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PODCAST: Episode 854 - Who Should Be Next In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (Rock, Metal, and Punk) · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  None. Sorry, what's up everybody?
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  It's Kefi. Kefi.
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  How's everybody doing tonight? I am doing just fine.
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  Like I said, Soundgarden got in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
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  this weekend, long overdue, and it had me thinking that I should
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  come on here and forecast who else should be in.
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  The list is long. On one hand, Nina's here.
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  What's up, Nina? On one hand, fuck the Rock and
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  Roll Hall of Fame. On the other hand, just fun to
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  talk about and debate. So I like doing that.
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  but any who, which also means like I can save recordings to
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  vertical view and then upload them later.
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  Stream yard. The for the magic of stream yard
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  making it happen for ghost cult. But anyway, yeah, sound garden
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  in the rock hall. I know the Rock and roll Hall of
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  Fame is a bone of contention for a lot of people.
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  Skull bashers here. What's up?
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  I'm really bummed that I can't go live on on the gram.
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  It's like shitting the battle. But anyway, yeah, I thought I
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  would come on and and put some thought onto this.
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  I polled a few friends and I was like, you know what, let's let's
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  do this thing. So I put together a little, as
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  usual, a visual aid just aids the visual aids.
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  And, you know, obviously it goes without saying there's a lot of
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  bands that should be in. Does the Hall of Fame even
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  matter? Is it antithetical to rock and
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  metal and punk to even be in a Hall of Fame?
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  I know a lot of people are mad about the other genres of bands
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  that are in the Hall of Fame, but from the very beginning, the
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  Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a private club and usually we're
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  not invited. But you know, when they started
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  to put in heavier bands and, you know, ACDC was out for a long
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  time, they were eligible for many years, and they got in like
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  20 years after they were able to get in.
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  So, you know, I think it's inherently interesting to talk
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  about. I think it's very good that
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  Soundgarden got in. I'm proud to say I was an OG
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  Soundgarden fan. Even, you know, even from, you
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  know, my earliest days as a fan, I'm glad to say that I was on
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  board very early. I think there's a lot of bands
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  that deserve to be in that haven't been in.
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  What's up, Tim? Nobody goes.
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  Cultist passes through. So yeah, let's just chop it up
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  and talk about it and see what we can do here.
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  Anything. It's also not working today.
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  Well, seeking a spark. Again, another another device
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  letting me down. All right, here we go.
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  Anywho, rock'n'roll. So, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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  Let's talk about it. First off, some of the minutiae.
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  Let's talk about it. Obviously, you know, I tried to,
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  hey, crank it up, Kitty. I tried to break these down the
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  kind of the most obvious, you know, whatever the most obvious
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  ones were in terms of, you know, obviously predominantly metal,
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  but a little bit of Hard Rock post grunge, all those little
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  different subgenres. But realistically, as much as I
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  love death metal, death metal is not going to get in the Rock and
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  Roll Hall of Fame. Some of the metal bands are not
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  going to get in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, to be honest,
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  just because it's just not for the mainstream.
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  It's not big enough for the mainstream consumption.
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  So I tried to think about the criteria that the Rock Hall has.
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  I didn't include any rappers, although there's a whole bunch
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  of rappers I could see being in. Usually one or two rock bands
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  get in every year, usually one older and one more modern.
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  And there's a few bands that I think I might have, you know,
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  there's a few more I'll kind of give an honorable mention shout
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  out to, but I just didn't focus on I am this year.
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  What up, what up? Good to see you would like to
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  see some hardcore and punk bands get in.
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  We'll talk about them. I didn't really include any
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  bands from the last 10 or 15 years.
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  So there's not going to be Ghost, there's not going to be
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  Sleep Token, There's a spirit box fan, Spirit box fans.
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  I think most popular metal core is not yet big enough to get in.
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  Although I could see eventually some of the metal core,
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  mainstream E metal core bands getting in and I was very
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  selective about, you know, who I considered for a few avant-garde
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  picks. So let's see what you guys
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  think. Drop a comment who you think has
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  been snubbed and who is not in the Hall of Fame that you feel
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  like you're to be in that has not been in.
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  Drop a comment and I will try to shout it out in the comments
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  myself, at least on the accounts that I can check out.
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  Let's see, see if it'll let me log into my other account.
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  So at least I can watch on at Ghost called Kefi on Instagram
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  and YouTube, by the way, that you can now follow at Ghost
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  called Kefi 666. So you know, first and foremost,
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  first and foremost, it's you know, it's got to be it's got to
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  be Maiden, right? Like priest got in, Sabbath is
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  in Maiden has to be in. I know it's sort of a very
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  American rock and roll Hall of Fame.
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  And there's, you know, only the classic rock British bands get
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  in. We did see Bad Company get in
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  personally. Hey, thank you.
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  I am for the gift. I think, you know, personally,
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  I'm I always thought Bad Company was like the hall of very good.
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  And again, this is just for discussion for fundies.
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  Like I don't I don't take it too seriously.
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  You shouldn't take it too seriously.
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  You know, my word is not law. I don't have a vote in the Rock
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  and Roll Hall of Fame or the Grammys.
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  I just love dunking on them and discussing them because people
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  love talking about them. You know, people just love
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  talking about them. So anyway, let's see one more
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  second trying to get that that gram one more chance.
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  I will not sing Biggie. One more chance.
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  No crank it up. 23 is back. What's up, Sir?
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  Boston, Kansas Styx Maiden priest is in already and the
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  Cure I believe is in already also.
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  But good call on all those. You know, Boston is, you know,
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  seems like there is many radio hits as they have.
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  They're very underrated and the same with Styx.
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  I think Styx kind of went too far down the middle of the road
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  for me, but I do appreciate the, you know, I appreciate the the
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  drop in there. They, you know, they absolutely
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  should have been in by now. And let's see if I can get
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  Instagram to cooperate. See doesn't seem to want to help
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  all right anyway, so Maiden is my first kind of obvious Maiden
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  metal band and like I said, I broke it down by metal more like
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  Hard Rock and mainstream grunt rock and then some punk bands.
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  You tell me who your bands are which you agree with Eastman and
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  just like with the sports Hall of Fame's again, it's my my
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  opinion is very subjective as a you know, 53 year old white guy
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  from New York City that lives in California and you know I have a
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  minor in musicology and I played in bands for a long time.
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  So I have very strong opinions about who should be and should
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  not be in. I wouldn't have put bad company
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  in, but I understand why I like boomers think bad company is
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  like, you know, one of the most incredible bands.
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  I never did so Maiden number one with a bullet.
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  They have to get in. It's it's kind of ridiculous.
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  I think even though Bruce and and Steve Harris have said they
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  would not accept an invitation in, they should absolutely be
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  in. They will take it if they get
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  invited it, you know, if they get nominated, they're going to
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  be grateful and probably tell the line like everyone does.
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  Next up, Soundgarden is in. Why not Alice In Chains?
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  Alice In Chains his first year of eligibility.
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  You have to be a band for 25 years and have a, you know,
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  output for 25 years. And I feel like Alice In Chains
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  feel to be in next year, like they absolutely need to be in.
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  And I think they've only become, you know, they, they got their
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  career kind of abruptly interrupted because of drugs and
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  other issues in the band, not just Lane Staley and Mike Starr.
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  But everybody in the band was fucked up on something.
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  And it's not fair to just say it's Lane's fault that the band,
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  you know, their meteoric rise was halted.
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  Would have been really interesting to see if they had
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  come back in like 98 or 99 with like a another full length
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  album, what that would have done after the Unplugged and
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  everything. Too bad they couldn't.
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  But yeah, Alice In Chains just boggles the mind.
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  They're better than some other bands that I'm sure other people
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  feel like should be it to me. And they're still out and
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  they're still vital all these years later.
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  And they did get a second act, which most people don't get a
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  second act. Also also Dio, Ozzy getting in
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  as a solo artist made me feel like Dio absolutely needs to be
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  in. Obviously he did not get
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  inducted with Black Sabbath, which kind of sucks and is
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  stupid. Certainly they got an extension
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  of their early career because of Dio into the 80s and 90s that
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  kept them, as you know, huge and relevant as they had to be.
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  So I feel like Dio, you know, maybe it's not a foregone
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  conclusion, but if you add up his whole career, rainbow Black
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  Sabbath, DO solo heaven and hell later, basically Black Sabbath
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  again with DO, you really can't complain that, you know, you
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  really can't argue that it's not worthy.
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  You know, that somehow they don't rate because I think they
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  do rate. I think they do, you know, So
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  there's that DO for sure. Let me know in the comments if
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  you agree or not. Also Pantera.
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  I think the Pantera reunion, especially with the goodwill
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  know where we're coming up on the 10th anniversary of
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  Phillips. Very unfortunate, you know,
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  racist, dumb shit, but he's kept it quiet for a decade.
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  I think he's going to have a cheap place to have a huge year
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  next year with Pantera and down with new releases and maybe some
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  scowl touring in there to scour touring in there also.
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  So, you know, maybe Pantera should be it.
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  It certainly would be, you know, valuable to get the brothers the
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  nod. They deserve it.
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  They're not here anymore. You know, I think like, bands
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  ought to get awarded in their lifetime while they're still
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  here. You know, maybe Pantera is
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  perhaps too controversial, but I, I can see it.
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  You know, I don't see that many more.
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  We're about to talk about a whole bunch of strictly metal
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  bands. And I don't know that how many
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  of them will get in in my lifetime.
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  But in terms of worthiness for the Rock Hall, I think Pantera
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  has album sales. They have popularity.
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  They've gotten a new lease on life.
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  I think they'll probably put out a live album, maybe of that
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  little club show they did. I think that would be really
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  fun. Maybe for a record store day in
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  2026. That would be something I would
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  want to buy. And yeah, also also Linkin Park,
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  I think especially, again, another band that's kind of very
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  similar situation. Members passed away, Chester was
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  gone. They're humongous.
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  They just did a world tour of arenas, sold out pretty much
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  every city in the world. And I do see a situation where
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  they get in. There's a lot of probably a big
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  sympathy vote. Not to mention that a lot of the
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  bands that are now coming of age and getting in were peers of, of
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  Linkin Park. And I think Linkin Park is kind
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  of, you know, linked to Soundgarden because of Chester
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  and Chris's relationship. And now that Soundgarden is in,
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  I think you, I think you could see Linkin Park get in in the
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  next few years. This would have been their first
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  year of eligibility this year also.
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  I think, you know, while we're mentioning Soundgarden one more
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  time, I do think it's very possible and probable that Chris
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  Cornell will get in as a solo artist at some point.
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  Also, even though I think some of those solo albums are me, but
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  if you count like, OK, Chris Cordell came from Soundgarden.
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  He went to Audioslave and then he had kind of a big solo
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  career, James Bond theme song, Grammy Awards.
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  I think you know that that goes a long way with the mainstream
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  voters of the Hall. Fucking Houston life.
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  What's up Hue life? I believe so.
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  Linkin Park definitely possible. Also also Faith No More.
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  I think we got hit with the news recently as Roddy Bottom is
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  doing his book tour for his new book The Royal We his memoir
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  that Faith No More is probably unlikely to ever return.
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  That's his opinion. He is one of the founding key
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  members of the band. It just makes sense.
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  Patton doesn't seem to want to have anything to do with them or
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  even contact them or talk to them, which sucks.
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  And he's been, you know, suddenly busy with Bungle and
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  and The Avett Brothers now. So I think it's very possible
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  that Faith the more is never coming back.
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  I think they're hugely influential.
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  I know that the Hall of Fame has like different categories of how
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  they put people in. And I think like, fuck that.
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  It should just be in. You're in or you're not just
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  like the sports Hall of Fame, you're in or you're not in all
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  of very good Hall of Fame. There's a big line.
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  It's not a fine line. It's a huge line actually to me.
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  So, yeah, that's just me. Scott, Jeffrey, what up?
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  Theodore is here. Norm Wilson is here.
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  So I think Faith No More absolutely needs to be in.
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  They influenced tons of bands. They were vital.
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  They came back. They had a second act and
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  reunited. They did 10 years as a reunion
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  act to keep the pandemic screwed them.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  He's just done his own trip. And you don't.
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  You never know what behind the scenes things are going on with
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  them. You know, you really have no way
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  of knowing what the dynamics of the band were.
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  Tool. Tool is not yet eligible for the
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  Rock Hall. I think next year is their first
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  year of eligibility. They are one of the most popular
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  bands. They are more popular now than
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  they have ever been. I keep thinking that they're
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  going to wind it down and wrap it up and go back and work on a
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  new album, but they continue to get some money thrown at them
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  for the tours. So while that's possible,
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  they're going to keep doing it as long as it's motivating and
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  and interesting and fun to them. Next year is the 30th
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  anniversary of Enema. I don't think they would do
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  anything with that like sentimentally or like let's
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  celebrate that album by playing most of it.
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  I don't think that's a thing for Tool at all, especially because
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  they're very high on new music they made with Fear Inoculum and
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  things like that and Lateralus, which they consider like more
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  like the truer form of the band now. 10,000 days, Lateralus and
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  Fear Inoculum is like the band that Tool is today versus Enema
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  and earlier like Undertow. But Fool is hugely popular.
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  Absolutely. You know, very few bands, I say
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  this all the time, very few bands fall into the category of,
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  you know, artistically exceptional and popular.
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  It's very rare. Zeppelin was 1, Pink Floyd was
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  one. Tool is 1, Alice In Chains is 1.
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  They already didn't quite get the popularity they could have.
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  So I feel like Tool is a band of the modern bands that are
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  metalish adjacent. They would get in.
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  And also I think there's probably some progressive rock
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  nerd people voting for the hall that love the prog rock bands.
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  And even though a lot of prog rock bands aren't in, I can see
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  Tool getting in. And I am biased.
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  Tool is one of my favorite bands, but system of a down boy,
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  System of a down is again similar to Tool, you know, comes
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  from a little bit after the the Tool and Rage Against the
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  Machine error rages in Tool. Maybe next system I think would
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  be the first one of those bands along with Linkin Park to get
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  into just enormous now. They're bigger now than they
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  have ever been. I think this test run for
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  stadiums in America is a preliminary thing that they did
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  to see if they could book a whole stadium tour and they
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  clearly can. They're headlining sick new
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  world. They're tour headlining arenas
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  in Europe pretty damn big. I think they would get in again
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  and be questionable whether they would get in because maybe
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  they're too weird or they're too extreme or they're, you know,
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  what are they going to say when they get the microphone?
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  You know, Surge is brilliant. Hey, Badgers here.
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  What's up? Mark, how are you today?
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  We're talking about bands, the next bunch of bands to get in
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  the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame from metal, Hard Rock,
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  alternative rock and Pump. If you've got some pics that
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  should be in. We've already mentioned that
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  Maiden, Alice In Chains, Faith No More all absolutely need to
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  be in Tool would be in on their next chance of eligibility and
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  system of a down in Linkin Park or probably right in the queue.
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  As my British friends say, next they got next.
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  Who do you got? Who do you got next?
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  OK, now for some more heavier bands.
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  Some comments in this live stream were filtered to protect
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  the community's experience. Somebody is shitting the bed in
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  the comments. Keep it clean folks and tell me
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  what you think. Drop a comment with your bands.
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  Who's your favorite band that's not in the Hall of Fame?
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  Slayer. Hard to argue a more influential
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  metal band beside Black Sabbath, Metallica then Slayer.
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  Could Slayer get in singing about Nazis and serial killers?
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  I don't know. Should they be in some Hall of
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  Fame? They are in the metal Hall of
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  Fame, which I don't know if you know that there is a metal Hall
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  of Fame, but there is one. Slayer absolutely should be in
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  some kind of rock and roll Hall of Fame.
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  They they've had a tremendous second act.
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  You know, it's unfortunate that Jeff died young.
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  I don't think they care particularly about being in the
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  Hall of Fame. They have always been an
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  outsider band, even from one of the biggest bands.
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  They are also arguably, oh Man of War dude.
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  I am not a fan and know they shouldn't be in.
• 23:07
  I think Man of War is kind of crappy.
• 23:09
  Man of War is like the, you know, I don't have crew on this
• 23:14
  list and I'll talk about why in a minute.
• 23:16
  I don't think Man of War is good enough.
• 23:18
  And I love Ross the boss and I respect Man of War fans and I
• 23:21
  understand why people love those records.
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  But I just feel like they are too corny to be taken seriously
• 23:29
  as a as a real interesting band. That's just me.
• 23:31
  I never liked them. I also didn't like Saxon.
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  And then I kind of went back and did my homework and I was like,
• 23:36
  oh, Saxon is actually was always really good.
• 23:38
  Why did all my favorite bands make fun of them?
• 23:42
  But yeah, I don't know. So Slayer, not 100% sure that
• 23:48
  they are a lock, but they should be in some kind of theoretical
• 23:53
  Rock and roll Hall of Fame someday.
• 23:56
  Speaking of rockers, unapologetic rockers.
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  This is one of my favorite photos I have ever taken.
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  This is Lenny of Motörhead. I'm sorry for you all on TikTok
• 24:06
  and not appreciate this. Black Clay Demon is now watching
• 24:10
  and Arias is watching. What's up?
• 24:11
  So I think there's a lot of sentiment to put Motörhead in
• 24:15
  the Hall of Fame based on rap they did not have the album
• 24:18
  sales. They did not they everyone
• 24:20
  agrees that that Lemmy and Motörhead are hugely
• 24:23
  influential. And I think if you have people
• 24:25
  like Tom Morello and Dave Grohl in the Hall of Fame stumping for
• 24:31
  Lemmy every year to get nominated, I think if he they
• 24:34
  get nominated, they're going to get it.
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  Although I was pretty sure that Oasis was a lock and I'll talk
• 24:39
  about them in a minute. Let them in I guess.
• 24:43
  Yeah, Motörhead find it should be in.
• 24:45
  They set the template for a lot of things.
• 24:46
  They were pre thrash before thrash there.
• 24:49
  I always say there's a handful of bands that punkers and metal
• 24:53
  heads agree on and Motörhead is one of those bands along with
• 24:56
  Ramones, Misfits and Suicidal. Those are that's the list.
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  I know some people love Social Distortion.
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  I think they also probably could get in, but I don't like them,
• 25:05
  so I didn't put them in later in the spoiler alert.
• 25:08
  I don't have Social D on this list, and I'll tell you now why
• 25:10
  I don't have Mötley Crüe. I think Mötley Crüe, first of
• 25:14
  all, like by design, Mötley Crüe does not want to be in the Hall
• 25:18
  of Fame. I'm sure they would like to be
• 25:20
  in the Hall of Fame. I think they are.
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  You know, they have moments of brilliance, but the reality is
• 25:27
  the vast majority of Motley Crue's career at the kindest is
• 25:31
  uneven and mostly not good. They have three really excellent
• 25:36
  albums, and even those albums are like sevens and eights.
• 25:41
  And I love Shouted the Devil and I love Doctor Feel Good, but
• 25:43
  realistically, not a robots and monsters pass by.
• 25:47
  What's up y'all? And Wendy Liu.
• 25:50
  Hi. Wendy Liu.
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  Yeah. I think Mötley Crüe is not a
• 25:53
  great band. Vince has always been a terrible
• 25:55
  singer, not just now, always been a bad singer.
• 25:58
  And I think the bullshit with them kind of overshadows any of
• 26:02
  the good. But that's me, you know?
• 26:05
  Would they get in? Would I be shocked?
• 26:06
  No. Should they be in their Hall of
• 26:09
  very good at best? They're not a Hall of Fame band.
• 26:11
  Again, Hall of GNR. I think GNR is in, right?
• 26:17
  I assume they were. I did do some research on this.
• 26:24
  Lickety clack. My least favorite thing to do.
• 26:28
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:30
  Two years ago. That's right.
• 26:34
  I think Guns and Roses, yeah, I had Dio at the very top
• 26:38
  actually, right after Maiden. I think Dio, black clad Demon
• 26:42
  GNR is in. I think DIO absolutely should be
• 26:46
  in, especially when you consider The sum of Everything and
• 26:49
  especially because Ozzy got in. Ozzy got in as a solo artist.
• 26:53
  So I mean, how can Dio not be in as a solo artist?
• 26:59
  Hugh says Vince is horrible. He is horrible.
• 27:02
  He was always horrible, he was always horrible and and you
• 27:06
  know, maybe with Man O War black clad demon Appetite for
• 27:11
  destruction is one of the greatest albums ever, man from
• 27:13
  the 80s. What are you talking about, pal?
• 27:16
  I mean, if you don't like them and you hate Axel and you just
• 27:18
  hate them, that's fair. But like to just say it's trash
• 27:22
  when it's like universally respected and loved, you know, I
• 27:26
  don't know. I also hate bands that people
• 27:28
  like. I hate Journey.
• 27:30
  I think Journey sucks. I never liked them.
• 27:32
  I understand why. They have great, great players.
• 27:34
  They have catchy songs, songs that have pervaded the fucking
• 27:38
  rock fucking, you know every fucking drunk white girl in a
• 27:41
  bar I've ever met met. The minute that piano intro
• 27:45
  comes in, you know they fucking go on and on.
• 27:49
  So like eggs be dropping. I don't like Journey.
• 27:53
  I understand why they're hugely popular.
• 27:55
  Not a band for me. Their their their retirement is
• 27:57
  a welcome thing for me. Yeah, Pre Steve Perry Journey,
• 28:01
  dude, Greg Raleigh is incredible.
• 28:03
  Steve is actually listen, Steve is an incredible singer.
• 28:05
  I don't like journey. I hate journey.
• 28:08
  Steve's got a great voice, incredible voice, but like I
• 28:12
  just fucked them fucked Jonathan Cain.
• 28:14
  I feel terrible for Arnelle Pineda.
• 28:16
  Imagine having to be in a band with that those two fucking
• 28:18
  guys. Neil.
• 28:19
  Neil is probably OK, but imagine the drama of the law suing each
• 28:24
  other and never fucking talking and coming on stage and coming
• 28:28
  on stage and you can't fucking give a pound and you can't
• 28:31
  fucking have a beer with the guy and it's just misery.
• 28:34
  Or Arnell, right? Arnell didn't ask for any of
• 28:36
  this. He just came out of obscurity.
• 28:38
  That takes these place, you know?
• 28:41
  Well, of course they were. Santana's Journey was Santana's
• 28:44
  backing band, as Mark points out.
• 28:46
  And oh, I know it's a joke, bro. Like I'm talking about it
• 28:51
  because it's a good for conversation.
• 28:53
  The Metal Hall of Fame is not bad, but I just feel like the
• 28:56
  Metal Hall of Fame is also kind of too narrow focused, so the
• 29:00
  modern bands are not going to get any DAP from them at all.
• 29:04
  But we'll see. Megadeth is another band of the
• 29:08
  metal, you know, along the metal spectrum.
• 29:11
  Harry had some bullshit to say about Van Halen.
• 29:13
  Yes he did. Hey VW blue Sky, welcome back.
• 29:16
  Thanks so much for being here. Figured Sticks would have made
• 29:19
  it in by now. Me too.
• 29:21
  And Kansas we talked about earlier, really is a fucking
• 29:25
  terrible oversight, especially like Floyd Genesis are all in
• 29:30
  and somehow like, you know, Rush is in, ELP is not in and Kansas
• 29:36
  and sticks are not in. Fucking weird.
• 29:37
  But you know Megadeth, you know, man, I'm I'm bummed about the
• 29:42
  end of Megadeth. I'm bummed about the end of Meg.
• 29:46
  Yes, very narrow black clad demon.
• 29:48
  And I'm talking about the Metal Hall of Fame and no diss to
• 29:50
  them. I appreciate that they're a
• 29:52
  thing and they've put in a bunch of people I love, a bunch of
• 29:54
  bands I love and respect and industry people and a lot of
• 29:57
  things that the Rock Hall will not do.
• 29:59
  But you know Megadeth, I know Dave.
• 30:03
  It would be like a validation of his whole life to get in the
• 30:05
  Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He has Unfuck with a bull band.
• 30:10
  He's got a couple of bad albums like everybody else.
• 30:13
  Night, last Megadeth record, based on what I heard, the first
• 30:15
  song thought it was good. Dirk has come into the band and
• 30:18
  really transformed them into, you know, back to that 80s,
• 30:22
  early 90s Prague thrash talent that they've always kind of had.
• 30:27
  And you know, I just feel like maybe make it at the drawing
• 30:30
  line for a lot of people as the vocals patchy enough.
• 30:33
  But they have hits, they have Grammy wins.
• 30:35
  Dave has done soundtrack stuff. He's well liked at least.
• 30:38
  Like respected, not like, but respected.
• 30:41
  Don't know about Megadeth getting it.
• 30:42
  And along the same lines, as much as it pains me to say, I
• 30:45
  love fucking Anthrax. Anthrax is one of my favorite
• 30:48
  thrash bands ever. I'm from the Bronx, NY, as is,
• 30:50
  you know, two people in Anthrax, Charlie and and Frankie and
• 30:55
  Anthrax, I think could be considered an influence.
• 30:58
  They crossed over punk and hardcore.
• 31:00
  They were doing things nobody else was doing.
• 31:02
  They have the second. They had platinum singles in
• 31:07
  thrash, at least one, and then a second one that was kind of a
• 31:11
  novelty song, right? Like I'm the man I love, but
• 31:14
  it's a novelty song, right? But they in, you know, bring the
• 31:18
  noise. They had a.
• 31:20
  Platinum album. The only second band to have a
• 31:23
  platinum album in thrash after Metallica is Sound of White
• 31:26
  Noise, and it's a shame that current Anthrax doesn't really
• 31:30
  celebrate that stuff. I really would love to get down
• 31:32
  and see John Bush do some of that stuff on tour.
• 31:35
  Make it. Maybe he'll expand that tour
• 31:36
  next year. I love Anthrax and they
• 31:39
  absolutely are a huge influence and maybe even the most
• 31:42
  successful thrash metal band after Metallica in terms of
• 31:46
  record sales and, you know, clout.
• 31:49
  That's legit. But like, I just don't know if
• 31:51
  they can get it. But I would love to see it.
• 31:53
  It would make my whole life when I went to the Big Four at Yankee
• 31:57
  Stadium with my best friend Curtis in 2011.
• 32:00
  Next year's the 15th anniversary of that.
• 32:03
  You know, Anthrax got the key to the city from the Bronx and we
• 32:05
  happened to a handful of artists.
• 32:08
  DW Butte Loose guy says I made in some real good albums.
• 32:11
  Love to see you make it. Yeah, I had Maiden number one at
• 32:13
  the top of this list for metal. Maiden needs to be in.
• 32:16
  Priest is in. Maiden needs again.
• 32:18
  Hey, John, what's up? No worries, brother.
• 32:20
  You know, I've been doing these live streams kind of a little
• 32:22
  impromptu without much promotion.
• 32:24
  But thanks for being here and I owe.
• 32:27
  You a text. Message or something bro or DM
• 32:30
  because you asked me a question when I saw you in the shop last
• 32:34
  So yeah I'd love to see I'm talking about the Rock and Roll
• 32:36
  Hall of Fame style garden gets in who will be next from rock
• 32:39
  metal and punk if any. We know it's usually down to one
• 32:43
  of one every year of the modern last 2530 years of artists.
• 32:47
  So who should get in and I talked about maiden and I talked
• 32:51
  about house in chains and Faith No More and Theo, but if you
• 32:55
  anybody coming in, you know, may you know, we've had some really
• 32:58
  great stuff here about. Styx and Kansas and.
• 33:03
  Maiden all need to be in. But if you've got anybody, John
• 33:05
  Yep, Maiden, Alice In Chains. Bryan Adams is interesting.
• 33:08
  You know, like he does have a ton of fucking hits as a Hard
• 33:11
  Rock artist. I don't know if.
• 33:14
  He's just so. Mainstream that people don't
• 33:16
  think about him and Boston has come up on TikTok.
• 33:19
  Thank you John yes so John says maiden chains and Bryan Adams
• 33:23
  very interesting and I thought Brian Adams was great at the
• 33:26
  rock hall by the way he did a great job.
• 33:28
  He's got a great voice. He's really kind of like come
• 33:30
  into his elder statesman hero era, right?
• 33:34
  I think it's pretty great and Boston is very underrated.
• 33:36
  I don't know if they will ever get breakthrough to get in
• 33:40
  because they really didn't have a life much after the heyday.
• 33:45
  I so of some more modern bands. Billy Idol, you know, I love
• 33:49
  Billy Idol. I feel like Billy Idol is the
• 33:52
  hall of very good. He really, he's got a handful of
• 33:56
  banger hits. He's got quite a few good
• 33:59
  albums. I think he never really had that
• 34:02
  like level of excellence over a long period of time.
• 34:05
  And I think again, The thing is my criteria for the Music Hall
• 34:09
  of Fame's is the same as the criteria for the Sports Hall of
• 34:11
  Fame's. You're a lock.
• 34:12
  You're in, absolutely in or absolutely not in.
• 34:16
  There's not a like, well, let me make a case.
• 34:19
  Fuck Todd Rundgren, you know, I'm sorry.
• 34:22
  Bad Company does not deserve to be in.
• 34:24
  Sheryl Crow is not a Hall of Fame artist.
• 34:26
  She's a pop artist. She's a good writer of songs.
• 34:29
  She should not be in the Hall of Fame.
• 34:30
  Get fucked. Performers tend to make it the
• 34:34
  next year. That is true.
• 34:36
  That is true. And I do know that about Billy
• 34:38
  Idol and he is loved and he is getting up there in years.
• 34:41
  And I did say earlier in the broadcast here that I want to
• 34:44
  see artists get in while they're alive.
• 34:47
  Ozzy getting in while he was alive and they led the In
• 34:49
  Memoriam with the Ozzy recap of his life.
• 34:53
  That meant a lot to me. I know the Grammys get shit on
• 34:57
  from missing people and I didn't see if Ace was included in Kiss,
• 35:03
  but you're in or you're not. So who is this?
• 35:05
  One of the most punchable faces in all of music is M Shadows of
• 35:09
  Avenged Sevenfold. Now, I happen to be a fan, and I
• 35:12
  was a fan of their metal core stuff.
• 35:13
  And you will not see we're not at the 25 years was mentioned.
• 35:18
  Thank you, John. We're not quite at the 25 year
• 35:22
  mark for a lot of metal core bands and I don't know if they
• 35:25
  are mainstream enough to make it, but Avenged Sevenfold, also
• 35:29
  similar to Lincoln Park, similar to Pantera, similar to these
• 35:32
  bands is now headlining arenas worldwide.
• 35:36
  Could Avenged Sevenfold get in? They had a huge run in the MTV
• 35:41
  era. They were one of the first big
• 35:43
  bands on streaming. And they've made some mistakes.
• 35:48
  They took some very weird left turns.
• 35:49
  I love their last album Life is But a Dream.
• 35:51
  Very avant-garde and weird to a lot of people.
• 35:54
  Super talented. The screening stuff most people
• 35:57
  won't love. But their fan base is fucking
• 36:00
  die hard as they come to quote Jamie Josta of Hate Breed.
• 36:05
  So could Avenged Sevenfold get in eventually?
• 36:07
  Probably not now, they're going to come up in a few years.
• 36:11
  As I mentioned, Tool as a band is not quite eligible yet.
• 36:14
  Avenged Sevenfold is not quite eligible yet if Maiden can't get
• 36:17
  in. No way.
• 36:18
  Avenged Sevenfold, I agree. Avenged Sevenfold borrowing
• 36:20
  their whole guitar ethos from Iron Maiden, I agree.
• 36:24
  But I think Maiden will get in. And I said, I don't know, right
• 36:28
  before you joined, John. I think if Maiden gets
• 36:34
  nominated, they will humble up and say thank you and they'll
• 36:37
  get in. They're not going to be like,
• 36:39
  fuck you, I don't want to be in. That's just not.
• 36:41
  It's just not how it's done. I think the only artist that
• 36:43
  ever successfully turned down the Hall of Fame, I think was
• 36:47
  Garth Brooks. And what's her name?
• 36:54
  I can't remember right now. Gary Collingwood says Satan.
• 37:00
  I mean, Satan should be in the Hall of Fame for life for
• 37:02
  everything. Not Satan the band.
• 37:04
  Maybe Satan the band. I don't know.
• 37:06
  No, not Satan the band. All right, Other bands that.
• 37:10
  Have like the merits. To get in, but probably won't
• 37:13
  get in Melvin's. So, you know, it's pretty well
• 37:17
  agreed that like Nirvana copied Melvin's and whole basically
• 37:22
  beat for beat, note for note, song for song in some cases.
• 37:26
  Melvin's are incredible. They have a prolific, incredible
• 37:29
  career. They continue to put out
• 37:30
  multiple ally of three albums out this year.
• 37:33
  They continue to tour all over the world every year.
• 37:36
  Dale Crover had his whole neck and back rebuilt in the last
• 37:39
  year and they just don't stop. They just don't stop.
• 37:43
  Melvin's hugely influential. Would be nice to see them get
• 37:46
  in. I think they don't care at all
• 37:47
  about this. Buzz does not care.
• 37:49
  This is a great photo of Buzz. I'm trying to remember who shot
• 37:54
  this picture. Melvin should be in.
• 38:02
  But they probably won't be in. I think this is Kim Hanson for
• 38:05
  those cold shot this recently is the double Drummers or yeah,
• 38:10
  it's some Someone shot this for us recently.
• 38:13
  Sex Pistols in Dire Straits did not show up for their
• 38:16
  inductions. Well, I'm going to tell you what
• 38:17
  Sex Pistols do not like. If you want to credit the Sex
• 38:20
  Pistols for punk like you credit the Ramones, even though they're
• 38:25
  not quite purely punk. Sure.
• 38:29
  Pistols also were not a good band.
• 38:31
  They have one good album and that's their legacy.
• 38:34
  They should not really be a Hall of Fame band, they should have
• 38:36
  been an influence. I always feel like Dire Straits
• 38:39
  is one of the most overrated bad bands of all time.
• 38:42
  Not a good vocalist, great guitar player, greatest
• 38:46
  soundtracks. They have a couple of good
• 38:49
  albums. Replacements, yes.
• 38:51
  And you know what? I didn't have any photos or
• 38:53
  replacements. Let me talk about them when I
• 38:55
  get to the alternative rock in another minute because I have
• 38:58
  thoughts. So of the last 30 years.
• 39:02
  Now we're going to talk. We talked about some thrash
• 39:03
  bands. We talked about some sludge
• 39:05
  bands. Corn.
• 39:08
  If Faith No More gets in, I can see Corn getting in.
• 39:12
  Technically Corn and I think they have never been nominated
• 39:16
  and it would be really interesting to see and again, if
• 39:17
  Lincoln Park and System of a Down get in, can corn be far
• 39:20
  behind if not in front of one of them or beating them both to the
• 39:25
  punch in terms of being, you know, first out of the gate with
• 39:27
  that genre influence. Corn is also about as popular as
• 39:33
  they have ever been and I think it would be very interesting to
• 39:36
  see them get in. That's my two cents.
• 39:38
  My two cents is free. A lot of people watching On the
• 39:42
  Tick. Of the tock, I appreciate all
• 39:44
  the all. Also Deftones.
• 39:47
  Deftones. Biggest ever new album is one of
• 39:50
  my favorite albums of the year. Could be album of the year
• 39:53
  across the board, nominated for Grammys.
• 39:56
  Private Music's incredible. Chino wrote most of the riffs
• 39:58
  because Steph was dealing with his health issues.
• 40:02
  Deftones, influential, long running, no real bad albums, hit
• 40:07
  songs, Grammy Awards, all the things that tick the boxes for
• 40:11
  the BS Hall of Fame. I could definitely see Deftones
• 40:15
  getting in in the next few years.
• 40:16
  They are way eligible. They found it as a band in 89,
• 40:20
  so this is their 30th year with a recording out.
• 40:23
  This year was the date, you know, anniversary of Adrenaline
• 40:27
  and I can see them getting in the next few years.
• 40:31
  Slipknot arguably one of the biggest bands in the world and
• 40:35
  they have been a lot longer than these other bands.
• 40:37
  I think there's a kind of a thing going on in the concert
• 40:39
  industry where they're trying to test the waters and see if some
• 40:44
  of these mid level successful record sales and streaming bands
• 40:48
  can headline arenas. We know that Slipknot has their
• 40:51
  own festival, their own lifestyle website that's fucking
• 40:53
  bigger than Three Ghost Cults. Honestly, got to be honest,
• 40:58
  they're huge. Their fan base is huge.
• 41:00
  Whenever they drop new merch, people buy them up, they put on
• 41:03
  new bands that get successful. And Knock Loose is a very, you
• 41:06
  know, is part of their success is due to getting cosigned by
• 41:09
  Slipknot and not fests. Slipknot is one of the most
• 41:13
  consistent headline bands in the world, a headline arenas and
• 41:17
  huge festivals all over the world.
• 41:20
  So I feel like. Slipknot as heavy.
• 41:24
  And Extreme and sort of dark as they are, have enough
• 41:28
  commercial, catchy ability to make it into the Hall of Fame.
• 41:32
  Very possible, Especially, again, as some of these other
• 41:34
  bands get in. They're all going to vote for
• 41:36
  Korn and Deftones and Slipknot. Now there's some more extreme
• 41:41
  bands and I didn't really jump them all in here, but this kind
• 41:44
  of goes back into my kind of my back to the beginning recap.
• 41:50
  So Lamb of God, you know, probably not there yet, right?
• 41:54
  They are 2526 years as a band, 27 years as a band.
• 41:59
  Burn the Priest officially had their release, I think in 99 to
• 42:03
  999899. And then New American Gospel is
• 42:07
  25 years old this year. So Lamb of God, hugely popular,
• 42:11
  hugely influential, kind of brought back that Pantera
• 42:14
  groove. With Pantera coming back out and
• 42:17
  probably getting in at some point, I could see Lamb of God
• 42:22
  being a band like Gojira and Lamb of God.
• 42:24
  And I think here's Gojira. Great shot here from Bloodstock.
• 42:29
  Open air this summer by our own Bill Motley in the UK.
• 42:32
  Incredible Kojira, still much bigger in Europe than America,
• 42:36
  but big. And then, you know, Mastodon.
• 42:38
  With Brett Hines passing away this summer and a new, you know,
• 42:42
  probable new Mastodon record next year we know about, I think
• 42:46
  it'd be fun to see Mastodon get in again.
• 42:50
  Prog. Rock bands.
• 42:51
  Do seem to get overlooked and so some of the progs and that's why
• 42:54
  like I don't have Opeth on here as much as Opeth is one of my
• 42:57
  top 10 bands. I just think some of the bands
• 42:59
  that are too far-flung with an all, you know, like an all over
• 43:04
  history are probably not going to get in and.
• 43:07
  OK, so now on. To some more classic artists,
• 43:10
  classic rock and alternative rock and mainstream rock, the
• 43:14
  most glaring omission of the classic rock era of bands,
• 43:18
  pretty heavy metal has to be Thin Lizzy.
• 43:22
  That's to be Thin Lizzy. They are not in the Hall of
• 43:24
  Fame. I know they didn't have as long
• 43:26
  a career, but hella influential. I think it goes.
• 43:30
  You know, if Metallica is the most popular, you know, rock and
• 43:33
  a band that transcended metal into rock ever statistically,
• 43:38
  financially. And one of their biggest hit
• 43:40
  songs is a cover of Whiskey in the Jar.
• 43:45
  And they and they, you know, they have to let people know
• 43:47
  it's not their song. You know Philo, man, he needs.
• 43:52
  To be in, they need to be in the Hall of Fame, especially those
• 43:56
  that like 73 to 83. I know that they had their ups
• 44:01
  and downs. I know they didn't get the
• 44:02
  breakthrough in America and that's why.
• 44:04
  But like, I know they just did the deal with primary wave to
• 44:08
  take over their royalties and try to administer their music
• 44:11
  into more television films. I'm hoping it's not just
• 44:14
  jailbreak Whiskey in the jar and excuse me as I'm still getting
• 44:22
  over my cold. Mostly whiskey in the jar Boys
• 44:24
  are Back in town, Cowboy Song Emeralds, which has been covered
• 44:28
  by Mastodon by the way. Lizzie much bigger in Europe and
• 44:31
  the Hall is extremely US biased. I agree.
• 44:34
  I feel like the Bad Company not like induction this year is
• 44:37
  because it's been so US leaning and realistically, except for
• 44:42
  classic rock and R&B, the US doesn't have a lot of great rock
• 44:46
  bands. We had great rock architects and
• 44:49
  great historical rock artists. But we don't have Beatles deep.
• 44:56
  Purple Led Zeppelin, you know, we know.
• 44:59
  So Lizzie needs to be in. They absolutely need to be in.
• 45:04
  I'll wait for you to tell me. I'm wrong.
• 45:06
  So Genesis is in the Hall of Fame and I could not find
• 45:08
  another photo of Phil to use. I think Phil Collins, I know
• 45:12
  he's more pop and mainstream as a solo artist, but he really
• 45:15
  doesn't get enough credit as a solo artist somehow, even though
• 45:18
  he's one of the biggest selling record artists of all time by
• 45:21
  himself I feel. Like Phil Collins.
• 45:24
  Deserves to be in the Hall of Fame as a solo artist and I'd
• 45:27
  like to see him get it. I know he's in bad health.
• 45:30
  He stopped pouring. I'd love to see him get it in
• 45:33
  his lifetime, just like Ozzy. So I hope there will be like a
• 45:36
  sympathy thing. He shouldn't have to get a
• 45:39
  sympathy thing because he is incredible.
• 45:41
  Phil Collins, his whole career beside Genesis, aside from
• 45:45
  Genesis running the gamut of everything, you know, really
• 45:52
  needs to really needs to get rewarded.
• 45:55
  I think. I think it would be sweet.
• 45:57
  It'd be great. We'd love to see some All Star
• 46:00
  artist take a shot at Phil Collins songs.
• 46:02
  He has tons of fucking songs, tons of huge songs.
• 46:05
  And he did a lot of, again, I talked about this earlier before
• 46:08
  you joined John, that there's this kind of thing that I talk
• 46:11
  about always in music that I learned in music school, which
• 46:14
  is there's very few artists that get to be like extremely
• 46:17
  artistically high valued and superstar famous and popular.
• 46:24
  And Phil is one of them. Phil.
• 46:26
  I know Tarzan sucks and I know South Park made fun of him.
• 46:29
  Fuck that. Fuck them and fuck that.
• 46:31
  I know Tarzan sucks, but like, everything else he ever did is
• 46:35
  fucking hard to fuck with. That's all I'm going to say.
• 46:37
  He's great. And I mean hard to fuck with.
• 46:39
  Like yo, I can't fuck with this. I mean like unfuck with.
• 46:43
  Bjork, not an. Artist We talk about enough here
• 46:46
  at Ghost Cult, but you know, it's my show and I'll fucking do
• 46:49
  what I want on my show. Bjork is incredible.
• 46:52
  Figure Cubes are really an unknown band, but Bjork's
• 46:54
  career, Huge record sales. She did 1 tour in the last few
• 46:59
  years and she had lined arenas all over the world.
• 47:03
  She did the chase. Center here in San.
• 47:04
  Francisco for crying out loud. Like she's huge and incredible
• 47:08
  and it taking artistic risks and still catchy and popular.
• 47:14
  I love to see Bjork get it. John says.
• 47:16
  My kids favorite soundtrack growing up was Brother Bear.
• 47:19
  Nice. Listen to that more than any
• 47:21
  Genesis album. And I love, I fucking love
• 47:22
  Genesis, bro. I fucking love Genesis, you
• 47:24
  know, Hugh says. Yep, Phil Collins definitely.
• 47:27
  You were right long time ago. For real.
• 47:31
  Stone Tumble Pilots. Now we're going to get.
• 47:33
  Into some post grunge. OK so Soundgarden's in is in
• 47:37
  Nirvana's in Allison chains got to be next Stone tumble pilots.
• 47:41
  Also where the fuck you at? Why are you not out?
• 47:43
  They are well overdue 33 years, 3435 years as a band basically
• 47:50
  and out since 92 when Core came out.
• 47:54
  And you know, I know it's tough for them.
• 47:57
  And they also similar to Chains didn't get the long, the long
• 48:00
  runway that Pearl Jam and and Soundgarden and and Chains did.
• 48:05
  And maybe not Soundgarden and certainly not Nirvana obviously,
• 48:11
  but just like, odd to me that Stone Tumble Pilots has not even
• 48:16
  been nominated. What the fuck?
• 48:18
  Just not even nominated. And they also had Chester
• 48:21
  Bennington as a lead singer at 1.2 which is wild.
• 48:26
  STP has to be in and probably soon snapping.
• 48:30
  Pumpkins, now I'm. Not the biggest Pumpkins fan but
• 48:33
  I will say as I get older and I get softer in my old age, I feel
• 48:38
  like Pumpkins are getting a lot of love.
• 48:40
  They had a huge tour this year. The addition of Kiki Wongo to
• 48:44
  the band is amazing. It's a lead guitarist.
• 48:46
  I know James is kind of off the road raising his family and not
• 48:50
  really doing a perfect circle either.
• 48:51
  Honestly. This year's the 30th anniversary
• 48:55
  of Melancholy. Those first 3 or 4 Pumpkins
• 48:58
  records are coming up soon. John, I'm doing punk last.
• 49:03
  The first 3 or 4 Pumpkins records are fucking great.
• 49:06
  And then, you know, mixed bag. My girlfriend Melissa is not
• 49:11
  here. She loves to say that.
• 49:12
  Billy, you are not. You were got for like 5 minutes.
• 49:14
  You would not speak for the Goths.
• 49:16
  You are not representative of all goth people.
• 49:22
  So anyway, Pumpkins probably going to get in in the next.
• 49:26
  I could see Pumpkins leapfrogging Alice In Chains and
• 49:29
  STP to get in. I don't agree with that, but I
• 49:31
  can see it. They are popular, they're
• 49:35
  popular, they're loved. I think Billy has never been a
• 49:37
  very good singer. I think he's a great songwriter.
• 49:42
  I've been in rather enjoying his interview series.
• 49:46
  It's not like I was going to get to interview those people
• 49:47
  anyway, so I'm not jealous. Oh yeah, Melissa's here.
• 49:50
  Awesome. Your time is coming, my dear.
• 49:51
  Because there's some bands you recommend that are coming up.
• 49:54
  Whoever I could find photos for. I love my girlfriend, she's
• 49:58
  brilliant. Pumpkins probably going to get
• 50:00
  in. Billy, you are knocked off.
• 50:03
  But you will. Probably get in the Hall of
• 50:04
  Fame. And he will be, you know, he'll
• 50:07
  brag about it whole. I know this is controversial.
• 50:12
  Whole not only should have been in a long time ago, they should
• 50:16
  be in before every one of these bands that I've mentioned except
• 50:19
  Dio, Maiden, Alice In Chains and Faith No More.
• 50:22
  They need to be in literally copy and paste.
• 50:26
  Nirvana is whole you I'll, I'll do the analysis on this sooner
• 50:31
  or later and I will have my day. I will die on this hill.
• 50:35
  You may not like her as a person.
• 50:36
  Courtney Love is a genius songwriter and everything
• 50:40
  Nirvana learned they stole from Melvin's and Hull Courtney.
• 50:44
  Fucking rules. And I will not hear any slander
• 50:47
  of her on my channel. No, if you didn't like her.
• 50:52
  Personally, I can understand that she did not kill Kurt
• 50:54
  Cobain by the way Kurt killed. Himself, just like Epstein, all
• 50:58
  right, No, Epstein didn't kill himself anyway.
• 51:01
  Release the Epstein files Oasis. So I fucking don't like these
• 51:04
  guys, but you can't fucking deny the first few Oasis records are
• 51:09
  brilliant. This tour this year proves that
• 51:14
  even in two mostly unlikable, completely unlikable, feckless
• 51:19
  fucking ass wipes who are huge rock star buttholes can sell out
• 51:25
  a huge fucking thing. Well, you know what, John?
• 51:28
  I respect that. Hole is very good, but not a
• 51:30
  Hall of Fame. Well, I would say this.
• 51:31
  I would put a hole in before Sheryl Crow.
• 51:34
  I would have put a hole in before Todd Rundgren and I would
• 51:36
  have put a hole in before Bad Company.
• 51:38
  But I understand that. Oasis, definitely maybe I see
• 51:41
  what you did there, dude. I love you so much for that.
• 51:44
  Definitely maybe They're going to get in.
• 51:47
  They're going to get in. I thought they were snubbed this
• 51:49
  year, to be honest with you. I would have put them in instead
• 51:51
  of Bad Company. Oasis deserves it.
• 51:53
  Yeah, but they're fucking such pieces of shit.
• 51:56
  I just fuck, fuck me. They're so especially.
• 52:00
  The younger brother, older brother apparently not good
• 52:02
  either. I like him though I prefer him.
• 52:04
  I wish he sang all the songs. I like when he just sang all the
• 52:06
  songs. The best unplugged for like
• 52:08
  Oasis is unplugged is the most petty shit ever.
• 52:12
  Where the younger brother sat I got a sore throat.
• 52:14
  I Can't Sing tonight. And then he sat hackling the
• 52:16
  band the whole night with his wife, Wife at the time, Patsy
• 52:20
  Kensit. Anyhow, Cranberries.
• 52:28
  So here's another 90s alternative rock.
• 52:31
  Incredible loss, incredible talent.
• 52:34
  Dolores or Riordan, just rest in power.
• 52:37
  Please take care of your mental health and check yourselves.
• 52:41
  And please don't do drugs. And I'm deeply saddened that
• 52:45
  she's not around anymore. Cranberries are criminally
• 52:49
  underrated. They have so many, first of all
• 52:51
  commercially huge but also deep albums with great discographies.
• 52:58
  John says. Crazy that they sell out
• 53:00
  stadiums but no toward solo. He had like 5.
• 53:02
  Yeah, well, they built the hype on that tour.
• 53:04
  Then they were like, this is all we're going to do.
• 53:06
  Oh wait, we're going to announce 25 more shows.
• 53:08
  It's kind of shitty. I know that Rush fans are really
• 53:10
  mad about the Rush situation, and it's very similar.
• 53:14
  Cranberries. I think it's much more than
• 53:16
  Zombie and Linger. They should be in.
• 53:18
  They're much more than a headspan.
• 53:19
  Their unplug just came out. That is right.
• 53:21
  I should try to get that. Queens and Stone Age kind of
• 53:28
  critics, darlings. Thank you, Melissa.
• 53:31
  Kind of. Yeah.
• 53:32
  I bet Rush got you, man. I understand.
• 53:34
  I'm going to wait and see on Rush.
• 53:35
  We'll see where I'm at in May if I really want to go to LA and do
• 53:38
  that. But Queens and Stone Age, I feel
• 53:40
  like a lot of those Stoner rock bands are just not popular
• 53:43
  enough to get noticed. And Josh has, even though he's
• 53:46
  also not a great person, apparently.
• 53:48
  I know he's been through a lot with the cancer, but like I feel
• 53:52
  like Josh has enough of that cool cachet with the voting
• 53:57
  types that would put Queens of the Stone Age in.
• 54:00
  I think also Melissa and I were talking about this offline that
• 54:05
  you know, I was would like screaming trees and Mark Lanigan
• 54:08
  to have gotten mentioned by the Soundgarden guys because they
• 54:11
  are friends with them. Josh is.
• 54:15
  A genius. I agree.
• 54:16
  Just not a great husband or father apparently.
• 54:18
  I don't know. But I feel like if Queens gets
• 54:22
  in, that's like Mark getting in and that's how Mark can get in
• 54:25
  the Hall of Fame. So selfishly, I wouldn't be mad
• 54:28
  if Queens gets in. I think they're just on the
• 54:31
  borderline of they have the greatness, they have the
• 54:34
  records, they have the longevity.
• 54:36
  They could have been in already by this time.
• 54:38
  Late 90s right is the first Queens record.
• 54:44
  Hold on one second. Let's see.
• 54:55
  Yeah, Mark, man, Mark brought us together.
• 54:58
  Pixies. Here's another band from the,
• 55:00
  you know, 80s alternative rock. 90s definitely could have been
• 55:04
  eligible years ago, right? Like 10-15 years ago they were
• 55:07
  eligible. This is the most latest lineup
• 55:09
  of Pixies. But clearly I think Pixies is a
• 55:12
  band that kind of put the blueprint down for alternative
• 55:14
  rock, along with R.E.M., who I don't think are in and maybe
• 55:17
  they don't want to be in. I don't remember if they're in
• 55:19
  or not, but Pixies absolutely should be in first.
• 55:23
  Four to five Pixies records are just fucking classics and I
• 55:27
  always feel like Breeders and Kim and Kelly Deal and Frank
• 55:31
  Black and Black Francis and all these things are a little bit
• 55:34
  less than Pixies, even though I love some of those projects.
• 55:37
  And I'm very happy for Breeders and I was very happy to see
• 55:40
  Breeders again for the second time at Riot Fest in 2023.
• 55:43
  Don't know if you have no list and excess needs to be
• 55:45
  considered. Absolutely.
• 55:46
  I don't have them on the list, but I would like to see them.
• 55:49
  I know that they did some touring a couple of years ago
• 55:52
  with Terence Trent Darby as their singer and then they would
• 55:55
  do kind of like a mid set Terence Trent Darby solo stuff
• 56:00
  with in excess and an in excess and he was doing the big in
• 56:03
  excess hits. I wouldn't mind seeing that.
• 56:05
  Like I don't know why that didn't work out more to do like
• 56:08
  AUS tour. But again, they were never, you
• 56:10
  know, as huge as they were. They kind of had their moment
• 56:12
  and they faded. I believe Hutchins should be in.
• 56:16
  Melissa says Pixie should be in. R.E.M. is in first year
• 56:19
  eligible. Nice.
• 56:20
  Thank you for reminding me. In excess don't get enough to.
• 56:24
  Yeah, I love them. L7 this is.
• 56:28
  Maybe a controversial pick and we're starting to get into now.
• 56:31
  Maybe you know a little, you know, not enough female artist,
• 56:34
  not enough punk female artist representation.
• 56:37
  L7 killer band, great discography, had a second act.
• 56:42
  Better now than they ever were because they were fucked up on
• 56:45
  drugs and alcohol back in the day.
• 56:47
  Absolutely love this fucking band.
• 56:49
  I paid to go see them when I could have got in free because I
• 56:51
  wanted to buy a ticket to support them.
• 56:54
  I love them endlessly. And yeah, I really, I love L7.
• 57:01
  They need to be. And I know Omar Cordy took this
• 57:03
  photo at the Pomona No Values festival.
• 57:06
  Yeah, I have Bikini Kill also coming up soon, Melissa, in the
• 57:10
  punk section. And we'll talk about them at
• 57:12
  length. But yeah, L7 very underrated.
• 57:14
  Kind of needs to be. And I know people talk about,
• 57:18
  you know, there are other seven-year Bitch and the gets
• 57:20
  and some other right girl type bands, but I think only whole L7
• 57:24
  and Bikini Kill are the like the exceptional, exceptional Hall of
• 57:29
  Fame level bands. That's just me.
• 57:31
  There are many great bands. Babes in Toyland is also pretty
• 57:34
  great living. Color, you know, how can living
• 57:36
  Color continue to be so underrated?
• 57:38
  They were so fire out of the gate in their career.
• 57:42
  They are as good now as they have ever been, I'm sure people.
• 57:45
  So their Tiny Desk concert is one of the most watched Tiny
• 57:47
  Desk concerts of the year from NPR.
• 57:50
  So I really would love, I love Living color.
• 57:52
  I have loved them not only one of my first favorite bands with
• 57:55
  two of my childhood best friends, my late friend Damien
• 57:59
  Danville, and I love them as well as Curtis Dunlan from ghost
• 58:02
  Cult Living color, man. I mean, you know, loved by the
• 58:06
  critics, just maybe not like mainstream super huge, but like
• 58:11
  what's the wrestling theme that has cult of personality, right?
• 58:14
  Like there's a wrestler that uses cult of personality now.
• 58:16
  And I think what living color had to do was re recorded to get
• 58:20
  all the modern royalties in line.
• 58:23
  So they're just making every time that shit is used in a
• 58:26
  highlight reel in a social media on streaming, they are.
• 58:31
  That version is what's actually kicking money into their
• 58:34
  pockets. Living color is great.
• 58:36
  Court CM Punk. Thank you John.
• 58:37
  I'm really not the wrestling guy I was growing up.
• 58:41
  Agreed. Living color totally needs to be
• 58:43
  in, but maybe not breakthrough big enough.
• 58:47
  Kind of like Queens. All the other boxes are ticked
• 58:49
  except mainstream love, but I think Living Color is
• 58:53
  phenomenal. Sublime controversial.
• 58:57
  You know some people consider Sublime a very mid band band for
• 59:01
  average white guys that love weed and jerking off and playing
• 59:06
  Xbox. But I will tell you that Sublime
• 59:08
  has tons of bangers. Also didn't get the runway.
• 59:12
  Sublime With Rome is like it ever happened now with the kid
• 59:16
  in the band. I've seen him twice now with the
• 59:19
  junior Jacob Noel, and he is incredible.
• 59:23
  Look at him, he looks just like his dad.
• 59:25
  He plays fucking guitar. He actually does stuff that his
• 59:27
  dad could not and did not do, which is like he's a very active
• 59:31
  frontman running around. Sublime is headlining festivals,
• 59:36
  big pop and rock festivals, and I'd love to see them get in.
• 59:40
  They certainly have all the other, you know, Again, the
• 59:43
  boxes tick for them, at least in my book.
• 59:46
  And I saw them and I thought like, wow, this is like the
• 59:49
  sublime. I remember Zoe just found a
• 59:55
  shirt she hasn't seen in a while.
• 59:56
  What shirt is that? So who do tell?
• 59:58
  We're talking about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and future
• 1:00:01
  bands to get in. Mostly.
• 1:00:03
  We passed all the metal. We did the alternative rock and
• 1:00:05
  sort of post grunge. And now we're getting in the
• 1:00:07
  weeds a little bit on a few more bands.
• 1:00:10
  So Creed, this is going to be ultra controversial Creed.
• 1:00:15
  Is having a humongous moment the last couple of years since they
• 1:00:19
  reunited. I know they're cautious about
• 1:00:21
  making new music. But Creed could be.
• 1:00:25
  In the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I know just like
• 1:00:27
  Nickelback, it would grind people's fucking gears.
• 1:00:30
  They just want to hate on this band for the Christianity or
• 1:00:33
  whatever. Creed's first three albums are
• 1:00:35
  full of bangers. They are doing so well
• 1:00:40
  commercially now more than they ever did.
• 1:00:42
  I could absolutely see Creed getting it.
• 1:00:45
  I'm not a huge Creed fan but I will say that I am a huge fan of
• 1:00:47
  Marc Tramonti and I like Scott is a solo artist.
• 1:00:50
  So I think Creed could very well likely get in in the next few
• 1:00:55
  years. This is their 25th anniversary.
• 1:00:56
  They are eligible. I believe this year they were
• 1:00:58
  eligible. Weezer, if we're talking about.
• 1:01:02
  Green. Here's the other side of the
• 1:01:03
  coin. Weezer is either the one of the
• 1:01:05
  best bands ever or one of the worst bands ever, depending on
• 1:01:07
  who you ask. Also similar to Sublime, I think
• 1:01:13
  Weezer's got like a very uneven catalog, but their eyes are
• 1:01:17
  super fucking high. And all those like Pantone color
• 1:01:20
  albums, the blue, the red, the green.
• 1:01:22
  This is the teal press photo from their covers.
• 1:01:26
  They did like a season cycle thing in the last couple of
• 1:01:29
  years that I thought was super interesting, at least for a
• 1:01:31
  veteran band. They they close every show would
• 1:01:33
  run to the hills by Iron Maiden already talked about how Maiden
• 1:01:36
  should be in. I don't know.
• 1:01:38
  Weezer is a Hall of Fame level band, but like if you just take
• 1:01:42
  the best that you might get in. They have some clunkers and I
• 1:01:46
  like Pinkerton, which is the record that everybody's divided
• 1:01:49
  on in their early career. But like, there's a lot.
• 1:01:52
  Of and. Rivers Cuomo's lyrics are
• 1:01:54
  fucking dreadful, but so are the Chili Peppers, and they're in
• 1:01:57
  the Hall of Fame. So like, dreadful fucking
• 1:01:58
  lyrics. So is kisses.
• 1:02:00
  And I love kiss. This is pretty fucking
• 1:02:05
  interesting. So here we go.
• 1:02:06
  Now we're going to talk about Melissa.
• 1:02:07
  It's your time to shine. Here's new order shot by my
• 1:02:11
  partner Omar. Riot Fest a while back, so new.
• 1:02:15
  Order in Joy Division was on. The docket this year as a
• 1:02:17
  potential and they didn't get in.
• 1:02:19
  They absolutely should get in. I can see them getting in as a
• 1:02:24
  influence and. I feel like they should.
• 1:02:27
  Be in Because they've influenced so many bands across so many
• 1:02:30
  genres, so many people cite Joy Division and New Order as a
• 1:02:34
  band. They absolutely kind of need to
• 1:02:37
  get it. Will they get in is a question.
• 1:02:40
  Because I think the thing that people look at is record sales.
• 1:02:43
  Joy Division certainly didn't have a long enough career to
• 1:02:45
  have those record sales. But if you want to just consider
• 1:02:48
  New Order, the second version of Joy Division, which is it, which
• 1:02:52
  it is in a way, I think they belong in.
• 1:02:56
  I think they belong in on their merit.
• 1:02:59
  I think they belong in. But you know, it's hard to know.
• 1:03:02
  Other bands. So now we're talking.
• 1:03:04
  About kind of danceable avant-garde, post punk, new wave
• 1:03:10
  and industrial music metal bands, right?
• 1:03:13
  So here we go. This is an interesting little
• 1:03:15
  subset. Killing Joke.
• 1:03:17
  This is a photo I shot. I'm very proud of this photo.
• 1:03:19
  I shot this at Irving Plaza in 2018.
• 1:03:23
  I want Killing Joke to get in the Hall of Fame just so Jazz
• 1:03:26
  Coleman can just go fucking ham on the acceptance speech and
• 1:03:30
  just go stream of consciousness batshit insane Flat Earth
• 1:03:34
  bilderbergs, fucking lizard people.
• 1:03:37
  Like, you know, aliens. He's going to just go fucking
• 1:03:40
  nuts in front of a microphone. Joy Division, Killing Joke, just
• 1:03:45
  like Joy Division, super influential, ahead of their
• 1:03:48
  time. Come as you are absolutely
• 1:03:51
  ripped off 80s. But OK, fine, fine, fine, fine.
• 1:03:53
  A lot of vans have ripped off a lot of things.
• 1:03:58
  I really feel like killing Joe. Needs to be in and especially
• 1:04:01
  because Jordy Walker died recently and I think the band
• 1:04:04
  has a final album ready to go and I think that just maybe it's
• 1:04:08
  going to come out and maybe it's not their scientists find farm
• 1:04:10
  records for one more album at least.
• 1:04:12
  I would love this farewell or final album to come out.
• 1:04:15
  I don't see the band coming back without Jordy but.
• 1:04:22
  Tough, but I love this photo. And there's actually my correct
• 1:04:25
  photo. Mark the echoes in the well,
• 1:04:27
  photography that looks like the Black Sabbath Masters reality
• 1:04:31
  thumbnail. There, I love that thing.
• 1:04:33
  Guitar pick looking thing. I did a good job on this.
• 1:04:35
  This is I'm proud of this ministry.
• 1:04:39
  Ministry is calling it a career. In the next couple of years,
• 1:04:42
  they're winding down their career with one final studio
• 1:04:45
  album on Cleopatra Records. Barker and Jorgensen ride again.
• 1:04:51
  I think Ministry over the long like the first early influential
• 1:04:56
  again, Killing Joke, Joy Division.
• 1:04:59
  Ministry would be the third band.
• 1:05:00
  The Cures in there, they're already in and Cure crosses so
• 1:05:04
  many things. Post punk and alternative and
• 1:05:06
  goth and ministry absolutely I think needs to be in and I would
• 1:05:11
  love to see it. And I think Al would also be
• 1:05:14
  like, I wouldn't want to put a microphone in front of them
• 1:05:16
  depending on the day, in front of all those people in tuxedos
• 1:05:19
  and bullshit. But like it'd be kind of great
• 1:05:21
  to have him do it and it'd be great for him to get in.
• 1:05:24
  It'd be a real fuck you to the establishment, even though that
• 1:05:27
  is the establishment, but it'd still be like a fuck you.
• 1:05:31
  Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. Now, 9 Inch Nails just got in a
• 1:05:34
  couple years ago and I can absolutely see the way it's
• 1:05:38
  going with their composing career and especially this Tron
• 1:05:41
  Erie soundtrack. I can see Trent and Atticus just
• 1:05:44
  getting in the Hall of Fame as composers.
• 1:05:48
  I think in the future you will see composers Hans Zimmer and
• 1:05:51
  people like John Williams be invited into the Rock and Roll
• 1:05:55
  Hall of Fame. Because if you're going to put
• 1:05:57
  in rap and country and Blues and jazz, you're going to put in
• 1:06:00
  anybody. And this music is actually
• 1:06:02
  really more the mainstream music than anything else 9 Inch Nails
• 1:06:06
  has done. If you just look at the success
• 1:06:08
  of the movies, they've worked on billions of dollars worth of
• 1:06:11
  movie soundtracks. I'd love to see. 9 inch nails
• 1:06:15
  or. Trenton Atticus do a Star Wars
• 1:06:16
  movie soundtrack. How cool would that be?
• 1:06:20
  Tales, of course, on. Just a thought.
• 1:06:25
  I'm just putting it out there, everybody.
• 1:06:28
  I think it's possible someday now to talk about some punk.
• 1:06:32
  And I think this is hella interesting also because I
• 1:06:35
  think. You know, I think this is the
• 1:06:40
  one. Area that you know, maybe
• 1:06:42
  doesn't get completely well talked about.
• 1:06:45
  Oh well so here so here's sort of like the crossover of punk
• 1:06:48
  and also dance music is Devo. Devo has been eligible forever.
• 1:06:53
  They are criminally underrated. They're, they're, I know right
• 1:06:56
  now they're on tour with the B50 twos and they're doing like
• 1:06:59
  amphitheaters and 10 to 15,000 seaters and people are saying
• 1:07:03
  that maybe you know. Maybe that B50?
• 1:07:07
  Twos have lost a step in terms of their energy, and they're
• 1:07:10
  tuning down everything to be able to sing the way they used.
• 1:07:13
  You know, they're around for 50 years.
• 1:07:14
  You let me see where you're singing 50 years into your
• 1:07:17
  career. But Devo is still, I know that
• 1:07:20
  they've been kind of on a farewell tour for about 5 or 6
• 1:07:22
  years or seven years. Maybe it's an Akron versus
• 1:07:25
  Cleveland thing. I don't fucking know, but Devo
• 1:07:28
  should be in the Hall of Fame. I mean, Talking Heads are in,
• 1:07:31
  Blondie is in, Ramones are in Devo punk, post punk,
• 1:07:35
  alternative, new wave everything, right?
• 1:07:38
  Danny Elfman and Oingo Boingo for composer and rock band.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, I I, you know, maybe I I think Danny's got also, we got a
• 1:07:48
  sketchy artist coming up in one more second.
• 1:07:50
  Danny's a little sketch, but he is genius, right?
• 1:07:53
  He's a fucking genius. Speaking of sketchy, Speaking of
• 1:07:57
  sketchy, your next artist here on this list and we're coming
• 1:08:01
  toward the end Rammstein. So maybe too perverted, too
• 1:08:06
  sketchy, too much controversy. But like in 10 more years when
• 1:08:11
  Rammstein has been around for 40 years and they're all retired by
• 1:08:14
  then, I'm sure they'll be done in the next few years.
• 1:08:17
  They have innovative, carried forth the their influences in a
• 1:08:23
  new way, made countless great albums.
• 1:08:26
  They don't have a bad fucking record.
• 1:08:28
  Their live shows are unfucking believable and I think Rammstein
• 1:08:32
  probably of like if 9 Inch Nails is in and Ministry could get in,
• 1:08:36
  I don't know that there's a lot of other bands in that genre
• 1:08:39
  that should be in strictly. You know what?
• 1:08:43
  We were talking offline. Melissa, about KMFDMI, love them
• 1:08:47
  and I'm you know, and the same with yeah, I just think they're
• 1:08:50
  all a little too small. Lords of acid, KMFDMD, Crips
• 1:08:53
  just a little too small comparatively to Rammstein and 9
• 1:08:58
  inch channels in ministry. But you're not wrong.
• 1:09:00
  Devo doc may have helped them nominate in 18/21/22 but nothing
• 1:09:04
  in three years. So fucked up Devo get get them
• 1:09:07
  in now for some punks, here's misfits.
• 1:09:10
  John, you said misfits. A bunch of people in TikTok said
• 1:09:13
  Misfits. I don't have a you know, like I
• 1:09:17
  have photos of Danzig and I have to use gingerly because he puts
• 1:09:20
  a copyright claim on everything. Even I just said it out loud.
• 1:09:23
  Probably getting fucked down but Misfits especially right now, I
• 1:09:27
  still feel like Danzig hates touring so much that he probably
• 1:09:31
  has not taken huge paydays to go to Europe by now.
• 1:09:35
  Anybody else that's not Danzig would have already been like did
• 1:09:38
  A50 date arena tour of Europe and just cashed in and cashed
• 1:09:43
  out and fucked off. But he hates touring so much
• 1:09:46
  that he can only bear to do this sporadically.
• 1:09:49
  I saw Danzig. Danzig as a solo artist would be
• 1:09:52
  inherently interesting. I think he's just not big
• 1:09:54
  enough. Maybe as an influence.
• 1:09:56
  But I'd love to see Misfits get in.
• 1:09:59
  It would be really fitting for them to get in.
• 1:10:01
  They really are kind of the band the Hall of Fame should put in
• 1:10:04
  honestly. Came from nowhere, made their
• 1:10:06
  own thing, did it better than anybody else, even with a
• 1:10:09
  million clowns. So yeah, cheers to.
• 1:10:14
  Danzig and the guys, I hope. I hope Misfits would get in
• 1:10:17
  someday. And Danzig, thank you.
• 1:10:22
  Thank you very much. Bikini Kill.
• 1:10:26
  Here you go, Melissa. Bikini Kill absolutely needs to
• 1:10:30
  be in. If you want your heart broken,
• 1:10:32
  watch the Bikini Kill Kathleen Hannah documentary.
• 1:10:37
  If you want to hurt your heart and your brain, read her book
• 1:10:40
  Rebel Girl Bikini Kill. I still feel like Hole is a
• 1:10:44
  better band. I will always feel like Hole is
• 1:10:47
  a better band. But Bikini Kill is iconic and
• 1:10:51
  necessary and they should have been in a long time ago.
• 1:10:55
  Technically they were eligible 10 years ago, So what the fuck
• 1:10:59
  of 10 years ago? No, 10 years ago.
• 1:11:02
  This is like their 35th or 36th years band even though they were
• 1:11:05
  broken up for a long time so I don't know.
• 1:11:08
  Should have been out already. Should have been in already.
• 1:11:11
  And also L7 and probably Bikini Kill would get in before L7 just
• 1:11:16
  because they're more popular. Bad Religion.
• 1:11:19
  Now we're really. Into the punks.
• 1:11:21
  This is a great This is one of my favorite photos or my
• 1:11:23
  favorite show reviews of the year was by airline partner
• 1:11:25
  Omar. This is where Bad Religion and
• 1:11:29
  Dropkick Murphy's played on a rooftop overlooking New York
• 1:11:33
  City skyline in in lower Manhattan with the Brooklyn
• 1:11:36
  Bridge and the skyline behind them.
• 1:11:39
  Insane. I love Bad Religion.
• 1:11:42
  I got to see them three years ago in a tiny club with 125
• 1:11:45
  people. I still have the set list.
• 1:11:47
  Incredible. I had a great night.
• 1:11:49
  I bullshitted. My way in and I got in for.
• 1:11:51
  Free. It was wild.
• 1:11:54
  Great band, tremendous discography, hugely
• 1:11:56
  inspirational, hugely influential.
• 1:11:59
  Epitaph Records is because of Bad Religion, all the things.
• 1:12:02
  Even though Brett Gurwitz is not with the band anymore, you know
• 1:12:06
  should be in by all rights. Suicidal tendencies a little
• 1:12:12
  bit. Of punk, a little bit of metal,
• 1:12:13
  right? Like a lot of people consider
• 1:12:15
  Suicidal A thrash band, but they really were a hardcore punk band
• 1:12:19
  for the first half of their career.
• 1:12:21
  They will have a new record next year.
• 1:12:23
  I do have several Bad Religions on vinyl, by the way.
• 1:12:26
  Suffer in particular is my favorite, but Suicidal one of my
• 1:12:30
  favorites. I'm, I'm hugely biased, hugely
• 1:12:34
  inspirational, hugely influential.
• 1:12:37
  I know there's this element about them that were, you know,
• 1:12:39
  banned from LA gangs this that the other thing, but like.
• 1:12:45
  Ramones are in Sex Pistols. Are in if and religion gets in.
• 1:12:49
  Maybe suicidal should be in between all the different
• 1:12:52
  things. Also.
• 1:12:56
  No effects. Also controversial.
• 1:12:59
  No effects. Much better than a lot of bands
• 1:13:01
  that came after them that copied them, including some other bands
• 1:13:04
  coming up on this list. I know that Mike is very
• 1:13:07
  controversial and would be also another guy.
• 1:13:10
  Would love to just give him a microphone and have him come up
• 1:13:13
  to the mic and be like penises, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:18
  Vaginas, hermaphrodites. He just go nuts with the sex
• 1:13:22
  talk and the horn talk. But like, you know, no effects
• 1:13:26
  is hugely important. They retired last year.
• 1:13:28
  Maybe they will come back at some point.
• 1:13:30
  I know Mike is working on his musicals and other things and
• 1:13:33
  the Punk Rock Museum is rule. Just rules.
• 1:13:35
  Absolutely fucking rules. But yeah, I think no effects,
• 1:13:41
  eventually you should get in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:13:44
  Especially because other bands that came after them that copied
• 1:13:47
  them are already in Green Day. Looking at you, even though I
• 1:13:50
  really like Green Day a lot. And Speaking of bands that
• 1:13:53
  copied No Effects, literally tracing around the fucking
• 1:13:57
  outline of them. Blink 182.
• 1:13:59
  Not my favorite band, but obviously huge to a certain
• 1:14:04
  generation of fans. Hugely important.
• 1:14:06
  I know Melissa hates them. You notice Rancid is not on
• 1:14:09
  here. And I do love Rancid.
• 1:14:12
  You know Social D is not on here.
• 1:14:14
  I know people love Social D and Mike, but Blink is probably
• 1:14:18
  going to get in in the next few years.
• 1:14:19
  It seems like they've also been a little overlooked, but they
• 1:14:23
  are bound to get in. They're huge, hugely popular and
• 1:14:27
  inspired a whole bunch of other really bad bands.
• 1:14:30
  So super interesting. 5th Bone is a band that maybe they don't
• 1:14:36
  have the commercial popularity, but they absolutely have the
• 1:14:38
  chops, the albums and the integrity despite the personal
• 1:14:41
  drama and strife of the band. Fishbone is an essential 90s and
• 1:14:47
  2000s band. They're the last album that's
• 1:14:49
  out now. I'm going to get to them in a
• 1:14:51
  second. Their last album that's out now,
• 1:14:54
  Stockholm Syndrome, that's out. And Omar interviewed Angela
• 1:14:59
  Moore. Really.
• 1:15:01
  Fucking great. Love Fishbone.
• 1:15:03
  I love fishbone, dude, and I know Q loves fishbone.
• 1:15:05
  Oh, I lost one of my lights. All right, so, so Black Flag and
• 1:15:09
  Dead Kennedy's. Dead Kennedy's should be in.
• 1:15:11
  Should have been in a long time ago.
• 1:15:14
  I don't have any really good photos of either Jello or the
• 1:15:17
  Dead Kennedys and whatever version of that band they're
• 1:15:19
  doing right now and Black Flag. I just feel like Greg is just
• 1:15:23
  fucking shitting on his whole fucking legacy with whatever
• 1:15:27
  he's doing now. He's got every right to put the
• 1:15:29
  band out and do whatever he wants, but like, it just doesn't
• 1:15:33
  feel good listening. When I watched some of those
• 1:15:35
  videos and I had to turn it off, I was like, this is a disgrace.
• 1:15:38
  I also think Rollins could theoretically get in as a
• 1:15:41
  musical influence as a solo artist between his sort of pop
• 1:15:45
  culture, like his sheer will and love of music to put music upon
• 1:15:51
  a pedestal, as a public figure because of his Black Flag and
• 1:15:55
  Rollins Band history, I feel like Rollins solo should
• 1:15:58
  definitely be in. You know, Black Flag deserves to
• 1:16:00
  get in. I know people are mixed on them
• 1:16:02
  and how good they are, but yeah, I think Rollins maybe culturally
• 1:16:07
  could deserve to get in. I also don't have any real good
• 1:16:09
  photos of Rollins. I have permission to use and
• 1:16:12
  that's the. That's an hour.
• 1:16:14
  And 16 minutes I. Only, you know, 55 slides of
• 1:16:17
  these things. I didn't really realize how how
• 1:16:19
  much we were going to go do this, but.
• 1:16:23
  Yeah, man. Like I love that.
• 1:16:25
  Soundgarden is in, they deserve to be in.
• 1:16:28
  I'm sad that Chris is gone. Shane's Faith No More Maiden,
• 1:16:33
  Dio Solo, absolutely all need to be in.
• 1:16:35
  STP needs to be in. I feel like Pumpkins will get in
• 1:16:39
  whole should be in. Maybe never going to get in, but
• 1:16:41
  should be in. Bikini Kill should be in.
• 1:16:44
  And some of those bands, Yeah, it's like we're hanging at the
• 1:16:48
  store, bro. This is that's the that's I did
• 1:16:50
  my job. That's what I love to do.
• 1:16:52
  Talk about, you know, blue sky, my love of music.
• 1:16:56
  That's why I do what I do. Thank you so much for being
• 1:16:58
  here, John. You're the best.
• 1:17:00
  We do have a package coming your way from that glacially musical
• 1:17:03
  contest also soon. But yeah, we'll be back,
• 1:17:07
  probably. Not tomorrow, we got a new band
• 1:17:09
  interview running tomorrow morning with Evoken and then I
• 1:17:12
  will be back Thursday afternoon evening with The Weekly Ritual,
• 1:17:15
  your one stop shop for Rocky metal news and concerts and
• 1:17:19
  metal festival news and all the drama and rumors of the week.
• 1:17:24
  Oh yeah, man, I. Can't believe I missed that
• 1:17:27
  show. Fuck me, what a regret.
• 1:17:30
  I have some regrets. Regrets.
• 1:17:32
  I've got a few, but still too few to mention.
• 1:17:36
  Thanks everybody for being here. Everybody on on the tick of the
• 1:17:38
  talk. Everybody everywhere except
• 1:17:40
  Graham. The Graham did not work out too
• 1:17:41
  well today. Except maybe that goes called
• 1:17:44
  Kefi. I'll go check that out in a
• 1:17:46
  little bit. Yeah.
• 1:17:48
  Chris and Andy. Nobody sings like you anymore.
• 1:17:50
  For real, bro. And Lane too.
• 1:17:52
  Lane especially, actually. The Glacier, The Musical.
• 1:17:57
  Podcast is doing our last episode on Alice In Chains
• 1:18:00
  tomorrow for now with the Alice In Chains Unplugged.
• 1:18:03
  So I'm looking forward to that'll be out on Friday.
• 1:18:05
  Thanks everybody for being here and appreciate you all.
• 1:18:09
  I'm Kifi. Have a good night.
• 1:18:10
  Be safe and we'll see you in the next one.
• 1:18:13
  Peace and grease.