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#154 - Post-election recounts, negotiations + power negotiations · Political Capital with Rob Shaw

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  Speaker 1: Check podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, and welcome to Political Capital, your source for
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  Speaker 2: all the latest and BC politics. It is our post
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  Speaker 2: election edition, but going to urge you to check out
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  Speaker 2: our audio podcast feed where we had a special emergency
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  Speaker 2: episode where we broke down the BC election campaign in detail,
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  Speaker 2: with Panel being there giving all of their thoughts. Things
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  Speaker 2: are moving so quickly that we are going to move
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  Speaker 2: on to the post post election discussion. In the ever
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  Speaker 2: moving river, rapid flowing river of BC politics, we are
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  Speaker 2: now talking about recounts. We're talking about elections, BC permutations, negotiations,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what we're going to focus on with today's show.
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  Speaker 2: So let's bring in the pod squad, Ali Blades, Jeff Ferrier,
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  Speaker 2: Jillian Oliver. Is that we're all here to to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the never ending we see election. Maybe I'm just
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  Speaker 2: reminiscing in the old days, but this thing used to
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  Speaker 2: be over on election nights and now we are in
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  Speaker 2: possibly a two week, three week, four week process of
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  Speaker 2: recounts negotiations. Let's just start where we are right now. Ali,
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  Speaker 2: how much uncertainty is there as we head into and
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  Speaker 2: we're recording on October twenty fifth, the friday, as we
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  Speaker 2: head into a weekend of recounts and final counts and
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  Speaker 2: top level what should people be taking away from where
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  Speaker 2: we are in this process right now?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it funny to think about that the Saskatchwan election,
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  Speaker 1: which is their E day is on Monday, could know
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  Speaker 1: their results faster than us and we had our e
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  Speaker 1: day on the nineteenth. Something to put into perspective. Essentially,
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  Speaker 1: where we're at right now is these critical days of
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  Speaker 1: the twenty sixth to the twenty eighth, where the final
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  Speaker 1: recount happens and then we can figure out what the
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  Speaker 1: final numbers are in the legislature. Been some fun things
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  Speaker 1: throughout the week where there have been candidates who have
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  Speaker 1: requested recounts and they were denied by elections b C
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean really what we're aiming for for
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  Speaker 1: an answer on Monday is just what is that final
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  Speaker 1: count because then we go into phase two of our
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  Speaker 1: weird political process of which political party then has the most.
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  Speaker 2: In order to govern? Oh, it never ends. But there
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  Speaker 2: are not just the two ridings Julian that are actually recounted.
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  Speaker 2: We have wanderfuken malahat where I think the twenty three vote.
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  Speaker 2: This is all going to change twenty three vote margin
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  Speaker 2: for the NDP and Surrey City Center a ninety five
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  Speaker 2: vote margin for the NDIP. But there's also like eight
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  Speaker 2: to nine other ridings where the margin is under five
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  Speaker 2: hundred votes all over the place. How much do we
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  Speaker 2: think it might change given all of the different things
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  Speaker 2: that would be happening this weekend, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Really hard to tell. I mean, there's been lots of
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  Speaker 3: attempts to read the tea leaves trying to figure out
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  Speaker 3: what those mail in ballots, what those mail in ballots
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  Speaker 3: might look like, if they favor one party or the other.
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  Speaker 3: There's evidence that in the past they've tended to favor
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  Speaker 3: the NDP, like in the Courtney Comocks recount that happened
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  Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. But there's also evidence that they favor
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  Speaker 3: other parties, like the BC Liberals who flipped with NC
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  Speaker 3: the sky after the initial account in twenty twenty. So
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  Speaker 3: we don't really know. We could see nothing change. If
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  Speaker 3: that holds, then that means it's probably an NDP minority.
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  Speaker 3: We could see one flip, we could see two flip.
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  Speaker 3: We could see some flip to NDP and some flip
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  Speaker 3: to Conservative. There's really no way to know. For certain,
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  Speaker 3: and so the parties are all preparing for multiple scenarios.
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  Speaker 3: There's like five or six different ways this could go,
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  Speaker 3: not just one or two. So it is stressful for
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  Speaker 3: them and also for voters. And it sure would be
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  Speaker 3: nice if we had been able to do this recount sooner.
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  Speaker 3: Not sure if that has been possible, but it seems
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  Speaker 3: like we didn't need this kind of purgatory time.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff, Elections BC. How do we think they have done?
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  Speaker 2: Because we're sort of in a scenario now where we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about numbers on spreadsheets and people are going to
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  Speaker 2: spend their weekend refreshing websites looking for different number changes
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  Speaker 2: and different things. How do you And plus we have
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  Speaker 2: the issue of what was supposed to be I think
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  Speaker 2: forty some one thousand mailing and absentee balance that we're
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  Speaker 2: going to be counted in the final count across ninety
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  Speaker 2: three ritings jump up to sixty five thousand, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if we've heard a really good explanation from
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  Speaker 2: Elections BC on that. How do you think the agency
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  Speaker 2: is doing in our time of heightened voter worry about
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  Speaker 2: electoral integrity?
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  Speaker 4: I know this is a a BC politics trope but
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  Speaker 4: it's a dumpster fire over at Elections BC. Is my take.
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  Speaker 4: I'm wearing this military sweater today because despite Elections BC
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  Speaker 4: promising this would be the quickest election results BC would
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  Speaker 4: ever see, we're still in the election, still happening. It
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  Speaker 4: was supposed to be over Saturday, and we're taping this
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  Speaker 4: on Friday and it's still election day. How did this happen?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. They thought, you know, they brought us
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  Speaker 4: to tabulators, Thank god for the tabulators're gonna get us
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  Speaker 4: all the results. But then they decided, okay, well, after
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  Speaker 4: we've done that tabulating, we're gonna just not count anything
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  Speaker 4: else for a week, and then we're gonna start counting
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  Speaker 4: these mail in ballots. Initially there were forty nine thousand.
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  Speaker 4: Now there's miraculously sixty five thousand, with no explanation of
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  Speaker 4: where these additional ballots came from. Way to inspire confidence
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  Speaker 4: in the vote. They're gonna do it over the weekend
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  Speaker 4: and I do it like Saturday and so day, and
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  Speaker 4: they're not going to They're not going to you know,
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  Speaker 4: announce it the results at an announcement. They're going to
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  Speaker 4: leave it to the tier. They're going to announce it
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  Speaker 4: on a spreadsheet, an online spreadsheet. My view is that
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  Speaker 4: who forms government is far too consequential to be left
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  Speaker 4: to the tyranny of an online spreadsheet. This is sheer ineptitude.
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  Speaker 4: They got a chief electoral officer who's making four hundred
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  Speaker 4: thousand dollars a year, and we're getting what we're supposed
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  Speaker 4: to be getting is neat, antiseptic reporting. We're getting delayed counting,
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  Speaker 4: and they continue to do nothing to foster voter engagement.
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  Speaker 4: Rob you've written about this, you know, contrasting it with
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  Speaker 4: the United Kingdom, where election results on folding town halls
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  Speaker 4: with all candidates assembled and playing site, a living theater
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  Speaker 4: of democracy, promotes engagement, promotes involvement in democracy. Here we
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  Speaker 4: get candidates who, as as you've written, hide in private
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  Speaker 4: bubbles while voters hit refresh on lifeless spreadsheets, efficient supposedly
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  Speaker 4: but soulless, devoid of meaning. These elections should stir civic life,
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  Speaker 4: not reduce it to a data dump. And that's where
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  Speaker 4: we're at today. Way to Go Elections BC.
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  Speaker 2: It is a mistaken sort of transparency, the data dump.
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  Speaker 2: Like someone's making an argument that because there's a giant spreadsheet,
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  Speaker 2: you're getting more information. But you're really overwhelmed with ninety
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  Speaker 2: three ridings of random numbers refreshed multiple times a day.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you're running your own, you know, excels formula, you
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  Speaker 2: have no idea what's going on, and nobody really tells
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  Speaker 2: you when it's done, or if it's done, or if
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  Speaker 2: that's complete, or it's just it's it's bizarre. Let's assume
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  Speaker 2: for a second some scenarios here my sort of calculations
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  Speaker 2: when I was thinking out that we need to have
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  Speaker 2: at least a couple of ridings change in order. Let
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  Speaker 2: me pull my piece of paper out here. We've got
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  Speaker 2: many pieces of paper that will calculate the outcomes here,
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  Speaker 2: but you're going to need to have several ridings change
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  Speaker 2: in order for the Here we go, we'll just look
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  Speaker 2: at this. If the NDP want a clear majority, free
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  Speaker 2: the Greens, right, no negotiations we're going to talk about next.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to need to hold the two ridings that
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  Speaker 2: are being recounted, which they currently have, and win two
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  Speaker 2: more ridings in the final ballot count mail and so
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  Speaker 2: we'll have to take them from the Conservatives, which would
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  Speaker 2: be a big change for the Conservatives to get a
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  Speaker 2: chance to govern, they need to flip the two recount
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  Speaker 2: ridings or another two ridings and they could then technically
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  Speaker 2: bring the NDP and Greens down in a confidence vote.
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  Speaker 2: But by the time they form government and they put
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  Speaker 2: a speaker in, they'd be breaking a tie with the
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  Speaker 2: speaker every time. And we've talked before about how that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of anarchy. So like it's still fluid. There's a
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  Speaker 2: couple ridings here in play for both parties and suddenly
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  Speaker 2: we're into quasi majority territory. Does that should we be
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  Speaker 2: looking for that? Should we be talking about negotiations? Is
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  Speaker 2: should we be talking about another election? Does any of
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  Speaker 2: this seem functional? Or how do we sort of frame
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  Speaker 2: where we're at? Jillian, what do you think people should
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  Speaker 2: take away from that? It kind of feels like we
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  Speaker 2: might be heading to another election, But maybe that's just me.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe no one wants that and the parties don't want that,
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  Speaker 2: and that's that's not the thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Anything could happen right now. And I've learned to not
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  Speaker 3: try to hang my hopes on anything because I was
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  Speaker 3: the campaign director in twenty twenty when we thought we
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  Speaker 3: had one West fancy this guy and it was our
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  Speaker 3: first big breakthrough off the island, and we turned out
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  Speaker 3: that we didn't actually win that seat, and so we
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  Speaker 3: really don't know. Like it's really it's it's tough, but
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  Speaker 3: it really is just a waiting game. And I think
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  Speaker 3: you're right if I think if the seats, if any
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  Speaker 3: seats flip to the Conservatives, but not enough to give
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  Speaker 3: them their own majority, which would be forty eight, so
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  Speaker 3: they have to flip three seems unlikely but could happen
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  Speaker 3: if there's a big bias in the mail in ballots
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  Speaker 3: for them, that then you know, we won't get another election.
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  Speaker 3: But if only one or two flip to the Conservatives,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're probably right. But because of the way
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  Speaker 3: our system works, because the NDP is the incumbent government,
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  Speaker 3: they get the chance to recall the House. They get
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  Speaker 3: they can elect a speaker, they can you know, they
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  Speaker 3: can force a confidence vote, they can kind of doom
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  Speaker 3: maneuvers to set themselves up politically and kind of rag
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  Speaker 3: the puck for a while. They can they also don't
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  Speaker 3: have to recall the House right away. They can ask
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  Speaker 3: for another election. So there's a lot of maneuvering that
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  Speaker 3: can take place if we stay in that sort of
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  Speaker 3: difficult seat math where the Conservatives just flip one or two.
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  Speaker 3: But I think you're right. In that scenario, the chances
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  Speaker 3: that we're going to another election in the next few
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  Speaker 3: months seem higher. But probably I would I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: so hard to think all this through, but I would
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  Speaker 3: think that the NDP might want to kind of put
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  Speaker 3: a little space between now and when that happens, even
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  Speaker 3: if it is inevitable.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Ali do like I think Jillian makes an interesting
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  Speaker 2: point there. Does NDP want another election? Does anyone want
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  Speaker 2: another election? All the parties to spend millions of dollars?
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  Speaker 2: The electorate is fatigued when we start looking at these
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  Speaker 2: negotiations and the idea of people taking brinksmanship and negotiations
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  Speaker 2: and who holds the balance of power? Does anyone really
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  Speaker 2: hold enough balance to send us to another election? Does
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  Speaker 2: anyone want that? Would that be a good idea? Is
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  Speaker 2: that the kind of is that even on the table?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think I wouldn't even be able to No
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  Speaker 1: one will be able to even predict what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: What we can analyze is just the behavior of each
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  Speaker 1: party this week, and that might give us some clues
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  Speaker 1: as to what their preference is moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: We'll go through that. Then, what did you think of
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  Speaker 2: the behavior Sonia First Know? For example, she had a
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  Speaker 2: press conference, and what did you think of that? I
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  Speaker 2: have some notes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked this question. So I've been
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  Speaker 1: Sonia First to Know has always gained the respect of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people across partisan lines. This week, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that she did that with me. In particular,
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  Speaker 1: what I saw was a very sanctimonious Sonia First to
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  Speaker 1: Know for the first time probably ever. And the reason
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  Speaker 1: I say this is because there was this controversy of
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  Speaker 1: potentially not getting on the phone with both leaders, and
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  Speaker 1: given both leaders on the NDP and the Conservatives this
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  Speaker 1: same time of day, there there was this moment where
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  Speaker 1: she calls out on John rusts Dad for not having
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  Speaker 1: enough leadership and essentially saying to decode that, essentially saying
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  Speaker 1: that she wants him to kick out some of his
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  Speaker 1: caucus members because of comments that they have made and
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  Speaker 1: something that she cannot demand because it's not her caucus.
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  Speaker 1: And then the reason why I think and this is
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  Speaker 1: I have no line of sight as to what Sonia
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  Speaker 1: First Knows like political Future holds. The reason I think
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  Speaker 1: she's done. This is because then next week she can say, well,
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  Speaker 1: I can't support John rust Dad because he didn't kick
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  Speaker 1: out these two caucus members, so I'm forced to go
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  Speaker 1: to David Eb. Even though David Eb's approval ratings aren't
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  Speaker 1: that great. It was shown essentially by the vote and
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  Speaker 1: the will of the people in BC, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: sign to that she probably will favor in n DP government,
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  Speaker 1: but a portrayal in advance that John Rustdad a relationship
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  Speaker 1: with the Greens would just be untenable. But she's forced
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  Speaker 1: to work with this party that also might not have
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  Speaker 1: a stellar political future in BC either.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised by that press conference as well, because
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  Speaker 2: it tipped the hand of the Greens to show that
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  Speaker 2: they really have no desire to work with the Conservatives,
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  Speaker 2: and it's sort of I came away thinking half the
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  Speaker 2: province back the Conservatives right by just sort of discounting that,
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  Speaker 2: you're sort of not speaking to half of the province.
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  Speaker 2: Nine hundred thousand people, forty three percent of the vote,
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  Speaker 2: forty five MLAs and Sunny First I didn't win her seat,
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  Speaker 2: but she wants to tell John Rustdad to kick MLA's
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  Speaker 2: out of the caucus that the voter's just elected. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how democratic that seems to me when
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  Speaker 2: I break that down, Jeff, what did you think of that?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't hear Sonya first to know say that at all.
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  Speaker 4: I think what I heard her say was that to
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  Speaker 4: engage in meaningful for the Greens to engage meaningful discussions
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  Speaker 4: with the Conservatives, John Rustad needs to show some leadership
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  Speaker 4: and how he is going to ensure that his caucus
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  Speaker 4: takes responsibility and accountability for idiotic things that they've said
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  Speaker 4: in the past that came up in the election an
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  Speaker 4: election and make a ironclad commitment that saying things like
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  Speaker 4: Muslim community are inbreds, or the LGBTQ people are groomers,
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  Speaker 4: or that you know, deaths at residential schools never happened.
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  Speaker 4: That he's going to take a much stronger approach as
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  Speaker 4: a leader to telling his MLAs to stop it because
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  Speaker 4: that divides people and there's no way that a government
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  Speaker 4: can function with folks who are saying and doing such things.
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  Speaker 4: And so if that seemed to me to be an
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  Speaker 4: opportunity for the Conservatives to say that as much as
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about the NDP needing to hear the lesson
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  Speaker 4: of the you know what the voters have told them
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  Speaker 4: in this election, and they've definitely heard a lot about
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  Speaker 4: cost of living in pace. This was an opportunity for
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  Speaker 4: John Rustad to reflect back that he's heard from He's
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  Speaker 4: heard the voters and their concerns about this stuff, and
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  Speaker 4: if he dealt with that and moved on to governing,
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  Speaker 4: here's a chance for him to form a partnership and
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  Speaker 4: form a government with them. I'll point out that as
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  Speaker 4: much which is folks are dumping on David eb he
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  Speaker 4: got twenty one thousand more votes than the Conservatives. They
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  Speaker 4: won the popular vote handily. And Sonya first to know,
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  Speaker 4: comes to the podium with the support of one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and sixty seven thousand British Columbians and that's largely because
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  Speaker 4: of her in the campaign that she has led and
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  Speaker 4: so and she's got a role to play and how
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  Speaker 4: a minority government will function. If I had to guess,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm not supposed to guess, you know, supposed to
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  Speaker 4: deal in hypotheticals when you're doing media, I should probably
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  Speaker 4: stend you a statement instead of talking about this out loud.
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  Speaker 4: It seems a lot like a vote to vote scenario
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  Speaker 4: is the most likely one, at least from the outside
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  Speaker 4: looking in, where the MVP should the result hold, can
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  Speaker 4: bring in a speech from the throne and start to
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  Speaker 4: govern and try to find votes with the other parties
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  Speaker 4: for specific initiatives and that it wants to advance in
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  Speaker 4: the legislature. And most of the time it'll be green,
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  Speaker 4: but there may be instances where they try and put
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  Speaker 4: some pressure on the Conservatives to support the government on
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  Speaker 4: things like economic development and resource development and mental health
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  Speaker 4: and addictions and those sorts of things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just not sure I buy some of that because.
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  Speaker 4: You agree with everything I say. Come on, get with
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  Speaker 4: the program.
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  Speaker 2: Saw the voters voted for those MLAs to get into office.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't say that they should be kicked out of caucus.
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  Speaker 4: I'm suggesting that what johnya Ferson now said is that
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  Speaker 4: the leader John Rustad needs to set a stronger tone
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  Speaker 4: about people saying those things and they need to stop
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  Speaker 4: it because it's not it's unhelpful to a province that
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  Speaker 4: needs to come together to deal with some really big issues.
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  Speaker 4: So it's not about getting rid of MLA's voters have
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  Speaker 4: had their say. It's about demanding a level of respectful
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  Speaker 4: conduct from the members of his caucus. And I think
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  Speaker 4: that's wholly within her right to demand that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's in a position where her and her
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  Speaker 3: MLAs are going to would in that situation be potentially
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  Speaker 3: giving rest at the ability to appoint those people to
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  Speaker 3: cabinet posts, so giving them more power than voters chose
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  Speaker 3: to give them because they didn't vote for a majority.
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  Speaker 3: And I think she, you know, takes that seriously. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that there was also a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: who voted against the other party, just as much as
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  Speaker 3: you know, some people voted for a certain party. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that just because you know, some of
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  Speaker 3: the MLAs who said a lot of questionable things managed
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  Speaker 3: to get you know, a plurality of votes in their writing,
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  Speaker 3: means that that's a blank check for that everything that
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  Speaker 3: they said was okay. People like Brent Chapman didn't actually
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  Speaker 3: answer for what they said. They hid in closet. So
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  Speaker 3: I still think it would be a mistake to sort of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just say that that's settled, because I think
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  Speaker 3: it's a normalization of things that are pretty harmful.
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  Speaker 2: We only have a couple of minutes here, so let's
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: just go around, and Jeff has already said this, but
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: what do we think would be the smartest strategic move
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: here for the Greens if they do in fact hold
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the balance of power? Given that the previous four year
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Cassa agreement they signed confidence and supply didn't last four years,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: does it make any sense for them to sign another one?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Should they be doing something shorter term? Is it work
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to do vote by vote?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Does that give a legislature stability? Just briefly, everybody, Ali,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: what do you think makes the most sense here?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Vote by vote makes the most sense. And in addition
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to some what the Greens should be doing, they should
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: actually just be campaigning because we have no idea when
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the next election is going to be, and this might
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: prove that they could go from two to more if
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: they based on that and less of the other stuff
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: that we were just talking about.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Jeff, just briefly, does vote by vote allow a government
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to function and a legislator to be stable?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: It's the least stable approach for sure. I think what
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: voters would probably want is some sort some form of
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: agreement between parties that would bring some stability at least
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: for a couple of years where government can actually focus
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: on getting stuff done on healthcare, forwordability, housing, and public safety.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: What do you think, Julian, I think the Greens have
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: shown in their recent minority experience that they can work
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: in good faith and provide stability, but that they have
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: good reason to not trust the NDP. I think in
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: that regard, it makes more sense to not give as
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: much power away as they did in twenty seventeen and
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: lay everything on the table all at once and say,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: you know, here's what we want in exchange for four
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: stable years. I think focusing on on some really clear
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: initial priorities that are affordability, healthcare, things that we really
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: heard in the election, and saying you know, you are
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: going to have to give us these things in order
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: to get our confidence on an ongoing basis, rather than
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: sort of giving a blank check makes more sense to me.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we're going to leave it there. A little
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: bit of a shorter show this week, but everything is
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: about to change again in the weekend with the recounts
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and the vote, so there's not as much fun as
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: it would be to speculate forever. It's better to come
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: back next week with all the latest all of hopefully
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: final results of the BC election and the calculations that
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: begin to form the next government. Thank you to the
• 22:40
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• 22:42
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• 22:45
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• 22:47
  Speaker 2: here on Political Capital.