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Kylie x Meta Glasses, Meta’s prediction market plot, Aus socials ban update + DuckDuckGo’s AI fail · Mini Scroll

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  Coming up today on Mini Tech Scroll, Kylie Jenner's foray
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  into smart glasses, Meta's Poly market pursuits, an update on
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  the Aussie Under 16 social media ban and what happens when social
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  media. Users try to.
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  Poison AI Hey everyone, and welcome to Mini scroll, the
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  daily Internet culture podcast bring you the biggest stories
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  from social media, the creator economy and the digital space
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  every Monday through Thursday and sometimes Fridays.
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  My name is Annabelle and I'm your Wednesday Mini tech scroll
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  host and also. The deputy editor.
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  Of Australian youth digital media brand Centennial World.
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  Welcome back to Mini Tech Scroll for another week.
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  I hope you guys didn't miss us too much while we were off on
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  break honestly, even though it's only been a week.
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  I do feel a little bit rusty today, so hopefully this episode
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  goes. Smoothly because.
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  We are back. We are excited.
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  The forehead is exposed. Usually I.
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  Have my bangs out so I'm feeling exposed.
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  But yes, that is all I have to say.
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  I think of the top of this week's episode.
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  Other than Please remember to rate, review and subscribe.
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  It is all super, super helpful, OK?
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  Let's just get. Right into the content for this
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  week. We actually have a 2.
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  Meta related stories. This week, so to start off soft.
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  I wanted to. Talk about Kylie.
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  Jenner's recent collaboration with Meta on the new line of
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  Smart. Glasses so last.
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  Week, Meta announced a new line of smart.
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  Slash AI glasses. Under its own brand.
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  If the idea. Of meta having smart glasses
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  sounds familiar to you. You aren't wrong.
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  Meta has. Put out smart glasses in the
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  past, launching with Ray Ban back in 2021.
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  But now Meta has officially launched Meta Glasses and
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  according to the Meta Newsroom blog post quote in partnership
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  with. Essilor Luxodica.
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  We're introducing meta. Glasses Which?
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  Build on the technology and features of the world's best
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  selling AI glasses, the launch comes with 26 styles across a
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  range of colors, lenses and frames.
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  But there is. One pair.
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  That is causing a lot of conversation online.
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  The meta glasses. By Kylie Jenner so they are
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  described as a. Quote Unique slim Oval frame
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  designed in collaboration with Kylie Jenner and inspired by her
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  personal style and these. Glasses obviously have AI
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  features. And I feel like.
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  That is. The whole thing with Smart.
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  Glasses these days, it's about really.
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  Leaning into. AI, for better or for worse.
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  But some of the more. General features with.
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  This launch include. The ability to.
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  Ask the meta glasses questions and it answers you.
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  The ability to live. Translate take.
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  Photos take videos. Among many other features and on
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  top. Of this, the Kylie Glasses
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  specifically are voiced by Kylie herself.
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  Now I did want to note here that Kylie is actually.
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  Not the first. Kardashian Jenner to collaborate
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  on something AI related. With meta so.
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  I don't know if you guys remember this, I think it has
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  come up on the. Part before, but a couple.
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  Of years ago, Kendall Jenner's likeness was licensed by Meta to
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  build an AI chat bot, which it was then called Billy and it was
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  marketed as like an older. Sister of sorts, so it was
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  basically there for users to chat.
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  To and just. Ask for advice.
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  Even Kendall was among a class of celebrities who were
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  involved. But since then, this program has
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  been shut down. Probably for the best.
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  So even though this. Isn't the first time we've seen
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  this kind of collab? Consumers have not.
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  Responded well to the. Kylie X meta glasses so I wanted
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  to get into some of the. Discourse around that.
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  Much of. The backlash?
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  Has to do. With the.
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  Purpose and function of smart. Slash AI glasses.
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  To begin with SO. At a base level, these glasses.
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  Have been. Described as a.
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  Privacy and safety. Risk because users.
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  Can essentially just record their surroundings at any given
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  time and they can do so inconspicuously, and this is
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  obviously an extreme invasion of privacy and unconsensual for the
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  people who are in those recordings.
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  On top of this, consumers have also expressed concerns about
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  pairing smart. Glasses with AI?
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  Asking whether the recordings on them could be used to train AI
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  models or even potentially match people to information online,
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  essentially doxing them. On the AI training front, there
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  have already been cases of this. So.
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  According to BBC reports, contractors in Kenya.
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  Were quote tasked. With watching videos made
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  through Meta's glasses to create AI training data for the
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  company. Said they were required to
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  watch. Graphic content like sex and
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  bathroom usage not only is this obviously an invasion of privacy
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  once again, but it can also be confronting and harmful for the
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  contractors to watch graphic content as we've discussed time
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  and time again when it comes to moderation.
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  As a bit of a different example, and another issue that many
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  people have noted when it comes to recording people without
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  consent is that women are disproportionately.
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  Targeted by this. Kind of content.
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  There have already been quite a few.
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  Reports of. Women being filmed out in public
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  unknowingly and then seeing themselves pop up on their.
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  For you page. One creator named Low Britt.
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  Actually shared her. Experiences of being recorded
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  without knowing and being approached by a man at an
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  airport. So that is kind of like the.
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  General opinion I guess or sentiment towards smart glasses.
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  And as you can gather, a lot of the conversation is pretty
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  negative. Though I should note that there
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  are obviously some positives to smart.
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  Glasses especially. When it comes to a various.
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  Accessibility factors. And for blind people, which I
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  think I've actually discussed on the.
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  Podcast previously. So when we consider.
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  The masses attitude towards AI glasses it.
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  Begs the question, what is their value?
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  And this is actually something that the.
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  Verge cast did. A podcast on last week and I
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  will link it in the description because they.
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  Spoke about various. Different features that.
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  Were actually valuable, so. If you're interested, definitely
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  check that out, but I think the question to ask in this instance
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  is. What is the value of a Kylie
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  Jenner? Collaboration specifically, and
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  I think it's safe to say that this is an attempt to get women
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  to embrace AI and. Smart glasses specifically.
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  We do talk about this quite. Frequently on this podcast, but
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  there really is an AI gap between men and women, with many
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  women less interested or willing.
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  To use AI. In a workplace, this may come
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  down to the fear of appearing reliant on AI, or in other
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  context it might be the very. Fact that AI.
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  Tends to harm and sexualize women more intensely and more
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  frequently than men, with examples like deep fakes and
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  just the rise of even AI companions, so it isn't exactly
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  surprising why. This gap exists.
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  But tapping someone like Kylie Jenner, someone who is widely
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  considered inspired to many young women, feels like a pretty
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  direct attempt to get. This demographic to buy the
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  product. Obviously, women are also a
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  lucrative customer base. That I feel like meta.
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  Would want to tap into on its AI front another point that I've
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  been seeing made on TikTok in relation to this collaboration
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  and its value points to. The fact that.
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  Kylie Jenner is someone who is renowned in fashion and beauty
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  spaces and this is essentially allowing these industries to
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  normalize surveillance in a more mainstream and.
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  Wearable way, obviously. AI glasses.
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  Haven't been around for quite some time now.
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  But they haven't. Been considered as like quote UN
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  quote cool or trendy With this. I have seen quite a few takes on
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  TikTok talking about how tapping into fashion is a way to make it
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  feel more acceptable, but at the same time it is also ominous
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  because not only is it using fashion to promote AI, something
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  that is threatening the very. Fabric of creative.
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  Industries but it's also embedding surveillance in our
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  clothing and ultimately this has the potential to change not only
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  how we. Dress, but also how we behave
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  because. If we have the feeling that we
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  are being recorded and surveilled at all times.
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  We will behave slash I guess. Perform accordingly.
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  It literally all goes. Back to the panopticon and
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  panoptic. Control.
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  We've spoken about that in the deep dives.
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  Before I don't. Think I've spoken about that on
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  mini tech, but this is a concept that comes from an architectural
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  prison design that facilitated a form of constant surveillance.
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  And then Michelle Foucault used the panopticon as an analogy for
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  the way modern society is organized around.
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  Power and surveillance. And we do see that increasingly
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  in more parts of big. Tech but I.
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  Think smart glasses are a major example of that.
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  As well as. How fashion is being embedded
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  into that space? So I'll actually.
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  Insert some Tik toks talking about that right now as well.
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  Can we talk about how fashion is being used by Meta to launder
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  the acceptability of their AI glasses?
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  And I'm not just talking about Kylie Jenner designing a pair.
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  I'm talking about niche fashion influences.
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  Fashion people who have built platforms around having
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  impeccable taste are promoting Meta's AI glasses because these
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  glasses are technology that you wear.
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  That's exactly why Meta needs the fashion crowd.
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  The approval of the fashion world gives people the social
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  permission to wear them, and Meta needs that legitimacy.
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  That's why it's leaning on not just creators with the biggest
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  audiences, but creators with the biggest cultural authority who
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  are known for their good taste. Because these glasses are not
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  cool. Not just because I think they're
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  corny, but because they're wrapped up in pretty serious
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  concerns around surveillance, privacy, and covert recording.
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  So by showing you all the cool ways you can use Meta AI to
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  identify vintage Tom Ford Gucci, they're trying to shift the
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  perception of Meta glasses as a surveillance device to is
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  something that stylish people use and wear without a second
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  thought. OK, let's move.
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  On to another cast name. Meta is doing so Mark
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  Zuckerberg. Has reportedly.
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  Encouraged Meta to consider partnering with prediction
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  markets like calci and polymarket.
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  I feel like. Lauren's been speaking about
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  trade marking a lot recently. I've been speaking about
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  prediction markets a lot recently, but honestly they have
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  become my special interest. I don't know why I'm so
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  intrigued in this. Space.
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  It's like a car crash like I. Can't look away from it, but in
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  saying that because this is something I have repeatedly
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  covered, I'm not going to explain prediction markets again
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  fully because I think it is kind of boring for people who have
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  tuned into the multiple. Episodes that I've covered.
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  This in. But to put it extremely simply,
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  these platforms allow. Users to bet.
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  On real life scenarios and outcomes and these range from
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  Love Island. USA to the.
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  Ceasefire in the Middle East to more speculative questions.
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  And these contracts act more like financial shares in a way
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  where users on opposing sides essentially bet against each
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  other. So on June 23rd, the New York
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  Times reported that Zuckerberg directed.
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  Meta to create a. Prediction market.
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  App that could. Compete.
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  With the likes of. Calci and Polymarket.
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  According to the reporting, the app is known internally as Arena
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  and speaking to. Sources familiar with the
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  project. It seems that.
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  If this. Does indeed go to market.
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  At first users. Won't be betting real money, it
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  will be more based on points. As the article reads, quote the
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  effort. Which inside is characterized as
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  experimental. But a top priority is part of a
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  broader push by Zuckerberg to create.
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  New types of. Apps.
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  Based on emerging social behavior online.
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  So I think that quote kind of speaks to the motive behind Why
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  Meadow. Would be.
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  Pursuing this type of platform, and while it is being trialled
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  entirely, I should note that there's no guarantee.
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  That it would actually be released to the.
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  Public down the line, but there is a chance that it will be
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  integrated into. Meta's other.
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  Apps and features. Like.
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  Stories, reels, Messenger, all of that.
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  Shortly. After this news.
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  Broke outlets also. Started reporting that Meta
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  executives have been encouraged to engage with Polymarket and
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  Calci, even though it does remain unclear.
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  How? Partnerships between them would
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  work, so there is definitely interest in this space no matter
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  what. It doesn't really.
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  Surprise me that Meta would be leaning into this kind of app.
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  For growth, they always do this They.
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  Always kind of capitalize on whatever is trendy quote UN
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  quote at a certain time. I mean, we saw that with
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  Instagram taking stories from Snapchat and then reels existing
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  off the. Back of tik.
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  T.O.K this is something that meta does.
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  Repeatedly, but. In this instance it does.
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  Feel a little bit heavier because there.
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  Are ethical concerns and questions around prediction
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  markets. But at the end of the day, we
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  all know big tech companies are seeking exponential growth and
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  profit, so feeding into what might be considered up and
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  coming online makes sense in this context.
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  Though I should note that actually this isn't the first
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  time that Mehta has dabbled in an app of this nature in 2020.
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  It released Forecast which was a.
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  Crowdsource prediction market. App that asked.
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  People to make guesses about the world.
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  In the early days of. COVID-19, but obviously since
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  then these platforms have become increasingly culturally
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  relevant, so I thought also it'd be interesting to talk.
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  A little bit here about the. Rise of prediction markets more
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  broadly and actually. We did.
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  Write about this in the sub. Stack a couple of weeks ago, so
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  if you've already. Heard these points?
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  No, you haven't. We drew a.
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  Connection between populism and prediction markets, which I
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  think is a factor underpinning the broader obsession with these
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  platforms so. I talk about.
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  Populism. Honestly probably too frequently
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  for a tech podcast. But.
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  For those who are unfamiliar with the term, populism is
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  generally understood as an ideology that can attach itself
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  to movements. Across the political spectrum,
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  but there is a. Unifying theme at its core, and
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  that is a sense of victimhood. A.
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  Feeling. That the elites.
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  Are ripping ordinary people off and just can't be trusted and
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  ever since the. Trump era, I would say the.
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  Dominant. Political discourse slash
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  ideology as well. As the.
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  Digital World has. Become increasingly aligned with
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  populism and prediction markets. Do fit perfectly with.
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  This mentality because populism has.
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  Created a perfect. Storm for a digital.
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  World defined. By suspicion and distrust and
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  platforms. Like Kaushi polymarket.
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  And potentially arena down the line, promise to deliver the
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  wisdom of a crowd. And this implies that these
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  predictions from the masses can. Forecast real world.
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  More accurately and effectively than experts or in other.
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  Words the elite. And while everything going on
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  with Arena is very behind the scenes right now, Meta
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  potentially jumping on this wave definitely cannot be ignored
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  because they obviously one of the major tech companies that
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  dictate. How we operate.
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  Online, so it seems this populist mentality.
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  Is here to stay OK? The next story I have is a bit
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  of an update on the Australian under 16 social media ban.
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  There's actually been. A lot of talk about youth.
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  Social media bans recently, I think, particularly ever since
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  it's become a topic of conversation in the UK.
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  But of course. Other governments around the
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  world are following in Australia's footsteps in saying
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  that we have spoken a lot about the pros and cons of the social
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  media ban. In the Australian context, I
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  don't really think we need to. Go through all.
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  Of that again, because I think the discussion can be applied
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  across different political context to simplify the
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  conversation really, really quickly.
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  Some users are. Pro these kinds of bans because
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  of the algorithmic nature of social media and how that can
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  negatively impact youth audiences.
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  Whether that be. By leading them down political
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  echo chambers or kind of reinforcing negative messaging,
• 15:28
  particularly around body image. On the flip side though.
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  People are. Against these kinds of bans
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  because. They.
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  Argue that it limits media literacy for young people, It
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  can isolate young people, and some people argue that it's
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  actually not about protecting children at all, but instead
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  surveillance in the the digital world.
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  So it's definitely a controversial topic and as far
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  as how it's being implemented. That is also.
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  Being met with a. Lot of.
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  Criticism and I've covered a fair.
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  Few. Updates on the Australian social
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  media bans since it was introduced in December.
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  I think the recent time I spoke. About.
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  A report from Australia's E Safety Commissioner indicating
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  that there is still a number of compliance concerns, with a
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  majority of under 16 year olds retaining access to their
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  accounts despite there being age gating in.
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  In place, allegedly. But the update I wanted to
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  mention today is that the Australian Government is
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  doubling down on the social platforms that are still
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  allowing these under sixteens to slip through the cracks,
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  according to a statement from the Prime Minister's Office.
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  Quote the. Government will strengthen the E
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  Safety Commissioner's information gathering powers
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  with new legislation and will double the maximum penalty for
• 16:36
  breaches of social media minimum age law to 99 million and this
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  is compared to the previous penalty of 49.5 million.
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  Anyway, as the statement continues, quote the new laws
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  will mean the E Safety Commissioner as the independent
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  regulator can compel social media companies.
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  To provide evidence. Of what they have done to stop
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  under sixteenths from getting an account the enhanced.
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  Powers will give. The Commissioner, stronger
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  enforcement and compliance tools and more.
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  Powers to hold. Big tech accountable, so with.
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  That it's very. Clear that the Australian
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  government is. Committed to this.
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  Course of action and is really trying to fix the implementation
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  problems with the ban because I remember last time we reported
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  on this it was about 7 in 10 under 16 year olds.
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  Still have access to their accounts.
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  Which is obviously not the best result, but a predominant take
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  among experts is that this doesn't seem to be quite enough
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  for the government to actually. Achieve what they have set out
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  to achieve. As one academic put it in a
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  piece for the Conversation quote, it referring to the
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  changes is unclear. Why they weren't part of the?
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  Original plan for ensuring compliance.
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  The changes also don't go far enough to address the potential
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  harms posed by social media. Even if all social media
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  platforms complied with the current legislation, significant
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  safety concerns would remain. And of course, those significant
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  safety concerns are often down to the platform themselves to
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  monitor and regulate. But will they?
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  Ever address it? Probably not, they want people
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  to stay on the more users benefit them.
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  I feel like I'm a broken record. But that is the truth, okay?
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  To round us out. For today I have a.
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  Chronically online Internet. Culture cross AI type of.
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  Story I saw this story and I immediately thought I need to
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  include this to mini tech because it's one of those ones
• 18:23
  that if you don't laugh you'll cry and it's related.
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  To DuckDuckGo. So we've been speaking about
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  DuckDuckGo as an alternative search engine to like Google,
• 18:31
  Google Chrome. Especially as Google.
• 18:33
  Leans further into. AI with Gemini.
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  Search. So DuckDuckGo has.
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  Become a favorite among social media users because you can
• 18:41
  completely turn off. All AI features.
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  But like everything these days. There are still AI.
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  Features and tools that you can opt in to use and they.
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  I have been making the rounds online for making a.
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  Very crazy mistake. Bear with me because this
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  sentence will sound insane, but Duckduckgo's.
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  AI feature started. Telling users that Donald Trump.
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  Died of rabies. What timeline are we living in?
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  As for where a claim like this came from?
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  Because. Obviously AI is.
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  Pulling from existing information futurism.
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  Reported. That the evidence cited by the.
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  AI was from a piece by a West. Virginia broadcaster claiming
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  that Trump got. Bit by a.
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  Rabies infected JD Vance The Futurism piece speculates that
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  much of the content from this broadcaster.
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  Actually looks to. Be AI generated so.
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  If that is the case. Where did this claim come from
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  before that? And the going theory here is
• 19:38
  that it came from the R. Slash.
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  Poison AI subreddit you can probably.
• 19:42
  Already gather what the purpose of that subreddit?
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  Is from the name, but it's where anti AI uses intentionally post.
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  I guess fake slash like satirical.
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  Information in order to quote UN quote poison AI, search engines
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  and chat bots. The premise is obviously funny,
• 20:00
  but it's concerning that AI is actually picking this up.
• 20:03
  As for how DuckDuckGo has. Responded they have.
• 20:06
  Addressed the. Situation from the brand's
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  Reddit account writing quote. OK, we got.
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  Ducked on this one. We're on it.
• 20:12
  They've also written a statement on the matter.
• 20:14
  That they have. Left on a variety of different
• 20:17
  Reddit posts writing something along the lines of quote.
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  Thanks for bringing this to our attention, it has been resolved.
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  We strive for accuracy in search assist, and in this case it was.
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  Deliberately tricked. We'll be making updates to
• 20:28
  improve. How search assist?
• 20:30
  Operates in situations like. This FYI.
• 20:32
  You can turn off AI and DuckDuckGo search.
• 20:34
  If you prefer or use out no AI dot DuckDuckGo dot.
• 20:38
  COM version. I will say it has been noted by
• 20:41
  various publications that this whole situation was not.
• 20:43
  Duckduckgo's fault? Entirely because the company.
• 20:47
  'S AI search. Tool and chatbot duck.
• 20:50
  AI does use third party AI models.
• 20:53
  But also. The very fact that.
• 20:55
  They're deciding to put AI into their product in the 1st place
• 20:58
  is kind of like. What do you expect?
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  So yeah. I guess this story is just
• 21:02
  another example of how when you are consuming information.
• 21:06
  Through AI or a chat bot please. Check the sources, double check
• 21:10
  everything because even though everyone is embracing AI that
• 21:14
  doesn't mean it is 100% accurate unfortunately.
• 21:17
  OK, well. That is everything from mini
• 21:20
  tech scroll today. What a story to end on.
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  But I do hope you. Guys, enjoyed Lauren will speak
• 21:25
  to you tomorrow. And yes, thanks for listening.
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  Bye. Centennial World Podcast Network
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  Gadigal of the Eora Nation, the traditional custodians of this
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  land, and pay our respects to elders both past and present.