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Dive into X-Men 97 and Saturday Morning Cartoons (Season 1) · Project Geekology

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: welcome back to project ecology, episode 94, 94.
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: And of course, my cat wants to say something important.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Uh guys, we are here to talk to you about not x-men 94, but x-men 97.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is the.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's the sixth official season in the x-men animated series that began in the 90s.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: I think it began in 92 or 93 and they just kept I.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: I guess they they brought it back for a sixth and potentially final season, but no, it's getting another season after this.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: Um, anthony, this is your first time actually watching x-men 97 season 1 as it's been brought back from Disney Plus, without getting too bogged down in spoilers like what are your first thoughts?
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: So before I answer that, yes, this episode is going to be spoilery, so if you have not seen it, I honestly I would recommend not listening to this episode unless you want to use it to kind of like figure out if you like it to this episode, unless you want to use it to kind of like figure out if you like it.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: But dude, I mean wouldn't you recommend like to watch it before listening to this?
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah, no, it is um.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: Hence here's.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: Do you think that people need to watch five episodes or five seasons of a show from the 90s to watch this 10 episode series from 2024?
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like it could help with a lot, like I think that there are some references totally that like it could help out a lot, but I don't think that you need to watch them to enjoy it.
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just good.
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: X-men right, it's got its.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: Own story that yeah, I mean quite frankly, man, it was phenomenal.
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: Dude.
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: I thought it was absolutely phenomenal.
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: You can tell that this show was made for those that were fans of the past one.
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: You can tell because I felt like it grew up with the audience.
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: It felt very mature, you know 100% and yeah, so I'm in 100 agreement.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: I, I think we talked about this briefly when it was coming out.
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: The original show, um, I think I, I think it was like episode three, and then episode five blew me away and I was gushing about it in.
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: You know, you know the episodes, whatever respective episodes we were talking about at the time.
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: But it's been a couple months at this point since it's been released and we've now gone through 14 episodes worth of podcasts talking about all of the Fox movies, going up until Deadpool and Wolverine, which isn't really a Fox movie, but it's kind of the culmination of that Fox era.
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: And we decided to go one podcast further and discuss the X-Men films, or sorry, the X-Men TV series that Marvel adopted, you know, which was the original X-Men animated series which they adopted and, you know, turned it into X-Men 97, which is kind of like a year after the show ended.
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: Basically, Right right.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to have a lot to say about what, ultimately, is a phenomenal show.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: But, anthony, what have you been up to this past week?
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I've been diving deep into X-Men 97, been enjoying it all, been enjoying all the the 10 episodes, and I feel like I feel like there was never like any like weak episode, so I enjoyed no, even like I would probably say the weakest.
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: You know we'll we'll talk more about it later probably, but what it was?
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: Probably the, uh, the, the two-part, or like the, the half part episode where it was like the Mojo World Nintendo game and the beginning of the Storm arc.
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: You know, like that.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: I think it was episode four.
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was episode four, A good episode in you know all together, but like compared to the rest of the series it was just like probably the weaker link right, right, but yeah, so that that's what I've been up to.
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I've also been playing star wars.
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: Outlaws me too, to pretty much like prepare for our upcoming episode.
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think I'm gonna have it beat by then, but I'll have enough to like really have a concise thing to like talk about, and I think that, like this is the type of thing, the type of game that we can talk a lot about, like the aspects and different stuff, and so you know, instead of having to dive too deep into the story of it, which I mean we can- yeah but yeah, no, I I've, I know that the, I know that, like, well, I guess we'll, we'll leave the impression so far until next week, because then, like, you'll probably have a little bit more under your belt and like, maybe right things.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: you know things change, but but there's that, oh, something else.
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: So I took a little bit of a break from Star Wars Outlaws to mess around with that Quidditch game.
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, I saw a little bit about that online.
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: I just assumed it was meant to be the Quidditch game from when we were kids.
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: No, so it's not a remake of that.
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: It's not the Quidditch game from when we were kids.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: No, so it's not a remake of that.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: It's not the Quidditch World Cup.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: This one you actually get to create your own team, pretty much.
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, like what they look like the keeper, the beaters, the chasers Chasers, yeah, chasers yes, and yeah no.
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: It's pretty interesting.
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: I'm interested in like playing a little bit more of that, but I I'm trying to not like stray too much into that.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: I just kind of wanted to check it out because I got to play.
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's on, uh, playstation plus.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: So I was like, dude, let me hop on, let me try this.
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: You know, is it any good?
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I'm having fun.
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: It's not like I wouldn't call it, I, I wouldn't call it.
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit different, like I guess coming to it as an adult.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: But like you know the Quidditch World Cup was, you know it was what it was.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: Like it was, you just picked a team and you played it.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: This one's a little bit more in depth, so we're not in depth, but like you get to create your own team and whatnot, but I mean I and and whatnot, but I mean I, I enjoy it.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty fun.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's worth checking out, I mean, especially if you're a huge harry potter fan.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: I've also been doing a harry potter marathon with some friends.
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: So, dude, like you know, I'm I'm harry pottered out man so what do you mean?
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: like you've been watching the movies, you've been reading books, the movies, yeah, okay where are you now in the movies?
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: we are at the fourth movie, like you're about to start the fourth movie yeah we're gonna start that nice, nice so that's a good time.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: That's a good time.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: Those first three movies are so good.
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: You know we talked in depth about them on the show here.
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: Have we done a goblet of fire episode?
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think we have do we, we, we, we actually have to like remember we had that third ep.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: The third movie episode got like just oh yeah, dude, I'm sorry that was the one where, like things messed up on your end and my end at the same time, it was like the worst listeners.
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: Occasionally, technical issues occur to the point where episodes just don't get recorded the way that they are presumed to have been recorded, and this was one of those episodes we had that happen twice that happened twice, once when we first started the you know the podcast like way back when I think it was the episode that we did on the original DC Universe announcement or something like that yes.
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: I forget what DC Fanverse, I forget what it was even called at this point.
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: Fandom.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: Fandom.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, we had to rerecord that episode, so if we sound really bored in that episode, it's because we've already talked about everything.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: Prisoner of azkaban is one of those episodes that we we recorded fully.
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: We recorded fully and it just it didn't exist after we recorded it.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: It was just.
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: It was just in the ether, like we just wasted an hour talking to you guys for nothing it was a good time, it was a good conversation.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: It was, I mean, we'll, we'll get, we'll eventually get that one out.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: I think we just have to like let enough time pass by to like justify being able to talk about it again I think we were both so burned out after, like you know, that we just haven't touched.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's been over a year since we talked about potter it's been a while.
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: It really has maybe, maybe we'll get into that after after we talk about outlaws next week, you know, yeah yeah, we can.
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: We can take another crack at that, you know I think at this point like, if your computer starts shutting down or my thing starts, I'll be like okay, okay, like let's this is, uh, you know, at this point it's divine intervention.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: Like we can't talk about harry potter on.
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: No more harry potter.
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, um, no, yeah, no, but yeah I mean other other than that, like it hasn't been too much crazy things.
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: How about you?
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: What have you been up to?
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: uh, not, not well, I've been.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: I've been really busy in terms of the past couple episodes I've been talking about like trying to read all of the avatar comics.
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: I have officially finished all of them, including all of the avatar chorus stuff.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: It took a very long time.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably like close to like 25, 2600 pages of comics all together.
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: It was a good amount.
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was a good amount and I took notes on everything, so it took a little extra long you know, um, but I'm very happy about it.
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: I I gotta admit like there was no single comic run that I felt wasn't worth reading like in terms of like the, the big graphic novel stuff that that you know they released with those like last airbender and legend of korra books, both of those series, the respective series, the legend of Korra and Last Airbender they extended the story past the original cartoon.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: So with the Last Airbender you had six graphic novel trilogies that talked about different events and it's almost like half a season's worth of events in each of those graphic novel trilogies.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: So really it's almost like three seasons worth of television in those uh graphic novels and it's, it's really, really good.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: Like like all all six of those graphic novel trilogies, like I would say it's like one half of a season, so it's about three seasons worth of avatar, the last airbender content, and it's, it's phenomenal, it's really, it's really strong stuff.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: Um, the legend of korra, uh, the first graphic novel trilogy, turf wars, did not grab me all that much at the beginning but it turned out really like fascinating near the the tail end of it.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: And then the second, uh graphic novel trilogy called ruins of the, the Empire kind of takes the threads of how Legend of Korra ended.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've watched Legend of Korra, anthony.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking that we need to cover that at some point.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: I would love to cover Legend of Korra.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: Legend of Korra is a fantastic series.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: I think people are too hard on it and I think it's one of those shows that deserves a second watch, because a lot of the issues that you may have had the first time through that may have inspired anger or disinterest.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: On a second watch you might not feel that same way.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah second watch, you might not feel that same way and that's yeah, yeah, no, like I mean it, it won't have the same impact as the original series, but it takes a lot of it, a lot of the original series, and kind of evolves a lot of things.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, the civil, the civilization doesn't.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: It's not like you know people are living in.
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: You know villages, cities that look kind of archaic in a way.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: There's cars and whatnot.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: Now Bending has evolved, there's the metal bending and lava bending and all that stuff.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: So, and honestly, man, like they still maintain the beauty of, like, the animation, the way that bending is used still looks amazing.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: It looks honestly, if you, if you're being like honest with yourself, it looks better.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: You know, like the martial arts aspect of the show oh, yeah, yeah way better.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: In legend of korra, they they just knocked it out of the park.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: So ruins of the empire um is the second graphic novel trilogy that they just knocked it out of the park.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: So Ruins of the Empire um is the second graphic novel trilogy that they created.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: That takes place after the Legend of Korra and it basically takes the.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: It takes place like three months after the Legend of Korra, so, like Kuvira, the, the woman who is basically trying to take over like the earth kingdom and like start an earth empire by by the fourth season.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: It basically kind of gives her a bit of a redemption arc in terms of like trying to get things back on track for the nation and it's, it's, it's a really it's a fascinating read, like I.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: I was like blown away by it and it's written the.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: These two specifically turf wars and ruins of the empire, the the two graphic novel trilogies are written by Michael Dante DiMartino, which is one of the actual creators of the original Last Airbender show.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: So what I'll say about those Legend of Korra books versus the Avatar books is that those two Korra books are written by, you know, one of the original creators of the Avatar series.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: The other books are fantastic, absolutely like top tier uh fan content.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Basically, like you know, like someone else wrote them and then Michael Dante DiMartino and Brian Konietzko signed off on it.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: You know, like the Legend of Korra stuff that came after that show is like fully written by the original team, so I I think that's pretty cool that's nice.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool, I like that um, I did.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: I did play a little bit of outlaws.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: Uh, not enough to really get a good picture of it.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: I probably altogether played like five to seven hours worth of gameplay and I think I'm doing more of the side quests currently okay the main story it's so easy to get caught up in side quests it is amazingly easy to get caught up in side quests because I, I it's so easy to like not realize you're not doing the main storyline, when all these other storylines seem just as important but clearly aren't yeah, yeah, there's, yeah.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: I mean there's definitely like a good bit going on.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like and we'll get more in depth in it when we actually cover it but I feel like it's getting a little bit more flack than it should.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: It's not a perfect game, but there's still a lot.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: It still feels very much so like a Star Wars game.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's 100% Star Wars, but I think for me my current issue is a lack of story and I think that is partially because of the game.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: You have RPGs that will try to push you to follow the storyline to a point In this game.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: It starts you off.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: There's not really much of a tutorial phase of the game at all.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I mean there is a little bit of a tutorial phase, I mean the one that I'll say that it kind of stumped me at first and I had to look it up, was the data spiking sure, yeah, no, I, I actually agreed that the data spiking was a little bit difficult.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: As well as um, you basically have to play wordle to like slice into to panels.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Basically, it's the same basic principle as wordle you know, like you have to dude.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I was so confused with that.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I was like what am I like?
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: What do I select?
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: like I was just like select whatever.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Like I was I was like drinking at the time when I first got that and I was just like just clicking random buttons and I was just like it worked.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Wow, I did it.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: And then like the next day I happen to this.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: what happened to me?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I was just like I'm like wait, what do I do?
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't tell you I was looking for a pattern.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just like what it doesn't tell you.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: And then the matching up, the beeping or the data spiking.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think we've to give the game credit.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the game a week earlier than we planned to.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: But to give the game credit, that's a new thing that I don't think I've ever experienced in a game where, like it wanted me to like sync up with noises.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Same same, yeah, but yeah, no, we'll talk.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: We'll definitely talk more about like that and then the details and you know things that we like and yeah, the gripes and whatnot.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know, like, have you been out?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Have you?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: We're 20 minutes in?
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Did you have anything else that you had going on that you wanted to let everybody?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: know, let's talk about x-men 97, how about?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: that?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Are you sure it's a 97, not 96 or 98 99?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: here's what you're probably getting confused by it's project geekology 94, but we're covering x-men 97 x-men 97 dude, I thought we were covering x-men evolution oh no, that's a different.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: That's a different episode.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: We haven't even discussed that on the show before but yeah, x-men 97, man bro, what a show.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I mean it was a wild ride, like I mean it is a wild ride of a, of a cartoon so how much have you watched of this prior to doing the show like like watching it for the podcast?
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: um, I so I had watched the first two episodes, so like I knew that they were like good, but like I had stopped and I was like two episodes, so like I knew that they were like good, but like I had stopped and I was like, ah, I feel like I wanted to go back and watch the the old one it doesn't inspire you.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: It doesn't inspire you to like.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: At least try to like.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Go back and re-watch everything right, right.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: So that that's pretty much what I did.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And then I never got back onto x-men 97, not because I didn't want to, but you know you get caught up.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: And then there's other things to like watch.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: But, dude, like this one was crazy, like I don't think I got I've ever I've ever seen like a, an animated series like the you know animated, not anime, but Like you know, anime, not anime, but animated series.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: That was like that had me like, oh my gosh, like with like the level of maturity that it had.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Like to me it didn't feel like it was a show for kids.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, sure kids could have watched it, but it definitely was.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: You know the way that they spoke, like it was just like they used words that I'd be like dude, I know that 10-year-old me would not understand what this man is saying right now.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just man.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I had to look up Watching this again.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I had to look up what jingoism meant.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: There was a bunch of words, honestly, that they were just like you know.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: That's way above my pay grade in terms of like what I, what I, you know, do here as a as a podcaster but right, you know I'm amazed that this show exists because when this was first announced everyone was excited.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: You know it's a beloved show.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: It's one of the best superhero animated series period, like when, when people go and talk about like the shows they grew up with in terms of like superhero stuff, it's always x-men animated series, maybe spider-man, batman, the Brave and the Bold Batman.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, the 90s Batman series.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That was a fantastic series too.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, superman.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Superman, yeah.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: But this is one of those classic ones.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: This was a classic one, especially for, like the kids who grew up on like WB, you know.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, On like Saturday morning cartoons.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Dude, dude.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Saturday morning cartoons man Jackie Chan Adventures adventures one of my faves you know what's crazy dude like.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: We grew up in the tail end of saturday morning.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Cartoons like that only existed for a short period of time in our youth and then I remember them.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, we, we lived like a good, good bit of I feel like we got, like we aged well enough into it, like it wasn't that, like it ended when I was five, like I think I was like 10 and 10, 11, and they were still doing saturday morning cartoons.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: But I you know, yeah, things shifted.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I, I, you know, I was getting a little bit more into anime and was catching the tsunami in the afternoons.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so I'm looking it up now.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I'm looking it up now.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: According to Yahoocom, the final Saturday morning cartoon was on September 27, 2014.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: So that's well into our adulthood.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: At that point it was 10 years ago.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So it was.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: we were all of 22 at the time um, right, right, but by then, like we weren't, we weren't really watching cartoons at that point.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: But I think the heyday of saturday morning cartoons was way before that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: You know like 80s and 90s.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely when I think of saturday morning early 2000s sure when I think of, uh, saturday morning cartoons, I think of, like, pokemon, I think of, like you said, jackie chan adventures, I think of, dragon ball z, but like they had it on there too yeah, I'm thinking about like the wb shows that transition to the cw x-men 97, or not x-men 97, but x-men the animated series was one of those shows that they aired on those.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember watching some of it on there too.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, that that was crazy.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah that I remember catching that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I remember those days where, like, the cw was wb and like there was a small period of time where where, uh, like was a Smallville was on the WB before it became CW, yeah, but but yeah, yeah, you're right, the original X-Men, the X-Men series, I remember catching it on WB.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know you also had the X-Men, evolution and all that oh.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I honestly, like I know a lot of people gave that one flack, but I loved it for its own reason.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I think it was just a matter of a different generation experiencing a new iteration of a character cast, I guess.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But whoever came up with the idea of a goth girl rogue was a genius.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You know, like fantastic, Just perfect yeah yeah, it worked well.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, um, let's talk about x-men 97.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: You watched the first two episodes back when it was first airing a couple months back, and you felt that instead of continuing with this series, let's go back and re-watch a couple episodes.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: How do you feel that the quality from the original series to what this new series had um differs?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: well, I feel like the original series.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: It has a lot more campiness to it, sure, and it feels very much so like a 1990s cartoon, but you know, I I still enjoyed it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I thought that, you know, it was fun to watch and it's like it's almost, like you know, going back to like, watch like pokemon, like you know, the indigo league.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: It felt like doing that, like going back.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: You know, it felt like I felt like a kid, you know, catching those, those saturday morning cartoons.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: The quality, though, was extremely upscaled from like back then.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, up to now, the.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: They used the same style animation, but it was a lot more crisp and the, the, the show matured, it, it, it was like it, it was like and it's, it was like a 30 year old, it's like a 30-year-old.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: What's funny is that one of the big changes in the early episodes of this show was that Scott and Gene were having a baby Right right In the original series.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think that would have been a plotline Right right In the original series.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think that would have been a plot line, you know, especially not as convoluted and as mature of a plot line as we received with the cable.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And you know that that whole, that whole plot line with Madeline Pryor and all that I don takes the characters that we have from the original series, takes all of their starting points from the end of that last series, including Charles Xavier back up in the Shia Empire and all that, and just kind of evolves it with the times, while staying somewhat chronologically centered in the 90s but I guess, evolving with the audience in terms of, like, what they expect to see from the series as adults now that they're watching it from a different vantage point, and these are adults that have experienced you know, terrible things in their lifetime.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: you know, like we've, we've, we've gone through nine, 11, we've gone through dozens and dozens of like school shootings and all this and you, you kind of take that trauma that we COVID, you know.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: COVID, anything that we've normalized, you know, over the course of the 20, 30 years since the original show aired, and you, you, you kind of like, push that onto the course of the 20, 30 years since the original show aired and you, you, you kind of like push that onto the narrative of the series and you create a, a storyline.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: That is just.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: It works seamlessly with the x-men storyline.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they did it, but, um, man, it's, it's a, it's an insane feat that they were capable of doing this to like a Saturday morning kids cartoon, basically.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it was.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: It's just like they just kept you on your toes like pretty much the entire series, you know, like you couldn't really guess what was gonna happen no, um, and I think that's to its benefits as well as its um, whatever the opposite of benefit is, I I I think that like what is the opposite of benefit, like a non-benefit?
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know I mean a drawback sure a drawback.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Um, what I mean to say is that I feel like sometimes it became so convoluted, plot wise, that you almost needed to like watch the uh like last time on x-men before every episode.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I did, I did it every time, every time because, like what?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: like a lot happens, a lot happens every episode and then they kind of condense it a little bit, like to like give you like the main story beats and that and that in those, like you know, the replays.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, no, I I absolutely like watch, especially like if I because I didn't watch it all in one day, I watched it over a couple days.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: So then, like I would start, you know, the next day I would go in watching episodes, I would watch that replay to kind of refresh myself on what, what, what it was that that happened.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, it things got crazy, I mean, especially with the whole jean gray and you know goblin queen thing.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Man yeah, so I think episode three that was crazy I'm like, yeah, like you just see, like jean stumbling in.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, huh, yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: So I think episode three, that was crazy.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, like you just see, like gene stumbling in, and I'm like, huh, yeah, I was like I was like, but.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: But then I was like, oh, when you saw the gene, I was like, oh, man, because like I knew about, like I knew about the goblin queen and that she was like a you know that she's a clone of gene.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh wait, is that?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Is that madeline prior?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Or I didn't think that at first.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I was thinking, oh, is that goblin queen?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And it ended up being goblin queen.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, dude, this is crazy, yeah.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And then like knowing, and then kind of figuring out like who one of the main villains of like this story arc is, and it's like it's not magneto.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Magneto has that.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: You know, he's a complicated season very complicated, but he's not the villain like nobody even by the end.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: You know, like there's a lot of conflict with Magneto near the end of the season, but like he's not the villain, you know like there's several other villains, like you know, right, right yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I mean we're kind of dancing around that, like we're not, like we're not talking about a spoiler episode, but yeah, no, this is a, this is a full spoiler thing at this point.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: You know it's, it's a if you guys have not watched x-men 97, I recommend it.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I don't recommend trying to sit through five seasons of an animated series to get to this point.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: There's enough callback in the last time on X-Men and throughout the dialogue of the show, to piece your way through what's happening in real time.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And, uh, if you have a basic knowledge of the x-men team, which I'm assuming you have, if you've listened to the past 14 episodes of project ecology where we've talked about a number of x-men episodes, you can, you can, basically you can follow the, the story pretty easily.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: You know, like you will experience some things where you have to.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: You know, know, like really uh, focus your attention on.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Like you can't watch this season passively and expect to get a lot out of it, especially not the, the, the second half of it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: You know there's a lot that happens in the second half of the season that, like, you need to like actively be paying attention to.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right and see that that shows like that sometimes are tough, you know, because I mean a lot of people get distracted and what not.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So this is not something that you can watch while you're like kind of walking around cleaning around the room.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: You actually have to like sit down because there is a lot that goes on and right we don't want you playing clash of clans on your phone while you're watching TV?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: This is something you need to like.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Don't scroll on Instagram don't try to piece out the latest star wars drama on on twitter.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Just watch the show.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's, it's a fantastic series.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Um, but yeah it deserves the attention it really does 100.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did a fantastic job.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: They brought back most of the original cast, but that that alone shows you that they were trying to do right by the original series right, right, which, which that alone you can appreciate, and you know, let's, let's talk about some of the.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we could talk about, like some of the, the x-men like that we come into um, like you have, jubilee gambit, rogue, um cyclops, jean gray beast, wolverine morph what I find is a really interesting choice that this series takes on is that, going back to the original series, the original x-men series, jubilee was the introductory character.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You know, like storm and jingray and cyclops and beast, they've all been on the x-men team as along with wolverine and professor x and all that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Those characters have all existed for a while past the original point of the animated series.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: But jubilee was the character that they were rescuing.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: You know, she was the new character that they were showing around and trying to like prove that this family was worth joining right, right this and she calls back to that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, she definitely does.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And this series it's not jubilee, it's uh, da Costa, which you know.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: He, he eventually becomes sunspot and he has a very interesting story because he is from a family who doesn't believe in, I guess, being true to oneself in terms of, like the mutation aspect of, you know, being immune and obviously, like his family, is a very wealthy brazilian family who owns some company or other and their shareholders would be very negatively impacted if they found out that the costa line produced a mutant like sunspot right, right, yeah, and like, at first it seemed like the mother was a little bit accepting and then she hits, hits him with a line, like you know, maybe you want to keep this low-key yes, not low-key like l-o-k-i, but l-o-w-k-e-y, yeah, and because, yeah, like they, I mean, for the reasons that you just explained, that you know that they don't want to realize that the shareholders, they don't want the shareholders to know that there's a mutant in the family.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah and so, but yeah, I, I did notice that, that, like that it was cool that jubilee was the one that, like that, showed him around, because she was that person she was basically like shepherding him as the new person.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: You know yes To the team and I really like that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a really good balance of you know like you're giving Jubilee who's not a seasoned veteran like a warrior or veteran.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: At this point Her abilities aren't extremely useful for battle as of yet.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: You know, she can create fireworks, basically yeah but she's flaming with the fourth of july yeah, I love that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, bastion, I love you, but I I love that she was able to show roberto around and you know kind of like give him the ins and outs of being an x-men, that that's something that I thought was really cool yeah, yeah, that that was really cool.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: The the beginning of the season, you know, like early in the season it hits you with like its first haymaker.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Um, you know there's a will and testament that that Professor Xavier leaves and he pretty much he leaves the, the leadership of the X-Men to Magneto and you're like dude, what?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: And you think about it for a second, though, like at first, it sounds absolutely insane, because these characters, magneto and Professor Xavier, have been enemies for decades in the comics frenemies frenemies?
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: yes, they're.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: They're like we'll get along for this time, but then in our next uh, comic book arc, or our next season, we'll be full-on enemies.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And you know, blah, blah, blah.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: But like it makes sense, you know that charles xavier would consider his oldest friend capable of, you know, taking on where he left off with the x-men and right, right and honestly for the.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: for the most part I will applaud magneto like trying his hardest, like he really tried to like honor 100%.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: He did everything.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: He basically went in front of a tribunal that was trying to arrest him.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: He lived through a literal genocide on Genosha.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: He went through everything possible in the name of Charles Xavier's future.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Right right.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a genocide, it was a terrorist attack.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you know what I mean.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, but that was the intention, though, sure yeah, yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that was I was surprised, he was really trying.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: That was, you know, like I was surprised.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Like you know, he was really trying.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Like he wanted to honor, you know, his friend, like, even though their ideologies were different, he was like you know, he started to see a little bit, like you know, maybe this can happen.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: But you know, let a line that that that professor xavier says you know it's, it's pretty much him agreeing with the reason why magneto is doing what he's doing.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: You know, he goes through all the stuff magneto kind of reverts back to, like you know, okay, yeah, I'm done with this, I'm about to just throw down on on these people again.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: But he's like you know, professor, professor xavier says, like you're, you know, he's doing this because of all, because of all of his worst fears are coming true and that you guys are doing this yeah you know, and I mean he's right honestly to tell you I I don't blame magneto for being as angry as he got, because he tried everything and no matter what.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: They kept on getting attacked.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And episode 5 was literally the red wedding of this show.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to talk a little bit about other things before we talk about episode 5.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Because I truly want to talk about episode 5.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to get sidetracked.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Um, but like taking it back a little bit, we have um storm who, during the tribunal where the united nations is trying to like pin down magneto for all of his crimes against humanity, um, someone breaks in, tries to, you know, do like a january 6th sort of thing and you know like insurrect the the proceedings and they tried to take magneto's powers away from it right, right.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Well, there was like this whole like kind of mob outside like protesters yes and yeah, they were kind of like forcing their way in.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: But there was, you know, this one that had like pretty much weapons to to just take away mutant powers and yeah, they were aiming right for magneto but storm took that bullet and you know, she noticed like instantly, like you know, I can't feel, you know, the air, the pretty much everything like what she's used to feeling.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's almost.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine it.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: It's like, if you're so used to feeling this sixth sense, imagine what it would be like if you lost your sight or lost your hearing, you know like it would be that you know you're hearing, you know, like it would be that you know.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: So what storm goes through this season is is really as a really powerful storyline as a subplot.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: That yeah, yeah story, because she loses her powers first she loses her powers for months yeah, yeah and, and like she pretty much, she steps away from the x-men for a little bit, because what is she gonna do yeah?
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's she gonna do?
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: And then she meets up with forge, which he helps her out.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: But she has like this, like whole, there's a whole, just owl beast thing.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: That was like absolutely insane, like it was like a fever dream that she was experiencing.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: But it was like real so it almost seemed, uh, very similar to in new mutants, which you know we covered a couple weeks ago and maybe you should go check out our discussion of new mutants.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Um, it's basically a very similar concept to the demon bear.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, that's one of the characters in new mutants kind of dreams up and makes into reality.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I think part of Storm's plight when dealing with the loss of her powers is this just absence, this white lie that she cannot be what she was meant to be or that she'll never, uh, return to what she is.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: And I think that that is the adversary, like that's, that's what they called, this like demon owl thing in in this episode or these, these two episodes that she that it appeared in, um, the adversary was basically this, uh, almost like just pure negative energy, you know, like everything that she could have wished for herself.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: It was wishing the opposite for her, like it wasn't campaigning for her to overcome anything.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: It was way it was.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: It was trying to get her to succumb to her own doubts.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: You know, so it was.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: It was almost like, you know, she was battling her demons, like it was just her personal doubts manifested in this like potentially literal demon.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't even know, I don't we don't really know what the adversary is I think I think it was real because it bit onto forge and he had some yes, yes, he had some like the you know, like infection going on, and so, like I, yeah, I thought that like it was, you know, like what you said, like an inner thing, but then, like, since that was real and the fact that, like that interaction between the, the adversary and um, forge, like you know that he, he had a very real wound, so it's like okay, well then, that had to be real yeah but so yeah, uh, storm's storm's whole arc, you know, I think was was fantastic and the fact that that she eventually overcame that and found her powers again while battling the adversary.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: You know, like this was after forge tried to fix her and maybe did fix her, but like her mental faculties weren't in the proper order to allow her to like believe that she was fixed and I think, it was like that confined space that she was in, where she was trying to help someone else that allowed her to become storm again and I just love that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Like everyone in the series calls her a goddess, like she's literally like an omega level threat, you know, like in terms of right.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Right, if she's, she's her.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: A goddess she's literally like an omega level threat.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Right, right, she's literally a goddess on earth.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so we had talked a little bit about there was that one episode that you said.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, if there was a week when it was going to be that one, yes, the Motendo one Motendo.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing I liked about that episode Was that it was almost like a call back to cartoons, like back in the day.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Remember, when cartoons used to be split into like too many episodes yes, yeah, that's what it reminded me of.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, like I said, this guy two episodes also, they brought back mojo you know they?
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: they brought back mojo from the original series and while most people don't like mojo myself included I they brought back mojo from the original series and while most people don't like mojo myself included I think it was cool that they brought him back for, you know, like another go, you know, because what's not to love?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: mojo kind of reminds me of that one guy from teen titans that would trap them into the tv world oh, I forgot his name though but you know, talking about right like there's that, so there's a villain in teen titans that like literally like traps them into like tv land, you know, like the tv dimension and so, um, mojo kind of reminds me of that and yeah, I mean, I thought it, I thought it was a cool like little episode I didn't have like any, I don't I, it wasn't I.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't have any.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't have any negatives about it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: It was just like of everything.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: It was a cool little episode.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't have any issues.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't have any negatives about it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: It was just like of everything.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: It was just a little bit weaker.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: It was like a breather.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: That part of the episode was like a breather because you just got smacked.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so episode three was extremely heavy.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so episode three was extremely heavy, where, like you realize that Jean Grey, the Jean Grey that you've been watching over the past couple episodes isn't the real Jean Grey and the son that she just gave birth to is basically like a clone that was produced by Dr Sinister to do something, but we don't know.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: At this point, like we Sorry, I just hit the mic do something, but we don't know.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: At this point, like we, sorry, I just hit the mic um, we don't know why.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, dr sinister wanted, uh, scott summers and jean gray's child clone thing.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: So it was just a, it was a crazy episode.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had to send him, nathan aka Cable into the future with Bishop.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Because Bishop is from the future and he knew somebody that could help save Cable.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: It was like a very Madeline Pryor after you know she, you know, after like the realization that you know that that she was a clone, she has, like you know that, like a bit of a villainous moment.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, and she kind of like snaps out of that and you know, there we got Jean gray and Madeline, you know kind of existing and you know Madeline being the one that you know had the child with, with um, with with Cyclops, and it was just so like back and forth.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I felt so bad for Jean Grey.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: She's like I don't know, did I really get married to Scott or was that Madeline that got married?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: You know like just not knowing whose memories were who yeah, imagine, that like where do you start and where does madeline prayer begin?
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: yeah, exactly, yeah and yeah, like that that was.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: It was like the beginning of that the season, like it was heavy right off the bat and it just does not take its foot off for the entire season, dude yeah, I, I guess the motendo episode was the slight release off of the gas, you know, before getting right back on the gas full, full steam.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about episode five.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I talked about it briefly on twitter, I just I just mentioned that I believe that, uh, episode 5 of x-men 97 called.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Remember it is one of the rare perfect episodes of television oh yeah, I think I had seen you posted that I, I 100 believe it's true, like I think it's.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: It's just one of those, you know, like everything in the episode leads you to a certain, to a certain feeling and then all of a sudden it shakes you.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: You know like it changes something dynamically to a degree that like you.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Just how did they accomplish that?
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: You know like, and I'm sure you experienced that.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: So um this is the first dropping.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is the first time.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: You've experienced it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: So what?
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: What are your?
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: well, my, my thoughts is that the for a good bit of the episode it builds you up with the sense of hope, right, yeah, and then hits you like just as hard with, like the feeling of dread and, you know, loss so let's talk about that hope really quick, because you know like a big part of the series is magneto, kind of giving in to charles xavier's future.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: You know like he he kind of adopts charles.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Uh not, I guess he kind of adopts charles ideals for a little bit as genosha becomes a united nations nation, basically you know, right, right, it's, it's a mutant nation and it's, yeah, like they're working on it becoming a part of the united nations.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: You know they, they get there, they're.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: And it's not all the x-men like magneto's there, rogue is there, gambit is there, and it's not all the X-Men like Magneto's there, rogue is there, gambit is there.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: And then we meet up with Nightcrawler.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Nightcrawler's there.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: It was really cool to.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, there goes my boy.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: And you know, yeah, like there's.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Just like this whole civilization has been built up.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: It looks, you know, like everybody's united.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: It looks great, nobody's being persecuted in the streets because they're all mutants.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And yeah, man, like that hope gets knocked down real quick.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so a Master Mold, sentinel creation comes out of nowhere.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Well, what's perfect about this is that, like you get the premonition beforehand, a little bit like shortly, a couple minutes before everything goes to crap, uh, cable shows up and basically shows up to madeline prior and it's like I'm sorry, I'm, I'm late, mom, or something along those lines, you know.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: And then it all clicks like cable is the son that madeline prior and scottmers sent into the future and he's trying to save them from something.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden stuff starts blowing up and a Master Mold shows up to this exquisite ballroom where all these mutants are dancing and stuff and it's supposed to be the height of mutant civilization and it just blows it to bits.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man it, that master mold was insane.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Like you know, even gambit, I think gambit called it like godzilla master mold or godzilla sentinel.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it was like like.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: It was like the worst that they had ever come across and like, I mean dude, like mutant after mutant was being like killed man and I think they, I think they said that like 4 000 people died um, if I, if I remember correctly, like 4 000 mutants and or humans um died in the attack that you know, the terrorist attack, which is an insane amount of people yeah, you know, but we get.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: We get a couple of of surprises from that.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: You know, gambit dies in this yeah, um, and it's, it's a.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: It's a fantastic way to go because, throughout the earlier episodes of the series, you, you're starting to realize that gambit is the third wheel in a relationship between rogue and magneto and that's a whole situation that like he has to come to grips with and he comes to grips with it on his own before rogue even like mentions it to him, like he kind of sees the signs and says like I I'd rather step aside.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Basically, right, he sees the, the writing on the wall, and you know, I mean they've always kind of had a tumultuous relationship yeah I mean, because I mean we know rogue can't really like touch anybody but like magneto is able to kind of create a magnetic field that protects him from it yeah, which is a really interesting new concept between rogue and magneto, which allows them, allows her the ability to touch him, which is something that she desperately craves, as someone who can't physically touch another human so he magneto is offering rogue something that gambit cannot offer, you know, without like getting killed pretty much right yeah, so when gambit, finally, you know, tries to attack the master mold and gets impaled, all hope seems lost.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And then you realize like, oh, gambit's still in control of his abilities, and his abilities are whatever he touches he can explode, you know, like that is a ability that he has and he uses it to incredible effect.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: One of one of the best lines in the show that pretty much everyone who watched this remembers is the name's gambit mon ami, remember it, you know.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: And then he basically, you know, just disintegrates the master mold because yeah, that's his power, like he envelops it with his power and blows it up.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was really really sick for a little bit there.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: We we think that magneto got killed too yes, it took a couple episodes until the, the final three episodes that you know like, where bastion's trying to explain, like you know, like he's got something up his sleeve as well, but in that moment one of the best lines of the show is this line from rogue, who's like holding the dead corpse of gambit and she's saying I can't feel you, I can't feel you, and she's like like she's crying as she's saying it and it's it's the agony of the actress.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: You know like giving it her all in this moment because, like, even though, like, she was never able to feel gambit, like now she literally cannot feel gambit.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: You know like it's not um touches and everything, but now he's no longer even there.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: You know it's.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: It's a really powerful, really powerful episode.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: It's.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: It's probably the single best x-men.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Anything that's ever been produced is episode five of this show, I think yeah, it was good and you can kind of you, you can kind of see what was it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Uh, magneto calls back to it and and he definitely magneto in this show has a lot more than just villain.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Like, he's not a villain in this one, he's somebody that he tried to do right and he just got struck down at every point and he was even talking about, like you know, he was heard about the fact that like he told somebody to not be afraid and they got incinerated right in front of him oh, and that was such a powerful moment too.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I Like.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: That moment is like he even like speaks to him in German, like I forget what he says or whatever, but like it's just, whatever he says, it's more powerful because of the moment that he shares with that Mewen.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: You know, like the child Mewen, that he's trying to protect.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: It was Leech.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: It was Leech, yeah, yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: You know, like the, the child mutant that he's trying to protect, it was leech, yeah, yeah, and he's he's trying to protect leech from the blast that he realizes like this is falling and basically, like leech dies.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: you know, it's, it's, yeah, it's incredible storytelling and then, and then, yeah, like like you said that you know we, so you know, mr, sinister is like this, like villain, like he's like the the villain, but he's not like the main villain, like he's one of, like the, he's like just under bastion and bastion just creates these android sentinels that like it's people instead of like the regular sentinels yeah, so basically he uses the dna of.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So so dr sinister takes dna and creates clones, but bastion is actually like implanting people with this virus.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: That kind of creates them into portable sentinels wherever he wants them and he's kind of populated the entire planet with them to go after mutants as a whole right, right and yeah, like that, that last, that last fight was crazy because you know they're, they're fighting bastion, but then they're also the x-men are fighting.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: There's a team that's fighting bastion.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Then there's also a team that's like fighting magneto up at asteroid m, but like before magneto goes up, he recruits rogue and sunspot because they're kind of done with like, you know, like all this stuff is happening.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, and you know.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, and this time professor xavier comes back.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like dude, this man.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: So this man was just off in space somewhere.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I said why did he leave these people like this?
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: This guy was about to get married to an alien princess.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, go back, what are you doing?
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: And he reveals the reason why he picked Magneto was because he wanted Scott and Jean Grey to be able to break, break away to like, live their lives.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: And you know I mean.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like you know, scott, scott, what scott said was right was that, like, I mean, he, he could have tried, but he would have always ended up back there, just like professor xavier, all ended up back there.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: So one thing I want to talk about is Magneto shows why he is an Omega-level threat.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, so he basically breaks free.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Well, someone breaks him free from his imprisonment from Bastion and Dr Sinister, him free from his uh, imprisonment from bastion and dr sinister and he goes to one of the poles and uses the magnetic poles basically to create an emp that surrounds the entire world and turns everything off, basically including all the sentinels.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, and that was actually a really cool moment because, like you know, we we caught a glimpse of Spider-Man.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we caught a glimpse, like over the course of everything, like we caught a glimpse of a couple people, Of a lot of people, was it?
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Silver Samurai was one Like.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: We saw some like heroes.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: We saw some villains.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Daredevil Doctor Doom.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Dude, when I saw Daredevil I was like, oh my gosh, like.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I was like oh my gosh, like as they, I was like what's up with this?
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: There was also, uh, you saw cloak and dagger dr, strange.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: And then, like the different, there was various.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: You had captain america, like he actually had like an active, like not active, but he had a moment with rogue when rogue was going on like a war path rogue through his his shield into, like a nearby, nearby mountain you saw iron man and then morph, changed into a couple of the morph, changed into the hulk um psylocke for a moment like, just like juggernaut, quick silver, yeah, so what, I what?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I what I think think that they used like Morph was a storytelling device where they were allowed basically to use him whichever way they felt was necessary for the plot, but also allowed them to call back to other mutants and other characters in the Marvel Universe, which I think was a fantastic choice, because Rogue can take the abilities from other people, but Morph can literally morph into them and mimic their abilities, so it kind of like from a from.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Like a visual standpoint, it's way cooler to use Morph because he can do whatever he wants and they can use these little clips of, say, psylocke or Juggernaut fighting, which is sick.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: That was like one of the things that I wanted to like make sure that we pointed out was like dude, that just so many, so many cameos, man, they use more, they use more fantastically, you know, like in the end, when Magneto, like Wolverine, is attacking Magneto and Magneto takes all of the adamantium out of wolverine's body dude, and it's like I know that that's something that happens in the comics and the fact that they did that in this.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I was like yeah, no, they weren't holding back.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: They were like giving us the best possible season that they could so, dude, I was just like I said, oh no, they did not like yeah, I would consider that also an omega level like thing to do, just rip out the adamantium of somebody's bones one thing I really liked that they did with morph is they allowed him to play the character of jean gray, which in the other movies it would have been given to mystique.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: You know like mystique was able to mimic gene gray in the.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: In the movies, morph kind of did what gene gray couldn't do in this show, which was tell him that you know she loved him you know which is what he needed to hear.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a long running thing where, like, gene gray clearly loves wolverine as well and wolverine clearly loves gene gray, but they can never tell each other.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: So I, I love that, you know, like he was uh, totally unconscious and morph was able to be.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Like gene gray won't tell you this, but I guess I can and you know I thought, I thought that was really powerful yeah, that, that that was.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Like, like from start to end this show this season, really like, just like, rocked you with every episode, man.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: So without getting too bogged up in the three episode finale, the show does leave you off on a cliffhanger.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: We have some of the team in the future and some of the team in the past.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: So some of the team that's in the future get to see a random tribe of mutants and one of the mutants that they meet is a young cable or you know like uh, you know like their, their son, before he becomes cable, basically.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: And the other team that goes into the past, which includes magneto and charles xavier.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: They get to meet and sabah noor, which is apocalypse before he becomes apocalypse.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see how they you know like incorporate this future seasons, because if they continue the storytelling prowess that they did within the first season of the show, the second season is going to be just phenomenal dude, you get an apocalypse season.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Dude it's we've already gonna make up for x-men apocalypse that we've gotten we've already gotten apocalypse in the animated series, but it wasn't very good, you know, it was just kind of campy, it's kind of corny, but like seeing like an origin story of apocalypse through this kind of lens.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Chef kiss, chef's kiss.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was cool let's, let's do it let's do it, uh, anthony.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Final thoughts on x-men 97 it is worth the watch, it is worth the attention.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: If you can draw your attention away from tiktok and instagram and social media and amazon shopping and whatnot.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: It's definitely worth it.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: It's, it's, it's an amazing season.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: It'll keep you gripped from start to finish, especially if you love x-men, like it's.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: It gives you.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: If you love the original show, you'll love this one even more no more flappy bird for you.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Watch x-men 97, um, you guys, thank you so much for watching us here, or watching us well, thank you so much for listening to us here for our 94th episode of project ecology, uh, covering x-men 97.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: This was basically our uh end credit scene to our 14 episode podcast about the fox x-men uh movies and we're very excited to, you know, kind of be done with it.
• 1:02:56
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• 1:03:26
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