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Have More Kids | Jerm Warfare Weekly Banter · UK Column Radio

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: My name is Jerm, this is Jerm Warfare, the battle
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  Speaker 1: of ideas.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man, it's nice to be back in the company
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: of both of you gents. Mike, it was very hard
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: work with just Charles.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. Well done. No veneer. The absolute truth. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't it, James?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding. It's easy. It's way too easy. Mike,
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  Speaker 2: I'll cut this out if you don't want me to
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: say so, but I know that you were in France
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  Speaker 2: and particularly in the South. And I was just saying
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  Speaker 2: a moment ago that I've also been to the South
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  Speaker 2: of France and I really, really enjoyed that part of France.
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  Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: France is a bit like England in some ways, in
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  Speaker 4: the sense that there's like a line you draw about
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  Speaker 4: halfway down when you're except you flip it. So, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the traditional view of the English is that they're warmer
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  Speaker 4: and friendlier in the north and a bit more standoffish
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  Speaker 4: and whatnot in the south. It's quite the opposite in France.
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  Speaker 4: Northern France is a lot more strict and a lot
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  Speaker 4: more conventional and the south is, and there's historic reasons
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  Speaker 4: for this. So, you know, we have a, a house
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  Speaker 4: that we've had in the south of France since early 2000s.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just a small place. It's not that exciting.
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  Speaker 4: So don't anybody think it's some kind of chateau or something.
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  Speaker 4: But no, we're just at the very southern end of
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  Speaker 4: the Massif Central. And that's just on the northern end
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  Speaker 4: of what would be considered Cathar country. And so there's
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  Speaker 4: a huge amount of history there. But as well as that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a very different attitude to life. And people
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  Speaker 4: in that part of France absolutely stick their fingers up
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  Speaker 4: much more strongly at bureaucracy and whatnot. And there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot more sort of community. So in the north, for example,
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  Speaker 4: farming is much more industrialized. And so if you want
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  Speaker 4: to buy food in the north, you got to go
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  Speaker 4: to a supermarket in the south. you, you just stop
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  Speaker 4: in at any farm and, and they'll sell you whatever
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  Speaker 4: you want. It is, it's sort of exact, exactly the
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  Speaker 4: way we would like to be doing things here in,
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  Speaker 4: in England, uh, in that sense. So, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: food is, is fantastic. The quality of the food is fantastic.
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  Speaker 4: It's mostly organic, uh, and, uh, uh, and it's not
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  Speaker 4: expensive relative to the UK either. Um, The only thing
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  Speaker 4: that I noticed that has really changed, because I haven't
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  Speaker 4: been there for quite a few years now, but the
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  Speaker 4: one thing that we did notice has changed significantly is
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  Speaker 4: the price of fuel. So France was, it was always,
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  Speaker 4: you know, quite a bit cheaper to drive in France
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  Speaker 4: than it was in the UK. That has changed and
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  Speaker 4: it's actually more expensive there now. But, you know, very,
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  Speaker 4: very warm, very, very dry. People were concerned about how
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  Speaker 4: dry things were because those mountains are very wooded and
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  Speaker 4: the woods basically come right up to your door, basically. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the concerns about fires were absolutely there. A
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  Speaker 4: couple of really significant thunderstorms. I mean, thunderstorms in that
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  Speaker 4: region are always good fun because you just don't get
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  Speaker 4: thunder like that in the UK. But the... I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I sent Charles a video clip of one of the
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  Speaker 4: thunderstorms that we had and actually that... I've never seen
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  Speaker 4: wind like it in that place, but actually about... about
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  Speaker 4: two hours south of that. There was a village just
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  Speaker 4: completely wiped out by a tornado on that same afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: So we drove past that on the way to one
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  Speaker 4: of our little trips that we took while we were there.
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  Speaker 4: We drove down to Rennes-le-Chateau. But yeah, fascinating. They had
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  Speaker 4: a very different experience of the whole COVID thing than
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  Speaker 4: the rest of us because it basically didn't affect people
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  Speaker 4: there at all much in terms of, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: French government had issued lockdown directives and whatnot, but mostly
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  Speaker 4: that didn't affect anyone.
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  Speaker 2: I found that to be the case here too, where
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  Speaker 2: you go more into the countryside, the more traditional sort
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  Speaker 2: of historical parts of a particular region, they seem to
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  Speaker 2: have exactly the same outlook as what you're describing. I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if that's perhaps just something that just is the case.
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  Speaker 2: And the closer you go to a city or the urbanization,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps the more compliant and obedient you become.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, there are
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  Speaker 4: a couple of big cities, Toulouse, Carcassonne, Narbonne, Béziers. I've
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  Speaker 4: never really spent any time in those cities, so I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't really know what they're like. I've been to Narbonne
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  Speaker 2: and Béziers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh, but as a tourist, you don't get a
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  Speaker 4: feeling of what, of what a place is really like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in terms of day to day life. So,
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  Speaker 4: so I can't, I can't say whether, uh, if you
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  Speaker 4: go to those cities, you start to see the, the
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  Speaker 4: sort of the strong bureaucracy, uh, affecting people's lives. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not sure, but, but, uh, fascinating. A lot of the,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the towns and villages around that part
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  Speaker 4: of France, they've turned the, uh, Because as you drive
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  Speaker 4: into a village or a town, they have signs naming
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  Speaker 4: the town. And then as you leave, they've got a
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  Speaker 4: sign with the town name on it and a line
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  Speaker 4: through it to show that you're leaving that sort of area.
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  Speaker 4: But they turn the signs upside down. And this is
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  Speaker 4: a sort of, I'm not sure whether it's a national campaign,
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  Speaker 4: but it's certainly a campaign in support of farming in France.
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  Speaker 4: And Charles disappeared.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like we've just lost Charles.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. I'm sure you'll be back in a second. So. Yes, Charles.
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  Speaker 4: You're back.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry. It was telling me I can't record.
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  Speaker 2: It told me that too.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Well, anyway, so, so, uh, yeah, fascinating, uh, to be
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  Speaker 4: back after, after a few years and just, uh, talk
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  Speaker 4: to people and see what their experiences have been over
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  Speaker 4: the last, uh, the last lot of time. But, but, uh, Obviously,
• 7:32
  Speaker 4: on the West Coast, they had those major fires, and
• 7:36
  Speaker 4: they've had fires right across the country. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: they are particularly blaming climate change for it, though.
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  Speaker 2: Mike, Charles is going to disappear again. I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you right now, he's going to vanish. You mentioned something
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  Speaker 2: about an Englishman. Do you consider yourself an Englishman?
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  Speaker 3: Me?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. I didn't mention....
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: You mentioned, in passing, you mentioned an Englishman, but you're
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  Speaker 2: not English, strictly speaking, right?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not English in any way, shape or form. Any
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  Speaker 4: Englishman would be feeling very hard done by if you're
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  Speaker 4: suggesting that I was English.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, I'm not sure what I said that you
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  Speaker 4: took that meaning from.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter. I just... The trigger was there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know British identity that well, so you must
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  Speaker 2: forgive me for asking. So you're British. You'll consider yourself British,
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  Speaker 2: but not English.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not British because I'm from Northern Ireland, which
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  Speaker 4: is not part of Britain. Northern Ireland is part of
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  Speaker 4: the United Kingdom. The three British nations are England, Scotland,
• 8:52
  Speaker 4: and Wales. So no, I can't consider myself British in
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  Speaker 4: that sense.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we need to stop here because Charles is going
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: to have an endless array of problems here. He's going
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: to disappear again. Let me tell you what's going on here, Charles,
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: if you can hear me. You need to clean your browsers,
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: cookies and cache. That's what I think is going on here.
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  Speaker 2: So go do that while Mike and I continue.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Charles, you could try opening a private window.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to win with the software, the private window.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it likes private windows. But anyway, Charles
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  Speaker 2: will disappear in a moment. I can see on my
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  Speaker 2: screen is telling me. Mike, let's continue. So I want
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: to obviously point out while you were away, Mike, and
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: we spoke about this on WhatsApp, but I'm going to
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: pretend that we didn't for the sake of this conversation.
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: I was very tired when Charles and I recorded last Monday.
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: And that is because my second son arrived on Wednesday. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the reason why I was tired on Monday was because
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  Speaker 2: my wife went into labor on Sunday. So she was
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  Speaker 2: in labor effectively for three days.
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  Speaker 4: That's a long time.
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  Speaker 2: That is not a joke.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the first thing you've got to say is congratulations,
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  Speaker 4: of course.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Three days is pretty hard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're part of the 202 club. which means that
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  Speaker 2: we've got two kids under the age of two, but
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  Speaker 2: just for maybe another week or so. No, we did
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  Speaker 2: the same.
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  Speaker 4: Did you?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, no, it's a good way to do things
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  Speaker 4: because they are close enough in age that they sort of,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they absolutely do everything together. And yeah, no,
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  Speaker 4: that works. Although you've got two boys, and I would
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  Speaker 4: imagine two boys that close together, that's going to be
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  Speaker 4: big trouble as they grow up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I won't have to pay for any weddings. No,
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: but what I was going to say is obviously it's
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: been a very philosophical week, obviously, you know, when stuff
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: like that happens and you have a child, you'll remember
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  Speaker 2: it's a very beautiful, magical moment. And a lot of
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: other things kind of go sort of race through your
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  Speaker 2: mind about life in general and how there's so much
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  Speaker 2: negativity and at the same time you're bringing in something
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  Speaker 2: so beautiful to the world for the next generation and
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  Speaker 2: so on. And for me, it's such a beacon of hope, kids.
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  Speaker 2: And I really want to encourage more people to have
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  Speaker 2: kids and not buy into the idea that the world
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  Speaker 2: is so dark, you know, that there's no future. Because
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  Speaker 2: you'll always hear this, but do you really want to
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  Speaker 2: bring kids into this? The answer is yes.
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  Speaker 4: Charles?
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  Speaker 2: You're trying to clear your cookies. You are recording because I've...
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  Speaker 2: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: Charles isn't recording.
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  Speaker 4: Ha ha.
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  Speaker 2: No, then there's no point in you talking, Charles.
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  Speaker 4: So, okay, Charles, you need to actually drop off, clear
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  Speaker 4: your cookies, and come back on again.
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  Speaker 2: If you're using Brave or Chrome, you need to go
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: to the settings and then go to, excuse me, I
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: think you go to privacy, one of the top options,
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  Speaker 2: privacy and whatever, and you'll see clear cache or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and just say clear everything.
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  Speaker 4: But you'll need to drop off to do that. Yeah, sorry,
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  Speaker 4: what were you saying there?
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  Speaker 2: I was just saying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the question of whether to bring children into the
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  Speaker 4: world or not. Well, look, the world, whatever future that
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: we have is going to be created by the next generation.
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: It's going to be created by us. We're going to
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  Speaker 4: leave the next generation a mess to sort out, but
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be the next generation that sorts that
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  Speaker 4: out or not. Now, If good people don't bring children
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  Speaker 4: into the world and bring them up well, then what
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  Speaker 4: is the future going to be for us all?
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, that's the thing, because if you don't
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  Speaker 2: bring children in, then you are quite literally feeding the
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  Speaker 2: transhumanist agenda. You know, they want depopulation. I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: is something we often talk about on my show, for example.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, I hear a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: saying this, that I'm not going to bring children into
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  Speaker 4: the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 4: Because it's such a horrible place. The world has horrible
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  Speaker 4: aspects to it, but it has real beauty to it
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  Speaker 4: as well. And it is possible to build a life. Now,
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  Speaker 4: of course, there are people existing in the world that
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: are mostly the people that are billionaire class or the
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  Speaker 4: people that operate at a political level that seem to
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  Speaker 4: be determined at the moment to destroy as much as
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  Speaker 4: they possibly can. But the question is, Jerem, how are
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  Speaker 4: you affected by that personally in your day-to-day life? You
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  Speaker 4: obviously have an awareness of the geopolitical aspect of it,
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  Speaker 4: but you are living somewhere that is relatively unaffected by that.
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  Speaker 4: South Africa, of course, has its own local problems, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that you're having any problem dealing with those.
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  Speaker 4: Those of us that choose to live in South West
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  Speaker 4: or the South of England, then perhaps have a different future. But,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the alternative is that we move away somewhere
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  Speaker 4: else and try to build a life somewhere else. There
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  Speaker 4: are plenty of other parts of the world that don't
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  Speaker 4: look like the West at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, that's the point. And I think what
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  Speaker 2: social media inadvertently does is that it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's inadvertent. No, I've got to push
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  Speaker 4: back on that. It's not inadvertent. It's not inadvertent. Social
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  Speaker 4: media is the platform designed to demoralize.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 4: But that's an intentional thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: What I was going to say is the internet, just
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  Speaker 2: as a construct, makes the world look very much smaller
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  Speaker 2: than what it is. You were just in the south
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  Speaker 2: of France and, you know, it's beautiful still. And as
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  Speaker 2: you were saying, you see a different side of people
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  Speaker 2: who you won't see on social media.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, Charles, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, very many congratulations and sorry about the
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: tech coincidence with really great news. It's sort of inevitable.
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  Speaker 3: But I think all these things are related, really, really
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  Speaker 3: very much related. And if we start with the, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the world's so grim, children shouldn't be brought
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  Speaker 3: into it. That is an extraordinary thing to say because
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  Speaker 3: it suggests a sort of blanket treatment. It means that
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  Speaker 3: you're looking at some bad things and putting that bad
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  Speaker 3: template on top of absolutely everything, which I don't think
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  Speaker 3: makes any sense at all. If, of course, by that,
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  Speaker 3: what you really mean is that you don't think the
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  Speaker 3: conditions of your life are the sort that a child
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  Speaker 3: should be brought into, well, then that's the driver for
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: changing that situation in order that you do put a
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  Speaker 3: child in a place where, you know, those years in
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  Speaker 3: the future, first of all, are going to be beneficial
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  Speaker 3: through education, upbringing and whatnot, but also so that the
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  Speaker 3: child can then have a positive influence on not just
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: their own life, but that of those around them. So
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  Speaker 3: I think you've got to look at the upward, the
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: sort of upward spiral element. And I think this relates
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  Speaker 3: very much to where the conversation started with talk about
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  Speaker 3: the south of France and this relationship between rural communities
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  Speaker 3: and for want of a better term, touch point, ignoring
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  Speaker 3: government edicts. And I think there is a very strong
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: relationship with that. And in fact, I've just recorded an interview,
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  Speaker 3: which I won't spoil by talking any more about. But
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  Speaker 3: the point in that, which was made very strongly, was
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  Speaker 3: that in doing away with the family farm, there is
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  Speaker 3: absolutely an ensuing loss of sovereignty, loss of culture, loss
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  Speaker 3: of unity. And I think it's no coincidence that, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: what you're talking about is in large part, a tapestry
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  Speaker 3: of small and strongly held plots of land, which do
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  Speaker 3: lead to people feeling like they're comfortable and confident living
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  Speaker 3: the life that they want to, and they don't want interference.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that has, I think absolutely that is
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  Speaker 3: identifiable through history. And, okay, I wasn't there. as I
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  Speaker 3: would always say, with any sort of historical reference. But
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  Speaker 3: I was just thinking back to Christianity being pushed out
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  Speaker 3: across the Roman Empire and where we sort of have
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  Speaker 3: a crossover between pagan and peasant and this idea that
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: paganism was the sort of preserve of the simple-minded. And
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: it was because, at least there is a version of
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: history that suggests that the the sort of urban elite
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  Speaker 3: that was pushing Christianity out across the Roman Empire was
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  Speaker 3: being resisted in the countryside where they had their own beliefs.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks very much. They knew what they were doing. And
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  Speaker 3: therefore there was the supposed sort of demonization or idiotization,
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  Speaker 3: if that's a word, and if it wasn't, it is now,
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  Speaker 3: of those people. And I think we absolutely see that today.
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  Speaker 3: You see places where people have been pushed off the
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  Speaker 3: land and you get these sort of, certainly in England specifically,
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  Speaker 3: where land ownership has gone into effectively corporate hands, and
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  Speaker 3: you just see these sort of settlement, sorry, dormitory settlements
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  Speaker 3: kind of dotted around the place where people are not
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  Speaker 3: connected at all with where they live. That is physically
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: where they, the sort of the space they occupy, but
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  Speaker 3: they're not, you know, they don't have those connections into
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: either local businesses or local landowning, farming, food production. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I think, Jerm, to your point, that is absolutely where
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  Speaker 3: compliance goes up through the roof. People are completely locked
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  Speaker 3: into receiving from social media, from mainstream, whatever, and they
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: will follow the trends they're supposed to follow. They will
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: buy the cars they're supposed to buy, all those sorts
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  Speaker 3: of things. I think this is a really important point.
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  Speaker 3: And so to relate that back to the birth of
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: a new child, I think you can see from this
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  Speaker 3: sort of thing, you can see, right, well, that's an
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  Speaker 3: environment that suggests that we would thrive, that therefore that
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  Speaker 3: is where we should be.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and obviously, as Mike pointed out, the next generation
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  Speaker 2: can change things for the better. It's not a downward spiral.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed.
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  Speaker 2: Necessarily.
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  Speaker 4: It becomes a downward spiral when people become demoralized. But
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: there's the old saying that you manifest your own reality.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: And this is because the way we think affects the
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: way we behave. The way we behave affects the environment
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: around us. It affects the people that are around us. And,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: you know, okay, the UK column has been accused of
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: being constantly negative and whatnot because we're reporting what is
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: being done. But, you know, none of us has a
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: negative view of the world, the capability of the world,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: let's put it that way. We all view humanity in
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: a very positive way. And I think we have no
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: doubt that humanity human beings are capable of building, um,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: societies or lives for themselves, which are, which are worth living. And, uh,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: you know, we don't want people to focus on the,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: on the negatives. People need to be aware of what's
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: going on. But, uh, uh, I think, uh, whatever future
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: we have as, as a, as a society or as
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: a group of people that, that is for us to build.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: And if, if we, allow ourselves to just believe this
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: notion that there's nothing we can do about what's going
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: on around us, then, of course, things aren't going to
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: end terribly well. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: bring children into that and encourage them to think in
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: a much more positive way.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, the last few days have
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: been very sort of existential for me. And, you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I got back into writing in my journal again, which
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: is a great way, by the way, to get off
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the screen for those who are finding or trying to
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: find ways to, you know, doom scroll less. You know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: writing in a journal. And this is not a new thing,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: by the way. Marcus Aurelius did it. And I was
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: wondering a few days ago, I was thinking about him,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Marcus Aurelius. I mean, he was one of the the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: good emperors, so to speak, quote unquote. And he was
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: living in a time of war, years and years and
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: years away from home, right? And he wrote about this. Now,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: he could have been thinking, do I really want to
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: bring kids into this? We're just constantly fighting and it's
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: just blood everywhere. And I wonder, you know, if this
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: idea of do we want to bring kids into this
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: is just a perpetual thousand-year-old idea kind of brain worm
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that always takes hold when we focus only on the darkness.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Yes. I mean, I would have to get along with that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I was only going to say that I think.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a new thing. That's kind of
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to suggest.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: No, it's not. But then the way... I haven't read
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: any of Marcus Aurelius' journals. I mean, is he suggesting
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: that he was demoralized to a certain extent by the bloodshed?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Well, no. I mean, it was quite intentional, wasn't it? No,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't because of him. He just came into it,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: if that makes sense. What he wrote, and this goes
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: into the realm of history, so I might get some
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: of this wrong, but what he basically wrote was what
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: he was experiencing, which are I think is the importance
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: of journaling also, by the way, just to get your
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: thoughts out and to, you know, just to express something
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: so that you don't internalize everything, which I think is
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: a very good thing. But he was, he was also
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: wondering about the future. And that was like almost 2000
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: years ago. And I know that my own grandparents were
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: wondering about the future. Of course they were living now
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: during apartheid. So like, Oh, what is the future of
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: this country? Like every generation seems to have a similar
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: kind of plight. You know what I mean?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. And also fall into a, well, it's
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: such a difficult one, isn't it? Fall into what is
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: a trap or is it a trap of thinking, well,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: you know, this really is a disaster. You know, the
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: current generation or the young generation, they're just, you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: they are getting it wrong. They're not, you know, they
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: don't do the stuff we did. They've sort of, they've
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: lost the plot. and never really being sure if that
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: is quite the right line to take. I don't know.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's very easy to look at the very,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: very significant changes that certainly Western or developed societies have
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: gone through in the last 20 to 30 years and
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: look at younger people now in general and think, oh gosh, yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: this is really not turning out so well. Although I
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: did have a very heartening experience um engagement did i
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: i sorry i cannot remember whether i said this to
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: you german we're recording last week did i tell you
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: about the person i sat next to on the train.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember what we spoke about good well let's.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Hope no one else does either because uh i i
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: was on a long train journey and um it was
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: just a it was a really nice reminder of the
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: fact that to do the sort of broad brush, whatever
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: they're called, the sort of 20-something-year-old people now. They're such flakes.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: They're just, you know, what are they good for? And
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: then a girl sat next to me on a train
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, and just, well, first of all,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: she didn't have a mobile telephone in her hand. She
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: didn't have things in her ears. She immediately engaged me
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: in conversation and said, looked me well I mean we're
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: sitting next to each other slightly awkward but what you
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: know she would look me in the eye and she
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: can only I mean I think she was only early
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: 20s I think she was just out of university and
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: just started her first job which which was in itself
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: quite interesting because it was about sort of big infrastructure
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: projects but that that's the one side but but she
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: she because I was reading a book so she's actually
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I'd say slightly annoying if you're trying to read a
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: book that someone starts asking you about that book but
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: that that's not the point of telling this tale at
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: all because that would be really unfair on her but
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: but she did she immediately started asking about that and
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: talking about culture and theatre and film and you know
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: this that and the other but it was in it
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: was in a way that was um very much uh
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: considered and it wasn't at all i didn't get the
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: impression at all that she was simply a follower of
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: mainstream culture but it was really the way in which
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: all this was expressed which was in very very sort
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: of uh sincere and positive tones and I was just
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I was very impressed because for every one of her
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: it is very easy to have your eye drawn towards
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: people who are absolutely not behaving like that at all
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: and your heart does somewhat sink and you think oh
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: god you know what what hope What hope for this generation?
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was almost as though, given my views,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: that she was a plant. And somebody said, look, just
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: go down and sit next to this guy and just
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: make sure that you have a really positive conversation with
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: him because he will then come away thinking, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: that all is well. Which, of course, I don't think
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: can realistically be the case if anyone knows anything about
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: how the cross-country train seat booking service works. But, yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: it was great. It was really... It was very heartening.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: And of course, there are lots of people out there,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: but I think it's not so usual to have those
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: kinds of completely chance interactions. But I felt that was
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: a really great thing to experience.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I just want to add to that because the house
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: that we have in France, small house in a little
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: village in the hills, in the mountains, and there's about
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: five or six other houses there. Um, and, uh, it has,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: you know, been extremely quiet there for quite a long
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: time and, and people didn't really do very much. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: then in the last two years, um, a younger guy has,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: has moved in and now they've, they've, well, they built
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: a summer garden with, with, and they've effectively grown enough
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: food for the entire, for everybody that lives there permanently for,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: for the coming year. He's just building a winter garden
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: at the moment, or he was just starting to build
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: that as we were leaving. And he's, you know, one
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: person has brought an energy into that community that just
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: was not there before. And it's quite incredible. It just
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: takes one person to uh, come into a group of
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: people and, and completely change the dynamic. So we should
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: never be afraid, I think, to bring children into the
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: world because, uh, you don't know what you're going to get. And,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: and if that, that person has, is making a, that
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: one person is making a huge difference to, to the
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: lives of, of another half dozen people that, that, uh,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: just by the fact that he has this energy and,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: and this willingness to help and, uh, and an enthusiasm
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: for what he's doing. And one thing he did while
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: we were there was he built a kitchen table for
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: his sister. And so I was having a chat to
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: him about how he did that. And, of course, he said, well,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: my preference is to use hand tools. And this is brilliant,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, because this is someone who's just– taking
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: every opportunity to learn skills and help the people around
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: them with those skills. And this is the kind of
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: thing we need to see much more of.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's also what I was hinting at,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: is that if you only look for the negative, the bad,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: then that's all you're going to see. There is a
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: lot of good. I mean, there are rainbows, you know,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: and there are waterfalls, and there is a lot of
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: beauty around us. But I think it is, And I
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: think for all these warts, Jordan Peterson did say a
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: few accurate things once upon a time. And one of
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: those things is that the dichotomy between good and bad
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: is actually desirable for us to get anywhere. If everything
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: was just all rainbows and unicorns, we'd become lazy and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: complacent and we wouldn't want to do anything because everything
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: is rainbows and unicorns. It's those bad things that constantly
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: happen around us that should. trigger a desire to improve
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and to make things better. You know what I mean?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: So like, in other words, if there's a broken wall
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: against your house or whatever, or the cupboard is cracked
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: or something, that is a negative thing. And that then
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: inspires you to go and fix it. But if everything
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: were just good, you'd ultimately just be a useless eater.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I think we're experiencing that to some degree now.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: in the world at the moment because, because the post
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: second world war, um, life for the majority of people
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: has been good. And, uh, certainly my parents' generation had
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: it pretty good. Um, and, uh, we're seeing the results
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: of that because they became fat and lazy effectively. I mean,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: not literally in all cases, but in, in many cases,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: people have become fat and lazy. And that's when we
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: start seeing the types of, uh, outcomes that we're seeing
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: at the moment so you know hopefully that's what we're
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: going to see and then assuming we get through the
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: next 20 years uh we're going to see people motivated
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: to uh to sort these issues.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Out motivated that's the word i was looking for.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I think there's no better demonstration of that of what
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: of what you're talking about and by the way i
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: love the story about the chap making his table and
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: doing that and i completely agree mike you know it's
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: a point very very much worth making is how how
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: few people can influence really radically an entire sort of
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: bigger picture situation i think that's always something worth bearing
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: in mind but um but no i mean there's no
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: greater illustration of the way in which people were derailed
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: by thinking of what i would say the vast majority
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: of british farmers started to do which was to not
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: eat their own produce So people who were even farming
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: livestock would go and buy cuts of meat in a
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: supermarket because it was perceived to be more convenient and cheaper.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: And therefore it was something worth doing rather than thinking
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: that you're confident that you're producing the best possible produce
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: anywhere and that therefore that's what you would want to eat.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: And if you consider it to be a little bit
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: more inconvenient, well, so be it. But that is by
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: and large what happens. Farmers themselves went to shop in supermarkets.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Just when you say that, especially now looking at what
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: that really means, it is quite the most extraordinary thing.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: On Saturday, we had a very, very, very big rugby
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: game here in Cape Town. I don't know if you
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: guys watch any sports. I do watch just a little
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: bit of rugby from time to time because I do
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: love the bread and circuses for two hours, you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: now and then. And the reason why I'm bringing it up,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and there's a long segue here, but the short version
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: is that the airplanes that flew over the stadium, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: don't know if you've seen, but it is dominating every
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: single international mainstream outlet from CNN, to Fox, to everything.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: You can't miss it. We have a tradition in South
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Africa when it comes to rugby that we have what's
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: called a fly-by or a fly-over where aeroplanes will fly
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: very low over the stadium at the start of a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: big game. And there was a big game that happened
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: on Saturday. It was Springboks versus the All Blacks, the
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: two strongest rugby nations in the world. And the planes
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: flew particularly low, I think about 10 or 15 metres
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: above the stadium, literally going through the fireworks. And this
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: of course is upset the whole world because they, they, a,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: they thought it was random when it was part of a,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: of a tradition that's 30 years old. Um, but B
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it was obviously very, very planned and scheduled. And it's
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: very impressive. Uh, when you're in the stadium and you
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: see those planes right above you like that. Uh, I
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: forgot where my segue was going now.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Damn it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I was going somewhere with this. I did say it
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: was a long segue. Uh, Where was I going with this?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: The outrage culture, I think, is where I was going.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: And looking for negativity and pessimism. Now, for what it's worth, yes,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: obviously there's a risk and the planes can crash into
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the stadium. I get that. But they didn't and they've
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: been doing it for decades. But there is also a beauty.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: And I find it so disheartening sometimes when anything that
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: is positive gets tainted with this black brush. And Matthew
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Erritt spoke about this on my show a couple of
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: weeks ago. I don't know if you listened to that
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: conversation where he jokingly said when Xi Jinping became Adolf Hitler.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: And he was talking about how if you want, you
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: can literally cast negativity on any single event or any
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: single person who's ever lived or what's going on, right?
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So in other words, you can think of even Jesus, right,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: or Muhammad or some religious figure, and you can turn
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: them into a negative figure. And the point that he
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: was making is that you have to at some point
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: allow for the humanness to come through that sometimes people
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: can actually enjoy something. And sometimes people can actually say
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: or do good things while at the same time also
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: doing or saying bad things. There is that, it's a dichotomy,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: it's a nuance, which unfortunately I think has been amplified
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: by social media in the wrong direction where everything has
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: become binary. It's either or. And as such, all three
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: of us, for example, can be painted with controlled opposition brushes.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: That's the argument that Matthew was making. And it's a
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: very bad place to be for society, I think. And
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: social media is what he was arguing has amplified that immensely.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's also a lot to do with the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: obsession with this sort of cult of personality. You have
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: to pick the person, not the action. So, you know,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: we talked last week, didn't we? I do remember now.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about, or at least he
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: came up in passing, Andrew Tate. And it's as though
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: the idea is, oh, well, You know, Andrew Tate, yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: I like Andrew Tate, therefore I like everything he does.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Or I don't like Andrew Tate, therefore I don't like
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: anything he does. Absolutely, completely ridiculous. Why do people... Why
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: would a brain operate like that? You just look at
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the thing that the person does and you think, well,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: that doesn't seem to be a very nice or kind
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: thing to do, whereas that does. And I think... Well,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there'd be many, many reasons for it,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: but social media has... created this idea that above all else,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: it's personality. It is the person and not the action.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: It's basically things just not being judged on their own
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: merits and people apparently not realizing that that's the sort
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: of trap they've fallen into. It's absolutely bizarre.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've often spoken about that false dichotomy, the
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: false binary, the fake dichotomy. where everything is black or white,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: one or zero, and there's no nuance in between. And
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: that does relate to the beginning of the conversation, because
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: the world is not only zero, or the world is
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: not only one, you know what I mean? There's a
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: whole series of of numbers in between zero and one?
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Arthur?
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Like what? Yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Well, zero, comma, zero, comma, whatever.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, not comma.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Decimals.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. No, no, I know.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, for example, okay, so for example, France.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Let's look at France, okay? So the south of France
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: is in many ways, I think, more appealing than the
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: north of France. I don't know anything about the UK.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I've never been, so I can't comment. But I've been
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: to France. I can say in South Africa, most of
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: our cities are terrible.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I know where you're going with this. It's the blanket thing.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: It's exactly like the, well, we've seen one bad thing there,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: so the whole world is bad. We don't want to
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: bring children into it. Yeah, I completely agree. But I
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: think the way in which that has turned out with
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: regard to the actions that people make is that that
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: action is hung around the neck of that person. And
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: then therefore, like I've just said, everything that they do
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: then becomes either good or bad because we have a
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: good or bad view of them. Which is why I
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: suppose sort of characters like Tony Blair are so extraordinary
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: in this day and age, because despite the fact he
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: is regarded by, I mean, really, I think pretty much everybody,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: at least implicitly as a war criminal. And yet when
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: he starts talking about the future of either the Labour
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Party or the future of digital identity, people seem to
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: sit up and pay attention. It is very discombobulating.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I just want to jump in quickly and say that
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: not everything either needs to be nuanced because that in
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: itself is a binary way of thinking. That's a logical inconsistency.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: So obviously, if you want to be logically consistent, you
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: can assume some things are binary and some things are not.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Well, Tony Blair, I think, is a great example of
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: binary because that's an example of true evil and there's
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: apparently no good in the man. So, you know.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I think the same can apply to Bill Gates or
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Klaus Schwab. Probably.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and yet, you know, there are plenty of people
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: who do follow Klaus. some of their pursuits and absolutely
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: are convinced that they are doing so much good for
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the world that it's sort of hard to believe. You know,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: that's not just that they've got a good PR engine.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: They really do fire the sort of positive juices for
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of people. It is absolutely a fact.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I want to just take the last few minutes of
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: this conversation. Hang on. Excuse me. I've still got a
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: bit of a tail end of a head cold. I
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: want to focus on the event, the 20th anniversary event,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: because this is a great binary. In a world of darkness,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: here is a great bastion of hope, Plymouth.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Clement there's a bastion of hope is it well it's.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Gotta be there we go more specifically it should.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Be more specifically the weekend yeah more specifically the weekend
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: of the 17th of september.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Yes yes and actually i was going to interject that
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: earlier but i thought you might bring 18th by the
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: way um yes it is terrific and i think uh
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: going back to the point about you know, that Mike
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: was saying at UK Column O, you know, we do
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: get accused of being too negative about things and this,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: that and the other. I think anyone who is of
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: that view and hasn't been to UK Column event before
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: will just be amazed at that feeling of overwhelming sort
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: of joy and positivity that is in the room, in
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: the space. And Jeremy, I'm really looking forward to you
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: witnessing that at first hand because everybody's there because they
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: know exactly what it is that we do and so
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: there are a lot of things that people know about
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: that frankly the majority of the population doesn't and yet
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: when you put them in the same place people are
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: just universally full of love and warmth and happiness and
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I would say positivity so there is all of that
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: to look forward to but obviously so much.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: More So a number of people have asked me if
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: they can watch the event online.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: And you hopefully said, yes, of course, you go to
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: the UK column shop and you buy a ticket to
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: the live stream. Is that what you said? Yes. Yes,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: well done.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: You did say that.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: And what I didn't say, because I don't know, is
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: can it be watched after the fact?
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Ah, well, how lucky that you asked that. We're off
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: that too. Yes, you can. Either if you turn up
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: in person or if you buy a ticket to the
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: live stream, you have access to the recorded version afterwards
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: and you can watch it as many times as you like. So, yes.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you can watch it live and after the fact.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you have a ticket for the live stream,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: you don't actually even have to watch it live, as
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: it were. You can just secure that ticket in order
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: to be able to watch it later. The only thing
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I would say to anyone listening in, That doesn't mean
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: that you can list that, you know, if you can't
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: tune in on the Friday, that you can just watch
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: it on the Friday evening because it'll take a while
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: for all the videos to be completed before they then
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: get uploaded, if that's the right word. So you won't
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: have access to the recorded version for a few days.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you don't have to be able to watch
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: it live to benefit from the live stream ticket.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I'm extremely excited about being there. So it was a
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: little bit up in the air whether or not I
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: was going to be there because of the birth of
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: my child, but he came a bit early. And now
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: everything is lined up quite nicely. But there are going
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: to be a bunch of great people there.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are. In fact, quite a large bunch.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: And you guys will be there too.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good one. Gosh, having a second child really has
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: sharpened your wit, hasn't it? Yeah, we will be there too. Yeah,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: and we are much looking forward to it. It is
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: very exciting. I mean, it's sort of bizarre in a
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: way because we first mentioned this at the last event
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: we held, which was in York in October last year.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: So it is quite amazing how that time passes in
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: terms of being able to track it through getting ready
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: for an event and then suddenly... It is absolutely on
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: the very near horizon. But yeah, terrifically exciting.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: So Patrick will be there, if I'm correct?
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Carl.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: And Carl.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Going to bring down the house.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: And of course, many others.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: And many others, yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, go on, Mike. I was just going to say
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: Marcel will be there as well.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't have mentioned that.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Because we're going to get the termites coming out of
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: the woodwork.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: I think that will be very good. They can buy
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: a ticket and come and meet him.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Come and speak to the controlled opposition controllers themselves. Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: But that's also the thing.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: It's going to be great. It's good mixture because it's
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: good sort of UK column pedigree across the 20-year period
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: and a good number of sort of, I don't know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: external speakers from different places, which I think is a
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: really good blend. I'm just really looking forward to listening
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: to what everybody has to say. Yeah, it is going
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: to be fantastic.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Does anybody know what they have to say yet?
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Everyone knows.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Do they? Okay.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: They do, yes.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Well, thankfully, I don't have to say much. I'm asking
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: you guys questions.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: In fact, we're going to talk about that later, Jim.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: So stand by.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: But yes, no, it's going to be very, very exciting.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: And so this is the kind of thing that I think,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: not just you, Colm, but I think the world needs
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: more of. This sits at the core of a lot
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: of what I talk about on my show. It is
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: not just ideas. But it's the expansion of those ideas
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: into reality. It's building not just friendships but communities. This
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: is a community. And it's a global community because you
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: have people who have become friends who are in very,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: very far-flung parts of the world thanks to common denominators
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: that might have occurred a few years ago and, of course,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: from before that. This is the thing that Klaus Schwab
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: has openly said he doesn't like. He wants us to
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: just be behind a screen, for example. And it's a
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: really wonderful dynamic when you see a person on the
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: screen and then you see them in real life. And
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: it's so different because the thing that you would say
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: online are often not the same things as you would
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: say in person. And so the sense of humanity comes
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: back when you are engaging with people right next to
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: you in real life. You know, being locked down and
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: being forced to stay in your home disconnects you from that.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: No, I think living a digital life disconnects you from
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: other people very successfully. And I think that's, you know,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: obviously the column began as a physical newspaper. We then
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: moved to producing video content. We always had a website,
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: of course. But as everybody will know, in the last
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: couple of years, we have moved back into doing much
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: more analog stuff. So the on location events, um, and
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: now the magazine as well, because one of the things
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: that we absolutely want to do is to encourage people to, um,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: on one hand, uh, meet physically and talk to each
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: other physically, but also hold physical product and, and, uh,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: and read, read from a physical page rather than reading
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: from a computer screen. And, you know, it's a different
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: way of reading and a different way of consuming content,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: which is something I think we need to encourage people
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: to do much more of.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. In actual fact, as I mentioned earlier about, you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: writing in a journal, I don't wear a watch, but
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I've got watches in my cupboard. And I think I'm
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: going to now, I said to my wife this morning,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I'm going to start wearing a watch again. Because what
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: happens is that you become lazy. You look at your
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: phone for the time. And I don't want to do that.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I want to rather look at an actual watch because
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: there aren't any apps. And when I say a watch,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I don't mean an Apple watch or anything like that.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, just an old school watch, you know, with
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: little arms in it. You remember those once upon a time, just,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: just one, one quote unquote device away from the cell
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: phone and, and, and writing in a journal, not typing
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: on a, on a journal app, but writing on paper.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: And writing in cursive, for example, because it's intentional and
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: you're thinking about what you're doing. And these are things
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: that just get those wires reconnected in your brain so
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: that you are more human again. It sounds stupid when
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I say it out loud.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think it sounds stupid at all.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's stupid. I think what sounds stupid
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: is that people were ever convinced to move away from
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: that in the first place. Yes. the fact that it
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: wasn't immediately obvious.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: To so many people. Charles, sorry for interrupting, but when
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I was at the hospital last week, my wife had
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: to go to the hospital. I mentioned to you guys
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: before we were recording that she had a very complicated pregnancy.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: And as you now know, he came early, quite a
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: few weeks early. And I was walking down the passages
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: quite often. And more often than not, you would see
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: people just walking, but they're not looking forward where they're walking.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: They're looking at the, they're walking while holding the screen.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? They're looking down like that.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: So that's, that's, that's now the profile of the, of
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the person.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes. Well, well, you know, there we go. That, that,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: that's straight back into our, well, you know, that's what
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: it's like. Terrible, terrible world to bring children into. That's,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: that's reality. Well, I mean, that is reality for some people, sadly, but,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: but absolutely not for everybody. And it's a choice. You
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: don't have to do it. And I would say, Life
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: is much better if you don't. Ironically, on the sort
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: of physiological side of it, it's very bad for you.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: So the chances are that those people in a couple
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: of decades' time will all be back there for completely
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: different reasons because their heads would have almost fallen off.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I was just reminded now of that. You know that
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: famous image of the evolution of man where it starts
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: with that ape and he gradually becomes more upright? There's
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: a cartoon in there somewhere with the final one bending
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: over again and looking at the phone.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Exactly so, yeah. But with none of the skills that
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: the previous iterations have.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so just as a reminder, ukcolumn.org is where tickets
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: will be available. I'm pushing this. I just want to
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: point out you guys didn't prime me. I just want
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: to promote it.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I will. Absolutely reinforce that. You didn't prompt us,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: but it's very much worth saying. No, it's, I think.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Are there tickets available still, by the way?
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: That is something I haven't checked. I think there are
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: a handful, yes. So, yes, I mean, for anyone who
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: has a change or gap and is able to actually
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: get to Plymouth, then clearly we would be very pleased
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: to see you. So, yes, I think there are still
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: a few physical tickets available. But just going back to
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: where things started and the fact of it is that
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: we are there to acknowledge 20 years of UK column.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: And I think that is very significant because of where
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: and why it started and the analogue quality at the
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: beginning and going back into that realm now. But also
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: just to think back to... 20 years ago and how
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: some things were and how much of that has changed now.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: I think, I mean, you know, there's a lot to consider.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: So I think it's quite right that we do that
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: over the course of three days. It's great. I think
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: our one day events have been absolutely brilliant and I
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: guess we'll do more of those, but it's a lot
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: crammed into, it's a lot to fit into a day,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: but to have the chance to, you know, have a
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: couple of evenings together and just sort of decompress what
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: has been dealt with during the day i think will
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: make it feel it really feel distinctly different.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: I've got a funny feeling though that there'll be uh
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: more tickets available now that i've said that i'm coming
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: uh people are going to be asking for refunds oh
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: no no jim's going ah i'm not going but uh
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: jokes aside uh this is a tough crowd um If
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I can fly from half way around the world, then
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you can from wherever you are go to Plymouth.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. There we go. That's true. Absolutely. People need to
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: back up, don't they?
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: But I'm not flying British Airways. I just want you
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: to know because they're too expensive. So who are you flying?
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I'm flying KLM, baby. The Dutch have come to my rescue.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: So you're flying for a skip all, are you?
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: British Airways is just too expensive. It's almost, I'm trying
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: to do the conversion, 500, 600 pounds more expensive than KLM.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure why it would be. Do they
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: have better food?
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I've flown KLM and they're fine.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine they'd have 500 pounds worth of food better.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's only so much you can put down
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: to food.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that what you get on an airplane
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: is food anyway, but anyway, that's a lot of conversation.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it is.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Emirates, Emirates is also cheaper, but I don't really want
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: to fly to Dubai. That layover is too long.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: So, so skip all it is.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Well, skip all is pretty easy.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: And it's close. I think it's like an hour and
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: a half away from London.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if it's even that long. I wouldn't
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: think so.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hmm.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Just a hop, skip and a jump. But yeah, I mean,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: my point is if I can fly half around the
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: world to Plymouth, then you can come from wherever you
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: are and come to the event, damn it.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, no, let's, you know, we mustn't do people down.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: In fairness, I know that there will be people who've
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: come in from at least as far. And we have
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: had that. We've experienced that as all of the previous events.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: And it is amazing. I mean, I must say that
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: is pretty incredible. Okay, obviously, there's plenty that one can,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: roll into a visit to the UK. It doesn't just
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: have to be to go straight in and straight back out.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: But people do, people really do travel for these sorts
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: of things. And I might say quite right too, because
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: it is worth it. And I think you will find
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: it to be completely worth it.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Somebody on X got really, really upset at the fact
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: that I said I'm coming to the UK. They don't
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: obviously like me or my work. So they tagged the
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: UK government and they said, please investigate this guy. He's
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: a strong supporter of Tommy Robertson.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: What?
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever mentioned him on my show, ever.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Well, you just have.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Until now. There you go.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Until now. There we go.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: You've fallen straight into their trap.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Strong support of Tommy Robertson. I've been accused of a
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: lot of things, but that's one of the more creative ones.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, you'll enjoy this exercise. or so at
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: the airport as you get interrogated. I shouldn't.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: I look a bit Arabic. I should be letting with
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: no problems.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: By the way, the British.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: A consulate here is quite good. Very, very efficient. They
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: were pretty good. I had a good experience with them.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Certainly more efficient than the U.S. consulate, which is, by
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: the way, typically U.S. If you can imagine what a U.S.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: consulate would be in another country, yeah, it's that. It
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: is very, very proudly American with their flags, and it's
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: on the side of the mountain with the best view
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: of the city. huge amounts of security, even more security
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  Speaker 2: than the airport. And then they've got CNN playing everywhere,
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  Speaker 2: and it's actually ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think ridiculous is exactly the right word. And
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  Speaker 3: as you say, it's the same everywhere. I don't really
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  Speaker 3: know how they take themselves seriously, to be honest, but
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: somehow they do.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: So when do you actually arrive, Jarm?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I'm arriving the day before
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  Speaker 2: the event. I think on the 17th.
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  Speaker 4: And then you're going to do something afterwards?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm going to be in London for a few
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  Speaker 2: days after the event. It's not a very long event
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  Speaker 2: because I have a child waiting for me and a
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: wife with two kids. So I don't want to leave
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: her on her own for too long.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe we want to encourage people to get together in
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  Speaker 4: London or something and buy.
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  Speaker 2: You a drink. Yeah, contact me. Drop me a line.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Mike, you wanted to say something?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: There was a smirk on your face.
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  Speaker 4: Just be interested to see the aftermath of a few
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  Speaker 4: people getting together to buy you a drink. But maybe
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: we'll see that. Maybe we'll see that in Plymouth. We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I look forward to our more serious chat next week.
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  Speaker 2: Mike and Charles, thanks for joining us.