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Jim Bowden: Manager hot seats, Shaw’s demotion, Soto missing Judge? Paris smash, Vladdy’s market impact · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I like the unfiltered part of this show.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's not filtered, right, you say whatever you think,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you feel. That's kind of what I want from
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  Speaker 2: players too. I want from managers.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay if we all tell the truth.
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  Speaker 3: Off his unfiltered time with FT resident GM Jim Bowden,
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  Speaker 3: He's back, JB. I always like to hit the articles too,
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  Speaker 3: when you put something out there and get a little
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  Speaker 3: more context. Let's hit your article and one or two
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  Speaker 3: players from seven former Day one MLB draft picks showing
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  Speaker 3: signs of a breakthrough early this season.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I think one of the
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  Speaker 2: things that happens in baseball is you get these top
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  Speaker 2: draft picks and they get to the big leagues and
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  Speaker 2: they struggle their first year, maybe they struggle their second year,
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  Speaker 2: and then we always have people that give up on them,
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  Speaker 2: media fans, baseball people instead of really understanding patience.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that easy.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, there's the you know, Bryce Harper's and the Mike
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  Speaker 2: Trouts that perform pretty well quickly, but even guys like
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Judge and Trout didn't hit their first cup of
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  Speaker 2: coffee in the major leagues, and so you know, I
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  Speaker 2: just wrote the article just to remind people that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these were seven names that people weren't really talking about,
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  Speaker 2: that people were giving up. And it's great to see
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  Speaker 2: some of these guys off to great starts. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: let's start with Kyron Paris of the Los Angeles Angels.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is a guy that was a second
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  Speaker 2: round pick, extremely athletic, struggled when he came to the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues, you know, hit under the Mendoza level.
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  Speaker 1: But this year, you know, he.
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  Speaker 2: Moved back in the batter's box five inches. He opened
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  Speaker 2: up his stance, sees the ball better, uses his core better,
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  Speaker 2: very athletic, quick twitch muscles. He's leading the American League
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  Speaker 2: in war right now with five homers and five steals
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  Speaker 2: on a one and a half war It's just fun
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  Speaker 2: to see that. And then take Tyler Sodostrom of the
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  Speaker 2: of the Athletics. How many people had him leading the
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  Speaker 2: league in home runs right now with eight? How many
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  Speaker 2: people like?
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  Speaker 4: Not a lot?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I remember twenty twenty three when he had won sixty
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  Speaker 2: even I wasn't a believer on what I was seeing.
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  Speaker 2: And yet David Force, the GM and Billy Bean, one
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  Speaker 2: of the owners, kept telling me, don't worry about him.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be thirty one hundred. Be bajit with him.
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  Speaker 2: He'll eventually get there, and you know, it looks like
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  Speaker 2: he's finally going to get there this year. And then
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  Speaker 2: there's Spencer Torkelsen of the Tigers, who the front office said,
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  Speaker 2: you lost the first base job in the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: Cole Keith is.
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  Speaker 2: Going to play first, Torres is going to play second,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to make the team. There's no guarantee
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  Speaker 2: you we're going to make the team, you know, And
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  Speaker 2: so he was a wake up call for him.
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  Speaker 1: But he made adjustments.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: He's now really staying on his backside extremely well.
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  Speaker 1: He's just dropping the bad head.
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  Speaker 2: Like he did at Arizona State when he broke the
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  Speaker 2: home run record, and he looks like the guy that
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  Speaker 2: was drafted that we all thought would hit thirty and
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  Speaker 2: drive in one hundred. But I guess my point is
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these guys get taken in the first
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  Speaker 2: or second round. They struggle their first couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: People give up on them. And my point is, don't
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  Speaker 2: give up on him. Help them give them time. There's
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  Speaker 2: a reason why our algorithms say the prime years for
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  Speaker 2: a baseball player is twenty four to thirty.
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  Speaker 5: Jim, before I asked my question, what kind of what
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  Speaker 5: kind of hoodie do you have on today? Because I
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  Speaker 5: was disappointed. I thought, normally, you know you have Gucci
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  Speaker 5: or Louis Vuitton. What is that one?
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  Speaker 4: Today?
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  Speaker 2: We got a little DOLTI Gabana going on only doan.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, that's what I thought. You know, when he first
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  Speaker 5: came on, he had to go change because it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: name brand enough.
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  Speaker 2: So for you, I've got a lot of Alo though
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  Speaker 2: I actually lead the league in Alo hoodies.
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  Speaker 5: To be honest, really, I like it interesting. I never
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  Speaker 5: had one of those. All right, you're talking about guys
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  Speaker 5: that have struggled to begin with. We were just talking about
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  Speaker 5: Matt Shaw with the Cubs. He got sent to Triple A.
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  Speaker 5: I've said, he's got a ton of movement.
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  Speaker 4: He's got to.
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  Speaker 5: Clean some of it up to be a productive big
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  Speaker 5: league hitter. This is in the end for Matt Shaw,
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  Speaker 5: right Like, he can go down, make some adjustments, he'll
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  Speaker 5: be back. And I think that's one of the things
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  Speaker 5: you just talked about, is just because guys struggle early
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  Speaker 5: doesn't mean just to write them off. Automatically, guys get
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  Speaker 5: second chances, and when they do, they just have to
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  Speaker 5: cash in.
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  Speaker 2: On Yeah, there's a lot of unpacked kind of here
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  Speaker 2: with like an onion right. So Maryland, he was short,
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  Speaker 2: quick to the ball right, reminded me a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about Josel Tuve was coming up right, just dropped the
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  Speaker 2: barrelhead contact, surprising power for the size. You know, looks
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  Speaker 2: like he can hit. Hit eventually twenty five homers in
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  Speaker 2: the big leagues, you know, and a couple of things
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  Speaker 2: happened here number one for him to make the team
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  Speaker 2: out of spring training. Obviously, it was a mistake because
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  Speaker 2: I don't like setting a guy out after twenty games
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  Speaker 2: of failure. I don't think it's fair. What was hitting
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  Speaker 2: one seventy twenty games and you're gone.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that.
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  Speaker 2: I saw the Cardinals do with Jordan Walker in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three and kind of ruined.
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  Speaker 1: Him for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we got big league stars like Markius Simeon
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  Speaker 2: hitting one seventeen, Ener Diaz hitting one twenty another top
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  Speaker 2: rookie Dylan Cruise hitting one twenty eight. Like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: care what you do the first twenty games, because these
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  Speaker 2: young rookies, you know, they have never faced this kind
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  Speaker 2: of pitching in their life, and you know, nine innings
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  Speaker 2: of it every single night. They've never seen it, So
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  Speaker 2: you can have to just but give them time. Twenty
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  Speaker 2: games isn't enough, So either you made him make the
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  Speaker 2: team before he should have, or you send him out
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  Speaker 2: too quick in my opinion, but to your point, AJ
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  Speaker 2: and I agree with this completely. He's got a lot
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  Speaker 2: going on preliminary and because he's got so much going on,
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  Speaker 2: there is no way he's going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: tie major league fastballs, major league breaking balls, change up,
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  Speaker 2: and the differential that he's going to see pitch to pitch.
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  Speaker 2: With all that going on, he needs to go back
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  Speaker 2: and be like he was a few years ago. Just short, compact,
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  Speaker 2: quick to the ball. And when he does that, he's
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  Speaker 2: going to be really good. Look, he's not gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a great defender, but he'll be able to make the
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  Speaker 2: routine plays and I do think he's going to hit.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it's really disappointing that you send a
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  Speaker 2: rookietto after only twenty games. I just don't like that idea.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, JB, I'm going to stay on the Cubs with
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  Speaker 3: you for a moment, because that wasn't the only move
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  Speaker 3: they made. The other ones won't attract as much attention.
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  Speaker 3: But do you get a sense that the Cubs are
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  Speaker 3: going to operate differently because this front office needs to
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  Speaker 3: get this team into the playoffs and if we can
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  Speaker 3: even push that forward to the trade deadline, it's never
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  Speaker 3: too early to talk about it. Maybe the Cubs get
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  Speaker 3: very involved in a Sandy al Contra sweepstakes if he
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  Speaker 3: gets the command in gear. And obviously they just lost
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  Speaker 3: Justin Steele as well. So what do you think about
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  Speaker 3: this front office telling us we're in win now mode
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  Speaker 3: at all costs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's winner get fired, right. Jeduary knows that, right.
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  Speaker 2: Carter Hawkins knows that it's winner get fired. That's why
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  Speaker 2: they made the Tucker deal. You don't make the Kyle
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  Speaker 2: Tucker trade if you think you're going to be their
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  Speaker 2: long term. You do not give up six years of
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  Speaker 2: Cam Smith for what appears to be one year of
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker. So you have to do everything you can
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  Speaker 2: to win right now. And again, I don't think you
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  Speaker 2: send that Shaw down if you don't feel that sense
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  Speaker 2: of urgency from ownership you haven't been extended, your contracts
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  Speaker 2: are up, you feel the pressure. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I picked the Cubs to win this division, so I
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  Speaker 2: think they're going to be able to keep their job.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think when you see moves like they're
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  Speaker 2: making this quickly out of the gate when they don't
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  Speaker 2: need to, I think it tells you the sense of
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  Speaker 2: urgency as the Tucker deal did. I also think it's
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  Speaker 2: extremely important in this front office does everything they can
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  Speaker 2: to try to sign Kyle Tucker as soon as possible
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  Speaker 2: and not let him get to free agency, because if
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  Speaker 2: you let him get to free agency and lose them
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  Speaker 2: after trading Campsmith to get them, you know, that's one
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  Speaker 6: How much of this urgency is coming from, let's say
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  Speaker 6: Craig Council's urgency where the manager is. How many managers
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  Speaker 6: get off to that bat start and they feel like
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  Speaker 6: they're in the hot seat because over the last five
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  Speaker 6: years we've kind of seen it's been rare where there's
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  Speaker 6: not too many in season manager changes. So maybe they're
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  Speaker 6: not as a hot seat as we think they are.
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  Speaker 6: But overall there seems to be some pressure when your
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  Speaker 6: manager might be on the same hot seat that you
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  Speaker 6: are as a player.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is different in Chicago because Craig Council
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  Speaker 2: is not on the hot seat. His job is getting
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  Speaker 2: paid eight million a year. He's fine. He's considered one
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  Speaker 2: of the best managers in baseball. He's going nowhere. He
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  Speaker 2: was very critical indirectly on the front office the end
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  Speaker 2: of last year, just saying we have a long way
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  Speaker 2: to go before we're a legitimate postseason team, and the
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  Speaker 2: front office reacted because their jobs online, but Councils signed
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  Speaker 2: beyond this year. Jed Hoyer is not. And you know
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  Speaker 2: when you have an executive like Jed Hoyer who doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have any job security after this year from the owner. Look,
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  Speaker 2: as a front office executive, you know where you stand.
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  Speaker 2: And when you're in a division in the NL Central
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  Speaker 2: where it's winnable, it's not a great division, you better win.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going to do everything they can to win.
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  Speaker 2: And sure, if Sandy al Contra is traded in July,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if he's able to give ten twelve great
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  Speaker 2: starts and prove the teams that he's going to be
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  Speaker 2: the pitcher that he was when he won the Cy
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  Speaker 2: Young Award. I absolutely believe the Chicago Cubs will be
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  Speaker 2: in that race to get all contra like everybody else will.
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  Speaker 6: By the way, I agree counsel might not have been
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  Speaker 6: my mess example, But would you say, and I'm not
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  Speaker 6: even happy that we have to talk about this twenty
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  Speaker 6: games into the season, but of across the league, what
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  Speaker 6: managers would you say need to win this year? What
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  Speaker 6: managers are on the hot seat if their teams just
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  Speaker 6: don't come out the gates the right way like they
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  Speaker 6: might be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. You know, I think people
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  Speaker 2: are going to give the obvious. You know, Bud Black
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  Speaker 2: in Colorado, you know, how many years are you going
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  Speaker 2: to finish in the last place before you make a
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  Speaker 2: managerial change?
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  Speaker 1: And of course he's one.
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  Speaker 2: Of the most popular people in baseball, is such a
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  Speaker 2: great guy. But that's going to be an obvious name.
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  Speaker 2: Carlos Marmel and Aliam Marmal in Saint Louis of course
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  Speaker 2: is going to be in that list because hein Bloom
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  Speaker 2: is going to take over and when you take over
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  Speaker 2: a team normally want your own guy in that spot.
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  Speaker 2: So I think you know, I think he's on the
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  Speaker 2: hot seat, but I'm not sure you know, he can
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  Speaker 2: win anyway with that team. But I think it's more
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  Speaker 2: about who's coming in. I think we have a chance
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  Speaker 2: that you know, Bruce Bochi or Brian Snicker retire. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they're on the hot seat, but I think
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  Speaker 2: there's a chance that they walk away at the end
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  Speaker 2: of this year.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a real possibility.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm going to go kind of out on a
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  Speaker 2: limb and give you a couple that I think have
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  Speaker 2: to win. So I think the hot seat or the
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  Speaker 2: ones that should move the need a little bit. I
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  Speaker 2: think Brandon Hyde and Baltimore and Schneider in Toronto are
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  Speaker 2: the two guys that have to win. I think they've
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  Speaker 2: got to take their teams to the playoffs or I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they'll have their jobs. And if they're out
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  Speaker 2: of it in June or July and all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden they're dumping it, I think either one of those
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  Speaker 2: guys could be the first manager fired in season.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, well, I think Schneider. I think he is a
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  Speaker 5: little more surprising than Schneider. Yeah, in those two names,
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  Speaker 5: you did mention Bud Black in Colorado, and he's been
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  Speaker 5: there geez, ten years, not even exactly sure, he's been
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  Speaker 5: there a long time. But if you were in the GM,
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  Speaker 5: the president of baseball offs in Colorado, what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: What do you do?
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  Speaker 5: Because it's like the ownership won't give us money to
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  Speaker 5: go out and get guys. When we go out and
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  Speaker 5: sign Chris Bryan, he can't play because he always seems
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  Speaker 5: to be hurt.
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  Speaker 4: But yet we don't.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we draw almost three million fans every year, so
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  Speaker 5: the owners are happy because they're making their money. If
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  Speaker 5: you're in charge there, what's your path to success? And
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  Speaker 5: a really tough division?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So if I'm in charge there, then you're telling
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  Speaker 2: me I'm the owner. So if I'm the owner, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to make a change at president GM manager and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to completely clean house and I am going
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  Speaker 2: to absolutely one percent rebuild that organization from the bottom up.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, look what they've decided to do in
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  Speaker 2: that organization. And I love Bill Schmidt the GM. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's a great baseball man and a great scout.
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  Speaker 2: That's his best role.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: He's a good talent evaluator of amateur players. But this
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  Speaker 2: team is not keeping up with every other team in baseball.
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  Speaker 2: They don't play in the trade market significantly. Ever, they
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  Speaker 2: don't play in the big free agent market.
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  Speaker 1: Ever. They're all about.
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  Speaker 2: Home grown and they over evaluate their own prospects, so
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  Speaker 2: instead of trading prospects when their value is high in
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  Speaker 2: the industry, they hold on to them until the prospects
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  Speaker 2: no longer carry their value. Not run properly, they have
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  Speaker 2: a very shallow front office. They're well behind in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of areas like analytics and technology, and that's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I love Bud Black, and I would keep
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  Speaker 2: them in the organization, you know, in some kind of role,
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  Speaker 2: but I think i'd probably go with a younger, more
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  Speaker 2: development oriented, you know, leadership group there and change the
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  Speaker 2: way they do business completely because they're just far behind
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  Speaker 2: in the times.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, Jim, I've said this on the show repeatedly.
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  Speaker 5: They need to do something crazy. They need to go
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  Speaker 5: full raise and shift and go Joe Madden or openers
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  Speaker 5: or just try something because everything they tried for years
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  Speaker 5: hasn't worked. I know, they made the surprise run to
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  Speaker 5: the World Series, and was that two thousand and seven
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  Speaker 5: when they got they won like twenty five of twenty
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  Speaker 5: six games to get to the World Series. But other
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  Speaker 5: than that, and when they had the Blake Street Bombers,
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  Speaker 5: but other than that, it has not been a long
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  Speaker 5: term success of anything. And they've had some really good
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  Speaker 5: players go through there. So at some point you got
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  Speaker 5: to try something crazy. I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 5: Whether you just go all mash like the Indians did
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  Speaker 5: back in the day with Manny and Tony and all
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  Speaker 5: those guys, and the Blake Street Bombers did back when
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  Speaker 5: they first started, I don't know, but you got to
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  Speaker 5: do something different because what they're doing now ain't working.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you got to go back in history
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  Speaker 1: and say what did work?
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  Speaker 2: You know when you mentioned them winning, and it was
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  Speaker 2: the Blake Street Bombers, right, it was a lineup that
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  Speaker 2: just pounded and took advantage of cors Field. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you do we all understand it's the best offensive stadium
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  Speaker 2: to play eighty one games, So why don't you build
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  Speaker 2: your team around taking advantage of those eighty one games
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  Speaker 2: and try to win sixty or seventy of those eighty
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  Speaker 2: one games so you can play five hundred on the
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  Speaker 2: road and be in the postseason. You got you have
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: to do things differently, but you also you can't get
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: too far behind your opponents in the front office right
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: now with artificial intelligence seeping in the analytics and technology
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: these teams have.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, where's We're seeing really smart.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Executives from five years ago falling behind in twenty twenty five,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: executives that I really respect, that really were ahead of
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: the game in terms of analytics five years ago, and
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they fell behind some of the
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: best front offices in baseball. And you've got to be
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: really careful right now to not get too far behind.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: And Colorado's way behind.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Yep, I'm with you, all right. So this one had
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: front office implications around baseball. We have an audio on
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: since and you put this out there in an article
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: and on Twitter. Let's get some video evidence here from
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: you as well. On Vladdie Junior's extension. So you said,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: I'm really happy for Vladdie, the Blue Jays and MLB
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: players starting with Kyle Tucker. But for MLB teams this
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: extension is disastrous and will change the market for star
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: players forever.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Why.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's start with because everyone's going to point
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: to Shoiotani's seven hundred million. But if you look at
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: the net present value of that deal, it was between
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: four sixty and four to eighty, depending upon what accounting
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: firm you want to believe in. For sixty to four eighty,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: that's that's all it was. And we're talking about the
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: best player on the planet. And then everyone's gonna point
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: to Juan Soto's seven sixty five. But I'll argue that's
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: a generational talent. I'll argue that's the Ted Williams of
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: this era. And I'll also argue that was the Yankees
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: and Mets doing crazy things. Why because they can? And
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw those two out.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I just am. And so then I'm gonna look.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: At the rest of the market of players similar to Guerrero, Right,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: So I am going to look at Rafaeld Devers, I'm
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: gonna look at Corey seeger Manny Machado, Fernando Tatis, Junior,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Mookie Betts, Aaron Judge. All of those guys were between
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: three hundred and three sixty five, all of them, that's
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: where they were. Trey Turner was three hundred nine. I
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: can give you a name after night. All of them
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: were in that little box. And now you just took
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: that box and you put it five hundred million. You
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: just put it at five hundred. I can't argue now.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I cannot. Now I can't sit there and tell Kyle
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Tucker that, no, you need to be paid where Becks
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: and Judge were paid.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: You need to be paid where Machado.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: No, No, Guerrero's there now, right, we have Soda, we
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: have Otawni. He's not gonna ask to be paid more
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: than them, but he's gonna ask to get more than
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Guerrero and he's going to get it. He's now gonna
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: be between five hundred and six hundred. So look this signing.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm happy for players I am. I'm happy for Laddie.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I love Laddie, right, I think it's great. I'm happy
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: for him. But for the twenty nine other clubs that
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: are trying to get Pete, especially small to midtal markets,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: to know that if I have to sign a star
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: in free agency that's twenty six to twenty eight years old,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: that I'm gonna have to pay now five hundred and
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: six hundred million, twice as much as Bryce Harper and
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Nanny Machado and Corey Seger and Trey Turner are getting.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's funny.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: And by the way, I said, Lotti played him perfectly.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Lottie played that. H'm believing his agents deserve a ton
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: of credit because they played him so good and they
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: got a unbelievable deal and one that I'm still kind
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: of like, Wow, I can't believe you got it. You
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: mentioned a guy in there, though, Wan Soto, you called
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: the Ted Williams of his time. He's already made quotes about,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: oh I don't have Aaron Judge hitting behind me. I'm
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: not gonna like what what you got?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Peter A.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Lonzo's raking behind you. He's on fire. What do you
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: want you're supposed to be? You just sat up Ted
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Williams your generation. Heck, Barry Bondsen carry was hitting in
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: front of him or behind him. He just walked war.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: But I don't know.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: I think it's a little early for one Soda to
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: already be saying, oh man, I don't have Aaron Judge already.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I think if you signed Sodo, you shouldn't be
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: expecting the Sodo we saw last year with the Yankees.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Right with the Yankee Stadium and right field and Judge
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: hitting behind you, I think you're getting the one Soto
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: that we saw in Washington win a World Series. I
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: think you're getting the Soto we saw in San Diego.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: That's the player you're you're paying for. You know, he's
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: off to a little bit of a slow start, but
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a slow start for him is thirty nine percent on
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: base percentage and on pace for twenty seven homers. It's
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: a bad start for him. But you know, I'm expecting
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: about you. I'm expecting four to twenty on base and
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: thirty five homers. I'm not expecting forty four homers. And yeah,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: when when Judge is hitting behind you, the best hitter
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: in the American League, I'm gonna pitch to you more
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: than I'm gonna pitch to you. If Alonzo's there, now,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Alonso's gonna do damage and right now, Yeah, he's the
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: best there of the National League, right and I think
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: he's gonna at forty and drive it one hundred and
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: twenty because he's gonna benefit from having Lindnor and Soco
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: in front of him. But sure, with one, you just
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: got seven hundred and sixty five million, and Judge isn't
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: behind you. Yeah, I'm gonna let Alonzo beat me, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be really careful. How I pitched to a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: seven hundred and sixty five million dollar player, So I
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: think it's accurate that being said, One SODA's gonna hit
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: regardless of who's hitting in front of him or behind him.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: He'll finish with an on base percentage. It starts with
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a four, he'll end up with home runs. It begins
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: with a three. That's just what he is. And he'll
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: bring personality. He'll bring the Sodo shuffle, he'll sign autographs,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: he'll have that great smile. I'll get the cover him
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: at the All Star Game and.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: In the postseason. So yeah, I'm okay with it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: Why can't you expect it?
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Though?
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: Why can't you expect the year he had last year? Jim,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, Kip agrees with me. I think, why can't
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: you expect that you paid him seven hundred and sixty
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: five million You paid him on last year, as they say,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: your platform year, but then you don't expect to get
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: those numbers like I'm thinking, maybe we should.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a little bit. I guess it's like
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: when I traded for Ken Griffey Jr.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Right, and I traded for junior, and I thought I
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: was getting the junior that he was in Seattle, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: then you know, I got one year like that, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: then you know he had some injuries, but you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't get exactly that the rest of his career.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And I can look at Miguel Cabrera and Albert Poohols
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and all these other guys, and I can give you
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the same storyline here. I think that he was coming
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: off his best year, and I never expect a player
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to always come and be able to repeat your best year.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's better to look at a player's career
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and what he did the four years prior to signing him,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: and I think you can put that in a blender
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and warned it all up and then take the average numbers,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and that's really.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: What you're paying for.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: And I think you have to give credit to Yankee Stadium,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: where if you had to pop up to right field,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: it's a home run and it's gonna pad your numbers.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I don't care what anybody says, and if Aaron Judge
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: is behind you, it's gonna pad your.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Numbers a little bit more.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, we saw it watching him play last year
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: and I think the reason I don't expect to repeat
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: it is I saw how he did it last year,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and I saw how pitchers, you know, treated him with
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Judge behind him, they pitched to him, and I did
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: not expect that to happen. With the Mets hitting two
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: behind Lindor, I did not.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Stat cast park factor, and they like to take a
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: few years of sample size. City Field is twenty third
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: best for hitters. Yankee Stadium is eleventh best for hitters. Okay,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: it's a big different difference.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll be fine. I'm just it's just we just
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: have had this conversation for a couple of days. When
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: you make the back of the New York Post, Jim,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: and you're twenty games into your met career, for some
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: quotes about there's some there's a there's a topic there,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: right or wrong, there's a topic there because you kind
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: of if I played for the Yankees or the Mets,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: I kind of never want to be on the post
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: unless it's like I hit a walk off home run
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: or something. I don't ever want to have something on
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: the back side where it's like, eh, I don't know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: you know, and you got Hayman and and all these guys,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: and you know, writing about it, it's sherman. You know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: it's like I'd rather just hide in the shadows and
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: do my job and be the Derek Jeter. Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess with one, it's a little different.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Right, Like when I interviewed him in spring training, he
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: was really open about everything. And I kind of respect
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: that about one because you know, he'll talk and he'll
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: say things, and if he says the wrong thing, it's
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: okay because he's transparent in what he's thinking of what
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: he's feeling. And he came out there and said, look,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: they're pitching me different. You know, I had the best
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: there in baseball behind me and they're pitching me. Well
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: they are, So is it wrong to say? I mean,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: sure it is. With the media and the fans, I
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: get it. I understand the critics. Is you paid seven
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: and sixty five million say the right thing?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I like the unfiltered part of this show, right, it's
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: not filtered. Right, you say whatever you think, whatever you feel.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I want from players too, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I want from managers. It's okay if we all tell
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the truth. We don't always have to be politically correct.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, I've had a lot
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of bad publicity in my career. I've had good publicity.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: It's not a bad thing to be on the back
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: page of the New York Post, even if it's negative.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Tru and Mike drop on that last part too. Yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: we want the transparent.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: We love the transparency. I want them to talk. It's just,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: you know, it's just a topic.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: When you say things, trust me, Jim, you're talking about
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: the person that's had everything said about him. So, I mean,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: I've been on every back page, front page, middle page,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: inside page, every page you could be on.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: But you know, it's just it's just a topic to
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: talk about. You being a GM, former GM and in
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: charge of baseball. I just wanted to get your opinion
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: on it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. Well it's different.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: If you want me to put the GM hat my
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: hands is a.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Little bit different. I don't want no, we want the truth.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: We want to truy somebody I know. But in this job, yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: let's put it out there. In that job, you have.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: To sell tickets, and you have to work pr and
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the fan base is extremely important, and so you always.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Got to tell the truth.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: But it's okay if we say some right things as
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: well instead of some negative comments, because sometimes the pr
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: perspective of it makes it difficult. When you're sitting in
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the GM or the presidents of the owner seats, health.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: On base forty plus percent of the time and thirty
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: plus homers every season for a while, Mets.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Fans will be hat win.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: They gotta win.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: They gotta win, that's true, and right now they're winning.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: JB. Awesome SAG. We'll catch you next week, all right,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: look forward to it.