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Going Inside Eagles Front Office Moves, Early Training Camp Schedule · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on everybody?
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Mosher, Adam kaplan training camps here. It's Tuesday, players
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  are gonna report it's in the Novacare Complex. We're gonna
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  continue our series a little later in the week on
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  just the issues facing the team and the answers for
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  those issues. But Adam, with training camp starting today and
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  with the front office moves announced the night before, we're
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  gonna go through a little bit of that and also
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  describe the protocol for what the training camp is like
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  for the first few days.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like it used to be.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about that a little bit in the podcast
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  last time we did on how much has changed. But
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  so we'll kind of go through where the first few
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  days are like, the schedule and get into what people
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  should expect at least here for the first part of
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  training camp. But are you excited training camp? It's always good?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, yeah, yeah. Will be the first practice and
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  it'll be late the first five days of light. We
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  we'll go a little bit more detail. We actually got
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  the language so we could help folks understand what it
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  is and what it isn't. But I'll tell you what
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  there's some interesting front office moves, and we learned some
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  stuff from sources around the league who were plugged into
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  the Eagles, who gave us some good background and yeah,
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  it's uh, it's interesting. And I got to tell you though,
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  One thing I do want to mention is we did it.
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  We did it. Two chalk talks this week with Super
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  Bowl winning. It was quarterbacks coach John D. Filippo, I
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  gotta tell you, man, and he had some stuff with
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  Scott Leffler. It was phenomenal. I'm sure you heard the
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  story that the story he told about Scott was phenomenal, hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: I know what not next time I go to Ohio,
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  I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 3: You got it right right. But he came very close
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  to hiring Scott as his quarterbacks coach. Was either him
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  or Kevin O'Connell in twenty fifteen. Uh so he was
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  down with those two and then he chose O'Connell. And
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  Kevin's a pretty good head coach and play call and
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  all that. But yeah, so we've got another one, and
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  we've got another one for our Patreon members coming I
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  guess today, and that's the training camp one. We also
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  we had the OTA one and then we have a
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  training camp one and we've got a live stream on
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  Wednesday night. We'll go inside training camp, give you what happened,
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  only what happened what you need to know, but what
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  the first day look like, and whole lots of notes
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  and so forth. We had Our Lives live stream a
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  couple of weeks ago with Vinny Curry, which is phenomenal.
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  It was awesome. We got Greg co Sel coming up
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  in August at some point, can't wait for that. We
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  got discord Patreon dot com slash Inside of the Birds.
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  You got to become a member. Man, you're missing on
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  if you're a diehard Eagle fan who wants the inside skinny,
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  It's stuff you're not gonna get anywhere. Trust If you
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  don't believe us, ask anyone who's at live stream on Wednesday.
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  They know what I'm talking about. Frank Eddie, both Chris
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  and Judy, Al Travis, many others they know. They know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh listen, we got great feedback just on the John D.
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  Filippo one itself, the two parter that's up there. But
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  you can tell we get close to the season, you
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  and I get a little amped up and we start to,
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  you know, really ratchet things up. So having Vinnie Curry
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  do the last ask an Eagle was so awesome. People
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  loved There was so much love between the people are
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  Patreon members and Vinnie kind of reciprocating it.
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  Speaker 1: It was just really cool for.
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  Speaker 2: You and I have to just sit back there and
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  moderate it and let people see and ask the questions
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  and get answers.
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  Speaker 3: You know, wash story, we're getting close. The Washburn story
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  is worth repriceive emission. That's one of those that's all
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  gonna give you. The Washburn story is one of those
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  Alzheimer's like this didn't happen. Yes, it did happen. It's
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  a great story, nothing bad, but it's just funny. You
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  never know how things are gonna work out.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, there you go. All right, let's get into
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  the front office moves here.
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  Speaker 2: Adam says, you know, some of the big one was
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  one that got reported on and we discussed it when
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  it happened. But obviously we know that Joe Douglass is
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  coming back to the team. He's gonna be a senior
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  personnel director. We'll get into that in a second. But
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  there were obviously, you know, the Eagles lost a couple
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  of scouts as well, they lost, you know, their senior
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  director of college scouting, Anthony Patch to the Raiders. They
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  lost Brandon Hunt, who was in charge of scouting as.
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  Speaker 1: Well to the Raiders, lost to e LUs. There was
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  somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean these are actually not scouts. These are executives.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I should say executive.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: They're definitely scouts. Yeah, yeah, no, they they in fact,
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  some of their scouts got promoted. But yeah, no, you're right.
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  They lost Anthony Patch and Brandon Hunt to the Raiders.
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  And one thing, as we reported back in March, you know,
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  they they've had a big actually been last tw years.
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  We've been talking about it. They've had a big budget
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  cut and spending in terms of the scouting department and
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  also the non football ops. But football ops, they've done
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  it too. So some guys just are not going to
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  be replaced. That's just what they're doing. That's it's not
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  how I felt. It's he's got to do what he's
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  got to do. He's only have so much money in
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  their budget for scouting, and we'll see what happens. But
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  we told you about a couple of these. Ryan Myers,
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  nickname is Tiny, he's been with the Eagles. Actually Tom
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  Gamble brought him in, who was the eagles former personal director.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: So after Gamble left, Howie to his credit Kep Myers,
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  and he's been a West Coast scalt. He got promoted
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  a couple of years ago. Was assistant college director. Now
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  he is their college director, so good for him. Matt Holland,
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  who was their Midwest scout. He's actually had a couple
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  scouting areas, but Midwest was his last. He's there assistants
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  college director. Good for Matt.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Jared Kilbourne, who's was a college in pro scout, he's
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  now assistant director of pro scouting. I'm not familiar with
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  Terrence Bracton Braxton. He was a football opsin Intorney's now
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  a pro scout's good for him. That's a promotion. And
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  I mean, I'm Rod Streeter man. Here's how long I
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  fought Rod Streeter. I think he was at I think
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  the local pro days, the local you know, the college day,
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  you know for local players. He wasn't drafted, but actually
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  met him. I don't know the guy, but I met
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  him when he was with the Raiders, because you don't
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  when I go to NAPA. He went to Temp I
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  just wanted to talk to him a little bit. He's
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  he's worked his way up. He's he was an NFS scout.
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  Now we's go scout. I think actually talked about this
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  a month ago. That was the word that we were getting.
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  He was gonna be moved up. So that's good. It's
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  good how he recognizes these guys and promotes him in
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  Duke Tobin, whose DAT is the director of player Personnel
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  for the Bengals. And boy Duke got quoted a little bit.
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  I don't know if he saw it ye with the
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  contract machine for the first round pick. Oops, it shouldn't
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  have done that. But anyway, his son, Duke Tobin was
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  promoted from a scouting assistant to Midlands area scouts. So
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  good for those guys in the scouting department.
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  Speaker 1: I love that term Midlands, not Midwest, but the Midlands.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have to get a clarification of
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  it why they call it Midlands and how that might
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  differ from Midwest.
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  Speaker 1: But that's fine, you know.
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  Speaker 3: What, that's a great That's what I'm thinking, Like, I
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  don't remember them actually calling it Midlands, so is it?
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  You know what, now you're gonna make me look up.
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  Speaker 2: What's I I suspect that you know they they're scouting
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  regions are different than sometimes how you know, non sports
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  people view regions. For example, Pennsylvania can be a Northeast
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  for some it could be sort of part of the
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  Midwest because Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they I know.
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  Speaker 2: Some teams cut states in half so that it's not
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  always the quote unquote region it's you get like like,
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  for example, I'll give you a good example southwest. Right,
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  there are parts of Texas that are considered the west
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  or the southwest scout, but there's eastern parts of Texas
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  that'll be the southeast scout. So they'll take a state
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  and divide it in half, so it doesn't always fit
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  the correct region.
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  Speaker 1: Like the way we learned regions are so midlands.
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  Speaker 2: I might just I would imagine that the Plains states
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  would fall in there like the Dakota's, but maybe not
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  say Ohio, Ohio might be part of the northeast, or
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  the eastern part of the state like Ohio State or
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  Cleveland schools might fall into the north East area potentially.
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  So I don't want to I don't want to speak
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  for the Eagles. I'm just saying I know that certain
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  teams define regions differently, and I.
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  Speaker 3: Think what how he's done over the years, Like like
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  Ryan Myers, he still was their West Coast scout, plus
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  he was assistant scouting director. So Matt Holland still may
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  be as assistant scouting college director. Still having the Midwest
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  area because they don't have a Midwest scout technically anymore
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  with the title, but just the way they've done it
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  for years on our Holley, that's pretty much I would
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  I would bet that Matt Hollands still has the Midwest.
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  And on your point, then you've got the Midland scout,
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  which is Duke Tobin. They don't well, I mean if
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  you just look at area scouts, they don't have a
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  lot of them. But again, some guys have a dual role.
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  Matt Holland. As we just talked about Ben Ajelan. It's
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  pretty cool though. Ben Ajelana played at Villanova, yep, who
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  is in the league as an offensive linean. The's a
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  Northeast scout which he got a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I saw him a couple of times on the circuit.
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  I saw him.
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  Speaker 2: Was he at the Della one, the Temple one, I
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  mean the likes of Delaware falls in that northeastern bracket.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I saw him at the Delaware one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, So so to move this along here, yeah, they're not.
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  Something that's been new is that they're just not filling
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  a lot of holes. Now we'll get to Joe Douglas soon,
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  but some of these got like some of the they've
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  got Matt Russell to do some stuff still, Dave Colwell
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  still there, so these guys could also take on some
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  extra responsiblit if they need him to. And obviously Joe
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  Douglas who's moved back to the areas we understand it
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  as we talk. We'll talk about him now. So his
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  title is Senior Personnel Director, advisor to Howie, the general manager.
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  So what we understand is the Eagles really stepped it
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  up to make sure they got him, whether it's money
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  or making sure like they they when they're allowed to
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  contact them, they contact like this was done rather quickly,
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  like they they they were on this, like they wanted
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  him back in the building. Despite any rumors that him
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  and Howie weren't weren't closer, did in well, that's totally
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  false that actually they kept in touch and they still
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  had a really good relationship. So good for Joe to
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  come back. And because he note because he as you know,
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  he became a general manager and before that he was
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  a personal out director try to learn the pro game.
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  So now the great thing for how he is it's
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  whatever how he needs him to do. He can do
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  pro or college or both. That that that's helpful with
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  all these people Jeff who've left.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think there's a lot of asset
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  that he brings back, not only in scouting, but remember
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  he brought in some really good personnel from Baltimore where
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  he cut his teeth as a scout coming up before
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  he came to the Eagles, right. He brought Ian Cunningham
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  to the organization. He brought Andy Widel to the organization.
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  These are two assistant gms right now. Did he bring
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  Catherine Rage. I can't remember if.
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  Speaker 1: He did or did not, but either way he did, Ye,
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  yes he did.
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  Speaker 2: So he brought some pretty successful people into the organization.
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  So I think just having that also for Howie there
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  just another I mean, I think it.
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  Speaker 1: Was smart for the Eagles to step it up.
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  Speaker 2: You can image that while most gms, whether it's Mike mccagnan,
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  or John Izick from the Jets may have struggled after
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  Joe Douglas came from too much success both with the
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  Ravens and the Eagles for me to think that he
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  was not going to be wanted. I'm sure he was
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  a wanted guy out there. So that was good on
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  the Eagles to step them up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and understand with Joe Douglas. Look, it's hard to
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  win with the Jets. I'm not saying he did a
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  great job, but yes, he missed on Zach Wilson, we
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  get that. But he also had the draft with Brees Hall,
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  Sauce Gardner, Jermaine Johnson. You could go through the picks
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  that he absolutely nailed. Nobody gets him, all right, you know,
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  nobody gets him all right. But he was very valued
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  here to come back, and good for the Eagles to
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  do that. And I'll tell you what, this is a
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  really interesting hire in football operations. Okay, I don't know how.
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  I don't know how to say his last name. It
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  might his first name might be some meat mm hm.
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  He's hired as a qualitative analyst. But he was part
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  of the team that the when the NFL's big data
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  ball and you could actually read is. I actually took
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  a look at it a couple of days ago. It's
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  his his report that he turned in his exposing coverage
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  tells in the pre snap phase doesn't work for the Phillies.
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  So that's kind of cool man that that, you know what,
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  because because data guys get all that, all you know
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  is numbers. But if you could get data tells and
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  pre snap, hey, that's interesting. So good good for him.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 3: He was a new hire Grant Writers Hires Football Transactions
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  coordinator Molly Rottinghouses added as football operations coordinate. My understanding
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  is she replaced somebody else he left the organization or
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  footbops and Leaf Thorston. If anybody knows who Leaf is,
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  I guess it's a he software defeated.
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  Speaker 1: Not conquer some Scandinavian land.
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  Speaker 3: Yea, Garrett, you know for those fifty but look good good, hey,
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  listen again, there's could be opportunity. And then in football persons,
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  I want to mention these because these guys were promoted.
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  So James Gilman, who's been there for a little bit.
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  He was he was director of Football Analytics, now senior
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  director of Football Research and Strategy. And by the way,
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  that's what Alec Halby had many years ago, so that's
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  what you should remember. That name. James Gilman, John Leo
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  l i U director, he's now director Football Analytics. He
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  was assistant director of foot Palytics. And Zach Stever who
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  was their quantitative analysts. He's now assistant director of Football
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  Research and Strategy. Data. Eagles do great, a great job
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  with data. We we've talked about the the all the
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  numbers before the draft and what they use, the RAS
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  scorers and all that stuff. They have a very good
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  success in that stuff, so you can't knock it. And
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  it's a big deal. So good for them. And yeah,
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  we went over the new hires and look there. The
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  thing is, because of all these people leaving, there's going
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  to be opportunity for people to prove themselves. And you
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  know Howie has recognized you know, Ryan Myers, Matt Holland
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  who's been with the Eagles for several years, and Duke
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  Tobin junior is very young guy. Rod Steward obviously, didn't
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  you know he retired not too long ago. So these
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  guys are getting recognized and good for them.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, by the way, the Mally rotting House addition, she
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  is the football.
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  Speaker 3: What was the term again, coordinator?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: If this is the same Molly rotten House that I
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  think it is. She was a football she was like
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  a coach and a recruiting specialist at Wisconsin like university. Correct, Yes,
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  and he also worked at Bowling Green. I think when
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  Scott Leftflert that.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know is that right? See, I didn't I
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  heard Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, that's operations intern And I think she might be
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  from Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: And funny, when I was at Penn.
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  Speaker 2: State they had a really good volleyball player named Heidi
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  rotting House, and I wonder if they are related.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to dig into that now I was
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  at Penn State. No, it can't be.
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  Speaker 3: This might be our daughter because I was last name. Yeah,
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  I mean, I mean the head be the same family,
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  cousin or whatever. Daughter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So interesting stuff. They're really very very interesting. Hire
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  to look out there, Leaf Thorson. I'm going to have
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  fun with that one for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Leaf Dorson, right, right, right, So so we'll see. Well,
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  you know, you can't keep losing people. It's just and
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  I know where the Eagles used to block a lot
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  of people they're not blocking many people anymore. It's heard
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  the same, heard the same. Yeah, So that's the word
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  around the league and personnel people have told us that
• 15:22
  they're they're for whatever reason, it's not totally clear, but
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  they're they're not blocking people. So right, it is what
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  it is. But we'll see how they do. But you
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  know how, he's been drafted real well twenty one on
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  and but you know what, if you keep losing really
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  good people, it could catch up to you. So let's
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  hope that you can keep these people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you said that. So to sort of
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  put a bow in this.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was good of them to make Ryan
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  Meyers Tiny, who is not tiny, but that's nickname, uh,
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  the director of college scouting, because he that's sort of
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  like the next move for him. He worked under I
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  guess Anthony Patch and some other guys for quite a
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  while and he deserved that. And Matt Holland's been with
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  the organization for a while, so this was the natural,
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  logical next step. Jared Kilburn has been with the team
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  for a couple of years as well too, as well
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  as Streeter and Tobin. But I think for Myers and
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  Holland especially. It's good because it keeps that continuity. They've
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  worked with Howie now, they've worked with Nick for many years.
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  They know what the coaching staff wants. The coaching staff
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  can talk to them, and that's always good. If you
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  have too many guys coming in and coming out, it
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  could cause a little bit of like that learning period
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  that you don't want.
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  Speaker 1: You want everybody on the same page.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Myers also worked in one of the minor leagues.
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  It was I'm talking like before he came there, he
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  was he worked with the Niners, and then before that
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  he worked in like one of those like UFL type
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  leagues that folded. So yeah, he's he's been around a
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  long time.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's shift our focus to the Eagles training camp.
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  Obviously again begins today. Everybody's got a report and then
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  practices begin start on Wednesday. Before we get into that,
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  at Westchester, PA and go into sky Motor Cars, you
• 17:38
  tell them Adam and just sent you.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: You will walk out of.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: There with a great deal, a beautiful new car, or
• 17:43
  maybe you've traded in a car and got the money
• 17:46
  you were looking for. It doesn't matter. There's great inventory,
• 17:49
  great customer service. If you want to check out the
• 17:51
  website first just to see what they God's a great
• 17:53
  idea of skymotor Cars dot com. But you can really
• 17:56
  benefit from the on hand of experience of going in
• 17:59
  and getting the met Brett Shoulder and his great staff
• 18:01
  just like a lot of eagles do.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: All right, So treat yourself, reward yourself for.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: The best car shopping experience there is out there sky
• 18:08
  Motor Cars, all right. The camp schedule, So the big
• 18:14
  thing is Adam, and this has been a couple of
• 18:16
  years now, is that there's this sort of ramp up
• 18:19
  acceleration period. I know, people get excited for the first
• 18:22
  day and then you know, you and I come into
• 18:24
  a pot and be like, yeah, the first practice was
• 18:26
  like forty five minutes and fifteen of it was stretching, right. So,
• 18:30
  but that's the way it works now in the NFL.
• 18:32
  It's it's a big part of how teams operate. The
• 18:34
  Eagles aren't the only one. And ramping up to that
• 18:38
  point where you want to get into pads, which might
• 18:41
  be the following week, is is really what they've found
• 18:43
  for the bodies?
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep. As we talked about it on the last show,
• 18:47
  and we'll we'll go further with it. Jeff Miller, who
• 18:52
  oversees health and safety, I've talked to Jeff several times
• 18:54
  about this. They get data from every team and they
• 18:58
  collect it on terms of injuries, when they happen, what
• 19:01
  it is, and how it happened. And their data showed
• 19:04
  it's very simple. The first week the players back are
• 19:07
  when they have the most injuries, strains and sprains, particularly
• 19:11
  strains because of the heat and sure they may be
• 19:15
  working out of their own. But they're working out on
• 19:17
  their own and they're not being they're not they don't
• 19:19
  have if they don't have a personal trainer, if they're
• 19:22
  not doing it the way the Eagles do it, it's not
• 19:24
  going to be quite as good. So they added these
• 19:27
  rules in recent years. There's no life tackling, no no blocking.
• 19:34
  In those first five days, there's only certain things you
• 19:36
  could do when I blocking. There's certain things you can
• 19:38
  do with blocking, but you can't engage. You'll see. And
• 19:42
  then once you get past that five days, then then
• 19:44
  it gets hot, then it get then then there it's
• 19:47
  pretty much anything goes. And the thing is you can't
• 19:51
  practice for more than three days in a row. And
• 19:54
  you'll see the first week when we talked about the schedule.
• 19:57
  So Wednesday ten am, Thursday ten am walk through, Friday, Saturday,
• 20:02
  Yes they're practicing three days, but not three in a row.
• 20:05
  You practice Saturday at ten am, Sunday off and then
• 20:10
  they have the first full week of practices in week
• 20:13
  two Monday Tuesday at ten am Wednesday walk through. Everything
• 20:17
  by the way is at no overcare and by the way.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Through are closed. Just to let people know. Walk throughs
• 20:22
  are close to the media.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Right exactly, it's not really I know it's a it's
• 20:27
  the way that I understand is I've actually been to
• 20:29
  one A couple of teams led the media to watch them.
• 20:32
  It's a it's it's it's it's a brisk walk or
• 20:35
  jog through. You're running over certain plays. But it's really
• 20:39
  out of practice. Not I don't call it a practice,
• 20:41
  but it's it's a job through. You're mentally they're challenging
• 20:43
  you to make sure in the right spot. And its Syrian.
• 20:44
  It's talked about it. He wants to make sure players
• 20:46
  know where they're supposed to be. So next week it's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
• 20:50
  walk through, Thursday, Friday, practice, Saturday off again. Noe're they're
• 20:55
  not practicing three days in a row yet, so they're
• 20:59
  off Setaturday. That next Saturday, Sunday they practice. Then that
• 21:05
  week three is the first week of the preseason where
• 21:07
  they host the Bengals. So they were actually practice three
• 21:11
  days in a row because they're practicing Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday,
• 21:15
  walk through, Wednesday, obviously Thursday home game. So you see
• 21:19
  the way that they do it now. Part of it
• 21:22
  is because they feel that the NFL feels that because
• 21:26
  it's so hot in July. Pretty much no matter where
• 21:29
  you are, except for Seattle. I've been there several times.
• 21:33
  They practice off of a lake. It does get humid,
• 21:36
  but it's rarely over eighty, but it does get humid.
• 21:40
  Santa Clara can get in the low eighties but doesn't
• 21:43
  get human, but it does get hot high seventies, low eighties,
• 21:46
  and where the Niners practice. So what happens is early
• 21:49
  on they focus on fundamentals conditioning, a lot of individual drills,
• 21:55
  sort of like seven on seven, but it's basically an
• 21:58
  extension out of OTAs, and they really want to focus
• 22:02
  on the players condition because they got to see what
• 22:04
  the first Remember they've been off five or six weeks.
• 22:06
  They haven't seen them. They're not allowed to do anything
• 22:08
  with them. And this is injury prevention. They just the
• 22:11
  worst thing is when you have these ligor and hamstring
• 22:13
  or coinstrains and they don't go away, and it sucks
• 22:17
  for younger players. First or second, youar players can't have this,
• 22:19
  they need the work.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I agree with you, although I did after we went
• 22:23
  and covered the joint practice in Miami a couple of
• 22:26
  years ago. I stopped feeling sorry for anybody. That was
• 22:29
  the hottest that I've ever been in my entire life.
• 22:33
  I've been standing next to a fireplace, all right.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: So twenty eleven lockout. Coming off of it, I stupidly
• 22:41
  visited the Texans. How dumb am I in early August,
• 22:46
  knowing that they set the national record for most consecutive
• 22:49
  days of over one hundred. I just so dumb. So
• 22:52
  you know it's bad when they said to bring two
• 22:54
  T shirts for two shirts and bring a taalafe, have one, dude, Okay,
• 22:59
  so you just now, I've been to Jacksonville, that swampland
• 23:01
  in the summer. It's bad. It's the worst humidity in
• 23:04
  the country. But the Texas heat and then and then
• 23:06
  if you you all know this, if you live in Texas,
• 23:08
  San Antonio or Houston, Austin, whatever. But it was so
• 23:12
  bad it was unbearable, and I learned my lesson, never
• 23:16
  go there if you don't have to.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: In August I worked with a guy at Wilmington, Kevin Noonan.
• 23:20
  You remember him, Kevin, make him a columnists. We both
• 23:23
  had to go out to Houston in September when the
• 23:26
  Eagles played the first they played week one there. I
• 23:28
  can't think it was two thousand and seven, eight, okay,
• 23:31
  And it was my first time to Houston. Oh and
• 23:34
  I in that in that month, no, first time in
• 23:36
  Houston general. I had been to Dallas, I think, the
• 23:38
  first time in Houston in September. And I said to Kevin,
• 23:41
  is it humid in Houston? And he looked at me,
• 23:45
  you know, like the way an old sage writer would
• 23:46
  look at a young kid who's stupid and go, Houston
• 23:49
  invented humidity.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, greatty much.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Now Jacksonville, Yeah, that's funny that Houston.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean Relorida though, you get that breeze
• 24:00
  a little bit.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville, Dude in swampy.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: It's near Unifi, Florida. In Gainesville. Man, it's brutal. At
• 24:08
  least they built now in Tampa they have and now
• 24:11
  Jackson the Jaguars also they have their indoor facilities so
• 24:13
  when it rains, and by the way, they get a
• 24:15
  ton of rain near the pop up storms like we get.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: But actually it's funny because the dolphins were practicing there
• 24:23
  for one of the joint practices and uh, it rained,
• 24:27
  so they brought it in and it's really tough to
• 24:29
  practice indoors with two teams. It's just hard. Yeah, just hard,
• 24:33
  you know. So it's just really not made these practice facilities,
• 24:36
  as you know, because you've been in the practice bubble
• 24:38
  and never care. It's terrible. It's too small.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not good, all right.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So to your to your point to put a real
• 24:45
  emphasis on the point you're making. For three weeks, that
• 24:48
  seems like a lot of practices, but it's only about five, six, seven, eight,
• 24:53
  not like ten, ten practices before the first game, that
• 24:57
  Thursday night game against the Bengal, So that's really not
• 25:01
  a whole lot. But as you know, sometimes one or
• 25:03
  two practices at and feels like an eternity because we
• 25:06
  could we we've done pods, hour and a half pods
• 25:09
  off everything we saw one practice.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So I look forward.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well i'll be there Thursday, by the way.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I will be there Saturday and hopefully on Wednesday. We'll
• 25:17
  see what if my schedule allows it, but we'll have
• 25:18
  it doesn't matter, we'll have we'll have what everyone whatever,
• 25:21
  everyone needs to know, they'll know it. Trust me, absolutely no.
• 25:24
  Because now the one thing I would tell you, and
• 25:27
  I've mentioned this before, I I do things differently than
• 25:30
  other reporters. I go and look at physical conditioning. I
• 25:33
  want to see what kind of shape they're in, like
• 25:34
  we we reported. Uh, I don't know. Three years when
• 25:37
  my lot was told to lose weight and he was
• 25:39
  like four O two something like that and an ota
• 25:42
  they told him to lose weight. He lost weight. He
• 25:44
  look great because I remember being there and I remember
• 25:46
  thinking and O, but he looks heavy. But I had
• 25:48
  no idea, no way, I sound like I'm weighing him.
• 25:51
  But then I saw Miles Sanders when he was ripped physically,
• 25:55
  like there was a year he had his best year.
• 25:57
  It just happened. I saw May. I'm like, all right,
• 26:00
  see in training camp he looks so good and he was.
• 26:03
  He looked good because you know he ate an injury history.
• 26:05
  That's enough matters, man. I learned that from a coach
• 26:08
  to look for that stuff many years ago. When I
• 26:10
  go on my tour, I look for that stuff. And
• 26:14
  I know we've mentioned this before that while the practices
• 26:18
  are light, it's not about how long they practice. It's
• 26:21
  actually about what they do. I don't care how long
• 26:22
  they practice for. I want to see what they do actually,
• 26:26
  so and I mentioned this with Isaiah Rodgers. Yes, the
• 26:28
  practices were late when Rogers has been out Ringo last summer,
• 26:33
  but you could see in less those drills. I mean
• 26:37
  they weren't wearing pads or anything, but whatever they were
• 26:39
  allowed to do like Rogers was clearly ahead. And even
• 26:44
  if Ringo took the like, I know some reports, oh
• 26:47
  this guy had the first step. So what it's pay
• 26:50
  attention to rotations, to how they rotate, in how they're coached,
• 26:57
  how they're coach, Right, Bobby King, we learned valuable lesson
• 27:00
  might be the best inside backers coaching football.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know one who gets You can see, and
• 27:05
  you're not supposed to report what said or if someone's admonished,
• 27:08
  but sure you can see when a guy is spending
• 27:10
  a lot of time with one person as opposed to another,
• 27:14
  where if you feel like he's coaching somebody up a
• 27:16
  lot more than he has to than the other guy.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: All right, what you just said, and I'm going to
• 27:19
  help some folks who get to go to overkare. We're
• 27:21
  gonna give you a little inside football. It's called is he
• 27:23
  a high rep player? High or a high rep guy?
• 27:26
  That means it's a guy who needs additional reps because
• 27:29
  he's not getting it where they're not happy, where they
• 27:32
  decide that they're not going to kick him off the
• 27:34
  field or something. Getting back to the line, they go, hey,
• 27:36
  stay in there, run it again. Because the guy wouldn't
• 27:38
  getting it. It's called a high rep guy. Yep. That's
• 27:41
  an inside football coaching note that it goes on in
• 27:44
  every camp. Not every rookie's going to get it. Doesn't
• 27:46
  mean he's dumb, right, It's just that he needs extra reps.
• 27:50
  That's all I mean. So look, it happens. It happens
• 27:53
  on both sides of the football. And I could tell
• 27:55
  you I could see it in front of me when
• 27:57
  Jeremy Macklin was a rookie and maclenn didn't run the
• 28:01
  right route and he got on him. And I mean
• 28:02
  he got on him.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yep. He had he had a tough training camp.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And Jeremy turned out to be a really good player.
• 28:08
  I think he was coaching on high school.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: He had had some drops. I mean he didn't really drops.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yesunt return he was such a good explosive punt returner
• 28:15
  in college and did not translate to the NFL for
• 28:18
  whatever reason.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: At least not early on in his career.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: And yeah, but no, but you're right, he straightened it
• 28:22
  out and got himself. He was a smart, intelligent kid.
• 28:24
  He's a really mature kid, Macklin. But yeah, it just
• 28:27
  took him a little extra time.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Watch the route run and watch the timing with the quarterbacks.
• 28:32
  That that to me because uh, like, I'll be I
• 28:34
  want to see Kyle McCord. I know he doesn't have
• 28:36
  a gun. We knew this going in, but he said
• 28:39
  timing a rhythm type quarterback. I want to see how
• 28:41
  comes out of his hand. Look, he looked good in
• 28:42
  no tas, but that's double a baseball. I want to
• 28:45
  see when it really counts in training camp, when everybody's there.
• 28:49
  I know he's gonna be running with a third team,
• 28:51
  but you know what, Hey, these are the kind of
• 28:53
  guys you're going to be growing up with in the league.
• 28:55
  This year. You got you got to get the job done,
• 28:57
  you know. So I'm looking forward to that. There are
• 28:59
  just certain things and all these tight andswer seven of them.
• 29:03
  That's a good battle man for that backup jet. The
• 29:05
  backup job is wide open behind Goddard.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: That I'm very interesting to see how that develops. It
• 29:11
  like Harshon Bryant's more talent than all of them. But
• 29:14
  Arshon Bryant, Look, the guy didn't stuck. He didn't stick
• 29:17
  with the Browns and the Raiders. That you gotta point
• 29:19
  that out, that that match.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: No, it's like one of those witches got to give
• 29:23
  is the players of the two organizations right now is
• 29:26
  finding out YEA.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: By the way, Andrew Decheko has been doing it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: He is doing his pre camp fifty three offensive defense
• 29:33
  and make sure you're checking that out on the checko daily.
• 29:36
  I will tell you his picks at tight end. We're fascinating.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I haven't heard yet. I am out,
• 29:42
  But wait, is he keeping three?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not telling you. I'm not.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: You have to all right.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Inside the Verse.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Next time you hear from us, we will finish off
• 29:53
  that issues and answer series and then we will be
• 29:56
  right toward Eagles training camp, practices and observations. That's gonna
• 30:00
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