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Was Tammy Daybell, cult-Mom hubby's dead wife, Lori Vallow's first victim? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.
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  Speaker 1: By now, we have all heard the name cult Mom
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  Speaker 1: Lorie Valo, the young mom who refuses to tell police
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  Speaker 1: whether her two children are dead or alive. But we
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  Speaker 1: don't hear much about Tammy Daybille. We don't hear much
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  Speaker 1: about her. But today I want justice for Tammy Daybill.
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  Speaker 1: How does a young woman in her forties who's training
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  Speaker 1: for a marathon suddenly just die in her sleep with
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  Speaker 1: that soon to be neelywed groom lying right beside her.
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  Speaker 1: That's quite the coincidence, isn't it. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. A forty seven year old young
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  Speaker 1: mom training for a marathon just poof dies in her sleep. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious, not concerned. But when her husband marries about
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  Speaker 1: a month later to a woman whose husband dies two
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  Speaker 1: weeks before, I'm starting to simmer, just simmering. Then when
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  Speaker 1: i find out there's four dead bodies and two missing
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  Speaker 1: children connected, I'm boiling over. I'm talking about Tammy Day
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  Speaker 1: Belle Right. Cult Mom Lorie Valo's brand new hubby, dad,
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  Speaker 1: ex wife. What's happening? Why don't I have answers? Why
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  Speaker 1: wasn't there an autopsy? I need justice, not just for her,
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  Speaker 1: but for her family. I'm asy, Grace. This is crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us here at Fox Nation and
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  Speaker 1: Serious XM one eleven. You think we're just gonna stick
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  Speaker 1: our heads in the sand and our tail in the air,
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  Speaker 1: That's not happening. Take a listen right now to East
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  Speaker 1: Idaho News reporter Nate Eaton. Deputies respond as they took pictures,
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  Speaker 1: they looked it over, contacted our detectives. Detectives had a
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  Speaker 1: few questions. They satisfied those didn't see anything that alarmed them.
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  Speaker 1: Was Chad day Bell acting interesting or suspicious or normal?
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  Speaker 1: To my knowledge, he was responding like anybody would whose
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  Speaker 1: spouse had just passed away. That's why the deputies didn't
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  Speaker 1: and or didn't suspect anything suspicious. A few days later,
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  Speaker 1: Humphreys says his office was alerted by detectives in Arizona
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  Speaker 1: about the other deaths. Tammy's body was exhumed from the Springhill,
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  Speaker 1: Utah ever Green Cemetery and an autopsy was performed. We're
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  Speaker 1: still waiting for the lab results to come back. Do
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  Speaker 1: you know if termmy day Bell had a big life
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  Speaker 1: insurance policy. There is some information along those lines that
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  Speaker 1: I'm not at liberty to speak about right now, but
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  Speaker 1: that is being investigated. Yes it is. You're hearing our
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  Speaker 1: friend Nate Eaton with East Idaho News dot Com questioning
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  Speaker 1: the Fremont County Sheriff Lee Humphries. I got a lot
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  Speaker 1: more questions joining me right now an a list panel
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  Speaker 1: number one, former prosecutor, former felony prosecutor, and I've checked
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  Speaker 1: out his record. Now. Defense Attorney Daryl Cohen joining me
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  Speaker 1: from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Bobby Chicoon, former special agent with
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  Speaker 1: the FBI, current star a Facebook series Curse of Akacorp.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist MD joining us today. Professor Forensics,
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, but right now to reporter
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  Speaker 1: with the East Idaho News dot Com Nate eating Nate
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  Speaker 1: Hey no offense, but she kind of rolled over on
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  Speaker 1: a couple of those questions. You didn't want to tangle
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  Speaker 1: with the county sheriff because when he says, I had
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  Speaker 1: a few questions, A few questions, why would a woman
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  Speaker 1: in her forties and perfect health that we know of,
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  Speaker 1: and don't you know she had some underlying element cult?
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  Speaker 1: Mom's family would be blasting it out there. No, she's
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  Speaker 1: training for a marathon. Can you say that, Nate, eating
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  Speaker 1: and you have a few questions? Die in her sleep.
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  Speaker 1: The last person to see her alive was her husband,
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  Speaker 1: Chad A. Day Bell, who wrote twenty five books that
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  Speaker 1: we know of about end of Times with some crazy
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  Speaker 1: cult and he just married Lorie Valley right after Tammy
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  Speaker 1: dies in her sleep with him whileing right beside her.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, Nate, what's the sheriff saying now? Well, the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff saying that the autopsy, it will tell the answers, hopefully,
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully that autopsy is back soon. You know, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: was the school librarian who everybody loved. Everybody in town
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  Speaker 1: knew her. She worked with every student that came into
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  Speaker 1: that library, so she was a beloved member of the community.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody was shocked when she died with interesting Nancy whoa whoa.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody was shocked, but nobody did anything, did they? Nobody
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  Speaker 1: did a dard thing? Did they Nate, you kill over
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  Speaker 1: and you're sleep. Don't worry, I'm on it, okay, But
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  Speaker 1: nobody did anything with Tammy Daybill. Just just tell me
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  Speaker 1: what the sheriff says about the way Chad day Bell
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  Speaker 1: reacted when his wife just up and dies in her sleep.
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  Speaker 1: They said that he acted like a grieving husband would
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  Speaker 1: any grieving husband would. He was that he was distraught.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the interesting thing. She died on a Saturday morning.
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  Speaker 1: She was in the ground by Tuesday afternoon. Normally families
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  Speaker 1: take time to notify loved one. Whit whit whit white.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, Nate, just curious. I've never asked you this before,
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  Speaker 1: But where are you from? I'm from all over but
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  Speaker 1: I've lived in Idaho now for five years. Okay, that
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  Speaker 1: is not an acceptable answer because you're only from one place.
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  Speaker 1: Where would that be? Night eight? I grew up near
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  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, Okay, because I don't know what the
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  Speaker 1: customary practice is where you grew up. But she dies
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday's three days later, Okay. I
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  Speaker 1: don't find that unusual. So where you're from is that unusual? Well,
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  Speaker 1: normally you would notify friends, family members. Because they didn't
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  Speaker 1: bury her body here in Idaho. They had to make
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  Speaker 1: arrangements to have her body transporters about six hours from
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  Speaker 1: where we're at. Okay, now, wait a minute, that's something new.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me that again. So she dies Saturday morning. They
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  Speaker 1: don't bury her body in Idaho. What they do is
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  Speaker 1: they chip her body back to where she grew up,
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  Speaker 1: down in the middle of Utah. So you have to
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  Speaker 1: make arrangements for that they hold there. How far away
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  Speaker 1: is that, I mean, they didn't teach me much geography
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  Speaker 1: in law school. How long of a drive is that? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: at least six hours? Six hours? So what did you
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  Speaker 1: say they had to ship her body down here? You
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  Speaker 1: say that they have to ship her body. They could
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  Speaker 1: just take her body down to Springville, Utah. So six
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  Speaker 1: hours from here. Then the next day the family comes
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  Speaker 1: back to Idaho and holds a memorial service without her
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  Speaker 1: body or casket. So it was as if things were
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  Speaker 1: in fast motion. And a lot of people that attended
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  Speaker 1: that memorial service said it was weird that there wasn't
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  Speaker 1: even a casket, There wasn't even a body there. That
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  Speaker 1: I hate to argue with you this much right off
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  Speaker 1: the get go. But Nate, I read Nate. When you
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  Speaker 1: have a memorial, that very often means that the person
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  Speaker 1: is being cremated or buried, and at some later date
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  Speaker 1: there is are your memory. You're remembering the person a funeral. Now, Jackie,
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  Speaker 1: look this up on Google. Difference between memorial and funeral. See,
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  Speaker 1: these are the fun things I do in my spare
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  Speaker 1: time when I'm not chasing down Killer's Nate. Because you
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't expect, typically at a memorial, I wouldn't expect necessarily
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  Speaker 1: for a body to be there. But I am interested,
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  Speaker 1: so that that's not unusual so far. Memorial was three
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  Speaker 1: days later, not not concerning me at all. That in
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  Speaker 1: my mind is typical. But you did say something. You
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  Speaker 1: said something about family and friends not knowing. Did family
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  Speaker 1: and friends? Did everybody not get the word that Tammy
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  Speaker 1: had passed away? There were a lot of people that
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  Speaker 1: after the fact, after the funeral, after the memorial, whoa
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  Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell died? She was here six days ago
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  Speaker 1: getting ready for this race, and now she's buried in
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  Speaker 1: the ground. Okay, so they didn't put it in the
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  Speaker 1: local paper that there's going to be a memorial service.
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  Speaker 1: There was an obituary. But again, everything happened so quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Normally you'd wait a few days. And if you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be where you're pat where the where the death occurs,
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  Speaker 1: do that memorial service first with the cast, get pay
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  Speaker 1: your respect, then take it down to hold on dear,
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  Speaker 1: because my crack legal researcher Jackie is holding up body
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  Speaker 1: not present for memorial. That's what a memorial is, Nate. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know what. I'm going to quit arguing with you
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  Speaker 1: about memorial versus funeral and get down to something serious.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that you're telling me she was buried so
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  Speaker 1: quickly that everybody didn't even realize or hadn't gotten notice
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  Speaker 1: of a funeral. And most important question etiquette aside, how
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  Speaker 1: long after Tammy Day Bell died did Chad at Day
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  Speaker 1: Belle married cult Mom Laurie Valo within three weeks? Within
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  Speaker 1: three weeks they were married. I thought it was a month,
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  Speaker 1: not that that made any difference to me. One week
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  Speaker 1: does not. Of course, A lot can happen in seven days.
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  Speaker 1: But three weeks later he has remarried. Okay, and I
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  Speaker 1: believe it was two weeks after the death of her husband.
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  Speaker 1: Cult Mom Laurie Valo remarries to Chad day Belle. Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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  Speaker 1: and Series X one eleven. I've seen so many pictures
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  Speaker 1: of cult Mom Laurie Valo, and we holler cult Mom
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  Speaker 1: because she was part of some doomsday cult. They say
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  Speaker 1: the Earth's going to end. July twenty, twenty twenty, I
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  Speaker 1: think is the date. If you're not one of the
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  Speaker 1: select few one hundred and forty thousand worldwide since the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of time, Adam and Eve, you're just basically up
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  Speaker 1: the creek without a paddle. It's over for you. We
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  Speaker 1: see pictures of cult mom Laurie Vallo all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Why do I keep seeing pictures of her? Why don't
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  Speaker 1: I see pictures of Tammy day Bell. She's dead and
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  Speaker 1: nobody even bothered to ask for an autosy. The husband
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  Speaker 1: didn't care. What happened to my wife? Why is she dead?
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  Speaker 1: If God forbid, my husband just dropped dead, I'd want
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  Speaker 1: to know why I love him. I want to know
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  Speaker 1: what happened to him to try to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: it all. But let me understand this Darrel Cohen, former
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor and now a defense attorney. I'm sure you're going
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  Speaker 1: to argue at me till you're blue in the face.
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  Speaker 1: That means nothing, but it means something to me, and
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee you'll mean something to a jury that he
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  Speaker 1: never once said. What happened to her? Why is my
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  Speaker 1: wife gone? Darryl? I would I would hammer that with
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  Speaker 1: a ballpeen hammer and opening statements, you know I would, Darryl.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you're gonna tell me it means nothing. I yes,
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  Speaker 1: you would, Nancy, and I will tell you it meant nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It now means something because you put it together to
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  Speaker 1: one of you've got you've got too many dead bodies.
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  Speaker 1: You've got too many, right, there's two dead bodies. So no,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't mean anything at the time, but now it does.
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  Speaker 1: So she's gone, no autopsy. Oh well, you know it's
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  Speaker 1: it happens. But then there's another dead body, and there's
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  Speaker 1: there's a quick marriage. It begins quickly to smell badly,
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  Speaker 1: and the longer it goes, the words smell so not
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  Speaker 1: to argue with you badly. I don't know if that's correct, Daryl,
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  Speaker 1: with all of your acting abilities. Doesn't something smell bad?
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  Speaker 1: And badly would be an adverb that defines a verb. So, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I'll deal with that later. I'll deal
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  Speaker 1: with you when we finished this. But take a listen
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  Speaker 1: right now to the Fremont County Sheriff Lee Humphreeze. He's
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  Speaker 1: at it again with Nate Eaton October nineteenth, we did
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  Speaker 1: respond to an unattended death at the Deville home in
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  Speaker 1: southern part of Fremont County Salem Highway, and Tammy Daville
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  Speaker 1: was deceased at that time. Officers, my officers deputies responded
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  Speaker 1: and as we do with most unattended deaths, they took pictures,
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  Speaker 1: They looked it over, contacted our detectives. Detectives had a
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  Speaker 1: few questions. They satisfied those got the information they needed,
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  Speaker 1: didn't see anything that alarmed them. Contacted the corner corner,
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  Speaker 1: responded and body was transported to the funeral home. The
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  Speaker 1: coroner went there also to do a further examination, and
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  Speaker 1: she determined that there was nothing out of ordinary natural causes.
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  Speaker 1: A few days later, we started getting information out of
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  Speaker 1: Arizona that we maybe ought to take the hour closer
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  Speaker 1: look at this well. He sounds pretty calm. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: wondering how the family of Tammy day Bell is taking
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. We also know that at the time,
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  Speaker 1: no autopsy was ordered to Bobby Chicon, a former special
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  Speaker 1: agent with the FBI, current star Facebook series Curse of Aquacre.
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Chicon, that's a special agent with the FBI. You've
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  Speaker 1: seen a lot of dead bodies, and it concerns me
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  Speaker 1: that nobody demanded an autopsy. Does that not bother you?
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  Speaker 1: Totally bothers me. And you know, you think that those
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  Speaker 1: of us in law enforcement have a natural curiosity, natural suspicion,
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  Speaker 1: particularly when you know a otherwise healthy, normal adults is
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  Speaker 1: dead and undettended death. The normal protocol for us would
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  Speaker 1: be to request an autopsy, because you know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: mantra for us in the forensic world is that you
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  Speaker 1: have to get the evidence fast and first, or else
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  Speaker 1: it can be compromised. And if you lose that opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: you lose it forever. And in this type of case,
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  Speaker 1: as an investigator, if I walked in there and I
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  Speaker 1: saw an otherwise healthy adult in an undetended death situation,
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  Speaker 1: I would think one of the most important tools we're
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  Speaker 1: going to have is that toxicology report resulting from an autopsy,
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  Speaker 1: and now that the results of that are going to
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  Speaker 1: be done, now that she's been exhumed, I'm right now
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  Speaker 1: talking about why nobody ordered an autopsy. I mean, on
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  Speaker 1: the scene. I've got a major, major red flag. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen now to KSLTVS
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  Speaker 1: of US GET reporter Brittany Glass. I have known Chad
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  Speaker 1: and Tammy for a long long time. As many people
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  Speaker 1: in Springville Half, Chad and his late wife grew up
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  Speaker 1: in town. They both graduated from Springville High School. They
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  Speaker 1: went to high school together, and she worked for Springville
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  Speaker 1: City when they were engaged. She was responsible for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the billing, so ambulance billing, cemetery billing. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: they both worked there. Chad worked for Springdale City several times.
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  Speaker 1: Chad worked for the city off and on from nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty five until twenty fourteen, digging graves, maintaining the cemetery,
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  Speaker 1: making sure the lawns are cut, pruning the trees, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of everything, and apparently it was a family tradition.
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  Speaker 1: A nineteen ninety two Deseret News articles tells the story
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  Speaker 1: of the day Bell brothers digging Springville graves to pay
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  Speaker 1: for their BYU educations. In two thousand and one, Chad's
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  Speaker 1: work got more attention and another d news story when
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  Speaker 1: he said his experience left him with many memorable moments
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  Speaker 1: from both the living and the dead. So let me
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  Speaker 1: understand this to you, Nate Adenisidehoe News dot com. Chad
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  Speaker 1: day Bell worked at the cemetery. Yeah, he worked at
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  Speaker 1: a cemetery. He was the sextons, so he not only
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  Speaker 1: was responsible for making sure the bodies were buried, but
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  Speaker 1: that the grounds were taken care of. He knows about death,
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  Speaker 1: He knows about bodies, he knows how to take care
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  Speaker 1: of bodies when they are dead, and he knows the
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  Speaker 1: secrets of the cemetery, you could say. And so this
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  Speaker 1: may have started his fascination with the end of times,
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  Speaker 1: with death, with the second Coming of Jesus Christ, because,
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he went on and wrote two dozen
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  Speaker 1: books about this very topic. Guys, right now we are
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  Speaker 1: learning that police are investigating a mystery latter a suspicious
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  Speaker 1: email in connection to Laurie Vallo's former husband Charles Vallow's death.
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  Speaker 1: But right now we are focusing on Tammy Day Bell,
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  Speaker 1: who lost her life in very unusual circumstances. We also
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  Speaker 1: know that in most jurisdictions, the next of ken decides
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  Speaker 1: whether there will be an autopsy. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: KATV the seventies reporter Gretchen Parsons. When forty nine year
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  Speaker 1: old Tammy Day Bell was found dead in her bed
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  Speaker 1: last October, the Fremont County sheriff says family members asked
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  Speaker 1: the county coroner not to perform an autopsy because her
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  Speaker 1: death appeared to be natural at the time. The coroner
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  Speaker 1: didn't do one. Under Idaho law, if the death is
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  Speaker 1: considered to be from natural causes, the corner can opt
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  Speaker 1: not to do an autopsy. The Fremont County Corner isn't
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  Speaker 1: speaking about this case publicly, but Aida County Corner Dotty
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  Speaker 1: Owen says that is unusual. Unless Tammy was under the
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  Speaker 1: care of a physician. What we would do is we
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  Speaker 1: would call and speak to the primary care physician, verify
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  Speaker 1: that history, review those medical records, and then at that
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  Speaker 1: point release that individual so that that primary care physician
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  Speaker 1: could sign that death certificate out. At that point, if
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  Speaker 1: family had refused an autopsy, we would sit down with
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  Speaker 1: this family, explain why we needed to do it, the
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  Speaker 1: importance of doing it, and then at that point, if
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  Speaker 1: we were still met with resistance, we would go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and just do it based on jurisdiction. And of course
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  Speaker 1: the next of ken was Chad day Bell, who just
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  Speaker 1: three weeks later remarries Toccult Mom Lorie Valo. Hi, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about a victim that has gotten very
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  Speaker 1: little attention in the never ending saga of Colt Mom
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo. Laurie Valo just in court with neon pink
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  Speaker 1: lipstick and blue tonell polish, her hair artfully arranged for
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  Speaker 1: her appearance, and even then with a courtroom pact of
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  Speaker 1: family and friends, not one word did she utter. About
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  Speaker 1: the location offer children. In the last hours, we learned
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  Speaker 1: that both her defense attorneys and the judge walk off
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  Speaker 1: the case. Why is it because upon questioning, she refused
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  Speaker 1: to tell her defense attorneys if her children were dead
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  Speaker 1: or alive. But I have my own questions about Tammy
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  Speaker 1: Day Bell to Nate eaton East Idaho News dot com,
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  Speaker 1: what was the race that Tammy Day Bell was set
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  Speaker 1: to run before her death? It was a five k
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  Speaker 1: here in town that she was working at, running with
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a few of her friends and her family. You know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: one of the things, Nancy, I think a lot of
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: people forget about Tammy is not only was she a
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: mother of five children, but she was a grandmother. She
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: had grandchildren, and in that young age, she's already a grandmom. Yeah,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: she was a grandmother I believe it two or three grandchildren.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So she was getting ready for the time in her
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: life where she could mentor her grandchildren and spend time
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: with them. And you've got a question another question. Were
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you in personal question, Nate? How old are you? I
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: am thirty eight? Okay, well you're knocking on forty. Are
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: you ready to mentor your grandchildren? Is that what you're
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: looking forward to? I'm just curious. I'm not ready for that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something, Nate, this woman had a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: full life. She's not planning on sitting on the rocket
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: chair on the front porch and going back and forth. Okay,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: she's running a marathon. She's working in the town library.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: She has lots of friends. You said that she was
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: going to run the marathon with friends and family. This
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: woman has it going on. Don't make her sound like
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: an old grandmother. And now she wakes up, I mean,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: her husband wakes up right next to her, and she's dead.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensic jacksonvill State University, author,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: blood beneath my feet, this whole pictures all wrong. Yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it is, Nancy. It's horrible. Why you know this falls
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: solely within the jurisdiction and responsibility of the corner. And
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that this person isn't saying anything publicly
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: about this because this she flew the plane into the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: side of the mountain. With this case, she let this
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: body get away without doing a proper examination. And when
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I say proper examination, she may have gone, as an
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: investigator had mentioned to the funeral home to do a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: further examination. But what does that even mean. The problem
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: is is that just by natural nashally certified, they didn't
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: even take time to draw toxicology. And you can do
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that externally urine speak, regular people talk externally. That means
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you don't have to cut the body open, right. There
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be an invasive procedure in order to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: do this. So just a baseline here would be to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: draw toxicology and you would have it forever and ever, amen.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: But they chose not to do this. I gotta tell you,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Nancy forty nine years old is very very young to
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: experience a sudden death. And when they're saying this term
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: unattended death, what they mean is she didn't have a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: primary care physician that would sign the death certificate. They're
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: not saying that she was all alone. She was in
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the room allegedly with her husband in bed with her
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: when she passed on during the night. But the problem
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: is that, Okay, okay, corner, you know you're gonna let
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the body go. What are you gonna list as the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: cause of death? What is there a substance? What are
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you gonna say sudden death? That doesn't mean anything. You've
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: got this woman. Well, you know when you're talking about
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: things like you know, you're saying she's training for a
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: marathon or training for this raise. Well, what type of
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: physical ailments may she have had in order to cause
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: her death. Well, there's nothing to hang your hat on.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You don't have anything that will say, in fact, this
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: caused her. Did she have a heart attack, did she
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: have a stroke? None of these things. And one more
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: salient point here, if this corner, if the sheriff actually
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: cared about their community, actually cared about their community, Let's
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: just say, with all of these kids that are associated
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: with this poor woman, what if there's some kind of
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: genetic predisposition for death. This is a sudden death. Maybe
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: there's something wrong. Maybe they could have helped these children
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: by saying, look, you need to look at this in
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the future because your mom, your grandma died when she
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: was only forty nine years old. That's just a baseline, Nancy.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: This thing does in fact stinct the high Heaven. Well,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: other things are concerning me, jes Scott Morgan. For instance,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: was she called to the touch? How long has she
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: been dead? Was there just for instance, let me just
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: pull something out of the air, an almond smell about her, which,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: as you know, would indicate a particular poison. Was she blew?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Were the particular in her eyes hemorrhaged to suggest asphyxiation?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have no idea because absent a stabbing
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: or shooting death or ligature s jangulation, she could have
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: been murdered for all I know, and it would not
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: have been obvious to the naked eye. It would have
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: required a forensic evaluation, Yes, it would have an All
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: of that is gone now, you know, we talk about
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: all of these poisons, heavy metal poisons, we talk about Hey, Nancy,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: how many times have we covered cases on here involving
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: eye drops to hydrolazine poisoning, maybe Annie freeze. All of
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: these things are completely gone now. The only thing they
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: have left to do what what? What? What? What? Wait?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Regarding touch your hydrozolene, are you telling me that dissipates
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: in the body after a period of time? Yeah, yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: after a period of time, It certainly could, And you're
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: not information would not help me? Are you sure? Are
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you absolutely sure? I am pretty sure with this, Nancy, Yes, absolutely,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that they're going to find anything
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: into tissues now she's already been buried for a protracted
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: period of time. She did wear glasses, and I'm guessing
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: also had just just throwing it out there. I imagine
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: she also had contact lenses. Go ahead, Yeah, and you
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: know when when you mentioned, uh, stay for instance of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: PATKII well whatever, and says there that there were no Patitia.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It's the corner certified to do this. Well, how much?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I got to ask a very disturbing question. When her
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: body is prepared for burial and it's at a funeral home,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: do they remove the eyes if the eyes have been donated? Yes,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: that can that can happen. So there's no way to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: tell that now because she was I think Nate Aton
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't she buried formally and through a funeral home where
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: various fluids would have been put through her body. Her
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: internal organs, including her eyes, would have been removed. I'm
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: not sure if her eyes will remove. We know that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: she wasn'tmbalmed, and that they did not dig her back
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: out of the ground. They did not resume her body
• 27:46
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• 29:31
  Speaker 1: talking about the sudden and unexpected death of Tammy Day
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Bell and the sudden and unexpected marriage of her husband
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: three weeks later. To cult mom Laurie Valo, her husband
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: died two weeks before that. There's so many dead bodies.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I actually had to make a flow chart to doctor
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Angela Arnold. Psychiatrists joining us or now psychiatrists joining us
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: from the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Arnold, what would you expect?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Would you expect a spouse who was lying in bed
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: next to the wife when she dies in the middle
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: of the night to want to know the cause of death?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would want to know how long has
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: she had she been dead? Did she die right after
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: they went to bed? Was her body cold to the touch?
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Was she actually in the bed when she was found
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: dead or somewhere else in the home like the bathroom.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: There's so many questions, But what would you expect, doctor Angela?
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I completely agree with you, Nancy. I can't even imagine
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: that someone would die next to you like you said
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: about your own husband, and you wouldn't and you wouldn't
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: want to know exactly what happened exactly because it all
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: just stinks to me. And do you know what else
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering? Why did they drive six hours away to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: bury her? Oh? You know what? I almost asked, Nate
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Eating that question, But apparently, Nate Eating, let's address that
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people are gonna want to know that.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Why did they drive or as you say, ship with
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the body? That's not when happened, Nate eight? And I'm
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: sure they put it in the in the back of
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: um is the other day, Nate? Actually he's yesterday. My
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: husband and I were with the twins and a hearse
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: drove by it. I said, I don't like seeing herses
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: drive by and he said My husband said, it's a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: very dry sense of humor. I like him when I'm
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: not in it. Just you know, So they drove her
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: six hours away. But isn't it true the whole family
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: had lived there and Chad day Bell had then uprooted
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and moved. Is that why she was buried six hours away? Yeah?
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: You're right. Excuse me, Yeah, you're right. They moved her
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: back to Utah. They took her body back to Utah's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to the very cemetery that Chad used to care for.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: So this is where all of the family was from.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: The whole family was from there. Okay, um, I want
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to skip just one moment speak you know what though, Actually,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: let's hear it. Take a listen to Nate describing a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: very odd occurrence that happened just before Tammy died. Ten
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: days before Tammy died, she reported pulling up in the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: driveway of her house and that a masked man came
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: up behind her and started firing an empty paintball gun
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: at her. She asked what the guy was doing, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: he didn't respond. She then said that she yelled for
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: help and the man took off. The Sheriff's office did
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: send somebody out to the home to investigate. She explained
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: what had happened. There wasn't anything there at the time
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: we could do, and everybody kind of freshened her summed
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: it up as a prank by somebody's part, But that
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: was one of the things that was a red flag.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Do you think it was tied to her death? We
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: would like to know. Have you been able to interview
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: chat about the death of his wife. No, on his accord,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk right, but you obviously would
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: like to talk to him about that. We have been
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: contacted by his attorney, and that was a couple of
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, and his attorney was letting us know that
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: any communications would be through him. Wait a minute, I
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: knew about the paintball incident Nate Eaton, but I didn't
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: know Chad day Bell wouldn't speak to cops about Tammy's death. Nope,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: he hasn't. He's hired an attorney. He hasn't spoken to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: him about any of this, about anything. He's hired an attorney,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and he's moreyared up. Why Daryl Cohen, why why not
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: tell the cops? I woke up at seven o'clock in
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the morning and my wife was cold to the touch
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: or I was in the kitchen. I called her name
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: to come get some coffee. No response I found X.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Why why not tell the cops what happened? That was? Then?
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: This is? Now? There's no reason, okay, all right, other
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: than they asked I mean, if a cop asked me
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a question, now there's a reason. But now they're more
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: dead bodies piling up, and now that the reason is there.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: He can't talk to the cops because all he could
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: do is get himself with br O U B L E,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: which means processcuted, and he doesn't want that. Man. You
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to use that the next time
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: my husband or just basically anybody asked me a question,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: no matter what the question is, I'll say that was
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: then this is now, which we'll send them away scratching
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: their heads because it's a non sequitur. It doesn't follow,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. But you got something with bull's
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: eye target and that is an investigation. Bobby Chicone, former
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: FBI special Agents to our Facebook series Curse of Agricore. Bobby,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: why won't he speak to cops? Yeah, that's a big question, right,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: And there's there's two. There's a big difference between lawyering up.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: You can lawyer up and still come in for an
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: interview with the cops. I've never minded interviewing somebody with
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: their lawyer president. I mean, they have that right. But
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: he but when he lawyered up, his lawyer called the
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: police there is my understanding and said he is not
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: going to talk. All communication should come through me. So
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you know, he hasn't even he lawyered up and then
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: he refused to talk. That's an ex step that he took.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: The police are perfectly willing to interview him in the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: presence of his lawyer, but he still won't even do that.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Even with the protections that he has in place, he
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: won't talk to the Bobby. You know, I actually like
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it when the lawyer's there because I enjoy watching the
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: glances between the person and their lawyers. Hey, I gotta
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: ask you another question, Bobby chick On. Did you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Bobby that, in this case, the nephew in law of
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: caught mom Laurie Valo somebody took a shot at him
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: while driving her dead husband's car. Brandon Bury drou it's
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: my shot. At first he thought also that it was
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a pink ball gun. Turned out it was a real gun.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: My question, do you very narrow question, Bobby Chicone, When
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: you have a silence, sir, on a gun, what does
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: it sound like when the gun is fired. It really
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: just sounds like a puff of air. Oh, you mean
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: like a paintball. Yes, exactly, That's what I'm saying. She
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: thought the guy fired to her with a paintball gun.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: How do I know it wasn't a real gun and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: he just missed, just like what happens. Too much of
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a coincidence, There is no coincidence in criminal law. I mean,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: doctor Angela, Arnold, I know you're an MD. I'm just JD.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: But get real with me for a moment, doctor Angela.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: How likely is it? And this close knit family you've got,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Let's see the third husband, Joseph Ryan. He died of
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a sudden, unexpected heart attack and Laurie Valo had him
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: cremated pronto. Then you've got her husband Charles val dead
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: shot by her brother Alex. Alex is dead and Tammy
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: day Bell is dead and two missing children. How likely,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: just statistically in your mind, is that that two members
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of this group we're shot at buy a paintball and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: one turned out right paintball gun. One turned out to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: be a real gun. I think they will probably both
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: real guns, don't you? Yes? I do. I do think
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: shot at with a real gun. I mean, Nancy, if
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, Isn't that right?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I've never heard a psychiatrist actually admit that,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: and I really respect you for that. They exhumed Tammy's body,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and we're all just what sitting on our thumbs waiting
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: for them to say something. It's been a couple of
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: months now, up, quick answer, Joe Scott Morgan for I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: run out of time? How long does an eximation autopsy take?
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: For Pete's sake? I know not two months? It normally doesn't.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: But they're they're having to go back and backtrack. Now
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: this is on the shoulders of the Utah State Medical
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Examiner where it should have been on the shoulders of
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the local corner. Hey, what about tascology panels? Would that
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: take longer than two months? Since they're having to work
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: their way through embalming fluid? What are you gonna what
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: are you going to examine talks coologically? It's all gone.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: All you have left are the tissues that have now
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: been involved. That's what they're faced with. Okay, Nate Eton,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: give me some good news about Tammy day Bell. When
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: are we going to get the results back? Well? The
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: sheriff back in January said he expected it would be
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: within one to two weeks. Obviously we're now two months
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: out from that, and I spoke with him yesterday morning.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: He says he's still waiting along with the rest of us,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: realize that what he said. Let me tell you something, Sheriff,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: You're elected or not. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend,