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Dr. Drew on Baby Reindeer, Hollywood Stink and Bullying Reality TV Producers · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: for it? This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
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  Speaker 1: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 1: It's Dunaidial. Where? Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean... Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 2: Lift?
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  Speaker 1: Please. Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage. No. Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else. Heather MacDonald has got
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  Speaker 1: the Juicy Scoop. When you're on the road, when you're
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  Speaker 1: on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know.
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  Speaker 1: She talks Hollywood tales for real life, Mr. Saving Serial
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  Speaker 1: Data and Serial Sisters. You'll be addicted and addicted.
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  Speaker 2: Fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up.
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  Speaker 3: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: I have a return favorite of Juicy Scoop, but a
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  Speaker 1: star in his own right. Doctor, husband, father of triplets,
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  Speaker 1: now father-in-law. Yeah. Son just got married.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Dr. Drew, welcome back to Juicy Scoop. It's been a minute.
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  Speaker 3: It has been a minute, but it's always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't feel like it's been that long.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: I saw you not that long ago, but I was,
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  Speaker 3: when are you... good language here. I was going to
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  Speaker 3: say assailed, but it was approached by many Juicy Scoopers
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  Speaker 3: as I move across the country. Oh, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: And won this last weekend at a pool. And I
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  Speaker 3: thought to myself, and she was so complimentary and so enthusiastic.
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  Speaker 3: And everyone loves so much being a part of this.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I got to get back on quick. I
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  Speaker 3: got to get back in there.
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  Speaker 1: That's so funny because it happened that you ran into
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  Speaker 1: this woman like this past weekend. Yes. And then I
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  Speaker 1: reached out to Susan. And then she's like, were your
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  Speaker 1: ears burning? We were just talking about you. We were
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  Speaker 1: at the Juicy Scooper last night, your wife, Susan. And
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  Speaker 1: you had exciting family news. Your son is married.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Beautiful. Beautiful wedding.
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  Speaker 1: Right on the beach.
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  Speaker 3: Gorgeous. And it's so funny. This woman that approached us, Pam,
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  Speaker 3: who will die that we mention her name. She's such
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  Speaker 3: a huge fan of yours.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, did you see the Cabo interviews we
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  Speaker 3: all did? Do you remember that? Yes, of course.
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  Speaker 1: That was so fun.
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  Speaker 3: That was so fun.
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  Speaker 1: We can try to work on that stuff again.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it'd be so good.
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  Speaker 1: I might have the hookup now back again.
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  Speaker 3: In Cabo?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it was fun doing the interviews and stuff, too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I just wanted to say, you know, now your
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  Speaker 1: son just got married.
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  Speaker 3: Hang on a second. I'm just flashing on something in Cabo,
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  Speaker 3: which was. Here we are in the airport going through
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  Speaker 3: customs and you had to stay six feet distance.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone wearing stupid ass masks.
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  Speaker 1: Because we went, I think we went November of 2020.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Of 2020?
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  Speaker 3: 2020, because I got COVID like three months later, and
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  Speaker 3: I kept thinking to myself, if I hadn't gone to COVID,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to kill myself right now.
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  Speaker 1: If you hadn't gone to Cabo, you would.
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  Speaker 3: What did I say? COVID. If I hadn't gone to Cabo,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to kill myself because it was so
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  Speaker 3: miserable being sick. I was like, at least I can
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  Speaker 3: remember that great time in Cabo we had.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we did go to Cabo, and I remember we–
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  Speaker 1: You know, in doing the photos, we were going to
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  Speaker 1: get shit for it, for having fun in 2020.
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  Speaker 3: We were outside, which is two cases in the world
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  Speaker 3: transmitted out of doors, everybody, two in the world. And
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  Speaker 3: then I was just interviewed a guy just a couple
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  Speaker 3: hours ago who was a guy that was there when
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  Speaker 3: they made the decision to go six feet. And he
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  Speaker 3: was like, it was completely arbitrary. There was nothing to
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  Speaker 3: indicate that six feet would do anything. In fact, they
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  Speaker 3: were thinking more like 30 or 60 feet might. Six
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  Speaker 3: feet would do nothing. And the whole world adopted us.
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  Speaker 3: And there we are standing in a custom line in Mexico.
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  Speaker 3: Remember that?
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  Speaker 1: Now let me turn therapist on you, Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Drew.
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  Speaker 1: Because, Dr. Drew, during this time in history, you chose
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  Speaker 1: to speak your own opinion based on your study and expertise.
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  Speaker 3: My opinion.
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  Speaker 1: And it was not along the politically correct, at the time, opinion.
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  Speaker 1: And you brought up different things. And then sometimes you
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  Speaker 1: were like, well, I wasn't totally correct about that. People
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  Speaker 1: can make mistakes. People can go back and forth. But....
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  Speaker 3: As you said before the mic's heated up, I got
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  Speaker 3: the stink on me.
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  Speaker 1: You got the stink on you.
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  Speaker 3: Which is so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You got the stink on you where it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: don't fuck with him anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Don't go near him.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go near him.
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  Speaker 3: Radioactive.
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  Speaker 1: Not even six feet.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, being right, I was right about 85%
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  Speaker 3: of the things I was saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And there's more going to come out soon.
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  Speaker 1: And has anyone that abandoned you in Hollywood or anywhere
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  Speaker 1: else or the medical field, has anyone... come to you
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  Speaker 1: and said in a text or email, whatever, Hey, in retrospect, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I kept my distance. I was, you know, feeling the
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  Speaker 1: heat from my agent, not to mess with you.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody, not one person.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, I could attest to a similar situation with me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Not one person. When I proved that, That I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a thief, I wasn't a liar, all that crap from,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nine months ago. Now one person was like, hey. No,
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  Speaker 1: actually there was like a fan that wrote me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's nice.
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  Speaker 1: And was like, hey, I can't believe I believed all
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  Speaker 1: the lies that were said about you.
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  Speaker 3: It is weird how people, some people get these, stink.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you'd be the last person on earth I
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  Speaker 3: would expect to be dealing with that. Yeah. I'm certainly,
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  Speaker 3: I only try to speak the truth and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and help people and that kind of gets weird that
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  Speaker 3: we get these things. But although I did not get
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  Speaker 3: one person apologizing or saying I've reconsidered anything like that,
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  Speaker 3: what I got instead was a lot of, why did
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  Speaker 3: you apologize? You were right all along. You should have
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  Speaker 3: stood up with a... Greater fortitude.
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  Speaker 1: You mean three years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Three years ago, yes.
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  Speaker 1: You never should have apologized.
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  Speaker 3: Never should have apologized for anything. And it was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I got some things wrong, and I'm happy to apologize
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  Speaker 3: about that if I get some stuff wrong. I have
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  Speaker 3: no problem with that. Now, even some of the stuff
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  Speaker 3: I apologized about, I ended up being right about. But
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, if it hurts somebody, I don't mean
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  Speaker 3: to do that. I'll apologize.
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  Speaker 1: And I still feel like, yeah. Of course, in retrospect,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that we look back and go, well,
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't too smart, pulling everybody out of school for
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  Speaker 1: a year and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Two years.
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  Speaker 1: Two years or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Terrible. It really harmed people.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It really hurt.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with all that. And I'm kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: but also there were just, you know, to give a
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  Speaker 1: little grace, there were just humans. having to make these
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  Speaker 1: decisions in a situation that they didn't know what was
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  Speaker 1: going on. We hadn't been there before.
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  Speaker 3: How did I know? How did so many of us
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  Speaker 3: know that they were making the wrong decisions?
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  Speaker 1: Well, then, okay, fine.
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  Speaker 3: And at the beginning, like the first three, even six months.
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  Speaker 1: Even this so controversial, talking about it, what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: But I kind of feel like it's safe now.
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  Speaker 3: It's time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time. I feel like it's okay now to
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  Speaker 1: just talk, and I don't really care anymore.
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  Speaker 3: There's so many things that we couldn't talk about like
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  Speaker 3: four years ago. It's so weird when you.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it. You can't talk about it because- You know,
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen to you? You're not going to
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  Speaker 1: be invited to anything. People are going to inundate your
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  Speaker 1: comments and you're going to lose sponsors or whatever just
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  Speaker 1: for having like a difference of opinion. And it's like,
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  Speaker 1: thank God now people they won't say, gosh, I was
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  Speaker 1: wrong about that or I shouldn't have been such an
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  Speaker 1: asshole because you smiled that one time in a photo
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  Speaker 1: in 2020 without a mask. But they won't double down
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  Speaker 1: on what they were thinking. They're just silent.
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  Speaker 3: They're just silent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And many of those people were so wrong and
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  Speaker 3: so disgusting in their behavior, they need to be mocked.
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  Speaker 3: We need to flip it over to start to make
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  Speaker 3: fun of things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because they deserve it. And if you get things wrong, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But the point is that six months in, it was
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  Speaker 3: pretty clear what was going on. We had an A-B test,
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  Speaker 3: Florida versus California test. Florida did a lot better. California
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  Speaker 3: did a lot worse. How about we adjust accordingly? No,
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  Speaker 3: because Florida is that kind of place. California is this
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  Speaker 3: kind of place. Therefore, we can't talk about it. Right. Crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, enough of that. So none of the friends are
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  Speaker 1: coming back. You realize they weren't the real friends. You
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  Speaker 1: were left with how many people?
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  Speaker 3: My real friends are still with me and always were.
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  Speaker 3: And even people that disagreed with me, we just disagree.
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  Speaker 3: It's fine to disagree with people.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good thing, not.
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  Speaker 3: A bad thing. And you're one of them and we're here.
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  Speaker 3: Peter's another one.
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  Speaker 1: But what about the Hollywood aspect of it?
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  Speaker 3: I just moved on. I just moved on to do
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  Speaker 3: other things.
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  Speaker 1: That's all.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this kind of thing, the digital world has...
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  Speaker 3: So I started what I started doing. I have a...
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  Speaker 3: Good thing you mentioned this because I would have forgotten.
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  Speaker 3: Susan would have killed me. Susan started producing a show Tuesday, Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: Thursday at 3 o'clock Pacific called Ask Dr. Drew, where
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  Speaker 3: at first I was just offering my opinions about what
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  Speaker 3: was going on at COVID. And because I was saying
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  Speaker 3: things that weren't always the party line, I felt like
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  Speaker 3: I was the French underground. I kept saying, I think
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  Speaker 3: we're the French underground. We're like broadcasting to the world
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  Speaker 3: that wants freedom and expression. And it evolved into this
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  Speaker 3: really interesting show where I started interviewing all the people
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  Speaker 3: who had been canceled. As soon as somebody was canceled,
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  Speaker 3: I would just go, I want to talk to them.
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  Speaker 3: I want to see why they're canceled. I want to
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  Speaker 3: see what they have to say. And I didn't agree
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  Speaker 3: with everything everybody said, not by a long shot, but
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  Speaker 3: I discovered something from each and every one of them.
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  Speaker 3: New information came to me because of... And all of
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  Speaker 3: them were exceptional professionals, like decorated professionals.
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  Speaker 1: Canceled because of their opinion on COVID or canceled throughout
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  Speaker 1: the world?
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  Speaker 3: Usually COVID, COVID or.
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  Speaker 1: Vaccine or something. And because now I feel like in Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: they're really, the cancel thing has like subsided.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It's proven that people don't really care. And I feel
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  Speaker 1: like there's different ways. Like PR-wise, I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: different way to deal with stink now.
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  Speaker 3: But also people have just– I want to hear what
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  Speaker 3: that is. But they've all just moved on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The world has moved on from those assholes. They're here
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  Speaker 3: at Juicy Scoop. They're watching me on Ask. They've moved
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  Speaker 3: on to more interesting things where people are doing more creative,
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  Speaker 3: interesting stuff than same old, same old.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the internet mob.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Of, oh, my God, they're demanding that Bravo, you know,
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  Speaker 1: hires these people or why is it not, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever they're demanding. This person gets fired. We demand. We demand.
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  Speaker 1: And it was such a literally a small amount of people.
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  Speaker 1: And everybody, like, kowtow, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Caved. Caved to them.
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  Speaker 1: Caved to them. And now it's just like, so what?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like I saw it happen a little bit
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  Speaker 1: with Matt Rife and I haven't talked about it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he got like people like, oh, my God, I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe that he like doubled down on this joke, this
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  Speaker 1: politically incorrect joke on the Internet. I don't even get
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And they're like and people like oh my gosh the
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  Speaker 1: biggest community of the internet is done and i'm like
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  Speaker 1: um cut to like six weeks later he's playing the
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  Speaker 1: hollywood bull right i think he's okay right well it's
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  Speaker 1: fine we can still discuss it but but your power
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  Speaker 1: to like actually take away to convince everybody else that
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  Speaker 1: found someone funny or interesting to never find them funny
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  Speaker 1: or interesting again for a joke it's one thing to
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  Speaker 1: be arrested sexual assault whatever yeah but just oh, they
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  Speaker 1: did a thing that was maybe a little insensitive and
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  Speaker 1: you're a comedian. I don't think, I think the comedians
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  Speaker 1: have taken back some of the power.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. And thank you for doing so. Because as
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  Speaker 3: God is my witness, I kept saying during COVID, where
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  Speaker 3: are the comedians? We need the comedians to speak out.
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  Speaker 3: Because your comedians are supposed to say, be offensive and
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  Speaker 3: make us uncomfortable. It's their job. And I could not
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  Speaker 3: like the comedy. I could not like the comedian. But
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  Speaker 3: because they make me uncomfortable- That's no, that's what they're
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  Speaker 3: supposed to do. And they're supposed to challenge us.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I just think if you had a different opinion
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  Speaker 1: than you were labeled as having a particular opinion on
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  Speaker 1: 12 other subjects.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And so they're like, oh, so if you think like this,
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  Speaker 1: then you think this way on all these things. And
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  Speaker 1: therefore you are public enemy number one. Yes. So you,
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of people would maybe like whisper to
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  Speaker 1: each other, like, I'm not getting vaccinated or whatever. Or, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, something or like, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I remember when you fell and you were in
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  Speaker 3: a red carpet.
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  Speaker 1: No, I wasn't. Oh, on a red carpet. Oh, fainted.
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  Speaker 3: And then I said, you know, you had a classic
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  Speaker 3: POTS syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you think it is. Who knows what it is?
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  Speaker 3: It's POTS. It's when you're standing there and all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden you collapse. I mean, and it could have been, look,
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  Speaker 3: COVID can do it. Vaccine can do it. They can
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  Speaker 3: both do it. Which is more, I have no idea
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  Speaker 3: because they won't do the studies to figure it out,
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  Speaker 3: which is doing this. Did you have COVID also?
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  Speaker 1: I've never had COVID.
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  Speaker 3: So for you, it must have been the vaccine or
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  Speaker 3: it was a spontaneous event, whatever it was. And somebody
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  Speaker 3: asked you in a red carpet, do you think it
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  Speaker 3: was a vaccine? And you were like, can we talk
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  Speaker 3: about this now? Am I allowed to say this?
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  Speaker 1: And no, they never aired that.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm worried that's what happened. I just saw another video
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  Speaker 1: of where- There's a whole thing of everybody fainting on
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  Speaker 1: TV again. And, of course, I'm, you know, in it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm worried that.
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  Speaker 3: Saget, that's what happened to him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He fainted in a bathroom and fell on a marble
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  Speaker 3: floor and then went to bed because his head hurt
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  Speaker 3: and that was the end of that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the other part of it is I don't
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  Speaker 1: think people want to think– And listen, it doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: me feel... I don't know what happened to me, and
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  Speaker 1: I hope that it wasn't... Let's say.
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  Speaker 3: It was the vaccine. It doesn't make the vaccine bad
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  Speaker 3: or a bad idea. Right. Because back when we had
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  Speaker 3: Alpha and Delta, people forget how bad that was. The
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  Speaker 3: vaccine was extremely effective and helpful, even though it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: quite what we thought it was. I'm really glad we
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  Speaker 3: had a vaccine right then, because Alpha and Delta were bad.
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  Speaker 3: And people forget that. They think about Omicron as though
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  Speaker 3: it's always been like Omicron. It's different. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I think the reason, like, look, when they go, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think happened? I'm like, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: was totally better after. I had every test from the
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  Speaker 1: heart to the head to the. And I was fine after.
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  Speaker 1: It's never happened since. However, like. You know, I chose
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  Speaker 1: to get the vaccine. I felt better about knowing that
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't go out and catch it that night. I
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  Speaker 1: never got it. I never have had it. No one
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  Speaker 1: in my immediate family had it.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: You were bragging about the vaccine when you fell down. Exactly.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: And that's why people thought it was like I was
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: telling the world something. But the other flip side of
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, if you got it and you're fine,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: of course you don't want to believe that. that we
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: all are going to fall on our head and die
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: in the next five years.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: There can be risks, and the risk can be worth it.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: But to pretend there's no risk, and we can't talk
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: about the risk, that's the opposite of medicine.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good way to put it.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: You've got to understand the risk and decide the risks
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: are worth it and proceed.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's worth, in the day of Omicron,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: for a 19-year-old male to get boosted. I'm not clear
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: on that. But of course they won't do the research
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: to help me really You know, how right I am
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: or not.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: So anyway, let's talk about fun stuff.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about fun stuff. But, you know, I'm glad
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: you're still around.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not going anywhere.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: And you didn't give up on life because people were
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: mean to you online and didn't invite you to parties.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: One reward. Endless choice. Skip the hassle.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Reward the easy way.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: started crying.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: those hard moments that they go through.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: It's about what happens next.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: But let's talk about something. I want to get your
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: opinion on what's going on with Vanderpump Rules. Now, just
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to fill you in, you know the scandal of where
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Tom Sandoval cheated on his girlfriend of nine years with
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: another cast member. That was a year ago.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: And you remember my Sandoval relationship, right?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Do tell.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Okay. So I did... You'll remember when I prompt you.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: He... He was on Special Forces Season 2.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I was on Special Forces Season 1. They had me
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: do the reunion episode where I sort of had led
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a discussion with the cast from Season 2.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I met Tom there. I didn't really know much about it.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I kind of heard a little bit in the background.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: He seemed like a nice guy. He looked depressed to
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: me at the time. And he said, come on my podcast.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: So I went on his podcast. And we talked all
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: about this stuff. People thought. Felt, I think, like I
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: gave him too much... Grace. Grace.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: But, you know, I mean.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Well, what was your evaluation of him?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Well, what I didn't like that he was busy doing
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: at the time was self-flagellating, beating himself up. I deserve this.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I deserve to be... Dude, like, calm that down. That
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: feels narcissistic. Okay. When you're doing that stuff. It's like, yeah, yeah, okay,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: take the punches. Fine. The world is pissed at you
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: and maybe even hates you. Don't then start... Grab a
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: club and hit yourself over the head. That doesn't feel
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: right to me. He was okay with that. I learned
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: more about their relationship and the therapy they were getting
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: and how desperately bad things were.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Between Ariana and Tom.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Correct. And my thing to him was, why don't you
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: just get out before you did something horrible? And his
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: response at the time was, I tried, I tried, I tried.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: They wouldn't let me, the therapist and Ariana. Ariana, is it?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Adriana? She goes by— everyone says you can say it either way. Ariana, Ariana.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I say Ariana.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: So it was just a messed up situation. Nobody was happy.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: It was one of these— this kind of stuff happens. If
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: people don't take care of business when they know there's trouble,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: whether it's dealing with a mental health issue or dealing
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: with a relationship issue, things progress. And they progressed, and
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: eventually somebody does some stupid shit, and that was him.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Right. Okay, so now they have this explosive reunion from
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: last season. Now we've watched the whole season. which I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: thought was really fascinating to watch. Some people are like,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sick of it. Some people, you know, felt it
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: was boring. I did not at all. I was fascinated
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: by the fact that they were on this TV show.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They are all agreeing to still film. Ariana, meanwhile, got
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: all these opportunities. She's starred in, you know, she got
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. She got a star of the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: play Chicago in New York. Brought tons of brand deals.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Now we just found out that she has a collab
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: with DSW and she sent me the shoes. Very cute.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Did she get into a relationship?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: She met a guy at a wedding. approximately eight days
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: after the explosive breakup. And then.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Eight days after the breakup?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Is when she met him. Then she said... She didn't
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: start dating him eight days after, but she met him
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: eight days after.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Did she keep seeing that therapist they were both seeing, maybe?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know about her therapy, but she met
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: this guy, and then he became her boyfriend.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And then... So they filmed the whole season.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: But when he comes around, she when Tom comes around,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: she she still agrees to film everything and she goes
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to the parties and she goes to the beach. But
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: when he's around, she is a bitch to him. And,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you know, she's just like, please, I don't talk to me.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: And and it is entertaining to watch. So I think
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: she's doing her fucking job. I think she's doing her job.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: She's showing up and she's not hiding her emotions because
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: she hates him. And they're living in the house together
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: because they own it together and neither of them are
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: going to move because they know whoever moves out is
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: going to lose the power and they want to make
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: sure that they get their money. So they're both living
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: in the house. What? I know that sounds insane.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: You sure the show didn't kind of muscle that a
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: little bit?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: No, that I don't think the show muscled at all.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Because they were doing that at the beginning and I
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: thought he was quick, wanted to get out. And then
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden he's staying?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, everyone was like, why doesn't she leave?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, why doesn't he leave?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I smell producers. I don't know.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: No, that part I don't think as a producer. Well,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that one I don't.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Because if she hates him and she's disgusted by him,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: that sounds like torture.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Or does she, if she moved out, wouldn't his life
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: be so easy? And I think sometimes someone hates someone
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: enough that they're like, I'm going to forego my happiness
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a little to make your fucking life horrible. So guess what?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I am fucking staying here.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: People do that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And you can go pick up and leave. And he
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm not leaving. So they both were.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: It was War of the Roses, that movie. They both
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: didn't leave. Timely reference. She was busy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: War of the Roses. Early 80s.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a really good movie. You guys want to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: watch it. It's very funny. I think it was Michael
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Douglas and Kathleen.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Michael Douglas and. Anyway, so they each had like a
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: big primary type of bedroom. So we watch the whole thing.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: We get to the reunion. I mean, to the finale scene.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And they have this party.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: And by the way, before we go to the final finale,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: let's remember that these were people, the two of them,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: that were motivated to keep a shitty relationship. Am I
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: allowed to?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Because of the show. Right. So they are sort of
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: dedicated to being on reality shows and the work they're doing.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And they prioritize that, let's say.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I really think that is why I have
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: dedicated so many years of my life and this podcast
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to analyzing reality shows. Because it really is so interesting.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: You're seeing people's real life. But such a big part
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: of where they are in their relationships, whether it's friendship
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: or romantic or a divorce or whatever, has to do
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: with the show. But the show doesn't want them to say, hey,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: it's because of the show that I'm fucking sitting next
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to this dick because that would be breaking the fourth wall.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Yes. I think a 90 Day Fiancé, which I'm a
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: big fan of.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: All the shows are starting to break the fourth wall now.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Well, not on that wall so much because you could tell.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I'm like, why is she in it? Oh, she wants
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: to be on TV. That's why.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, of course.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: People, the desire to be on television is so crazy
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: to me. People will just, they want to be on
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: TV so badly. They want to be on.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: TV more than they want to be an American citizen.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It's like a double whammy. I can be an American citizen.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I can get on TV and then I'll divorce him.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And then I'm there and I'm famous. It's like the most,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it's the greatest gift to someone who's not living here.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have to fuck some of our ugliest citizens,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: but whatever. It's worth it. I mean, that's a thing.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: But you can't tell. It's hard to tell whether they
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: are or they aren't or what's going on exactly. And
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: then they kind of get– they become sort of a
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: little brand, and then now they're like these two. They're
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: kind of stuck together, working together. It's kind of weird.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And there's two other parts that people aren't aware of
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: that have worked in a reality context is– The people
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: they cast are special. You know what I mean? They
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: don't cast healthy people because healthy people are boring. They
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: just are. I don't begrudge casting people that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I would say if someone gets fired after their first year,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: they should be completely flattered. Like a housewife that only
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: does one year, you should be so flattered. It's because
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you are too normal. You know?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Don't be sad about it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And I like not normal people, so I don't mean
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: to be disparaging. I'm not being disparaging. You were friends
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: with them. I like it. You know what I mean?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, intriguing.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: But then you do the things that producers do, which
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: they have two primary moves. God, I would scream about
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: this on Celebrity Rehab. I finally got them to stop
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: because these were sick people, people in a treatment center,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and they'd start their thing. Which is splitting behavior. They
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: induce splitting.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Explain.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Hey, Heather, do you know what Ariana said about you?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: She said, you said you're a bitch. They'll start feeding
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: information to create a split. Not just a rift, but
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: good guy, bad guy kind of rift. And it gets
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: things going. And then you throw alcohol in and now
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: it's on.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you said that because that is exactly
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: what I think happened at the end of this season. OK,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: so let's just talk about the relationships with the girls.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So we have Ariana and Katie and we have Lala
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: and Sheena. OK, let's just focus on those four women.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And they were all very close at the end of
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: last season at the reunion. They all had each other's back.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: They all had Ariana's back.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Do you ever talk to Lisa about what she thinks
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: about all this stuff?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Lisa Vanderpump? Yeah. I mean, Lisa kind of has taken
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a step back as far as being featured on the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: show as much. She's given... One restaurant is closed. She's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: doing very well in Nevada.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: At the Caesars thing?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got a Caesars one. She's got one in Paris.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: And then she has a new restaurant in Lake Tahoe.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: The sexiest restaurant in all of Nevada. And... I love
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: her so much. And it makes sense that she stepped
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: back a little bit because nobody's really working there anymore.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: So it's not what the show was.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: We need to go have dinner with her because she
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: was bugging us both, right?
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: And I just talked to her because she was doing
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: her charity that she does every year for the dogs
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: but at the park. And there were some protesters that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: came right up on stage.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And she handled it very classy. And so I saw
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the video and I said, you handled it so well.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: She goes, where did you see it? And so I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: sent her the video.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Do you remember when we were back to Cabo and
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Josh Flagg called her and then threw his phone in
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: the ocean by accident? Well, it fell in the ocean.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: It fell in the ocean and then Chris Rangel was like,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I think Melissa Rivers was on the bottom of the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: sea because I think he was trying to Melissa Rivers
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: with the phone and then Susan had to get him
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a new phone. Anyway, getting back to the four of them. Okay,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: so they all have each other's back in the summer
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and they're all utilizing this publicity. So then we start
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: watching the show, and it all seems to be fine.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: But at this finale, at this final party that they're
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: having in San Francisco, you know, Ariana has a conversation
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: with Sheena. Now, Sheena was really trying to push, like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Tom being a great friend to her all these years.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: A friend to Sheena or Sheena to Ariana?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Sheena, this brunette, and Tom Sandoval, they have been platonic
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: friends ever. Throughout all the years that she's been on
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the show. And she always felt he was a wonderful
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: friend to her.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: There could be.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Tom is not a bad person. Right.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Supported her. And so then, of course, another... He's the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: one that would pay for things. Yeah. And... ironically paid
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: for the engagement party between DJ James Kennedy and Raquel,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: who he had the affair with. Oh, boy. So that
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: was very weird that he would pay for that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Do we really know what Raquel's feeling about that relationship
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: with Tom?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Well, she's totally over it.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: She just wants to get behind it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: She's doing a podcast talking about the show, and she
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: wants nothing to do with him romantically.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: It was never really anything in her way of thinking,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: or what was it?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't follow her show that much.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: But, you know, her recovery from it does not involve
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: any relationship with him.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And then how does Ariana treat her?
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Ariana wants nothing to fucking do with Raquel ever. Raquel
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: didn't return to the show.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So she didn't have to deal with her and she
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: certainly didn't want to deal with her because they were
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: quite they were very close prior to it i know
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and so there was a lot of deception so then
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: so ariana's just like You know, I don't understand why
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Sheena thinks that he really cares about her or whatever.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And then he comes up to her, Tom Settle, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: tries to talk to Ariana. And she goes, no. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: she walks away. And then they show her talking to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the producer, taking off her mic, and saying... I don't
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: need to talk to him. You know, this is uninformed consent.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You're forcing me to do this. I don't want to
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: talk to him. I don't have to talk to him.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Again, the producer's hand in there. Right.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: And so, so this guy, Jeremy, you see him and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: she takes off her mic and she leaves. But then
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Lala has this moment where she's like, Oh my God,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Tom Sandoval didn't kill someone. And you know, We all
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: are basically doing our part, and I don't understand why
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: someone gets cheated on and then suddenly Beyonce or God.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: And so a lot of the fans didn't like Lala's
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: reaction to that. It is my opinion that 100% I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: think I've been there. at reality shows as a guest
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a number of times.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Where they're actually filming.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Where they're filming. And I've seen producers... Oh, yeah. Bully
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the cast to make them think that you're boring, make
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: something fucking happen, or you're not going to have a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: job anymore. So I.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: So I remember them doing a lot of that stuff
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: to the Orange County housewives.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Is that where you saw it?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I saw it, yes. I went to a party.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Because they would just go, hey, guys, this last season,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: we told you the ratings were down. If you want
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: to have another season, you better go beat, you know, whatever,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: scream at so-and-so. Yeah. And they go and do it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so it's like, So I believe that they
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: were getting a lot of pressure off camera.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: For sure. No doubt.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Saying, you guys, this show is not going to continue
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: unless you talk to Tom Sandel, hang out with Tom Sandel,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and Ariana has to, too. So convince her to talk
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to him, too. But then Ariana was like, you see
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: her on camera saying, I... I know what's going on here.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Tom's gonna weasel his way into sweet Sheena's life again.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Sheena's gonna convince Lala and the others to take him back.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: And guess who's gonna be left on the outside? Me.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what he did. And when she left,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: because she's like, I'm not gonna let him have this
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: moment on camera for the world to see. For him
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to act and finally apologize. When we lived in the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: same house for all these months, he could have left
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: me a letter on the counter apologizing. He had all
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: these other opportunities to apologize to me privately and off camera.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Now he's going to do it in a tux at
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the finale. No, no. And then she also says, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: in her confessional, she goes, He was cheating on me.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: He could have given me a deadly STD. No one
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: seems to care about that, but I'm supposed to stand
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: here at a party and be like, okay, accept your
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: apology so that the show goes on for everybody else.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: But that's where they were bullying the other cast members,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: making them feel if Ariana doesn't do all of this,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: then the show is going to end and your money
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: train is going to end. And so they sort of
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: were panicking and they were like, well, we're going the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: extra mile. We don't want to be here. We don't
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: want to talk to these people.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: We don't want to.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And so then they got a little angry at her.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: And now the.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Now she's on the outs.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: So now it's Sheena and Lala like kind of versus
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Katie and Ariana. And when really it's unfortunate because the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: fans are like the four of you women could have
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: banded together and made a great TV show together and
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: not been bullied by the men in the cast and
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the men. controlling the producing of this show. And I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: really think that would happen. So to give Lala and
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Sheena some grace.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Do we know that it was males monkeying with the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: behind-the-scenes stuff?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Well, the male they show, Jeremy, is a man.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Because you don't know who was in Tom's ear.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And we don't know what Lisa was saying to people
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: for all that. I mean, she's always very forgiving. She's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: very motherly.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: She.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: The few scenes she has was, you know, was, well,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: are you bored of it? Not bored.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Not bored. I don't know what to say.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: So what would you tell this group? Now let's hear
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: your opinion. How do you think, what if they call you?
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: How many seasons have they done?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. Now, now they took a big break. Now they said,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: we're not going to pick up cameras in the summer.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And they normally do. Which Lala's pregnant. And so it's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: kind of nice that she has the summer off. Okay.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Except she's going to be very pregnant.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: But also she was trying to get pregnant at this time.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: So I want to say, to give Lala a little
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: bit of grace, she was doing insemination. So she had
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: to take the hormone shots. She's doing it on her own.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: She's a single mom by choice.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Where is she getting the sperm?
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: She went through a sperm donor thing. And so it's like.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: You know, and this is your livelihood that led to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: all these other things, including all the things that led
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to Ariana. So they all got something from the show.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: So in their arguments with her, yes, a big part
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: of is we need to keep this show going for
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: all of us. But if you take the show away
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and you're just watching it from home– You're like, leave
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Ariana alone. She should never have to fuck with this
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: dick again. And that's where I find it's so interesting.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And the comments and everything are really insightful on all sides.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: But most people are Team Ariana on it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: And do they still want her to come back and
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: reunite with the other three?
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they decided to take the break
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: for the summer because they're like, we need people to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: grow and heal and get over this.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: No way what?
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: That they did that.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: What do you mean no way that they did what?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: They're either getting ratings and going to production or they don't.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: They don't go, oh, let's give them some time to heal.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: I've never seen a reality show ever do anything like that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: That's what the story is. So what do you think
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the truth is?
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: The truth is there wasn't money or there wasn't ratings
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: or something. If there were ratings, they would go. Unless
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: multiple people were refusing to film for some reason, like
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: other than Ariana. Because then the whole season would have been,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: how do we get her back in? What do we do?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And she's upset. I don't know.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: So you think the show could be in trouble in
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: coming back? Or that version of it, that cast of it?
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: There's something amiss. Something is up.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Something is up. Are people that interested? Yes. But, I mean,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: does it feel like... Do you know what the ratings
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: have been? No, I don't know what the ratings have been.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Some people say, Heather, stop talking about it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: But I... Because it involves... For me, I find it
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: so interesting because it's like because it is producers bullying,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. It's jealousy as far as getting other opportunities.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: It's fear that the opportunities may dry up.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: It's so weird.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: It's real friendships.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: It's real friendships.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And then thinking that the real friendship wasn't a real friendship.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was a TV friendship. It's a lot going on.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Then you're a young mom. And, you know, or you
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: want to be a mom, like they're at an age
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: in their early to mid thirties, which is kind of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: like a come to Jesus age. So I think that's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: why it's so intriguing.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: There's another layer on this that nobody knows unless you've
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: been in there, which is that there's an intensity to
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: being in a reality program. Like, I don't know how
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: to describe it, except that everything is very intense. The
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: camera's following you around all the time. Everything's lit. People
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: don't understand there's lighting everywhere. And there's a sound guy
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: following the camera. And there's a guy with a cable
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: wrapping up. I mean, there's three, there's, you know, when
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: you see these intimate scenes, there's six, at least six
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: of the people in the, in the room with them.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: In the intimate scene. At least six other people, sometimes
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: eight or 10. And so, you know, this is reality, but, but, and,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: and it, and the other thing that's so weird, it's
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: bizarre how quickly you forget the cameras are there. Even
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: though there are people scurrying around, you just, You can't
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: keep it top of mind all day long. You just
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: forget they're there. And again, there's this intensity. Everyone kind
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: of knows they're on camera and the lights and stuff.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: It's a weird psychological phenomenon. So all these relationships are
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: sort of intensified by just being on that show, whether
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: it's a friendship, whether it's an affair, whether it's a
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: romantic relationship. They become sort of, let's say, amplified. If
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: not false, you know what I mean? Like you might
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: not be– it's like if you were on a sinking
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: ship together, you would be bound together by the trauma
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: with whoever happened to be there. Even though those are
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: people you may not be friends with if you had
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: a choice, right? Right. And that kind of thing happens
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: in reality shows, I'm convinced, a lot. Okay.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of all of that, if there was an
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: opportunity to say we're going to film a special thing.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to sit down and talk to them.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: With Dr. Drew and the group Therapy.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I think I would have to get— I know you haven't.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: You'd have to watch it all.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: No, no. I'd have to get Tom and Ariana first.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Get them along.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I'd have to get them along and figure out what
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: the hell's going on there. And then I'd have to
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: get— I' d have to find out what really is going on
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: with the one he had the affair with, too. And
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: then the two of them. Oh, she's not on the
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: show anymore.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: She's done. Forget about her.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Then the other one that— who was the one that
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: said that Ariana's Beyonce? Lala. Lala. So you've got to
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: get them together and see how we can deal with that.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, they taped the reunion. The reunions... You can
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: watch the reunion, but I'm just saying.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: But the reunions are never healing.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: They're inflaming.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I think there could be another
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: thing where... No, we.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Could bring them back together. It'd be very... That would
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: be interesting.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: To whether what their motivations are, how honest I think
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: they are. That's another.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: And I mean, the truth is, maybe there are... Maybe there...
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: You know, people do work together and have fun on
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: camera and they know that the fans love that they're
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: quote unquote friends.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: And they love their work.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: But also there's times, even no matter what, where they're...
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: it might come out like, I don't really like you
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that much. I don't really enjoy you. I don't, I
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: don't really.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: We wouldn't be friends outside of this.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think you're that genuine. Like, sure. We
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: have a couple moments where I've been sweet and you've
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: helped me out with an outfit and we've had a chuckle.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: But the truth is like, are we really, really real friends,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: like sisters? Maybe not.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: If I'm, if I'm say I'm involved with those two,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Lala and Ariana discussing that very issue. You know, this
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: used to happen in celebrity rehab all the time. I'd
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: have to sit there and think and try to sort out,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: is that denial? Is that mental illness? Is that a
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: personality problem? Or they just don't want to reveal this
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: on television, which they're entitled not to do. You understand?
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: They don't have to reveal everything they're thinking and feeling.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: They don't. It's up to them.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: She said that one thing Ariana said was like, To
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: anyone that says I should have talked to Tom, I'll
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: have you– why don't you read my contract that says
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I don't have to do anything I don't want to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: that I wouldn't deem as something I would do in
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: real life or something like that. The way she said it,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: she was very prepared. In all of the interviews that
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: she's done throughout this whole thing, she was quite inflamed
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and vicious to Rachel Raquel. She goes by both names
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: or whatever. At the reunion because it was so fresh
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: off the thing. But since then, whether it's Watch Hums
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Live or an after show interview or a confessional, she's
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: really come like very articulate and explaining herself. And one
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of the things she does is like, she is like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I have boundaries now.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: So she probably has had some therapy. Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: So I think the boundaries are not just with Tom.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, sure.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I think the boundaries are with the producers. I think
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the boundaries are with The other cast members forcing her,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: maybe were feeling like, I don't have to do this.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And their argument is, well, you never did that much
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: for the seven years prior, and you knew that he
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: was a cheater, and you got with him, and you cheated, whatever,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the way they got together all these years.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: He was a cheater before?
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Ariana and he had a moment or cheated before he
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: left his other girlfriend.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: I see, that's right.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Then they got together, and then there were a couple...
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: moments where they're like, oh, there was this girl in
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Miami that showed up and Ariana was like, la, la, la, la,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Still, that was seven, eight years ago.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And yeah, did she maybe like the situation of being
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: with this cute guy? Now she's on TV. Is it
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: kind of an easy life? She didn't really do hard
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: carrying of the show as far as like scenes and stuff.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: She just sort of was a backseat driver, but still
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a main cast member. But so what if that's what
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: she was seven years ago? Like, so what? This is
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: who she is now.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Yep. Yep.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: You know? Yep.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: So it is. So, okay. So we'll have that moment
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: where you bring them together.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: So let's do that. Let's do it on Juicy Scoop.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Listen, if I could have it on Juicy Scoop, I'm
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: just saying it also, brother, if you'd like.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: That would be juicy.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: But if you'd also like to give Dr. Drew the opportunity.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: A new job.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: And then James Kennedy is the one who's really come off.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: really well this year. He's funny. He stood up for Ariana.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: He's been nice to Tom, but he's also had moments
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: where he's been up front with Tom. And then he's
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: smart because he had a talent that he pursued, which
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: is a really talented DJ. He's young and To me,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's really great because if this show ends, if.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: He walks away from.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: It, when the show ends or whatever, if he's not
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: a regular on TV anymore, he can still be a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: really talented DJ and work.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do a show once called After Reality
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: or something. What happens to people? Remember, I was on
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Big Brother 1. Somebody's written a book about Big Brother
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: history now. It's interesting. And he went and interviewed a
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: lot of these people that were on that season, and
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: they all thought they were big stars, and then nothing.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: And I don't know what that does to people.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Wait, so wait, you were on Big Brother 1?
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I was a commentator. It was me, Julie Chen, who
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I ran into in the airport randomly the other day.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: And this one other woman who was the Google woman
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: or something. No, no, no. What was it before that
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: dial-up company? AOL. She was the AOL person. And that
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: was it. The three of us did commentary on the
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: show on Thursdays. We did a live show.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think when you're on a really
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: long time, it's different than when you're just– I think
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: when you're on it like The Bachelor or whatever, I
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: do think it can hurt your future romantic relationships. Because
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: if you're not the 3% that pops and gets a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: career from being on it, And, you know, becomes an
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: influencer and then goes on five other shows after and
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: gets a podcast or whatever. It's like, I think that's
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: a turnoff. Like if you meet somebody and they're like, ew,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: but you know what? He was on The Bachelor or
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: she was on The Bachelorette, you know, or whatever. Like,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's, I think people might not take
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: you seriously as a romantic partner if you've been on
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: these dating shows on TV. Because I saw it for
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the little, for the only one episode I did of Studs.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Tell me about this.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: When I was on Studs, which was on a show
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: one night a week. I mean, five nights a week.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Hosted by Mark DiCarlo.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Yes. And we went on a date. Cameras did not
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: follow us. And it was three girls and two guys.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: So the guys went on three dates and the girls
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: went on two. And then the producers would talk to us.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And that was the first time I had a producer
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: say something I didn't say. Manipulate you.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Manipulate you.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I said, well, I wasn't into him. My mom thought
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: he was nice looking. And then the line that I
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: was supposed to say was, who said, then they'd ask guys,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: which girl said he had a face only a mother
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: could love? And I was like, and I remember he
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: told me he was going to say that before. And
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I remember him saying that I go, that is too mean.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I go, listen, I'm Christian. Like, that's like so mean.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: It's not true. He's not a bad looking guy. I
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: was just telling you details of what my family thought,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Too bad.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And anyway, so I got it. I won. We went
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: on like one date after. We never went on the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: date to Baja, California or whatever. And then– but– As
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I'd be out a couple years later, like, everybody saw
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the show. I went back to SC, and, like, I'd
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: be walking through campus, and guys would be like, studs! Like,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. That's honestly when I got the first
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: taste of fame. And in the summer, on a Thursday
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: night at Stratton's in Westwood, everyone from SC and UCLA
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that stayed home for the summer would go there, and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: it was fucking popping off. Jell-O shots. It's two stories.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: This would have been 1990, the summer of 91.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: 91.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: So my show comes out, and that night I go
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: out to dinner. I go out there. It aired at 7.30,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: and then I go to the bar at 9, like
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: with Shannon or whatever.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: That was when television had power.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was a big long line to get in,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: and I had my black romper on from Express, and I...
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: It was so good. It was a halter and it
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: was just the best going out of it. And all
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, the whole line is like, that girl
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: was on studs, that girl was on studs, that girl.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: And I was like, and I remember that I was like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I love this.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, you liked it?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I loved it.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Interesting. I remember some people get really uncomfortable.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: No, I liked it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: And so when people talk about, oh, it's so difficult
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: to be famous. Oh, you don't understand how difficult it
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: is for XYZ actor. I always was very suspicious of that.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Because they get to sit where they want. They get
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: to move around the way they want.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: The fame part of people coming up to you and everything,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: to me, I love every second of that. But I'm
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: not so big that I can't go out. I don't
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: have a million cameras and security guards.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: No, but we like people. So if people come up
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: to us, I'm like, great. I love people. It's terrific.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: But I think a lot of these actors and actresses
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: don't like people. And so people coming up, it's.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Like, ugh. Well, yeah. Sometimes, I mean, there's a lot
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: of people that are like introverts. that are really great actors.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I remember when... But you.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Would think that would help them get over their introversion
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: if they had somebody kind of approaching them as opposed to...
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I'm an introvert, naturally, and so.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: It's hard to be Who was Alex Baldwin's ex-wife, mom
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: of Ireland? Kim Basinger. Yeah. I remember when she won
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: an award and she was shaking like a leaf and
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, And then it came out later, I
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: have extreme anxiety in front of people. I'm like, but
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you're an actor. But then I'm like, oh, but that's
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: different because you're on a small, close set. You're acting.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: You're not a stand-up. You're not whatever. But then there's
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of stand-ups that can get up and do
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: the greatest job of stand-up. And the last thing they
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: want to do, they won't do meet and greets. They
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: don't want to be around people. So it's like everybody's different.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: There's not. And so, but I remember I always wanted
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: to be like an actress and comedian, something. So I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: got a little taste of it and I liked it.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: But because it was a dating thing, I'd be out
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: at like 12th Street in Manhattan Beach and talking to
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: some cute guy I'd like to go on a date with.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: And then his friend would be like, oh my, oh,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you know, she was on studs. And I remember this
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: guy being like, ew, you were? And he was like
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: immediately turned off. So that can happen too, you know?
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: The only person I have, although Mike Hathaway and I,
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: we were doing Loveland Radio, we were actually on The
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Bachelor one time. We had some of The Bachelor, what
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: are the contestants called? Yeah. Bachelorettes sort of on the
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: show with us. But the only other contact I've had
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: with those shows is, is Hannah Brown was in the
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: desert with me. Yeah. And she was lovely.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, just, you wouldn't even think of, I mean,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even occur, if I were a young man
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: and I was on a date with Hannah Brown, I
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be thinking about The Bachelorette. She's that kind of lovely.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying with everybody, I'm just saying it could be, if,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like, okay, if you screwed all three guys,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you know, when you have your, you know, fantasy suites.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We're talking about The Bachelorette.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: The Bachelorette. And then you pick one.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: And then it doesn't work out with him.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: And, yeah.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Listen, if the guy doesn't like you, it's not meant
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: to be. But I'm saying it might be a challenge
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: in finding a life partner with It might. Because it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: not just you. It's the stigma of the rest of
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: your family and everything knowing that you were on this show,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: that you've already been engaged, that you already had people kneel.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: People kind of know.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Let me ask this. Do you think the Bachelorette?
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I would care.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: I think this is a fascinating topic.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: I want to say, before people come after me, I
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: wouldn't care. And obviously, if a guy cares, he's not
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Here's the question. Do the Bachelors get less problems than
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: the Bachelorettes?
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Totally, I think so. Just like guys may not want
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: to date a female comic, but for a girl to
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: date a male comic, it's really cool and fun. There's
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: just more... that find it appealing. It's not that no
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: one finds it appealing. There's just more women that find
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: it appealing that a man is a standup than the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: amount of men that find it sexually appealing that a
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: girl is a standup.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Back to the bachelor versus bachelorette. Mae West is famous
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: for having said that men want a woman with history
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: because they believe history will repeat itself. Oh, so a
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: lot of men don't care. Good.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope they don't. Um, Okay, so let's talk about,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about Baby Reindeer on this show.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: But I want to get your opinion of the real
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Fiona that appeared on Piers Morgan. What is going on there?
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: I did a, like, it was a long interview on
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: a panel with Piers on this topic. So I watched
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: the interview. I don't know her. I don't know what's real.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I have no idea on anything. Only the evidence will
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: speak for itself. However, there are two things that I
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: came with with big question marks over my head. One
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: was that Netflix, at the end of the movie or
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: the series, has her going to court and going to prison.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: There's no record of that anywhere. There's no record of
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: her going to court. She denies it. So that appears
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: to be untrue.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: However, I want to just interrupt because when talking about
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: this on my other show, they said it is very,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to find, records are very easier
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: buried in the UK. And also she did have a
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: name change.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: But there's armies of people sleuthing over things.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: So 100% she didn't go to prison. That was my
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: understanding to begin with.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: That's my understanding that there's a suit underway on that
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: particular issue.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: She's suing.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: She's suing Netflix now. And I was on with Mark Garagos,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: and he was saying the attorneys that work with Netflix
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: are top-notch. They would not allow them to get up
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and say, this is based on a true story. It
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: is a true story, essentially what they're saying, unless they
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: had overwhelming evidence to that effect. Now, did they monkey
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: with it a little bit here and there, and the
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: majority of it is true? I have no idea. His
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: history is such that his memories are going to be
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: distorted and weird too.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Richard Gadd.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Richard Gadd. He's doing drugs. He had horrible trauma stuff.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: The trauma that he discusses in the movie, I don't
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: see anywhere where he talks about any antecedent trauma in
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: childhood except that his father, Richard Gadd's father, had also
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: even sexually abused, I guess, in childhood, which the probability
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: then is that Richard was also sexually abused in childhood,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: so he could distort things that are coming at him,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: add drugs and alcohol. It's all over the place. However,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: he claims he has 31,000 emails and 106 handwritten letters.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: If he has those, it's going to be pretty hard
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: to refute some of the claims in the movie. But
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: there is one other thing that really bothered me. So
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: one issue is that she didn't seem to go to
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: prison or court at the end, in reality. But the
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: other is she dealt with some reporter or something. I
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: don't remember exactly what the story was, but apparently after
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: that whatever that story was filed, she called that reporter
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: something like 50 or 75 times. And I thought, oh, well,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: people don't just do that once. That is a thing.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: And then there are other people that have claimed that
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: she's been harassing and come after them. And she has
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: all kinds of explanations for it. So there's three possibilities
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: for her. She's telling the truth and the other guy's
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: wrong or whatever, it's distorted or made up, whatever. She
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: knows the truth. but is unable to come to terms
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: with it, which is probably the least likely. It's probably
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: not volitional lying. There's another category that people with certain
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: personality disorders, they literally don't perceive reality accurately. They believe
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: the things they're saying. And when presented with the evidence,
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: it's like arguing with a flat earther or something. Like
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: she said, well, what if they present, Pierce said, what
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: if they present you the 106 letters? She goes, I
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: wrote him one. So the other 105 must have been
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: written by him copying my handwriting.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Right, forging.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, forging it. And I'm telling you, those people can
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: pass a lie detector test. I worked in a psychiatric
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: hospital for 35 years. I can't tell you how many
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: times I went in a room, had an interaction with
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: a patient, and the patient came out and said, I
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: assaulted her or something. And I always brought somebody with
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: me because that happened a lot.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: They would say you assaulted them.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Or something.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: You hit on them.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're crazy accusations that would fly around. Some
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: of them would then go to the state that I'd
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: have to write everything that happened and defend myself and stuff. And,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: of course, I always have a witness, so it's not
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: even close to what happened. But that happens way, way,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: way more than you imagine when people have certain psychiatric disturbances.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Way more.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: So my question is, you know, in this world of...
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: you know, being a standup or a podcaster and stuff and,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: and in the internet world where, you know, people can
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: write you some stuff. And I once had this, people
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: can write you some stuff. They can write, they can
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: write stuff like, like comments and to you and you
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: can reckon, you know, and you sort of recognize the
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: same person keeps writing.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yes.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: And so there, years ago on my like fan Facebook page,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: which wasn't like a, that big of a thing, Every
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: time I posted something, there would be this guy that
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: would write almost the same thing, which was nice. But
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: it was weird that it was– your hair looks so
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: good like that. Well, I always wear my hair the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: same way.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Go on. And I had some people that then would
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: be like, I think you should be aware of this person. Like,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: this is weird and da-da-da. And my thought was– He's
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: not doing anything mean now. If I block him or something,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: then that could set him off. Let him write a
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: comment about my hair a thousand times. He's not writing
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: a thousand times. He'd just write it once. I don't
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: even know where he is today. He probably moved on.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: So my question is to you, what is your advice?
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Where do you block? like was blocking. Some people get
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: really upset when you block them. But I also feel
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: like for other people that are not psychos, I feel
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: like just people that are haters, I do like to
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: block them because I think my happiness triggers them.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, sure.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: And I'd rather them not see my happy life and
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: then forget that I exist and then move on to
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: someone else.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, haters are not stalkers.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. So I think there's, like,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: a difference of what... That's what I'm saying. With a hater,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: who cares? Block him. But, like, where do you... What's
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: your advice to someone that's dealing with someone that's, like, teetering? Like,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you know the police... You're not at a level where
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: the police would do anything.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: You want them to kind of go away, but you
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: want to, like, do it gently so that they don't...
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: It doesn't escalate.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: And you've had... people in your life that have been
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: sort of quasi, you know, we've talked about on the
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: show before. So you're familiar with this, right? You've actually
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: managed it very, very, very well, right? There's two sort
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: of flavors of stocking on the two extremes. One is
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: called simple stocking, and it's actually the hardest one to manage.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: And simple stocking has a big range within it, but
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: it can go on forever. It can go for decades.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: And If you respond to it literally in any way,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: you're just kind of resetting the clock, keeping it going.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: You have to distance yourself. Be prepared that... they could
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: make contact. They can be aggressive. They could be dangerous
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: in terms of legal action and who knows what. So
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: you have to really be very careful. Keep an eye
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: on them. But you do not block. You do not
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: call law enforcement. Any of that really keeps it going. unfortunately.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: You should make a record of it and you should
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: keep copies of everything and maybe even file a police
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: report but say, look, I'm just doing it to get
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: it on the record here. But simple stalking is really,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: really tough to manage in my experience.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I just saw that and I don't know all the
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: details of it, but I follow Nikki and Courtney Sixx.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Nikki Sixx of Motley Crue. And they both had posted,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: they're married, they both had posted like, hooray after eight
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: years of are stalkers finally behind bars. And they've been
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: dealing with this for eight years. This woman, you know,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: delusions and, you know, they had to move, security. I mean,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know all the details, so I don't know
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: what it was.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Now you're getting into psychotic stalking, which is the other
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: end of the extreme. I had a psychotic stalker. He
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: was a meth addict who was... Did I ever tell
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: you this story?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Can I tell it here?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, please do.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: I get this... I remember I was on the internet
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: and I saw, I came upon, or I was, maybe
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: I was, I think it was the time of MySpace even.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Somebody started repeating these ridiculous, weird things to me about
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: I was coming after him and what I was doing
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: to him and I was tormenting him and I needed
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: to stop. And I was like, who is this guy?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: How weird. And I kind of think I clicked through
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: even or something. And then I just didn't even think
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: about it. And fast forward three or four months and
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: I get a summons from the Santa Monica court, which
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: I messed up our justice system is, small claims court.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: I had to appear on a middle of the day
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: in Santa Monica a month from then because this guy
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: made a claim that I had put a device in
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: his tooth whereby I could force him to have erections.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: I wanted to just go to the court and go,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: are you kidding me? You take this stuff and you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: arrest him right there or take him to a psychiatrist?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I was so delusional. I was so furious. And then
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: I'm looking and I'm going, why that name sounds familiar?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I think it's that same name, that guy on the MySpace.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: So I go through and he's got a huge website
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: dedicated to me. And then I heard, oh, my God,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: about a week ago, At K-Rock, when somebody was driving
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: out of the parking lot, some guy jumped on the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: hood of the car and started screaming about me. I'd
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: heard about that also. I thought, oh no, this is
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: this whole thing. Now he's very close. Yeah, he was
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: waiting at the radio station. Yeah. And then Susan gets
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: into it and she goes down the rabbit hole. He's
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: got hundreds and hundreds of pages dedicated to how he's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: going to kill me and the boys. Your sons? And
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: eat them in front of her and all this crazy stuff.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: And So she calls the cops. This is my proudest
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: moment of Susan's life for me. The cop's in there
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: and she goes, look at this. Look at what he's doing.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: He's talking about killing my kids. She goes, hey, the cop.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: She goes, you need to get him. You understand me?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: Because if you don't, I'm not afraid to die. I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: will go get him. And you don't want that because
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not afraid to die. He's talking about killing my kids.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: They're like, calm down, Mrs. Biscuit. Relax. Relax. We're going
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: to go after this guy. And they found him living
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: in the Pierce College Library down in the valley, Northridge, right?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Woodland Hills.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: No, that's where I am. Yeah. And he was homeless,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: meth addict, spent the nights in the library and used
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: their computers. And just was going berserk.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: And then what happened?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: Well, the L.A. District Attorney has a very fine stalking unit.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Because somebody was killed, I forget, about 20 years ago. Rebecca.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Rebecca Schaefer.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: And they take it very seriously. And they got him.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: And I was dealing with an attorney who now is
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: a judge. And she was like, well, what do you
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: want to do? I go, let's get the guy treatment.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a meth addict. This is exactly what
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I advocate, forced treatment. And she was like, oh, my God,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: I've never dealt with anything. Normally they want him behind bars.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: They want to punish. Like, the guy's sick. Give him
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: a chance. If he blows it then, then he goes
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: behind bars. No problem. He went to a dual diagnosis
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: program for like two years and did well. I heard
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: a little bit of something about a year ago, and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: then nothing makes sense.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: You mean he reached out to you about a year ago?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: In a bad way. Oh, okay. Not a good way,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: like psychotic again. But, you know, that's the way addiction is.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: It kind of can come back.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, now let me ask you this. Us talking about it,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: does that make you scared that he might be a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: juicy scooper?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoopers are very lovely and very interesting. They're not
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: like this guy, I promise. They're not a homeless guy
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: on a tent.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: But what if he was still following you, and then
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: he saw that you were on my show, and then
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: he listened to you, and then that would trigger him
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: to feel so special that you told the story?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Well, the psychotic stalkers are different. If you were a
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: simple stalker, yeah, it would be a problem. Psychotic stalkers
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: are— I' ve had some simple stalkers I'm not mentioning.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: And psychotic stalkers, they're just psychotic. Okay.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: And they need to be treated, yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: OK.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Interesting. OK. Dorit and PK of Real Housewives of Beverly
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Hills are broken, are separated. And I wanted to just
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: get your opinion about marriages that end up breaking up
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: after because they have been on the show for years.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: He was married before and had older kids, but they've
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: been together like eight or 14 years. They've been together
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: He looks a bit older, too. Yes.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, he got so mad at me because I thought
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: there was a bigger age difference. And he wrote me
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and he said, they're only eight and a half years apart.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: She's like 47 and he's 56.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: He looks a little older than that. And it got,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: bless his heart, maybe a bad picture. I don't know.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Whatever. So that's the thing. So they're not that far apart. Yeah.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: But because when in talking about the relationship, I was like, oh,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: that's a big age difference. And he's like, it's not
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: that big of an age difference. So anyway, so, but whatever.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: When they came on the show, now obviously she, like
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: most people, loves being on the show, loves the fame,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: got very into fashion and everything.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: And this past season they shared that it wasn't great.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Like she did share.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: That their marriage isn't great.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: It was great. And then the rumors were that the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: producer said, if you don't reveal the truth about the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: state of your relationship with PK, your husband- then you
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: will not be asked back to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Sure enough, they announced the separation. The next day, she
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: got her contract to be a regular player again, a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: cast member. And what is your opinion of why a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: relationship can be so strained on a reality show?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: You know, whenever people have come around, Susan and myself
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: and talked about being on a reality show, whatever it is,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: even makeover show, home makeover shows and stuff. Uh, we,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: we look at each other and go, no marriages survive
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: the cameras. The reality cameras, it's a strange thing. The
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: only thing I can think of is Ozzie and Sharon.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: They managed to survive it, but they live in different countries.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: But they really didn't survive it. After that, he had
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: a full-blown affair with the hairdresser. She's talked about breaking
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: up with him. He's a serial cheater. He's a drug addict.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: She's the biggest enabler of any... person I've ever seen
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: on television so but no so I don't think they
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: did survive Chris and Bruce now Caitlin obviously didn't survive
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: there's been so many housewives.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Marriages nobody survives.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think who has survived so.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: The question is are they selecting for dysfunctional relationships when
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: they cast it which I'm sure they're not again healthy
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: is not interesting and or is it something about the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: cameras I have talked to people about it over the years,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: and they've always said that, you know, when you have— first
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: of all, when you have to relive the fights.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: That is difficult.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Because you live— yeah, you're right. I can't—oh.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: By the way, you're reliving it— I've never thought.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: About reliving the fight on camera.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: And when you're reliving it, it's like six or eight
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: months later.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: You've gotten over it. You've forgotten about it. Now, there
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: it is again.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Right. And then now— the difference of if you were
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: on a reality show like The Osbournes, whatever, which was
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: more of a comedy 15, 20 years ago. Now, it's
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: the next day, I'm talking about it. All these other
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: shows are talking about it. You TikToks and comments and
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: everybody has it. Every woman that watches the show has
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: an opinion, whether you were a bitch or he was
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: a dick or whose fault it was. And they're in
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: your ear.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And there's sort of something about seeing it on
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: a screen with, you know, a two shot versus your
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: memory of it when you're directing your anger at the other.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It's sometimes people don't like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: how they come off. They don't like how they distorted
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: the situation or they see it more clearly from the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: standpoint of the fact that they should have been more angry. Right?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: They should have been more pissed. It gets through even better,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: more realistically.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't notice that dismissive moment.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: And by the way, there may have been something that
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: they follow with him afterwards where he's muttering something under
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: his breath or something. Right. Who knows? And so it
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: just becomes a big problem for people. Yeah, you don't
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: think about it, right?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: What I want to know is, what I would love
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: is if couples, and they probably can't do this, or
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: maybe they can once, if they survive and they both
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: get off the show. Like, okay, Lisa Renna, she was,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you know, left the show. I don't know if she
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: was asked back. We still don't know if it was mutual, whatever.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think she has any desire to come back,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: but you never say never. She's gone on to do
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of cool things this year.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: Was I with you when we had dinner with them
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: at the pub?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Lisa Renna was just joining the show.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: We had dinner that night.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: And her husband was there, too.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Harry Hamlin, yeah.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: And I found out he was from Pasadena. I got
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: his whole history.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: He grew up a couple blocks from me where I
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: grew up. It was crazy.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, they've been together forever, and I think because she.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Was so savvy about the show and people didn't like
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: that they thought that she was sort of a self-producer
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: and kind of a darling producer. But she came from
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: TV and she's a good actress, whatever. She was fun
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: to watch. They survived. But what I would, what I
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: really would love is like to get the two of
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: them to be like, Tell me about the times that
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: you guys sat around, no cameras in your bed and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: were like, this is, this is what happened tonight. They're
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: going to ask me tomorrow with the cameras are there.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to, you're going to ask me about my
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: trip and we're going to go through it. And I'm
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: going to tell you that Erica Jane said this or whatever,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: but like, Like, I want to know if they said, look,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: the only reason that Harry Hamlin and I survived is
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: because we were ahead of the game. Because we came
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: from TV, we had these planned moments. We never ignored
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: each other. When the cameras were gone, we were in
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: our bedroom.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Or when it started to get rough, that's when she left, maybe.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Didn't Lisa Kudrow show the comeback?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: That show, and I told Lisa Kudrow that.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Best show ever.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: The original comeback.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Yes. The first season.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Was so ahead of its time.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, so ahead of its time.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: I completely agree.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: That it was just too clever.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: The second one was good, too.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: The second one was good, but the first one was
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: just beyond brilliant in every way. But I'm like, I
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: think maybe people like you and I loved it because
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: it was so on the nail. I had whatever nail
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: on the head. It was so good.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: So that show and then Unreal.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Those are the two that really like were real. That's
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: what I could name the people that they were making
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: fun of.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I come up with TV show
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: ideas and movies all the time. And I don't care.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I put them out there because I will not have
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: time to execute it myself. And I'm OK with someone
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: doing it so I can enjoy watching it. Well, listen,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: there is nothing I would rather watch tonight. than a
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: series on a streaming show that is the unreal version
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: of a Real Housewives thing. Where they film it like Unreal,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: which was about The Bachelor, but it's about Real Housewives.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: And it's all scripted. And we're seeing the Lisa Rinna,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Harry Hamlin trying to go, look, I'm not going to
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: fucking lose my marriage over this, but I'm staying on
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: this show. The girls are becoming models. All you have
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: to do is make a blueberry pie one time. And
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go tell, I'm going to start a
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: rumor that Yolanda has Munchausen's and then I'm going to,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: you know, fight with Kyle about her sister and go, what?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Did I say that? I'm going to act like I
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: didn't know what I was saying. And he's like, and
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: she's like, and then you don't have to do any
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: shitty movies in Canada anymore. So shut the fuck up.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: And because I do feel like the little bit that
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I've seen her talk and we've DM'd a couple of times,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: I truly do believe she is relieved at this point
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: in her life as a six-year-old woman who's doing great
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: and is still married and her family stayed intact and
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: her daughters are doing well. I do feel like she's the,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: maybe she is the one. And I said, I would
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: love for you to come back on and you don't
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: even have to talk about housewives. We can just do
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: like hot topics. And she just said, nope.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I didn't, I didn't take it personally. Listen,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: if I was, if I was her, I'd be gun
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: shy about trusting anybody too. I really would.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Especially if they were pulling something behind the scenes.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I said. We didn't even have
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: to talk about housewives. You can just talk about your,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: the modeling.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: I've known her for a long time. She's lovely.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I've always really, really liked her. And I'm like, but yeah,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: this is where I'm like, this is where the intrigue
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: comes because, you know, and then when this becomes your
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: career for so long and you're at, The money, you know,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: because in the beginning you make no money, right?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: And now you're at the close to a million a year.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: God, do they get that much? They get that much
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: in these shows?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: When you get to the top, when you get to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: like year six or seven and you're a real big player. Wow.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: But then they start knocking you off.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Because they need to save the money.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Save the money and bring in younger girls. But then
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: you're like, well, I'm not ready to give up. I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: don't know how else I'll get a million dollars. Because
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: even with a brand deal or not, they're not million-dollar deals.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: And if I don't have a business like Lisa, which
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: is other shows and restaurants or whatever, what are we
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: really going to do?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: No, I get that. That's why people get desperate to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: stay on these things. And that's why I wanted to
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: do something called After Reality to.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: See how people do manage. And then the fans are like, well,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: she had a boring storyline. What do you mean? You
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: want her to start to fake having schizophrenia or something
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: so that she'd stay on the fucking show? If this
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: is her life, this is her life. But that's the thing.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: If your life is boring, if you're not going through
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: a divorce, if your kid isn't coming out or struggling
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: with something and you're ready to exploit your child, if
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: you're not willing to do any of that and you
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: just want to talk about making dumplings, guess what? You're
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: probably going to get the boot.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: It's just such a weird thing.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: I completely agree with you.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: And it's weird that, that new people keep signing up
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: to do it as much as I love it. And
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I've made, you know, content out of it and stuff.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like how, when you, someone says
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: to a young woman, like a new person that's just
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: joined New Jersey, that's married with two little kids, I
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: guess they're probably, I would also, are people around you going,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: don't do it, but then you're the girl that, that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: wanted to be famous, but didn't do the hard work,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: and you didn't go through the acting, and here's the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: opportunity to finally be famous, and you're like, I'm doing it,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: and I don't work, so really, honey, you're not going
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: to let me do it? I'm going to bring in
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: a couple hundred grand.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: No, it's a lottery win for a lot of people.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: And especially if you don't have much else, like you're
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: going to be working at a Wendy's or something. Yeah.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: Then I get it. Now, I have the only published
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: data on the personalities of reality broadcasters, people. We didn't
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: do a lot of them, but enough to document extreme narcissism,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: particularly in the women. Now, that was in the early days.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: It was back in the early days of Survivor and stuff.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: It's been a long time since we collected that data. But,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: of course, again, those people are interesting. That's why they
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: get cast. And those people also probably want to be
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: on TV. They're really gratified by it. We proved also
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: in our research that the fame was a bid to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: to manage a traumatic injury, essentially, a narcissistic injury, that
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: there was sort of a strategy in their mind that
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: I'm going to feel better, maybe not even conscious that
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: it's going to fill the hole in their heart kind
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: of thing. And it does for a while until it doesn't.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And how do you feel about fame as an addiction?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: I don't like the model of addiction so much, but
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: it certainly can be a compulsion. And again, the biggest
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: thing I saw with people that are in the public
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: eye It's not the being in the public eye that
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: is so challenging or the addiction part. The concern always is,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: I don't want to lose it. That's the fear. That's
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: the motivation. It's like, I can't lose this. And that's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: what you're talking about.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, got it. Yeah, you can't lose the fear.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: It's like losing the juice. It's losing the high from
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: all this. It's what am I going to do then?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: It's exactly what you're talking about.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: And have you ever talked or treated, you know, children
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: of high, like a high, like a high profile reality
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: show where the kids are looking back? Uh, like, or like,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I always think that I've always thought that would be
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: the thing.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But I'm sure that's a mixed bag.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: I think it is a mixed bag. I don't know
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: how you could really make a show out of it,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: quite honestly. Um, I don't know, because it's like it's
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: more like that's a podcast episode. Then that's it.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Like, OK, tell me what it was like. You know,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: tell me the fun of it, what you didn't like. Oh,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: you know, a couple of interesting stories of, you know,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: when someone realized that you were the kid or they
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: were bullied or this cool thing happened from it. But
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's like I don't think there's enough
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: to make a show out of that.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: Well, it's the same. I suspect it's very similar to
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: the whole child star thing generally.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: And I was. I was a pretty good friend with
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Danny Bonaduce for a while, and he always emphasized how
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: being a child star was not bad. It was fine.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of weird being in an adult
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: world all the time. It sort of ripped what we
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: used to call parentalizing the children. In other words, they're
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: made into an adult too early, and that's kind of traumatic.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: But they have adult responsibilities and stuff on a show,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: and that's not good for children, but it's not necessarily
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: going to be a big issue. His thing was, oh no,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: the parents that put kids in these shows often are
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: terribly abusive. That was his point, constant point. And he was,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: he had a bad situation.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Right, of course. Where is he now?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: I think he's doing radio in the east somewhere, like
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: in New Jersey or something. He had a neurological illness.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: I tried calling him actually because there was, This thing
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: about him having weakness and couldn't move around. And then
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden he seems, I think he's okay.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Remember he did that reality show Breaking Monodushi?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, he invented reality shows. That was the first real
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: reality show.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: It really was. Yes. Yes. That's crazy.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. People don't even know what we're talking about.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I know. You probably don't. It was a show called
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Partridge Family. He was the redhead kid on it. Again,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: this is when there.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Were three channels.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: And everyone watched the show. And here you're this big
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: child star and you're so known for that that you
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: oftentimes don't get acting roles after it.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: It's like being Gilligan on Gilligan's Island or something. Yes.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: And because that's how big these shows were then. No
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: one could get that character out of their head. Right.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: And they followed him later. This was probably the early 90s.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: I forget why they were following him. There was some conceit.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: It wasn't early 90s.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: It was the late 80s even?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: I think it was early 2000s. I swear I remember, like,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: doing stuff with it around the Chelsea time.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: So it was early to mid-2000s, maybe like 2005, 2006.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: And he....
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah i guess because we were doing mtv for.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Love and i remember he was like it was about
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: you know he's trying to be sober and he had
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: that wife gretchen that redhead wife and then i just
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: remember he just like went on a binge and they
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: show him like skateboarding and the cameras are.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: Following him and leaders of jack daniel and stuff and
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: then it was just and they.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Just intervention meets yeah.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: They just kept the cameras going and yeah he he
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: told me afterwards he felt like it sort of urged
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: him to lean into it. Not that there was producing
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: going on. He just felt that intensity of the cameras
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: and it's like, screw it. I'm going to go all
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: the way.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: And also it's like, I do believe it's a job.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: It is a job and you want to praise it,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: but you do it. The producers are like, Oh my God,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: you're fucking killing it. That was no last night. Like when,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: when a housewives will say the season's really good this year,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: it's really good. And I'm like, So you guys fought
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: and tore each other's heads off and were horrible to
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: each other. When you're saying it's really good, we know
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: that it was absolutely emotionally traumatic for at least half
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: of you. Like, you know, it's different than saying, oh,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: succession is really good. We're really proud of what we
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: did on succession this season. We go in a totally
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: different direction that you haven't seen. And Because it's scripted
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: and it's acted. But when a reality show goes, oh,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: get ready. It's just.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: It's weird, isn't it?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's crazy.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: I never imagined reality would become what it was. Ever.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: It's become, rather.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about a Zen pic? Let's end
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: up on a Zen pic.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: So... So, you know, Oprah. Yeah.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: She's finally taking accountability. That's what she did. Now, it's,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: you know, these shots are everywhere. Yeah. And you can
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: get them in different places with health care and whatnot. I...
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: I think the more interesting thing is people that are
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: like still pissed about it, still pissed that other people
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: are able to take these shots.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: That's so funny to me.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: And get thin and look good because I believe that,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I've said this. I'm like, there's some people
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: that never had a problem with being thin and now
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: all their friends are. that have other talents besides being
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: thinned are also, and probably a prettier face, are now
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: skinnier and they're like, don't be a jealous bitch, who cares?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: But then my one friend who is naturally skinned goes, well,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: it's not like I can take a shot and start
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: singing like Celine Dion, but this person can take a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: shot and just get thin like me? And I'm like, yeah,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: that's it. The playing level has evened out.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: You can get to work on that Celine Dion musical.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: But look, I look at this medically. Medicines are dangerous, always.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: There's no medication on earth that is only good for you.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: They all have risks. They all have side effects. And
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: when you are using a medication for more than that
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: for which it is primarily indicated, then you are going
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: to see trouble more than benefit. Now, I don't think
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: they even have the obesity indication yet, but they'll probably
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: get it. The problem is non-obese people are taking it also.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: People just want to lose 10 pounds. So the kinds
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: of side effects, of course, are like gastroparesis, which I
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: have seen. It is terrible.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: Your stomach doesn't move neurologically anymore. It just sits. And
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: so food sits here, causes pain, ulcers, vomiting, nausea. It's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: a mess. And it does not go away. So that's
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: a mess if you get that. People get muscle loss
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: because you're losing everything, not just fat. Sarcopenia is one
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: of the leading indicators of life shortening. The longevity is
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: dependent on maintaining muscle mass. So I worry about that.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: We don't know what other side effects we might see.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: And I heard a couple others that were like, oh,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: it sounded awful. When we get into the manjaro and
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: some of these other things that affect the drive systems, yeah,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: they might have some use in utility and addiction, a
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: life-threatening addiction. disorder. But in terms of creating other motivational
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: disturbances or depression, we might see that. People complain that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: they get the ozymic face, they get drawn looking. And
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: when they stop, they often go back up above where
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: they were in the first place. Do you remember Fen-Phen? Yes.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: We've been through this before, right? There was clinics all
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: over the country, people going, you're going to stay on
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: this rest of their life, until they found out five
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: years down the line, everyone was getting heart damage. Well
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: done now. Do you remember that?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: No, I totally remember that. I remember, well, it wasn't
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: Trim Spa.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: There was a bunch of them. So something is going
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: to come. We're going to learn more about adverse events
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: as time goes on. Okay, that's one side of it.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: The other side is, you know, how long are you
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: going to stay on these things? And what are you
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: going to do? I have no problem with somebody starting
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: it for a while or taking it for a few
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: couple of months, maybe to get something going, right? But
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: after that, Diet and exercise. Let's get going. Exercise is
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: a critically important part of health and mood and longevity.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Let's get an exercise program going. And it's hard to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: do it if you're, you know, severely calorie depleted or muscle,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: if you're losing muscle mass. So I worry about that.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: And then you're going to have to, you're probably going
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: to have to come out for some time anyway. And
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: so you better learn to manage your diet such as
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: it is. And so I don't know. I have very
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: mixed feelings about it.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: It's also interesting to see if, like, Like plastic surgery,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: if they've noticed a difference, like, well, we're not doing
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: as much lipo, but we are doing more like tightening
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: of skin.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, they are. And they're giving the medicine. They're the
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: ones giving the medicine and then dealing with some of
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: the stuff that comes along the way as a result.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: And they're charging a fortune for it. It's ridiculous what
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: people charge to give this stupid medicine.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Well, there are places that don't charge as much. You
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: get with the program. Now tell me about your company
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: before we wrap up.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, the Wellness Company. Can I show this little kit? Yes, please.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: I would have forgotten. Thank you. There's a group I'm
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: working for, the Wellness Company. It's sort of a telehealth company.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: And we, after having been through COVID, one of the
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: things I learned is there's just no telling what our
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: government will do, what the medical system will do. You
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: need to be prepared. So we have sort of emergency kits.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: These are fully prescribed. Like this is a travel kit.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: This is all the stuff I bring when I travel
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: for my family and kids and stuff.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: What's in it?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: There's antibiotics for skin infections, antibiotics for sinus and throat.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: There's antibiotics for bacteria. My son got a hemorrhagic E.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: coli once during traveling, so I was like, I'm always
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: bringing Cipro with me from now on. We have nausea medicine.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: It's just everything we could think of that could you
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: get into trouble with while traveling.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: And how much is the kit?
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: You have to look it up. I don't know offhand.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: It's going to kill you.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: They're going to kill me. I think $ 150, something like that,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: somewhere in that zone.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Wait, can I look at it?
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Hey, Siri, how much is a wellness company travel kit,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: emergency kit? Let's see.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is great. I mean, this is great.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, here it is.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: And you can just get it.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a telehealth thing.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's brilliant. I think that is so important.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: If you don't need it, you don't need it.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: I completely agree. I think it's a brilliant idea.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: When I started talking to these guys, I'm.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: Like, this is a really good thing. And they turned
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: out to be really a great group. And a bunch
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: of doctors I respect are involved with it. And so
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: it's been a really positive experience for me all the
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: way along. $ 2.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: 99.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: $ 2. 99. for the medical emergency kit. Oh, that's the medical
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: emergency kit. That's a bigger kit. Oh, that is the
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: medical emergency kit. The travel one is the one I
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: was thinking of, but this is a bigger kit.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, you have a smaller one.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Smaller ones for travel.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Yeah, because this is a lot of, I
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: just saw a lot of pills. That's a lot of pills.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: A lot of different stuff. I'm going to just give
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: you a juicy scoop. Yes. They're going to help me
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: set up a store, and I'm going to start using
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: telehealth to get people medication. Do you know that if
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: you took a single dose of doxycycline after sex, you
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: could eliminate 95% of STDs? Yeah. Wow. And there are
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: certain kinds of post-coital contraceptives and intercoital contraceptives that you
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: can use that are not ingestible. There's all kinds of
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: stuff that people aren't aware of. I want to start
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: pushing that stuff out. I want to get things in
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: the hands of patients. I spent my whole career trying
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: to protect the doctor-patient relationship. It's been destroyed. So we
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: need to let patients get their hands on things they
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: want to be ready and to take care of their
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: family and their health.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Dr. Drew, and what other shows do you have if
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: they want to get more Dr. Drew in their life?
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: Oof. I've got something coming out of Discovery. I can't
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: really talk about anything else. Oh, okay.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: But the podcast. You still have your podcast.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: I do podcasts.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: Dr.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Drew podcasts. I do a podcast with Adam still. People
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: don't realize he and I have been together forever.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: And so Adam and Dr. Drew show. But this thing
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: we've been doing in the afternoons, the streaming show, Rumble
• 1:28:53
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• 1:28:55
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• 1:28:59
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• 1:29:01
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