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79: The Secrets to Personal Transformation w/ Elise Micheals · Harder Than Life

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  This episode is sponsored by National Technology Management. Visit TrustNTM.com for more information. I'm Kelly Siegel and this is Harder Than Life, a podcast about self-love, self-awareness, business, and health. We tell outrageous stories and boil everything down to simple, practical advice you can start using today. Let's get living. Let's get living.
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  Welcome to another electrifying episode of The Heart and Life. Today, we're deep diving into the depths of trauma and personal transformation with a force to be reckoned with. She's not just a coach, she's a beacon of hope for men seeking purpose, passion, and healing.
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  With over 700,000 followers and a knack for breaking down complex psychological concepts into bite-sized revelations, she's revolutionizing the way we understand trauma. Get ready to be inspired and challenged as we welcome the powerhouse, the visionary, and the one and only Elise Michaels to the show. Hey, Kelly, thanks so much for having me. I'm super excited to be here. Yeah, you sound really excited. What an intro. What an intro. I mean, I'm just like someone listening to you talk about me, and I'm like, wow.
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  Hey, you did the work, man. You did the work. And I, I am, I, as I told you before we hit record, I am rather excited. We, we have a big, a big following of men. And I believe that as men, and you just put this up in a post, we set the tone and, and, and when I was my journey to being harder than life, I was a pig and I was the guy that needed your coaching. So, um,
• 1:35
  And it started off with looking internal and going. So we're just going to let's just jump right into this. Could you share a bit about your personal journey with trauma and how it led you to become a men's coach focused on healing said trauma? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think we all go through struggles in life. And I had a pretty dysfunctional childhood that I didn't recognize was dysfunctional until I was like 25.
• 1:59
  And that's when I sought therapy and started to recognize that, oh, wow, some of these experiences that I had probably weren't very normal. And they created these behavior patterns within me. And while I really loved counseling and therapy, I felt like I still wasn't solving the problems. And so that's when I myself dove into my own learning on trauma therapy, neuroscience, neuro linguistics programming, like anything I could do to solve my own problems.
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  And once I started to recognize that there was, in fact, a formula to solve trauma, I started posting videos about it on LinkedIn. And men were the only ones who reached out to me. So that's when I started working with men because I just realized I didn't have as much support as women did. And it changed my whole life. You posted yesterday of that you're taking that the comments are crazy, which I am no –
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  Secret that people blow up my comments about everything. So what specifically are you taking on fire for that people don't like, which is just nothing more than the trigger that they need to work on, which is people don't realize. I mean, if you trigger them, those are great customers. But what are you taking on? What are you hearing? What are people saying specifically about your posts?
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  Yeah, so I mean, things are totally different than when I started four years ago. Society is changing rapidly. The way people view themselves and what they deserve is changing rapidly. And I think that we've really become a society that has adopted more of a, everyone should adapt to me and my triggers and my traumas, as opposed to what can I do to work on myself to see how maybe the world sees or performs. And I think it's really handicapped us.
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  So as I've started to become more honest with my posts and just say, hey, we need to take more responsibility for X, Y, Z. And you've seen my post. They're not blaming anybody. But people take personal responsibility as almost like a self-shame. And then they look for the next person to blame, which is me. So the comments have become an entire world of twisting the content and blaming women or blaming me.
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  You know, I've comments that say I've become gross, which is just so weird. You? But yeah. Yeah. I found it very ironic. They're not going...
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  that you started that off with what people deserve. I think, no, I don't think, I know. You don't deserve anything. You earn things in this world. So that's the whole problem in my opinion. Go out and earn what you want. You said deserve, and it's post-pandemic, it's even worse. It's like everybody is entitled to something.
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  And it's a free country, so I can light you up on social media. And it's like, dude, you're just highlighting your childhood trauma. So you brushed right over your childhood trauma. I don't know enough about you. I know enough from the show prep. Somebody's probably watching this and doesn't know who you are at all. People love hearing trauma.
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  the story so can you give us the deep dive of what the trauma was i mean i'm looking at this beautiful successful happy smiling woman but that obviously wasn't the case so would you deep dive would you care to deep dive into what the childhood trauma is was um i can reveal a little bit of it i mean i usually don't go over my story because i don't find it relevant um
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  And once again, trauma is not necessarily based upon an event as much as it's based upon your psychological impact of the event. So different things can be traumatizing for different people. The trauma that I acquired from the childhood, like my dad made some decisions that were not healthy and it broke up our family. I have a few siblings. We're all seven years apart.
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  all different dads, like, see, it already starts off. Like there's not really, there was no stability. My dad was in and out of jail. My mom was also in and out of jail. There was a lot of alcoholism. And the things that impacted me the most, besides just like finding out what, cause I didn't know when I was a child until a little bit later on what actually happened, was there was a lot of lying.
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  a lot of trying to cover things up and complete lack of personal responsibility. Then my dad ended up losing his job. We lost the house. I started working at like 11 and he took the money from me, you know, like and said, I'll pay you back. But like, you know, so like I developed this understanding of what love is and understanding of how
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  men love and understanding even how women love because both my parents were totally emotionally unavailable to support me. Um, so I grew up by myself. So I became this hyper independent, um, happy child. I was like student council president and, you know, on the homecoming court. Um, but I was totally disconnected from my life. Um, the police would show up to my house and they would talk, they would try to get me to control my dad. So like,
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  You know, and even as an adult, when you're when your parents don't take responsibility for their actions, I would like huge lessons I learned. Like one of them was, you know, like my dad taught me how to be a coward. And, you know, he told me to lie to the police and the police caught me in the lie. And that was like a huge moment of shame for me. So when I. Was faced with decisions later on, like in high school and. The choice was like to lie or to tell the truth, I lied.
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  And then my friend told me that she told them the truth. And that moment changed my life forever because her mom told her, you know, whatever you're going to do, make sure you just are honest about it and face the consequences that you face. So there are a lot of lessons that we can learn from this. Obviously, that wasn't like a very good storyline. I told you bits and pieces, but that's just some of the stuff that was going on.
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  That was very important, just so you know. So let me ask – well, first of all, thank you for sharing. I can already see you started grabbing your hair. I could tell it wasn't easy, and it's not easy. It never is. Yeah.
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  But I will tell you my advice. I'm a little bit older than you and I've been through it. The more that you say that and the more you get comfortable with it. And here I am telling you an expert, but I'm just telling you my experience. The more you can name it and talk about it, the more you take away its power and you take back your life. Because most of that stuff...
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  Is not the truth. It's your truth, but it's not the truth. We tell ourselves thoughts are magical lies, but I'm going to dig into this a little deeper. And I want to highlight something you just said, because it just gave me the butterflies. My dad taught me to be a coward.
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  Lying, I say a lot. Lying is a form of cowardice. A lie hurts forever. The truth hurts once. It is all kinds of power saying the truth. The truth is sexy, but it is scary. Having said that, that chaos. Let me guess. Did you start dating guys who are emotionally unavailable?
• 9:39
  No. Really? I didn't. Tell me the story. What happened? I dated men in high school who were very sweet to me. My first boyfriend was for two and a half years, and he treated me very, very well. And I was a fucking asshole. I was the toxic person. This is the thing. And this is stuff I have yet to make content about. But I was so...
• 10:09
  And we're going to have to talk about this later on the podcast, because now I have theories as an adult about like how like the weird dynamics of relationships, because I was like, I didn't treat him well. And he treated me very well. And then the next boyfriend I got, same thing. And.
• 10:31
  Yeah. Later on in life, I was, so after those two, after my high school relationships, I was single and celibate for five years. Like I didn't, I didn't have a boyfriend. I didn't do anything. Yeah. So the next boyfriend that I had at 24, that's when I started partnering with people who were probably not so good for me. So it didn't happen for me until later on in life. Um,
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  And then probably my most recent relationship was the most toxic relationship I've ever been in. And it was weird because it happened for me backwards when I had all these tools. But it was really mind-blowing and eye-opening for me to see the lessons unfold. And I think that they unfold when we're ready for them, too.
• 11:17
  Absolutely. Everything happens when it's supposed to happen when you're ready. Because if I would have tried this stuff at 24, I would have never understood. I had to go through some life experiences. I didn't really unpack my life until a good 40, maybe even 43. So this is why I developed the Heart and Life brand. I want people to realize that as soon as I started doing the work, yes, it sucked. I hated it.
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  But man, once you start getting to the other side and reaping the benefits, it isn't harder than life. It's easier than life. Life becomes infinitely possible. You're 30 years old. You started early. Life, when you continue down this road, life is going to get infinitely better. And I can't wait to see what you're doing at 40 and at 50. Yeah.
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  Because you started early. Everybody in the personal development space says, oh, I don't have any regrets. I don't have regrets. I have regrets I didn't start a little bit sooner, just a little bit. I knew at 30 I needed to do something and yet I waited till 43. I want half of those years back because I want to help more people.
• 12:21
  I could have helped a lot more people. The brand is blowing up. The podcast is blowing up because people are resonating with what we're saying. And I say the vulnerable, tough things that really happen. I mean, you want to talk childhood trauma. I was almost killed several times by my parents. I was drowned by my stepfather. I had to empty a piss jar. I can say it just like that because I've healed it. I've done the violent work it took.
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  So let's dig into that with you because this, most of our listeners right now are men. And we, I can tell you right now, the bitchier that the woman was, the more unavailable she was, that was a challenge for me. And it sounds like you and I would have hit it off back in the day. And then it would have been explosive. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
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  This is like, this is the thing that confuses me. And then because after that, I was like, okay, I'm going to go 50-50. I totally like have respect. They're working. I'm working. And my relationships went fucking downhill. They went downhill. And then so after this most recent relationship, I was like, yo, maybe I fucked up along the way somehow. Like, I don't think this is how it goes. So this is very interesting. I would love to get your perspective on this. Because when I was demanding everything, I fucking got it.
• 13:37
  You know? Well, it's because you know as well as I do. I've had Sabrina Zohar on here. I've had Sephanos Siphanos. I've had Jason who introduced us. And I read. So little known fact. You might not know. The listeners will know this, but you might not know. The reason why the Heart of the Life podcast and brand exists is a love story.
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  I got tired of being a drunken whore and I was attracting drunken whores. Sorry for the ex-girlfriends. I apologize. It is what it is. I just, this is about me, not about you. So having said that, I'll be nicer. I kept attracting emotionally unavailable women. So I looked at me and this is what people don't do, how we start it.
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  What is it about me that was emotionally unavailable? And what did I have to do to become the person I wanted to attract? Set out to do that. And it was several years of introspection, aloneness, and really just facing my childhood trauma that I'd never faced. And I did it through EMDR, hypnotherapy, talk therapy, plant medicine therapy, journaling, podcasts, reading.
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  And eventually I kind of broke it loose and went, ah, I'm on to something here. Then the final thing was I wrote a book all about it. And that took away all the childhood pain. My mom almost killed me when I was nine years old. Like literally almost. If my sister weren't there, I'd be dead. So when you...
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  when your loved ones, you can't trust or you don't feel safe. It creates all kinds of shit. So that's what you have. So what you're doing is going to help a lot of people. And again, this was a long intro, but I have so many men that reach out to me and this is why I drank. So I was a big partier because everybody loved drunk Kelly. He was the life of the party. The women loved him. Um, and I didn't have to feel anything and I would go get me some lease and I would be like,
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  Yes, until the calamity and chaos and all of our childhood trauma would butt heads and inevitably explode. And then I would go back and I would go back and I would go back because I could fix her. If I just loved her more, if I just listened more, it was my fault. No, no, no, no, no. They were broken, bro.
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  You got to move on and you got to raise the bar so you don't attract people like that. So I am open to anything and everything. I have done a lot of work on this. I've done a lot of reading and I can give you male perspective on top of male perspective. And this is the point, guys, that I want you guys to go to EliseMichaels.com and look at her Better Man membership.
• 16:27
  There's a couple of guys in my DMs that I talk to one of them every day who keeps chasing after this woman who wants nothing to do with him and only uses him in a security blanket when she's down and out. And I keep going, dude, love yourself. Dude, love yourself. And it's hard to explain. So having said that,
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  How do you manage to distill complex psychological concepts into easily digestible sound bites? And why is this approach important in reaching out and helping these audience and deep dive into what I just said? Because that's what you're all about. And that's what the people need. That's what everybody's in my DMs need. They need your easily digestible sound bites. So take it away. Yeah. So, I mean, it's important because people need to feel understood before they –
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  feel like they can be helped by someone. If we don't feel like someone gets us, if we don't feel heard, then why would we ever think that they could have the answer? But the more we feel like someone knows us and, and understands a little bit of what we're going through and can kind of explain it, it helps unlock a part of ourselves that trust that, okay, they know the problem. So maybe they know the answer.
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  And when you can start to trust someone, like you said, if we have a foundation of not being able to trust our loved ones, not being able to trust those we've poured into, it's really hard to figure out where to go for the answer. And so having someone open up a little bit of their trust allows them to trust themselves a little bit more, allows them to share their story a little bit more. And then they're open to newer suggestions, newer perspectives, newer ways of doing things.
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  alcohol, drugs, and social media were not the answer. What role does that play in your clients? And how often do you have to just say, no social media, no drinking, no drugs? Well, when clients come to me, they're not necessarily wrapped up in those things. I think if that's the main source of your life, you're in the distraction mode.
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  And when clients come to me, they're in the Hail Mary. They have tried everything. They've done everything. They've gotten to the last point of their distractions. And I'm not a specialist who can coach alcoholics or people who are addicted to drugs. You have to kind of go to facilities for that and therapists for that. A lot of my men do taper on the edge of the alcohol, but mostly workaholism.
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  So like they're not taking a break for themselves. They're not sitting aside to really reflect. And that's always the first thing I tell them is like, we have to take some time for just you to start understanding how you're responding to the environment, how you're processing information, the stuff that hurts, the stuff you're angry about, so that we can actually get to the core of finding answers and that you don't suffer from these things anymore and you don't feel the need to escape from your life.
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  Hmm, that's fire. Need to escape from your life. What would your response be to people? And I'm sure they say this. And so when I really started feeling myself healing and knowing because I was reacting to situations differently, and I was saying no to things I usually say yes to.
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  logical I'd look around and I remember I'd catch myself saying this this is your NLP background and I'm going to tap into is there's nobody healed out here there's so and it is it literally once you really do the work the dating pool becomes very very small what is your answer to that I think that it's
• 20:06
  it's true and then it's also false, right? Because whatever we tell ourselves is what we end up manifesting. Like you said, if you're a drunken whore, you're gonna be drunken whores or whatever the equivalent to the codependency is of that, right? And I love how you said, I would get me some Elise because me and you would not have gotten along because I was also a straight edge, like a strict straight edge. Like I did not drink alcohol. I didn't eat anything with alcohol. And I judged people who drank alcohol until I was 27.
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  So I was like Midwestern, you know, totally strict about it. Now I lost my train of thought. Sorry. Where was the sentence? I would have corrupted you, but not necessarily drinking. No, I couldn't be corrupted. That was the thing is I was so hardcore. I was the one like, this is what I'm saying is like, I was like the complete opposite of,
• 21:02
  of you like we were we have strong personalities we were in opposite realms yeah no I understand we hate each other I'm a chameleon I would have said the challenge would have been great for me I'd have been like sweet she's so cute and and and sensitive and and I gotta crack it and I would have played the image because deep down we're actually a lot alike I saw that you just got back from did you go to Thailand is that where you were at
• 21:27
  Yeah, I was in five countries in Asia. Yeah, I went and did the same tour, but I did the hangover tour. So it was three weeks in several countries. I did the same stuff, but I went there to party. And we did literally the hangover tour before the hangover tour came out. And it was insane. But I'd like to go back. I was watching your social media and living vicariously like,
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  Yeah, I remember being there vaguely. So there's a lot that we have that would be in common. We would have figured that out, had crazy freaking fun, and then killed each other. But if there's a better way, that's why you're on the Heart of Life podcast. And that's what I want people to talk to. So here's a big one from a woman. Women, all men cheat, which a lot do. Why do men cheat? Yeah. Okay. I'm glad you said that because now I remembered what I was going to say before.
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  all women do this, or there's no one healed out there. You have something in your brain called the reticular activation system, and it's what filters information. So it's exactly that example that everybody gives. If you're looking to buy a new Toyota Corolla, suddenly everybody has a Toyota Corolla. Like you just start witnessing it because you're thinking about it more constantly and consistently. If you keep thinking about all men cheat, your brain is going to look for proof that all men cheat, and it's going to start to find all the men that are cheating.
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  or all the people that aren't healed. And that's what you just start to attract in your life. So yes, there's a lot of men that cheat. And yes, there's a lot of women that cheat. But like, there's also plenty of men and women that don't cheat.
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  And what do you wanna surround your life with? Because if you're always affirming something to yourself, it creates a certain personality that you start to have. And if you always think that people aren't healed, people are cheating, no one's doing the work, you're gonna become very bitter and distrustful of people and life is just gonna feel just awful. Like I can't imagine, I've never thought like that. And it's not good.
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  Try to train your brain to think about the person that you are. If you're a person who doesn't cheat, if you're a person who's doing the work, think, I'm just going to meet people who are like me on the same path.
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  The cool thing about the RAS, the reticular activating system, is it can be tricked the other way, too. You could say the world is abundant. The world is amazing. There's amazing. Exactly. Beautiful people. And then all of a sudden, you'll start noticing amazingly healed and normal people. And really, it starts with signaling the universe that you're not going to allow anything else. It's putting a standard and a boundary in place and saying anything below that is just a no. No.
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  It's just a no for me. And that's where it becomes lonely. And most people can't tolerate the loneliness because they'd rather be with someone, the familiar misery, they'd rather be with the familiar misery than alone with themselves, which is the scariest place in the beat. I say misery loves company. I take it a step further and say misery hates being alone. Yes, yes. And it's exactly what you just said. And that's the problem that I face with a lot of men. Like when you brought up my content is,
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  Whenever I say, you know, there are emotionally available women out there who do want to hear your heart, who do want to hold space for you. The comments that I get from so many men are, oh, I tried that once and it totally backfired on me. Or, you know, anytime I try that, the women always leave me. And it's like you don't realize how that's working in your favor.
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  Because chances are you probably partnered with someone who wasn't capable, but that doesn't mean that what you're doing is wrong. You have to be able, like you said, to work through that tough space where at first, okay,
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  The universe says, okay, you want to be this person now? Well, like it needs time to bring you the new people and you have to be strong enough to say the people who are not aligned anymore don't fit in my life. And I'm going to hold out through this limbo period. I'm going to hold out to this period of pain because I know that there's another spot that exists for me where people are accepting and loving and actually want to do the work.
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  Most people don't get there. Like you said, they just blame it on themselves and feel like they're doing something wrong. And then they become bitter about it and keyboard warriors. And that doesn't make sense. I'm going to go a little bit spiritual on you and just say that that's God saying there's still lessons to be learned. There's still more work to be done. And I will tell you when you're going in those relationships, exactly what you said, you either get what you want or you get what you need.
• 25:56
  You get what you want, the person, the relationship, the amazingness, or you get what you need and that they leave because they're not good for you. And either one is a win. And keep going because as long as you're growing, you're going to learn.
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  And wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from making bad decisions. So go do the thing. And the thing that drives me crazy when people say, oh, I did that once. Really? And it didn't work? I went to the gym once and I didn't get any bigger. Damn. Where's that magic pill? Exactly. Yeah. And it's hard. And I don't want to invalidate.
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  how anybody feels right. That's not what the whole point of our conversation is to just like invalidate or make people feel ashamed because they're thinking this it's just to say, this is a normal process of trying a new thing and building a new regime and becoming a new person is there's going to feel like bumps in the road. There's going to feel like failures. There's going to feel like times you're doing it wrong. But at the end, at the end of the day, especially for men,
• 27:06
  focus less on what the world thinks you should be or do and focus more on the type of man that you want to be. So then if a woman doesn't align with you, you're not trying to change yourself just to adapt to her standard. You are saying, okay, am I a man who does this, this, this, and this? Okay, then I feel good about myself. I know I'm in the right track and she just doesn't align with me and you can move on to the next, right?
• 27:31
  You're beautiful. What better man membership. I'm going to talk to you right now. What if I told you?
• 27:38
  that you can create heaven on earth every single day by your thoughts and your, and then hence feel good every single day. I just put a post up once that, that cheap dopamine hit that you want to get by having a one night stand or meeting somebody new or taking a drink or scrolling or swiping right or swiping left. I create that every single day in my life all day. So I have all D all day dopamine hits.
• 28:04
  And it's all through here, all through doing the work. I never met. And we're going to deep dive into Elise's program because I guarantee you the things I've done is what she's teaching you. So.
• 28:16
  Gentlemen that are in the program, kudos. Listen to her. And everybody that is in the heart of life that's listening to this, I want to say a name so bad, but it's inappropriate. Someone's in my DMs, but you know who you are. And I want you to sign up for this program. And I want you to work with her because she's soft and she's sweet.
• 28:34
  and she gets results. So again, Better Man membership, Elise Michaels, that's E-L-I-S-E Michaels.com. And we're going to deep dive into that. Let's talk about first a success story. Can you share any particular impactful or transformative, easy enough for me to say, experiences you've had while coaching men and how it reflects the effectiveness of your program and methods? Oh, yes. And I actually have a YouTube where I have,
• 29:04
  and I'm so grateful for these kinds for doing this. They went over their story with me and shared it. Um, and I actually just got done on a three day intensive with a client, um, where I went to his house and for three days we did this work together. So there's lots of stories, um, like quick, quick wins that I'll tell you. Within the first couple of weeks, um, a lot of men find themselves sleeping better, thinking more clearly, um,
• 29:31
  starting to do things for themselves that they didn't normally do before. They find that like, they don't have to do as much where, you know, a lot of men are focused on the grind and I have to do more and I have to add this task and this reading. And when they come into my coaching and I say, actually, we're going to start doing less and you're going to start seeing more results from your life. Because I noticed a lot of men are outwardly focused and trying to solve the problems externally. Right.
• 30:01
  But once we solve a few things internally, and I'm sure you know this, Kelly, once you solve a few things internally, the outside world starts to change. So they find that their relationships are better. They find that their relationships with their children are better, that they are eating healthier. So those are a lot of holistic ways. But one of the videos on YouTube, just very specifically, his name is Chris, and he was able to get lower on his depression medication.
• 30:31
  all while going through a separation. And like the hardest thing started to happen while we were coaching. And he was feeling better than he's ever felt in his life. You know, when you start being more capable of handling your own emotions and understanding yourself, you start to understand that you can do hard things and it doesn't define you.
• 30:49
  Yeah, you can be defined as being harder than life. I like how you weave that into me. You want a case study on your program, just come to me. I've done it. I've made every freaking mistake known to man, but looked into it. You know, I do hard things daily. That's what I do. You know, I don't do the whole cold shower things because I just frankly just
• 31:10
  Doesn't sound good. I like to relax and the shower relaxes me. So I got to tell you, man, the harder you work and anything work works, the harder you work, the luckier you get. And this whole, how do I achieve balance? The balance is loving yourself.
• 31:27
  So much that you emit this positive energy that people want to be around you, that people want to do business with you, that you're at peace with yourself. I say so many times, I have peace, clarity, and freedom. And none of them are for sale. None of them. And I am the gatekeeper.
• 31:47
  Nobody else. You could call me every name in the book. None of my business what you think about me. I don't even care. The level of peace that I've achieved, it should be, it's scary, but it's also rewarding. So again, man, I'm really proud of Chris. I'm happy for Chris. Now just do a follow-up and watch the amount of money he makes and success that he does. Success isn't just money. We all know that. It's...
• 32:17
  to me, the more peaceful I am, the more money I make all day long. Happiness doesn't make you, or money doesn't make you happy, but happiness will make you money. And the happiness, interchange peace, love yourself, whatever you want to do with that. So that is my, again, this is going to be an infomercial for the Better Man membership. Now, I don't know that I'm a better man, but I'm definitely better than I used to be. Exactly. Well, and that's the point. That's the point. It's like...
• 32:48
  You know, becoming a better man is feeling better so you can do better and be better for yourself, for your family and for your community. And it's not it's not ever an end game. There's no complete definition of the best type of man. It's whatever man you're trying to be and improve on. And I totally forgot about one of my clients, Jerry Sauceda. He has just blown away.
• 33:08
  his life totally through, he went through a divorce. He also went through a divorce when we were coaching. He came from such a place of depression. He was in a job he didn't really like. And he said, you know, because I said, what do you really want with your life? And he said, you know, I like to DJ. I might like to do like a couple here and there. He ended up creating an entirely new business off of DJing. DJs every single weekend in Austin, Texas, has gotten paid to travel all over the United States for it.
• 33:38
  is part of nonprofits now, has started his own mental health group, is on podcasts. He's blown up. He's everywhere. I don't even know why I didn't say him first, but he's everywhere. And he's actually been on my Year of the Man Summit a few times. So he's awesome. Shout out to Jerry. Jerry, Jerry, what a man. I got to tell you what...
• 34:01
  I love hearing that. And it just – there was something I was going to say, but I can't remember. Oh, that positive momentum, that positive snowball is even stronger than the negative one. That negative train that you get on, once you get off of it and get on that positive one, man, it just doesn't stop. I hit a point in my –
• 34:26
  basic revival where I started winning massively. And it was an 18 month run that I was like, I couldn't lose if I tried. And then, and then it kind of dipped. And then now I'm back up doing it again. And I laugh and I just always know that now I know that God is protecting me and everything is for me. And even when things don't go my way, I know they're going from going my way. That's the level of,
• 34:51
  just freaking healed this. It feels good. I'm sorry. I hope you feel it coming through. I'm not trying to brag. I just, I want people to understand that, that if you do the work right, it's the best investment you're ever going to do. It's the best investment. And you do it not only for you, you do it for your family. You do it for the universe. As Eric Thomas says, you owe you and you, and you do, and you're here to be the best version of yourself. So guys, I'm,
• 35:16
  Work with Elise. Just so I know, how much is the monthly membership? It's only $99 a month. Best $99 ever. Best $99. And then do you have one-on-one? You just said you did that one-on-one with a client that you went for three days. Do you do that just for one-offs or something? Those...
• 35:41
  Intensives are specifically for my clients who have already been one-on-one. I'm not opening up one-on-one right now, but that package is $15,000.
• 35:49
  Woo! Still. If you would have told me I could give someone $15,000 in the thralls of my craziness, I've made so much money after I healed. Like $15,000 was nothing. Because I would go drinking with friends and drop that. And miss out on deals. And oh, it's just so peaceful. I can't. I'm just sorry. I'm overflowing. I'm so happy. Why are you apologizing?
• 36:18
  Kelly, this is exactly what people need to hear. I know that like you emphasize the story and stuff, but the reason I don't talk about my stories almost because it's irrelevant, right? The more, I mean, for some people they need to share, but for the most part, when you talk about your story, it's actually re-traumatizing you because your brain can't tell the difference between a memory and the present moment. So for a lot of people, they're just stuck in repetition of their past and repetition of their past. And what they need to be stuck on
• 36:45
  is the momentum of the positivity that they can create and the power that they can create. And so I think that the more you talk about your joy, the more you talk about the things you're manifesting, and we can sit here and share like, holy shit, what about the good things that have been happening? That's really what's inspiring to people because it pulls them forward. It gives them a sense, an idea of what could be available to them if they do the work, like you said.
• 37:09
  Well, you're absolutely right. And I spend the majority of my time. I do keynote speaking. But a lot of people want to know my backstory. And I don't mind saying it. It's healed. But it gets old because it's not. We're talking years ago. This isn't who I am. I'm on my sixth year of this journey. And I don't know who that dude is. I don't know who that dude is from last year. But people want to hear from context. So I'll pick on Lewis Howes.
• 37:37
  Lewis Howell's giving me advice on not drinking. I wouldn't take. He's never had a drink in his life. So you need to understand. I've been there and done that. But hey, by the way, kudos to Lewis Howell. He's winning massively and it's working for him. But he also wouldn't give me drinking advice. People need to realize that I've been through it all. I now have a seven-figure company that I started while I was drinking, while I was manhorned. So everything I do, I speak from experience. Manhorned.
• 38:08
  I love that you say man whoring because a lot of men don't like to say that they're a hoe because they think that only women can be. So it's just it's really funny. Listen, I'll be telling you right now. You can take hoe and then you add a double it, triple it. And that still had no hand on it. Women loved me. So I had this huge hole in my heart. Huge. And no amount of women, two, three, four, five at a time.
• 38:37
  could fill that hole until I filled that hole. And I had to look internal and it turns out everything I needed, I could supply. That's it, man, that's it. So. So now where are you at? Are you in a healthy relationship now?
• 38:57
  Uh, let's put it this way. The universe put me in a situation to meet a healthy person and we are doing the real slow get to know you. I've never done it this way before. It was just a boom, jump in. I met somebody at a speaking event. We talked for three months, text and then met up and it's, it's, it's start. We're taking it slow and it's,
• 39:25
  And I'm talking, this came after two, three years of being alone. I remember going to this event. I was on the phone talking to a friend who's going through the journey or the work too. I said,
• 39:39
  I feel like I've earned. Remember we talked about deserved or I feel like I've earned my person now. Where the hell is it? And I just said, you know what? Who cares? Let's just go through the process. Let's go rock this speaking engagement. I was on my way to a talk, a three podcasts. And what do you know?
• 40:00
  met somebody. We'll see where it goes. Uh, again, I don't put anything on it. I just become, I come as the best version of me and I take care of me every single day and she takes care of her and we're co-creating a life together slowly at the speed that it's supposed to happen. So yeah, sorry. Long, long answer. Um, I love that. I love that because it's a true,
• 40:30
  demonstration of how you're applying the work to your actual life. Like you're doing things completely different. And that's the only way that we get different results is if we do something different. And I got to tell you guys, if you think that there's nobody healed out there, I thought that too, before I met this one and what happens, the reason why you're feeling that is because you're, you're, you're vibrating on a higher energy and you're repelling the people, the people that you used to bring in, you're pushing them away. Yeah.
• 41:00
  It's so good because you don't want them. And so when you're used to saying, well, why didn't that girl look at me? You got to remember me. Let's set a scene. Everywhere I go, I attract people. Women love me. I used to go up. But you can feel my energy when I walk in a room and it's healed energy.
• 41:20
  When I walk in, if you're unhealed, insecure, unsure, still going through it, you're going to run from me. And that's what I want because I'm not in the business of healing people. I'll help people.
• 41:36
  I'll coach people. I'll tell them what they need to do. But I'm not in the people pleasing. I'm not in the, I'm looking for somebody that is a whole person. So when you're not a whole person, I'm going to do it. The energy, the work is going to do its job and push you away from me. That's a good thing.
• 41:53
  I'm not in the project business anymore. I want somebody that has, and guys, to tell you what I did too, and I'll share this, is I wrote daily in my journal what I wanted and what my exceptions were. And I can tell you two things. I wanted someone who was loyal, honest, could communicate, was working on their mind and their body because I knew these are all things that I brought to the table.
• 42:19
  You know, I'm a big guy. I work out every day. It's part of my healing. I need to be with somebody who fitness is important to them. Because if not, here's telling you the work works. If I were to be with somebody who doesn't really care about their body, they're going to feel insecure when you get naked. That's a their issue. That's a them issue, not your issue. So you could sit there and say, oh, baby, I love your body. You look great. You ain't going to fix it until they fix it.
• 42:48
  So this is what the problem with relationships are. We get two incomplete people or one person really incomplete trying to connect with somebody else and they just don't match. Sorry. I'm selling your program for you. It's so good. That's so good. I love that you explained all. I love, love, love that you said though. I wrote these things down because that's what I was bringing to the table. Your work is...
• 43:14
  Is literally your work. You're like, I'm only asking for what I'm going to bring. And it's not this weird dynamic role. I mean, maybe you wrote that in your journal too, but it's like a lot of people are demanding what they don't bring or what they don't want to match. Well, it's a projection projection. So, and on top of that is here's the weirdest thing. Here's the hardest part about what I just said. And I want to highlight this and I'm sure you do is you will meet people that are
• 43:44
  where your old self would have liked and you'll get the butterflies and saying no to that sucks. It's hard, but it's signaling the universe. I would go out cause I don't drink anymore. Um, I still go out, I go to bars, I still have fun. And I would meet an attractive young lady who has had a few drinks. And normally I'd be like, boom.
• 44:11
  This, this is, it's on, let's, it's go time. And even, and they would even say, Hey, well, you want to go, you want to go do something other? No, thank you.
• 44:20
  Because I would see the red flag, which is, for me, it was very easy. If they overdrank or if they had more than just one or two, it was like just a no. You're masking your feelings. You're not dealing with it. I do this thing called, I hit my feelings head on. That ain't going to work for me. No matter if they were throwing themselves at me going, let's go home. I'm going to get naked. I'm going to have sex with you. I'm going to go home.
• 44:45
  I'm good. That was the hardest part about healing, saying no to freaking what we call layups in the business. Having said that, I was a willing participant, but it wasn't until I got over my own bullshit. So how do you navigate and address resistance or skepticism from men who are hesitant to engage in discussions about this trauma?
• 45:13
  Well, I don't address it because you can't force someone to be ready before they're ready. All you can do is just keep showing up and, you know, showing up and winning, right? Like the proof is in the facts, like the proof is in the proof. So the more that we create better men, the more better men that are out there and are starting to say the same thing, that's when it starts really sinking in. It's like, oh, okay, there must be something that I'm...
• 45:41
  not doing eventually it hits people. But you can't use all of your time trying to change someone's mind. Who's not ready yet. That's why we get caught up in relationships that aren't good for us or, you know, so like invest, invest in the people who are aligned and allow that their work to show the other people what they're missing. Choose people who choose you. Yeah, exactly. What happens to people that don't,
• 46:11
  Don't ever become ready or don't ever do the work. I find myself, I call it karma, but I don't know if it is karma. And I just wonder, like, I know I'm living proof that they're not, that they're missing out. Every day I wake up and I have a dopamine all day long.
• 46:30
  They're missing out. And I show that. And that's what I try to show on my brand. I'm not showing off. I couldn't care less. I just show that this is how happy you can be when you live harder than life. And what happens? Have you done any research or looked at it and seen the people that just refuse to do the work and are masking and just avoiding looking at themselves? What inevitably happens? Do they just age out and just settle with somebody? Or what does that look? Or is that why divorce is 70% now?
• 46:59
  They self-destruct. Like, so their life slowly starts to fall apart. Like they're never, you always see these, everybody knows a person like this. They're never happy. They have a negative mindset. They drink too much. They watch too much porn. Not all these things combined, but it's like they're, or they're in a marriage and
• 47:20
  That sucks, but they don't, those are the people who don't get divorced. Those are the people who stay and continue to have a codependent, co-creative, toxic relationship for the rest of their lives because they're too stubborn to face the facts. And you see it, you see it. Some of these people's parents were listening like, yeah, dude, my parents are still together and they hate each other. They're just miserable because they don't want to look at the facts. So like, they're not happy and they just self-destruct, they self-sabotage everything in their lives.
• 47:48
  They don't have friends. They don't have good relationships. It's just. That's why cheating is so prevalent because they think that, oh, I can go get this from somebody else. And the funny thing about it is we – I don't know how we've gone this far without talking about vulnerability. Guys, vulnerability is cool.
• 48:09
  It gets you closer to the right people. So if you were to, it's funny. If you're in a relationship, you should see the conversations I have with the girl that I'm talking to right now. It's, I say exactly what I want. And you know what? She says, I get it. And I like that too. And she's not saying it to make me happy. It's, this is stuff that if we would just talk about it, hey man, I'm weird. I like some kinky shit.
• 48:32
  So do I. You find a person. Instead of going, oh, I can't ever tell her that I like weird, kinky stuff because she'll judge me. And then I'm going to go cheat and go get that weird, kinky stuff from a prostitute. And then I get a divorce. Like, hey, what's the worst thing that's going to happen? She's going to judge you or he's going to judge you and you get a divorce anyways? Better than freaking cheating and getting caught. Because it goes back to that cowardice we've talked about. That's being a coward.
• 48:59
  What's the worst thing that can happen by being honest and communicating vulnerability? I got a little chuckle. You know, a little as crazy as I was, and I don't think I've ever said this to anyone. Maybe I've said it once. It's amazing how many men are addicted to porn. I never knew this until I started this podcast. You know that I hate porn? Hate it. I've never been a porn. I don't.
• 49:25
  I don't know why I felt the need to share that with you. It just seems too fake to me. I can't believe we're 50 minutes into this. And I haven't made it through any of my questions. So I could talk to you forever. We could just wrap back and forth forever because you have a soft –
• 49:46
  sensual feeling about you. As I said, I had Sabrina and No Knock. I love her. I love her directness. But that's the softness. And this is what you... Men, if you're looking to work with somebody, look at that. What style works for you? Direct? Go to Sabrina. Soft? Come to Elise. You want a man? Go to Jason or Stefanos.
• 50:08
  They're all out there, but hire a coach. I have a fitness coach. I have a golf coach. I have a coach for everything because I'm not an expert at everything. So get in her program. And at least at $99, can you sign up anytime and they can leave anytime? At $99, man, go in and check it out. I'm sure that it's good. If you want me to come in and speak and show people what it's all about and do the nasty –
• 50:40
  I'm telling you, you want to laugh? Full disclosure. So when I was in the thralls of it and life was, dude, it was not all rainbows and unicorns. I mean, life threw everything at me. And I looked up at God and I said, I'm the toughest son of a gun. You made me. You know this. What are you doing? Bring it. And he did.
• 51:02
  And there were points where I just curled up in a ball. I'm big, I'm fricking five, nine and 220 pounds of solid muscle, curl up in a ball, crying my eyes out. And it was 44 years of suppressing emotions.
• 51:21
  And I just let it all out. And I was like, all right, let's go. And so it's not pretty, but look at me now. I'm in Florida at my Florida house. Pool out back. Boat out back. It's my second house. You know, life just gets infinitely better and better and better. All right, I got to skip ahead. I want to learn about you. So let's talk about...
• 51:48
  What are you doing? You just traveled the world. You're 30 years old. What are some aspirations for the future of your coaching practice and brand? And how do you plan to continue expanding your impact in the realm of men's mental health and wellbeing? Well, the brand is going more towards the direction of really helping men self reflect and take personal responsibility, expanding the better man membership so that they can be leaders in their community. And, you know, taking this,
• 52:17
  The content off of social media and onto, you know, televised media is my goal for it. Showing the real transformations in a televised way that people can relate to it in that way and learn some things on their own in a much larger capacity.
• 52:37
  I just realized we didn't get your cell phone. So when we stop recording, I want to grab your cell phone. I'm going to send you invite to our heart of the life community. There's a love and relationships part. I want you to get in there and I want, we're going to do a live in there. And I'm going to do your coaching because what you're doing is it's, I wish I would have known you when I needed you.
• 52:57
  Because you're soft and sweet and just keep being you. And I'm rooting for you and anything that you ever need, you have the full backing. So aside from your work as a coach, what are some hobbies or interests that bring you joy and fulfillment? Tell us about you. I mean, I'm just like you, right? Like, you know, two peas in a pod. I love life. I have this quote, every day of my life is the best day of my life.
• 53:25
  Um, I live in Florida. I love the sun. I love fitness. Um, I love making content. Like this isn't just a job for me. Like I love making content and being creative. Um, and yeah, I just got back from my 30th country. So I guess traveling was a big, was a big thing for me. So we will see where that goes. What's your favorite place to visit so far? I have a top three, um, Greece, Turkey, and Israel.
• 53:53
  Those are my favorite countries. I did watch your Israel trip. You got, that was, you have- You were following me when I went to Israel?
• 54:00
  It was like two years ago. I must've, because I saw that. Or no, maybe I was just binging your content and saw it because I just, I don't know. I think Israel's I'm Jewish, so I'm partial, but I just think that it's, it's a little bit about life. Like you got people that, that united, we stand divided, we fall. We, I look at everything as a learning opportunity. Like you were in the state of the union last night and everybody's on opposing sides. Like,
• 54:26
  Do we not realize that we all need to work together? We learned this in kindergarten. I don't care if you're Democrat, Republican. I don't care. But having opposing sides and saying, I'm right and you're wrong, if you think about it, that's what happens in a relationship. Right. The second that we start miscommunicating is when the whole thing falls apart. And the whole world is at odds right now. Nobody wants to work together. Everybody's like, listen to me.
• 54:54
  Not knowing that the truth is not held in one single perspective doesn't make any sense. So people aren't actually after the truth. People are after power in winning. Yeah. Nobody wins when we don't work together. What people realize is it's not very hard to make it a win, win, win. And if it's not a win, win, win,
• 55:14
  And when we look at the way our system is set up, and this is not to digress, but it's if 50% of the people are unhappy all the time, because that's what happens. It's what Biden won 50.1% of the vote. So that means the other 49.9% are unhappy. What kind of a system is that?
• 55:32
  That's a majority, but it's not. So I would never want to be in a world where half the people are unhappy. I just don't. And the funny thing about it is people need to realize, that's why I started this podcast, this is why I have you on, is the world could be a happier place if you just owned your own shit. That's it. It's literally that simple. I live in this cloud universe that is, I'm floating on clouds every single day.
• 55:59
  I was going to say, me and one of my best friends since I just moved here a month ago, we were talking about this. My life is like the best life. And it's because, A, you become ruthless about cutting people out who are not resonant. And this is exactly like what you said. When you're on this new venture of changing what you want in your life, you have to be ruthless about saying no to the people who do not fit.
• 56:26
  And I've become really ruthless about it. People only get one chance. But like when you do that, you surround yourself, not just with people who are saying, oh, you're right, or they're people pleasing you. It's people who have good alignment in the core values and who have a positive energy. And they're also affirming the future and affirming where they're at. And you surround yourself with that. And life just gets really good.
• 56:51
  I love it. I love it. We got a couple more questions because you're beautiful and I want to know more about you. So can you share a book, a movie or a piece of media that has significant impact on your life? And you find yourself returning to it frequently. I'll give you one. The Four Agreements. I read The Four Agreements. I was just going to say that in my mind. The Four Agreements is one of them. Also, Think and Grow Rich. I think it's one of the foundational things. Have you read that one?
• 57:21
  Skip Pritchard is the nine mistakes people make. I never knew who this guy was, but he found me on social media and sent me the book. He's going to be on my podcast right after you. I'll send you, I'll text you when I get your number offline. I'll text you it, read it. It's the last chapter is about creating heaven on earth, like what the four agreements talks about. And I just, I can't ever get enough of it. I love it. And a little known fact too, guys, that are going to listen to this. So a little cheat code that I do.
• 57:48
  I read a lot. I listen to a lot of women's podcasts and I read a lot of women's books. So I've binged on all of Brene Brown's books because I wanted to understand Glennon Doyle books. I wanted to know what they think. I didn't realize that you just put a post up about this. I said, let's talk about this tomorrow. And it's men need to lead. And if you don't know what you're leading, you're,
• 58:14
  you're going to end up nowhere fast. So, uh, yeah, I'm not trying to be male chauvinistic or any of that, but you need to understand that she's coming at this woman that you guys look at things differently. We're different. There's nothing wrong with that. We celebrate our differences, but you just understand that literally she's, she's the cheat code. Uh, God gave you one mouth and two ears.
• 58:38
  She just wants you to shut the hell up and listen and feel safe. And the easiest way to make them feel safe is make them feel heard and seen. Simple. Yes. And well, and like you just said, I think it's so important for men to really understand that the post that you're referring to is where I said that men have so much power because I feel like the response you'll get, like if I were to say that on my social media, what you just said, you know, she just wants you to shut up and listen.
• 59:08
  a lot of the response I would get is like, it's what about the man's turn? And it's good for him to listen to. And like, that is so important. And he does deserve to be heard. Like as men, you do deserve to be heard. But what Kelly, what you're saying and what I pointed out on my post is like,
• 59:25
  It is still the man's job to make the woman feel safe because men are more powerful than women. We're not created equal and we're not created unequal in the way that like one is better than the other, but we're made like a puzzle piece. We have different attributes that fit together perfectly and you have to know what your skill set is and what your role is. And as a man, it is your job to make a woman feel safe because you're always going to be more powerful than a woman, no matter what job she has or anything.
• 59:53
  And so I compared it to the lion and the lamb. Like the lion is getting mad at the lamb for what? Like, why should I make you feel safe? Cause you're a fucking lion. The lamb is, is a lamb. It can, it can put a lion's mane on, but it's not going to be no lion. You know what I mean? So it's the lion's job to make the lamb feel safe. If you want to be friends with the lamb, you want to start a family with the lamb. You got to make sure that lamb feels safe. So you can have lamb babies. Um,
• 1:00:22
  So it is your job no matter what. And maybe that lamb makes you feel unsafe or unhealthy or whatever. But at that point, remember, you're still the lion. So choose what you want to do. That doesn't mean attack the lamb. It means maybe you have to find a new one. Right. But it doesn't mean you purposefully make that lamb feel unsafe.
• 1:00:41
  There are so many questions I haven't even got to and I'm up against it. I'm going to fire through a couple things, but I want to say something that you may or may not have heard. Be careful about the use of LAM. You know what an acronym for LAM is? Look at me, bitches. I didn't know. Guys, stay away from the look at me, bitches. You know the ones. They're showing their boobs and their, you know, hey, look at me. Those are the insecure ones, boys. I hate to say it. They're hot. They're hot.
• 1:01:08
  But a lot of them, when they're freaking, hey, look at me, look at me, those are the ones that you kind of want to just dig a little deeper and make sure that they're doing the work on themselves and not just pretty on the outside and ugly on the inside. Because ugly on the inside will wreck your whole life. Let's go through a couple of quick questions. Daily rituals are important. I document them every day. What does a typical day look like for you? And are there any daily rituals or habits that you find particularly grounding or energizing?
• 1:01:38
  I don't stick to like a huge, like long list of daily rituals, but every day I usually try to go to the gym, move my body. I eat the same thing basically every single day. Really boring chicken and rice, chicken and salad. I read and I make sure to do content every day. Have you read all of Renee Brown's stuff? I haven't read any of Renee Brown's stuff. Oh, read Atlas of the Heart.
• 1:02:06
  Good. Really good. I've read Jen Sincero's stuff. I've read all the – I've read mostly male authors. Books about men. You know? No More Mr. Nice Guy. Relentless by Tim Grover. How about Asshole Finish First? I have read that one when I was little. That's funny. That's an old book, right? Yeah, yeah. I read that when I was young. I should have read that when I was in the main grade.
• 1:02:37
  When I was like 14, though, I read that, where he sleeps with a bunch of women and he tells you how. Oh, wait, wait, wait. No, that's Neil Strauss. That's the – what is that one? I read all those, too. I could have taught that freaking book. That was – oh, God, I've got to think about it. I can't remember the name of it.
• 1:02:55
  I thought that's what it was. The second book was The Truth. The first book was, oh, I think it'll come to me. Speaking of Neil Strauss, which I've been chasing to try to get him on the podcast. So, Neil, if you hear this, reach out to me. I want you on the podcast. I love your story. What's your dream collaboration? Oh, man. I have so many dream collaborations. I think mine's Brene Brown. You want to laugh? I just thought of that. Probably Brene Brown. Yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Because she's so different from me, but she's brilliant. Her mind, the way her mind thinks. And she's very, very left wing. And I'm a little bit more right. But I just, I just, I celebrate differences. I love that. I want to learn. I don't surround myself with people that are just like me. I want to hang out with you because there's so much of your softness that I want to rub off on me.
• 1:03:52
  So you're right up the road. We're going to hang out. I'm going to introduce you to some people. So give me a dream collaboration. One. Oh, there's so many people that I admire and love, but I love, I've always been a big fan of Grant Cardone. I've done like all of his programs.
• 1:04:07
  And he has a huge platform and he knows how to make things work. So I think that he would have a huge impact on men's mental health if he allowed space for it. My neighbor here in Florida just ran into him in Vegas and took a picture. And he was she said he was the nicest, approachable, sweetest guy, which I was impressed. Yeah, he's awesome. I mean, I've been at his house to dinner through Elena Cardone's programs and stuff. But like, so I'm getting I'm getting that million followers. So he knows who I am. You know?
• 1:04:35
  We didn't get into the role of it. I'm going to, you may be the first person I have actually back because we didn't get through anything because we just chatted for so long, but. I'll have to do a lunchtime podcast. We'll meet up and go to lunch and we'll just put a camera there. Oh God, that would be fun in the summer here in Florida. So we're going to talk about the role of the family when we do that. But I just want to say, is there anything I haven't asked that you feel compelled to share? No, I think we went through a whole range of things.
• 1:05:03
  I just want to let the men know that they are appreciated and loved and to live your best life does take your own. You have to lead yourself. You have to lead yourself.
• 1:05:14
  no one's going to fix it for you, but you do have support along the way. And you could get there for 99 bucks a month on at least my program. No, I say it because man, you know what happens? If men become better, women will become better. And we make the whole world a better place. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And men are the leaders. Men are the leaders. And I know that a lot of women have taken on very masculine roles, but why are we seeing that as such a negative thing? Right? Like,
• 1:05:41
  Women have become better. They have leveled up. They have taken on jobs that are not in the norm. But that's just a call for men to like, okay, we can get better too. Why, why bring one type? Why call one type to come back down the level? Like, let's, let's continue to be better. Let's continue to boss up on both sides, you know? I love it.
• 1:06:08
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