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- 0:01S1: Coming to you live in studio. It's Carl and crew
- 0:05S1: on Moody radio.
- 0:07S2: Is it in the Bible or is it not? Let's
- 0:11S2: play a little game. We'll pretend we've got some game
- 0:16S2: show music. Nice. We'll pretend that there's a cheesy background.
- 0:21S2: And I'm your host. Woo hoo! You'd be a great host,
- 0:24S2: by the way. Game show host. Yeah.
- 0:27S3: I think like a trivia game. You would.
- 0:29S2: That would be so much fun. I used to I
- 0:31S2: used to really enjoy watching those those game shows.
- 0:34S3: Yeah. I mean, I know we're off tangent there, but
- 0:36S3: I mean, when you said that I thought you would
- 0:38S3: be a great host.
- 0:39S2: So would you super die? You're the one who's got
- 0:41S2: experience since you're not a game show, but you were
- 0:43S2: on the, the the Bozo show. That's right.
- 0:46S3: That's right. I got major experience.
- 0:47S2: Major experience. Okay. I want you to put your thinking
- 0:50S2: caps on and I am going to read to you something,
- 0:54S2: a phrase, a saying. And I want you to in
- 0:57S2: your mind decide. is that in the Bible? Is it
- 1:01S2: close but not quite. Or nope, not there at all.
- 1:05S2: First question. Yes. For I know the plans I have
- 1:08S2: for you. Yes, it's in there. Close, but not quite. Nope.
- 1:12S2: Somebody else said that. What do you say?
- 1:14S3: It's in there.
- 1:15S2: I'm going to go with. Yes, it's in there. And
- 1:17S2: that is correct. Jeremiah 2911 for I know the plans
- 1:21S2: I have for you. Next up, God is in control.
- 1:26S2: Is that in the Bible? Is that close but not quite.
- 1:29S2: Or did somebody else say that close? I think I'm
- 1:33S2: I think I'm with you. I think I'm, I think
- 1:34S2: I'm it's a close, but not quite that it's true
- 1:36S2: in principle, but I don't know if that is actually verbiage. Okay.
- 1:41S2: We are this is a nope. Somebody else it this
- 1:45S2: is a modern comfort phrase, not a verse. Though plenty
- 1:48S2: of verses point at the idea. It's not actually explicitly
- 1:54S2: stated in the Bible. It is. It is true that
- 1:56S2: God is sovereign. We know that. God is in control.
- 1:59S2: It's not a verse. All right, let's go a couple more.
- 2:02S2: And if you have been listening this week, you better
- 2:05S2: nail this one. God helps those who help themselves. Is
- 2:08S2: it in there? Close to a knuckle?
- 2:12S3: That was a terrible. That is zonker.
- 2:13S2: But that is a nope. But that was said by
- 2:17S2: somebody else that, as we talked about extensively on Monday,
- 2:22S2: was from a fable. A farmer who gets his wagon
- 2:27S2: stuck in the mud and then cries out for help
- 2:33S2: from Hercules. And another is told, according to the fable,
- 2:38S2: that essentially heaven helps those who help themselves put your
- 2:43S2: shoulder to the wagon and push man.
- 2:46S3: Is that where it comes? Put your shoulder to the metal.
- 2:49S2: Or maybe, I don't know. That might have also been
- 2:51S2: Aesop's Fable.
- 2:52S3: Okay, yeah.
- 2:53S2: I'm going to give you one more. As a dog
- 2:56S2: returns to his vomit. So a fool repeats his folly.
- 3:01S2: Think about it for a minute. Is that in Scripture? Yes.
- 3:03S2: It's there. Close, but not quite. Nope. Somebody else.
- 3:06S3: I'm going.
- 3:07S2: Yes, yes, it is in there. That is correct. That
- 3:09S2: is Proverbs 2611. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And now I'm
- 3:14S2: going to throw in one more bonus one before I
- 3:16S2: give you a link to the quiz, where you can
- 3:19S2: take some more of these questions on your own time.
- 3:22S2: What about this saying when God closes a door, he
- 3:27S2: opens a window? Is it in scripture or is it not?
- 3:33S2: What do you say?
- 3:34S3: I think not.
- 3:37S2: It is not in Scripture. And I did some digging
- 3:40S2: on this yesterday and was absolutely delighted to find that
- 3:44S2: the origin of that little phrase that is oft repeated
- 3:47S2: when God closes a door. I'll say it in the
- 3:50S2: voice that it said, and then you can figure out
- 3:54S2: where this came from, right? When God closes it all,
- 3:59S2: he opens a window that was said by.
- 4:03S3: Your favorite.
- 4:04S2: And The Sound.
- 4:05S3: Of Music your favorite. Oh my.
- 4:08S4: I have confidence in sunshine. I have confidence in rain.
- 4:14S4: I have confidence that spring will come again. Besides which,
- 4:19S4: you see, I have confidence in me.
- 4:21S2: Yes, that was said when she's leaving the abbey. Because
- 4:25S2: she gets this assignment to go and care for.
- 4:28S3: The.
- 4:28S2: Captain, the Von Trapp family and his children. She walks
- 4:33S2: out and she's got her bag in her hand and
- 4:36S2: her hat on her head, and she's nervous. And so
- 4:39S2: she says, when God closes a door somewhere, he opens
- 4:43S2: a window.
- 4:44S3: He's got the accent and everything.
- 4:46S2: I know the accents, the accents. Not not good at all.
- 4:49S2: But it's fun trying.
- 4:50S3: I did not know that was your where I originated.
- 4:53S2: There are other versions of the of.
- 4:55S3: That.
- 4:56S2: Circulating. But that particular phrase. 1965 Sound of Music today.
- 5:02S3: I was.
- 5:02S2: Really excited.
- 5:03S3: To learn that. Sure you were.
- 5:05S2: So I want to give you this quiz that Drew
- 5:07S2: Dickens Doctor Drew Dickens helped put together with the help
- 5:11S2: of AI. He put this together just for you so
- 5:13S2: that you can quiz yourself on some of these sayings.
- 5:16S2: You're going to learn a thing or two. I have
- 5:17S2: not gotten a perfect score yet, and I've taken it. There's.
- 5:20S2: You can take it multiple times because it's it cycles
- 5:23S2: through about 100 plus questions, 18 at a time. So
- 5:26S2: if you want this quiz, just text drew to (800) 555-7898.
- 5:33S2: And I want to reiterate, this is just for fun.
- 5:35S2: There's no there's no gold stars awarded. There's no red marks.
- 5:38S2: If you miss some just text drew. Have some fun
- 5:41S2: with this. Drew to (800) 555-7898. Just text drew (800) 555-7898.
- 5:50S1: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the cast and
- 5:53S1: crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
- 5:56S2: So it's not in Scripture that saying that originated with
- 6:02S2: The Sound of Music. The best movie ever made. When
- 6:07S2: God closes a door somewhere, he opens a window. You've
- 6:11S2: heard versions of that, probably right? That when when God
- 6:14S2: closes a door, some other door is going to open. And,
- 6:18S2: you know, this is what's usually told to people in
- 6:22S2: situations like what a the loss of a job or
- 6:26S2: you didn't get the promotion or when some expected advancement,
- 6:32S2: an open door is not given to you, it's denied
- 6:36S2: to you or it's taken away from you. And so
- 6:40S2: it feels comforting to tell somebody, okay, well, God closed
- 6:45S2: that door. Surely somewhere else he's opened one.
- 6:49S3: And I'm guilty of using that phrase in some way. Well, I.
- 6:53S2: Mean, I wouldn't use the word guilty because.
- 6:55S3: Okay.
- 6:56S2: But let's coming up. Let's examine. We've already established that
- 7:00S2: there's no verse that says that. But coming up, let's
- 7:04S2: talk about open and closed doors. Is there any biblical
- 7:08S2: basis for that at all? Well, examine coming up. You know,
- 7:12S2: talking about these separating fact from fiction in the Word
- 7:15S2: of God. There's a couple different categories here, and I
- 7:17S2: want to be super clear. There are, as we will
- 7:21S2: discuss later this morning, there are times when the Word
- 7:24S2: of God is intentionally misused to try to deceive, to
- 7:30S2: try to mislead. There are times when the Word of
- 7:35S2: God is mistakenly misquoted, where there's not the same motives,
- 7:41S2: but the impact of putting forth something as the Word
- 7:45S2: of God that isn't there certainly can be problematic for
- 7:50S2: a lot of reasons, but I want to free you
- 7:52S2: up here. And I feel like I'm. Sometimes, even when
- 7:55S2: Carl isn't here, sometimes I hear myself and I'm like, boy,
- 7:58S2: I sound like Carl here because I can hear him saying,
- 8:02S2: I want to I want to free you here.
- 8:03S3: That's right.
- 8:05S2: This is not a Diana. You mentioned you've used this
- 8:09S2: when when God closes a door, you know, somewhere he
- 8:11S2: opens a window or somewhere another door.
- 8:13S3: Yeah, yeah.
- 8:14S2: And and I want to I want to set you free.
- 8:16S2: If you've if you have used some of these sayings
- 8:20S2: that are so popular, I don't want you to feel
- 8:22S2: a sense of shame or, or, or guilt or like, oh, no,
- 8:26S2: I've misled. There are plenty of things that are true
- 8:28S2: generally that maybe you don't have a chapter and verse,
- 8:32S2: but we know several things about God. We know that
- 8:34S2: God is sovereign.
- 8:36S3: That that's just it. Knowing he is sovereign, his plan
- 8:39S3: is far better than anything that we can ever put
- 8:41S3: on paper ourselves, or in our mind or in our
- 8:43S3: hearts that he is sovereign and he does all things.
- 8:46S3: He loves us. He loves us. He can do all things.
- 8:49S2: So it is okay to speak about the character of
- 8:53S2: God and you're not presuming upon. I think the problem
- 8:56S2: is when we when we think that. Okay, so this
- 8:59S2: door is closed. So some as if it's some sort
- 9:03S2: of a magical formula that like a door is closed,
- 9:07S2: a window is opened. Like it's not. We know that
- 9:09S2: God doesn't always work that way, that sometimes a door
- 9:13S2: closes and you're not even sure what your next step is,
- 9:16S2: but you trust that God has is going to direct
- 9:19S2: and order your steps, because you can build a whole
- 9:23S2: case for God leading his people.
- 9:26S3: And at that time, more than ever, put your trust
- 9:29S3: in God to go where that next so-called door will open.
- 9:33S3: But so let's talk.
- 9:34S2: Let's look for closed and open doors in Scripture. Is
- 9:38S2: that biblical? I'm going to read a couple passages for
- 9:41S2: you and and and you can draw your own conclusions.
- 9:43S2: I want to first go to Colossians four three says.
- 9:47S2: At the same time, pray also for us, that God
- 9:50S2: may open to us a door for the word, to
- 9:53S2: declare the mystery of Christ, on account of which I
- 9:56S2: am in prison. That's out of Colossians. Let's go to
- 10:00S2: second Corinthians 212 and 13. When I came to Troas
- 10:04S2: to preach, to preach the gospel of Christ, even though
- 10:07S2: a door was opened for me in the Lord, my
- 10:10S2: spirit was not at rest because I did not find
- 10:13S2: my brother Titus there. So in both of those cases,
- 10:16S2: the open door is speaking of ministry opportunities. One more
- 10:21S2: for you. First Corinthians 16. I'm going to read to
- 10:24S2: you five through nine. This I will visit you after
- 10:27S2: passing through Macedonia, for I intend to pass through Macedonia.
- 10:30S2: And perhaps I will stay with you, or even spend
- 10:33S2: the winter so that you may help me on my
- 10:35S2: journey wherever I go. For I do not want to
- 10:38S2: see you. Now, just in passing, I hope to spend
- 10:40S2: some time with you if the Lord permits. But I
- 10:43S2: will stay in Ephesus until Pentecost, for a wide door
- 10:47S2: for effective work has opened to me, and there are
- 10:51S2: many adversaries.
- 10:53S3: So encouraging.
- 10:54S2: How encouraging. Right?
- 10:56S3: Super encouraging.
- 10:56S2: Actually, there are three passages where clearly the language used
- 11:01S2: here is a door being opened for ministry. So it's
- 11:06S2: okay to look for open doors where God is providing
- 11:10S2: opportunities for you in ministry, that his leading can often
- 11:14S2: come in the form of open doors. But as we
- 11:17S2: see in first Corinthians 16, there was a wide door
- 11:22S2: open and there were many adversaries. So you would think, wow,
- 11:28S2: if there's a lot of opposition that seems like a closed.
- 11:32S3: Door, I want.
- 11:32S2: It seems like a closed door, right? There's opposition that
- 11:35S2: feels like a door being slammed shut in your face.
- 11:38S2: Maybe not, maybe not. Yeah, because he's saying this is
- 11:42S2: a wide door for ministry, and there are many adversaries.
- 11:48S2: There's a popular Bible teacher who I have learned a
- 11:52S2: lot from, and something she says often is we should
- 11:56S2: not whisper where Scripture screams and we should not scream
- 12:02S2: where Scripture whispers. And here's what she means by that.
- 12:06S2: I think we have to be careful not to build
- 12:09S2: a whole theology on things where there's the scriptures whispering.
- 12:15S2: So I think where it comes to closed and open doors,
- 12:19S2: I think there's some whispering there. And we don't we
- 12:23S2: don't know exactly like how that always works. There are
- 12:28S2: other places where Scripture screams, Scripture screams of grace and mercy.
- 12:36S3: Do I have your attention? Do I have your attention?
- 12:39S2: So we want to. So the takeaway is we don't
- 12:42S2: want to build a whole theology on. So every closed
- 12:45S2: and open door, if that's your primary or only way
- 12:49S2: of saying where God's leading, I think we have to
- 12:52S2: be careful because it could be the case that a
- 12:55S2: door could appear closed, that God absolutely wants us to
- 13:00S2: continue to try to knock on. Right?
- 13:02S3: Right. Keep going.
- 13:03S2: So I want to give you those passages if you're
- 13:05S2: taking notes. Colossians four three, and then I was also
- 13:09S2: in first and second Corinthians, first Corinthians 165 through nine,
- 13:13S2: second Corinthians 212 and 13, where God closes the door.
- 13:19S2: I don't know.
- 13:21S3: Don't know.
- 13:21S2: I don't know, but abide. So I think maybe a
- 13:24S2: better way to say that is when God closes a door,
- 13:28S2: seek him, trust him, trust that he's leading you. Abide.
- 13:33S3: Yes.
- 13:34S2: And look for open doors of ministry opportunities.
- 13:37S3: Yes.
- 13:38S2: I like that. Let's land there.
- 13:41S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 13:44S2: How long do you think it takes to write a book?
- 13:47S2: To write a full book. Get it published, get it printed,
- 13:51S2: have it disseminated. It used to be that someone had
- 13:54S2: to write a full book to get their ideas out there.
- 13:59S2: Then you could do a website, which can happen much
- 14:03S2: more quickly. Now you can press a button on your
- 14:08S2: phone and instantly have a pretty wide audience to be
- 14:13S2: able to say whatever you like. How has that impacted
- 14:18S2: us spiritually? So many people talking, so many people with
- 14:24S2: a platform, saying some good things, some things that are biblical.
- 14:28S2: The gospel for sure is going out on social media,
- 14:32S2: on Facebook, on Instagram, on all of the different platforms
- 14:35S2: that maybe I'm too old to use. But then what
- 14:39S2: about the risk of false teaching? How do you know?
- 14:42S2: Will you be able to know when what you're hearing
- 14:46S2: is true or not true? Doctor Sam Storms is with
- 14:50S2: us right now weighing in on this very important topic.
- 14:53S2: It's never been easier to speak loudly to a lot
- 14:58S2: of people at one time. And that can lead to
- 15:03S2: a lot of deception. Just start there kind of the
- 15:06S2: moment we're in just with technology.
- 15:09S5: Yes. In fact, it's interesting, as I was thinking about
- 15:12S5: this before we came on the air, every single letter
- 15:15S5: of the Apostle Paul, except for that short personal letter
- 15:18S5: he sent to Philemon, contains warnings about false teachers and
- 15:22S5: false prophets, and alerts us to the fact that they're
- 15:24S5: going to be present, that we are not to be
- 15:26S5: naive or gullible. I think perhaps the most interesting one
- 15:30S5: was when Paul was leaving Ephesus. He had the elders
- 15:34S5: gathered around him and he says, I'm telling you that
- 15:38S5: as soon as I leave immediately after my departure, fierce
- 15:42S5: wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock
- 15:45S5: and from among your own selves, from. Think of that
- 15:47S5: from even among the elders at Ephesus, men will arise
- 15:51S5: speaking twisted things to draw away the disciples after them.
- 15:55S5: And that's why when Paul issues his said, be alert,
- 15:58S5: be conscious. And, um, don't be naive. Realize that, uh,
- 16:02S5: people who maybe have good intentions or you, you may
- 16:06S5: have a good relationship with them. They can still be
- 16:08S5: individuals who are promoting false teaching. So all through the
- 16:12S5: New Testament, we are warned about this. And of course,
- 16:14S5: we're seeing it very much in our day, I think
- 16:15S5: probably more so now than ever before.
- 16:18S2: So how rampant is spiritual deception? Is this how big
- 16:22S2: of a problem is it?
- 16:25S5: Yeah, that's a interesting question. I think really, anybody who
- 16:29S5: has any degree of discernment can just open their eyes
- 16:32S5: and ears and they see it everywhere. You just turn
- 16:35S5: on the radio, Listen to some podcasts. Watch a television
- 16:38S5: show that on a Sunday morning. Um. It's everywhere. It's pervasive.
- 16:43S5: And I think one of the reasons behind it for
- 16:46S5: a couple of reasons, number one is because oftentimes false
- 16:49S5: teaching is very appealing. Yeah, it sounds new. It sounds novel. Oh,
- 16:53S5: I've got something to tell you that the church has
- 16:55S5: never known before, which ought to be a red flag immediately.
- 16:58S5: So it is very appealing. And then secondly, uh, it
- 17:02S5: generates a lot of income for those who are who
- 17:04S5: are promoting this. Uh, you think, uh, somebody is going
- 17:08S5: to hold a conference basically, uh, undermining certain biblical doctrines
- 17:13S5: as over against another conference down the road that's simply
- 17:16S5: going to do a verse by verse study of the
- 17:18S5: book of Romans. Where are people going to go? They're
- 17:20S5: going to go to the first. They want their ears tickled,
- 17:22S5: as Paul said, and we have to be aware of that.
- 17:25S2: So let's talk about some of the big trends or
- 17:28S2: categories where you see this deception most clearly. Start with
- 17:35S2: what you see is the. What's the biggest one right now?
- 17:37S2: The biggest area from your vantage point of spiritual deception?
- 17:41S5: I think probably the biggest one is the push back
- 17:44S5: against what I would call the exclusivity of the claims
- 17:48S5: of Christ. The fact that John 14, where Jesus says,
- 17:52S5: I am the way, the truth, and the life, no
- 17:54S5: one comes to the father but by me. They're beating
- 17:57S5: up on that passage. They're trying to rewrite it, reread it,
- 18:00S5: reinterpret it, because they don't like the idea that the
- 18:04S5: only way to be reconciled to the father is through
- 18:06S5: faith in the the cross work of the son. And
- 18:10S5: so it seems as if they try to portray themselves
- 18:13S5: as well. We're really motivated by love. We just really
- 18:16S5: are concerned about the people who seem never to have
- 18:19S5: heard about Jesus. But they fail to remember that God
- 18:22S5: will only hold people accountable for what he has revealed
- 18:25S5: to them. And we're reading Romans one that he is
- 18:27S5: revealed to all mankind his existence, his attributes, his power,
- 18:32S5: his eternal nature, and also through conscience. So, um, it's
- 18:36S5: not an unloving thing to, to maintain the standard of
- 18:41S5: teaching in Scripture that it is only through faith in Christ.
- 18:44S5: I think coming along with that is this ever growing
- 18:47S5: rejection of penal substitutionary atonement, the idea that when Jesus died,
- 18:52S5: he suffered the penalty in our place. There's the penal substitutionary, um,
- 18:57S5: in order to atone for our sin. You know, there
- 19:00S5: characterized characterizing this as, oh, that's cosmic child abuse, which
- 19:05S5: is a horrible thing to say, uh, of the most
- 19:08S5: glorious thing that has ever done, namely the cross of Jesus.
- 19:11S5: But the rejecting that, um, there, there are others who
- 19:15S5: are advocating, you know, they come from the other end
- 19:17S5: of the spectrum that they wouldn't deny anything that I've
- 19:20S5: just said, but they're into this prosperity gospel where they
- 19:23S5: think that it's God's will to make you healthy and wealthy.
- 19:26S5: And that's primarily the promise of the gospel. Um, and
- 19:30S5: if you're not, it's because you lack the faith. So
- 19:33S5: there are all sorts of, um, false teachings that emerge
- 19:37S5: in our day. I think those are the ones that
- 19:39S5: are carrying the most weight. And let me just say
- 19:41S5: one more thing. The underlying assumption in all these views
- 19:46S5: is that the Bible is not the inspired and inerrant
- 19:49S5: word of God. It's it's a helpful guide. It's, you know,
- 19:52S5: describes for us the, uh, you know, the religious opinions
- 19:55S5: of people of that period of time in history, but, uh, they're,
- 19:59S5: they're ever increasing in their denial of the final authority
- 20:04S5: of the Bible. And that's why I think that the,
- 20:07S5: the best thing for Christians to do to avoid being deceived.
- 20:11S5: You've got to be biblically literate. It's biblical illiteracy. People
- 20:16S5: just don't know the fundamental truths of Scripture. They've kind
- 20:20S5: of turned away from the rigours of Bible study and
- 20:24S5: memorizing the text. But if you have a framework, a
- 20:27S5: mental and theological framework through which you process every claim.
- 20:33S5: And that framework, of course, is the truths of God's Word.
- 20:36S5: You won't be spiritually deceived. You will. You'll just have
- 20:39S5: that little red flag immediately come up in your minds.
- 20:42S5: Wait a minute. That doesn't that doesn't coincide with what
- 20:45S5: I read in Romans or that's inconsistent with what I
- 20:48S5: read in Genesis. So people, we just need to develop
- 20:52S5: a deeper biblical literacy, an awareness of what the Word
- 20:55S5: of God really does teach. And that way you won't
- 20:58S5: be caught unaware. You won't be caught, uh, in deception
- 21:02S5: and you'll know truth from falsehood.
- 21:04S2: Doctor Sam Storms, our guest right now. He's the founder
- 21:07S2: and president of Enjoying God Ministries. He has written over
- 21:11S2: 40 books. He's written extensively on a lot of different topics.
- 21:14S2: We'll have a link for you at the end of
- 21:16S2: our conversation. You know, as the parent of now two teenagers,
- 21:21S2: one of the things I see generationally, and I'd love
- 21:23S2: for you to speak to this is the pushback that
- 21:26S2: in their generation is often around what is loving and
- 21:31S2: what is not. So it's it's acceptable to say that
- 21:34S2: God is loving, but it extends to. Therefore, and there's
- 21:39S2: all a lot of different claims that are very popular for, for,
- 21:44S2: for their age. What do you say? Is that intergenerational
- 21:47S2: or is that a young person thing? So for example,
- 21:50S2: issues around gender and sexuality issues around how we view Israel,
- 21:56S2: it often lands with God is loving. Therefore this thing
- 22:00S2: must be true. What do you say about that? And
- 22:04S2: how do you counsel people who work with young people,
- 22:06S2: or even maybe some of our younger listeners, to wade
- 22:10S2: through that, because it can be disorienting?
- 22:13S5: Yes. You've raised an excellent point. And it's so true
- 22:16S5: that this, uh, basically the, the ultimate criterion for anybody
- 22:21S5: believing or rejecting something today is, is it loving? Instead
- 22:26S5: of saying, Is it true? Mhm. Let's just take one example,
- 22:30S5: which is a hot topic today, the homosexual and the
- 22:33S5: transgender debate that's going on in our society. And the
- 22:37S5: the reason why so many insist on acceptance of all
- 22:41S5: of these life choices is because we want people to
- 22:44S5: feel good about themselves. We don't want them to feel bad.
- 22:47S5: We want them to to know that we care for
- 22:49S5: them and love them well. Yes, we do want to
- 22:52S5: love them. We do want them to know that we care.
- 22:55S5: But here's the issue. What if a person is pursuing
- 22:59S5: a style of living that the Word of God says,
- 23:03S5: if they do not repent of, it will put their
- 23:05S5: soul in jeopardy of eternal damnation. That's the question I ask.
- 23:09S5: Does the Word of God speak to the issue of
- 23:12S5: our sexuality? And of course it does. I mean, it's
- 23:16S5: very explicit. He says those who practice homosexuality will not
- 23:19S5: inherit the kingdom of God. And the same for those
- 23:22S5: who live in unrepentant fornication. So it's not just same
- 23:27S5: sex sin, it's it's opposite sex sin as well. And
- 23:31S5: people say, oh, but that's just you're being unkind. You're
- 23:33S5: going to make people feel bad about themselves. Well, if
- 23:37S5: I really love that person, I'm going to warn them
- 23:40S5: of the threat that their behavior poses to their eternal welfare.
- 23:44S5: It's like, you know, uh, patient goes into a doctor
- 23:48S5: and they've got this massive tumor in their stomach. And
- 23:51S5: the doctor says, I really don't want to upset you
- 23:53S5: or hurt your feelings. So let me just prescribe some
- 23:56S5: medication and you'll be fine. Don't worry about it. Not
- 23:59S5: telling the patient that, in fact, they have stomach cancer
- 24:01S5: and they need immediate surgery. Um, so we have to
- 24:05S5: stand firmly on truth and to tell the truth is
- 24:09S5: loving to, to, to mislead people and let them believe
- 24:13S5: things that are false, that are ultimately and eternally damaging
- 24:17S5: to their soul. That's not love. Love speaks truthfully. Now
- 24:21S5: we have to speak it in a way that's kind, uh,
- 24:24S5: and not angry, but we have to speak it clearly
- 24:27S5: from what the Word of God says.
- 24:29S2: You know, you mentioned these spiritual red flag. Now we
- 24:32S2: know being anchored in the Word of God, and we've
- 24:35S2: been talking about that all week, is the that is
- 24:38S2: how we arm ourselves against deception. Let's talk about some
- 24:41S2: of these spiritual red flags. The things that, when this
- 24:45S2: is present, should automatically cause us to ask more questions.
- 24:49S2: I'll give you an example. There was a a popular, uh,
- 24:53S2: Christian leader. I'll leave it at that. And it has
- 24:56S2: a very large following and whom I can agree with
- 25:00S2: a lot of what they teach. But one thing that
- 25:03S2: I noticed was that so much of what they taught
- 25:06S2: was reliant on personal revelations from the Lord. So many
- 25:13S2: of the sermons would would be heavily based on this
- 25:17S2: is what the Lord personally revealed to me. And so
- 25:19S2: I decided that I did not want to follow that
- 25:22S2: person anymore. I didn't want to follow them on social media.
- 25:25S2: I have nothing negative to say about them, but I
- 25:27S2: was concerned about the overreliance on personal revelation. To me,
- 25:32S2: that was a red flag. What do you say on
- 25:34S2: that one? And what are ones that you see that
- 25:36S2: should immediately make us ask more questions?
- 25:39S5: Absolutely. I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm probably
- 25:42S5: thinking about the same person. But we will there are
- 25:46S5: there are quite a few of these. And and I
- 25:49S5: think the reason they do it is because it has
- 25:51S5: an incredible magnetic appeal. People want to have their ears tickled.
- 25:56S5: People want something that's new and novel. They don't want
- 25:59S5: something that's, uh, you know, been around for 2000, 3000 years.
- 26:03S5: They want new, fresh insights into into spiritual truth. But again,
- 26:09S5: I tell people all the time, if somebody stands up
- 26:12S5: and says, hey, God has revealed something to me that
- 26:15S5: nobody in church history has ever seen. You need to
- 26:18S5: immediately stop, get up out of your seat and walk
- 26:21S5: out because that is dangerous. Um, the finality of Scripture,
- 26:27S5: the sufficiency of scripture is foundational to, uh, being discerning
- 26:32S5: and being aware of various forms of deception. Another example
- 26:36S5: of this. There is an ever increasing movement among professing
- 26:41S5: evangelicals toward what's called universalism. The idea that in the end,
- 26:46S5: some way, some manner, uh, at some time, God will
- 26:50S5: reconcile all to himself and nobody will suffer eternal damnation. Well,
- 26:55S5: that has a real appeal to it. We like to
- 26:57S5: think of that, especially if our loved ones and friends
- 27:01S5: died without any faith in Christ. We like to think, oh,
- 27:05S5: surely God will give him a second chance or a
- 27:07S5: third chance. Those are the kinds of teachings and doctrines
- 27:12S5: that oftentimes proliferate through the evangelical world. A man can
- 27:16S5: get up like the one you're talking about and say,
- 27:18S5: you know, I was in Deep in Prayer the other
- 27:20S5: day and I asked the Lord about that very issue,
- 27:22S5: and I just felt this reassurance in my heart that
- 27:25S5: he was saying, don't worry, I will eventually reconcile all
- 27:28S5: to myself. And one of the things that that does
- 27:31S5: is it undermines our evangelistic outreach. Yeah. If God is
- 27:35S5: ultimately going to reconcile everyone, then why would we bother
- 27:38S5: sharing the gospel with them in this life? So there
- 27:41S5: are far reaching consequences for each of these denials of
- 27:45S5: biblical truth, and we need to be aware of it.
- 27:47S5: Let me give you another example. It's it's really growing
- 27:50S5: in its popularity. It's this idea that the Old Testament
- 27:53S5: God is different from the New Testament God, the Old Testament.
- 27:58S5: God is mean and vindictive, and he commits genocidal murder. Um, and,
- 28:05S5: but we see the real nature of God in Jesus
- 28:08S5: in the New Testament. Well, how many times did Jesus
- 28:12S5: refer to the Old Testament and affirm its authority and
- 28:14S5: its truth? So, and again, people say, oh, well, you know,
- 28:18S5: the God of New Testament, He's. He's really nice and loving,
- 28:21S5: not like the the brutal God of the Jewish people
- 28:23S5: of old. And I say, have you read the book
- 28:25S5: of revelation? Do you know what is coming upon the
- 28:29S5: unbelieving world, those immersed in idolatry? There is as much
- 28:33S5: about the wrath and justice of God in the New
- 28:35S5: Testament as there is in the old. But we've got
- 28:38S5: this tendency that people have of just kind of rejecting
- 28:41S5: the Old Testament. You know, read it because it's some
- 28:44S5: nice stories, but don't believe what it teaches. That's another
- 28:47S5: red flag immediately that people need to be aware of.
- 28:50S2: Doctor Sam Storms want to give you the final word
- 28:53S2: before we before we close this conversation, so much more
- 28:56S2: we could say, but what do you want to leave
- 28:58S2: the listener with? Because you can hear this and you
- 29:00S2: can feel a little unnerved. We. But we. This is
- 29:05S2: not to make you afraid, but to make us sober
- 29:07S2: minded and aware. Final word to our listener.
- 29:10S5: Final word. And the most foundational word that I can
- 29:13S5: give is growing deeper in your understanding of and your
- 29:18S5: belief in the final authority of the Bible, because every
- 29:21S5: issue in ethics. You know what is right, what is wrong,
- 29:24S5: every issue in doctrine, what is true, and what is false.
- 29:27S5: You have to make a judgment. You have to have
- 29:30S5: an authority that tells you what is and what is not.
- 29:34S5: And the only authority that we have been given is
- 29:36S5: God's Word. So I would just say to people, immerse
- 29:39S5: yourself in Scripture. Uh, let the Spirit of God form
- 29:42S5: in you a framework for processing everything that you hear
- 29:46S5: so you'll know truth from falsehood the moment you hear it.
- 29:49S5: If we can just simply return to a conscious reliance
- 29:53S5: upon the final authority and sufficiency of Scripture, we will
- 29:56S5: be far better off to face the challenges of today.
- 29:59S2: Doctor Sam Storms, founder and President of Enjoying God Ministries,
- 30:02S2: I want to point you to his website. Many more resources.
- 30:05S2: He's written extensively, both books and blogs. Just text storm
- 30:10S2: to 805 557898. Just text the word storm 805 557898.
- 30:19S1: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening
- 30:24S1: to Carl and crew.
- 30:26S2: I was just talking to someone about this yesterday. I'm grateful.
- 30:31S2: So grateful for the Word of God for so many reasons.
- 30:34S2: But when you think about how God reveals himself to us,
- 30:40S2: I'm very grateful that even though there are so many
- 30:44S2: great teachers and authors and experts and theologians, and boy,
- 30:50S2: do we get blessed by so many of them on
- 30:54S2: this show.
- 30:54S3: He took the words out of my mouth across.
- 30:56S2: All of the other programs on Moody Radio. There is
- 30:59S2: no shortage of wonderful, wonderful people speaking the truth about
- 31:03S2: the Word of God. But here's the thing. When we
- 31:07S2: have the Word of God, we are not reliant ultimately
- 31:13S2: on another person to correctly interpret it, interpret it for us.
- 31:21S2: Can you imagine if we did not have the Word
- 31:24S2: of God and had to trust that somebody else was
- 31:30S2: telling us correctly what it said? Think about that for
- 31:34S2: a second. At any given time, you can hear whatever
- 31:38S2: you hear on Moody radio. Whatever you hear on a
- 31:39S2: Sunday morning, whatever you hear on a podcast, you have
- 31:45S2: the ability and the freedom to go to open this
- 31:49S2: book for yourself. Say, are they telling me the truth
- 31:53S2: about what it says? Think about that for a second.
- 31:57S2: What an incredible privilege that is. Which is why we
- 32:01S2: just finished our conversation with Sam Storms. When the Word
- 32:05S2: of God is de-emphasized, when greater weight is given to
- 32:11S2: the words of man than the words of God.
- 32:16S3: That's the slope we don't want to be on at all.
- 32:20S2: It's just, I don't know, I just this, this hits
- 32:22S2: me because there are plenty of people. You ever been
- 32:29S2: disappointed by by a leader?
- 32:31S3: Oh, never. Never. Or any human. Yeah.
- 32:36S2: You've. You listening? You've experienced hurt in a church. You've
- 32:40S2: had a leader who maybe you thought was one thing
- 32:45S2: and they turned out not to be. Maybe you've stopped
- 32:49S2: going to church because people there let you down. That's real,
- 32:55S2: I get that. I've had my own share of church hurt.
- 32:59S2: There's a whole category now for that term. I've experienced it.
- 33:05S2: But aren't you grateful for the Word of God that
- 33:09S2: supersedes all of that? That you can go. And the
- 33:13S2: reason why you know that what happened at that church
- 33:17S2: or with that person. How do you know it was wrong?
- 33:21S2: The word of God. The abuse of power, the manipulation
- 33:27S2: that may have happened, that may have really happened. What
- 33:32S2: establishes it being wrong is God's Word and how much
- 33:36S2: he cares about his people. The warnings against those who
- 33:40S2: would put a stumbling block or who would lead his
- 33:43S2: people astray. You don't want that. So coming up, we're
- 33:48S2: going to talk about the Word of God. And maybe
- 33:51S2: you've gotten away from reading the Bible. Can we give
- 33:55S2: you some encouragement to get back to it coming up.
- 33:58S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl
- 34:01S1: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.
- 34:04S2: Have you ever heard the expression that someone devoured a
- 34:08S2: great book? You sat down with it. You couldn't put
- 34:11S2: it down. And you use the word devour. Like I
- 34:14S2: consumed the entire thing in the same way that you
- 34:16S2: might devour a tasty meal. Do we have that approach
- 34:20S2: when it comes to the Word of God? I've got
- 34:22S2: a special guest joining us as we talk about being
- 34:25S2: faithful to the Word of God, avoiding spiritual deception. Nate Pinkowitz,
- 34:30S2: he's written the book How to Eat Your Bible A
- 34:32S2: Simple Approach to Learning and Loving the Word of God.
- 34:35S2: The idea of devouring or consuming or eating so that
- 34:39S2: we're satisfied so that we're full. Talk about first, the
- 34:42S2: premise behind the book.
- 34:44S6: My desire was to give just a very easy approach
- 34:48S6: to learning the Word of God. I think a lot
- 34:51S6: of believers either struggle to get in or just don't
- 34:53S6: know how to approach the Bible. It's daunting at some times.
- 34:57S6: So I think just a guide to help people thinking
- 35:00S6: through just step by step, how do I read my Bible?
- 35:04S6: How do I understand it? How do I take spiritual
- 35:06S6: nourishment from it? Uh, there's so much value, but if
- 35:09S6: we can't get to it, then we're kind of at
- 35:11S6: a loss. So that's my hope, is to be able
- 35:14S6: to just encourage and help people to just grab their,
- 35:16S6: wrap their arms around scripture and be nourished and fed.
- 35:20S2: Nate is a teaching pastor at Harvest Bible Church in
- 35:23S2: New Hampshire. Before becoming a pastor, he worked in financial services.
- 35:27S2: He's an author of several books. Now, when it comes
- 35:31S2: to biblical literacy or biblical illiteracy, do you view that
- 35:36S2: as one of the greatest threats to the church in
- 35:39S2: the West today?
- 35:41S6: Absolutely. Because if we don't hear from God, if we
- 35:44S6: don't know what he has to say, we don't know
- 35:46S6: how to order our lives. We don't know what to do.
- 35:49S6: We don't know what to think, believe, feel. And so
- 35:52S6: without hearing from God's Word, I mean, there's a verse
- 35:56S6: in Scripture that says, without vision from the Lord, the
- 35:58S6: people perish. So, um, it's a huge problem. But I
- 36:01S6: think we're seeing sort of a spiritual uptick where more
- 36:04S6: people are interested in reading the Bible. I think, again,
- 36:08S6: the challenge becomes, how do you approach it in a
- 36:10S6: way that we don't over spiritualize or rip things out
- 36:13S6: of context? We want to make sure we read the
- 36:15S6: Bible the right way. So that's, I think that's probably
- 36:18S6: the biggest challenge, is just getting folks to understand how
- 36:21S6: to approach the scriptures in a way that's helpful for them.
- 36:23S2: So let's talk about the right way to approach Scripture,
- 36:26S2: which means that there must be wrong ways to approach Scripture.
- 36:31S2: Separate that out.
- 36:32S6: Probably what the most classic example is a person who
- 36:35S6: will do something that I've heard called Bible surfing or
- 36:38S6: lucky dipping, where they'll just open the Bible, close their
- 36:42S6: eyes and point their finger on a verse and say,
- 36:44S6: this is my verse for the day, or, or even
- 36:46S6: just try to read something into the text that isn't there.
- 36:49S6: They'll overspiritualize, you know, rolling the stones of adversity away
- 36:53S6: in our life when we're talking about the resurrection, you know,
- 36:55S6: things like that. But I think we have to treat
- 36:58S6: the Word of God for what it is. I mean,
- 37:00S6: it is a book written through the hand of God,
- 37:03S6: but certainly it is something that's written down. There are contexts,
- 37:06S6: there are things happening, real people, real events, real intention.
- 37:10S6: So we have to try to understand what's called the
- 37:13S6: author's intent. You know, what does God intend to say
- 37:17S6: to us through the word? And so that just takes,
- 37:19S6: you know, careful examination. You have to read, understand, uh,
- 37:23S6: there's a couple of useful tools, but I think just
- 37:25S6: trying to understand God's mind and heart. Why did he
- 37:28S6: put this here? What does he want me to know?
- 37:30S6: I think that's the first step.
- 37:31S2: Now, before we get to some of the tools, what
- 37:34S2: what was going on in your own life that triggered
- 37:36S2: you to start studying the Bible? What was the impetus
- 37:39S2: for your kind of your discovery here?
- 37:42S6: I had been a Christian for a few years at
- 37:44S6: that point. I was younger, probably in my early 20s. And,
- 37:47S6: you know, I would sort of spot read the Bible.
- 37:49S6: I knew it was a good thing to do, but
- 37:51S6: it was a huge, uh, deficit in my life. I
- 37:54S6: really didn't know God's word. I didn't really love God's Word.
- 37:57S6: I just felt guilty that I didn't read more. And
- 38:01S6: that was kind of what drove it. But then I
- 38:03S6: just began to pray and ask the Lord for desire.
- 38:05S6: I knew I needed his word, I was just scared.
- 38:09S6: I didn't know how to approach it. And so I
- 38:11S6: began to pray and ask the Lord for desire, and
- 38:13S6: then I. I stumbled into a Bible reading plan that
- 38:16S6: was different. It just approached each book individually. And so
- 38:20S6: I just started with the shortest book I could find
- 38:22S6: at the time, which was the book of Titus, just
- 38:25S6: reading every day and just studying, praying through, and just
- 38:28S6: went one verse at a time. So I think pulling
- 38:31S6: away from some of the overwhelming feelings, like I have
- 38:34S6: to master these huge books versus just saying, I can do,
- 38:37S6: I can do one page at a time. So that
- 38:39S6: was how I approached it.
- 38:41S2: So let's talk about some of the tricks or the
- 38:43S2: tools that have that you have found to be helpful,
- 38:46S2: both for you personally or just as you've done your research. Um,
- 38:50S2: Bible reading plans are, are, are really popular. Is that
- 38:54S2: a great place to start to read and understand Scripture
- 38:58S2: is to get a plan that maps it out for you.
- 39:00S2: Maybe reading through the Bible in a year. That's one
- 39:02S2: of the more popular ones.
- 39:03S6: Yeah, I think you have to know yourself as a student.
- 39:06S6: I think some people, you know, they're really good with the,
- 39:09S6: you know, with the regimens, with the repetition. I mean,
- 39:11S6: a lot of people do Bible in a year and
- 39:12S6: that's great. Um, I know for me, I work a
- 39:16S6: little bit differently. I like the repetition. Uh, so I,
- 39:19S6: I chose a plan that focuses more on one book
- 39:22S6: at a time for longer stretches of time. So, you know,
- 39:25S6: I read a small letter, say it's the book of
- 39:28S6: Titus or Ephesians every day for like a month. And
- 39:31S6: that just kind of nailed that down in my mind.
- 39:34S6: And I worked my way systematically through that. But I
- 39:36S6: think however you approach it, I think just working with
- 39:39S6: a plan that fits your own learning style, your reading speed,
- 39:43S6: what's comfortable for you, it shouldn't be painful or arduous
- 39:47S6: to read your Bible. It should be something enjoyable, something
- 39:50S6: you can handle. So, but I think just reading the Bible,
- 39:54S6: having carving out the time to get alone with God's
- 39:56S6: Word and just reading it at face value to start,
- 39:59S6: and then you can do some work afterwards. But yeah,
- 40:02S6: just getting into something that will help you get into
- 40:04S6: the Bible every day.
- 40:06S2: Yeah. I'm with you on the reading of the Bible
- 40:08S2: in the year has been, uh, has been a challenge
- 40:11S2: for me. I find that it just takes me longer
- 40:14S2: like that, that the pace of the in a year can,
- 40:19S2: can be intimidating. And so, you know, I'm glad that
- 40:22S2: you mentioned kind of going at a different pace because
- 40:24S2: sometimes when we feel like we are, we feel like
- 40:27S2: we're behind or we're not, we're, or we're reading, but
- 40:30S2: we have no idea what we're reading and we're trying
- 40:33S2: to kind of rush through it. How do we strike
- 40:36S2: that balance between not getting bogged down when we feel
- 40:38S2: like our brain can't keep up, but also not feeling
- 40:42S2: like I got to keep going so that I keep
- 40:44S2: up with this plan.
- 40:45S6: Yeah, I think if we consider the metaphor again, Scripture
- 40:48S6: talks about, you know, eating and consuming the Word of God.
- 40:52S6: I think if we think about even just how our
- 40:54S6: bodies process regular food, I mean, we eat every day,
- 40:58S6: but there are some days that you're hungrier. Other days
- 41:00S6: you're not as hungry. Some days you can digest this.
- 41:03S6: Other days you can digest that. I think the same
- 41:05S6: way goes with our spiritual life. I think there are
- 41:07S6: days when we're really locked in and we can spend
- 41:10S6: the time and focus. Other days it really is just
- 41:13S6: an obedience and we're kind of trying to figure it out.
- 41:15S6: But I think taking the pressure off and saying this
- 41:19S6: isn't something that it's, you know, life or death. If
- 41:22S6: I don't read, you know, this many verses today that
- 41:24S6: somehow I'm wrong. I think approaching it differently, like I
- 41:28S6: want to hear from God. I want to understand his mind.
- 41:30S6: I want to know him better. It changes how you
- 41:33S6: approach it. So yeah, I think everybody's different. But I
- 41:36S6: think that the discipline of engaging as often as you
- 41:39S6: possibly can daily at the very minimum. But I think
- 41:42S6: doing that in a way, um, again, knowing yourself and
- 41:45S6: knowing kind of how you function, but that's how I
- 41:48S6: think about it at least.
- 41:49S2: What are some helpful tools that you found that assist
- 41:52S2: in understanding, interpreting, and applying the word of God? Because
- 41:57S2: I know that many people start off, they'll open to
- 42:00S2: the book of Genesis and the narrative. It's. It's easy
- 42:04S2: to follow for a little while, but then you start
- 42:06S2: getting into Deuteronomy and Leviticus and it starts getting really
- 42:11S2: confusing quickly. And that's a commonly said. That's where a
- 42:15S2: lot of Bible reading plans go and die is when
- 42:18S2: you get into some of those passages, how, what are
- 42:21S2: some tools that help people who feel like. I just
- 42:24S2: don't understand what I'm reading, particularly in some of the
- 42:27S2: harder to understand Old Testament passages.
- 42:30S6: Pastorally, I usually encourage people who are new to the
- 42:34S6: Bible to start in the New Testament. It's not that
- 42:36S6: there's anything wrong with the Old Testament. The Old Testament
- 42:39S6: is wonderful, but I think to try to get the context,
- 42:41S6: I think, to understand the Gospels, to understand some of
- 42:44S6: the letters. And I think also knowing what you're reading.
- 42:48S6: You know, a gospel which is more of a story
- 42:50S6: narrative is different than one of the letters or the epistles,
- 42:54S6: which is different than the poetry of the Psalms or
- 42:56S6: the Proverbs. So I think knowing the genre of of
- 43:00S6: what you're reading, what kind of a book this is,
- 43:02S6: is really helpful. And then I also think slowing down
- 43:06S6: and trying to have some reading comprehension, what's happening, reading
- 43:09S6: the context around the verse, don't just jump on the
- 43:12S6: one verse, read the whole passage, you know, and just
- 43:14S6: try to see what's going on. But I've also found,
- 43:17S6: you know, there are study tools, commentaries, sermon series. There's
- 43:22S6: lots of other people who are really skilled at helping
- 43:26S6: teach and, and give light and help to understanding what's
- 43:29S6: going on. So I always encourage people to do that.
- 43:32S6: There are resources out there that can just kind of
- 43:34S6: help you along. But again, all that being said, you know,
- 43:37S6: nothing takes the place of just praying through the passage
- 43:40S6: and asking the Lord to give you understanding. And just
- 43:43S6: try to read it for for what it is. So
- 43:45S6: I think there are tools, there are helps. But the
- 43:48S6: Holy Spirit working through His Word is the greatest help.
- 43:50S2: Yeah. What's been the greatest joy for you as you have? Obviously,
- 43:54S2: you've written the book and you've talked a lot about it,
- 43:57S2: but in your own personal Bible reading, Bible study. And
- 44:00S2: then as you've seen others benefit from some of these tools,
- 44:04S2: what has been your greatest joy through this?
- 44:06S6: I love when I learn something new in the scriptures,
- 44:09S6: and I know that sounds like a weird thing to say,
- 44:11S6: but when you're teaching all the time, you know, it's
- 44:14S6: very easy to get caught up in just the teaching
- 44:16S6: of the same material that you think you know, but
- 44:19S6: then to pull away and just say, I'm not going
- 44:21S6: to read the Bible for a sermon today. I'm going
- 44:23S6: to read the Bible because I want to grow in
- 44:25S6: the Lord. And then when I'll read and I'll study,
- 44:27S6: and then something will, will either something new will hit me,
- 44:31S6: or it's a different application I haven't seen before because
- 44:35S6: I have so much to learn. So I think when
- 44:37S6: I when that happens, that's really encouraging. But I also think,
- 44:41S6: you know, when I talk to people, even in my church, um,
- 44:43S6: and they share things that they're learning and they'll ask
- 44:46S6: questions or they'll say, have you ever seen this before?
- 44:48S6: And sometimes they'll have an observation. They'll say, I didn't
- 44:51S6: catch that. That's really neat. Share that with me. So
- 44:54S6: I think there's sort of a communal aspect to understanding
- 44:57S6: and sharing and growing together. I think that's really exciting.
- 45:00S6: But I love when a newer believer or a younger
- 45:03S6: believer reads a book of the Bible for the first time,
- 45:06S6: and they're just overwhelmed and overawed by it. They love it,
- 45:10S6: and they just want to share that excitement. That gives
- 45:12S6: me excitement and joy, because the Word of God is
- 45:16S6: like a deep well, you just can't get to the bottom.
- 45:18S6: It's just wonderful. So those kinds of things really excite
- 45:21S6: me pastorally.
- 45:22S2: So last question for you. When somebody is ready to
- 45:24S2: start a reading plan and they're hearing this, and maybe
- 45:27S2: it's it feels like conviction because they've not been reading
- 45:30S2: the Word of God for a while. How can we
- 45:33S2: prepare our minds and our hearts? Because we know that
- 45:35S2: this is not like sitting down and reading a novel.
- 45:39S2: This is not just any other book. And so we
- 45:42S2: don't want to approach it that way.
- 45:44S6: I think, you know, carving out the time, you know,
- 45:47S6: don't try to have the TV on in the background,
- 45:49S6: carving out the time, sitting down with God's word. I
- 45:52S6: generally tell people to pick a book or, you know,
- 45:55S6: pick a passage they really just want to sit with.
- 45:57S6: Maybe it's the Gospel of John, quiet your heart. And
- 46:00S6: I would begin with prayer. Just pray first, ask the
- 46:03S6: Lord to give you understanding. I help them to get
- 46:06S6: all these other things, your shopping list and stuff out
- 46:09S6: of your mind, and really just try to carve out
- 46:11S6: the time, no distractions and pray through the passage. Read
- 46:15S6: it as it is. Try to understand what's going on,
- 46:17S6: and then asking the Lord to help you understand and apply.
- 46:21S6: What do you want me to know? Or what do
- 46:22S6: you want me to do or take away from this?
- 46:24S6: I think asking the Lord to grow you through His Word.
- 46:28S6: That's a prayer he wants to answer. He wants us
- 46:30S6: to be changed and grown through His Word. He wants
- 46:34S6: us to see and know him through His Word. I
- 46:37S6: think an earnest prayer and a humble heart to study
- 46:40S6: is always a good place to start.
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- 46:59S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 47:03S2: Once we tackle these passages of Scripture and we want
- 47:06S2: to avoid spiritual deception by being handling rightly the Word
- 47:12S2: of God. So this one that I want to tackle,
- 47:17S2: this is one that actually is in Scripture. So this
- 47:22S2: is unlike the God helps those who help themselves, okay.
- 47:26S2: Which is not there.
- 47:28S3: So we're going the other way.
- 47:29S2: God closes a door. He opens a window close, but
- 47:33S2: not quite. This one is quoted often, and it's right
- 47:38S2: there word for word in the scripture. But it's commonly
- 47:43S2: misapplied in a way that I think can cause some confusion. Okay,
- 47:49S2: so I'm going to read you the verse. And then
- 47:53S2: because context is so important, I'm going to read you
- 47:57S2: a lot of the verses around so that we can
- 48:00S2: help sort out what does it say and what is
- 48:04S2: not being said here. Okay, so Proverbs 821, death and
- 48:10S2: life are in the power of the tongue, and those
- 48:13S2: who love it will eat its fruits. Death and life
- 48:19S2: are in the power of the tongue. What does that
- 48:24S2: what does that mean? Before I begin to kind of
- 48:29S2: explain what commentators say, I want to read to you
- 48:35S2: the verses around it, because Proverbs 18 actually talks a
- 48:40S2: whole lot about speech, about how the tongue is used,
- 48:45S2: about how words are used. Proverbs 182 says, A fool
- 48:51S2: takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
- 48:57S2: A couple verses down. Proverbs 184 the words of a
- 49:02S2: man's mouth are deep waters. The fountain of wisdom is
- 49:06S2: a bubbling brook. A couple more verses. Proverbs 186 A
- 49:12S2: fool's lips walk into a fight and his mouth invites
- 49:16S2: a beating. It goes on. Verse seven. A fool's mouth
- 49:19S2: is his ruin, and his lips are a snare to
- 49:22S2: his soul. The words of a whisperer are like delicious morsels.
- 49:27S2: They go down into the inner parts of the body.
- 49:31S2: There are more. If one gives an answer before he hears.
- 49:34S2: It is his folly and shame. The one who states
- 49:39S2: his case first seems right. 17. Verse 17 says, until
- 49:44S2: the other comes and examines him. Then verse 20. From
- 49:48S2: the fruit of a man's mouth, his stomach is satisfied.
- 49:51S2: He is satisfied by the yield of his lips. And
- 49:54S2: then that back to verse 21. Death and life are
- 49:58S2: in the power of the tongue, and those who love
- 50:01S2: it will eat its fruits. So it's clear that Proverbs
- 50:05S2: 18 talks a lot about how we use our mouths,
- 50:09S2: how we use our tongue.
- 50:11S3: Yes.
- 50:11S2: It addresses quarrelsome words. Words that stir up controversy.
- 50:20S3: Right.
- 50:22S2: The rumor mill.
- 50:24S3: Gossip mill, the.
- 50:25S2: Gossip it addresses being quick to speak and slow to hear.
- 50:31S2: That one's interesting. So somebody who doesn't even finish.
- 50:35S3: Listening to what.
- 50:36S2: You're saying, but they they just delight in having their
- 50:40S2: opinion heard. Speaks to self-centered and opinionated Words.
- 50:46S3: Yes.
- 50:48S2: So with all of that in mind, verse 21, that
- 50:53S2: death and life are in the power of the tongue,
- 50:56S2: and those who love it will eat its fruits. There
- 50:59S2: are consequences for our words. Our words can be like
- 51:04S2: a deep bubbling brook where there's wisdom that flows out.
- 51:11S2: That's in that. Proverbs 18.
- 51:12S3: Refreshment and encouragement. Sure.
- 51:14S2: Yeah. Like verse four says, the word of a man's
- 51:16S2: mouth or deep waters. The fountain of wisdom is a
- 51:19S2: bubbling brook. But it also says a few verses later
- 51:22S2: that a fool's lips walk into a fight and his
- 51:25S2: mouth invites a beating. So with that in mind, that
- 51:29S2: death and life are in the power of the tongue.
- 51:32S2: Sometimes this gets misapplied, that somehow that we have creative
- 51:39S2: power with our words. And I'm not. I'm not knocking
- 51:47S2: any denomination here. But we have to be clear with
- 51:52S2: what the scripture says and it doesn't say. So if
- 51:55S2: you have heard this verse applied in a way that
- 52:00S2: leads you to believe that you can speak certain things
- 52:04S2: into existence, that by what you say or what you
- 52:10S2: don't say, that there's some creative power there. Proverbs 18.
- 52:17S2: Death and life are in the power of the tongue.
- 52:18S2: That is not what's being said here.
- 52:20S3: No, no, no, no, not at all.
- 52:22S2: There are consequences to how we use our words. Those
- 52:26S2: who love it will eat its fruit. There's fruit that
- 52:29S2: comes out of words that are used poorly. Or your
- 52:33S2: words that are used well. The lips that walk into
- 52:37S2: a fight. Well, that's clearly using the tongue for death, right?
- 52:41S2: The lips that are like a bubbling brook. Deep waters. That's.
- 52:46S2: That sounds a lot like speaking life, right?
- 52:49S3: Right. I mean, either you have encouragement or you're speaking love.
- 52:52S3: Or are you speaking hate, criticism and shame?
- 52:55S2: Exactly. So I think it's just important to look at
- 52:58S2: the context around. And there's a lot of other places
- 53:02S2: coming up. We will go to the book of James
- 53:06S2: that also talks about words about the tongue. It's described
- 53:10S2: as being like a fire. We'll go there coming up.
- 53:13S2: Death and life are in the power of the tongue.
- 53:16S2: That's not a Proverbs 1821. And we know because of
- 53:21S2: the context around it, that this is about how we
- 53:25S2: use our words, how we speak. Uh, this is not
- 53:30S2: a verse that should be utilized to assume that we
- 53:35S2: have some sort of creative power with our words. God has.
- 53:40S2: God can speak things into existence.
- 53:43S3: Absolutely. But only God.
- 53:45S2: And only God want to take you over to the
- 53:48S2: book of James. James three describes the tongue as being
- 53:52S2: like a fire. And verse seven it says, for every
- 53:55S2: kind of beast and bird of reptile and sea creature
- 53:58S2: can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, but
- 54:01S2: no human being can tame the tongue. It is a
- 54:04S2: restless evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless
- 54:08S2: our Lord and father, and with it we curse people
- 54:11S2: who were made in the likeness of God. Ouch! From
- 54:16S2: the same mouth come blessing and cursing my brothers. These
- 54:19S2: things ought not to be so. Does a spring pour
- 54:23S2: forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water?
- 54:27S2: Can a fig tree, my brother's bear olives or grapevine
- 54:30S2: produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water.
- 54:35S2: That is so convicting. From the same mouth. We bless
- 54:42S2: our Lord and father, and with it we curse people
- 54:45S2: who are made in the likeness of God. From the
- 54:47S2: same mouth come blessing and cursing my brothers things. These
- 54:51S2: things ought not to be so.
- 54:54S3: There it is.
- 54:55S2: Those words. Those words can bring death and they can
- 54:59S2: bring life. So when you hear somebody say, speak life,
- 55:04S2: the correct way to understand that is not that you
- 55:07S2: are speaking something into existence, but that you are using
- 55:11S2: your mouth to bring life by blessing people and not
- 55:16S2: cursing people.
- 55:17S3: And by doing that, you're bringing glory to God to
- 55:20S3: where it ultimately should land. Absolutely.
- 55:22S7: Hey, this is Carl with Carl and crew, and I'm
- 55:24S7: so grateful that you listened to this show cast. Thank
- 55:27S7: you mostly for being part of the boom crew as
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- 55:32S7: a huge encouragement to us. We'll be here again live
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