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Lessons of War: Courage & Creative Leadership Flourish in Ukraine · Deep Transformation

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Welcome
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to
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our
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fourth
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conversation
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with
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Ukrainians
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Vytas
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Bučiūnas
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and
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Kateryna
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Yasko
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marking
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the
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four
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year
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anniversary
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of
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the
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Russian
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all
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out
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war
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and
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invasion
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of
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Ukraine.
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Far
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from
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being
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a
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sad
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tale
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of
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suffering
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and
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resistance,
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I
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believe
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this
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is
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one
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of
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the
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most
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inspiring
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podcasts
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we
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have
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done.
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There
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is
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great
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wisdom
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here
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how
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the
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human
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spirit
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and
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the
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spirit
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of
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a
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great
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nation,
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people
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can
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flourish
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in
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this
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time
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of
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danger
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and
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constant
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attack.
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Ukraine
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is
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now
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the
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spiritual
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leader
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of
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the
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free
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world
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as
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they
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fight
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together
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for
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freedom,
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democracy
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and
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the
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right
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to
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exist.
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You
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will
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not
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want
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to
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miss
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this.
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Welcome
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to
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deep
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transformation,
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Self,
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society,
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spirit,
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life
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enhancing,
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paradigm
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rattling
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conversations
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with
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cutting
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edge
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thinkers,
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contemplatives
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and
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activists
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with
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Dr.
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Roger
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Walsh
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and
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John
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Dupuy.
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My
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name
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is
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John
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Dupuy
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and
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can't
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behere,he'sona
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retreat.Butthisisa
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verytimelyconversationwe'regoingtohave
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today.Andso
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we
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have
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withus
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VitusandKaterynaYasko.
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Andthesearedear,dearfriendsofminefromUkraineandwe'vebeenfriendsthroughoutthiswholespecialmilitaryoperationthat'sgoingon
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forfouryearsnow.Yeah,thisis,this
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isvery
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powerful
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and
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difficultformebecause
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Ifeelso,
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somuchalignedwithyouandwhatyou'regoingthrough.SoIdon'tthinkabout
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balance.InterviewernorwouldIwanttobe.
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Sotostartoffwithwhat
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isthe
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think
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about
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being
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a
1:31
balance
1:31
interviewer
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nor
1:32
would
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I
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want
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to
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now
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after
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fouryears
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ofthisconstantwarfare.
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First
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of
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all,
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we
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would
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like
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to
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express
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our
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deepest
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gratitude
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for
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this
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connection
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and
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for
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calling
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us
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again
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and
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again
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and
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also
1:45
giving
1:46
us
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an
1:46
opportunity
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to
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reflect
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on
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a
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yearly
1:49
basis
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how
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is
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it
1:50
evolving.
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And
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thank
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you
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for
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remembering
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us,
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John,
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and
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for
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bringing
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us
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and
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our
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Ukrainian
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voices
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to
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the
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integral
1:57
world.
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And
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I
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might
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add
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that
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you're
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a
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clinical
2:00
psychologist,
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a
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PhD
2:02
doctor,
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and
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you're
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working
2:03
with
2:03
people
2:04
trauma
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in
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Ukraine.
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And
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Vitus,
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you
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are
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a
2:07
banker
2:07
or
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some
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kind
2:08
of
2:08
macro
2:09
economist.
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So
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you
2:10
both
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bring
2:11
very
2:11
interesting
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perspectives
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to
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this
2:13
conversation.
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And
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you're
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also
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living
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in
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Kiev,
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if
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I'm
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not
2:16
mistaken,
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and
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you
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have
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a
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home
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in
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Lithuania.
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You
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don't
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have
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to
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be
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there,
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but
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you
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elected
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to
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stay
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in
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Ukraine
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and
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be
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with
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your
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people.
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And
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Vus,
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you
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were
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born
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in
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Lithuania.
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Exactly.
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But
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one
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time
2:28
told
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me,
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but
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my
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soul
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is
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Ukrainian.
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So
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maybe
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we
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can
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talk
2:32
a
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little
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bit
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about
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that,
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what
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that
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means
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to
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you
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also.
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Yeah,
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I
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also
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would
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like
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to
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correct
2:37
you
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a
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little
2:38
bit.
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I
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do
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not
2:39
have
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a
2:39
PhD
2:40
and
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my
2:41
focus
2:41
in
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psychology
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is
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more
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pedagogical
2:44
psychology
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than
2:45
clinical
2:45
psychology.
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I
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work
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with
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teams,
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with
2:48
schools,
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with
2:49
organizations,
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with
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Communities.
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I
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have
2:51
a
2:52
lot
2:52
of
2:52
experience
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supporting
2:55
people,
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healing
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each
2:56
other
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through
2:57
other
2:58
people.
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Basically.
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There
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are
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a
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lot
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of
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lessons
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learned
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throughout
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these
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four
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years
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in
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my
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profession.
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And
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there
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is
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a
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lot
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of
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things
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that
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we
3:06
Ukrainian
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psychologists
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wish
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to
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share
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with
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the
3:09
world.
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And
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I
3:10
want
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to
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also
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clarify
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a
3:12
little
3:12
bit.
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I
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was
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a
3:13
banker
3:13
for
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20
3:14
years
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till
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2017,
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and
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after
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that
3:18
I'm
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a
3:18
coach
3:19
and
3:19
leadership
3:19
development
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consultant.
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So
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I'm
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very
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much
3:22
focused
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on
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leadership
3:23
development.
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And
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you
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certainly
3:25
have.
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Your
3:26
country
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has
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been.
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There's
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a
3:29
lot
3:29
of
3:30
space
3:30
for
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leadership.
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Amazing.
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So,
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yeah,
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back
3:33
to
3:33
the
3:33
original.
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Thank
3:33
you
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for
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correcting
3:34
all
3:34
this.
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I
3:35
have
3:35
these
3:35
ideas.
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So
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what's
3:36
it
3:36
feel
3:36
like
3:37
now
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in
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Ukraine?
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What
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is
3:38
the,
3:38
the
3:38
psychological,
3:39
spiritual?
3:39
We
3:40
weather
3:40
after
3:41
coming
3:41
up
3:41
in
3:42
a
3:42
few
3:42
days
3:42
on
3:42
the
3:43
fourth
3:43
year
3:43
of
3:44
the
3:44
anniversary
3:44
of
3:45
this
3:45
special
3:45
military
3:46
operation
3:46
that
3:47
was
3:47
supposed
3:47
to
3:47
last
3:47
three
3:47
weeks.
3:48
So
3:49
before
3:49
we
3:50
speak
3:50
about
3:50
psychological
3:51
weather,
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I
3:52
think
3:52
it
3:52
would
3:52
be
3:53
fair
3:53
to
3:53
notice
3:54
few
3:54
facts
3:54
about
3:55
the
3:56
physical
3:57
weather
3:58
and
3:59
the
4:00
conditions,
4:00
factual
4:01
conditions
4:02
we
4:02
are
4:02
in
4:03
at
4:03
this
4:03
very
4:04
moment.
4:04
Would
4:05
you
4:05
like
4:05
to
4:06
comment
4:06
a
4:06
little
4:07
bit?
4:07
Sorry,
4:08
John,
4:08
I
4:09
know
4:09
you
4:09
are
4:09
saying
4:10
it
4:11
slightly
4:11
ironically,
4:11
but
4:12
the
4:12
term
4:12
special
4:13
military
4:13
operation
4:14
is
4:14
Putin's
4:15
kind
4:15
of
4:15
technical
4:16
term
4:16
to
4:17
justify,
4:17
not
4:18
to
4:18
call
4:18
it
4:18
war.
4:18
So
4:19
I
4:19
know
4:19
you
4:19
are
4:19
using
4:20
it
4:20
ironically,
4:21
but
4:21
this
4:21
is
4:22
a
4:22
full
4:22
scale
4:22
war.
4:23
This
4:24
is
4:24
pretty
4:24
genocidal
4:25
war
4:26
because
4:26
Putin
4:27
is
4:27
not
4:27
after
4:27
territories.
4:28
He
4:28
is
4:29
after
4:29
the
4:30
control
4:30
of
4:30
the
4:31
whole
4:31
country
4:32
and
4:32
basically
4:33
the
4:34
annihilation
4:34
of
4:35
Ukrainian
4:37
nation
4:38
identity,
4:38
and
4:38
not
4:39
nation
4:39
in
4:39
physical
4:40
terms,
4:40
but
4:40
identity
4:41
so
4:41
that
4:41
no
4:42
one
4:42
would,
4:42
would
4:42
identify
4:43
as
4:43
Ukrainian.
4:44
And
4:44
that's,
4:45
that's
4:45
a
4:45
big
4:45
thing.
4:45
So
4:46
why
4:46
don't
4:46
you
4:47
start.
4:48
So
4:49
at
4:49
the
4:49
moment
4:50
it's
4:50
-12.
4:52
The
4:52
last
4:53
heavy
4:53
attack
4:54
that
4:54
we
4:54
had
4:55
took
4:56
place
4:56
two
4:56
days
4:56
ago.
4:57
Big
4:57
part
4:58
of
4:58
the
4:58
energy
4:59
infrastructure
4:59
was
5:00
destroyed
5:00
again.
5:01
And
5:02
big
5:02
part
5:03
of
5:03
the
5:04
Kyiv
5:05
buildings
5:06
are
5:06
without
5:07
electricity,
5:08
heat
5:09
and
5:10
water.
5:11
Yeah.
5:11
So
5:11
just
5:11
to
5:11
clarify,
5:12
minus
5:12
12
5:13
Celsius
5:13
is
5:15
10
5:15
degrees
5:16
Fahrenheit.
5:18
And
5:18
it's
5:18
not
5:18
that
5:19
bad
5:19
because
5:19
we
5:20
had
5:20
days
5:20
and
5:21
nights
5:21
with
5:22
basically
5:23
minus
5:23
13
5:24
Fahrenheit.
5:25
And
5:25
during
5:25
those
5:25
days,
5:26
this
5:26
winter
5:27
is
5:27
really
5:27
cold.
5:27
And
5:28
during
5:28
those
5:28
days,
5:28
Putin
5:29
was
5:29
deliberately
5:30
targeting
5:31
the
5:31
heating
5:31
stations
5:32
and
5:32
power
5:33
plants
5:34
just
5:34
to
5:34
cut
5:34
off
5:35
Ukrainians
5:36
from
5:37
electricity,
5:37
from
5:38
water,
5:39
from
5:39
any
5:40
kind
5:40
of,
5:40
you
5:40
know,
5:41
heating
5:41
especially.
5:42
And
5:43
there
5:43
are
5:44
a
5:44
lot
5:44
of
5:44
residential
5:45
houses
5:45
in
5:46
Kiev
5:46
that
5:46
are
5:47
still
5:47
not
5:47
connected
5:48
to
5:48
heating.
5:49
And,
5:49
you
5:50
know,
5:50
those
5:51
pipes
5:51
are
5:51
freezing
5:52
and
5:52
then
5:53
exploding.
5:53
And
5:54
there
5:54
are
5:54
a
5:54
lot
5:55
of
5:55
these
5:55
kind
5:56
of
5:56
things.
5:56
And
5:56
this
5:56
is
5:57
a
5:57
very
5:58
deliberate
5:59
strategy.
5:59
Okay.
6:00
We.
6:00
Using
6:00
winter
6:01
as
6:01
weapon.
6:02
Yeah,
6:02
using
6:02
winter
6:03
as
6:03
a
6:03
weapon.
6:03
And,
6:04
you
6:04
know,
6:04
in
6:04
our
6:04
historical
6:05
memory,
6:06
in
6:06
the
6:07
Ukrainian
6:07
historical
6:08
memory,
6:08
There
6:08
was
6:09
the
6:09
famine
6:10
in
6:10
1930s,
6:12
which,
6:12
which
6:12
is
6:12
called
6:13
holodomor.
6:14
So
6:14
holod
6:15
is,
6:15
is
6:15
famine.
6:16
Grand
6:16
famine,
6:17
grand
6:17
fame.
6:18
Yeah.
6:18
And
6:18
now
6:19
cold
6:19
in
6:20
Ukrainian
6:20
is
6:21
hollowed.
6:21
So
6:22
basically
6:22
only
6:23
one,
6:23
the
6:24
first
6:24
letter
6:24
is.
6:25
Is
6:25
different.
6:26
So
6:26
now
6:26
we
6:26
call
6:26
it
6:27
holodomor,
6:27
basically
6:28
trying
6:28
to
6:29
kill
6:29
people
6:29
by
6:30
cold.
6:31
So
6:31
in
6:32
these
6:32
circumstances,
6:34
it's
6:34
quite
6:35
interesting
6:36
to
6:37
speak
6:37
about
6:38
psychological
6:39
weather.
6:40
We
6:40
do
6:41
not
6:41
relate
6:41
it
6:41
that
6:42
much
6:42
to
6:43
the
6:43
fourth
6:44
anniversary
6:45
or,
6:45
well,
6:46
how
6:46
can
6:46
we
6:46
say,
6:48
of
6:48
the
6:49
full
6:49
scale
6:50
invasion.
6:51
It's
6:51
general
6:52
mood,
6:53
which
6:53
is
6:54
quite
6:54
challenging.
6:55
It's
6:55
very
6:56
hard.
6:56
The
6:57
resilience
6:58
of
6:59
people
6:59
is
7:00
astonishing.
7:01
And
7:02
most
7:02
people
7:03
still
7:04
decide
7:05
to
7:05
stay
7:06
because
7:06
this
7:06
is
7:06
like
7:07
an
7:07
act
7:07
of
7:07
resistance.
7:09
So
7:09
any
7:10
decision
7:11
to
7:11
continue
7:12
staying
7:13
of
7:14
each
7:14
person
7:15
in
7:15
our
7:16
circles
7:16
is
7:17
an
7:17
act
7:17
of
7:18
resilience.
7:19
So
7:19
there
7:19
is,
7:20
there
7:20
are
7:20
people
7:21
at
7:21
the
7:21
front
7:22
line
7:22
who
7:22
suffer
7:23
much
7:23
more
7:24
because
7:24
they
7:25
have
7:25
less
7:26
access
7:26
to
7:27
heating
7:27
and
7:28
electricity
7:28
and
7:29
water.
7:30
So
7:30
understanding
7:31
that,
7:32
we
7:32
consider
7:33
that
7:33
we
7:33
are
7:33
in
7:33
perfect
7:34
circumstances.
7:36
So
7:36
there
7:36
is
7:36
a
7:36
lot
7:36
of
7:37
gratitude
7:37
at
7:38
the
7:38
same
7:38
time
7:38
because
7:39
people
7:39
are
7:39
very
7:40
cooperative,
7:41
supportive.
7:42
The
7:43
social
7:43
fabric
7:44
is
7:44
very
7:44
strong.
7:46
Our
7:47
heroes
7:47
on
7:48
the
7:48
energetic
7:49
frontline
7:51
are.
7:51
They
7:52
are
7:52
receiving
7:52
a
7:52
lot,
7:53
a
7:53
lot
7:53
of
7:53
gratitudes
7:54
from
7:55
people
7:55
they
7:55
know
7:55
for
7:56
whom
7:56
they
7:56
work
7:57
day
7:57
and
7:57
night.
7:59
So
7:59
I
8:00
would
8:00
say
8:00
that
8:01
I
8:01
would
8:01
never
8:02
exchange
8:04
the
8:04
possibility
8:05
of
8:05
experiencing
8:06
this
8:07
meaningful
8:08
and
8:08
in
8:09
a
8:09
way,
8:09
happy
8:09
times,
8:10
of
8:11
being
8:12
part
8:12
of
8:12
a
8:12
big
8:12
tribe
8:13
that
8:13
is
8:14
resisting
8:14
a
8:15
big
8:15
bloody
8:16
bear
8:17
with
8:17
the
8:17
hope
8:18
that
8:18
we
8:19
will
8:19
not
8:20
only
8:20
survive,
8:20
but
8:21
finally
8:22
get
8:22
a
8:22
chance
8:23
for
8:23
prosperity
8:24
and
8:25
for
8:25
independent
8:26
and
8:27
democratic
8:27
and
8:28
prosperous
8:29
future
8:29
for
8:29
our
8:30
children,
8:30
if
8:30
not
8:31
for
8:31
us.
8:31
Because
8:32
our
8:32
generation
8:32
is
8:33
basically
8:33
those
8:33
who
8:33
are
8:34
fighting
8:34
and
8:34
losing
8:35
their
8:35
health
8:36
and
8:36
many
8:36
of
8:36
us
8:37
losing
8:37
their
8:37
lives.
8:38
But
8:38
we
8:39
are
8:39
doing
8:39
it
8:39
for
8:40
the
8:40
next
8:40
generation
8:41
of
8:41
Ukrainians
8:41
who
8:42
are,
8:42
we
8:42
hope
8:42
will
8:43
have
8:43
a
8:43
chance
8:43
to
8:43
live
8:44
in
8:44
their
8:44
land
8:45
and
8:45
experience
8:46
their
8:46
identity
8:47
and
8:48
culture
8:49
and
8:49
whatever
8:49
our
8:50
warriors
8:51
are
8:51
fighting
8:52
for.
8:52
Yeah.
8:52
And
8:53
I
8:53
might
8:53
might
8:53
say
8:53
that
8:54
that
8:54
one
8:54
of
8:54
Putin's
8:55
aims
8:55
is
8:55
we
8:55
didn't
8:55
want
8:56
to
8:56
talk
8:56
about
8:56
him.
8:56
But
8:57
you
8:57
know,
8:57
what
8:57
can,
8:57
how
8:58
can
8:58
avoid.
8:58
This
8:59
was
8:59
to
8:59
you
9:00
mentioned,
9:00
to
9:01
extinguish
9:02
the
9:03
identity
9:03
of
9:04
Ukraine
9:05
as
9:05
a
9:05
nation,
9:05
as
9:06
a
9:06
people.
9:07
And
9:08
I
9:08
don't
9:08
know
9:08
what
9:08
it
9:08
was
9:09
like
9:09
before
9:09
this
9:10
war
9:10
started
9:10
four
9:11
years
9:11
ago,
9:12
but
9:12
I
9:12
imagine
9:13
after
9:13
four
9:14
years
9:14
of
9:14
cohering
9:15
and
9:15
standing
9:15
and
9:16
fighting
9:16
and
9:16
dying
9:17
and
9:18
living
9:18
together,
9:19
it
9:19
must
9:20
be
9:21
like
9:21
a
9:21
diamond.
9:21
It
9:22
must
9:22
be
9:22
so
9:23
incredibly
9:24
strong.
9:25
We
9:25
don't
9:25
see
9:25
that
9:26
in
9:26
the
9:26
United
9:26
States
9:26
right
9:26
now.
9:26
We're
9:27
all,
9:27
you
9:27
know,
9:27
we're
9:27
all
9:28
divided,
9:28
but
9:28
it
9:28
must
9:28
be
9:29
incredibly
9:29
powerful.
9:31
Exactly.
9:31
And
9:32
Ukrainian
9:33
nation
9:34
basically
9:34
got
9:34
aware
9:35
of
9:35
the
9:36
price
9:36
that
9:37
we
9:37
need
9:37
to
9:37
pay.
9:37
You
9:38
know,
9:38
to
9:38
stay
9:38
independent.
9:39
And
9:39
that's
9:40
the
9:40
path
9:41
of,
9:41
you
9:41
know,
9:41
growing
9:42
up.
9:43
In
9:43
the
9:43
essence,
9:43
you
9:44
need
9:44
to
9:44
really
9:45
sacrifice
9:45
so
9:46
much
9:46
to
9:46
stay
9:47
independent.
9:47
And
9:47
now
9:48
it's
9:48
an
9:49
important
9:49
part
9:49
of
9:50
our
9:50
lives
9:50
too.
9:51
And
9:51
our
9:51
conscious
9:52
choice,
9:52
as
9:52
you
9:52
mentioned
9:53
at
9:53
the
9:53
beginning,
9:54
so,
9:54
so
9:54
we
9:54
can
9:54
live
9:55
in
9:55
any,
9:55
any
9:56
other
9:56
European
9:56
countries.
9:57
We
9:57
could
9:57
flee
9:58
and
9:59
we
9:59
fled
9:59
for
10:00
one
10:00
year
10:00
roughly
10:01
at
10:01
the
10:01
beginning
10:02
of
10:02
this.
10:02
And
10:02
the
10:03
first
10:03
interview
10:04
we
10:04
had,
10:04
I
10:05
think
10:06
was
10:06
from
10:07
Vilnius,
10:07
from
10:08
my,
10:08
my
10:08
native
10:09
country,
10:09
Lithuania.
10:10
But
10:10
then
10:10
we
10:10
decided
10:11
to
10:11
get
10:12
back
10:12
just
10:12
to
10:13
be
10:13
part
10:14
of
10:14
this
10:14
fight,
10:14
which
10:15
gives
10:15
a
10:15
lot
10:16
of
10:16
meaning
10:17
to
10:17
life
10:18
and
10:18
completely
10:19
different
10:19
energy
10:19
in
10:20
a
10:20
sense.
10:20
There's
10:20
this
10:21
feeling
10:21
that
10:22
we
10:22
are
10:22
living
10:22
more
10:23
honest
10:24
life.
10:24
We
10:24
are
10:24
not
10:25
hiding
10:25
from
10:25
problems,
10:26
we
10:26
are
10:27
trying
10:27
to
10:27
face
10:27
them.
10:28
And
10:28
of
10:28
course
10:28
there's
10:29
a
10:29
lot
10:29
of
10:29
inconvenience,
10:31
a
10:31
lot
10:31
of
10:32
even,
10:32
I
10:33
would
10:33
say
10:33
suffering.
10:33
But,
10:34
but
10:35
part
10:35
of
10:35
that
10:35
is,
10:36
is
10:36
absolutely
10:36
conscious,
10:37
you
10:37
know,
10:38
and
10:38
so
10:38
much
10:38
support
10:39
to
10:39
each
10:39
other,
10:39
so
10:40
much
10:40
consolidation
10:41
of
10:41
society.
10:42
For
10:42
example,
10:42
in
10:43
these
10:43
cold
10:44
days,
10:44
there
10:44
are
10:45
so
10:45
called
10:46
resilience
10:46
centers
10:47
built
10:47
in
10:47
cities
10:48
in
10:48
Kiev
10:48
and
10:49
other
10:49
cities.
10:49
So
10:49
these
10:50
are
10:50
like
10:50
large
10:51
tents
10:52
that
10:52
are
10:52
heated
10:52
inside
10:53
and
10:53
people
10:54
from
10:54
those
10:55
houses
10:55
that
10:56
don't
10:56
have
10:56
heating,
10:57
they
10:57
come
10:58
and,
10:59
and
10:59
get
10:59
tea
10:59
and
11:00
even,
11:00
sometimes
11:01
even
11:01
sleep
11:01
there.
11:02
And
11:02
there's
11:03
so
11:03
much,
11:04
so
11:04
much
11:04
support
11:05
to
11:05
each
11:05
other
11:06
and
11:06
so
11:06
much
11:07
appreciation
11:08
of
11:08
simple
11:09
small
11:09
things.
11:09
So
11:09
for
11:10
example,
11:10
several
11:10
years
11:11
ago
11:11
we
11:11
could
11:11
not
11:12
believe
11:12
that
11:13
we
11:13
would
11:13
so
11:14
much
11:14
appreciate
11:14
like
11:16
heating
11:17
at
11:17
home,
11:17
you
11:17
know,
11:18
water,
11:19
and
11:20
very,
11:20
very,
11:21
very
11:21
like
11:22
simple
11:22
natural
11:23
utilities.
11:24
And
11:24
you
11:24
don't
11:25
notice
11:25
them
11:25
before
11:26
you
11:26
lose
11:26
them,
11:27
kind
11:27
of.
11:27
And
11:28
that's
11:29
something
11:29
we
11:29
started
11:29
to
11:30
appreciate
11:30
very
11:30
small
11:31
things.
11:31
Even
11:32
we
11:32
are,
11:33
at
11:33
the
11:33
moment,
11:34
we
11:34
have
11:34
electricity.
11:35
Our
11:35
regime
11:36
is
11:36
like
11:36
two,
11:36
three
11:37
hours
11:37
per
11:37
day
11:37
we
11:38
get
11:38
electricity
11:39
and
11:39
other
11:40
time
11:40
we
11:40
don't
11:41
because
11:42
the
11:42
electric
11:43
power
11:43
plants
11:44
are
11:44
bombed
11:46
so
11:46
badly
11:46
and
11:47
they
11:47
are
11:47
not
11:48
able
11:48
to
11:49
supply
11:49
the
11:49
whole
11:50
city
11:50
with
11:50
electricity.
11:52
But
11:52
we
11:52
invested
11:53
in
11:53
some
11:53
batteries,
11:54
in
11:54
accumulators
11:55
and
11:55
we
11:55
can
11:55
survive
11:56
for
11:56
a
11:56
little
11:56
bit
11:56
longer.
11:57
We
11:57
bought
11:58
some
11:58
tourist
11:59
kind
11:59
of
12:00
style
12:00
gas
12:01
furnace,
12:01
you
12:01
know,
12:01
and
12:02
stuff.
12:02
So
12:03
you
12:04
adapt,
12:04
you
12:04
learn
12:05
to
12:05
survive.
12:06
And
12:07
as
12:07
long
12:07
as
12:07
the
12:08
meaning
12:08
is
12:08
there,
12:08
it's
12:09
working
12:09
well.
12:10
And
12:10
of
12:10
course
12:11
we
12:11
know
12:11
that
12:11
we
12:11
don't
12:12
have
12:12
any
12:12
choice,
12:13
we
12:13
don't
12:14
have
12:14
a
12:14
choice
12:14
to
12:14
surrender.
12:16
There's
12:16
no,
12:17
absolutely
12:18
no
12:18
choice,
12:19
even
12:19
theoretical.
12:20
And
12:20
I
12:20
think
12:20
this
12:21
is
12:21
a
12:21
big
12:21
misunderstanding
12:22
that
12:23
a
12:23
lot
12:23
of
12:23
people
12:24
in
12:24
the
12:24
west,
12:24
even
12:25
not
12:25
only
12:25
in
12:25
the
12:26
US
12:26
but
12:26
also
12:26
in
12:27
Europe,
12:27
they
12:27
still
12:28
have
12:28
this,
12:28
how
12:28
to
12:29
put
12:29
it,
12:29
not
12:29
misunderstanding,
12:30
but
12:30
this
12:31
strange
12:31
doubt.
12:32
Okay,
12:32
why,
12:32
why
12:33
can't
12:33
you
12:33
just
12:34
accept?
12:35
Basically,
12:36
no,
12:36
there's,
12:37
there's
12:37
no
12:37
way
12:38
to
12:38
accept
12:38
the
12:39
war
12:39
will
12:39
not
12:39
end.
12:40
And
12:40
all
12:40
these
12:42
recent
12:42
peace
12:42
talks
12:43
or
12:43
so
12:43
called
12:43
peace
12:44
talks
12:44
or
12:44
the
12:45
imitation
12:46
of
12:46
peace
12:46
talks.
12:47
So
12:47
there's
12:47
one
12:47
form
12:48
of
12:48
imitation
12:49
going
12:49
from
12:49
Russia,
12:50
another
12:50
form
12:51
of
12:51
imitation
12:51
going
12:52
from
12:52
Trump
12:52
administration.
12:53
So
12:54
even
12:54
if
12:55
those
12:56
beautiful
12:56
kind
12:57
of
12:57
pictures
12:58
would
12:58
come
12:58
to
12:58
reality,
12:59
that
12:59
would
13:00
not
13:00
stop
13:00
the
13:00
war,
13:01
not
13:01
would
13:01
end.
13:02
So
13:02
this
13:02
war
13:03
doesn't
13:03
have
13:03
an
13:04
end
13:04
other
13:04
than
13:05
a
13:06
complete
13:06
loss
13:07
by
13:07
Russia
13:08
because
13:08
for
13:08
Ukraine,
13:09
there's
13:10
no
13:10
scenario
13:11
where
13:11
the
13:11
war
13:11
would
13:12
add
13:13
some
13:13
line
13:14
of
13:14
demarcation.
13:16
Yeah,
13:16
I
13:17
saw
13:17
the
13:17
peace
13:18
proposal
13:18
and
13:19
it
13:19
was
13:19
basically
13:20
a
13:20
Ukrainian
13:20
surrender
13:21
proposal.
13:21
Yeah,
13:22
it
13:22
was
13:23
extremely.
13:23
I
13:24
got
13:24
really
13:24
upset
13:24
and
13:25
really
13:25
angry
13:25
about
13:25
it.
13:26
And
13:26
even
13:26
that
13:27
would
13:27
not
13:27
solve
13:28
the
13:28
problem.
13:28
So.
13:29
Even
13:30
so.
13:30
Yeah,
13:30
yeah,
13:31
there's
13:31
really
13:31
no.
13:31
I
13:32
mean
13:32
this
13:32
is
13:32
your
13:32
existential
13:33
survival.
13:33
And
13:34
what
13:34
I
13:34
like
13:34
what
13:34
you
13:34
said.
13:34
Vedas
13:35
earlier
13:35
talked
13:36
about
13:36
the
13:37
intense
13:37
feeling
13:37
of
13:37
meaning
13:38
in
13:39
life.
13:39
You
13:39
guys
13:40
know
13:40
what
13:40
you're
13:40
doing,
13:40
you
13:41
know
13:41
why
13:41
you're
13:41
doing
13:41
it,
13:42
you
13:42
know
13:42
why
13:42
you're
13:42
sacrificing.
13:43
And
13:43
I
13:44
think
13:44
in
13:44
a
13:44
lot
13:44
of
13:44
Western
13:44
countries
13:45
and
13:45
in
13:45
the
13:45
United
13:45
States,
13:46
people
13:46
really
13:46
know
13:46
what
13:46
they're
13:47
living
13:47
for.
13:48
You
13:48
know,
13:48
it's
13:48
kind
13:48
of.
13:49
So
13:49
they
13:50
do
13:50
drugs
13:50
and
13:51
get
13:51
into
13:51
all
13:52
kinds
13:52
of
13:52
things
13:52
like
13:52
this.
13:53
And
13:53
because
13:54
they
13:54
don't
13:54
have
13:54
a
13:55
spiritual,
13:56
psychological
13:56
sinner,
13:57
this
13:58
is
13:58
why
13:58
I'm
13:58
alive.
13:58
This
13:59
is
13:59
my
13:59
duty,
13:59
this
14:00
is
14:00
what
14:00
I'm
14:00
going
14:00
to
14:00
do
14:00
with
14:00
my
14:01
life
14:01
for
14:01
my
14:01
people,
14:02
for
14:02
my
14:02
country,
14:02
for
14:02
the
14:03
world,
14:03
my
14:03
family,
14:04
whatever
14:04
it
14:04
is.
14:05
I
14:05
get
14:05
that
14:05
sense
14:06
from
14:06
you
14:06
guys
14:06
very
14:07
strongly
14:08
and
14:08
it's
14:08
deeply
14:09
moving
14:09
and
14:09
inspiring.
14:12
I
14:12
recently
14:13
stumbled
14:13
upon
14:14
a
14:14
book
14:14
by
14:15
James
14:15
Hillman
14:16
and
14:16
Michael
14:17
Ventura.
14:18
And
14:18
the
14:18
name
14:19
is
14:19
we've
14:20
had
14:20
a
14:20
hundred
14:20
years
14:20
of
14:21
psychotherapy
14:22
and
14:22
the
14:22
world's
14:23
getting
14:24
worse.
14:25
And
14:26
another
14:27
big
14:27
concept
14:28
of
14:28
this
14:29
author,
14:30
James
14:30
Hillman,
14:31
is
14:31
a
14:31
political
14:32
self.
14:33
So
14:34
the
14:34
connection
14:34
between
14:35
psychotherapy
14:36
and
14:36
politics
14:37
and
14:37
basically
14:38
why
14:38
we're
14:39
doing
14:39
so
14:39
much
14:40
healing
14:40
work
14:41
and
14:41
spiritual
14:42
work
14:42
and
14:42
psychotherapy,
14:43
like
14:43
what
14:43
for
14:44
and
14:44
what
14:45
is
14:45
the
14:45
basis
14:46
like
14:47
from
14:47
which
14:47
we
14:47
have
14:48
to
14:48
start?
14:48
And
14:49
here
14:50
we
14:50
think
14:51
there's.
14:51
Certain
14:51
things
14:52
are
14:52
very
14:53
obvious.
14:53
There
14:54
is
14:54
no
14:55
need
14:56
for
14:56
any
14:56
kind
14:57
of
14:57
spiritual
14:58
work
14:59
unless
15:00
you've
15:01
assured
15:01
that
15:01
there
15:02
is
15:02
democracy,
15:03
that
15:04
there
15:04
is
15:04
freedom
15:05
of
15:05
speech
15:05
and
15:06
freedom
15:06
of
15:07
expression.
15:08
All
15:09
the
15:09
rest
15:09
is
15:09
bypassing
15:11
is
15:11
escapism.
15:13
I
15:14
see
15:14
how
15:14
in,
15:15
in
15:15
super
15:16
authoritarian
15:17
regimes
15:19
people
15:19
are
15:20
escaping
15:21
into
15:22
spirituality
15:23
or
15:24
in
15:24
some
15:24
of
15:25
the
15:25
regimes
15:25
that
15:26
are
15:26
under
15:27
big
15:27
threat,
15:28
let's
15:29
not
15:29
call
15:29
it
15:29
regime,
15:30
but
15:30
in
15:30
the
15:31
political
15:31
setup
15:32
that
15:32
are
15:32
under
15:33
big
15:33
threat
15:33
of
15:34
authoritarianism,
15:35
like
15:35
in
15:35
the
15:35
U.S.
15:36
unfortunately,
15:38
people
15:40
do
15:40
not
15:40
know
15:41
what
15:41
are
15:41
the
15:42
tools,
15:43
like
15:43
how
15:44
to
15:44
manifest
15:45
their
15:45
political
15:46
self.
15:47
And
15:47
because
15:48
of
15:48
this
15:48
helplessness,
15:50
some
15:50
of
15:50
them,
15:51
they
15:51
escape
15:52
into
15:52
spirituality.
15:54
And
15:54
I
15:55
think
15:55
that,
15:56
I
15:56
personally
15:57
think,
15:57
and
15:57
based
15:58
on
15:58
our
15:58
experience,
15:59
it's
15:59
a
16:00
wrong
16:00
way.
16:01
So
16:02
the
16:02
best
16:03
way
16:03
to
16:03
practice
16:04
spirituality
16:05
is
16:05
actually
16:06
human
16:07
rights
16:07
assurance
16:08
and
16:09
activism
16:10
and
16:11
all
16:11
the
16:11
rest,
16:12
like
16:12
it's
16:13
coming
16:13
next,
16:13
it's
16:13
secondary.
16:14
And
16:14
it's
16:15
not
16:15
that
16:15
we
16:15
avoid
16:16
or
16:16
do
16:16
not
16:16
do
16:17
this
16:17
or
16:17
that.
16:17
Of
16:17
course
16:18
it
16:18
has
16:18
to
16:18
be
16:19
integral.
16:20
It
16:20
has
16:20
to
16:20
be
16:21
done
16:21
simultaneously,
16:22
ideally
16:24
what
16:24
we
16:24
feel
16:25
here.
16:25
And
16:25
I
16:26
really
16:26
don't
16:26
want
16:27
to
16:27
put
16:27
it
16:27
in
16:27
some,
16:28
you
16:28
know,
16:29
in
16:29
a
16:29
tone
16:30
that
16:30
we
16:30
know
16:30
something
16:31
that
16:31
others
16:31
don't
16:32
know.
16:32
I
16:32
believe
16:32
that
16:32
anybody
16:33
in
16:33
our
16:33
circumstances
16:34
will
16:34
come
16:35
to
16:35
the
16:35
same
16:35
conclusions
16:36
and
16:36
lessons.
16:37
In
16:37
our
16:38
case,
16:38
it's
16:38
like
16:38
karma
16:39
yoga.
16:39
Every
16:40
day.
16:40
Every
16:40
day
16:41
is
16:41
a
16:41
heroic
16:42
act.
16:42
I've
16:42
done
16:43
a
16:43
training
16:43
for
16:44
20
16:44
people
16:45
few
16:45
days
16:46
ago,
16:47
and
16:47
we
16:47
didn't
16:48
have
16:48
utilities,
16:50
heating,
16:50
water,
16:51
electricity.
16:52
And
16:52
I
16:53
did
16:53
it.
16:53
And
16:53
nobody
16:54
ran
16:55
away.
16:55
And
16:56
everybody
16:56
stayed,
16:57
and
16:57
everybody
16:57
stayed
16:58
focused.
16:58
And
16:58
we
16:58
shared
16:59
coffee
17:00
from
17:01
the
17:01
pots
17:01
that
17:02
were
17:02
brought
17:02
by
17:02
people
17:03
who
17:03
had
17:03
electricity.
17:05
And
17:05
we
17:05
ate
17:06
well
17:06
and
17:06
we
17:06
enjoyed
17:07
each
17:07
other.
17:07
And
17:07
we
17:08
learned.
17:08
It
17:08
was
17:09
a
17:09
productive
17:09
learning
17:10
process
17:10
because
17:11
people
17:11
at
17:11
the
17:12
same
17:12
time
17:12
are
17:13
very
17:13
keen
17:13
about
17:14
learning
17:15
and
17:15
growing.
17:16
Of
17:16
course,
17:16
when
17:17
the
17:17
like
17:18
very
17:18
basic
17:18
hygienical
17:20
needs,
17:20
like
17:21
at
17:21
least
17:21
it's.
17:21
It's
17:22
not
17:22
too
17:22
cold,
17:23
that's
17:24
really
17:24
important.
17:25
But
17:25
we
17:25
managed
17:26
to
17:26
solve
17:26
it.
17:27
So
17:27
I
17:27
really
17:28
would
17:28
like
17:28
to
17:29
draw
17:29
attention
17:30
of
17:30
your
17:30
listeners,
17:31
knowing
17:32
how
17:32
keen
17:33
your
17:33
community
17:34
is
17:34
about
17:34
growing
17:35
and
17:35
transforming.
17:36
And
17:36
the
17:36
aim
17:37
of
17:37
this
17:37
podcast
17:38
is
17:38
deep
17:38
transformation.
17:40
So
17:40
I
17:40
would
17:40
just
17:40
like
17:41
to
17:41
inspire
17:42
you
17:43
to
17:43
think
17:43
about
17:43
this
17:44
political
17:44
self.
17:45
I
17:45
think
17:45
this
17:45
is
17:46
something
17:46
in
17:47
current
17:47
situation
17:47
with
17:48
the
17:48
world.
17:48
It's
17:49
something
17:49
very
17:50
basic
17:51
from
17:51
which
17:51
we
17:51
have
17:52
to
17:52
start
17:52
our
17:52
spiritual
17:53
path.
17:55
So
17:55
for
17:55
deep
17:55
transformation
17:56
to
17:56
truly
17:57
happen
17:57
and
17:57
work,
17:58
it
17:58
has
17:58
to
17:59
be
17:59
include
18:00
politics
18:00
and
18:01
freedom
18:01
and
18:02
democracy.
18:03
That's
18:03
very
18:03
clear.
18:03
I
18:04
couldn't
18:04
have
18:04
said
18:04
it
18:04
better.
18:06
I
18:06
just
18:07
imagine
18:07
your
18:07
group,
18:07
you
18:07
know,
18:08
everybody
18:08
you're
18:08
sitting
18:08
next
18:09
to
18:09
is
18:09
a
18:09
hero.
18:09
You
18:10
know,
18:10
it
18:10
just
18:10
must
18:10
be
18:11
an
18:11
amazing
18:12
place
18:12
to
18:12
do
18:12
a
18:12
group.
18:13
And
18:14
what
18:14
do
18:14
you
18:15
guys
18:15
think
18:15
is
18:16
I
18:16
took
18:16
some
18:16
notes
18:17
about
18:17
this
18:17
that
18:17
I
18:17
wanted
18:18
to
18:18
ask.
18:18
What
18:19
is
18:19
keeping
18:19
you
18:19
together?
18:20
Is
18:20
it
18:20
humor?
18:21
Is
18:21
it
18:21
ritual,
18:22
Faith,
18:22
music,
18:23
service,
18:24
community?
18:25
You
18:25
already
18:25
mentioned
18:25
the
18:26
deep
18:26
sense
18:26
of
18:26
purpose
18:27
and
18:27
meaning.
18:28
Is
18:28
there
18:28
anything
18:28
that
18:28
stands
18:29
out
18:29
for
18:29
you
18:29
that's
18:29
really
18:30
cohering
18:31
your
18:31
people?
18:32
Why
18:32
don't
18:32
you
18:32
start
18:33
from
18:33
your
18:34
theatrical
18:35
performances?
18:36
Yeah,
18:36
I
18:37
told
18:37
a
18:37
lot
18:38
during
18:38
your
18:38
podcast
18:39
about
18:40
theater
18:40
projects
18:41
that
18:41
I've
18:41
been
18:42
doing
18:42
for,
18:42
for
18:43
years
18:43
and
18:43
now
18:44
it's
18:45
blossoming,
18:47
basically.
18:47
Yeah,
18:47
people
18:48
are
18:48
coming
18:48
to
18:49
those
18:49
cold
18:50
halls,
18:50
but
18:51
still
18:51
they
18:51
so
18:51
much
18:52
need
18:52
the
18:53
culture,
18:54
cultural,
18:55
deep
18:55
cultural
18:56
experience.
18:56
And
18:57
in
18:57
the
18:57
we
18:58
space,
18:58
you
18:58
know,
18:58
in
18:58
the
18:59
shared.
19:00
Yes.
19:01
So
19:01
all
19:01
what
19:02
you
19:02
mentioned
19:03
works
19:03
very
19:04
well.
19:04
What
19:05
changed
19:06
and
19:06
what,
19:06
for
19:06
example,
19:07
I
19:08
do
19:08
a
19:08
lot.
19:09
We
19:09
host
19:09
a
19:09
lot
19:10
of
19:10
people
19:10
at
19:10
our
19:10
place,
19:12
both
19:12
for
19:12
learning
19:13
programs,
19:14
like
19:14
every
19:14
second
19:15
week
19:15
on
19:15
Mondays
19:16
we
19:16
have
19:16
around
19:16
20
19:17
people.
19:18
For
19:18
example,
19:19
learning
19:20
one
19:20
of
19:20
the
19:21
recent
19:21
books
19:22
by
19:22
our
19:22
dear
19:23
colleague
19:23
and
19:23
friend
19:24
Valeriy
19:24
Pekar,
19:25
who
19:25
is
19:25
a
19:25
Ukrainian
19:25
integralist
19:26
and
19:26
who
19:27
wrote
19:27
a
19:27
book,
19:28
the
19:28
Conversations
19:29
of
19:30
the
19:30
Master
19:31
Haitao,
19:31
which
19:32
is
19:32
about
19:33
Chinese
19:36
stratagem,
19:37
old
19:37
Chinese
19:37
stratagems,
19:38
basically
19:38
there.
19:39
So
19:40
we
19:40
are
19:41
reading.
19:41
This
19:41
is
19:41
like
19:42
a
19:42
group
19:42
reading.
19:42
We're
19:43
reading
19:43
and
19:44
processing
19:45
it.
19:45
And
19:45
people
19:46
sharing
19:46
stories
19:47
from
19:47
their
19:47
lives,
19:48
how
19:48
they
19:48
used
19:49
stratagems
19:50
in
19:51
order
19:51
to
19:52
make
19:52
better
19:53
decisions.
19:54
So
19:54
this
19:54
is
19:54
a
19:54
highly
19:54
intellectual
19:55
work,
19:55
I
19:56
would
19:56
say.
19:56
And
19:57
people
19:57
are
19:57
getting
19:57
together,
19:58
they
19:58
enjoy
19:59
each
19:59
other,
19:59
they
20:00
enjoy
20:01
the
20:01
fireplace
20:03
and
20:03
we
20:04
also
20:04
have
20:05
food
20:06
and
20:06
warm
20:07
drinks.
20:08
Besides
20:08
that,
20:09
even
20:09
now,
20:10
at
20:10
the
20:10
moment,
20:11
like
20:11
the
20:11
recent
20:12
months,
20:12
we've
20:13
hosted
20:13
three
20:14
friends
20:15
whose
20:15
in
20:15
their
20:16
place.
20:16
The
20:17
temperature
20:17
is
20:18
very
20:18
low,
20:19
they
20:19
don't
20:20
have
20:20
heating
20:20
and
20:20
they
20:21
don't
20:21
have
20:21
heating.
20:22
So
20:22
we
20:22
hosted
20:23
them.
20:24
And
20:25
I
20:25
need
20:25
to
20:26
say
20:26
that
20:26
even
20:27
five
20:27
years
20:27
ago,
20:28
if
20:28
someone
20:28
would
20:29
say
20:30
that
20:30
we
20:30
would
20:30
do
20:31
it
20:31
so
20:31
easily,
20:32
like
20:33
without
20:34
fighting
20:34
for
20:34
privacy
20:35
or
20:36
really
20:36
being
20:37
conscious
20:37
about
20:37
how
20:38
it
20:38
will
20:39
be
20:39
for
20:40
us
20:40
having
20:41
three
20:41
adult
20:42
people
20:43
basically
20:43
co
20:44
living
20:44
with
20:44
them
20:44
for
20:46
such
20:46
a
20:46
long
20:46
time
20:46
without
20:47
some
20:48
concrete
20:48
agreements
20:49
on
20:49
for
20:50
how
20:50
long,
20:51
et
20:51
cetera,
20:51
et
20:51
cetera,
20:52
that
20:52
would
20:53
be
20:53
for
20:53
the
20:54
previous
20:54
version
20:55
of
20:55
us,
20:55
before
20:56
the
20:56
full
20:56
scale
20:57
invasion.
20:57
That
20:57
would
20:58
sound
20:58
a
20:58
little
20:58
weird.
21:00
Now
21:00
we
21:00
just
21:01
take
21:01
it
21:01
easy.
21:02
We
21:02
have
21:02
changed
21:03
because
21:04
every
21:04
day
21:04
is
21:05
a
21:05
gift.
21:06
And
21:06
if
21:06
you
21:07
can
21:07
help
21:07
with
21:08
something
21:08
simple
21:09
to
21:10
someone
21:10
who
21:11
is
21:11
dear
21:11
to
21:11
you,
21:12
it
21:12
gives
21:13
you
21:13
so
21:13
much
21:14
joy
21:15
and
21:15
inspiration
21:17
that
21:17
people
21:18
are
21:18
very
21:19
open
21:19
to
21:20
share.
21:20
And
21:21
this
21:21
is
21:22
something
21:22
very
21:23
precious,
21:23
I
21:23
would
21:23
say.
21:24
I
21:24
think
21:24
that
21:24
we
21:24
have
21:24
become
21:25
better
21:25
humans.
21:26
That's
21:26
if
21:27
put
21:27
it
21:27
shortly,
21:28
like
21:28
what
21:28
happened
21:29
within
21:29
these
21:29
four
21:30
years,
21:31
besides
21:32
huge
21:32
number
21:33
of
21:33
learnings
21:34
and
21:34
lessons
21:35
that
21:35
we've
21:35
learned
21:37
from
21:37
intellectual,
21:38
emotional,
21:38
spiritual,
21:39
moral
21:39
perspective,
21:41
being
21:41
part
21:41
of
21:41
this
21:42
whole
21:42
field,
21:43
I
21:43
think
21:44
we,
21:45
we
21:45
have
21:45
become
21:45
better
21:46
humans.
21:47
And
21:47
what,
21:47
what
21:48
could
21:48
be
21:48
kind
21:49
of
21:49
better
21:49
for
21:50
adult
21:50
people
21:51
to
21:51
become
21:51
a
21:52
little
21:52
bit
21:52
more
21:52
adult.
21:53
It
21:53
recalls
21:54
a
21:54
statement
21:54
I
21:55
heard
21:55
somebody
21:55
said
21:55
that
21:56
Christians
21:56
are
21:57
like
21:57
making
21:57
tea,
21:58
the
21:58
hotter
21:58
the
21:58
water,
21:58
the
21:59
better
21:59
the
21:59
Christian.
22:00
The
22:00
heat
22:01
seems
22:01
to
22:02
just
22:03
make
22:03
them
22:03
more
22:03
Christian
22:04
in
22:04
a
22:04
real
22:04
sense
22:05
of
22:05
the
22:05
word.
22:05
Sounds
22:06
like
22:06
you're
22:06
living
22:06
in
22:07
a
22:07
very
22:07
Christian
22:07
nation
22:08
as
22:08
far
22:08
as
22:08
the
22:09
higher
22:09
values
22:09
of
22:09
Christianity.
22:11
We
22:11
would
22:11
like
22:11
to
22:11
hope
22:12
so
22:12
at
22:12
least.
22:13
Yeah,
22:14
it
22:14
seems
22:14
so.
22:14
And,
22:15
and
22:15
the
22:15
humor
22:15
you
22:16
mentioned
22:16
Humor,
22:17
the
22:17
Ukrainian
22:18
humor,
22:18
especially
22:19
the
22:19
military
22:19
humor.
22:20
It's.
22:20
It's
22:21
hard
22:21
to
22:21
quote
22:22
right
22:22
away.
22:22
I
22:22
don't
22:23
know
22:23
if
22:23
I'll.
22:23
I'll
22:24
come
22:24
up
22:24
with
22:24
anything
22:25
during
22:25
this
22:25
talk,
22:25
but.
22:26
But
22:26
it's
22:26
very
22:27
specific
22:27
and
22:28
very
22:28
cynical
22:29
in
22:29
a
22:29
way.
22:29
But
22:29
that
22:30
helps
22:30
so
22:30
much,
22:31
you
22:31
know,
22:31
to
22:31
keep
22:31
up
22:32
the
22:32
moods.
22:32
And
22:33
it's
22:33
endless.
22:34
Basically,
22:35
any
22:35
situation,
22:36
any
22:36
new
22:36
stupidity
22:37
heard
22:37
from
22:38
Trumbo,
22:38
anyone,
22:39
and
22:39
the
22:40
next
22:40
reaction
22:41
in
22:41
a
22:41
few
22:41
seconds,
22:42
literally
22:42
there's
22:43
another
22:43
meme
22:44
or
22:44
another
22:45
kind
22:45
of,
22:46
I
22:46
don't
22:46
know,
22:47
video
22:47
interpretation
22:48
or
22:48
whatever.
22:49
It
22:49
helps
22:50
so
22:50
much.
22:51
Yeah,
22:51
yeah.
22:52
And
22:52
in
22:52
the
22:52
United
22:52
States,
22:53
some
22:53
of
22:53
our
22:54
top
22:54
comedians
22:55
have
22:55
been
22:55
almost
22:56
like
22:56
our
22:56
priests
22:57
to
22:57
help
22:57
people
22:57
process
22:58
what's
22:58
going
22:58
on
22:58
in
22:58
the
22:59
country.
22:59
Exactly.
22:59
You
23:00
know,
23:00
when
23:00
you
23:00
put
23:00
it
23:00
in
23:01
that
23:01
term,
23:01
they're
23:02
speaking
23:02
the
23:02
absolute
23:03
truth,
23:03
but
23:03
they
23:03
do
23:03
it
23:04
in
23:04
humorous
23:04
terms.
23:05
And
23:05
it
23:05
really
23:05
helps
23:06
because
23:07
we
23:07
are.
23:07
Our
23:08
country
23:08
is
23:08
also
23:08
under
23:08
threat.
23:09
Not
23:10
like
23:10
yours,
23:10
but
23:11
from
23:11
within.
23:12
And
23:12
a
23:12
threat
23:13
on
23:13
democracy.
23:13
And
23:14
everything
23:14
that
23:14
America
23:15
stood
23:15
for
23:15
from
23:15
the
23:15
very
23:15
beginning
23:16
is
23:17
daily
23:17
being
23:17
attacked.
23:18
And
23:18
that
23:19
is
23:19
very
23:19
psychologically
23:20
very
23:20
hard.
23:21
And
23:21
I
23:21
have
23:21
a.
23:21
A
23:22
good
23:22
friend
23:22
who
23:23
is
23:23
a
23:23
psychotherapist
23:24
and
23:24
he
23:25
says
23:25
he
23:25
doesn't
23:25
have
23:25
a,
23:27
a
23:27
client
23:28
session
23:29
without
23:30
the
23:30
politics
23:31
and
23:31
what's
23:32
going
23:32
on
23:32
in
23:32
mayor
23:32
coming
23:32
as
23:33
being
23:33
part
23:33
of
23:33
that
23:33
conversation.
23:34
So
23:34
it's
23:35
very
23:35
real
23:35
for
23:35
us
23:36
here.
23:36
I
23:36
can
23:37
bring
23:37
one
23:38
very
23:38
quick
23:38
illustration.
23:39
So,
23:39
for
23:39
example,
23:40
the.
23:41
The
23:41
next
23:41
day
23:42
the
23:42
Epstein
23:43
files
23:44
were
23:44
released.
23:44
There
23:45
was
23:45
an
23:45
article
23:46
in
23:46
a
23:46
regional
23:47
newspaper
23:48
in
23:48
a
23:48
small
23:48
town
23:49
which
23:49
is
23:49
called
23:49
Ternopil.
23:51
It's
23:51
a
23:51
relatively
23:52
small
23:52
town
23:52
in,
23:52
in
23:53
Ukraine.
23:53
And
23:54
the
23:54
headlight
23:54
was.
23:55
No
23:55
one
23:55
from
23:56
Ternopel
23:57
was
23:57
exposed
23:57
in
23:58
the
23:58
Epstein
23:59
files,
24:01
which
24:01
is
24:02
already
24:02
a
24:02
victory,
24:05
which
24:05
is
24:06
like
24:06
it
24:07
all.
24:08
They're
24:08
about
24:08
the
24:09
only
24:09
ones.
24:09
Oh
24:09
my
24:10
God.
24:10
There
24:11
was
24:11
a
24:11
picture
24:11
of
24:11
Obama
24:12
walking
24:12
down
24:13
the
24:13
road
24:13
and
24:13
they
24:13
said,
24:14
what
24:14
is
24:14
it
24:14
about
24:15
this
24:15
guy?
24:15
He's
24:16
not
24:16
in
24:16
the
24:16
Epstein
24:17
files.
24:17
You
24:17
know,
24:17
so
24:18
it's
24:18
like.
24:18
Yeah,
24:19
so.
24:20
And.
24:20
Yeah.
24:21
Yes.
24:22
So
24:22
Ukraine
24:23
is
24:23
a
24:23
real
24:24
time
24:24
laboratory
24:25
for
24:26
understanding,
24:27
resilience,
24:28
agency,
24:30
meaning
24:31
making
24:32
and
24:32
in
24:32
a
24:32
way,
24:33
moral
24:33
development
24:34
under
24:34
extreme
24:35
conditions.
24:36
Absolutely.
24:38
Vetus,
24:38
you
24:38
know,
24:38
your
24:39
specialty
24:39
is
24:39
leadership,
24:40
and
24:40
I've
24:41
always
24:41
been
24:41
very
24:41
interested
24:42
in
24:42
the
24:42
topic.
24:43
So
24:43
from
24:43
the
24:43
time
24:43
that
24:43
you
24:43
started
24:44
doing
24:44
this,
24:44
I
24:44
guess
24:45
at
24:45
the
24:45
beginning
24:45
of
24:45
the
24:45
invasion,
24:47
what
24:47
have
24:47
you
24:47
learned
24:47
and
24:48
what
24:48
has
24:48
stood
24:49
out
24:49
most
24:49
for
24:49
you,
24:49
the
24:50
people
24:50
you're
24:50
working
24:50
with
24:51
and
24:51
what
24:51
you're
24:51
trying
24:51
to
24:51
promote.
24:52
Yeah,
24:52
that's
24:53
a
24:53
big
24:53
one.
24:53
I'm
24:54
thinking
24:54
how
24:55
to
24:55
structure
24:55
it.
24:55
So.
24:56
Yeah,
24:56
leadership.
24:57
The
24:58
form
24:58
of
24:59
leadership
24:59
that
24:59
we
25:00
witness
25:00
here
25:00
and
25:01
that
25:01
we
25:01
see
25:01
in
25:02
both
25:02
in
25:02
Business
25:02
and
25:03
in
25:03
military
25:04
and
25:04
sometimes
25:05
in
25:05
politics
25:05
and
25:06
in
25:06
social
25:06
life.
25:07
There
25:08
are
25:09
really
25:09
beautiful
25:10
examples
25:10
of
25:10
leadership.
25:11
So
25:11
the,
25:12
a
25:12
common
25:13
denominator,
25:13
I
25:14
would
25:14
say
25:14
is
25:14
courage.
25:15
We
25:16
basically
25:17
generally
25:18
in
25:18
Ukraine
25:19
we
25:19
don't
25:19
have
25:20
this
25:20
opportunity
25:21
anymore
25:21
or
25:22
to
25:22
luxury
25:22
to
25:22
hide
25:23
in
25:23
self
25:24
deception
25:24
because
25:25
everything
25:25
is
25:25
too
25:26
obvious.
25:26
So
25:26
basically
25:27
you
25:27
really
25:27
need
25:28
to
25:28
take
25:28
responsibility
25:29
and
25:29
you
25:29
really
25:30
need
25:30
to
25:30
do
25:30
things.
25:31
And
25:32
the
25:32
courage
25:33
in
25:33
leadership
25:34
is
25:34
amazing.
25:35
And
25:36
my
25:37
interpretation
25:38
why
25:38
we
25:38
are
25:39
seeing
25:39
a
25:39
lot
25:39
of
25:40
that
25:40
is
25:40
that
25:41
people
25:41
cannot
25:42
stay
25:43
reactive
25:44
for
25:44
too
25:44
long.
25:45
And
25:45
I
25:45
like
25:46
this
25:46
concept
25:46
of,
25:46
you
25:47
know,
25:47
reactive
25:47
leadership
25:48
versus
25:48
creative
25:49
leadership.
25:49
So
25:50
reactive
25:50
when
25:50
you
25:50
are
25:51
reacting
25:51
to
25:52
some
25:52
danger,
25:53
going
25:54
out
25:54
of
25:54
fear
25:55
and
25:55
creative
25:56
leadership.
25:56
So
25:57
in
25:57
better
25:57
times
25:57
you
25:58
have
25:58
this
25:59
luxury,
26:00
you
26:00
know,
26:00
to
26:00
hide
26:01
a
26:01
little
26:01
bit
26:01
and
26:01
to
26:02
stay
26:02
on
26:02
your
26:02
kind
26:03
of
26:03
comfort
26:04
zone
26:04
and
26:04
to
26:05
engage
26:05
in
26:05
your
26:06
habitual
26:07
leadership
26:09
styles
26:09
and
26:09
tendencies.
26:11
And
26:11
in
26:12
times
26:12
like
26:13
these
26:13
you
26:14
don't
26:14
have
26:14
this
26:14
luxury
26:15
anymore.
26:15
So
26:16
basically
26:16
what
26:17
is
26:17
happening
26:17
that
26:18
a
26:18
lot
26:18
of
26:18
leaders
26:18
are
26:19
naturally
26:20
pushed.
26:21
So
26:22
it's
26:22
a
26:23
kind
26:23
of
26:23
an
26:23
evolutionary
26:25
elevator,
26:25
I
26:26
would
26:26
say.
26:26
The
26:26
leadership
26:27
comes
26:27
to
26:27
the
26:27
fore
26:27
because
26:28
of
26:28
the
26:28
conditions.
26:29
Yeah,
26:29
you
26:30
don't
26:30
have
26:30
much
26:30
choice.
26:30
And
26:31
you
26:31
start
26:31
practicing
26:32
this
26:32
more
26:33
courageous
26:33
leadership
26:34
to
26:34
take
26:34
responsibility,
26:35
to
26:35
act
26:36
quickly,
26:36
to
26:36
you
26:37
see
26:37
an
26:37
opportunity,
26:38
you
26:38
go
26:38
do
26:39
things
26:39
and
26:39
people
26:40
join
26:40
in.
26:41
That's
26:41
something
26:42
very,
26:42
very
26:42
special.
26:43
Basically
26:43
I
26:44
remember
26:45
working
26:45
with
26:46
some
26:46
businesses
26:47
before
26:47
this
26:48
full
26:48
scale
26:48
invasion,
26:49
let's
26:50
say
26:50
2018
26:51
to
26:52
I
26:52
don't
26:52
know,
26:52
21.
26:54
And
26:54
the
26:54
general,
26:55
general
26:56
sense
26:56
was
26:56
a
26:57
bit
26:57
different.
26:57
So
26:58
it
26:58
was
26:58
more
26:58
like
26:59
how
26:59
to
26:59
help
27:00
those
27:00
leaders
27:01
see
27:01
and
27:02
become
27:03
aware
27:03
of
27:03
their
27:04
reactivity
27:05
and
27:05
then
27:05
ask
27:06
themselves
27:06
okay,
27:07
what
27:07
would
27:07
it
27:07
take
27:07
for
27:08
me
27:08
to
27:08
overcome
27:09
that
27:09
and
27:10
up
27:10
more
27:10
creative
27:11
leadership
27:11
capacity.
27:12
And
27:12
now,
27:13
now
27:13
it's
27:13
that
27:14
the
27:14
whole
27:15
field
27:15
is
27:15
pushing
27:16
them
27:16
and
27:17
especially
27:17
we
27:18
have
27:18
very,
27:18
very
27:19
impressive
27:20
examples
27:20
of
27:21
leaders
27:21
showing
27:22
up
27:22
in
27:23
military.
27:24
There
27:24
are
27:25
super
27:25
powerful
27:25
leaders
27:26
and
27:26
these,
27:27
I
27:27
would
27:27
say
27:27
that
27:28
this
27:28
is
27:28
the
27:28
grassroots
27:29
movement,
27:29
you
27:30
know,
27:30
because
27:30
those,
27:31
those
27:31
people
27:31
were
27:32
not
27:32
known
27:33
before
27:33
and
27:34
they're
27:34
growing
27:35
from
27:35
low
27:35
ranks.
27:36
But
27:37
what
27:37
we
27:37
see
27:37
and
27:38
a
27:38
lot
27:38
of
27:39
business
27:39
practices
27:40
are
27:40
applied
27:41
in
27:41
armies.
27:42
So
27:42
some
27:43
of
27:43
the
27:43
most
27:44
successful
27:45
army
27:45
corps,
27:46
they
27:46
look
27:46
like
27:47
very
27:47
successful
27:48
corporations
27:49
and
27:49
they
27:49
are
27:49
applying
27:50
a
27:50
lot
27:50
of
27:50
orange
27:51
logic,
27:51
but
27:52
a
27:52
healthy
27:52
orange
27:53
and
27:53
also
27:53
some,
27:53
even
27:54
some
27:54
green.
27:54
And
27:55
for
27:55
example,
27:55
recently
27:56
Ukrainian
27:57
army
27:57
has
27:57
been
27:58
applying
27:59
a
27:59
lot
27:59
of
27:59
gaming
28:00
logic
28:00
in
28:00
the
28:01
military.
28:01
Basically
28:02
the
28:03
military
28:03
units
28:04
are
28:04
reporting
28:05
basically
28:05
the
28:06
points
28:06
that
28:06
they're
28:07
getting
28:07
for,
28:08
you
28:08
know,
28:08
liquidating,
28:09
you
28:09
know,
28:09
Russian
28:10
assault
28:11
groups
28:11
or
28:12
machinery
28:12
or
28:12
something.
28:13
And
28:14
so
28:14
a
28:14
lot
28:15
of
28:15
innovation,
28:15
a
28:16
lot
28:16
of
28:16
creative
28:17
thinking.
28:18
So
28:18
they
28:18
get
28:18
the
28:18
points.
28:19
And
28:19
the
28:20
more
28:20
points
28:20
they
28:20
get,
28:21
the
28:21
more
28:21
equipment
28:22
they
28:22
get.
28:23
Yeah.
28:24
So
28:24
basically
28:24
What?
28:25
So
28:25
the
28:25
more
28:25
effective
28:26
they
28:26
are,
28:27
the
28:27
more
28:27
possibilities
28:28
to
28:28
be
28:29
even
28:29
more
28:29
effective
28:30
they
28:30
get.
28:31
Wow.
28:32
And
28:32
some
28:32
young
28:33
people,
28:34
those
28:34
who
28:34
were
28:35
video
28:36
gamers
28:36
basically,
28:37
they
28:37
found
28:38
themselves
28:38
so
28:38
successful
28:39
in
28:39
the
28:39
army
28:40
because
28:41
they
28:42
know
28:42
what
28:42
to
28:42
do.
28:42
Only
28:43
the
28:43
difference
28:44
is
28:44
that
28:44
the
28:44
targets
28:45
are
28:45
real
28:45
now.
28:46
Yeah.
28:47
So
28:47
a
28:47
lot
28:48
of
28:48
beautiful
28:49
leadership.
28:49
And
28:49
of
28:49
course,
28:50
it's
28:50
not
28:50
that
28:51
black
28:51
and
28:51
white
28:51
or
28:52
not
28:52
that
28:52
white,
28:53
because
28:53
a
28:54
lot
28:54
of
28:54
people
28:54
are
28:55
exhausted
28:55
and
28:56
a
28:56
lot
28:56
of
28:56
people
28:56
need
28:57
help.
28:57
They
28:57
need
28:58
to
28:58
kind
28:59
of.
28:59
To
28:59
find
28:59
ways
29:00
to
29:01
recover,
29:02
to
29:02
get
29:02
back
29:02
on
29:02
track.
29:03
And
29:03
there's
29:04
a
29:04
lot
29:04
of
29:04
this
29:04
kind
29:05
of
29:05
work,
29:05
too.
29:06
Yeah.
29:07
I
29:07
wanted
29:07
to
29:07
add
29:08
that
29:08
recently
29:09
our
29:09
Minister
29:10
of
29:10
digital
29:11
transformation
29:12
became
29:13
the
29:13
Minister
29:13
of
29:14
Defense.
29:16
And
29:16
how
29:17
old
29:17
is
29:17
he?
29:18
He's
29:18
30.
29:19
I
29:20
would
29:20
say
29:20
it's
29:21
five
29:21
maybe.
29:22
Maybe
29:23
in
29:23
his
29:23
late
29:24
30s
29:24
or.
29:25
Or
29:25
maybe
29:25
early
29:26
40s,
29:26
but
29:26
he's
29:27
relatively
29:27
young.
29:29
Yeah.
29:30
The
29:30
Ukrainian
29:30
resistance
29:31
has
29:32
just
29:32
changed
29:34
military
29:35
science
29:35
all
29:35
over
29:35
the
29:36
world.
29:36
It
29:36
just
29:36
completely
29:38
changed
29:38
everything.
29:38
You
29:39
can't
29:39
even
29:39
think
29:40
about
29:40
spending
29:41
any
29:41
money
29:41
without
29:42
drawing
29:42
from
29:42
the
29:43
lessons
29:43
that
29:43
Ukraine
29:44
has
29:44
taught
29:45
us
29:45
in
29:45
blood
29:46
and
29:46
courage.
29:47
Yes.
29:47
And
29:48
everybody
29:48
is
29:48
involved.
29:49
For
29:49
example,
29:49
yesterday
29:51
we
29:51
were
29:51
in
29:51
the
29:52
gun
29:53
shop.
29:53
In
29:53
the
29:53
gun
29:53
shop,
29:54
we
29:55
finished
29:55
the
29:56
crowdfunding
29:57
campaign
29:58
for
29:58
2000
29:59
Euro.
30:01
Basically
30:01
yesterday
30:02
reached
30:02
the
30:02
goal
30:02
because
30:03
we
30:03
produced
30:03
a
30:04
number
30:04
of
30:04
intellectual
30:05
products
30:05
together
30:06
with
30:06
our
30:07
friends.
30:08
And
30:08
from
30:08
each
30:08
of
30:09
these
30:09
intellectual
30:09
products,
30:10
there
30:10
was
30:10
a
30:10
pot
30:10
that
30:11
raised
30:11
some
30:11
funds.
30:12
We
30:12
raised
30:12
some
30:12
funds.
30:13
And
30:14
yesterday
30:14
we.
30:15
We
30:15
bought
30:15
savage
30:17
rifle.
30:18
108
30:19
caliber.
30:20
Yeah.
30:20
Right.
30:20
308.
30:21
Yeah.
30:22
308.
30:22
Yeah.
30:23
Which
30:23
will
30:23
be
30:24
used
30:24
to
30:24
train
30:25
snipers
30:25
and
30:25
for
30:26
their
30:26
defense.
30:26
So
30:27
basically
30:27
where
30:28
everyone
30:28
is,
30:29
is
30:29
contributing
30:30
one
30:30
way
30:30
or
30:30
another.
30:31
Yeah.
30:32
We
30:32
couldn't
30:32
imagine
30:32
in
30:33
the
30:33
United
30:33
States
30:33
raising
30:34
money
30:34
to
30:34
buy
30:34
a.
30:35
A
30:35
sniper
30:36
rifle.
30:36
You
30:36
know,
30:37
it's
30:37
like.
30:37
It's
30:37
just
30:37
so
30:38
beyond
30:38
our
30:38
experience.
30:39
It's.
30:39
It's.
30:41
Wow.
30:42
And
30:42
this
30:43
is
30:43
the
30:43
key,
30:43
I
30:44
believe,
30:45
because
30:46
unless
30:47
you
30:48
are
30:48
ready
30:49
to
30:50
defend
30:51
the
30:51
values
30:53
you
30:53
associate
30:54
with
30:54
or
30:55
you
30:55
consider
30:56
yours
30:57
with
30:57
a
30:57
rifle,
30:59
then
31:00
it's
31:01
empty.
31:02
Basically,
31:03
there
31:03
is
31:04
nothing
31:04
to
31:04
speak
31:05
about.
31:06
And
31:06
this
31:07
is
31:07
a
31:07
disease,
31:08
I
31:08
believe,
31:09
in
31:09
the
31:09
west,
31:10
because
31:10
people
31:10
speak
31:11
a
31:11
lot
31:11
about
31:12
freedom
31:13
and
31:13
dignity
31:14
and
31:14
holding
31:15
space.
31:15
Pacifism.
31:17
Let's
31:17
stay.
31:18
We
31:19
are
31:19
pacifists.
31:20
We
31:20
were
31:20
never,
31:21
you
31:21
know,
31:22
before
31:22
this
31:22
war,
31:23
we
31:23
were
31:23
never
31:24
interested
31:25
in
31:25
these
31:25
kind
31:25
of
31:26
things.
31:26
But
31:26
now
31:27
it's
31:27
a
31:27
choice
31:28
to
31:28
defend
31:29
ourselves,
31:29
continue
31:29
to
31:29
be
31:30
pacifists
31:30
in
31:31
a
31:31
way,
31:31
like
31:31
we
31:31
are
31:32
for
31:32
peace.
31:33
We
31:34
only
31:34
wish
31:35
that
31:36
the
31:36
Ukrainian
31:37
nation
31:37
and
31:37
Ukrainian
31:38
identity
31:39
is
31:39
preserved
31:40
and
31:40
there
31:40
is
31:41
no
31:41
other
31:41
way
31:41
to
31:41
preserve
31:42
it.
31:42
Unless
31:43
there
31:44
are
31:44
snipers
31:44
and
31:45
there
31:45
are
31:45
warriors
31:46
that
31:46
are
31:46
equipped
31:47
so
31:48
that
31:48
they
31:48
could
31:48
Protect
31:49
these
31:49
values
31:50
and
31:50
these
31:50
people
31:51
and
31:51
both
31:52
young
31:53
and
31:53
old,
31:54
men
31:54
and
31:54
women.
31:56
So
31:56
I
31:57
think
31:57
that
31:57
in
31:58
today's
31:58
world,
32:00
every
32:00
adult
32:01
person
32:02
with
32:02
democratic,
32:03
leftist,
32:04
whatever,
32:04
spiritual
32:06
abuse
32:07
has
32:07
to
32:07
be
32:08
able
32:08
to
32:09
use
32:10
weapon
32:11
to
32:11
defend
32:12
what
32:12
is
32:12
really
32:12
important.
32:13
So
32:13
that
32:13
it
32:14
would
32:14
be
32:14
an
32:14
embodied
32:15
experience
32:17
of
32:18
self
32:18
defense
32:19
or
32:19
defense
32:20
of
32:20
those
32:21
who
32:21
are
32:21
dear
32:22
to
32:22
you.
32:22
And
32:23
the
32:24
protective
32:24
use
32:24
of
32:25
force.
32:25
Exactly.
32:25
This
32:26
is
32:26
not
32:26
violence,
32:26
this
32:27
is
32:27
protective
32:27
use
32:28
of
32:28
force.
32:29
And
32:29
this
32:29
is
32:29
a
32:30
new
32:30
skill
32:30
that
32:31
has
32:31
to
32:31
be
32:31
acquired
32:31
by
32:32
everyone
32:33
here.
32:33
Everybody,
32:34
I
32:35
suppose,
32:35
will
32:36
soon
32:36
get
32:37
trained,
32:38
which
32:39
is
32:39
part
32:40
of
32:40
absolutely
32:41
normal
32:43
life
32:43
and
32:44
requirements
32:44
for
32:45
an
32:45
adult
32:45
person.
32:46
In
32:47
Finland
32:48
they've
32:48
done
32:48
it.
32:49
In
32:49
Switzerland
32:49
they've
32:50
done
32:50
it.
32:51
Every
32:51
young
32:51
person
32:52
gets
32:53
trained
32:53
and
32:53
knows
32:54
that
32:54
their
32:54
moment
32:55
may
32:55
come
32:55
and
32:56
they
32:56
will
32:56
need
32:56
to
32:56
defend
32:57
their
32:57
country.
32:58
Yeah.
32:59
And
32:59
differently
33:00
from
33:00
some
33:01
states
33:01
in
33:02
the
33:02
U.S.
33:04
finnish
33:04
people
33:04
have
33:05
a
33:05
lot
33:05
of
33:05
guns
33:06
at
33:06
home,
33:06
but
33:06
they
33:07
don't
33:07
have
33:08
these
33:08
situations
33:09
because
33:11
this
33:11
society
33:11
is
33:11
very
33:12
mature.
33:12
And
33:12
then
33:13
by
33:13
the
33:13
way,
33:13
in
33:13
the
33:13
first
33:14
days
33:14
of
33:15
this
33:15
full
33:15
scale
33:16
invasion
33:16
in
33:17
Ukraine,
33:17
the
33:18
government
33:18
gave
33:19
away
33:19
like
33:20
tens
33:20
of
33:20
thousands
33:21
of
33:21
AK47s.
33:23
Yeah,
33:23
74s.
33:24
Yeah,
33:25
yeah.
33:25
And
33:26
that
33:26
you
33:26
just
33:26
come
33:27
up
33:27
with
33:27
your
33:27
passport,
33:29
however
33:29
it
33:29
looks,
33:30
they
33:30
write
33:30
it
33:31
in
33:31
the
33:31
paper
33:32
notebook
33:32
and
33:33
then
33:33
give
33:33
you
33:33
this
33:33
AKA
33:34
and
33:34
you
33:34
go
33:35
and
33:35
find
33:35
your
33:35
place
33:36
in
33:36
the
33:36
territorial
33:37
defense
33:37
unit.
33:38
Can
33:38
you
33:39
imagine,
33:39
there
33:39
were
33:40
no
33:41
conflicts
33:41
at
33:42
parking
33:42
lots
33:42
or
33:43
whatever
33:43
for
33:44
using
33:45
those
33:45
guns.
33:45
So
33:46
this
33:46
is
33:46
also
33:46
something.
33:46
Yeah,
33:47
the
33:47
situation
33:47
is
33:48
very
33:48
calm
33:48
in
33:48
Ukraine.
33:49
This
33:49
is
33:49
something
33:49
very
33:50
important
33:50
to
33:50
notice.
33:51
Like
33:51
in
33:52
terms
33:52
of
33:52
the
33:52
general
33:53
situation
33:54
from
33:54
the
33:54
safety
33:55
perspective,
33:56
we
33:56
feel
33:56
super
33:57
safe.
33:57
I
33:58
can
33:58
walk
33:58
at
33:59
11:30pm
34:00
because
34:00
12
34:01
midnight
34:01
we
34:01
have
34:02
curfew
34:02
time
34:02
till
34:03
till
34:03
5,
34:03
so
34:04
we
34:05
stay
34:05
home
34:05
at
34:05
that
34:06
time.
34:06
But
34:06
at
34:07
11:30
34:08
I
34:08
can
34:08
walk
34:08
from
34:09
the
34:09
metro
34:09
station.
34:10
It
34:10
is
34:10
about
34:11
one
34:11
and
34:11
a
34:11
half
34:11
kilometers
34:12
and
34:13
it's
34:13
not
34:13
in
34:14
the
34:14
center
34:14
of
34:14
Kyiv.
34:15
And
34:16
I
34:16
wouldn't
34:17
even
34:17
think
34:18
of
34:18
any
34:19
threat
34:19
around
34:20
me
34:21
as
34:21
a
34:21
woman.
34:23
So
34:23
safety
34:24
wise
34:25
in
34:25
Kiev,
34:27
I
34:27
feel
34:27
very
34:28
safe.
34:29
And
34:29
with
34:29
children
34:30
the
34:30
same.
34:30
Like
34:31
we
34:31
have
34:31
not
34:32
so
34:32
many
34:32
bad
34:33
thoughts
34:33
about
34:33
letting
34:34
children
34:34
go
34:35
for
34:35
a
34:35
walk
34:35
till
34:36
10pm
34:37
for
34:37
example.
34:39
So
34:39
the
34:40
society
34:40
is
34:41
reacting
34:41
in
34:41
a
34:42
quite
34:42
interesting
34:43
way.
34:43
There
34:43
are
34:43
guns,
34:44
there
34:45
are
34:45
veterans
34:46
in
34:46
this
34:46
society.
34:47
We
34:47
need
34:47
to
34:47
integrate
34:48
them.
34:48
There
34:48
are
34:49
a
34:49
lot
34:49
of
34:49
them.
34:50
But
34:50
the
34:51
level
34:51
of
34:51
crime
34:52
is
34:52
very
34:53
low.
34:54
Well,
34:54
that's
34:55
the
34:55
idea
34:55
behind
34:55
the
34:56
second
34:56
amendment
34:56
in
34:56
the
34:57
United
34:57
States
34:57
Constitution,
34:58
that
34:58
armed
34:59
people
35:00
will
35:01
guard
35:01
the
35:01
freedom
35:02
of
35:02
the
35:02
state.
35:02
That's
35:03
why
35:03
Americans
35:04
constitutionally
35:05
have
35:05
the
35:05
right
35:05
to
35:05
bear
35:06
arms.
35:07
And
35:07
you
35:07
know,
35:08
you
35:08
guys
35:08
are
35:08
living
35:08
it.
35:09
And
35:09
not
35:10
to
35:10
make
35:10
it
35:11
sound
35:11
that
35:11
positive,
35:12
the
35:12
war
35:12
is
35:13
still
35:13
going
35:13
on
35:13
and
35:14
it's
35:14
exhaustive.
35:15
And
35:15
you
35:16
know,
35:16
Russia,
35:16
in
35:17
a
35:17
sense
35:17
has
35:17
already
35:18
lost,
35:18
but
35:19
Ukraine
35:19
did
35:20
not
35:20
win
35:20
yet.
35:21
So
35:21
that's,
35:21
these
35:22
are
35:22
two
35:22
different
35:22
things.
35:23
And
35:23
we
35:23
still
35:23
need
35:24
to
35:24
do
35:24
a
35:24
lot
35:24
of
35:25
fighting.
35:25
So
35:26
there's
35:26
a
35:26
stalemate
35:27
in
35:27
the,
35:28
on
35:28
the
35:28
front
35:28
line.
35:29
They
35:29
are
35:29
not,
35:30
almost
35:30
not
35:31
moving.
35:31
And
35:32
the
35:32
losses
35:33
of
35:34
Russians
35:34
are
35:35
unimaginable.
35:36
They're
35:36
talking
35:37
about
35:37
like
35:38
up
35:38
to
35:38
50,000
35:39
people
35:39
per
35:40
month,
35:40
not
35:40
only
35:40
killed,
35:41
but
35:41
also
35:41
wounded.
35:42
So,
35:42
so,
35:43
but
35:43
you,
35:43
I
35:44
couldn't
35:44
imagine,
35:45
you
35:45
know,
35:45
all
35:45
the
35:45
war
35:46
in
35:46
Afghanistan
35:47
in
35:47
the
35:48
80s,
35:49
basically
35:49
from
35:50
late
35:50
70s
35:50
to
35:51
late
35:51
80s,
35:51
they
35:52
lost.
35:52
The
35:53
Soviet
35:53
Union
35:53
lost
35:54
below
35:55
20,000
35:56
and
35:56
now
35:56
in
35:57
one
35:57
month
35:58
they're
35:58
losing
35:59
like
35:59
twice
36:00
that
36:00
much.
36:00
And
36:01
yeah,
36:01
and
36:02
our
36:02
experience
36:02
in
36:02
Vietnam
36:03
over
36:03
the
36:03
whole,
36:04
what
36:04
was
36:04
it,
36:04
eight
36:04
years
36:05
or
36:05
how
36:05
long
36:05
there
36:06
we
36:06
lost
36:06
58,000
36:07
killed.
36:08
Can
36:08
you
36:08
imagine?
36:09
And
36:09
now
36:10
Russian
36:10
casualties
36:11
are
36:12
almost
36:12
reaching,
36:12
and
36:13
that's
36:13
not
36:13
a
36:13
good
36:14
enough
36:14
reason
36:14
for,
36:15
for
36:15
Putin
36:16
to
36:16
end
36:16
this
36:16
war
36:17
because
36:17
he,
36:17
he
36:18
became
36:18
a
36:18
hostage
36:19
of
36:19
his
36:19
own
36:20
war.
36:20
Basically.
36:21
The
36:21
situation
36:22
is
36:22
unfortunately
36:23
really
36:23
difficult.
36:24
We
36:25
still
36:25
need
36:25
a
36:25
lot
36:25
of
36:26
support.
36:26
And
36:27
thankfully,
36:28
things
36:29
are
36:29
changing,
36:30
especially
36:30
in
36:31
Europe.
36:31
They're
36:31
changing
36:32
dramatically.
36:33
And
36:33
you
36:33
can
36:33
imagine
36:34
who's
36:35
to.
36:36
I
36:36
wanted
36:36
to
36:37
say
36:37
who's
36:37
to
36:37
blame,
36:37
but
36:38
who's
36:38
to
36:38
thank
36:38
for,
36:39
for
36:39
the
36:40
mindset
36:41
change
36:41
in
36:41
Europe?
36:42
Very
36:42
much
36:43
so,
36:43
yeah.
36:44
One
36:44
of
36:44
the
36:44
things
36:45
I
36:45
wanted
36:45
to
36:45
do
36:46
as
36:46
we
36:46
begin
36:47
to
36:47
wrap
36:47
this
36:47
up
36:47
was
36:48
to
36:48
play
36:48
a
36:49
song
36:49
that
36:49
I
36:50
wrote
36:50
at
36:51
the
36:51
beginning
36:51
of
36:52
the
36:52
full
36:52
scale
36:52
invasion.
36:54
And
36:54
I
36:54
think
36:55
it's
36:55
a
36:55
pretty
36:55
good
36:55
song.
36:56
But
36:56
equally
36:56
as
36:57
good
36:57
was
36:57
the
36:58
video
36:59
that
36:59
accompanies
37:00
it.
37:00
And
37:00
that
37:01
was
37:01
done
37:01
by
37:01
your
37:02
daughter
37:02
Anna,
37:03
and
37:04
she
37:04
was
37:04
14
37:04
at
37:05
the
37:05
time.
37:06
And
37:06
this,
37:07
she
37:07
should
37:07
have
37:07
won
37:08
a,
37:08
I
37:08
don't
37:08
know,
37:08
a
37:08
Pulitzer
37:09
Prize
37:09
or
37:09
something
37:09
for
37:10
this
37:10
video
37:10
piece.
37:11
I
37:11
still
37:11
can't
37:12
watch
37:12
and
37:12
listen
37:13
to
37:13
this
37:13
song
37:13
without
37:13
feeling
37:14
deeply
37:14
moved.
37:15
They
37:15
say
37:15
it's
37:15
hard
37:16
to
37:16
write
37:16
a
37:16
good
37:16
song.
37:17
Well,
37:17
this
37:18
was
37:18
so
37:18
easy
37:19
to
37:19
write.
37:19
It's
37:20
like
37:20
it
37:20
wanted
37:20
to
37:21
write
37:21
itself.
37:22
I
37:22
just
37:22
had
37:22
to
37:23
take
37:23
the
37:23
notes
37:23
and
37:24
play
37:24
the
37:25
chords
37:25
and
37:25
it
37:25
was
37:25
very,
37:26
very
37:26
quick
37:27
process.
37:28
So
37:29
that's
37:29
the
37:29
way
37:30
creativity
37:30
works
37:30
sometimes.
37:31
Other
37:31
times
37:32
it
37:32
takes
37:32
a
37:32
lot
37:32
of
37:32
work.
37:33
But
37:33
this
37:33
was
37:33
just
37:33
like,
37:34
it
37:34
just
37:34
came
37:35
out.
37:35
So,
37:35
Vanessa,
37:36
if
37:36
you
37:36
could
37:36
put
37:36
this
37:37
on
37:37
and
37:37
then
37:37
bring
37:38
us
37:38
back
37:38
when
37:38
it's
37:39
done.
37:51
Ukraine,
37:54
Ukraine,
37:57
Ukraine
38:00
Come
38:00
on
38:00
and
38:01
shout
38:01
it
38:03
Ukraine.
38:09
Didn't
38:10
you
38:10
get
38:10
the
38:11
memo?
38:13
Didn't
38:13
you
38:13
get
38:13
the
38:14
news?
38:15
Putin
38:16
says
38:16
he's
38:17
doing
38:17
it
38:17
for
38:17
Jesus
38:18
he
38:18
says
38:19
you're
38:19
bound
38:19
to
38:20
lose
38:21
Ukraine,
38:24
Ukraine,
38:27
Ukraine
38:29
Come
38:29
on
38:29
and
38:30
shout
38:31
it
38:32
Ukraine.
38:38
They
38:38
killed
38:39
your
38:39
men,
38:40
women
38:40
and
38:40
children
38:41
Buried
38:42
them
38:42
in
38:43
shallow
38:43
Ditches
38:44
be
38:44
reasonable
38:45
they
38:46
say
38:46
you
38:47
should
38:47
talk
38:47
with
38:47
these
38:48
sons
38:48
of
38:50
your
38:50
credit
38:50
Ukraine,
38:52
Ukraine,
38:55
Ukraine.
38:58
Come
38:58
on
38:58
and
38:59
shout
38:59
it
39:01
Ukraine.
39:07
They
39:07
destroyed
39:08
your
39:08
towns
39:08
and
39:09
cities
39:10
Your
39:10
people
39:11
were
39:11
raped
39:11
and
39:12
killed
39:13
welcome
39:14
back
39:14
to
39:14
Mother
39:15
Russia
39:16
they
39:16
thought
39:16
you
39:17
would
39:17
be
39:17
through.
39:18
Ukraine,
39:21
Ukraine,
39:24
Ukraine.
39:26
Come
39:27
on
39:27
and
39:27
shout
39:28
it
39:30
Ukraine.
39:36
Why
39:36
are
39:36
you
39:37
fighting
39:37
like
39:37
lions
39:39
with
39:39
the
39:40
strength
39:40
of
39:40
10?
39:42
Why
39:42
don't
39:42
you
39:42
bend
39:43
your
39:43
knees
39:43
and
39:43
surrender?
39:44
Act
39:44
like
39:45
ordinary
39:46
men?
39:47
Ukraine,
39:50
Ukraine,
39:53
Ukraine.
39:55
Come
39:56
on
39:56
and
39:56
shout
39:57
it
39:59
Ukraine.
40:05
Democracy
40:05
really
40:08
why
40:08
don't
40:08
you
40:09
give
40:09
it
40:09
a
40:09
rest?
40:11
Dump
40:11
this
40:11
so
40:12
called
40:12
servant
40:13
of
40:13
the
40:13
people
40:13
in
40:14
rain
40:14
Surely
40:15
no
40:15
watch
40:15
back
40:16
for
40:16
Ukraine
40:19
Ukraine,
40:22
Ukraine
40:24
Come
40:24
on
40:25
and
40:25
shout
40:26
it.
40:27
Ukraine.
40:34
Under
40:34
the
40:34
colors
40:35
of
40:35
blue
40:35
and
40:36
gold
40:37
rose
40:37
A
40:37
story
40:38
that
40:38
won't
40:38
get
40:39
old
40:40
why
40:40
didn't
40:40
you
40:41
just
40:41
run
40:41
away?
40:42
Why
40:42
did
40:43
you
40:43
choose
40:43
to
40:43
fight
40:44
straight
40:47
for
40:47
Ukraine?
40:50
Ukraine,
40:51
yeah.
40:53
Ukraine
40:55
Come
40:56
on
40:56
and
40:56
shout
40:57
it.
41:42
Okay,
41:43
guys.
41:44
Thank
41:44
you,
41:44
John.
41:45
Beautiful
41:46
again
41:46
and
41:46
again.
41:47
It's
41:47
so
41:47
lovely
41:48
and
41:49
heartwarming
41:50
to
41:50
watch
41:50
this.
41:51
Thank
41:51
you
41:51
for
41:51
this.
41:52
Yeah,
41:52
it's
41:52
on
41:52
YouTube,
41:53
everybody.
41:54
Free
41:54
Ukraine.
41:55
With
41:55
an
41:55
exclamation
41:56
mark.
41:56
John
41:56
Dupuy.
41:57
Boom.
41:57
The
41:57
whole
41:57
video
41:58
and
41:58
the
41:58
whole
41:58
thing
41:58
is
41:58
there.
41:59
And
42:00
your
42:00
daughter.
42:01
This
42:02
was
42:02
brilliant.
42:03
I
42:03
mean
42:03
it
42:03
just
42:03
worked
42:03
together
42:04
so
42:04
well
42:04
and
42:04
it
42:04
just
42:05
happened
42:06
very
42:06
fast.
42:06
So
42:06
it's
42:06
kind
42:06
of
42:07
an
42:07
amazing
42:07
thing.
42:08
As
42:09
we're
42:09
getting
42:09
to
42:09
the
42:09
point
42:09
to
42:10
wrap
42:10
this
42:10
up.
42:10
I
42:10
always
42:11
feel
42:11
so
42:11
honored
42:12
to
42:12
talk
42:12
to
42:12
you
42:12
guys
42:13
and
42:13
when
42:13
I
42:14
talk
42:14
to
42:14
you,
42:14
even
42:15
think
42:15
about
42:15
you,
42:15
it
42:15
makes
42:16
me
42:16
want
42:16
to
42:16
be
42:16
a
42:16
better
42:16
person.
42:17
Okay.
42:18
And
42:18
do
42:19
more.
42:19
What
42:20
can,
42:21
what
42:21
can
42:21
Americans
42:22
do
42:22
that
42:23
feel
42:23
pretty
42:24
powerless?
42:25
How
42:26
can
42:26
we
42:26
help?
42:27
So
42:28
one
42:28
thing
42:29
I'm
42:29
constantly
42:30
repeating
42:31
is,
42:32
and
42:33
I
42:33
know
42:33
it
42:33
might
42:33
sound
42:34
really
42:34
weird,
42:35
but
42:35
I
42:36
actually
42:36
invite
42:37
you
42:37
to
42:37
come
42:37
over
42:39
and
42:39
there
42:39
will
42:39
be
42:39
a
42:40
link
42:40
to
42:41
presentation,
42:42
a
42:43
speech
42:43
of
42:43
one
42:43
of
42:43
the
42:44
those
42:44
Americans
42:45
who
42:45
came
42:46
over
42:46
in
42:46
June.
42:47
He's
42:47
a
42:47
friend,
42:47
he's
42:47
an
42:48
integralist.
42:49
Last
42:49
June.
42:49
Yeah,
42:50
June
42:51
2025.
42:52
Whose
42:53
name
42:53
is
42:53
Daniel
42:54
Kirkpatrick
42:55
and
42:56
he
42:56
made
42:56
a
42:57
very
42:57
nice
42:58
presentation
42:58
about
42:59
his
42:59
stay.
42:59
He
42:59
also
43:00
wrote
43:00
a
43:00
lot
43:01
to
43:01
his
43:01
blog
43:02
and
43:02
he
43:02
went
43:02
through
43:03
the
43:03
quite
43:04
some
43:04
air
43:04
raid
43:05
attacks
43:05
and
43:06
he
43:06
was
43:06
with
43:06
us
43:07
for
43:08
about
43:08
a
43:08
week.
43:09
And
43:10
something
43:10
I
43:10
would
43:10
like
43:10
to
43:11
convey
43:11
is
43:12
if
43:12
a
43:12
group
43:12
of
43:13
Americans
43:14
would
43:15
wish
43:16
to
43:16
learn
43:17
to
43:17
have
43:18
this
43:18
embodied
43:18
experience,
43:19
to
43:19
have
43:20
this
43:21
experience
43:21
of
43:21
co
43:21
creation
43:22
and
43:23
co
43:23
living,
43:24
co
43:24
experiencing
43:25
and
43:25
learning
43:26
for
43:26
the
43:26
future.
43:27
Because
43:28
we
43:28
believe,
43:29
as
43:29
I
43:30
already
43:30
mentioned,
43:31
Ukraine
43:31
is
43:33
literally
43:33
a
43:34
living
43:34
laboratory
43:35
of
43:35
modern
43:36
crisis,
43:37
we
43:37
would
43:38
be
43:38
happy
43:38
to
43:38
organize
43:39
that
43:39
and
43:40
to
43:40
connect
43:40
it
43:40
with
43:41
vertical
43:41
development.
43:42
And
43:42
based
43:43
on
43:43
all
43:43
the
43:43
knowledge
43:44
we
43:44
have
43:45
about
43:45
Aqual
43:46
Keegan's
43:47
perspective,
43:48
Susanne
43:49
Ku
43:49
Gruiter's
43:49
Perspective.
43:51
So
43:51
this
43:51
is
43:51
our
43:52
work
43:52
and
43:52
we're
43:53
trying
43:53
to
43:53
look
43:53
at
43:53
whatever
43:54
is
43:54
happening
43:54
in
43:54
Ukraine
43:55
and
43:55
experiences
43:56
that
43:56
we're
43:56
getting
43:57
through
43:57
this
43:57
lens.
43:58
And
43:59
we
43:59
believe
43:59
Ukrainian
44:00
society
44:00
has
44:01
become
44:01
much
44:01
more
44:02
mature.
44:03
And
44:03
we
44:03
also
44:04
have
44:04
some
44:04
proof.
44:05
We've
44:05
used
44:05
some
44:06
of
44:06
the
44:06
scientific
44:07
tools
44:07
to
44:08
measure
44:09
some
44:09
of
44:09
the
44:09
teenagers,
44:10
for
44:10
example,
44:11
and
44:12
one
44:12
of
44:12
them
44:13
was
44:13
our
44:13
daughter.
44:13
They
44:14
were
44:14
more
44:15
out
44:15
of
44:15
just
44:16
pure
44:16
interest.
44:17
And
44:17
what
44:17
we
44:18
see
44:18
is
44:18
some
44:19
of
44:19
the
44:19
17,
44:19
18
44:20
years
44:20
olds,
44:21
they
44:22
look
44:22
at
44:22
the
44:22
world
44:22
from
44:23
postmodern
44:23
perspective
44:24
as
44:24
an
44:24
individualist,
44:25
from
44:26
let's
44:26
say
44:27
Torber's
44:27
Kugreuter's
44:28
terminology,
44:30
which
44:30
is,
44:31
please
44:31
remind
44:31
me,
44:31
is
44:32
a
44:32
self
44:32
transforming.
44:34
How
44:34
is
44:34
it
44:34
called?
44:34
Self
44:35
questioning?
44:35
Self
44:35
questioning,
44:36
exactly.
44:36
Self
44:37
transforming
44:37
is
44:37
later.
44:38
So
44:39
usually
44:40
it's
44:41
the
44:41
age
44:42
we
44:42
see,
44:43
or
44:43
we
44:43
saw
44:43
before,
44:44
of
44:44
people
44:45
being
44:45
assessed
44:47
by
44:47
those
44:48
validated
44:49
tools
44:49
and
44:49
some
44:50
other
44:50
frameworks.
44:51
It's
44:51
about
44:52
35
44:52
years
44:53
or
44:53
so,
44:53
biological
44:54
age
44:54
that
44:54
we
44:54
see
44:55
representatives
44:56
of
44:56
the
44:56
corporate
44:56
world
44:57
coming
44:58
to
44:58
this
44:58
stage
44:59
in
44:59
life
45:00
after
45:00
all
45:00
the
45:01
experiences
45:01
that
45:02
usually
45:03
an
45:03
adult
45:03
has,
45:04
has
45:04
got.
45:05
And
45:06
of
45:06
course
45:06
age
45:07
is.
45:07
Age
45:08
doesn't
45:08
guarantee
45:09
maturity.
45:09
In
45:10
our
45:10
case,
45:11
we
45:11
see
45:11
proof
45:12
that
45:13
people
45:13
are
45:13
growing
45:14
up.
45:15
And
45:16
we
45:16
also
45:16
receive
45:17
a
45:17
lot
45:17
of
45:17
feedback
45:18
from
45:18
foreigners,
45:19
like
45:20
with
45:20
the
45:20
Emerge
45:21
Pilgrimage
45:21
that
45:22
we
45:22
organized
45:23
in
45:23
2024,
45:26
that
45:26
people,
45:27
they
45:27
still
45:27
report,
45:28
they
45:28
write
45:28
to
45:28
us.
45:29
There
45:29
is
45:29
a
45:29
group
45:30
on
45:30
WhatsApp
45:31
where
45:31
people
45:31
exchange
45:32
and
45:32
they
45:32
say
45:33
how
45:33
much
45:33
UK
45:34
has
45:34
transformed
45:35
them
45:35
and
45:36
how
45:36
much
45:36
they
45:37
became
45:37
rooted
45:38
in
45:38
the
45:39
core
45:39
values
45:40
that
45:41
they
45:42
stand
45:43
for
45:43
and
45:44
how
45:44
they
45:44
became
45:44
the
45:44
ambassadors
45:45
of
45:45
not
45:46
just
45:46
Ukrainian
45:46
cause,
45:47
but
45:47
general
45:47
cause
45:48
of
45:48
fight
45:49
for
45:49
freedom,
45:49
dignity
45:50
and
45:50
democracy.
45:52
So
45:52
my
45:52
invitation
45:53
would
45:53
be,
45:54
if
45:54
you
45:55
would
45:55
wish
45:55
to
45:56
connect,
45:57
we
45:57
would
45:57
be
45:57
super
45:58
happy
45:58
to
45:59
organize
45:59
a
46:00
visit
46:00
for
46:00
a
46:00
group
46:01
of
46:01
Americans
46:02
coming
46:02
to
46:03
Ukraine.
46:04
Of
46:04
course,
46:05
if
46:05
you're
46:06
still
46:06
not
46:06
ready
46:06
and
46:07
you
46:07
would
46:07
like
46:07
to
46:08
contribute,
46:09
we
46:10
were
46:10
and
46:10
we
46:11
would
46:11
like
46:11
to
46:11
be
46:12
the
46:12
bridges
46:13
to
46:13
contribute
46:14
to
46:14
the
46:14
causes
46:14
that
46:15
you
46:15
would
46:15
like
46:15
to
46:15
support.
46:16
And
46:16
that
46:16
could
46:17
be
46:17
evacuation
46:17
of
46:18
the
46:18
wounded
46:18
soldiers
46:19
from
46:19
the
46:19
front
46:19
line.
46:20
That
46:20
could
46:21
be
46:21
support
46:22
of
46:22
the
46:22
Ukrainian
46:23
snipers.
46:23
If
46:23
you
46:24
are
46:24
more
46:24
prone
46:25
to
46:25
supporting
46:26
military.
46:27
It
46:27
could
46:27
be
46:27
Kralcher
46:28
Ukrainian
46:29
theater
46:29
and
46:30
saving
46:30
those
46:31
stories
46:32
that
46:32
are
46:33
dying
46:33
because
46:34
the
46:34
museums
46:35
are
46:35
hit
46:35
and
46:36
attacked.
46:37
And
46:37
what
46:38
we
46:38
are
46:38
trying
46:38
to
46:39
do
46:39
is
46:39
to
46:39
support
46:40
the
46:40
local
46:41
theatrical
46:42
groups
46:43
and
46:44
directors
46:44
who
46:45
take
46:45
those
46:46
stories
46:47
of
46:47
those
46:47
people
46:48
whose
46:48
museums
46:49
are
46:49
not
46:49
there
46:50
anymore,
46:50
like
46:51
the
46:51
walls
46:51
are
46:51
not
46:51
there.
46:52
But
46:52
their
46:53
story,
46:54
the
46:54
story
46:54
of
46:54
their
46:55
cultural
46:55
impact,
46:56
of
46:56
their
46:56
resilience,
46:57
of
46:58
their
46:58
contribution
46:59
to
46:59
the
46:59
Ukrainian
47:00
world
47:00
culture
47:00
has
47:01
to
47:01
be
47:01
maintained.
47:03
And
47:03
of
47:03
course,
47:04
in
47:04
the
47:04
circumstances
47:05
where
47:05
we
47:05
are,
47:06
we
47:06
need
47:06
resources
47:07
for
47:07
all
47:08
of
47:08
them.
47:08
So
47:09
please
47:10
be
47:11
ready,
47:11
open.
47:12
I
47:12
Don't
47:12
know.
47:13
Know
47:13
that
47:13
we
47:13
are
47:14
very
47:15
appreciative
47:16
of
47:16
any
47:16
contribution
47:17
and
47:18
with
47:18
total
47:18
transparency
47:19
and
47:20
appreciation
47:21
for
47:22
any
47:23
resource
47:23
that
47:24
can
47:24
come
47:24
from
47:24
abroad
47:25
to.
47:25
To
47:25
support
47:26
the
47:26
Ukrainian
47:26
cause.
47:27
Thank
47:27
you.
47:28
And
47:28
one
47:29
little
47:29
last
47:29
question
47:29
that
47:30
comes
47:30
to
47:30
mind.
47:30
What
47:31
is
47:31
something
47:32
that
47:32
happened
47:33
in
47:33
the
47:33
last
47:33
month
47:35
that
47:35
you
47:35
saw
47:37
that
47:37
sticks
47:37
with
47:37
you?
47:38
Anything?
47:40
There
47:40
was
47:40
actually
47:41
one
47:41
symbolic
47:42
date
47:43
sometime
47:43
in
47:44
January
47:45
here
47:46
when
47:46
this
47:47
war
47:48
turned,
47:48
like
47:49
14,
47:50
18
47:51
days.
47:53
Why
47:54
this
47:54
is
47:54
important
47:55
because
47:56
the
47:56
part
47:56
of
47:57
the
47:57
World
47:57
War
47:57
II
47:58
which
47:58
was
47:59
so
47:59
glorified
48:00
in
48:00
Russia
48:01
and
48:01
is
48:01
still
48:01
very
48:02
super
48:02
kind
48:03
of
48:03
exploited
48:04
for
48:04
propaganda
48:05
reasons,
48:06
that
48:06
was
48:06
how
48:07
long.
48:07
The
48:08
part
48:08
of
48:08
the
48:08
World
48:09
War
48:09
II
48:09
which
48:10
was
48:10
between
48:11
Russia
48:11
and
48:11
Germany,
48:12
so
48:12
they
48:12
call
48:13
it
48:13
the
48:13
Great
48:13
Patriotic
48:14
War.
48:15
This
48:15
is
48:15
not
48:15
all
48:16
World
48:16
War
48:16
II,
48:16
because
48:17
as
48:17
we
48:17
know,
48:17
Russia
48:18
or
48:18
Soviet
48:18
Union
48:19
was.
48:20
Has
48:20
started
48:21
it
48:21
together
48:21
with
48:21
Hitler.
48:22
But
48:23
the
48:23
part
48:23
that
48:23
they
48:24
were
48:24
kind
48:25
of
48:25
glorifying
48:26
so
48:26
much
48:27
took
48:27
exactly
48:28
1,418
48:29
days,
48:30
which
48:31
is
48:31
already
48:31
longer.
48:33
This
48:33
war
48:34
is
48:34
already
48:34
longer.
48:35
And
48:35
then
48:35
you
48:36
can
48:36
imagine
48:36
how
48:37
much
48:37
the
48:38
Soviet
48:38
army
48:38
moved
48:39
to
48:40
the
48:40
west
48:40
back
48:40
then.
48:41
And
48:41
now
48:42
they
48:42
are
48:42
fighting
48:42
for
48:43
small,
48:43
small,
48:44
meaningless
48:45
villages
48:45
and
48:46
putting
48:46
tens
48:47
of
48:47
thousands
48:47
people
48:48
there
48:49
and
48:49
are
48:49
completely
48:50
stuck.
48:50
So
48:50
this
48:51
is
48:51
about
48:52
their
48:52
complete
48:53
moral,
48:54
economic,
48:55
technical,
48:56
technological,
48:58
scientific,
48:58
whatever,
48:59
bankruptcy.
49:01
And
49:01
we
49:01
are
49:01
still
49:02
on
49:03
the
49:04
right
49:04
side
49:04
of
49:04
history,
49:05
and
49:05
that
49:05
brings
49:07
a
49:07
lot
49:07
of
49:07
energy
49:08
to
49:08
us.
49:08
Well,
49:09
thank
49:09
you.
49:09
And
49:10
sometimes
49:10
in
49:10
the
49:10
United
49:10
States,
49:11
we're
49:11
so
49:11
caught
49:11
up
49:12
in
49:12
our
49:12
own
49:12
drama
49:13
and
49:13
the
49:13
resistance
49:14
movement
49:15
that's
49:15
coming
49:15
out
49:16
in
49:16
Minneapolis
49:17
and
49:17
other
49:17
parts
49:18
through
49:19
this
49:19
rather
49:19
fascist
49:20
takeover,
49:20
our
49:21
country
49:22
that
49:22
we
49:22
forget
49:22
about
49:23
Ukraine
49:24
and
49:24
guys
49:24
are
49:24
still
49:25
there
49:25
and
49:25
just
49:25
every
49:26
day
49:26
resisting,
49:27
resisting,
49:27
resisting.
49:28
And
49:28
all
49:28
you
49:29
have
49:29
to
49:29
do
49:29
would
49:29
be
49:30
to
49:30
collapse
49:31
once
49:32
and
49:32
the
49:33
Russians
49:33
would
49:33
be
49:33
in
49:33
Kiev.
49:34
If
49:34
they
49:34
had
49:35
any
49:35
vehicles
49:35
that
49:35
still
49:36
work,
49:36
you
49:36
know,
49:36
they
49:37
will
49:37
be
49:37
not
49:37
only
49:37
in
49:37
Kyiv,
49:38
but
49:38
in
49:38
Warsaw,
49:39
in
49:39
Vilnius,
49:40
Riga,
49:41
Thailand
49:41
and
49:41
many
49:42
other
49:42
places.
49:42
So
49:43
this
49:43
is
49:43
not
49:43
only
49:43
about
49:44
Ukraine
49:45
and
49:45
thank
49:45
you.
49:46
Thank
49:46
you,
49:46
John,
49:47
for
49:47
creating
49:48
this
49:48
space
49:49
for
49:49
us
49:49
to
49:49
share.
49:50
Well,
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