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Credlin | 1 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Thank you for your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up tonight on the program, The lesson the West must
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Speaker 2: take from Mithrael's ongoing five for its very existence, as
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Speaker 2: the IDF begins raids in southern Lebanon to take out
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Speaker 2: the terrorist threat of Hezbela. The bombshell nuclear report released
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Speaker 2: overnight from the US government that's put paid to Labour's
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Speaker 2: claim the nuclear powers to costly for Australia. In fact,
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Speaker 2: it stays it makes renewables cheaper. We'll get into the
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Speaker 2: detail of that report a little later. Pass back to
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Speaker 2: the Federal Court. The defamation travel between Moira and Deemi
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Speaker 2: and John Pizzuto. Revelations have come thick and fast over
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Speaker 2: the last two days as the trial days have got
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Speaker 2: pushed out into early November, and Liberals tell the media
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Speaker 2: today at time for their leader to resign. Our court
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Speaker 2: reporter will join me for more and a week Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: a week Labor Governments, Peter Dutton is tearing at the
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Speaker 2: very fabric of our social cohesion.
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Speaker 3: It's obvious now that the government sowed the seeds on
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Speaker 3: October nine when they didn't respond to the violence that
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Speaker 3: we saw on the steps of the Sydney Opera House,
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Speaker 3: the protests that we've seen going on and on and
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Speaker 3: on at university campuses. The Prime Minister has just sat
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Speaker 3: there for twelve months and done nothing.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you some more out of that press compos
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Speaker 2: It was quite extraordinary today from Peter Dutton. The first.
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Speaker 2: The ground invasion of Lebanon that started today shows the
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Speaker 2: Israeli nations utter determination to prevail over all of its enemies.
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Speaker 2: Given all the Jewish people have suffered more than three
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Speaker 2: millennia of dispersal, persecution and scorn culminating in the Holocaust,
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Speaker 2: there never again resolve can only be admired. And before
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Speaker 2: all the hand riggers and the moral equivalence merchants get going,
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Speaker 2: let's point out that this is not a grab the
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Speaker 2: terror tree, nor is it a wanton attack on innocent people.
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Speaker 2: Since October seven, Hezblah have rained down some nine thousand
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Speaker 2: missiles on Israel from Haven's in Lebanon. They've ignored UN
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Speaker 2: resolutions to withdraw their forces north of the Litani River,
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Speaker 2: and they remain utterly pledged to Israel's destruction. This is
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Speaker 2: a legitimate war of self defense, and Israel is waging
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Speaker 2: it with all possible consideration to minimize and avoid civilian casualties.
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Speaker 2: But here's where Israel is showing up the West. It's
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Speaker 2: defending itself against enemies with the kind of strength you
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Speaker 2: need that shows them that aggression has a very high price. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: it's worth comparing the situation of the Israelis with that
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Speaker 2: of the Ukrainians, both countries fighting for their lives against
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Speaker 2: enemies that wish to destroy their national independence. Israel's case,
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Speaker 2: it's not just the destruction of the Jewish state, but
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Speaker 2: the absolute annihilation of the Jewish people. But while Israel
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Speaker 2: wants America to help, it doesn't need America to help
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Speaker 2: to the same extent that Ukraine does. It doesn't need
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Speaker 2: America's permission to hit its enemies and make them suffer.
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Speaker 2: In America, it needs to be said, under the current
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Speaker 2: administration has forgotten that appeasing dictators never works. That's why
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Speaker 2: Israel can fight to win rather than just fight not
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Speaker 2: to lose. There's a lesson here for countries like Australia.
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Speaker 2: In a dangerous world, we have to be able to
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Speaker 2: defend ourselves if it ever comes to it, we can't
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Speaker 2: rely on America to do our fighting for us. Let's
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Speaker 2: face it, it was always wrong to expect another country
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Speaker 2: to do more for us than we could or would
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Speaker 2: be prepared to do for ourselves. It's one of the
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Speaker 2: many reasons why we need a change of government, to
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Speaker 2: have leaders who again take seriously the military needs of
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Speaker 2: this country, who were not weak, who were not full
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Speaker 2: of excuses in a world that's only growing more challenging
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Speaker 2: by the day, and look just to stay on the
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Speaker 2: issue of sovereignty. In the end, military strength is a
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Speaker 2: function of economic strength, and that's where the current government
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Speaker 2: is taking us down a ruinous path. Thanks to the
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Speaker 2: green lefts emissions obsession and obsession that our strategic competitors
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Speaker 2: like China and Russia simply do not share. The price
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Speaker 2: of our electricity has gone up and up, an experts
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Speaker 2: at austraategy depends on for our prosperity, Coal and gas
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Speaker 2: increasingly are in jeopardy. As you know, I'm no climate zealot.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to see coal and gas ended as
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Speaker 2: soon as possible because I believe very strongly in energy
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Speaker 2: security that comes with base load power. All of you
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Speaker 2: who are you should read the lattest report just out
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Speaker 2: from the United States Department of Energy, so Joe Biden's
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Speaker 2: own Department of Energy. The debunk's claims that nuclear power
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Speaker 2: is too expensive to use here in Australia, even though
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Speaker 2: it's already used in some thirty other countries, and it
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Speaker 2: says US government official report the debunks the report from
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Speaker 2: Australia's CSIRO on what's called the levelized cost of electricity
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Speaker 2: that Chris Bowen says proves that emissions free nuclear power
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Speaker 2: is much more expensive than firmed renewables. This latest US
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Speaker 2: report out overnight says and I quote levelized cost of
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Speaker 2: electricity does not capture the full benefits of nuclear as
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Speaker 2: a clean firm resource. These include the value of an
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Speaker 2: eighty year old operating asset, the value of firm generation
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Speaker 2: to provide power during key periods of grid need or
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Speaker 2: when other variable resources are not generating, and the value
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Speaker 2: of clean electricity relative to carbon emitting resources. Here's the
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Speaker 2: key table. It's headed and I quote including nuclear with
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Speaker 2: renewables and storage decreases the cost of decarbonization using modeling
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Speaker 2: based on the experience of California, The US Department of
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Speaker 2: Energy says that the cost per megored hour of renewables
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Speaker 2: and storage only ranges from one hundred and twenty nine
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Speaker 2: to one hundred and fifty dollars, while the cost of
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Speaker 2: renewables with storage and nuclear, well, that's just between eighty
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Speaker 2: and ninety four dollars. In other words, using nuclear makes
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Speaker 2: electricity thirty seven percent less expensive. Unlike the CSIRO, which
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Speaker 2: assumes nuclear plants only have a thirty year lifespan, the
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Speaker 2: US report estimates they have an eighty year lifespan, so
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Speaker 2: they keep generating twenty four to seven clean power long
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Speaker 2: after they've been paid off. And that makes nuclear no brainer,
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Speaker 2: not just on the zero emissions point, but also on
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Speaker 2: the economics, because for wind and solar they need replacing
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Speaker 2: about every twenty five years or so. Now, it was
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Speaker 2: always absurd of the Albanezer government to insist that nuclear
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Speaker 2: power is essential to see in our submarines, but somehow
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Speaker 2: prohibitive on land. Now that the authoritative costings emerge from
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Speaker 2: Biden's America, it's clear that green ideology is about the
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Speaker 2: only thing that's stopping us down from repealing the ban
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Speaker 2: on civil nuclear power and finally getting serious about getting
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Speaker 2: on a building the only technology commercially in use that
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Speaker 2: will give us emissions free electricity and at such a
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Speaker 2: scale that we can keep the lights on, keep big
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Speaker 2: industry going, and keep Australia safe in these increasingly turbulent times. Look,
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Speaker 2: before we get into a busy night of news, I
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Speaker 2: need to show you this exchange today between Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: and an ABC journalist on the topic of the listed
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Speaker 2: terror organization has Balah. It almost blew up the internet
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Speaker 2: this afternoon. Now I'm going to play it in full
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Speaker 2: because I want you to be the judge.
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Speaker 4: I determined.
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Speaker 3: Even though where are you from? I'm sorry which organization? ABC?
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Speaker 3: So what's the question from the ABC?
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Speaker 4: Just to be very clear, I just wanted to find out.
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Speaker 3: Because we're commented the no but you asked about the
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Speaker 3: listing of the organization. I just didn't understand that question.
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Speaker 2: What determined the terrors?
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Speaker 4: Well?
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Speaker 3: I had presumed up until this point at least that
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Speaker 3: the ABC supported the government's laws, and the government has
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Speaker 3: passed laws supported on a bipartisan basis, but not by
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Speaker 3: the it seems in relation to the prescribing or the
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Speaker 3: listing of a terrorist organization HEZBLA under Australian law is
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Speaker 3: a listed terrorist organization. Now if the ABC doesn't support that,
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Speaker 3: they should be very clear about it, because I think
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Speaker 3: that's quite a departure. But you asked me why why
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Speaker 3: that why our country has listed hes blah. They're a
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Speaker 3: terrorist organization that they organized terrorist attacks. And if that
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Speaker 3: is not clear to the ABC, then I think the
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Speaker 3: ABC is in greater trouble. And even I first imagined.
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Speaker 2: Now that's your ABC. It runs doctored audio that smears
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Speaker 2: a former Commando soldier and now it's asking why a
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Speaker 2: listed terrorist organization listed as such around the world deserves
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Speaker 2: condemnation in Australia. Pay per view enough enough, end all
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Speaker 2: the government funding for the ABC. If you want it,
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Speaker 2: pay for it. Otherwise nothing's ever going to change. And
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Speaker 2: more and more, as we can all see, it's becoming
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Speaker 2: the broadcast mouthpiece of Australia's enemies. That's it for me,
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Speaker 2: with the ABC going, if you want it, pay for it,
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Speaker 2: no more billions from taxpayers. That's got a camn now
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Speaker 2: for the headline skydis political reporter Cam Reddin.
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Speaker 5: Good evening police can see waving a hez BLA flag
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Speaker 5: is not enough to breach the government's hate symbol laws.
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Speaker 6: So it's not just mere waving a flag. We need
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Speaker 6: to look at what were they saying with.
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Speaker 5: A chanting flags bearing the hez bla symbol flew at
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Speaker 5: a Melbourne protest, even appearing on a child's T shirt
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Speaker 5: in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: It's completely unacceptable. Should it be legal to hold a
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Speaker 2: terror symbol?
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Speaker 3: Of course it should.
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Speaker 5: The Opposition is willing to recall Parliament early if laws
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Speaker 5: need to be strengthened or loopholes closed.
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Speaker 4: Any use of terror symbols will be investigated by the
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Speaker 4: security agencies.
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Speaker 5: If the FEDS won't fix the then New South Wales should.
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Speaker 5: Katar Airways will purchase a twenty five percent stake in
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Speaker 5: virgin Australia unless the Treasurer blocks its move.
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Speaker 7: We know that in order to compete domestically we must
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Speaker 7: have the world's best international network.
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Speaker 5: The deal would require approval from Jim Charmers and the
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Speaker 5: Foreign Investment Review Board.
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Speaker 8: We want to see a strong and competitive airline industry.
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Speaker 9: We have some processes to go.
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Speaker 1: Through now when it comes to this.
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Speaker 5: As part of the proposal, virgin Wood launch new flights
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Speaker 5: from major cities to the Qatari capital of Doha.
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Speaker 10: Qatar Airlines has a catastrophic human rights record. This is
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Speaker 10: an airline that has sacked women because they are pregnant.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Raddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right since those ugly scenes on the streets of city
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Speaker 2: in Alvet over the weekend where we saw of course
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Speaker 2: has black flags on the street and a number of
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Speaker 2: protesters holding portraits of the slain terror leader has there's
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Speaker 2: been growing criticism of authorities and labor for a lack
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Speaker 2: of action. For more on this now and other headlines,
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by our Sky News political editor Andrew Clanell.
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Speaker 2: Andrew plenty of debate today about the slow response with
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister to call out a Hesbella by name.
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Speaker 2: A slow response to from authorities is the claim OSCO
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Speaker 2: and is This morning Peter Dutton made very pointed comments
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Speaker 2: about the PM's lack of leadership. Have a listen.
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Speaker 3: It's unacceptable that the government isn't demonstrating the leadership that
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Speaker 3: Australian needs at the moment. And if it continues to compound,
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Speaker 3: if these people know no boundaries, then it will end
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Speaker 3: in tragedy in our country. And that's something that the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister really should be very cognizant of.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 2: Give me your read of the politics here, Andrew Well, I.
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Speaker 1: Think the Australians Front page was very interesting today. You
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Speaker 1: had a splash saying accusations of week leadership from Peter
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Speaker 1: Dutton on one side of the front page, and on
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Speaker 1: the other side you had Muslim groups in Western Sydney,
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Speaker 1: in the heartland where so many of their ministers like
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke and Ed Hughesick and Jason Clair have seats
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Speaker 1: being very critical of Labor for being too pro Israel.
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Speaker 1: So you see the wedge essentially that Labor feels and
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Speaker 1: that's governing part of their response. But I think also
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Speaker 1: governing part of it is that Anthony Albanesi and Penny
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Speaker 1: Wong's view is Benjamin Etna who risks the broader regional
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Speaker 1: conflict and he's gone too far. So a very different
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Speaker 1: view from Peter Dutton. And it's unusual to see this
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Speaker 1: amount of difference on foreign policy leading to an election.
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Speaker 1: It's going to throw up a number of very interesting results.
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton will seek to broaden the issue to a
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Speaker 1: lack of leadership and trying to avoid tough issues. That's
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Speaker 1: how he's trying to paint Anthony Albanesi for an organization
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Speaker 1: like the Greens, it means they'll get a vote in
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Speaker 1: outer suburban areas where previously really they've only had a
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Speaker 1: chance in a suburban areas. So it really does shape
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Speaker 1: as an interesting context going forward. But what labor has
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Speaker 1: to hope for if they're slow off the blocks again
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Speaker 1: here is there isn't more discord in the community. There
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Speaker 1: isn't something that turns violent, because then Australians will look
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Speaker 1: at the government and say, hey, you've been too weak
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Speaker 1: in clamping down on this. And look, it's interesting that
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Speaker 1: I raised this political figure now, Bob Carr, because he's
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Speaker 1: become so pro Palestinian later in life in politics. But
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Speaker 1: I do remember when he was a labor premier and
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't stand for this sort of law and order concerns.
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Speaker 1: He'd get right on top of it, right on top
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Speaker 1: of the media cycle. And I think they're a bit
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Speaker 1: sluggish federal Labor on this. They're just allowing things to
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Speaker 1: go Peter Dutton's way, if you like, for him to
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Speaker 1: get the advantage on this issue. And it's the words
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Speaker 1: of Albanesi. Then as you say, Tony Burke got on
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Speaker 1: the front foot of bed. He said, I'll cancel visas.
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Speaker 1: Someone in government actually said to me today, well, they're
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Speaker 1: probably all Australians anyway, or permanent residents. But Anthony Albanese
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Speaker 1: he hasn't been calling out haz Bilara enough strong enough
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Speaker 1: with his words in the condemnation of that, and that's
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Speaker 1: what you're looking for, Peter.
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Speaker 2: I think the challenge for the Prime Minister is he's
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Speaker 2: trying to protect only a handful of seats, let's say
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Speaker 2: four or five that are already in Labour's column. That
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Speaker 2: will be a battle royal for Dutton to ever get.
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Speaker 2: Even if he was to get a massive landslide, they're
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Speaker 2: not going to move to his column. So he's trying
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Speaker 2: to be patched protected. They're the Prime minister, but he's
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Speaker 2: putting it risk. And you make this point of I
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Speaker 2: guess Middle Australia people who are looking at those protests,
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Speaker 2: even if they are as we think, we all are
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Speaker 2: concerned about the loss of civilian life on either side
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Speaker 2: of this conflict, looking at it thinking well, hang on here,
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Speaker 2: we don't want this stuff in Australia. Feel like it's
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Speaker 2: been important here over the last twelve months. We feel
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Speaker 2: concerned about the visas and the lack of checks, and
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Speaker 2: it's just it's aggregating against labor in an area of
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Speaker 2: natural security where look, let's be honest, they've spent years
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Speaker 2: demonizing dut Dutton as being a tough bloke. This is
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Speaker 2: playing to his strengths.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's building a bit, but it will need to
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Speaker 1: trigger to affect him electorally, such as violence, older thought
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Speaker 1: and let's all pray that doesn't happen. Gossare living still
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Speaker 1: the number one issue and the government's behind on it
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Speaker 1: at the moment.
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Speaker 9: I agreed.
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Speaker 2: I agree with that. I agree with that. Hey, what
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Speaker 2: did you make of the ABC and that question regarding
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Speaker 2: the listing of Hesbalah and a pretty pointed response. You
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Speaker 2: don't often see a party leader take on a journalist
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Speaker 2: like that, but he certainly did. Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 1: Oh, he said his moments with the AVC. Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 1: He took on Sarah Ferguson, didn't he. So he's used
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Speaker 1: to doing it. He does it a bit. He's taken
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Speaker 1: on David Crowell. I can go on, but look for
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Speaker 1: the benefit of the AVC reporter, I've actually gone to
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Speaker 1: the Australian national security website Peter and I've found there
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Speaker 1: are twenty two organizations which are listed as terrorist organizations,
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Speaker 1: and they even include a number of terrorist acts and
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Speaker 1: reasons why Hezbala is listed, including in January twenty twenty,
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Speaker 1: you might record Iranian missile attack on two Iraqi bases
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Speaker 1: housing US troops na Israel a publicly threatened further attacks
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Speaker 1: on US military interests. In September twenty nineteen, an individual
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Speaker 1: in the US was indicted for undertaking terrorist activities on
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Speaker 1: behalf of the organization, including surveillance of potential targets across
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Speaker 1: the US and in the mid nineties and probably at
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Speaker 1: least until May twenty twenty one, his Bala, through its
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Speaker 1: military wingers, provided support to Palestinian extremist groups who are
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Speaker 1: listed as terrorist organizations in Australia under the Criminal Code.
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Speaker 1: There's several more examples there. It would have done a
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Speaker 1: simple Google search for that reporter to come into possession
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Speaker 1: of that information, and I don't know whether it was
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Speaker 1: her own question, if it was fed to her from
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Speaker 1: someone else. I'd actually like to know if someone in
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Speaker 1: the ABC has put a young reporter in that position
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Speaker 1: of giving them a question like that. But I do
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Speaker 1: wonder what the next question is, is it why is
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Speaker 1: Al Kaider listed as a terrorist organization?
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Speaker 11: Perhaps?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I want to make that point a
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Speaker 2: bit later on in the show. I mean, we didn't
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Speaker 2: have this debate, the eulogizing that's gone on in mosques
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Speaker 2: in Sydney in the last couple of days in relation
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Speaker 2: to the assassination in Israela. We weren't out there trying
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Speaker 2: to eulogize Asama bin Laden. I mean, that's what fifteen
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Speaker 2: years ago as a nation, and we still firm against
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Speaker 2: Al Qaeder, but we have crossed a rubicon, I fear
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Speaker 2: over the last twelve months, and I think that's the
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Speaker 2: concern at the heart of ordinary, everyday Australians when they
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Speaker 2: watch these protests. I want to pick up something you
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Speaker 2: said before about labor and its strategic media play, the
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Speaker 2: way that these issues get ahead of them. Now there's
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Speaker 2: a much bigger megaphone, as you know, for government than opposition.
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Speaker 2: But it looks like the government has lost control of
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Speaker 2: what's coming either out of its machine or things happen
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Speaker 2: inadvertently like negative gearing. They're not managing it out of
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Speaker 2: the headlines fast enough that we had the PM and
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Speaker 2: the Treasurer at odds. Last week we had the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister saying it did not come from him, it did
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Speaker 2: not come from the Treasurer. By Friday, the Treasurer was
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Speaker 2: in Beijing having to admit that actually he personally had
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Speaker 2: sought the modeling in relation to negative gearing. Why is this?
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Speaker 2: Why are they at sea on managing the media cycle?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the Treasurer is even denying. He actually
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Speaker 1: said that, although he didn't deny it, and we both
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Speaker 1: know that he did order the advice because otherwise he'd
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Speaker 1: simply deny it. Peter, So leaving that to one side,
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Speaker 1: I don't think that Jim Chalmers has been terribly helpful
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Speaker 1: to Anthony Albanezi on this issue. I think he's long
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Speaker 1: held of you that they should affect change on this issue,
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Speaker 1: and I think he could have been firmer earlier. But
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Speaker 1: I also think the PM could have been firmer last
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Speaker 1: Wednesday earlier. And I wonder if he was trying to
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Speaker 1: get hold of charmers and see what the go was.
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Speaker 1: But again it looks like you're not in control. Au
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Speaker 1: So Look, it was a cabinet minister who said to me, really,
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Speaker 1: your Prime ministership is influenced by how you respond to events.
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Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. You can have the best
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Speaker 1: plans in the world, the best policy plans in the world,
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Speaker 1: but if you can't respond nimbly and have great political
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Speaker 1: instinct for events, you can end up in all manner
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Speaker 1: of trouble. And one of the people I covered who
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Speaker 1: was really good at that and he didn't need staff
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Speaker 1: advising him to do it whatever he was doing, because
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Speaker 1: it was just in him after so many years really
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Speaker 1: of making mistakes. Really it was John Howard. You know,
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Speaker 1: he didn't have a good time as Treasurer, he didn't
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Speaker 1: have a good time as opposition later, but instinctively he'd
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Speaker 1: make he had a sense of what Australians wanted and
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Speaker 1: he'd make the right call in terms of his response
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Speaker 1: to a lot of issues. So you know, early in
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Speaker 1: the peace people in Labour side said, oh Albaneze he
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Speaker 1: could be a left wing Howard in terms of his
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Speaker 1: experience and his ability ability then to cope with issues.
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Speaker 1: But it's not proving to be the case. And you
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Speaker 1: know what it's like with these guys, Peter. Sometimes you know,
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Speaker 1: a few bad polls, a few stumbles, they lose confidence.
21:33
Speaker 1: I mean Anthony Albineze, he's not a person who does
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Speaker 1: anything other than exue confidence. But deep down, the more
21:39
Speaker 1: you stumble, the more you tend to stumble. And somehow
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Speaker 1: they've got.
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Speaker 9: To arrest that.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry I keep saying this to you every week.
21:47
Speaker 1: But essentially they need a bit of a narrative, a
21:50
Speaker 1: decent policy. Maybe charmers were looking for that negative gearing.
21:53
Speaker 1: I think it's the wrong one, but they need something
21:55
Speaker 1: in there. I know they're developing ideas which they can
21:58
Speaker 1: grab hold of and run with. And if they don't
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Speaker 1: get that, they don't get a rate cut, Well beat
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Speaker 1: it up. And here's a solid chance, isn't he.
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Speaker 2: Hey, just quickly they dissolved the queen's own parliament. Today.
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Speaker 2: It's the elections on we'll watch it closely, of course,
22:14
Speaker 2: you and I'll share the desk on election night. The
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Speaker 2: polls are pretty much all one way towards the LNP.
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Speaker 2: But I know you like to call the election result early.
22:24
Speaker 2: You're willing to call it tonight now for David christa fully.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, David Christoph Foley, you're winning a canter and
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Speaker 1: it's really hard for someone like Stephen Miles. It was
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Speaker 1: good to see him hold the light up for our
22:36
Speaker 1: Queensland reporter on the bus today and show a bit
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Speaker 1: of humor, because there's nothing harder for a leader than
22:41
Speaker 1: going into a contest like that knowing you're done and
22:45
Speaker 1: even as a journalists disappointing. I've covered a couple of
22:48
Speaker 1: those in New South Wales the Great Landslide of twenty eleven,
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Speaker 1: where you know, you really there's no point covering the
22:56
Speaker 1: campaign at the start of the campaign is going to
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Speaker 1: be the same poll numb at the end there's no contest.
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Speaker 1: It's like going and covering the Grand Final in Melbourne
23:06
Speaker 1: after the halfway through the second quarter on Saturday, everyone
23:09
Speaker 1: knows the result, we all go through the motions. Can't
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Speaker 1: wait to see you on election night, Peter, because it
23:14
Speaker 1: will be the first of these I've covered with you. Well,
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Speaker 1: apart from New South Wales since New South Wales in
23:21
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, where there's been a Liberal win.
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Speaker 2: I think it's because the Conservatives are in charge in
23:29
Speaker 2: the LMP up there that might be the difference. Andrew,
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Speaker 2: right now, all right, thank you for your time. We'll
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Speaker 2: see you again next week. Well, let's go down to
23:37
Speaker 2: the Fiddle Court in Melbourne. The latest on that defamation
23:39
Speaker 2: trial involving MOI Redeeming and Liberal leader John Berzuto. Late
23:43
Speaker 2: yesterday the battle Liberal leader was excused after a tough
23:48
Speaker 2: three days under cross examination. Now already the trial is
23:52
Speaker 2: behind schedule, the judge ruling that closing arguments now will
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Speaker 2: be moved until the end of October. Why that matters,
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Speaker 2: I'll explain in just a moment. Joined me out for
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Speaker 2: the latest Victorian political reporter Simon Love. Simon, let's start
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Speaker 2: with a blowout of the court schedule. The end of
24:10
Speaker 2: October is just the final summation of the case. It
24:14
Speaker 2: will be some time before there's any judgment, of course,
24:17
Speaker 2: and that led to news today that even supporters of
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Speaker 2: mister Persuto calling on him to quote do the right
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Speaker 2: thing by the party and resign so that a new
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Speaker 2: leader can be installed. Have a listening.
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Speaker 9: They're going well fantastically.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely do you think John Pascuido's leadership is safe? Do
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Speaker 8: you think your leader's leadership?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Very good.
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Speaker 8: Confident you have the support of colleagues.
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Speaker 5: Yes, all colleagues. I am very sure.
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Speaker 11: I speak to my colleagues regularly and I've got no
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Speaker 11: concerns in that area.
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Speaker 2: Got any concerns, none expressed to me. You'll be there
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Speaker 2: with an excellent yes. And how serious is the talk
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Speaker 2: today of moving aga and the leader.
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Speaker 8: I think John Pursudo has got to take it seriously.
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Speaker 8: I don't think it's organized though, now speaking. I spoke
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Speaker 8: to a lot of MPs this morning, Peter, and there's
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Speaker 8: three schools of thought. One school of thought is he
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Speaker 8: should stand down, and that was obviously canvas in the
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Speaker 8: newspapers this morning. The other school of thought is that
25:18
Speaker 8: there's a view within some of the liberal ranks that
25:23
Speaker 8: there is a bit of panic that they feel John
25:25
Speaker 8: Pursudo might win this court case and that they should
25:29
Speaker 8: move now before he wins and then seizes the momentum
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Speaker 8: and goes forward.
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Speaker 2: That's for the camp that win him out regardless.
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Speaker 9: Sure, yep.
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Speaker 8: The other school of thought is to not do anything
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Speaker 8: until parliament's back, and probably not even until the end
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Speaker 8: of the month.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 8: That was being talked about to me over the weekend,
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Speaker 8: but then, as you mentioned, the court timetable then changed,
25:52
Speaker 8: where we're now going to have these three days after
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Speaker 8: a sitting week of state Parliament, and I think that's
25:58
Speaker 8: going to be things.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it can be sometimes two to three months
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Speaker 2: between closing and arguments.
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Speaker 8: We'll look at the Lemon case ad an actual.
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Speaker 2: Judgment which you may not get a judgment until next year.
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Speaker 2: Can they afford to give labor, you know, four or
26:12
Speaker 2: five months of clean air?
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Speaker 8: Well, think about this month of clean air for instance.
26:17
Speaker 8: One Liberal MP put to me today that he'd heard
26:21
Speaker 8: directly from a pretty high labor source that they were
26:24
Speaker 8: using this month to essentially reset just Center Allen's agenda.
26:29
Speaker 8: That they that they thought the government was essentially using
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Speaker 8: this month while John Bascido is in court and where
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Speaker 8: they're every day covering it to reframe the narrative around
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Speaker 8: Jacinta Allen after the bruising sort of julyne or with
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Speaker 8: sheit you had with CFMU.
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Speaker 2: Scan and bringing out their dead and the other day
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Speaker 2: they announced a one billion dollar blow add and an
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Speaker 2: infrastructure project.
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Speaker 8: Thursday before the Grand Final.
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Speaker 2: They announced that they've got their Dan and your statue underway.
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Speaker 2: Thursday before the ground Final. You couldn't get a liberal
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Speaker 2: out there to complain about that, because they're blokes in court.
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Speaker 8: Well, they had David Southwick finnely enough mobilized very quickly
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Speaker 8: after the Metro one, but not John Purshudo. John Pahudo
27:06
Speaker 8: had to sit there every day. Today was the first
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Speaker 8: day Peter where he actually left the court room while
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Speaker 8: testimony was ongoing. Matt Bark had fluent flowing from the
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Speaker 8: United Kingdom, his former deputy leader, and you could see
27:16
Speaker 8: the allegiances there. He hardly looked at Matt Bark while
27:18
Speaker 8: he was giving evidence for his case. Yet John Pasudo
27:23
Speaker 8: left just before four o'clock today to go and do
27:25
Speaker 8: an interview down the road through w Studios with Jackie
27:27
Speaker 8: Falgate on Drive. Now, whether that was a decision made
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Speaker 8: by John Pursudo to try and change the narrative a
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Speaker 8: little bit after his four days on the standar just
27:36
Speaker 8: to pick you up on what it said before it
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Speaker 8: was for and you know, try and refocus because half
27:42
Speaker 8: of that interview on AW was about the court case,
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Speaker 8: half was about other issues.
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Speaker 2: Well, what I picked up in the Matt Bark evidence today,
27:50
Speaker 2: and it's replicated in comments that Perzuto made, and certainly
27:54
Speaker 2: that seventy minute a secret recording that was played in
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Speaker 2: the court as well, is just how paralyzed the liberals
28:03
Speaker 2: were with any negative comment that came or attack from
28:06
Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews. So Andrews says you're black not white. Well,
28:10
Speaker 2: then they're defending that, and they go to water on that.
28:13
Speaker 2: They're not sure how they'll throw that back. He accuses
28:16
Speaker 2: them of being anti trans. Rather than contest the slur
28:20
Speaker 2: from Andrews, they accept it as a given, they accept
28:23
Speaker 2: that label will run on it. They accept they'll be
28:25
Speaker 2: on the back foot. So they then try and throw
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Speaker 2: out one of their own from the party.
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Speaker 8: Well, you could hear in the audio itself. Audio is
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Speaker 8: so compelling, the one that David Southwick surreptitiously recorded, and
28:36
Speaker 8: Matt Bark even admitted today he didn't know it was
28:38
Speaker 8: being recorded and he was surprised by it. But then
28:40
Speaker 8: he admitted that Ted Balue warned him that things get
28:44
Speaker 8: recorded in the Liberal Party. Of course, that was a
28:46
Speaker 8: reference back to twenty ten with the scandal that engulfed
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Speaker 8: his chief of staff and then also a scandal involving
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Speaker 8: him in a recording with a journalist being later released.
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Speaker 2: You know, the Liberal.
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Speaker 8: Party's got a history here with recording audio, and I
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Speaker 8: think in that audio John Pisudo, you can audibly hear
29:03
Speaker 8: him say we're getting clobbered by Daniel Andrews. So the
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Speaker 8: fear within the liberal ranks about labor was palpable at
29:11
Speaker 8: that time. And I think with what I just told
29:14
Speaker 8: you then anecdotally about what a liberal MP is worried
29:17
Speaker 8: about what the labor government are doing. Now, they are
29:20
Speaker 8: really worried about this at the moment. And I think
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Speaker 8: John Pisudo, while there certainly is an element within the
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Speaker 8: party that may have shifted support his backers, and it
29:31
Speaker 8: might be one vote, you got to remember, I mean
29:33
Speaker 8: that one vote is Matt Bark who's now no longer
29:36
Speaker 8: in the party, So things will change. I think though
29:39
Speaker 8: what you've got to watch, Peter, and you would have
29:41
Speaker 8: your ear to the ground on this too. People have
29:44
Speaker 8: put to me that there's potentially up to seven people
29:47
Speaker 8: that could put their self forward for the leadership. So
29:50
Speaker 8: the issue is not only you know it could be
29:53
Speaker 8: do they move a spill motion in the first party
29:55
Speaker 8: run back on the Tuesday? Who would move the spill
29:58
Speaker 8: motion first? Would that spill motion get up? The view
30:02
Speaker 8: within is that yes it would at this point in time,
30:04
Speaker 8: but is it worth politically doing that? But then who
30:06
Speaker 8: then emerges after said spill motions? Should John pursuit over it.
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Speaker 2: Not just as fractious by the sound of it.
30:12
Speaker 8: Well, I mean I heard on the weekend up to
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Speaker 8: seven people could put their name forward, including former leaders.
30:17
Speaker 2: So part of the reason he stays there at the
30:19
Speaker 2: moment is because they haven't worked out or done the
30:21
Speaker 2: numbers enough to have even two or three names emerges.
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Speaker 8: And some of the contenders are not in the country
30:29
Speaker 8: at the moment as well.
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Speaker 2: Is something to keep look just before we go, anything
30:33
Speaker 2: else that jumped out at you in the last couple.
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Speaker 8: Of days, I think, look Sue Chrisanthrow's cross exam of
30:39
Speaker 8: Matt Bark was just so compelling today. I mean, it
30:41
Speaker 8: was probably the most engaging witness so far. I think
30:43
Speaker 8: tomorrow is the one that viewers should watch. David Southwick.
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Speaker 8: I tried to speak to him this afternoon as he
30:51
Speaker 8: left the court, asked him, why did you record the audio?
30:53
Speaker 8: He said, Nah, it's before the court as generally people do.
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Speaker 2: Well.
30:56
Speaker 8: Tomorrow he's on the stand, he's under oath and he
30:58
Speaker 8: will be asked you can bet your bottom dollar by
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Speaker 8: Sue Chris and through why he recorded that recording.
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Speaker 2: I am pleased to say that when I interviewed John
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Speaker 2: Pizzera that Monday night after the rally. I pushed him
31:09
Speaker 2: pretty hard and where there was this lack of evidence
31:11
Speaker 2: that he claimed in relation to comments he made on
31:13
Speaker 2: Neil Mitchell about where Ademi and Nazis, et cetera. And
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Speaker 2: I said, look, I've looked, I've looked everywhere. The lawyer
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Speaker 2: in me has gone through all the.
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Speaker 8: I played this in the court and I.
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Speaker 2: Can't find where you make that connection. He stood firm
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Speaker 2: here on the interview, but he has admitted in court
31:28
Speaker 2: within a half an hour after that that argument collapsed.
31:31
Speaker 8: So he left this studio at the court heard within
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Speaker 8: twenty minutes later his staff told him that what he'd
31:39
Speaker 8: said about.
31:39
Speaker 2: Breath was right. You were wrong, which quite say credible.
31:42
Speaker 8: Right, he said that you were wrong about something.
31:45
Speaker 2: You can claim that in my life that I didn't
31:49
Speaker 2: have a right smile, So love the key sitting there, not.
31:53
Speaker 8: Quite the core reporter, but the political reporter.
31:56
Speaker 2: All right after the break, some conjecture about the scope
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Speaker 2: of federal police powers to arrest people explaining flags and
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Speaker 2: symbols of terror groups. I'll talk to an expert after
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Speaker 2: the break. Is this a real concern or a figurely
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Speaker 2: for those who want to sit on their hands and
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Speaker 2: vigils with the dead terror leader in Sydney, Vosques. We
32:14
Speaker 2: would never have eulogized as some have bid Laden a
32:17
Speaker 2: few years back. So what's changed in Australia and what
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Speaker 2: can we do about it? Welcome back Stiel the calm.
32:28
Speaker 2: The new government report out of the US that finds
32:30
Speaker 2: nuclear power is key to lower power prices and higher
32:34
Speaker 2: paying jobs. It's a bit of an inconvenient truth for labor,
32:37
Speaker 2: isn't it. But first, let's go to the escalating situation
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East, with Israeli military confirming this morning
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Speaker 2: it's begun carrying out what it's referring to as limited,
32:48
Speaker 2: localized and targeted raids into southern Lebanon. It comes after
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Speaker 2: sustained bobbing of Hezbala targets, with reports of bombing raids
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Speaker 2: in Damascus as US troops mobilize in our anticipation of
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Speaker 2: retaliation from Iran. Joined me now to discuss this and
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Speaker 2: some domestic implications of issues over the last twenty four
33:07
Speaker 2: hours and more. Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, Michael Schuebreach. Michael,
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Speaker 2: let's start overseas we know at least limited raids have begun.
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Speaker 2: The US is urging Israel to avoid escalating things further.
33:22
Speaker 2: What are we going to see in terms of a
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Speaker 2: ground operation here, do you.
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Speaker 4: Think, well, Peter, I don't think the Americans are going
33:28
Speaker 4: to have much luck telling the Israelis not to remove
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Speaker 4: the threat that has Bola poses to Israeli citizens, and
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Speaker 4: to do that, Israeli is going to keep attacking the
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Speaker 4: Hesbola command structure and the individual leaders, as we've seen
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Speaker 4: with the death of Israela and a whole lot of
33:45
Speaker 4: other Asbola commanders. They're going to keep destroying missile on
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Speaker 4: weapons stockpiles, and we've seen that happening in Beirut as
33:54
Speaker 4: well as in southern Lebanon. And now they're using their army,
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Speaker 4: together with their air force, to destroy his Bola facilities
34:02
Speaker 4: in southern Lebanon, tunnels in southern Lebanon, including across the border,
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Speaker 4: and fighters and stockpiles of weapons. So the Israelis are
34:12
Speaker 4: saying they're in intense fighting with his Bola fighters in
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Speaker 4: southern Lebanon, but their goal is to restore security to
34:19
Speaker 4: the Israeli population and let them return to their homes.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Iran and I want to pick up
34:28
Speaker 2: some comments over this afternoon. The Saudi Crown Prince reportedly
34:32
Speaker 2: has said to the US Sectary of State Anthony B.
34:34
Speaker 2: Lincoln that he personally doesn't care about the Palestinian issue.
34:40
Speaker 2: So how much of a wider conflict do you think
34:43
Speaker 2: we're going to see here?
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Speaker 4: Well, Peter, I think the Iranians keep wanting their proxies
34:49
Speaker 4: to do the fighting and dying for them. The Iranian
34:53
Speaker 4: regime knows they're as vulnerable as has Bola turned out
34:57
Speaker 4: to be in the middle of Beirut, in the middle
34:59
Speaker 4: of Tehran, because the Israelis have destroyed military facilities of
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Speaker 4: the Iranians with single missiles and defeated hundreds coming from
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Speaker 4: Iran earlier. And of course they have killed the mass
35:13
Speaker 4: leader right in the middle of Tehran under protection of
35:17
Speaker 4: the Iranian government. So the Iranians know they're very vulnerable
35:21
Speaker 4: to devastating strikes by Israel. Their goal will be to
35:25
Speaker 4: keep having Hisbola and Hamas fight and die on their behalf.
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Speaker 2: Let's go down to the division on Australian streets. We
35:35
Speaker 2: know the AFP is looking at the displays of Hesblah
35:37
Speaker 2: flags at protests over the weekend. As yet, no charges
35:41
Speaker 2: have been laid. A little earlier, my colleague Ris Kenny
35:45
Speaker 2: spoke to the AFP's deputy commissioner and she said this
35:48
Speaker 2: about the threshold in relation to criminality and those Hesbala protests.
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Speaker 6: It's not just mere waiving a flag. We need to
35:57
Speaker 6: look at what were they saying, they chanting, what were
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Speaker 6: they wearing, what was their physical demeanor. We need to
36:05
Speaker 6: be able to prove that a reasonable person would consider
36:09
Speaker 6: that that conduct was inciting or you know, advocating violence
36:14
Speaker 6: or hatred. I am confident that we will have matters
36:17
Speaker 6: to put before the court as a result of our
36:20
Speaker 6: investigations into this recent activity.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm pleased to hear the deputy commissioner say she's
36:26
Speaker 2: confidence she'll have matters to put before the court. But
36:29
Speaker 2: I'm concerned here that the threshold itself is too high.
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Speaker 4: I think you're right to have the Federal Police deputy
36:39
Speaker 4: commissioner sounds so postmodern, you know, she's not quite sure.
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Speaker 4: There's a whole lot of context, whole lot of interpretation.
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Speaker 4: We're not talking about people wearing his ball of flags
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Speaker 4: like some Andy Warhol t shirt or high art display
36:53
Speaker 4: in Paddington We're talking about people mourning the death of
36:57
Speaker 4: an evil terrorist leader who's life life consisted of trying
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Speaker 4: to kill people through terrorism, and he succeeded many deaths
37:07
Speaker 4: at his feet. So I think we're getting far too
37:11
Speaker 4: postmodern here. Advocating or supporting as Bolla and mourning the
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Speaker 4: leader seems to me to be encouraging and celebrating terrorism
37:22
Speaker 4: and that is an offense.
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Speaker 2: And how does it differ to legislation that the Attorney
37:29
Speaker 2: General Mark Dravis brought in and not so long ago
37:31
Speaker 2: in relation to Nazi symbols, because I thought they had
37:35
Speaker 2: a low bar. You know, you have those symbols, you
37:38
Speaker 2: do a Nazi salute, it's pretty cut and dry. But
37:41
Speaker 2: seem to be equivocating with very modern, very real terror
37:46
Speaker 2: organizations that are listed as prohibited or prescribe organizations in Australia.
37:52
Speaker 2: Is there a difference? I picked that up or am
37:54
Speaker 2: I wrong?
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Speaker 4: Well, we're hearing that the officials think there's a difference.
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Speaker 4: Legislation talks about symbols of hate, including those of listed
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Speaker 4: terrorist organizations, So it's the same test. The Deputy commissioners
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Speaker 4: right that there has to be some reasonable grounds for
38:13
Speaker 4: saying it's advocating or supporting terrorism. But what else is
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Speaker 4: mourning the death of the Hezbola terrorist leader about?
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Speaker 2: What about these vigils? Three Sydney mosques have held or
38:28
Speaker 2: a whole in vigils for the Hesbala leader, the whole
38:32
Speaker 2: Huge crowds are spilling out in the street. One mosque there,
38:35
Speaker 2: the Al Ramen mosque, and kings grow last night. I
38:37
Speaker 2: think we might have some footage to put up there.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we surely can't have vigils like this, We
38:43
Speaker 2: can't have certainly anymore. What can be done here?
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Speaker 4: Michael Well, I don't understand how leaders in these communities
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Speaker 4: can be giving speeches about the timeless legacy that terrorist
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Speaker 4: leader in NAZRAELA has left, and how he's no ordinary jahadi,
39:04
Speaker 4: and how he's been a helper of the oppressed, and
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Speaker 4: how that cannot be seen as celebrating and encouraging terrorism,
39:12
Speaker 4: which again is a criminal offense in Australia. So free
39:17
Speaker 4: speech does not include celebrating the murderous, destructive acts of
39:23
Speaker 4: a global terrorist leader and his organization. If that isn't
39:28
Speaker 4: a criminal offense, I wonder what is.
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Speaker 2: Michael Jerrich, thank you. Right after the breaking We're going
39:36
Speaker 2: to get into that nuclear report that debunks so many
39:39
Speaker 2: of Labour's arguments as to why nuclear power won't work
39:43
Speaker 2: they say for Australia. Last a bit later on more
39:45
Speaker 2: painful labor seats with large Muslim populations are demanding a
39:49
Speaker 2: more sympathetic response to their concerns. They want the government
39:53
Speaker 2: to actually get tougher on Israel. Welcome back to the car.
40:02
Speaker 2: More links between hummus and the controversial un Aid agency
40:06
Speaker 2: UNRA and why Australia must call time on funding UNRA. First,
40:11
Speaker 2: let's return to that bombshell report I flagged at the
40:14
Speaker 2: top of my show where I took you through analysis
40:16
Speaker 2: released overnight by the US government. It puts to Brett
40:19
Speaker 2: bad so many of the arguments from Chris Bowen and
40:23
Speaker 2: those two from the CSIRO as to why nuclear power
40:26
Speaker 2: they say won't work in Australia. Joined me now to
40:29
Speaker 2: dig into some of the detail. Sky and his contributor
40:31
Speaker 2: Chris Yuelman. Well, this is really interesting, Chris. So the
40:34
Speaker 2: cost of energy with renewables and storage, that's upwards of
40:39
Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty dollars per mega what hour.
40:41
Speaker 2: But if you have all of that plus nuclear that
40:45
Speaker 2: upper limit is ninety four dollars a mega what hours,
40:48
Speaker 2: so about thirty seven percent cheaper renewables with nuclear than
40:54
Speaker 2: without nuclear. And this supports the coalition's case, doesn't it,
40:57
Speaker 2: because they're talking about a mix not just on its own,
41:01
Speaker 2: but nuclear power with renewables.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Peter, I just came from the United States working
41:07
Speaker 12: on this documentary about the energy transition, and the one
41:09
Speaker 12: thing that everyone talks about is optionality. And I'll draw
41:12
Speaker 12: your attention to a few more things that are happening
41:14
Speaker 12: in the United States and around the world which show
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Speaker 12: on the ground in the real world what's happening with
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Speaker 12: nuclear I was in California.
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Speaker 9: California is very much.
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Speaker 12: Like Australia, is trying to go very hard on solar
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Speaker 12: and on wind, has driven fossil fuel out of its
41:27
Speaker 12: grid as much as possibly can. But they are keeping
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Speaker 12: Diablo Canyon open. That was a big decision for Governor
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Speaker 12: Usen because they had committed to close it because, as
41:36
Speaker 12: I was told by the system operator there, they simply
41:38
Speaker 12: do not have the generation to cover losing that facility.
41:42
Speaker 12: If you go to the state of Texas, they have
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Speaker 12: electricity at fourteen cents. They meg what a killer, What
41:47
Speaker 12: hour in California, it's thirty four cents to killer what
41:50
Speaker 12: hour in Atlanta? Say in Texas they have nuclear energy,
41:54
Speaker 12: they have coal, they have gas, they have a mix,
41:57
Speaker 12: they have more wind and solar installed on that grid
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Speaker 12: is in California. I went to Atlanta and saw Plant Vogel,
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Speaker 12: which has just been opened by the US Treasury by
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Speaker 12: the US Energy Secretary who was a Biden appointee.
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Speaker 9: What did she say about the two last plants there?
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Speaker 9: The two last.
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Speaker 12: Units, two down, one hundred and ninety eight to go.
42:15
Speaker 12: This week, on the sidelines of Climate Week in New York,
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Speaker 12: the world's megabanks met and what were they talking about?
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Speaker 12: The tripling of nuclear energy around the world. Australia is
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Speaker 12: completely out of step with what's happening in the rest
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Speaker 12: of the world, and the rest of the world has
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Speaker 12: woken up to the fact that net zero will never
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Speaker 12: add up without nuclear energy, and it probably won't.
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Speaker 9: Add up with it.
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that banks have finally come in a
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Speaker 2: sort of consolidated block to support nuclear power as they have,
42:47
Speaker 2: because yes, it is at the outset expensive, but its
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Speaker 2: rate of return relatively swift, and the lifetime of a
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Speaker 2: nuclear plant is eighty years, so once you've paid it off,
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Speaker 2: it's just throwing money all the way through to the
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Speaker 2: end of its life eighty years as opposed to twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty five on wind and soul, and then we've got
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Speaker 2: all of the residual steel and spent PV left behind.
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Speaker 2: It's certainly not environmentally sound. Peter Dutton's been saying, look,
43:20
Speaker 2: there will be an upfront cost, it'll be a big
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Speaker 2: upfront cost. But what concerns me in the CSRO modeling
43:28
Speaker 2: is they're amortizing the cost of the acquisition the nuclear
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Speaker 2: plant over thirty years because that suits the argument of
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Speaker 2: the government, but not over eighty years, which is the
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Speaker 2: true life of a nuclear power plant. So this is
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Speaker 2: where the detail just doesn't stack up. Where were comparing
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Speaker 2: apples and oranges, Chris.
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Speaker 12: Oh, I think it's worse than that, Peter, on a
43:52
Speaker 12: number of levels. Apples and oranges, yes, but in fact
43:54
Speaker 12: we're comparing junk food with nutritious food.
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Speaker 9: What a nuclear power plant will deliver you.
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Speaker 12: Is a capacity factor that it's availabibility of electricity of
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Speaker 12: well over ninety percent, approaching ninety five percent for ninety
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Speaker 12: years of its life, as opposed to something which delivers
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Speaker 12: energy in the case of WIN forty percent of the time,
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Speaker 12: in case of SOL at thirty percent of time at
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Speaker 12: times which you can't predict.
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Speaker 9: So what you have to do in order to build
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Speaker 9: that system that Chris.
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Speaker 12: Bowen is after is after is to massively overbuild it,
44:24
Speaker 12: to spread it to the four corners of the continent,
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Speaker 12: to connect it with ten thousand kilometers of additional transmission lines,
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Speaker 12: all of which gets written into your bill. And then
44:32
Speaker 12: it needs a life support system because it can't exist
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Speaker 12: on its own.
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Speaker 9: So what have we got. We've got to have storage,
44:37
Speaker 9: we've got to have batteries, we've got to have gas.
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Speaker 12: Now, fifteen gigawats of gas is written into the system.
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Speaker 12: But guess what, Peter, how much storage and backup do
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Speaker 12: you think you need for a system that's got eighty
44:47
Speaker 12: two percent of renewables in it. Is it ten percent
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Speaker 12: of storage and gas? Is it twenty percent? Is it
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Speaker 12: thirty percent?
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Speaker 9: No, what's happened over seas and what will happen here?
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Speaker 12: It is one hundred percent of that energy has to
44:59
Speaker 12: be for the days when none of it turns up
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Speaker 12: at all.
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Speaker 9: That is a ridiculous system to build.
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Speaker 2: You know wrong, Chris, I can't wait for this documentary.
45:11
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. All right, after the braid,
45:13
Speaker 2: we're going to get into some international issues, but we'll
45:16
Speaker 2: also look domestically too. Wislim voters who say the Albanezy
45:19
Speaker 2: government isn't tough enough on Israel, we'll give them their
45:22
Speaker 2: electoral clout. What more will they ever do and say
45:26
Speaker 2: to buy their vote? Class the further rise of right
45:28
Speaker 2: wing parties across Europe, a big win in the last
45:31
Speaker 2: day or so in Austria case in points. So what's
45:34
Speaker 2: driving it and what's now being the reaction of the left.
45:43
Speaker 2: All right, let's get straight into it. My international panel
45:45
Speaker 2: joining me now Sky and who's contributed Kosher Gada, Past
45:48
Speaker 2: chair of the Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby.
45:52
Speaker 2: Let's stay domestically, but with the Middle Eastern lens for
45:56
Speaker 2: a moment. The secretary of Australia's largest Lebanies Wuslim organization
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Speaker 2: and says there is a groundswell of Muslim voters moving
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Speaker 2: away from Labor over its response to the conflict in
46:06
Speaker 2: the Middle East. Jamal Kir has claimed Pennywong's criticism of
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Speaker 2: Hezebala flags at the weekend following the assassination of their
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Speaker 2: leader was an example of the government deflecting from events
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Speaker 2: in Lebanon. According to mister Kier, it says a lot
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Speaker 2: that they're concerned about a flag that they are about
46:24
Speaker 2: saving lives and getting fifteen thousand Australians out of Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: We'll tell you what, Michael, this concerns me. How much
46:31
Speaker 2: will your old party compensate here for this criticism, given
46:35
Speaker 2: they're already panicked about losing votes in Western Sydney and
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Speaker 2: Melbourne amongst this cohort of voters.
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Speaker 11: I think they're over compensating. I don't think the so
46:45
Speaker 11: called Muslim vote will get the huge ground swell and
46:48
Speaker 11: wind seats like it did in Britain. Adults, Australian governments
46:52
Speaker 11: base our foreign policy on events on the ground, like
46:55
Speaker 11: nine thousand missiles over eleven months on Israel, rather than
47:00
Speaker 11: on the suburbs of Western Sydney and potential votes there.
47:04
Speaker 11: So mistake, it's being over generalized and her audience is
47:14
Speaker 11: much more the socialist left of the party in the
47:16
Speaker 11: caucus and the Bob Carr group in Sydney.
47:20
Speaker 2: Just a quick comment, Coach I want to get onto
47:22
Speaker 2: other things, but yet another link between HUMMAS and UNRA.
47:26
Speaker 2: The UN relief agency principal of a secondary school run
47:30
Speaker 2: by UNRA was a senior HUMMAS official killed on the weekend.
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Speaker 7: Yes, I think this is another indicatement of UNRA that
47:40
Speaker 7: has been mired in controversies ever since. The spotlight has
47:43
Speaker 7: been shining more on them right now with how they're
47:45
Speaker 7: allocating funds and different projects they're pushing. It's an indictment
47:48
Speaker 7: of the Albanesi government that doubled Australian taxpayer dollars going
47:51
Speaker 7: to UNREBA soon after they took office. And I think
47:54
Speaker 7: at a larger point, it shines the light on this
47:57
Speaker 7: concept of actually maybe cutting back a lot of our
47:59
Speaker 7: fun and foreign ad that goes to all sorts of organizations,
48:02
Speaker 7: including the UN that we have little to know over
48:04
Speaker 7: sage over. Especially at a time on the cost of
48:06
Speaker 7: living crisis is so tough at home, it might be
48:09
Speaker 7: a good time to pull back that we don't have
48:11
Speaker 7: to litigate individual agencies and just you know, take a
48:14
Speaker 7: clean break from it for a while and let the
48:16
Speaker 7: dust settle a little bit. Because these agencies are very problematic.
48:21
Speaker 2: Just a quick comment Michael on Austria latest European country
48:24
Speaker 2: to shift to the right, the Freedom Party winning. They
48:28
Speaker 2: say it's a sign that voters are fed up with
48:30
Speaker 2: the status quo. I think heavy here as in issues
48:32
Speaker 2: obviously got to be immigration, but it's come after similar
48:36
Speaker 2: scenes in Spain, we've seen obviously in France. And what
48:40
Speaker 2: worries me here with this mob in Austria is I'm
48:43
Speaker 2: not going to say they're pro Putin, but they're certainly
48:46
Speaker 2: not going to be tough on Russia. And that's a
48:50
Speaker 2: real concern given where they are geographically and Ukraine.
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Speaker 11: All of these parties writing off the anti immigration sentiment,
48:59
Speaker 11: the center right and center left have to address those
49:01
Speaker 11: issues like we did in Australia years ago. If they're
49:05
Speaker 11: going to douse this down and you're dead right, Peter
49:09
Speaker 11: Putin has actually funded Mariella Penn's party. He's got support
49:14
Speaker 11: from this party in Austria, and his favorite politician is
49:18
Speaker 11: the Hungarian Prime minister, mister Auburn. But people who are
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Speaker 11: anti Putin and critical of Russia, like Missus Maloney who's
49:28
Speaker 11: in the center right, very different from these kinds of
49:32
Speaker 11: characters in Austria, Hungary and.
49:35
Speaker 2: France just quickly if we can coach you tomorrow. Obviously
49:38
Speaker 2: we've got the VP debate. It will be interesting. They're
49:42
Speaker 2: a lot smarter than debait we saw with Kamala Harris
49:45
Speaker 2: by both men smarter in the head, at least with her.
49:49
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go down the way of Donald
49:50
Speaker 2: Trump and having a real crack at her. But she
49:53
Speaker 2: went to the border first time in three years. I
49:55
Speaker 2: do not know why he doesn't run her record harder.
50:00
Speaker 2: Thousand murderers are on the streets. Polls are showing its
50:04
Speaker 2: neck and neck. It's really tight. Where do you say
50:07
Speaker 2: things tomorrow?
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Speaker 7: I think tomorrow's debates, like most debates, don't really matter
50:14
Speaker 7: because at this point, Peter, there's just very few undecided
50:16
Speaker 7: voters left with thirty two days left to go, and
50:19
Speaker 7: most many states have already started early voting. I think
50:22
Speaker 7: tomorrow is going to be more of a closing argument.
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Speaker 7: Jade Vance, I think will be a little bit more
50:26
Speaker 7: effective on staying on message and getting into the record
50:29
Speaker 7: to your point, and they'll just be a way for
50:31
Speaker 7: them to punctuate. I think the perceptions that people have
50:33
Speaker 7: already developed about both candidates, and then after the races
50:36
Speaker 7: we've got thirty days left.
50:40
Speaker 2: Donald Trump just pointed the scoreboard. That's all you need
50:42
Speaker 2: to be talking about. Make it personal.
50:44
Speaker 11: Just get back to eleven million immigrants over the border.
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Speaker 11: Where were you, Camela?
50:48
Speaker 2: Eleven million? You're right, Michael Danby, all right, that's it tonight,
50:51
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow night. Here's Andrew