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MLB Talk, Cubs Playoff rotation & AL MVP debate, David Eickholt talks Hawkeyes & The Voice of the Chiefs Mitch Holthus · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  All right, Good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon On a
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  Wednesday, the Iowa Sports Radio Network Iowa based programming
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  Now from right now until 6 O clock because we have a big
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  block coming up your way. Well Trent Connor, myself, Ken
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  Miller, we will start things off and take you until 2O clock then
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  off the bench with Sean Roberts, Lucas Strain overtime Iowa from
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  5:00 until 6. We've got a busy program lined
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  up on this Wednesday. We will start with David Icolt.
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  He will recap what he heard from Kirk Ference yesterday.
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  Some positive news, I think, when it comes to the Hawks,
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  pursuant to some of the skill positions, getting a major,
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  major piece back potentially. We'll talk to David Eicholt
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  about that coming up here in 25 minutes.
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  And then Mitch Holtis, the voice of the windless Kansas City
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  Chiefs. Well, you love that?
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  Sure do. Music to my ears and I'm
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  guessing to a lot of people's ears as well.
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  Enjoy it. Well, we can and we promise that
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  we will as they will go to take on the Giants Sunday Night
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  Football here tonight, are coming up on Sunday rather.
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  So we'll talk to Mitch about the Chiefs and what they do to get
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  back in the wind. Call him.
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  Perhaps it's the other team on the other side of the field that
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  will help significantly. We shall see.
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  Our number 2 off to Chicago, David Kaplan in his regular
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  spot. A lot on the Bears and their
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  predicament. The Cubs, they can clinch a
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  playoff spot today. They are currently on the field
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  playing the Phillies. This game started early and a
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  lot of runs already up on the board.
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  Cubs put up a four spot in their half of the first inning.
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  The Pirates have countered with three and they are still batting
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  as Matthew Boyd. Will's coming off a little bit
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  with him lately. Your day one starter is going to
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  be Kate Horton. Yes, I agree.
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  There's no doubt about it. He is your number one did.
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  You see him last night. Yes, my God.
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  And your number two, we thought for a while was going to be Boyd
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  I. Am It's Menaga.
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  Menaga. Yep, then Tayon or then Boyd.
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  Tyone's Matthew Boyd's been such a big part of this team being
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  where they are, but it's here and now.
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  That's a good that's a good question.
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  That's one to file a way and ask a one O 2 with Kathy or when we
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  get to the Cubs 'cause we have to start with the.
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  Bears and certainly when if it's a game three season on the line
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  against the Padres, you want Tyone, you want Boyd, Cabbie
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  Tayon right now. I think so.
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  We're still a few weeks away. I think so.
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  Ian Hap is homered. Moisis Byasteros has homered as
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  well, apparently. And by the way, we will talk to
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  Matt Postons at 1:30 following Cappy.
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  He covers the Big 12 and Oh my, do they have a big one at 11:00
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  our time, 10:00 mountain time. Utah and Texas Tech in a big
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  clash in the Big 12. So that's what we are going to
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  do. Apparently there's some
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  troubling news when it comes to Kyle Tucker, who's now flown to
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  Florida. Getting some more doctors
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  opinions there. Usually when you go for a second
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  opinion, the first one wasn't what you wanted to hear as I
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  found that as a Blue Jays fan with Boba Shett in the last 48
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  hours, and that doesn't appear to be good.
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  And now the news is not good for the Cubs right fielder.
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  At least that's what I guess what Cubs fans are bracing
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  themselves for as he flies to Florida for another opinion on
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  that calf that has been ailing him.
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  So we shall see. But the Cubs try to get things
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  done today punched their ticket to the playoffs.
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  They're home free and the wild card way up on top.
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  They will be the four seed in the playoffs once they get
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  underway. What a week from Monday or
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  Tuesday do you know? Don't know.
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  Do they start? The season ends on Sunday.
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  Right. I think it's Tuesday.
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  I. Think it's Tuesday as well.
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  And then they don't travel, so it's Bing bang boom either.
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  You play, you know if you win them both, it's over.
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  The longest thing goes best of three.
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  Tuesday, September 30th is when things will begin.
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  And the if it goes to the Game 7, does it reach into November
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  this year? Game seven of the World Series,
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  as I Scroll down to the bottom, is scheduled for Saturday,
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  November 1st. Saturday.
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  Come on man, college football going on you.
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  Just wait till Tuesday for a Game 7.
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  That would exactly right. Is it going to kill you?
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  What's 2 days going to make a difference?
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  Oh my God, where's it going to be held?
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  It will be held in Dodger Stadium.
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  You really still, but you're dying on that.
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  Did you see the Dodgers last night at all?
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  I did. I watched a ton of it.
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  I I watched, you know, innings 1234 and 5.
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  Oh, and then it changed. Apparently because I got up this
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  morning and I, I was blown away. Yes.
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  I mean, no, Tony had a no, no going through five.
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  I knew they weren't going to let him stay.
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  In no, Absolutely, nor should they.
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  I agree, but is that by the way, is that the furthest he's gone?
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  I meant to look that up this morning because he hasn't had a
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  lot I don't think. And if he has, they've been
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  recent 5 inning stints, he's usually been in and out, but
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  last night he was going, I mean he was going big time last
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  night. So he no hit the Phillies, a
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  pretty good ball club in their own right. 68 pitches for Otani.
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  That's what he had. And prior to that, do you know
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  what he is he top 70? Well, when I clicked on the game
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  log here on my little app, yeah, it gave me a hitting game log.
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  So jeez, he's different. He's the one he.
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  Absolutely is. All right, let's see if we can
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  find the game log for Otani pitching this year.
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  That's what we're we're looking for as we scroll through.
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  There's his batting, there's his pitching, career stats.
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  Where do you got your game log at?
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  Because what is a likely scenario?
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  I mean, we talked. Dave Roberts said he's a
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  starter. 80. Pitches for him.
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  Yeah, when we get to the playoffs.
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  What did you say 68 yesterday 60?
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  8 was the high I believe, Yes. Yeah, I think so.
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  I mean, it's been obviously depending on how he's doing, but
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  but yesterday could have done any better.
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  My God, top at 100 miles an hour movement on that bench.
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  Now there were a couple hard hit balls.
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  I got it here. Here is his game.
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  Run this down for me. All right, so innings pitched,
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  he went 5, two starts to go against Cincinnati.
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  That was August 27th that he went five in that one, threw 87
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  pitches in that game. So that is, yes, the high
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  watermark that he threw in that start two starts ago.
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  So yeah, we might be pushing towards.
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  So 85, so he's two starts back was in August.
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  August 27th. And yesterday was September the
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  16th, so it's not like he's an every five days pitcher.
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  Yeah, this is the first start he has made since September 5th on
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  the bump where he threw 70 pitches against the Ori.
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  Erring in the side of caution or on the side of caution, which
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  you certainly understand. Well, and now looking at his
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  last three starts we're talking about, you know, he just hasn't
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  looked well, he looked great last night.
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  He was so good in that start against the Orioles, his last
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  start, he didn't give up an earner on three hits and three
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  and 2/3. The one before that against the
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  Reds, when he threw his most pitches, he gave up one earned
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  run in that game and five innings pitched.
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  Maybe Ohtani is rounding into form.
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  Yeah, we'll see at the right time.
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  Boy, look, and I hope you're right.
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  I selfishly, I hope, well, selfishly, but the Blue Jays
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  win. But if they don't my for my for
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  my sports betting app, if it is the Dodgers, that would be music
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  to to my ears. Yeah, I was.
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  I was blown away because the Phillies are a good team.
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  Phillies are a good team and they're going to start Lefty
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  lefty left when it comes when they begin the playoffs.
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  So we'll see where that one goes.
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  We'll keep you apprised on that as they end the first inning
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  with the Cubs up 4. Three, I got sucked in last
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  night. The twins come back.
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  Now I saw they were chipping away.
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  How close did they get? They were within three.
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  There was a home run to cut it to 9/6.
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  Maybe Larnick hit a blast to cut it in the 9th to 10/9.
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  Really. It was 10/9, had a couple of
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  guys up there. I think Clemens was maybe one of
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  them. Cody Clemens, Yeah.
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  He'd been pretty good. Reclamation Project.
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  Absolutely. For a guy that looked like an
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  absolute last 'cause he's only there because of his last name,
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  he's turned into A league average player, which is a step
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  forward from anything I think anybody would have anticipated
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  out of him. Yeah, Clemens came up and then
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  it was Royce Lewis struck out to end the ball game, but down 10,
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  nothing. Come roaring back 10-9 and they
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  suck me in a game. I wonder how many people are in
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  the ballpark at the end of it, just to see that come back.
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  A lot of Yankee fans I'm. Sure, right.
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  Yeah, absolutely. It's a good thing that the
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  Yankees were in town because especially, you know, teams that
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  are hopelessly out of it and as I guess the Kansas City Royals
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  would now fit into that category.
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  And, and what we're seeing when it comes to to Cal Raleigh, is
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  he the American League MVP? How could he not be?
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  I this is something that we have this conversation often.
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  Because Judge seemingly was overwhelmed.
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  Devin, we'll get to you in just a second.
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  I want to hear what you have to say.
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  It's Most Valuable Player, it's not best stats, it's not best
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  WAR, which unfortunately it's turned into because that's an
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  easy way to kind of. Just a factor in your mind that
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  the Mariners are going to win their division and the Yankees
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  will not. That is a big part of it.
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  That is when you're talking about value, you take care and
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  judge off that team. I still think they're a playoff
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  team, at least on the fringes of the playoffs.
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  Well. He's missed some time, too.
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  You take Cal Rally off that team.
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  No, no, God. Forsaken, they're hanging out
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  with the A's and the Angels. Well, they're a little better,
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  maybe. That's value.
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  That guy also plays a premium position at catcher and he's out
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  there for a catcher a ton. I don't know, defensive.
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  I don't have those metrics handy.
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  What he is as a defender, he broke a.
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  Record that was held by Mickey Mantle.
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  That's one the switch hitting home run record that just takes
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  it to another sphere for me. Maybe it shouldn't.
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  And then his next home run also, was it a club record?
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  Did he beat Griffey's club record?
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  I think so. Yeah, with his second home run
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  of the game yesterday, he's got to be the MV.
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  Is is Judge still the choice, by the way?
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  Oh, I would anticipate. Yeah, he's still.
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  It was pretty significant. I he was pretty significant and
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  I thought maybe I mean that might be worth looking into.
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  All right, let's get Devin in here.
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  I Cal, that's got to be a the prices had to be narrowed.
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  Yeah, you have to Devin. Well, let me hit the right
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  button here, Devin. It's my first day.
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  Hi, Devin. How are you?
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  I'm doing well. And real quick, before I get to
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  my comment, yeah, Kenny, I want to make sure I tell you this.
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  Congrats on your retirement. Thank you buddy.
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  I I never listened to sports radio until I moved to Des
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  Moines last year. You guys were the first show I
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  listened to and I love, I've loved it ever since.
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  So Congrats to you, truly the godfather of sports radio.
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  It's been an awesome hearing for the last couple of last year
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  rather. Thank you very much.
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  You bet. So you mentioned about a month
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  ago you guys were talking about like when it comes to playoff
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  time for the Cubs, you were like, is Kate Horton the third
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  guy? Boy, is he saying Ken Miller?
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  Hold my beard. He is absolutely insane.
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  And I got a stat here I want to read off.
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  So over his last 11 starts, Kate Horton is 8 and one.
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  He's just allowed six total runs in the entire span.
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  The last time, last in the modern era.
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  The only other Major League pitcher to have 8 plus wins and
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  six or fewer runs allowed over an 11 start span is Bob Gibson
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  in 1968. I saw that one last night.
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  Bob Gibson in 68, It's unbelievable.
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  He was so good. And he got beat in the World
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  Series by Mickey Lulich. Oh really?
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  He was the MVP. Tigers beat him that year.
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  That's a really good stat, Devin.
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  He's special, isn't he? I mean he really interested.
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  It's insane, yeah. Skene got the top of the marquee
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  in the billing for that game last night.
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  Horton stole the show. Oh yeah.
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  Yeah. It was unbelievable.
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  Enjoy the show guys. Devin, thank you for listening.
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  Thanks, Devin. Certainly appreciate.
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  It here's another Kate Horton stat for you for go back to
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  2015. You remember how nuts Jake
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  Arrieta was in the back half of the?
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  Year. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That year, through 11 starts, Arrieta had nine wins at the ERA
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  of. Zero post All Star break.
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  This was yes post All Star break. 0.93 ERA.
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  Kate Horton haven't started since the All Star break.
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  Eight wins, a 0.93 ERA. The exact same ERA that Arietta
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  had that season. Kate Horton is special.
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  No, he really is. He truly is.
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  It's going to be fun to watch his career unfold and he has
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  arrived in a big, big spot. So he's the one.
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  Managa 2. Tie on three.
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  You think it's tie on? I think so.
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  Did you see what they did at the end of the game last night?
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  So my guy, Kittridge had been closing.
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  Uh huh he came in in the 6th or no he cause Horton pitched 6 so
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  he must have come in in the 7th and then they went to Keller at
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  the back of the game up 41 to get.
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  The save so. Keller not got those
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  opportunities. All right, we've got these
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  numbers. These just came to the baseball.
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  Benny, he opened his app. Do you have yours?
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  For the American League MVP. Yes.
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  Is judge -900 on your? That's crazy. -900 for Aaron
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  Judge, Cal Raleigh Plus 470. 5 What am I missing?
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  What? What is where is Judge
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  statistically that much better than Cal Raleigh?
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  Well, if you're a believer in war, and I know a lot of the
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  voters are, Aaron Judge, far and away wins that character.
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  Trendy can't throw the ball from right field to the second
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  baseman. He's hurt.
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  Offensive war and 8.3 Defensive. He's a negative, a zero point, a
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  negative 0.6 for Aaron Judge. Overall, though, 8.4 That's more
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  than a full win than second place on the list.
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  Next up, Paul Skins, Chris Sanchez, those are the next two
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  Cal Raleigh's six and wins above replacement.
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  A defensive he also -0.1 or yeah, 0.1 for him.
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  Still getting away from the war statistic.
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  It's Cal Raleigh. And he's plus 475.
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  You're going to take a stab. So.
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  Pet post puffed tonight I I field it.
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  He's got 56 home runs. What if he hit 60 right?
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  Does that change the dynamic? I think it would I there's those
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  round numbers definitely help things.
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  So here's the numbers for Aaron. I'm floored by this.
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  I really am. That, that's that he's -900 You
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  have to bet $900 to make 100. He's batting 326.
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  Judges 48 homers, 103RB, IOPS 1.127.
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  I mean, that's that's ridiculous.
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  Alright, here's Cal Rowley, his numbers in comparison.
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  As a catcher, he's batting 247. OK, Yeah. 56 home runs, 118 RBI,
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  OPS951. Pretty big dip in comparison
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  between. How many of the 100 and how many
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  games has has Cal Raleigh played?
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  It's a great 140. What?
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  He has 100 and he's played 148 this.
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  Year has he really and how do they played $1.50?
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  Probably, yeah. That's about what?
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  How many he caught? Don't have that.
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  So that's a pro, that's a a pro baseball reference number.
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  So he's behind the plate night in and night out most nights.
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  I'm sure he's D aged a little bit.
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  I mean, they got to give the poorest some time off.
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  And see if I can find the number not readily available.
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  Didn't jump up here What he's actually caught this season I.
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  Think go down to his fielding if memory serves on that.
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  For reference, standard batting value, advanced batting, post
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  season batting appearances, standard fielding there.
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  You go. Here we are. 114 games behind
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  the plate, 34 as the designated hitter.
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  You got to take a shot, don't you?
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  I think So what? Do they have left?
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  Do they have Seattle? Yeah.
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  Do you know? I got their schedule right here.
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  So they will wrap up at the Royals the next two days.
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  Then they go to Houston, which will be a monster affair.
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  Yeah, well, for that division. Oh my God, that's a huge series.
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  They get the Rockies. No, don't they?
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  They get the Rockies. They don't go to the Rockies.
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  They get the Rockies at home in Seattle, and then they're home
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  for the Dodgers. Oh my God.
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  Which could be an important series.
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  Yes. For both teams, more of a
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  spotlight opportunity against a name brand.
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  For I would guess that they'll probably be national television.
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  That'll also be a part of it. The thing's that over.
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  If he gets to 60. 6060 is the number.
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  I think that's it. I really do.
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  If he can, if he can find a way to put 60 up there, OK, I, I
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  guess I, I, I wouldn't have guessed that the numbers are so
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  far in favor of Judge that way. But man, look what he's doing as
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  a catcher. How many games has Aaron Judge
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  been the DH? Oh, that's a great question too.
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  Let's get Thunder Joe in here. Thunder Joe, welcome to the
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  program. How are you, Joe?
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  You're retiring June 24th, 30 years.
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  Oh, you're retiring in 30 years, so I'll be 70.
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  Four No, No, no, no, no, no. No, I like how you're talking.
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  I like how you're talking. In June 24th it will be 30 years
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  and that's the day. So I got nine months left.
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  I've been living here since listening to you, since Chrysler
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  was a corporal. Thank you, buddy.
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  Thank you, man. I mean, OK, let's make a case
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  for the big dumper now. Great nickname by the way,
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  right? Doesn't that come into play?
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  That's the MVP name right there hand in the award yes, so so I
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  got I got kinfolk that we don't talk baseball, but I do have a
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  relative that is the president of baseball operations for the
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  Mariners. Oh really?
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  Now that's cool. Now, now my question is, does
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  Jerry Depoto go out and make those moves for Suarez and
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  Naylor if he does not have Raleigh?
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  No. You know, you know, that's
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  pretty good. Plus 475 Joe get your attention.
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  Yeah, I mean, I throw 1000 on it.
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  I'm one too. I mean, I think it's worth the
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  play. No, not, not to that level, but
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  Thunder. Joe's units are a little bit
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  different than ours, really. Spending all that Thunder
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  Championship ticket, I get any cash?
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  That's good stuff, Joe. Thanks.
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  Go ahead. Anything else?
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  Actually I won. I won a lot on when I got in on
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  SDA on the MVP I got in a week 1.
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  Actually made pretty good money on that.
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  Good for you, good for you, but. Real quick in baseball, like is
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  the vote, is the voters going to get judged fatigue like they
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  get. I hope so.
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  I hope so. Judges DH54 games this year.
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  Baseball Benny, just text me. Well, look at, look at, look at
• 19:01
  the DH, look at the DH position. It's giving Kyle Schwarber a
• 19:04
  job. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 19:06
  And he does it pretty well. Thanks, Joe.
• 19:08
  Appreciate it. Good to hear from you.
• 19:10
  Well, we'll see. Pretty good, pretty good
• 19:12
  conversation. We talked baseball here 'cause,
• 19:14
  after all, Trent baseball. Tuesdays and.
• 19:16
  Wednesdays and Wednesdays are for baseball here on Miller and.
• 19:19
  Conn and a little WNBA last night.
• 19:20
  From you did. I did.
• 19:21
  Did you watch the Fever? Not much of the fever.
• 19:24
  It was more of my well, I had Seattle last night.
• 19:26
  Are you? Aware of the controversy around
• 19:28
  the Rookie of the Year, the way that the award was was handed
• 19:31
  out. There, There wouldn't be a day
• 19:32
  ending in why if there wasn't controversy in that league.
• 19:35
  Good. And and particularly focused on
• 19:37
  that girl, but that woman, it's it's unbelievable.
• 19:41
  They literally Christy sides the coach.
• 19:46
  Last year, the fever held up her iPhone on speaker for Kathy
• 19:50
  Engelhardt, the commissioner of the WNBA to announce that
• 19:54
  Caitlin Clark was the rookie of the year.
• 19:56
  Well, that's going out of your way, right?
• 19:59
  This year she got in an airplane.
• 20:01
  She flew to where her page Becker's squad was, wherever
• 20:05
  that is. If they're on the road, I'm not
• 20:06
  sure. And they did a big to do with
• 20:09
  cameras and everything to award her the rookie of the year.
• 20:13
  She plays for Dallas, right? They didn't win 10 games this
• 20:15
  year. They didn't win 10 games and 1st
• 20:18
  rookie of the year ever to come from a team that doesn't win 10
• 20:21
  games. Now we know Caitlin was the
• 20:23
  runaway winner. Pete Becker's was a runaway
• 20:25
  winner. And she slam dunk.
• 20:28
  She got 70 of the 72 first place votes.
• 20:31
  Now we'll never know who those voters are.
• 20:33
  Oh, God forbid. I'm guessing when Mike Pom joins
• 20:35
  us on Friday, he'll make us. God, that bugs him, doesn't It?
• 20:38
  Does. We will be joined by David Icult
• 20:40
  next. Mitch Holt is still to come.
• 20:41
  Glad you're with us on a Wednesday, Miller and Condon on
• 20:44
  the Iowa Sports Radio Network. All right, 1230, welcome back
• 20:56
  Miller and Condon High Sports Radio Network.
• 20:58
  Trent Condon and Ken Miller with you until 2.
• 21:01
  Mitch Holt is still to come. This hour, the voice radio voice
• 21:04
  of the Kansas City Chiefs, David Eichold covers the Hawks 24/7
• 21:07
  sports hawkeyeinsider.com and he joined us long time.
• 21:11
  David Eichold, how are you? Doing all right, man.
• 21:15
  I'm, I'm, I'm actually happy it's a Friday game because you
• 21:19
  guys know in this business when you're, when you're covering it.
• 21:21
  Hell yeah. A Saturday game, especially the
• 21:23
  night games, you really don't get a chance to watch a lot of
• 21:26
  college football. So as I was telling Trent off
• 21:28
  the air, I'm excited to get all my work done Saturday morning
• 21:32
  and I'm just going to sit on my couch or maybe cruise the bar
• 21:35
  scene and watch college football.
• 21:37
  No, don't blame you. Don't blame me a bit.
• 21:39
  And there's some big games, obviously, the Big 10, NBC Prime
• 21:42
  timer, Illinois and Indiana certainly has a little cachet.
• 21:46
  But as you mentioned, some pretty big game in for the sake
• 21:50
  of our state on Friday night with Iowa travelling to Rutgers.
• 21:54
  And there's some good news and some bad news of that position,
• 21:56
  right, when it comes to Kamari Moulton being back.
• 22:00
  And he is absolutely going to play according to Kirk Ference
• 22:03
  or he's been cleared to play. We'll see if he does.
• 22:06
  But Xavier Williams, on the other hand, news not so good
• 22:09
  there. So let's start there, David.
• 22:12
  Yeah, obviously, you know, Kirk kind of made a funny joke where
• 22:15
  he talked about he would rather prefer not to have a prisoner
• 22:18
  exchange, as he called it, Xavier Williams getting out and
• 22:22
  then Kamari Moulton coming back in.
• 22:24
  But you know, Kamari Moulton is the guy that we all thought I
• 22:27
  had a chance to have a really big breakout year, done a lot of
• 22:30
  the right things in the offseason, got a chance to stay
• 22:32
  out. Caleb Johnson operated last year
• 22:35
  and had a few strong games for Iowa.
• 22:37
  But to get Kumari Moulton back, it finally feels like there's
• 22:40
  some health news that that's going in favor of Iowa because,
• 22:43
  you know, Iowa was so healthy going into the season.
• 22:46
  And ever since that feels like the Reese Vander, the weird
• 22:49
  situation that he got himself into and he is going to miss
• 22:53
  another game. By the way, he'll be out next
• 22:55
  week. It's kind of in a downward
• 22:56
  trajectory. So for Iowa to get Moulton back,
• 22:59
  obviously losing Xavier Williams, the team's leading
• 23:01
  rusher, is is a bummer. But Moulton, I feel like the
• 23:04
  team's best all around back. I think you're getting a lot out
• 23:07
  Jazz Patterson and he's really comfortable with his role and
• 23:11
  he's going to be a frequent contributor there.
• 23:13
  I don't think you're worried too much about the depth of the
• 23:16
  rangback room and the guy that I would like to see a little bit
• 23:18
  more of. I don't know if you guys are the
• 23:20
  same opinion. I'd love to see freshman Nathan
• 23:22
  McNeil continue to get some reps, but I know you probably
• 23:25
  don't want to burn his red shirt.
• 23:26
  But he just moves differently. He has a lot of maturity in his
• 23:31
  game for being a true freshman. But I'll be very, very intrigued
• 23:34
  about how that kind of snap count goes.
• 23:36
  Are they going to throw back in Kamari, you know, carrying the
• 23:39
  ball 20 times? Or are they going to say, hey,
• 23:42
  you know what? We're going to give him 11:50
• 23:43
  carries. Then maybe they try to get TJ
• 23:46
  Washington going again. He hasn't had a start that he
• 23:48
  would like. Are they going to rely a lot on
• 23:50
  Jazz Patterson? Are they going to throw the ball
• 23:52
  more? It's definitely one of the
• 23:54
  bigger, I think, storylines hanging to this one.
• 23:55
  But yes, news rang back. One is back for the first time
• 24:00
  since I I believe he left the first game after the first
• 24:03
  drive. So to get him back is is
• 24:04
  definitely a big deal. One of the things Kirk mentioned
• 24:07
  yesterday was special teams. People probably will just
• 24:11
  remember Kate Weechin and the outstanding performance he had.
• 24:14
  But a block punt, a missed extra point, a missed field goal,
• 24:17
  snaps look shaky. I would can't afford that.
• 24:21
  Take us back to Kirk yesterday and you could tell that one,
• 24:24
  that one is rankling him a little bit because Iowa, they
• 24:26
  can't afford not to be great in special teams.
• 24:30
  You have to be great orally in the special teams and on defense
• 24:33
  if your offense is not balanced and frequently getting the ball
• 24:37
  down the field right. And I think special teams, I
• 24:40
  think for the right reasons. We were not talking a lot about
• 24:43
  it pre season because I don't know about you guys.
• 24:45
  I chalked them up as having a top five special teams in the
• 24:47
  country, top three even between Restake, in between Drew
• 24:52
  Stevens, between, you know, the returning Jet Award winner and
• 24:54
  Kane Weed. It just seemed like things have
• 24:57
  been missing. And those small miscues, I mean,
• 24:59
  the missed extra point, the block point, the lack of returns
• 25:03
  or execution against Iowa State, like that will cost Iowa games
• 25:08
  and Big 10 play. Because he talked about Iowa
• 25:11
  doing the small things, right, winning games in such weird
• 25:14
  ways, right? How many times the special teams
• 25:16
  been a major part of that. I think you have to give Lavar
• 25:19
  Woods the benefit of the doubt. I think you have to give Kirk
• 25:21
  Ferris the benefit of the doubt. But you could tell like Kirk was
• 25:24
  very, very pressed about it and kind of analyzing Kirk over the
• 25:27
  last few years, guys, I don't know if you've picked up on the
• 25:30
  same pattern. My assumption when it comes to
• 25:32
  Kirk Ference and criticism he gives his teams is based on the
• 25:36
  level he expects them to operate at.
• 25:39
  When I was passing offense was not good over the last few years
• 25:43
  when it was whether it be K McNamara, Deacon Hill or a
• 25:46
  couple other guys, he really would not criticize or hold
• 25:49
  accountable the passing offense. And I believe it's because he
• 25:52
  had no expectations for them. I think when you see this year,
• 25:55
  you look at the special teams, when you look at the passing
• 25:58
  offense, he's been fairly critical, directly critical of
• 26:01
  them more times than I can remember.
• 26:03
  And I think it's because he expected them to be farther
• 26:05
  along and executing cleaner. So I think he's challenging his
• 26:08
  team and there's no doubt that he's challenging special teams
• 26:11
  to to kind of get back together going into Big 10 play.
• 26:14
  Oh, and. It goes back to something you
• 26:15
  said David, back to the running back position when it comes to
• 26:18
  Nathan McNeil. Do you know if if if Ference and
• 26:21
  and and the player have had that red shirt discussion is to is to
• 26:24
  know in a perfect world what what the team would like, what
• 26:27
  he would like. I'm sure McNeil would like to
• 26:29
  play if he had ultimately the final call.
• 26:33
  Do you know if they've talked? I don't know if there's been a
• 26:37
  decision made, but I I'll say this, I think especially if
• 26:39
  you're running back, what do we always talk about the short show
• 26:43
  when it comes to running backs? I mean, I'm not going to blame
• 26:45
  him at all if he wants to play right away, right, and get those
• 26:48
  reps And I think it's well deserved because you talk about
• 26:51
  running backs kind of washing out the league at what, 2930
• 26:54
  years old? There's a handful of backs still
• 26:56
  in the league. But anyway, the thing I will go
• 26:58
  back to is before the season, going into the Albany game, we
• 27:01
  asked about the freshman and he said everybody is kind of wait
• 27:05
  and see. But Nathan McNeil is kind of the
• 27:07
  only one we've green lit right now with the ultimate green
• 27:09
  light. That tells me that they don't
• 27:12
  plan on red shirting. And and honestly, with the way
• 27:14
  that the running back health has been so far, I think you got to
• 27:18
  continue to prepare unless you're going to play, right.
• 27:21
  So I don't know if there's been an exact decision made if
• 27:24
  they've talked, but based on the verbiage of Kirk, based on the
• 27:27
  reps he's gotten, I would be slightly surprised if he ended
• 27:31
  up redshirting this season. Definitely need that kind of
• 27:35
  skill out there. You talked to Mark Gronowski on
• 27:37
  Tuesday. Let's hear a little bit about
• 27:39
  the quarterback. Like a few of the things that we
• 27:41
  saw out of him. It does feel like they're taking
• 27:43
  steps forward with the caveat it was UMass.
• 27:46
  They're awful. Still, Gronowski going into this
• 27:49
  week, in the short week, Friday night against Rutgers, he's got
• 27:51
  to play well, I think, to get this road victory.
• 27:54
  So I think two things can be true, right?
• 27:56
  One, we're not going to take too much away from Iowa's passing
• 27:59
  performance against UMass, right?
• 28:01
  Like, let's keep it real here. That's what we do on this
• 28:04
  station. But #2 Iowa is not in a position
• 28:08
  to pick where it gets its momentum from or positive
• 28:10
  production from, especially in the passing game.
• 28:13
  So you can't really hold it against them.
• 28:14
  I do think Mark kind of got a swagger back.
• 28:16
  I think he's obviously a lot more comfortable.
• 28:18
  And I think Iowa's passing game as a whole has taken a step
• 28:21
  forward time and time again. And I'm of the unpopular
• 28:25
  opinion, I actually think Mark's probably the fourth biggest
• 28:28
  issue in the passing game right now.
• 28:29
  I think the route running is a big issue.
• 28:31
  And guys, how about the drops? I mean, Mark Garnowski's
• 28:35
  completion percentage would probably be in the mid 60s if
• 28:37
  they cleaned up half the drop. And I'm not talking about a drop
• 28:40
  like, oh, they have to jump up and try to make a miraculous
• 28:43
  catch. Oh, they're diving.
• 28:44
  They're hitting them right in the chest.
• 28:46
  They're hitting them right in the hand and they've not been
• 28:48
  able to haul it in. And I like perks message
• 28:50
  yesterday we said we call them wide receivers, not wide
• 28:52
  droppers. Like he knows that's an issue
• 28:55
  right now, but when it comes to Mark, I think he's clearly a lot
• 28:58
  more confident in what he's doing.
• 29:00
  I don't think he's pressing as much.
• 29:02
  You can tell he he kind of believe, he believes in what the
• 29:05
  team is being able to run. And I liked what he said when we
• 29:08
  asked him about the drops. We basically ask, hey, is there
• 29:11
  anything you can do when you throw the football or, or
• 29:13
  physically to kind of help out your guys?
• 29:15
  He said, no, not really, but I'm going to continue to encourage
• 29:18
  them. I'm not going to second guess
• 29:20
  myself when I throw them the ball.
• 29:22
  They need to know I have faith in them.
• 29:24
  And he said, I'm always going to be happy to stay late, you know,
• 29:27
  to throw them extra passes, make sure they're hitting the jug
• 29:30
  machines and kind of control what they can control.
• 29:33
  So I think from a leadership standpoint and all that, I think
• 29:36
  you're getting the right things out of him.
• 29:38
  I'm very interested because Rutgers defense has been shaky.
• 29:41
  I think Iowa is going to maintain that sort of aggressive
• 29:44
  mentality. I think they're going to test
• 29:45
  them down the field. But another thing that Greg
• 29:48
  Schiano, the Rutgers head coach, said yesterday is he stated Mark
• 29:51
  Granowski's running ability could give them a little bit
• 29:54
  double. And I'm kind of eyeballing that
• 29:56
  saying, hey, you know what that means?
• 29:58
  There might be some receivers left on the island.
• 30:00
  You might be able to take some shots down field.
• 30:02
  He might be able to run the full mesh.
• 30:04
  But Mark Gronowski is not going to shy away from Big 10
• 30:06
  physicality. And if you need 4 yards, he'll
• 30:09
  go out there and get you 5. But I do think Mark's feeling
• 30:12
  very confident hanging into the game.
• 30:14
  But it's a whole different animal.
• 30:16
  Big 10 football blackout. He's playing these games and
• 30:20
  ultimately guys, he's being paid to win these types of games, to
• 30:24
  win big 10 Rd. games. There is pressure on him, but I
• 30:27
  think he's in the best position possible given all the the
• 30:29
  context of everything else. Yeah, good Intel on Shiano.
• 30:32
  Did not hear that. Last, last thing.
• 30:35
  I thought Jayden Harrell had his best game as a hawk.
• 30:37
  I guess you got to put that caveat.
• 30:39
  Yeah, UMass, I get it. But a lot of criticism coming.
• 30:42
  He was his way. I thought he played pretty well
• 30:45
  on Saturday night. I I thought it was too.
• 30:48
  I think Harold is an interesting case because I always think he
• 30:51
  knows what's going on in terms of play recognition, but
• 30:54
  sometimes he's been a step so to recognize it.
• 30:56
  But again, that's the type of thing man, where that will kill
• 30:59
  you in Big 10 play. I think he's had some really
• 31:01
  good moments. I think he's had some low lights
• 31:02
  as well. I think this needs to be the
• 31:05
  week where he has his best all around game because if he can do
• 31:07
  it against Rutgers now again, albeit it's Rutgers, their
• 31:10
  offense has been pretty darn good this season.
• 31:13
  I know they've played, you know, Cal, Eastern University, Tech,
• 31:17
  Ohio and you know, some other cupcake, but they're executing.
• 31:20
  I think Kelly Mana says 7 touchdowns, no interceptions,
• 31:24
  completing 72% of his passes. I do think there's some pressure
• 31:28
  on Harold to to maintain that high level play and and to
• 31:31
  recognize those plays and be a step ahead of everything instead
• 31:34
  of trying to play catch up. But I'm right there with you.
• 31:36
  I think he played his best game against UMass, but I would like
• 31:40
  to see him get more tackles considering Iowa's defensive
• 31:44
  mentality in the way they approach everything.
• 31:46
  It's the funnel tackles to the linebackers and especially the
• 31:49
  Mike linebacker. He's leading the team in
• 31:51
  tackles, but he only has 19 through three games.
• 31:54
  I'd like to see him have a double digit game against
• 31:56
  Rutgers. Quick hit on this, just 30
• 31:58
  seconds left, Luke Brewer, a kid from just down the road from us
• 32:01
  in Norwalk reclassifying, big news, one of the type top tight
• 32:05
  ends in the country, Iowa State, Iowa, obviously involve Penn
• 32:08
  State, Tennessee, Miami. What are you hearing on his
• 32:11
  recruiting front and going a year early to the collegiate
• 32:14
  ranks? Yeah.
• 32:16
  I mean, I think that kind of changes iOS mentality because I
• 32:19
  really wasn't too sure they were going to take it 26 tight
• 32:22
  Enders. Two, I thought they were going
• 32:23
  to really focus in on Jax Dejean and Luke Brewer, but Brewers
• 32:26
  entering 26, I think you throw the bow to him.
• 32:29
  I think he's an elite prospect. I think he's a legitimate 4 star
• 32:31
  prospect, probably top 247 guy when it's all said and done if
• 32:35
  he has a big season. But yeah, you're exactly right.
• 32:38
  Tennessee, Penn State, Miami calling, I know Georgia's
• 32:40
  calling as well. Iowa State and Iowa, this is the
• 32:43
  guy that's going to rake in some big NIL dollars.
• 32:46
  And if I'm Iowa, with the way the side end room looks right
• 32:49
  now, I think you're right in my blank check because he has
• 32:51
  potential to be a really, really good college side end.
• 32:54
  David Eichel, 24/7 Sports, hawkeyeinsider.com David, thanks
• 32:58
  for popping. Appreciate it.
• 33:00
  Yeah. Thanks, guys.
• 33:01
  Appreciate you. Take care.
• 33:02
  Talk to you. Enjoy the weekend watching
• 33:04
  college football. Mitch Holtis joins us next.
• 33:06
  Miller and Condon, Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 33:13
  Henry Condon, welcome back to the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 33:16
  Wherever you're listening in the state of Iowa, grateful that you
• 33:19
  are. Mitch Holt is the voice of the
• 33:20
  Chiefs. He sponsored each and every
• 33:22
  week. Although we don't hear from
• 33:24
  Mitch on bye weeks, got to give him some time off Papa John's
• 33:27
  Central Iowa makes this spot possible.
• 33:29
  Mitch, Trent and Ken Giants this week, and we'll get to that in a
• 33:32
  second. I guess a couple of areas I want
• 33:35
  to talk to you about. That's the running game first
• 33:38
  and foremost. Obviously it's not ideal to have
• 33:41
  the quarterback leading the team by significant margin.
• 33:45
  I mean, he's gifted running. There's no doubt about it.
• 33:47
  When a play breaks down, it's most of the time going to end up
• 33:49
  being a first down. But still, what do they need to
• 33:53
  do to get this running game going, Mitch?
• 33:57
  Well, and your point is well taken.
• 34:00
  Right now, Patrick Mahomes has more rushing yards than
• 34:03
  everybody else in the team combined, and that's not good.
• 34:07
  When you look at, you know, the guys that are potential to run
• 34:11
  the ball, I think that there's got to be an emphasis on the
• 34:17
  runs called and then being committed to it to some extent.
• 34:23
  The 4th and one play at their own 36.
• 34:25
  They go to old school T formation, but they run a wide
• 34:27
  sweep which takes count count instead of just going straight
• 34:31
  ahead. And sometimes in the league,
• 34:34
  especially with the way that teams are playing the Chiefs,
• 34:37
  that it's OK to get 3 to 3 1/2 yards and just go straight
• 34:42
  ahead. Leads powered enough to run
• 34:44
  counters. Counters don't work unless you
• 34:46
  can run a play side lead in power.
• 34:48
  So I think answer your question, it's a very good 1 and in many
• 34:52
  ways a key on Sunday Night Football against the Giants.
• 34:55
  But straight ahead runs, commit to it.
• 34:59
  Even if there's just one drive, you're going to commit to try to
• 35:02
  get 4 yards on three runs, I get you a first down.
• 35:05
  But to do that kind of sets the tone and hopefully sets the
• 35:08
  table for everything else. You look back, there are
• 35:10
  opportunities against the Chargers, there are
• 35:12
  opportunities certainly this past week against the Eagles.
• 35:15
  It's it's O and two, but it doesn't feel like Owen 2 for a
• 35:18
  lot of different teams. What's the mood inside the
• 35:21
  locker room and knowing a three consecutive losses dating back
• 35:24
  to the Super Bowl, something that hasn't happened in Mahomes
• 35:27
  career. What's it like though, inside
• 35:29
  that locker room right now? It's actually very good and
• 35:34
  that's not to wave a pom pom and say OK, hey, it's all good.
• 35:38
  But this team has gone through, especially with Andy Reid,
• 35:41
  starts with Andy Reid. Every year people forget you
• 35:43
  guys, the flashpoints the Chiefs have gone through.
• 35:46
  I don't know, 2021 there were three and four after seven
• 35:49
  weeks. In 2019 there were six and four
• 35:52
  and reeling. Lost three home games, 2023 nine
• 35:56
  and six in December. So it's not like this is
• 35:59
  unprecedented, but you also have and actually right behind Andy's
• 36:04
  Mahomes Patrick. This is his birthday, by the
• 36:06
  way, his 30th birthday today. Happy birthday, Patrick.
• 36:09
  Monday night he was on the Chiefs Kingdom show and a lot of
• 36:11
  our affiliates heard him basically answer that himself
• 36:15
  because I asked him the same question.
• 36:17
  But it's being on task in banding together even more
• 36:22
  instead of trying to fracture. So it's you're right now.
• 36:26
  I'd say this the first game felt like Owen one.
• 36:29
  The second game did not feel like Owen 2.
• 36:31
  The Chiefs should have beating the Eagles.
• 36:32
  Eagles were good but it was there.
• 36:34
  It boiled down to 3 plays. And by the way, I put this out
• 36:37
  on social Monday, I had to check this over and over and over
• 36:40
  again. Like this can't be right.
• 36:41
  The Chiefs have never won on the road against the Giants.
• 36:44
  Ever. What?
• 36:45
  They're all in. Seven since 1960.
• 36:48
  This franchise started as the Dallas Texans in the AFL.
• 36:51
  It is the only team of the 31 teams other than the Chiefs in
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  the NFL that can't beat themselves.
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  They have not beaten on the road.
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  The Giants, the G man, That's it.
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  The only one left. Although the Denver Broncos beat
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  themselves this past Sunday, Mitch will save that for another
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  day, that's for sure. Been there, done.
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  I hear ya. Hey, I want to ask you about the
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  tush push and I know that I just don't like it.
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  I don't it's it's not football. I get it.
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  Then stop it. That's the pushback.
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  But a, they were they were they lined up on every single one.
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  I don't like it, Mitch. And yet the league voted to keep
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  it in this this past offseason and I was surprised that
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  happened. But is it here to stay?
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  Well, I think they didn't vote it out because there's they're
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  trying to figure out how to legislate it.
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  How do you do it not have loopholes?
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  Now here's where I'm at on the tush push.
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  I think you have 7 officials. You know, the headlines went in
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  the down line. The down judge stands 27 yards
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  away from the ball. OK, so think about basketball.
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  Think about I can care if it's Drake, Iowa State, Northern
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  Iowa, Iowa, whoever's playing or Central DeWitt Sabres.
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  So I'm going to mention because Casey critters their long
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  snapper for the New York Giants out of the Central DeWitt High
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  School Sabres. Way to go.
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  Yeah, you got it, baby. Anytime I throw that in there
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  all. Right.
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  Here's the point. Here's the point.
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  You do a basketball game, you have a lead official, a trail
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  official and AC official. They follow the ball.
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  They don't stand in one place. I might be the trail official,
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  but I'm moving with the ball and with the players.
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  If you're going to run the tush push, why does the downed
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  linesman and the head or the line judge stay where they're
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  at? They should move in as far as
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  the closest outside player because they can't see it.
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  There's too many things in front of them to go.
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  Oh my gosh, that's a false start.
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  Now the camera picks it up, but the cameras can zoom in.
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  These guys are 27 yards away, and so why can't you?
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  The official if you're going to run the tush push, then I get to
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  move in as far as a yard outside the tight end.
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  If someone motions to me or they switch the formation, then I've
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  got to back up just like a basketball official.
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  But for the life of me, the NFL drives me crazy with some
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  things. Why would you have a tush push
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  formation? And I stand over by the down
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  marker, thinking this is where I'm supposed to be, where I
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  could mark it better, see it better, call it either legal or
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  illegal if I get as close as I can.
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  Yeah, helmets and shoulder pads and blah blah blah in the way.
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  Yeah, exactly 30 seconds left. Let's talk about Papa John's.
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  Let me also. Yeah, I am.
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  Then this is ironic. This is ironic because this
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  week's Special Boys is the extra large, wait for it, New York
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  style pizza from Papa John's. Timing is everything.
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  Irony and it's only one topping only 999.
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  I'm staying extra large. We're going with the big lineman
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  here, extra large, New York style, one topping only 999.
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  She's are going to try to win and got them for the first time
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  ever. Had no idea.
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  And it doesn't get much easier as here come the Here come the
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  Ravens next. Week.
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  Don't even bring it up. Don't even bring it up.
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  We're going to win a game. He's never been owing 3.
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  He was owing 3 as a Philly coach of 99.
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  That's. It good stuff Much, Mitch.
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  Thank you, buddy. We'll talk to you next week.
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  See ya. Yep, Mitch Holtz's voice of the.
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  Are you surprised this is only 5 1/2?
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  Yes, yes, something. Stinks.
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  Yes, I'm with you. That's your excellent point.
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  Cappy kicks it off. Want more NFL misery with our
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