.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 15: Here we go.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 9: Now, Now you want to come back.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 13: After he watched us fight for months, after you watched
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 13: us argue to the edge of.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 9: The cliff and the last thing left to do is jump.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 9: Now you want to come back?
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 10: E you left us my neck? What do you mean
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 10: I've been.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 15: Doing my bid?
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 10: Left us.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 13: That's when I said. The man broke his freaking neck.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 10: And that was it. When Kobe jumped in.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 13: So what full heill? Full heill?
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 6: So what.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 9: Stone call Steve Austin broke his neck and.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 4: He came back?
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 13: You know, man true cart angle broke.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 10: His neck and he came back.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 9: Edge broke his neck and he came back. And have
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 9: people here waiting for the You had two family members
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 9: who have the light on for you, so you'd have
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 9: something familiar to walk back into. And once you do
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 9: with that, ehah.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: Nothing.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 9: We didn't change, We didn't evolve at our own deficit
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 9: for you.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 13: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 18: You mean to tell me that as big as you
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 18: are as strong as you are, plus with the fact
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 18: that you never even had to have surgery on your neck.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 18: You mean to tell me that Sue couldn't have been
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 18: back here a long time ago if you wanted to.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 10: I've been meeting with doctors.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 18: I've been doing scans, I've been X rays, MRIs, I've
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 18: been doing my.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 10: Let's get back. We've heard it all before.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 9: You know what happened to me, E. I tore my
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 9: achilles tendon off the bone and I actually had to
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 9: have surgery. I was back in nine months for you.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 9: If you really truly.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 18: Cared about us, you'd have been back here a long
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 18: time ago. You'd have been by our side, clapping by
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 18: our side, encouraging us, cheering us on, galvanizing us.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: But nah, you chose your new life over us.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 9: You chose your new projects over us.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 18: You chose your new girlfriend over us.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 4: You chose.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 9: Over us.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 13: Chicks before day.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 9: In fact, listen up, do you even realized the burden
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 9: that you've become. No matter where we go, every.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 19: Single city, no matter who we meet, they all say
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 19: the same thing, We miss.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 9: E as if we don't net A. But obviously E
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 9: doesn't miss us.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 18: Hey, our philosophy since day one, since the Jump, has
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 18: always been about the Brotherhood before anything else, the New Day,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 18: before anything.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 9: Else, We before me. That's what the philosophy has been.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 15: But you.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 9: Broken neck or not, you chose yourself over us.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 10: As a matter of fact.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 13: Matter of fact, Eve, let's stop teasing all these people.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 9: Let's tell them the truth. E. You are never going
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 9: to be medically clear.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 19: And since that's the case, why don't you get the
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 19: hell out of this ring and getting back to your
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 19: desk where you belong, and we'll call.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 9: You if we need you.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 13: Damn, that was rough Man.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 14: Rough Just like that, Dominic Mysterio became the third most
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 14: hated person in WWE.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 13: Yeah like it. I mean I never thought i'd see
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 13: it go this way. I expected, uh, you know, we
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 13: expected Xavier Woods. They showed a lot of Xavier Woods
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 13: looking at be turning heel and that's been cooking for
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 13: a while. Problems within the New Day for a while
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 13: has been cooking. And even the last episode, we played
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 13: a good promo just to them backstage, thinking that those
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 13: two were gonna break up. I mean they went off
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 13: on each other, which was like, okay, so this is
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 13: like everybody's got beef. But it seemed like here, like
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 13: it's like they had a common enemy and that enemy
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 13: was Big Ee. Like that hated that that anger was
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 13: just directed directly right towards him, right toward his handicapped
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 13: ask And the fact that they used his neck injury
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 13: like just made it so much better. I mean, they've
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 13: done they they did this with Edge, you know, you know,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 13: using the neck injury. I think, like I remember when
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 13: Becky Lynch was a heel, you know, being uh interviewed
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 13: by Edge on their rated R show or whatever it was,
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 13: and she, you know, just basically verbally beat the shit
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 13: out of him, you know, about his neck injury stuff.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 13: And that's what they did here. They didn't lay a
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 13: goddamn finger on Big Ee, but they beat the ship
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 13: out of inverbally. Oh yeah, go ahead, chiming guys.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, excuse me.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 14: Honestly, the what they said to him was probably more
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 14: effective than anything they could have physically done to him.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 14: I mean, it's pretty obvious that I the only other
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 14: maybe barring is another sword of that he had in fact,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 14: is medically clear for physical physical activity. As such, I
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 14: didn't expect any type of physicality to have taken place.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 14: But damn sure didn't think that this was the direction
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 14: that we were going to go off. The double hill
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 14: turn of both of them going and turning on e
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 14: you know, I was, I don't know what I was
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 14: expecting to happen. I was expecting probably just you know,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 14: Kofi and and Exavier to turn on each other and
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 14: one was gonna go be the face of one be
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 14: the he'll most likely Xavier is the heel, and then Kofi,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 14: you know, growing a pair or whatever, just facing him
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 14: and they That would be the storyline for them for
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 14: you know, you know, the next you know, maybe month
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 14: or so, like something that they would happen to at
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 14: least through the Rumble coupling eight, maybe had a match
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 14: between the two of the Rumble or something of that nature,
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 14: and then they would go their separate ways and be solos.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 14: But with what they did with this, I mean, this
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 14: has the potential to be a major storyline that could
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 14: carry them through all of next year, depending on how
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 14: strongly they want to book this new iteration of.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 10: The New Day as heels. You know, they could they
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 10: could take this.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 14: Energy and catapult them right back into They could be
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 14: the ones to d throne. I could see them taking
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 14: the titles off fitting JDA, this new focus that they
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 14: have and you know, this new aggression that they have,
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 14: I could see them going out there and immediately becoming champions,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 14: and that would just add to the more heat that
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 14: they have that now they've they're.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 10: The most hated with w w ee, right, and they.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 14: Did it without Biggie and they're the champions and now
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 14: everybody has to come through them, and they just ride
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 14: that hill heat all through next year, Like this could
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 14: be major for them definitely.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 13: Now do they come out as the new day? Do
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 13: they come out to that music anymore the bright colors
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 13: or do we see a different new day?
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 14: If if this is gonna be a different new day
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 14: and they're gonna be just a duo from now on,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 14: you gotta change up the music, right, go yeah that
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 14: And I can't see them coming out doing the rainbows
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 14: and the eight big graphics and the studios and all
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 14: that shit and the war. Now that's something that reflects
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 14: this new direction, in this new focus, of this new
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 14: iteration of them.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 13: They're gonna do what they always do. They take the
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 13: music and they slow it down.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 15: Yes, I mean I think kind of what I think
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 15: what's gonna happen is what has always been going to happen,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 15: which it depends on what happens with Big Ee. You
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 15: know he I mean he did he said, he said
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 15: until I'm cleared, you know, like and he said, I've
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 15: been taking the test. I've been doing Like it sounds
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 15: like he's actively trying to get back right now. The
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 15: thing is, even if he did, even he gets cleared today,
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 15: I mean he could take a bump or two, sure,
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 15: but it would be months, I would think before he
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 15: could actually have a match. Right, You can't just you
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 15: can't just go from the couch to WrestleMania, you know,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 15: especially with that kind of injury.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 14: And I'm sure something like that WW would want to
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 14: be a major surprise. So how can he get cleared
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 14: and trade and they keep that a secret? Yeah, Like
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 14: he can't go down to the PC and do that
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 14: because it'll get leaked out and I'll fucking heartbeat. Yeah,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 14: get somebody's house, like you had to be like down
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 14: to Texas training to get Undertaker's gym and ship.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 13: Did you imagine like yeah, could you imagine him at
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 13: the Rumble though, like just making an appearance like I'm
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 13: not saying like a long you know, but like just
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 13: the you're like, you know, you hear that countdown, you
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 13: hear you just want to go big. Why don't you
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 13: all say that?
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 10: You're like, what the fuck?
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 13: Because you know, it's like, it's not that new day music.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 13: It's not like, oh it's Kofi or it's Exaber because
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 13: that's how it always wasn't in the rumble you'd hear
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 13: that music. It was one of the three, but that
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 13: he got his own music. Man, I mean, just to
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 13: hear that, that crowd would be like, it's like what
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 13: the fuck? Like you know that moment when Edge came back,
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 13: I mean like I jumped out of my fucking chair
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 13: when Edge returned, Like that was genuine. I had no idea,
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 13: no idea.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 15: Yeah that was And then they fucking then they missed
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 15: his uh he came in and speared somebody in the
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 15: fucking camera cut away. Yeah yeah, yeah, that was Kevin
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 15: fig Era. Yeah, constant, constant, cutaway, cutaway, cutaway, cutaway, shake
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 15: the camera, cutaway, cutaway, cut.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 13: Kevin Dunner or whatever. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 15: Did I say Kevin Fi, I meant Kevin dunn.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 13: Not Kevin You know we were here talking about you know,
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 13: endgame moments with the Bloodline. What else I want to
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 13: talk about?
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 15: Oh?
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 13: So there's this thirty for thirty. This was the XFL.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 13: It just dropped today. It's a documentary.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 13: This documentary examines the ww mongol Vince mcmn's audacious attempts
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 13: to compete with the Yes, exactly what it says, compete
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 13: with the NFL mogul. Oh wait, maybe it does. Wait, yes,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 13: it does mogul, Yes, and how his XFL fizzles soon
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 13: after it's hyped two thousand and one debut. It's a
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 13: twenty sixteen documentary.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 10: But that ship, I'm saying, Yeah, who the fuck doesn't
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 10: already know this story?
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 13: I know that's what I said because uh, I told
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 13: I put it on my like my watch list, like
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 13: to remind me, and because I thought it was new stuff,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 13: and I told.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 10: ESPN thirty for thirty, Yeah, that's I think it is.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 10: It's definitely old, because yeah, I not said on Netflix.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 14: They've been dropping a whole lot of the old ESPN
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 14: thirty for thirties on Netflix.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 13: And it's kind of smart though, because you know, like
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 13: that whole VisiC Man documentary that dropped. It is like, okay,
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 13: we'll drop this right off the you know, the heat
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 13: off of it.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that one's up there. They did a thirty for
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 14: thirty on Rick Flair as well. That one's on Netflix
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 14: up there for a while.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 13: But somebody told me they immediately, you know, a coworker
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 13: I told about it. He went home and watched it,
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 13: and he not even like twenty minutes before the show started.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 13: He texted me He's like, I watched it. It's fucking stupid.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 13: It's nothing I didn't already know. I was like, yep,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 13: oh okay, And now that I saw the date, it
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 13: totally makes sense. So yeah, I mean this is prior
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 13: to Vince shitting on people's heads, you know, as far
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 13: as we know, as far as we know, God knows, right,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 13: is anything else you guys want to talk about plugging
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 13: any other news I'm missing?
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 15: Uh?
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I want to get back to Raw and some
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 14: of the things that happened on that show, because, for one,
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 14: I think this was one of the better rules that
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 14: we've gotten in a long time, especially from a post
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 14: pol standpoint. Like obviously the big thing, at least in
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 14: my opinion, was the New Day Truth. Thing was the
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 14: New Day segment, which in my opinion, should have closed
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 14: out Raw. Really that that should have been I think
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 14: as a Carlos and our discourse said, imagine if Raw
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 14: had closed out with that image of Big Eie walking
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 14: away and then you know, an angry exavior and Kofe
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 14: just looking off to the side and ship and then
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 14: we get the Raw logo and the credits and ship.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 14: That would have been a much stronger ending than we
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 14: got of you know. Oh, Drew McIntyre's back, okay, which
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 14: they played it up to. See Mike he is the
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 14: one who attacked Jayuso, which okay, why I guess you know,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 14: that's what parted up with because they partnered up with
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 14: with with Seeing Punks, and now he's on a war
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 14: path against all of them.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 10: Like, I don't know that.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 14: I don't know if it's because of the impact of
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 14: the New Day segment, but I don't know. Jews return
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 14: just didn't hit like like they thought it would. It
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 14: was just like, okay, he's back, all right, Well let's see.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 10: What he does.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 15: Apparently that was thrown together last second because of the
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 15: Bronson Reid injury. Drew wasn't supposed to.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 10: Come back for another couple of weeks, so they rushed
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 10: him back. Has to do with it.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 14: Maybe so maybe they had a different storyline playing out
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 14: for and they had to shoehorn it in there because
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 14: maybe that spot was meant for Bronson Reid. Maybe Bronston
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 14: Reed was going to be the next guy to challenge
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 14: Gunter or something or get involved in the title scene,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 14: which if so, then damn that sucks for him having
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 14: missed out on that opportunity.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 13: Especially of this even though they lost, but coming off
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 13: of this pay per view for him it's big.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 14: But also another thing I wanted to talk about that
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 14: me and Dora wound up debating a little bit on
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 14: uh Raw as it was going on, was the prospect
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 14: of what directions certain characters could be going, specifically Dominate,
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 14: Mysterio and Finn Valor with this Judgment Day soaka it
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 14: seeming like they could be on the verge of and
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 14: it's been rumored for a while now that Dom could
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 14: be getting kicked out of the Judgment Day and if so,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 14: could we be on the verge of a dom Face turn?
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 14: And if so, are we the question I asked in
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 14: the discord, are we ready for Babyface Dom?
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 15: Well, I'll say what I said in the discord. I
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 15: think the only thing that could turn him back to
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 15: babyface is the reconciliation with his father. Other than that,
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 15: I just can't see it. He's just, I know, he's
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 15: starting to get cheered a little bit because he's he's
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 15: just because he's so good, he's starting to get the
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 15: respect pop, you know, unless so the heel heat. And
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 15: that's a valid point for sure, But I just as
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 15: a as a whole, I just can't see a scenario
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 15: where anyone's going to cheer him against anyone unless he's
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 15: reuniting with his father, right.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 14: And I think it depends on the circumstances behind it,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 14: because as we saw last night, he still gets booed.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 10: But it ain't is it ain't as nuclear as it
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 10: was earlier this year. It ain't.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 14: The temperature has definitely call come down a bit on
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 14: his heel heat. And I think it all depends on
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 14: how this Judgment Day story plays out. I think if
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 14: he's portrayed as the victim getting kicked out for seemingly
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 14: and not having done anything wrong, and especially if Live
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 14: turns on him, I think arguably right now, Live has
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 14: more heat than them. So if she were to say
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 14: turn on him and get with Finn and dom is
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 14: up the one on the ouse and getting kicked out,
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 14: I could see him. I can see the fans getting
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 14: behind him and he becoming the babyface and people wanting
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 14: to see him get his revenge on Judgment Day, especially
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 14: if you know, if Damien embraced him a bit, like
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 14: you know, it's like the little bro type thing and
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 14: they almost have that big brother little brother dynamic with them.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 10: I can see it happening.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 14: There is a path towards him getting and turning babyface
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 14: without Ray. Now Ray could be, you know, again another
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 14: feel good moment that's a product of his baby face turned,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 14: but I don't think that's the reconciliation with Ray has
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 14: to be the catalyst for it.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 10: I can see it happening before then.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 13: I'm looking at there's this website that I go to.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 13: It has a like like a list of heels and
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 13: faces currently on the roster and even tweeters we just have.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 13: It looks like just so much more heels and faces.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 13: So maybe that that could be a good indication too.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 13: I mean, we just got two guys the New Day
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 13: recently just turning heel. We have Tamasa Champa's turning heel currently,
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 13: So it looks like yeah, so it looks like me.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 13: I'd be I, you know what, true, I'd be on
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 13: for that a face. Dom gotta get rid of the
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 13: dirty Sanchez mustache. He probably like, No, that's a heels thing, man, Like.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 10: I just think that's his look right now.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 14: He actually finally has a look that makes him unique
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 14: compared to what he was when he was partnering with
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 14: his dad.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 14: Oh terrible, right God, I think his gear could still
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 14: use to work with as of right now, he is
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 14: his own individual, his own character right here.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 15: It looked he looked like that little kid that was
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 15: in that ladder match dressed up as Ray Mysterio for Halloween.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 15: That's what he looked like when he first came out.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, like I do see the uh, the
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 13: tension and the cracks in Judgment Day for mean, like, uh,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 13: it seems like Live Morgan Raquel or I guess like
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 13: Live was arguing with Finn Balor about Balor's involvement with
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 13: the gun Thir Damion pre SMESSI Survivors series. You know, uh,
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 13: it looks like Live and Dom just haven't been as
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 13: close as of the past couple of weeks, not as
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 13: the close as they used to be. Yeah, I mean,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 13: and look, Finn's going the route of his his focus
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 13: now is on that World championship. Uh, you know, the
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 13: tag titles are going to fall. That's I think that's
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 13: what the next crack is. They're gonna lose those tag
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 13: titles and and then you're gonna lose. Then you're gonna
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 13: lose Live. Maybe you're gonna lose Dom and and the
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 13: whole thing is just gonna crumble.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 10: And I think it's I don't think the whole See
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 10: that's that's where I disagree. I don't think the whole
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 10: thing is gonna crumble.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 14: I don't think it's gonna completely fall apart and everybody
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 14: just goes their separate ways.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 13: Keep rotating people out and.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 10: Then not necessarily rotating people out there.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 14: But there could be a a newer version of it
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 14: where certain people get kicked out, Like I can see
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 14: Dom getting kicked out, I can see Carlito getting kicked out. Now,
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 14: Carlito getting kicked out, people are gonna be different about
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 14: because nobody really care about Carlito anyway, and he's just
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 14: kind of he's just there as of right now, He's
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 14: not really shit, But I can see those two getting
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 14: kicked out, people getting behind domb and it just being
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 14: a foursome of Live at the front, with obviously you know,
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 14: uh Raquel being Lives enforcer and JD for the time
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 14: being being Finn's minion, and that for just a much tighter, smaller,
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 14: more focused group could move forward with Finn and Live
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 14: being perpetually in the title picture and almost being like
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 14: a power couple of sorts on raw. I could see
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 14: that being in and that would be a much more
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 14: focused and much more effective version of the Judgment Day
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 14: than what they are currently right now, where they're just
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 14: kind of waiting, treading water and not really moving anywhere
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 14: other than Live as the champion.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 15: Yeah, that's that's a great point. And it's not like
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 15: the history of the Judgment Day hasn't been transient. You know,
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 15: there are original members left.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 13: It's like the oh you know, just so many people
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 13: have been in and out of it at this point. Hell,
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 13: remember our truth is part of Judgment Day. At some point,
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 13: he thought me, wise, Yeah, but hey, is anything else
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 13: you guys want to plug?
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 14: Nope, just as always if I mean the Discord, follow
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• 2:23:32
  Speaker 15: Yielder Doyle Yeap, just in the Instagram and like the
• 2:23:37
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• 2:23:40
  Speaker 15: and not get immediately taken down. I don't know what
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 15: the fuck that was about.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 13: Uh, weird of shit? I read about your issue. Yeah,
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 13: weird of shit. So worst case scenario, I will post
• 2:23:55
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• 2:24:01
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• 2:24:02
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• 2:24:05
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• 2:24:12
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• 2:24:19
  Speaker 13: in the past couple of weeks, we've just gotten so
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 13: many more downloads. It's great. Uh, I'm reading the numbers.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 13: Is that it's actually pretty nice. Got a couple more
• 2:24:28
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• 2:24:33
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• 2:24:36
  Speaker 13: an interview or two. So let's keep the ball rolling.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 13: So alright, guys, that's all I got. I'm gonna wrap
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 13: this up. I wish one of these buttons am I
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 13: gonna push today?
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 15: To wrap it up?
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 13: Uh uh, I'll do this one.
• 2:24:54
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• 2:25:07
  Speaker 20: Fack that day in and day out for almost six years,
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 20: I improved everybody in the world that I am the
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 20: best on this microphone and in that break given a commentary.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 15: Nobody can touch me.
• 2:25:20
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• 2:25:26
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• 2:25:34
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• 2:25:37
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• 2:26:01
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• 2:26:07
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