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America’s Woodie Era in the Savoy! · In Wheel Time Podcast

• 0:04
  Don Armstrong: Welcome to the In Wheel Time Car Talk Show.
• 0:07
  Don Armstrong: Just ahead, part two of our talk with Mary Ar Grusta at the Savoy Auto Museum just outside Atlanta.
• 0:13
  Don Armstrong: Jeff will have his car culture feature.
• 0:15
  Don Armstrong: And Mr.
• 0:16
  Don Armstrong: Mars have five scenic drives around the Houston Metroplex.
• 0:22
  Mike Marrs: Oh.
• 0:23
  Mike Marrs: I didn't use digging, but I got.
• 0:26
  Don Armstrong: It's gonna say, well, digging.
• 0:29
  Don Armstrong: Yeah.
• 0:29
  Don Armstrong: Well, we don't want to dig too deep because we hit water here.
• 0:32
  Don Armstrong: Howdy, along with Mike out of this world, Mars.
• 0:35
  Don Armstrong: We always need more Jeff Zeken, Chief Engineer David Ainsley.
• 0:38
  Don Armstrong: Thank him for uh helping us as always.
• 0:41
  Don Armstrong: I'm Don Armstrong.
• 0:42
  Don Armstrong: Glad that you could join us on this uh Saturday morning for our live show, always 10 to noon.
• 0:48
  Don Armstrong: By the way, before we get back to Mary O, I did want to mention to everybody that we've got the Lone Star Streetrod Association State Run coming up.
• 0:57
  Don Armstrong: That's up in Granbury, Texas.
• 0:58
  Don Armstrong: That's on June the 13th for us.
• 1:01
  Don Armstrong: So that's a Saturday.
• 1:02
  Don Armstrong: We'll be live there from 9 to noon that Saturday.
• 1:05
  Don Armstrong: So it's a bonus hour that we're gonna tack on to the front of the show.
• 1:09
  Don Armstrong: And we hope that you will join us then.
• 1:11
  Don Armstrong: And hey, if you want a great trip, go up to Granbury for this show.
• 1:16
  Don Armstrong: It's a great road trip.
• 1:18
  Don Armstrong: It's not on the freeway, it's off the freeway, it's in Granbury.
• 1:22
  Don Armstrong: And so uh it's and it's a great city.
• 1:24
  Don Armstrong: And uh matter of fact, I think we're gonna have Fireman Jack on at some point to talk more about it.
• 1:29
  Jeff Dziekan: Next week it's a bit of a drive, it's a good little uh cross country hall, and there's so much stuff to do in Granbury, it's so historic, so I encourage you to go if you're not doing anything that weekend.
• 1:39
  Jeff Dziekan: We're there the 13th and say, it goes from 12, 13th and 14th, so it's Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
• 1:44
  Jeff Dziekan: Yeah.
• 1:44
  Don Armstrong: So anyway, uh we will be broadcasting live there.
• 1:48
  Don Armstrong: Okay.
• 1:48
  Don Armstrong: Uh let's go back to the Savoy Museum in Cartersville, Georgia, which is just outside Atlanta.
• 1:55
  Don Armstrong: And uh we're speaking with Mary Argruza.
• 1:57
  Don Armstrong: Mary, it's always good to have you and have you back.
• 2:00
  Don Armstrong: This is uh her second appearance uh today on the show because we kind of talked about all sorts of stuff, but today we want to talk this hour about the woodies.
• 2:10
  Don Armstrong: And Mary, I know that you've got some there picked out for us, so I'll let you kind of give us the tour.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, though everything that is in this room belongs to the museum.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I want to highlight first this little Woody, and this is probably the smallest one we own.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: It might even be the smallest work in the Woody that was ever made.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: This was done by the American Bantam Company.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason that I'm bringing this up is that American Bantam played a very, very important role during the Second World War.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the government needed a small, lightweight, four-wheel drive reconnaissance vehicle.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: They put the word out to all the different car manufacturers.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: American Bantam was one, I think, of two that was able to get the prototype and all the plans done in time.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the government loved what Bantam did.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: However, they were a very small car company.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: They were pretty much in the process of getting ready to go into bankruptcy, they weren't doing all that well.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so the government just sort of borrowed, so you say the plans, gave them to Ford and Willis, and that's where we got the Jeep, the general purpose vehicle.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Willis for the longest time talked about that they were the creator of the Jeep.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: But in 1955, the Federal Communications Commission came back and said, no, the that goes to American Bantam.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: So if you go up to Butler, Pennsylvania, where the Bantam factory was, there is a five on the side of the road where the old factory was located, and it says that you know it was American Bantam that was the creator of the game.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: So one one of the two bantoms that we own.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: We also have like a little poop, but it's a tiny, tiny, tiny little woody, but really a cool little car.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: Comeary-sized car, we like to say.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I would fit in this thing very, very well.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then go ahead.
• 4:09
  Jeff Dziekan: You're okay.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and right across me is a name that a lot of times when we think of cars, we think of Chrysler and Chevrolet, uh, Ford.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: But you ever think of a Nashwoody?
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is this is a Nash Woody.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, this is one of ours.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: This also recently just came back from full restoration.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, mostly just to the outside, it was retained, all the wood was re was refinished.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: Wayne Carini was here about two weeks ago, and one of the comments he made is that the patina of the wood is period correct.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's not super shiny, it's all almost like a satin finish.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: But the gentleman who did this, it took him about two years.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: They took all the wood off the body, they completely repainted it.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: You'll notice that there are screen windows here.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, that's because you could go camping in this car.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll see if I can get it, because in the back window, there was a mattress that came with this.
• 5:09
  Don Armstrong: And so my god.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: You could put the back seat down, roll the mattress, and then your feet actually went into the trunk.
• 5:17
  Don Armstrong: You could and you know, Mary, it worked wonders at the drive-in movie.
• 5:21
  Don Armstrong: I can remember that.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I when I do the tour, I tell people, you know, there was a song about, you know, uh, mothers don't let your sons grow up to be cowboys.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it could have been mothers don't let your daughters date guys that drive Nashes.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think I could be wrong.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: But this is very unusual.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you don't you don't hear a lot about Nash, but this is just a beautiful, beautiful car.
• 5:47
  Don Armstrong: Well, I heard about Nash Calvinator because remember they bought the refrigerator company.
• 5:52
  Don Armstrong: You might remember.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, they did.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's a really, really beautiful car.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: The guy did a gorgeous restoration, but yet it was two years worth of work to get it done, but well worth all the time that it took.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Give you an idea, a little bit about what the inside of the car looks like.
• 6:09
  Don Armstrong: It's just now have you ever driven any of these cars that are in the museum?
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'll show you one right here that I have, and it's this nice Model A.
• 6:19
  Don Armstrong: A Model A.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: This is it.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: This is Model A Woody.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I drove this.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: We had a we had a I have sort of a reputation around here in terms of like when we have a donor night and you let Mary drive the donors.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Mary has a lead foot.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yes, I have driven this car, and this is the oldest car that I've ever driven, and it was the first time that I ever drove a Woody.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we get I would get it up to third year, and they said get in in the third year and stay in there.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Only because just they really just didn't want it a lot of.
• 6:50
  Don Armstrong: Mary, Mary, did somebody did somebody teach you how to advance the spark up on the uh on the steering column?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, the guys would start the car for me, and I wasn't going more than 30 miles an hour.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so we just because of where we were, it was like a it's on the driveway here, so you couldn't really speed, and in this car, it would just rattle and sh it always fell always seemed to me like it was gonna fall apart.
• 7:15
  Don Armstrong: I never knew that Model A offered a Woody.
• 7:19
  Don Armstrong: Yeah.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: This is this would be like this now.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: This would have been what you would have called a depot hack.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so this the idea was the train station was out of town, and so you would have uh the stations like hotels and things like that, they would send this out to pick you up.
• 7:36
  Jeff Dziekan: Yeah, courtesy shuttle.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, and so it's like a courtesy shuttle, but yeah, this is the 1930 Model A.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: Beautifully, beautifully restored, and I mean it was fun to drive.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's just that boy, there's a wood creek, and I I wasn't used to that, and at times I'd be driving and going like, is this thing gonna fall apart on me?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, it didn't, but I just had never done it before.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, I have driven this one, it was a lot of fun.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: I had a great time, it was it was a blast.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I do want to show you something.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um early air conditioning.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is a Ford Country Squire.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_05: All right.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: I tell people on the tour if you happened to be standing on the curb and the driver came up and did not see you, you could get a pretty uh pretty sizable headache when you got hit with this.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: So this is an air conditioner, and the the air would you would fill this with water, air would come in, and while you were driving, because of the the air coming in here, it would blow cool air into your car, and it actually would drop the temperature, maybe about 20 degrees.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, the moment you stopped moving, all of a sudden now you're getting all this condensation in the car.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: So there was a downside, then you'd have to open up your windows.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: But this was also the air land.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: First, the station wagon was now becoming a very popular car for people after the Second World War with large families.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can throw the kids in the backseat, you can throw them even behind the backseat.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: This actually has two back seats.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, uh, and also the wood on here, it's not like the the original woodies where it was, you know, all wood and you had to maintain it every two years.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: This is now when they're transitioning to be also starting to bring in synthetics, and so now it's becoming very affordable.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: So the station wagon that really started out as a commercial vehicle is now the vehicle for moving your family around and becomes very, very practical after the 50s.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: So this is our country squire, and uh for our little isquitty here, we have the golf cart, and we thought, oh, why not bring it in?
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because it's a cool, it's a cool little thing.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: It is a woody, of course it is synthetic, and we just it we thought, nice little joke.
• 10:00
  Don Armstrong: Uh well, all I can all I can think of, Mary, is that they surely would let you drive that.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, they probably would.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: I've just never had the opportunity to.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: I see.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: But we tell people, you know, when you had a woody, Packard ex Packard advised that you would sand and varnish that every two years.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you do it, your hired helped it.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: If you could afford a packard, you weren't going to do it.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is a packard, this is a barn find.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Now, just let you see, this is what happens when you don't sand and varnish it.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: Look at the quality of the wood.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, fortunately, this was in a barn, it wasn't out in the element, but you can see unless you're keeping on top of the wood, now you're gonna wind up with problems in it.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: But this is all the original paint, all the original wood.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: We even have, if I can show you, the original uh golf clubs and the suitcase that came with the car.
• 10:55
  Jeff Dziekan: Nice gimlet.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then, you know, just something a little bit on the cute side, we have our little cross lead.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this would be a tin-woody.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, this has about the engine's about the size of your riding lawnmower, and we like to tell people that the propeller on the front that, well, that's passing gear.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_05: Passing gear.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: And these were very popular immediately after the war because they got great gas mileage.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and so after when there was gas rationing, this was a very, very affordable car to have.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we called it a tin woody because you could get it either with a wood insert.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: We do have this bow uh basket weave on here, but it's a cute, cute little car.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: But now going back to World War II.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Crossley made his first fortune.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: He worked with Ira Cooper and they did car accessories.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: His biggest seller was the thing that you put on the uh top of your radiator cap that had American flags on it for World War I.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, then he got into producing radios that he made his second fortune there, and during the Second World War, they were having a really hard time hitting planes out of the sky for accuracy.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so there was a uh scientist who was either in Sweden or Norway, and he came up with the idea, you know, if you can set that up on a radio frequency and use that, you can probably have good success.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so they came to Crosley, they asked him to put it together.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was a whole top secret organization.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: He you he would go out a lot and uh and travel, and he came into his own tracker and they weren't gonna let him in because he didn't have the security clearance.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he developed what was called the proximity fuse, and so what they would do is they would go like to shoot something out of the sky, it would be on a radio frequency, but it didn't have to get all the way up to the target, it would explode as they got within the vicinity, and it was so much shrapnel.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they were knocking stuff out of the sky, and then they started using it on land, and that is considered the second greatest um I shouldn't say invention, but the uh element that helped with the second world war behind the atomic bomb.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that was all Mr.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Crosley.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is a package, this is one of our Packard station wagons, and of course, you were in high cotton if you could afford something like this.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: This is anyway.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's it's a beautiful car.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely gorgeous.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: But again, if you were buying a packard, you had money, and so you had somebody who was gonna sand and varnish this car for you every two years.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: You weren't gonna do it.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, can you imagine you're driving down the street in this?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this just screamed money, and of course after the woodies fell out of favor, I mean they they were a novelty for a while, and then they became used cars, and of course, as people bought the used cars, they weren't keeping up with them.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: So by the time that the Beach Boys and Jan and Dean were all singing about, you know, going to Surf City, these were like, you know, ratty used cars that were falling apart, but they were dirt cheap.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so they became very popular, and then that spurned the whole idea of like, let's make Woody's collectibles.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: They really, you know, let's get them, let's restore them.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so when Winnie Creedy and Kang Rose were here last week, someone asked them, you know, well, if I want to buy one, what would be like a safe price range to stay in?
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because these were some of these were done for like three, you know, six figures a couple of years ago.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Guys, Winnie Creedy was talking about one that he paid six figures for, and his suggestion was that if you can find one, basically restore, not you know, not a project where you have to start from scratch.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, he was recommending you don't go there.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: If you can get one for like 45 to 50,000, that's probably gonna be a safe bet where you're not gonna wind up with problems.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's gonna keep its value.
• 14:53
  Don Armstrong: Mary, how long is how long is the Woody collection on display there?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think about three more months.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: We just brought, well, no, two more months, excuse me, because we just brought in the Chrysler weather cars.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_05: That's nice right there.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's a pretty car.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this was an aftermarket, this was a dealer add-ons.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't get this from the factory.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, this is applied to the actual steel body.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: So this was an add-on, but we've got about two and a half, maybe two and a half more months that we will have these on display.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then I forget what's coming in after we move this.
• 15:26
  Don Armstrong: Well, I gotta ask you, uh Mary, uh, because we're running out of time here, but um, you know, would it be really feasible to take a road trip headed toward you, stay in Atlanta, and then come on out 45 minutes away or 45 miles away from Atlanta up to Cartersville, Georgia, to take a tour of of the Savoy.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to do it.
• 15:52
  Don Armstrong: Okay.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, yeah.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just not the Savoy.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: If you wanted to go to the booth, we could get you to the booth, we could get you to the TALAS.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you could see the other two museums that we are, you know, partnered with.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely, but yeah, come on up.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: This place is this place is great.
• 16:11
  Don Armstrong: Is it is it Savoy Museum.com?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, oh no, on the on the uh web.org.org.org.
• 16:21
  Don Armstrong: Museum Savoymuseum.org.org.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:24
  Don Armstrong: Okay.
• 16:24
  Don Armstrong: All right.
• 16:26
  Don Armstrong: Mary, I can't tell you how what a pleasure it is always to talk to you.
• 16:29
  Don Armstrong: We we we think the world of you and and the Savoy, but you do such a good job there, and uh you you deserve a raise.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um can I get a copy of this so that I can give it to the powers to be able to do that?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
• 16:46
  Don Armstrong: And we'll enhance we'll enhance it with more of the the kudos that we send your way.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, please do that because that that will help.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: But thanks, guys.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's always a lot of fun talking to you.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's and it's always a pleasure to share the museum with people.
• 17:02
  Don Armstrong: And thank you so much.
• 17:03
  Don Armstrong: And let's stay in touch.
• 17:04
  Don Armstrong: And uh, you got something new coming up.
• 17:06
  Don Armstrong: Be sure and give us a call and we'll get you on.
• 17:08
  Don Armstrong: We appreciate you, Sharon.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, talk to you soon.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_05: Bye-bye.
• 17:12
  Don Armstrong: All right.
• 17:12
  Don Armstrong: Uh hey, just ahead, Jeff's Car Culture.
• 17:14
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• 17:15
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• 17:22
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• 17:24
  Don Armstrong: Uh no way to go by.
• 17:27
  Don Armstrong: Yeah.
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  Don Armstrong: Time now for Jeff's car culture.
• 19:18
  Don Armstrong: The immortality in silver, the Borg Warner Trophy.
• 19:23
  Jeff Dziekan: The Borg Warner Trophy, and it's been uh it's been an awesome uh thing to look at.
• 19:28
  Jeff Dziekan: So here we go.
• 19:30
  Jeff Dziekan: Uh the trophy, which has been presented in the winner's circle after every race since 1936, is very large.
• 19:35
  Jeff Dziekan: It's multi-tiered, and which bears the high relief sculpture and likeness of each driver that has won the race since its inception in 1911.
• 19:45
  Jeff Dziekan: Inscribed are the winner's name, the word of victory, and the average speed.
• 19:49
  Jeff Dziekan: The information is alternated with the faces in a checkerboard pattern evoking a checkered flag, including on the basis of gold likeness of Tony Holman, which is the uh owner of the NFL speedway from 1945 to 1977.
• 20:03
  Jeff Dziekan: Made a sterling silver mic, this trophy is just under 5 feet 4 inches tall and weighs 153 pounds.
• 20:09
  Jeff Dziekan: The trophy itself is hollow and the dome shape top is removable.
• 20:13
  Jeff Dziekan: There's bunch of stories about kids in the trophy before that took look online for that.
• 20:19
  Jeff Dziekan: From 1936 to 1985, somebody's put their weeds in there.
• 20:23
  Jeff Dziekan: No, they've been drinking out of it.
• 20:24
  Jeff Dziekan: It's like a style of cup thing, but that's another story for another dog.
• 20:27
  Jeff Dziekan: But the trophy stuff uh the uh trophy stuff hollow shape for 1936, okay, it's a death.
• 20:33
  Jeff Dziekan: On the top of the trophy is an unclothed man waving a checkered flag because the man is depicted naked after the traditional depiction of athletes of the Greek Greek art.
• 20:44
  Jeff Dziekan: Uh the trophy is most often photographed at an angle so that the man's arm blocks the view of the figures in genitalia.
• 20:52
  Jeff Dziekan: Does it have that?
• 20:53
  Jeff Dziekan: Genitalia.
• 20:54
  Jeff Dziekan: It's got that.
• 20:56
  Jeff Dziekan: Oh my god, okay, I have no clue.
• 20:57
  Jeff Dziekan: Well, there goes the automobile.
• 21:01
  Jeff Dziekan: This is not a stick and ball sport.
• 21:03
  Jeff Dziekan: Uh a base was added in 1986 to accommodate more winners similar to what has been done on the Stanley Cup.
• 21:09
  Jeff Dziekan: In 1991, the trophy went through a thorough restoration in 2004.
• 21:14
  Jeff Dziekan: The first base was removed and replaced with a new, larger base to accommodate more winners, because obviously there were out of space.
• 21:21
  Jeff Dziekan: Enough space is currently available on the trophy to hold winners to 2033.
• 21:26
  Jeff Dziekan: The actual perpetual trophy of the trophy itself is not given to the winner.
• 21:30
  Jeff Dziekan: It remains at the Indianapolis More Speedway in the museum.
• 21:34
  Jeff Dziekan: The winner winning drivers since 1988 have been presented with an 18-inch tall freestanding replica of the trophy, sitting on a beveled square base.
• 21:44
  Jeff Dziekan: Now the base is actually the image of the driver itself.
• 21:48
  Jeff Dziekan: Uh officially titled the Indianapolis 500 Cap Inch Trophy, it has been officially nicknamed the Baby Borg.
• 21:56
  Jeff Dziekan: The Baby Borg is typically presented the following January at the Speedway reception or sometimes at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, near the sponsor Borg Warner's headquarters.
• 22:08
  Jeff Dziekan: So Borg Warner's headquarters are in business.
• 22:10
  Jeff Dziekan: I believe so.
• 22:11
  Jeff Dziekan: When the winners beg uh began to be added annually after 1936, uh most of the 1970 drivers were depicted wearing open face helmets.
• 22:20
  Jeff Dziekan: Floyd Davis, who co-won in the 1941 race with Mari Rose, was depicted without a helmet, while Rose was depicted with one.
• 22:29
  Jeff Dziekan: By 1946, most were shown without their goggles.
• 22:33
  Jeff Dziekan: Now the Borg Warner Indianapolis Trophy winner awarded to Ray Keach in 1929, and that's what the first one looked like.
• 22:40
  Jeff Dziekan: So there you go.
• 22:41
  Don Armstrong: Wow, that's what the first one looked like.
• 22:42
  Don Armstrong: Doesn't look like anything that we don't see today.
• 22:46
  Don Armstrong: But that is the man naked with a female there?
• 22:48
  Don Armstrong: I don't know.
• 22:49
  Don Armstrong: He's got his hand back there on a derriere.
• 22:51
  Jeff Dziekan: It could be a Hyundai trophy, you never know.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's and there we have it.
• 22:58
  Jeff Dziekan: That's we're gonna move on.
• 22:59
  Jeff Dziekan: We're gonna move on before you go.
• 23:01
  Don Armstrong: All right, time now for driving destinations.
• 23:03
  Don Armstrong: Mr.
• 23:04
  Don Armstrong: Mars has five scenic cruises around Houston.
• 23:06
  Don Armstrong: We didn't know there was one, but I guess we're gonna find out.
• 23:09
  Mike Marrs: Okay, Jeff.
• 23:11
  Mike Marrs: So there's five places.
• 23:13
  Mike Marrs: You know, when we talk about trying to go around Houston and the Houston area, now Houston area is a pretty big place.
• 23:18
  Mike Marrs: And so five of them were kind of hard to find, but we found them.
• 23:23
  Mike Marrs: So one of them is the Blue Water Highway Coastal Drive.
• 23:26
  Mike Marrs: Now, this is a runs uh coast of Houston.
• 23:29
  Mike Marrs: You go down towards Galveston and it runs between Galveston and Surfside Beach, actually along the coast.
• 23:35
  Mike Marrs: Now you see the beaches, you see the marshes, you see a lot of fishing communities, and you so you get a lot of wide open views along the coast, like you would expect to see.
• 23:45
  Mike Marrs: Now you of course you can get up and go early morning and catch the sunrise or stay late and catch the sunset.
• 23:50
  Mike Marrs: So it's it's a pretty nice, relaxing escape drive.
• 23:54
  Mike Marrs: Uh even City Hall here, depicted here, is is on pilings and uh stuff the pier in Galveston where you can go and play and have lots of fun with the kids.
• 24:05
  Mike Marrs: Now the other thing that we wanted to talk about is FM 149 that goes up through Sam Houston National Forest.
• 24:12
  Mike Marrs: Now, there's it's kind of a drive, it goes in between the trees.
• 24:18
  Mike Marrs: There's actually three counties that this route goes across.
• 24:21
  Mike Marrs: And so you get in, you go up through New Waverly and you go up through Montgomery in the spring and fall, you're gonna get all the colorful uh leaves in the spring, and the weather changes, and you're gonna get the wildlife sightings that are year-round, you're gonna see uh small animals, and you're not gonna see a whole lot of city traffic because a lot of people to go out on these back roads, they don't want to see that, and so you're looking for fresh air and getting away from the traffic.
• 24:45
  Mike Marrs: The other one that a lot of people are a little more familiar with is the Bolivar Peninsula ferry route.
• 24:51
  Mike Marrs: Now, this is a drive across the Bolivar Peninsula, so you can start either on the Galveston or you can start up towards Beaumont or actually uh High Island, and you get on the ferry, it's a free ferry ride that goes across from Port Bolivar to Galveston or vice versa.
• 25:09
  Mike Marrs: And if you're starting in Galveston, you get on the ferry, you go across.
• 25:12
  Mike Marrs: It's about a 30-minute ride.
• 25:14
  Mike Marrs: You can see dolphins depending on the weather.
• 25:16
  Mike Marrs: You see the bay.
• 25:17
  Mike Marrs: Sometimes you get caught out there waiting on a ship to go up the ship channel into the port of Houston.
• 25:23
  Mike Marrs: But once you get over on the Bolivar Peninsula, you've got uh a lot of scenic area there.
• 25:29
  Mike Marrs: You've got a fort that was part of goes all the way back to World War I, part of the fortification there when they thought we were going to get invaded.
• 25:36
  Mike Marrs: And uh you can tour that, but you can also go up a little bit further, you can actually drive on this beach.
• 25:41
  Mike Marrs: It's it's considered a highway one.
• 25:43
  Mike Marrs: There are road restrictions, there's a speed limit and everything else, but you can drive on it.
• 25:48
  Mike Marrs: Just be careful of the soft sand and don't get stuck.
• 25:51
  Mike Marrs: Then, whenever you go from there, you go on up to the Texas Independence Trail towards Washington on the Brazos.
• 25:58
  Mike Marrs: Now, this is one of six trails that are actually built that was created, uh, not only declared because of the independence of you know, Texas independence in 1836, but because of the World's Fair in 68, the Heritage Society built these different trails that kind of came into the World's Fair, and now they've kept them up.
• 26:20
  Mike Marrs: And so this kind of goes up through the farmlands, you got Blue Bonnet Fields in spring, and you got go up through Brenham and Chapel Hill, the historic homes, antique shops.
• 26:28
  Mike Marrs: There's a lot of things to go up and see up there through the springtime part of uh the seasons.
• 26:34
  Mike Marrs: Now, from there, you can actually take the San Jacin River and Lake Houston loop.
• 26:40
  Mike Marrs: Now, a lot of people in Houston are gonna be a little more familiar with this.
• 26:43
  Mike Marrs: I was aware of Lake Houston, and I've crossed that bridge that goes across it several times, but I wasn't aware of exactly how big it is as we kind of got it depicted here.
• 26:52
  Mike Marrs: So if you're gonna try and go running through this, you're gonna cross over the San Jacino River that feeds down from Gal uh Conroe, and uh you're gonna pass through Umbull, Hoffman, Crosby.
• 27:03
  Mike Marrs: You got lots of water views, lots of little towns, and it's uh it's a pretty big drive to go all the way around this lake, and it's pretty scenic, but it's right outside of Houston.
• 27:13
  Mike Marrs: So that's that's five places that you can go and take you a nice scenic drive without having to go spit half a day to get there.
• 27:20
  Don Armstrong: So, what what are you gonna do next weekend to top this?
• 27:25
  Mike Marrs: Um I I I'm work on it.
• 27:29
  Mike Marrs: You've been thinking of speakeasy lately.
• 27:31
  Jeff Dziekan: Thinking of it.
• 27:32
  Jeff Dziekan: He's trying to put you on a spot, Mike.
• 27:34
  Mike Marrs: Oh, I know he is, but I've got one for the speakeasies.
• 27:36
  Mike Marrs: I'm saving.
• 27:37
  Mike Marrs: I was saving for a little bit longer.
• 27:39
  Don Armstrong: Why would you save that?
• 27:40
  Don Armstrong: Well, trying to do it.
• 27:41
  Mike Marrs: Summer's coming, trying to get some of the family things in that the family and stuff can do because you're not going to take the kids to the speakeasy very many times.
• 27:48
  Jeff Dziekan: Oh, contrary.
• 27:49
  Mike Marrs: Before you lose custody.
• 27:52
  Don Armstrong: There's that.
• 27:53
  Don Armstrong: Yeah, yeah, and you know, breweries are becoming fewer and fewer these days.
• 27:57
  Don Armstrong: So you want to might want to grab a tour of that before they all go away.
• 28:01
  Jeff Dziekan: You know, the breweries, the breweries are now kind of kid friendly because they've got all the games for the kids.
• 28:05
  Jeff Dziekan: They've got pickleball, they've got the cornhole, they've got all kinds of we want to work.
• 28:09
  Jeff Dziekan: The one thing that they don't have?
• 28:11
  Jeff Dziekan: Slits.
• 28:11
  Jeff Dziekan: No, no more slits.
• 28:12
  Jeff Dziekan: Uh that's a good thing.
• 28:14
  Don Armstrong: If you slits hit the fan, I'm telling you.
• 28:15
  Don Armstrong: Hey, time to take a break.
• 28:16
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• 29:56
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