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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's global tariff wars and what they mean for Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi and Peter Dutton united against the ten percent
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  Speaker 2: hit on Australia's exports. But a political bunfight begins over
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  Speaker 2: who can fix this mess. I'll catch up with former
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  Speaker 2: trade negotiator Liberal MP Zoey Mackenzie.
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  Speaker 1: I'm coming to you from Melbourne tonight and I've checked in.
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  Speaker 2: On two teal seats that the Liberals are fighting to
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  Speaker 2: win back. Also former Labor Minister Joel Fitzgibbon and former
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Minister Alexander Downer on the campaign and all the
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  Speaker 2: highlights and laylights with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump took aim at the Donald Trump took aim
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  Speaker 2: at the world today, including Australia. This was classic isolationist Trump,
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  Speaker 2: turning his back on countries abroad, friends and foes alike,
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  Speaker 2: in order to trumpet populist protectionist economics for his domestic audience.
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  Speaker 3: My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day waiting for a
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  Speaker 3: long time. April second, twenty twenty five will forever be
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  Speaker 3: remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day
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  Speaker 3: America's destiny was reclaimed, and the day that we began
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  Speaker 3: to make America wealthy again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, American wealth and just an economic headache for trading nations.
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  Speaker 2: In the wake of his announcements, the stock markets have
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  Speaker 2: been hammered, with tens of billions of dollars in value.
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  Speaker 1: Lost around the world.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian dollar has fallen, and speculation of a US
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  Speaker 2: recession has increased. Make no mistake, this is a global
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  Speaker 2: economic shock, but it plays out stride here at the
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  Speaker 2: start of our election campaign. Remember, Australia has a free
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  Speaker 2: trade agreement with the US, a much vaunted free trade
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  Speaker 2: agreement struck under John Howard and George W. Bush twenty
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  Speaker 2: years ago. But it matters little to Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 4: Australia bands and they're wonderful people and wonderful everything, but
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  Speaker 4: they ban American beef. Yet we imported three billion dollars
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  Speaker 4: of Australian beef from them just last year alone. They
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  Speaker 4: won't take any of our beef. They don't want it
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  Speaker 4: because they don't want it to affect their farmers. And
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I don't blame them, but we're doing
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  Speaker 4: the same thing right now, startying about midnight to night.
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  Speaker 2: Now, He's right, we don't put tariffs on US beef,
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  Speaker 2: but we have bands based on mad cow disease.
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  Speaker 1: This is what Trump is doing.
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  Speaker 2: He's looking at any impediments or restrictions on US trade
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  Speaker 2: and using them as a justification for retaliat tree tariffs.
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  Speaker 2: This is such major upheaval, such a wild and unprecedented
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  Speaker 2: shakeup of global trade policy, that our Prime minister initially
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  Speaker 2: seemed uncertain about whether our beef exports might have been
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  Speaker 2: banned and exactly.
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  Speaker 1: What would be subjected to tariff's.
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  Speaker 5: Books.
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  Speaker 6: Our understanding is that there is a I heard President
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  Speaker 6: Trump's comments that were made. Our understanding at this point.
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  Speaker 7: Is that that is a.
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  Speaker 8: Ten percent tariff across the board.
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  Speaker 6: On the first question, yes, we have received confirmation that
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  Speaker 6: what we thought was the case, that it's just a
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  Speaker 6: ten percent tariff. Similarly, the comparers, I just spoke with
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  Speaker 6: the head of the National Farmer's Federation about fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 6: ago as well and confirmed that with him. I've also
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  Speaker 6: spoken to beef producers and confirmed it with them.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody was trying to work at all.
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  Speaker 2: The bottom line is that beef is the pretext here,
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  Speaker 2: but everything exported from Australia to the US will be
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  Speaker 2: hit by a ten percent tariff, and it's important to
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  Speaker 2: remember that beef happens to be our biggest export to
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  Speaker 2: the States, upwards of four billion dollars a year.
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  Speaker 1: This turns the thrust of.
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  Speaker 2: US economic policy and global trade policy on its head,
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  Speaker 2: especially for a trading nation like ours that's whether considerable
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  Speaker 2: economic pain for decades in order to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: tariffs and embrace free trade. The economic debate has produced
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  Speaker 2: a unity ticket for the election contenders.
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  Speaker 6: President Trump referred to reciprocal tariffs.
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  Speaker 8: A reciprocal tariff.
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  Speaker 6: Would be zero, not ten percent. The administration's tariffs have
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  Speaker 6: no basis in logic, and they go against the basis
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  Speaker 6: of our two nations partnership. This is not the act
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  Speaker 6: of a friend.
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  Speaker 9: This is a bad day for our country and it's
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  Speaker 9: not the treatment that Australians deserve because we have a
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  Speaker 9: very trusted, long standing and abiding relationship with the United States.
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  Speaker 9: It spans one hundred years and we have fought alongside
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  Speaker 9: and with the Americans in every major battle over that
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  Speaker 9: period of time. We have a special relationship with the
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  Speaker 9: United States, and it hasn't been treated with respect by
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  Speaker 9: the administration or by the President.
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  Speaker 2: But that's where the agreement between the election contenders ends.
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  Speaker 2: The opposition leader also sheets home some of the blame
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  Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 9: I just don't think the Prime Minister has the strength
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  Speaker 9: or the ability to stand up to a situation that
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  Speaker 9: is unacceptable to us. This is a bad day for
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  Speaker 9: our country and I want to resolve the matter. And
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  Speaker 9: the question for us now is who is best able
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  Speaker 9: to deal with this relationship, Who is best able to
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  Speaker 9: deal with an uncertain time in national security sense as
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  Speaker 9: well as an economic sense, And the times at the
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  Speaker 9: moment don't require a week leader, and mister Alberanzi has
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  Speaker 9: demonstrated that again today.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is a reasonable attack up to a point.
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi is weak. We've seen that time and again, and
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  Speaker 2: the coalition did wrangle an exemption out of Trump last
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  Speaker 2: time he imposed tariffs, and Albanesi, labor and especially the
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  Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd now in the hot seat
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  Speaker 2: as our US ambassador, well, they've all hurled abuse at
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump for many years. The United States in the
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  Speaker 2: last four years has been run by a village idiot.
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  Speaker 1: We have an alliance with the US. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: deal with him.
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  Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical about it.
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  Speaker 1: He's scarce out of me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a little wonder they have trouble even
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  Speaker 2: speaking with Trump now, let alone winning concessions from him.
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  Speaker 9: The Prime Minister hasn't been able to get a call
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  Speaker 9: or a meeting with President Trump, but that needs to
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  Speaker 9: change and he needs to do everything he can to
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  Speaker 9: leverage the ambassador and others to get the relationship normalized.
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  Speaker 9: It's obvious that the Prime Minister didn't know anything about
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  Speaker 9: this announcement until it was actually released to the press,
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  Speaker 9: which also speaks.
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  Speaker 1: To the state of the relationship at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: But this debate will now remain critical from this point
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  Speaker 2: right through till the election day and beyond, because this
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  Speaker 2: is clearly not a blanket returned to protectionism globally. Trump
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  Speaker 2: knows that tariffs will increase costs for all Americans.
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  Speaker 1: He knows that they will be.
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  Speaker 2: A wet blanket on the global economy, jeopardizing the very
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  Speaker 2: economic growth that he staked his reputation on. The US
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  Speaker 2: president wants other countries to get rid of their trade barriers,
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  Speaker 2: cut their tariffs and quotas and restrictions, free up their
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  Speaker 2: trade the way the US has done until now, and
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  Speaker 2: in return he'll.
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  Speaker 1: Get rid of the tariffs that he's just imposed.
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  Speaker 2: This is a hugely risky gamble, make no mistake, especially
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  Speaker 2: during uncertain economic times.
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  Speaker 1: It could all end in disaster.
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  Speaker 2: But if it frees up global trade, it could have
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  Speaker 2: the opposite effect, of course. So what Australia needs to
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  Speaker 2: do is either explain away or remove any trade restrictions
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  Speaker 2: we have, like the ban on US beef, so that
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  Speaker 2: we can leverage a decision out of Washington that will
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  Speaker 2: scrap the tariffs on our goods just as quickly as
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  Speaker 2: they've come in.
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  Speaker 6: The beef issue was about mad cow disease, to give
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  Speaker 6: it as colloquial name. We certainly, in the discussions we've
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  Speaker 6: had with the United States, put a position that was
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  Speaker 6: consistent with ensuring our biosecurity is looked after, then we
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  Speaker 6: would give consideration. But that didn't progress.
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  Speaker 9: I think there is opportunity for us to take what
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  Speaker 9: is a bad decision, and it's a decision I'm dead
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  Speaker 9: against that's been made by the President. I want to
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  Speaker 9: turn that into an opportunity for our country. I want
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  Speaker 9: to make sure that we can export more beef. There
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  Speaker 9: is enormous opportunity. But the Prime Minister hasn't spoken about
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  Speaker 9: any of that to President Trump because he hasn't been
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  Speaker 9: able to get even a phone call with the President,
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  Speaker 9: and I think that's a big part of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are coming to the end of the
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  Speaker 2: first week in this election campaign, and the biggest issue
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  Speaker 2: is Donald Trump. Who would have thunk it? Who can
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  Speaker 2: stand up to Trump, who can deal with him? Who
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  Speaker 2: can look after Australia's interests best To be sure, this
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  Speaker 2: is a difficult challenge for both sides, But let's be frank.
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  Speaker 2: Would Albanezy really have sent his mate Kevin Rudd to
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  Speaker 2: Washington if he knew this is.
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  Speaker 1: Where we would end up?
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  Speaker 2: Do we really want the fate of the nation now
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  Speaker 2: resting in Kevin Rudd's hands? It seems we've flipped back
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  Speaker 2: about four elections. Now let's get back to two of
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  Speaker 2: Australia's or Labour's biggest weaknesses in this campaign, two things
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  Speaker 2: that are doing enormous damage to the country and our
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  Speaker 2: cost of living, and of course Labour's re election hopes.
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  Speaker 2: They are electricity policy and the Climate and Energy Minister
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. We keep asking him for an interview, but
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  Speaker 2: he never fronts. But when he did a press conference
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  Speaker 2: in Queensland today, he was asked some of the questions
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  Speaker 2: that I posed in my Weekend Australian column last week,
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  Speaker 2: and you will simply not believe his level of denial
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  Speaker 2: and delusion. Remember this is the bloke who promised he
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  Speaker 2: would cut your electricity bills by two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 2: five dollars a year, and instead they've gone up by
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred or one thousand dollars or more. And it's
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  Speaker 2: all because of his reckless rush to renewable energy. Yet,
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  Speaker 2: listen to this exchange.
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  Speaker 4: But it transitioning into the renewable energy has driven prices up.
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  Speaker 10: Why would more of the same produce a different apple?
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  Speaker 1: Who said that?
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  Speaker 11: Who said the transition renewable energy drives prices up?
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  Speaker 10: Well, everybody receives a power bill.
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  Speaker 11: Mister Dutton says it's the fault of renewable energy.
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  Speaker 1: He's wrong.
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  Speaker 11: Every expert says the cheapest form of energy is renewable energy,
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  Speaker 11: of course, backed by storage and firming and transmission.
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  Speaker 2: Really he actually denies that shutting down the cheapest forms
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  Speaker 2: of reliable powers, spending hundreds of billions of dollars on
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  Speaker 2: renewables and transmission and storage. He pretends that's not the
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  Speaker 2: reason that costs have increased. As Sky's Harry Clark said
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  Speaker 2: in that interview, we've all seen our power bills. That's
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen in absolute denial, which is too kind. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: this is a bloke blatantly lying. There is only one
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  Speaker 2: reason we now have record electricity prices, and that is
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  Speaker 2: because various governments, accelerated by his own of course, have
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  Speaker 2: decided over recent years to deliberately transition from our cheap
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  Speaker 2: and reliable sources of power to renewables.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other reason that prices have increased. But the
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  Speaker 2: denial and delusion doesn't end there. Bowen was asked about
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  Speaker 2: his green hydrogen plans, you know, the ones where Labour
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  Speaker 2: has offered tens of billions of dollars in subsidies for
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  Speaker 2: green hydrogen. But projects have been going up like hydrogen
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  Speaker 2: bombs right around the country. There's the twelve and a
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  Speaker 2: half billion dollar project at Gladstone in Queensland, the hydrogen
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  Speaker 2: Hub in New South Wales Hunter Valley at a two
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  Speaker 2: point three billion dollar project in Victoria's Latrobe Valley. In
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  Speaker 2: South Australia there was a six hundred million dollar project
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  Speaker 2: at Wuyala and another seven hundred and fifty million dollar
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  Speaker 2: plant at nearby Port Pirie, and some others too, all
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  Speaker 2: fall and over, with a few in Western Australia too,
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  Speaker 2: including a billion dollar plant at Quanana, plus a project
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  Speaker 2: planned for Bell's Bay in Tasmania. Tens of billions of
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  Speaker 2: dollars of projects offered, tens of billions of dollars in
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  Speaker 2: subsidies proposed by major companies like Age or Woodside and Fortesque,
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  Speaker 2: and they've all fallen over yet listened to Bowen today.
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  Speaker 11: So actually, the forecasts for green hydrogen in Australia are
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  Speaker 11: by and large in keeping it on track with the
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  Speaker 11: forecasts that we're in the National Hydrogen Strategy that I
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  Speaker 11: and all the state ministers released a while ago. Over
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  Speaker 11: the last two months, no one said that building a
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  Speaker 11: green hydrogen industry in Australia would be smooth or easy.
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  Speaker 1: No one said it would be smooth or easy. Has
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  Speaker 1: this blog ever listened to himself under an urban, easy
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  Speaker 1: labor government?
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  Speaker 11: These jobs will be secure because we'll be leading the
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  Speaker 11: global green hydrogen revolution. Labor has the plan to ensure
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  Speaker 11: that Australia is part of and he's leading that hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 2: It's just hilarious. He's talked up a big game on hydrogen.
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  Speaker 1: Hasn't he a revolution?
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  Speaker 2: No less, and nothing is happening except wasted government funds
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  Speaker 2: and broken labor dreams. Even the green left Bible The
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  Speaker 2: Guardian is talking about hydrogen, how hydrogen is flaming out,
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  Speaker 2: and wondering why the government is still pretending otherwise.
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  Speaker 1: But Bowen today seem to have a solution.
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  Speaker 11: I've already announced the first winner of the hydrogen Headstart
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  Speaker 11: program just a couple of weeks ago in Geralton in
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  Speaker 11: Western Australia. Big project, an important project, which is globally significant.
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  Speaker 11: So green hydrogen we've never said, will play a very
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  Speaker 11: important role in the broader electricity mixed in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he's got another announcement, another big project, the global project.
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  Speaker 2: That'll do it. Another announcement. Bowen and Labor have never
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  Speaker 2: been short of announcements. It's just the follow through that
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  Speaker 2: gets them. It's just reality that catches up with them.
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  Speaker 2: And US with our higher power bills and more green
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  Speaker 2: hydrogen bull dust. Well, to paraphrase Bowen from a previous election,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't like Labour's promises on energy or its performance,
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  Speaker 2: don't vote for them. Let's catch up with Zoe Mackenzie,
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  Speaker 2: Liberal MP, joins US Alive from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: She's the MP for the seat of Flinder's good to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you, Zoe.
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  Speaker 2: You've got an extensive background in trade negotiations and Australia's
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  Speaker 2: role in them. What's your take on the way Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump has just upended trade economics around the country tree overnight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Look, it's a big blow for the global trading system,
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  Speaker 10: a big blow for Australian beef producers and exporters, and
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  Speaker 10: may i say, a real concern for the future. There
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  Speaker 10: were announcements about a week ago, not formally announced by
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  Speaker 10: the US but reporter by routers that they're also pausing
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  Speaker 10: their funding to the WTO, which is the World Trade Organization,
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  Speaker 10: which is largely the body that looks at disputes between
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  Speaker 10: countries in relation to the agreements they're made to each other.
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  Speaker 5: And obviously we had a terrific we have had a
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  Speaker 5: terrific free.
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  Speaker 10: Trade agreement done by the Howard government between the United
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  Speaker 10: States and Australia, and this move would not be compatible
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  Speaker 10: with that. But whether there's still an umpire who can
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  Speaker 10: actually adjudicate, we're yet to be seen.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what's the status of that.
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  Speaker 2: Surely our free trade deal is not worth the paper
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  Speaker 2: it's written on. Now you slap by ten percent tariff
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  Speaker 2: on everything out of Australia, forget the free trade deal.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, the capacity of the World Trade Organization to resolve
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  Speaker 10: trade disputes has been depleting for many years. You would
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  Speaker 10: know because you've been in the Foreign Minister's office. The
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  Speaker 10: sort of the muscle behind the WO has been atrophying
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  Speaker 10: for some time. But if it's de funded by the
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  Speaker 10: United States, that's a major blow indeed, and there won't
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  Speaker 10: be an umpire and you will eventually see global trade chaos.
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  Speaker 10: We had some you know, China wasn't abiding by its
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  Speaker 10: free trade agreement undertakings to Australia under the last government,
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  Speaker 10: and now you've got the United States doing the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: So let's hope it's quickly resolved.
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  Speaker 10: But may I say it won't be quickly resolved if
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  Speaker 10: the President of the United States will not take a
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  Speaker 10: call from our prime minister.
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  Speaker 5: And even though I heard his Press.
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  Speaker 10: Secretary say a couple of days ago, the President is
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  Speaker 10: willing to take a call from anyone that anyone obviously
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  Speaker 10: excludes our prime minister.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we know there are bad actors in this space.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, China doesn't allow free trade into China, and
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  Speaker 2: China steals intellectual property and it dumps products at will,
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  Speaker 2: and there are plenty of other countries you don't sort
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  Speaker 2: of play by the free trade rules, if you like.
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  Speaker 2: And this is obviously what Donald Trump wants to tackle, right.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump doesn't want a world surely full of tariffs.
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  Speaker 2: What he wants is these tariffs to force other countries to.
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  Speaker 1: Get rid of their barriers and open up their trade.
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  Speaker 1: Is that your reading of it? And if that's the case,
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  Speaker 1: should Australia be able to be in front of the front.
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  Speaker 2: Of the field, if you like, because we have so
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  Speaker 2: few barriers, we should be able to tidy up our
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  Speaker 2: problems and get rid of the tariffs relatively quickly. While
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  Speaker 2: he really goes into battle against the Japan and China.
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  Speaker 10: I wouldn't describe our flight dough sanitary procedures as problems, Chris.
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  Speaker 5: They're there for a reason.
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  Speaker 10: We are an island nation and we don't want to
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  Speaker 10: let in diseases that we can't then control.
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  Speaker 5: And indeed, the quality of.
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  Speaker 10: Our product is one of the reasons why we can
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  Speaker 10: sell it at such high prices overseas. I think what
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  Speaker 10: the President is keen to say is that he wants
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  Speaker 10: to see greater equilibrium in trade.
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  Speaker 5: But of course we have a trade.
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  Speaker 10: Balance very much in the United States as favor, so
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  Speaker 10: he does very well out of Australia and he knows that,
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  Speaker 10: and I think that will be one of the first
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  Speaker 10: arguments that it doesn't get government will make after.
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  Speaker 1: Make yeah, well, let me jump in there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that our biosecurity band should go, but
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  Speaker 2: they need to be explained to the Americans that they're
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  Speaker 2: not there as a trade impediment there for biosecurity, and
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  Speaker 2: obviously there might be other trade offerings that are put
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  Speaker 2: up to help smooth it over.
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  Speaker 10: And look, I understand there's about two dozen exceptionally talented
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  Speaker 10: trade negotiators from Defense in Washington at the moment pursuing
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  Speaker 10: exactly these arguments. I wish them the best of luck
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  Speaker 10: in making those arguments. But I also look forward to
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  Speaker 10: a Dutton government when our Prime minister can pick up
• 19:34
  Speaker 10: the phone to the President and have a proper conversation
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: about these things.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Indeed, all those trade negotiations having to work through one
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd. So we'll see how that's going. Thanks for
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: joining us, Zoe. I appreciate it, Zoe mackenzie. They're joining
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: us from Melbourne. I want to go up to New
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: South Wales now Intersessnok in New South Wales and catch
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: up with a man who knows Kevin Rudd very well,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Joel Fitzgiven, the former Labor Defense Minister. Thanks for joining us,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Joel is going to be great to talk to you
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: throughout the camp. You know Kevin Rudd very well. This
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: is a very difficult job for any ambassador. How's he
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: going to pick his way through this one?
• 20:08
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Chris, Well, it's a difficult job for every ambassador
• 20:12
  Speaker 12: from every country around the world. And you know, I
• 20:15
  Speaker 12: don't mind saying, and I truly believe this, Kevin Rudd
• 20:19
  Speaker 12: was born to do that job. He was maybe born
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: to do that job more than he was born to
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: be a prime minister. He's been in defact, he's been
• 20:26
  Speaker 12: a diplomat, he knows the subject matter well, and he's
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: a workaholic. So I don't believe Kevin run is the problem.
• 20:34
  Speaker 12: I mean, Donald Trump's not picking up the phone to
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: anyone on this matter.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I suppose.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: The trouble though, is that Donald Trump more than most politicians.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: They're all a little bit sensitive when it comes to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: their own egos, I suppose, but he's particularly pointed about
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: any personal slights against him, and he'll never forget what
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: labor leaders like a run of said about him in
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the past.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a small barrier to him at
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the very least, well.
• 21:04
  Speaker 12: In liberal Let's be very honest about that, Chris. But
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: Trump's gone up fair a bit on each plate. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 12: suspect he doesn't spend any time thinking about Kevin Rudda
• 21:14
  Speaker 12: or anyone else that might have been disrespectful to him
• 21:19
  Speaker 12: in the past. I just think that it's a mistake
• 21:23
  Speaker 12: for anyone to argue, as ZOHI just did that, you know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: like Peter, for example, Peter Dutt would be better at
• 21:29
  Speaker 12: managing Trump on this issue. Look the punters that watch
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: these things or that closely, Chris, but they they're smart
• 21:36
  Speaker 12: enough to know that when every country in the world
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: is being treated exactly the same, no exceptions on this tarifficial,
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: it's not sustainable to argue that if we had a
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: different prime minister in this country or a different ambassador
• 21:52
  Speaker 12: in Washington, we'd get a different outcome. I think they've
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: worked that out well and truly.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very much a hypothetical and the point the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: real query is why Australia would even be included because
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: they have a trade surplus with US. There are such
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: limited barriers to any American trade here, so it is
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: really a big question, and you would hope we might
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: be able to fix it up relatively quickly. Nobody, no
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: matter who's in charge, but Donald Trump, you're right, is
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: really focused on a global play here rather than anything
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: directed specifically out Australia.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I've got to get your thoughts on the campaign.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: It's been going a week by tomorrow morning, give us
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: your sense. Do you think there's any clarity from either
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Labor or the coalition about what the key themes are.
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 12: Look, I think Anthony Amberinezi you come out of the
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: box very quickly, and you'd expect that from the sitting
• 22:43
  Speaker 12: Prime minister and I think up until today, at least,
• 22:47
  Speaker 12: they've both done a pretty good job sticking to their
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: key themes. But the cost of living is dominating this
• 22:54
  Speaker 12: election campaign like no other manner dominated any election campaign
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: in my lifetime. In my bill, it's been knocked off
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: our path today with this tariff is shoe, and that's
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: a good thing for Anthony. Albaniz I thought it was
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: a mistake for Peter to argue that he could do
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: better with Trump without really being able to back that
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: up with any evidence of his claim, because all that's
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: done is further entrenched the tariffich shoe in the domestic
• 23:21
  Speaker 12: debate here, and of course whatever or of cost of
• 23:25
  Speaker 12: living issues, that's an advantage to the incumbenty.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very interesting point, although they should be
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: able to link the tariff issue, these economic issues to
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the cost of living, I suppose because you point there, though,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: it's a welcome distraction for Anthony Alberanizi is one that
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: some will agree with, some might challenge.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: But why it's interesting is this won't go away, Joel.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: This We'll be talking about this next week and the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: week after and the week after. So it may be
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: a distraction, right throughout the election campaign.
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: Well it may be, but I think Peter did all
• 24:01
  Speaker 12: all he could do today to keep it on the agenda,
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: and I suspect that Anthony Alberezi was very happy about that,
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: because again I don't believe the punters except that Albo
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: has underperformed on this issue, and I don't really think
• 24:16
  Speaker 12: they believe that Peter could have done any better. So
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: whatever we're talking about tariffs, I'm forgett about the knock
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: on effect of tarrets. We're not talking about cost of
• 24:24
  Speaker 12: living and giving. There's a cost of living issue in
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: this country that's obviously an advantage to the incumbenty.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as sure as a cost of living issue. Thanks
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: for joining us, Joel, I appreciate your insights. We'll catch
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: up with you next week.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: We've got to take a break. Coming up after the break.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I've checked in on two tail seats here in Melbourne too,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: that the Liberals are looking to fight back.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Don't go away.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Now the win government in this election, of course, the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Coalition needs to win a swag of seats from Labor,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: but it'll also need to hauld back a number of
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: its former prize seats that are now held by the heels.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Today I visited two till seats in Melbourne that the
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Liberals are a good chance to win back. They're certainly
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: throwing everything at Couyong and Goldstein gold sign is held
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: by Kuyong, of course, is held by Menique Ryan and
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Zoe Daniels holds Goldstein for the tills. I started in
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Couyong where the Liberals have made hay from that poster
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: pinching antic from Menique Ryan's husband.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, hang on mate, what are you doing? I'm taking yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: beg you pardon.
• 25:33
  Speaker 14: It's not taking the sign out?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: What are you doing that for? It's on public land,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Amelia Haimer.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: With these posters, you've turned some campaign madness from Menique
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Ryan's campaign into a bit of fun.
• 25:48
  Speaker 15: Well, our posters have been in hot demand and people
• 25:51
  Speaker 15: want to keep a close eye on them and make
• 25:52
  Speaker 15: sure they don't disappear. Chris.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It actually makes a serious point, though, doesn't it, about
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the double standards, the hypocrisy of the tear.
• 26:00
  Speaker 15: I think you've got to practice what you preach, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 15: that's what I would always hope to do with You know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 15: is unlucky enough to be elected as than them? For Kua,
• 26:07
  Speaker 15: we actually I vote liberal instead of independent.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, give me a reason.
• 26:11
  Speaker 15: Yeah, so the main the main like obviously got an
• 26:13
  Speaker 15: independent the moment. The problem with being an independent is
• 26:15
  Speaker 15: you can say a lot of things, you can put
• 26:17
  Speaker 15: up petitions, you can sort of put pressure on people,
• 26:20
  Speaker 15: but you can't actually pass laws and fun things and
• 26:22
  Speaker 15: do stuff. So it's kind of for me, it's about
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: got to be part of a team.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: Photo.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah sure.
• 26:29
  Speaker 14: Now this is not a left wing electorate, this is
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: a well healed electorate. Yet the Tills pretend they're kind
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: of liberal light I think liberal light or are they
• 26:37
  Speaker 14: actually a green left party?
• 26:39
  Speaker 15: I think the proof is in the pudding. Right. What
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: you've seen is elected member in Thenique Bryan who's voted
• 26:45
  Speaker 15: seventy seven percent of the time with the Greens. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 15: people cut these numbers one way or another. But in
• 26:50
  Speaker 15: the end, what really matters is when that division bell
• 26:52
  Speaker 15: goes in Parliament, who.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Are you sitting with?
• 26:54
  Speaker 15: And seventy seventy percent of the time the nik Bryan
• 26:57
  Speaker 15: has been sitting with the Grays.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been popular at times that there must be
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: some appeal to the Tills in this electric Do you
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: understand what that is?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: In the end, the problem is the tials can say
• 27:07
  Speaker 15: a lot of things, but they can't deliver. They can't
• 27:09
  Speaker 15: actually fun things. They can't actually you know, pass the legislation.
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: And that's the point of being part of a team,
• 27:14
  Speaker 15: being part of a party, because everything we say we're
• 27:17
  Speaker 15: going to do, we actually do.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, So what are the key electric issues here for
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you in Kyong? Surely costs of living isn't looming so
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: large in a place as comfortable as this, So.
• 27:29
  Speaker 15: Custom living is still a really major issue here in Kuryole.
• 27:33
  Speaker 15: Crime is really significant. I knock on someone's door probably
• 27:36
  Speaker 15: once a week. I've knocked on six thousand doors, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 15: a lot of those people are telling me that there's
• 27:39
  Speaker 15: had home invasions, people with the sheddies in their back garden.
• 27:43
  Speaker 15: Had a lady the other the other week who said
• 27:45
  Speaker 15: that she had three guys come into her house with machetes.
• 27:48
  Speaker 15: They stole cars. The police courtland place did a great job.
• 27:52
  Speaker 15: She said, it was fantastic, but then the courts bailed them.
• 27:55
  Speaker 15: Next night, same guys back at their hots.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Terrible.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Look, there's no doubt it seems that the coalition will
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: win some seats off flavor in this election, but to
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: win government, it's going to have to win some seats
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: off the tials as well.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Do you believe a seat like this is achievable?
• 28:10
  Speaker 15: Absolutely? I mean the margin, it's one of the most
• 28:13
  Speaker 15: marginal seats in the country. Depending on how you cut
• 28:15
  Speaker 15: the data, the margin is either two point two percent
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: or zero point two percent. So this is absolutely a
• 28:20
  Speaker 15: target from the Liberal Party and we need to prevent, frankly,
• 28:24
  Speaker 15: the local member here from being the decider in terms
• 28:26
  Speaker 15: of who gets into government and in creating chaos in
• 28:29
  Speaker 15: a hung parliament and a coalition with the Labor and
• 28:32
  Speaker 15: Tearless and the Great The.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Tills won't say who were they who they would support
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: in the event of a hung parliament.
• 28:37
  Speaker 15: Exactly, and I think you know, the local member, Human
• 28:40
  Speaker 15: Agrin has made it pretty clear that she would not
• 28:42
  Speaker 15: countenance supporting Peter Dutton or on Liberal government.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Just ten minutes down the road from Kooyong is this
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: seat of Goldstein. It's another former Liberal seat lost to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a teal Zoey Daniel.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: At the last election.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: It has a large Jewish population, something that's front of
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: mine for the former Liberal MP sim Wilson who's trying
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: to win it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Back.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: Well, it's the Gata has the third largest Jewish community
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: in the country, so it's obviously an enormously important part
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: of the electorate, about ten percent. But it's also, of
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: course the section of the community that's leaved the consequences
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: of this government, particularly since the events of the seventh
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: of October twenty twenty three and the unfolding of anti
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Semitism from a failure of moral leadership from the government
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: as well.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I've had a number of members of the Jewish
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: community come up to me since I've been here, and
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: you seem to be well known here I go, I
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: guess as the former member. But do they understand the
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: role of the Tills and this I mean Zoey Daniel
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: has been an opponent, really an antagonist towards Israel for
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: a long while.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so they do understand that since the last federal election,
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: the federal avy government has been really failed in its
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: sense of obligation to the Jewish community. But it's very
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: much been seen through also the local member before last electtion,
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: and it was made explicit that she'd instansign the Palestinian letter,
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: which basically said that generals should ignore the position of
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: Israel and delegitimize their position in relation to conflict. But
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: since then they've seen consistent messages or talking out of
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: both sides of the mouth in the context of Israel,
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: and also a very weak response on anti Semitism. So
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: I think overwhelmingly is understood and there is a real
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: sense that the community has been let down. They want clarity,
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: particularly in comparison to the leadership of people like Peter
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: Dutton who have been unambiguous in their support.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: There you go go, mate, how are you? Don't you cop? Oh,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I got to win. That's a plan.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Tell me too about the tills and their refusal in
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: this case, Zoe Daniel's refusal to say what she.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Would do in the event of a hung Parliament. It's
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: a It's a con isn't it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: We all know they would only ever support a Labour
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Greens government.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: Well, this is always my kind of response to people
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: say well, she's Peter Dutton or Anthony alberanez you and
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: I say well, she says she went to board either,
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: but we all know deep down that she really wants
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: that in band to be Prime minister. But this is
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: the problem is the whole basis of their original pitch
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: was they believed in integrity in public life.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Well, that starts by telling.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: People what you're going to do before you get elected,
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: and so that people have clear and transparency about what
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: they're then voting for, so they go into the ballot
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: box and then you can go on and deliver.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: It should you get elected. So I think to me,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: it's pretty.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: Clear what they're going to go on and do.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: The other point, when it comes to integrity, strikes me.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: They talk a lot about getting the big money out
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: of politics, and they say they're not a party, they're
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: all community independents, but they're all run by Simon Holmes
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: of Courts Climate two hundred, big money and they're acting
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: like a party.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: Well before the last election, there was all this talk
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: about how it was community based. You go to the
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: AAC disclosures in Goldstein and of the disclosable manager of
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: the AAC, seventy eight percent of it came from Sydney
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: corporate entities. And so that doesn't sound to me like
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: community based campaign And exactly the same thing is being
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: replicated at this election, and so you're seeing a very
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: external influence over communities and I think people are waking
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: up to that, and of course their focus is primarily
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: and what's in the interest of their don't it's not
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: actually what's in the.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Interest community they be listed as a party.
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: I think we've got to look seriously at elector law
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: because really what they're doing is subverting electoral law in
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: the way that they're operating at the moment. They've set
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: up a corporate structure where money is going into it
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: to subvert electoral law, and then it's been pumped into
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: campaigns and they're just declaring it from one entity rather
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: than what the real sources of those money actually is.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: The tials and Climate two hundred subverting electoral law. It's
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: a pretty bold claim there from Tim Wilson. There's a
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: lot to be pursued there. I think somebody ought to
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: investigate it. We'll ask some more questions about that as
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: time goes on. We've got to take a break now though,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: and after that we'll check in on the Prime Minister.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albaneze has taken a tumble off stage during campaigning.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: This afternoon we'll have that plus Tim and Mark Don't
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: go away, Tim and Mark coming up, and another stellar performance.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: From a labor luminary. You won't want to miss that one.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But now let's go to Alexander down Of, the former
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Foreign minister of this great country, joins me live from Adelaide.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Alexander. Look, we've been
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: hearing about Liberation Day for some time, but this is
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: something to see. This is Donald Trump just upending global
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: trade policy.
• 33:37
  Speaker 16: Yes, this is right, there's no doubt. There's no doubt.
• 33:42
  Speaker 16: It's a very dramatic day. I mean, it's pretty much
• 33:45
  Speaker 16: what we expected. I suppose a ten percent across the board,
• 33:50
  Speaker 16: plus supplementary tariffs on a range of countries.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: What will up end the.
• 33:56
  Speaker 16: Global trading system is retaliation. So the European Union is
• 34:01
  Speaker 16: saying it will retaliate, China will retaliate, Canada will retaliate.
• 34:08
  Speaker 16: So this will only make the situation worse. I'm pleased
• 34:11
  Speaker 16: to see the Australia is not going to retaliate by
• 34:14
  Speaker 16: introducing tariffs on American imports. But getting into this tet
• 34:20
  Speaker 16: for tat retaliation is going to be very damaging to
• 34:25
  Speaker 16: the global economy unfortunately.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a risk that Donald Trump must be
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: aware of. Look, it's playing out big time, of course
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: in our election campaign. It's bound to both leaders, not
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: a unity ticket when it comes to what they think
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: of the decision. I suppose a bit of politics as
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: to who could deal with it best. But Australia is
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: not really a target here of Donald Trump, is it.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: We're just sort of been collected up as an off target.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Kill if you like. Is there any way that we
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: could negotiate our way out of this early? Do you think?
• 35:02
  Speaker 16: Well, certainly, not before the election, but after the election.
• 35:06
  Speaker 16: I think whoever wins the election should go to Washington,
• 35:10
  Speaker 16: go to the White House and see if it's possible
• 35:13
  Speaker 16: to negotiate at least of some way through here. We
• 35:16
  Speaker 16: obviously want to ensure our beef and wine industries are
• 35:21
  Speaker 16: able to continue to export tariff free, although for the
• 35:26
  Speaker 16: wine industry it will now have a competitive advantage over
• 35:30
  Speaker 16: the European Union with half the tariff that the European
• 35:33
  Speaker 16: Union will have. But I mean, I think we need
• 35:37
  Speaker 16: to look to the future. The challenge for the re
• 35:41
  Speaker 16: elected or new Australian government will be to see what
• 35:46
  Speaker 16: concessions we can get in the next few months once
• 35:49
  Speaker 16: the election is out of the way, and who will
• 35:52
  Speaker 16: be able to do that? I mean, people can make
• 35:54
  Speaker 16: their judgments. My judgment is, but Peter Dutton is a
• 36:00
  Speaker 16: very tough sort of guy, and I think he would
• 36:03
  Speaker 16: be a better negotiator than Anthony Albanezi.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Must make you wonder, though, given your role in helping
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: to negotiate the US Free Trade Agreement, along with.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: John Howard and Mark Vale and others, what's the point
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: of it?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: You get a free trade agreement, a comprehensive one, and
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Trump just cast it aside.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: That's true. It's pretty depressing.
• 36:31
  Speaker 16: We were very excited when we concluded those negotiations on
• 36:35
  Speaker 16: the free trade agreement back in well I think it
• 36:38
  Speaker 16: was two thousand and five, and we've seen enormous growth
• 36:42
  Speaker 16: in Australian Australian trade with the United States since then.
• 36:48
  Speaker 16: So it's been a huge success for both countries. And
• 36:51
  Speaker 16: the Americans have a trade surplus with Australia, which has
• 36:54
  Speaker 16: never bothered me much. It's meant that we're being able
• 36:58
  Speaker 16: to import into Australia essential American goods and services without
• 37:03
  Speaker 16: any tariffs, without any taxes, if you like. So it's
• 37:07
  Speaker 16: been good for the Australian economy. So it's disappointing to
• 37:11
  Speaker 16: see this. But the important thing is we don't retaliate
• 37:15
  Speaker 16: and introduce a whole lot of tariffs on American imports.
• 37:19
  Speaker 16: That would be a very foolish, self defeating thing to do.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: It's certainly intruded on our election campaign too. I'll get
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on how that is playing out next week
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: when we catch up with you. Thanks for joining us, Alexander,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Alexander downa there live from Adelaide. Going to move on,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I want to share with you another insight from another
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: labor luminary. This time it's Andrew Lee, Assistant Treasurer. This
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: bloke is camera based and he used to be a
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: professor of economics at the Australian National University. No less, so,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: what did he decide to pontificate on today? Do you
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: think tariff's global trade, the cost of living, energy policy
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: and its impact on our trade exposed industries, electricity costs
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: for small business.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: No.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: He decided to have a kind of stilted rant against
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: that looked at which government supplied house Peter Dutton might
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: choose to call home if he wins the election.
• 38:28
  Speaker 13: When he became Prime Minister, Anthony Albanesi made clear that he,
• 38:32
  Speaker 13: Jody and Toto would live in the nation's capital. Peter
• 38:36
  Speaker 13: Dutton's more interested in how the job serves him than
• 38:40
  Speaker 13: in how he can serve the Australian people. Anthony Albanesi
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: chooses to live in the nation's capital because he knows
• 38:47
  Speaker 13: that's how he can best serve all Australians.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Toto, he even mentioned Toto. Now Albo lives in the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: lodge and he hangs out when he feels like a curability.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: And Dutton, if he wins, might flip that around, you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: like John Howard did and others. And that's what troubles
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the mind, apparently of the Assistant Treasurer of this nation,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Professor Lee.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Have a listen to how he wraps it up.
• 39:15
  Speaker 13: Only Labor respects Australia's institutions. Only Labor will put Australians first.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Respect for Australia's institutions, the lodge. The Lodge is an
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Australian institution now, and Curability isn't. Are these freaks for real?
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: How about respect for our cost of living? How about respect.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: For electricity prices?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: How about respect for your political promises, or respect for
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: fiscal discipline or future generations. How about you find some
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: respect for Australian voters and spend your time working for
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: them rather than making funny little video clips about some
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: house that you drive past every day your camera bubble.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in Tim Blair who joins me on the
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: desk here in mel Sorry, Tim Blair in.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Wimmera, out of the west of Victoria.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And Mark Nicholson that's the one, Yes, the one's on
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the desk here with me in Melbourne.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Good to see you guys. Can you believe this?
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Andrew Lee guy, that's he's a professor of economics, but
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: he's talking about Toto and the lodge.
• 40:25
  Speaker 17: I know, it's it's ridiculous, it's what it's. What actually
• 40:28
  Speaker 17: love about this campaign so far is that I feel
• 40:30
  Speaker 17: like they've just put the wind in the sails of
• 40:32
  Speaker 17: the Labor Party, which has just made them arrogant, more
• 40:35
  Speaker 17: confident than ever, which has just made them swing and
• 40:38
  Speaker 17: go nuts and say dumb stuff like this. It's very
• 40:41
  Speaker 17: clear wherever Peter Duntont lives, all I know is right
• 40:43
  Speaker 17: now he lives rent free in every Labor minister's head.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: That's where living rent free and his head, Tim, you'd
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: concur with that, no doubt.
• 40:53
  Speaker 18: Well, it's actually a kind of a scary idea.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 40:55
  Speaker 18: I've had many very pleasant dealings with Andrew Lee. You know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 18: he's a person chap when you're dealing with him via
• 41:01
  Speaker 18: via email and some on. But I don't think he's
• 41:04
  Speaker 18: the right person to make videos because he kind of
• 41:06
  Speaker 18: looks like a he's from a British horror movie in
• 41:08
  Speaker 18: the nineteen fifties. He's got that kind of you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 18: kind of doctor Crippen look about him, which doesn't doesn't
• 41:16
  Speaker 18: help his message any But yeah, yeah, the camera bubble
• 41:18
  Speaker 18: is ball served by the likes of those folk. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 18: I think I don't think Peter Dutton would have lost
• 41:22
  Speaker 18: a single vote over this whole issue.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I think maybe the odd camera vote, but they're
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: not the ones he's chasing. Just at the moment now,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: breaking news this afternoon, Albow had a bit of a
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: tumble off the stage.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this photos with everyone.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, Now the Prime Minister is okay, which is good,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: but you know you wouldn't normally raise this, tim But
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: the thing is, you will remember, of course, when John
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Howard fell off a stage in the two thousand and
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: seven election campaign, and that was like leading the television
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: news bulletins. The campaign stumble, it's all over for Howard.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: So I suppose that's what will be dominating the news
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: tonight for Albow.
• 42:19
  Speaker 18: Or possibly not. I mean, I think in two thousand
• 42:21
  Speaker 18: and seven when John Howard fell, it was used, as
• 42:24
  Speaker 18: you know, a visual metaphor for how his campaign was going,
• 42:27
  Speaker 18: how his prime minister prime ministership was concluding, and so on.
• 42:30
  Speaker 18: And it's a fairly irresistible metaphor if you want to
• 42:32
  Speaker 18: go with that. But I think the thing that's that
• 42:36
  Speaker 18: gets me about things like this wouldn't happen to it.
• 42:39
  Speaker 18: As we see the PM go down there, look at
• 42:41
  Speaker 18: all the flashbolbs. The last thing you hear as a
• 42:44
  Speaker 18: prime minister as you hear the flaw is do do
• 42:47
  Speaker 18: do motor drives? And yeah, it's going to be a
• 42:51
  Speaker 18: bit embarrassing. Is obviously embarrassing as well as potentially hurtful.
• 42:55
  Speaker 18: Yeah you could good on him in bouncing back to
• 42:57
  Speaker 18: his feet and there does the hands up. Good luck
• 42:59
  Speaker 18: to elbow that front. You can live to walk again.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Look straight away people were going all this Biden comparisons
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: and whatever, Mark, which is just nonsensical. The poor blug
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: slipped off, although I do believe he said on radio
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: that I didn't fall, you know, I managed to just
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: lose lose my footing on one leg or what mate,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: you fel.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: He's lying again? This is it would know about that.
• 43:25
  Speaker 17: That's the playbook for Albert Easy has just denied tonight. Tonight,
• 43:29
  Speaker 17: and at the same time, I don't know if you noticed,
• 43:30
  Speaker 17: he just grabbed the bloke trying to pull him.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Down with him when he was falling. That's all he's doing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: He's just taking anyone with him. Very good. Now I've
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: got to point out tonight.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: You know I normally have my adlaid Crows mug on
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the set. I have now got a Hawthorne mug tonight.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: The Charlie here in the Melbourne Bureau, he said you
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: won't have your Crows mug tonight, and he gave me
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: a package with a mug. I unwrapped it excitedly, thinking
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a Crows mug. That good joke,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Charlie Hawthorne supporter. It's a Hawthorne mug, but I think
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: it's lovely. I know Rita Pana he would love to
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: use this map after I leave. The plenty of Hawthorn
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: supporters around, but I didn't know this Blake was a
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Hawthorne supporter.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Have a look we got.
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: Tonight, we got the we've once here the last ten years.
• 44:19
  Speaker 15: Yeah, well when Charlie can, I got a worse.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: I'm happy because we're a happy team at Hawthorn.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: The happy team at Hawthorne. Olbo's a Hawthorne man. The
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: blake for the Rabbits. I mean that's a bit try hard,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: isn't it. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I had no idea.
• 44:37
  Speaker 17: I can't really comment on football, mate, I'm a North
• 44:39
  Speaker 17: Melbourne supporter. I just got to keep my mouth shut
• 44:41
  Speaker 17: when it comes to footing. I just need to shut up,
• 44:43
  Speaker 17: That's all I need to do.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Well, Tim, I think instead of somebody asking him what
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the unemployment rate in this campaign is so much at
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: ask him to name the Hawthorne half forward line because
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I'm tipping he wouldn't get one of them.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Well he isn't.
• 44:57
  Speaker 18: It's a pretty good effort to remember the line from
• 44:59
  Speaker 18: the So you know, maybe he is a slightly more
• 45:02
  Speaker 18: afol aware than we would have suspected, although might be Cawthorne. Seriously,
• 45:08
  Speaker 18: there's got to be there's there's there's there's other better options,
• 45:11
  Speaker 18: even my option, which is to follow now them, I
• 45:12
  Speaker 18: will put it in front of Hawthorne at the moment.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim famously a former Collingwood supporter.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: There's not many of those.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: There's about as many former Collingwood supporters are as there
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: are former al Qaeda members, but he is one. Let's
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: go to the protesters today. Labour now starting to get
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: some of their own with climate nutters barging in on
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: all their campaign events.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this at Maitland for new.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Colin Cap companys on the line.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: I want to stay place to children.
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: Expansion program.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Crisis is the greatest health threat of Australia. Yeah, you
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: know you had to give these people publicity mark. But
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the point is Labor and a Zacha likes love to
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: get these people to turn up a coalition events.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Now they're turning up at Labor events.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Well, get to taste your own medicine and that take
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: away from whatever government spending you're.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Trying to flog on that particular day. Percent.
• 46:21
  Speaker 17: I guarantee what's going to happen now is we're going
• 46:23
  Speaker 17: to start seeing some more measures put in place to
• 46:25
  Speaker 17: try and stop these protesters that they're happening at Labor
• 46:28
  Speaker 17: press conferences.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I guarantee it. We're already seeing him.
• 46:30
  Speaker 17: Start to shut down actual journalists' questions, so he's going
• 46:33
  Speaker 17: to shut down protest as soon as well. But this
• 46:35
  Speaker 17: is I think it's just indicative of I don't understand
• 46:37
  Speaker 17: how this thing's so close. I honestly don't understand how
• 46:40
  Speaker 17: it's so close. These are the people that are supposedly
• 46:43
  Speaker 17: backing Labor. I thought he'd lost all.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Of these people.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: It's such a we'll talk about that over the next
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: few weeks, but according to the polls, it's very close.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: But it's hard to imagine that. The thing about Maitland, Tim.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: As you've been well aware though protesting against fossil fuels
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: in Maitland, Maitland wouldn't exist. There's a town of one
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand people at a lovely hospital, all sorts of facilities, jobs, employment, industry,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: all based on fossil fuels exactly.
• 47:10
  Speaker 18: And also it's something that we ought to think about
• 47:13
  Speaker 18: in terms of the two party preferred voting system we
• 47:16
  Speaker 18: have those two protesters votes will get back to Labor
• 47:21
  Speaker 18: almost certainly via the two party preferred, so you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 18: they might have people yelling at them at the moment,
• 47:26
  Speaker 18: but they will scoop up those votes in the in
• 47:28
  Speaker 18: the in the end because of a two party system,
• 47:31
  Speaker 18: which I or a party preferred system that really it's
• 47:34
  Speaker 18: a kind of creepy and wrong. And when you when
• 47:36
  Speaker 18: you're looking at like gat these people are posing government,
• 47:37
  Speaker 18: they're going to end up voting for them.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I just I've just got to show you something that
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Albo has been doing all week, because I find this
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit weird. There's something that's been flushing around
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: a bit.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: What it represents is a card that says if I
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: get sick, if I need healthcare, I'll get it. They
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: hated the idea that this little card here would be
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: able to give the same healthcare to a billionaire that
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: it gives to an invalupe pensioner. All that people need
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: is this little bit of green and gold plastic.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: So Mark, if he loses, does he get a gig
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: selling AMEX cards?
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe?
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:23
  Speaker 17: It looks pretty comfy doing it, doesn't he It's pretty comfy.
• 48:26
  Speaker 17: I don't know what's the tactic here is just look
• 48:28
  Speaker 17: at me.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I'm one of you.
• 48:29
  Speaker 17: I also have a Medicare card. I don't know what
• 48:32
  Speaker 17: he's doings. He's using it like it's a hostage.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: We've all had him.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: For decades through labor and coalition governments, but now.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: He's a multimillionaire.
• 48:41
  Speaker 17: Let's not forget that he's a multimillionaire who doesn't actually
• 48:43
  Speaker 17: need Medicare.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yet he's using it as.
• 48:45
  Speaker 17: A hostage, you know, and he's got tape over.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Its mouth so you can't read the numbers, all that
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: sort of stuff.
• 48:49
  Speaker 17: I don't understand the tactic here at all.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you look at your Medicare card, Tim and
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: put it to good use, do you think vote labor.
• 48:59
  Speaker 18: No, it's kind of a lary like I think he would.
• 49:06
  Speaker 18: He's just reminded everyone that obviously Medicare should be indexed,
• 49:10
  Speaker 18: and that they're beyond a certain wage level, you shouldn't
• 49:12
  Speaker 18: be depending on it because it just makes it more
• 49:14
  Speaker 18: expensive and more cumbersome for everybody. So I'm not sure
• 49:17
  Speaker 18: that he's waving around the little green and gold plastic
• 49:19
  Speaker 18: card again as much feels like a hostage. Is all
• 49:23
  Speaker 18: that wise and move politically.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Great to talk to you Tim and Mark, both in
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: your home state this time around.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you next week. I just want
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: to fish and finish.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Off very briefly with some of your feedback from the
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: John Howard interview last night, and not surprisingly many you
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: were very pleased to see him spot on John Howard.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Albow is completely out of his depths. At one viewer
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: and the others said, the difference is so remarkable. Here's
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: a man of wisdom and integrity, something Albow knows nothing about.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for watching. I will see you next week.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Coming up after this short commercial break is Peter Credlen
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: with her Power Hour next week.
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  Speaker 1: M